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[01:00.000 --> 01:12.000]  Okay, howdy, howdy, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio. On this Thursday, the seventh
[01:12.000 --> 01:26.000]  of May, 2020, and Brett is a problem. Brett has no respect, has no regard for these poor,
[01:26.000 --> 01:34.000]  illegal, misunderstood public officials. Brett, what have you been up to?
[01:34.000 --> 01:42.000]  Well, you know, with all of this talk about virus this and virus that, some of these judges
[01:42.000 --> 01:50.000]  in our counties and some of our mayors and municipalities, they have really started to
[01:50.000 --> 01:55.000]  get the big head. I don't know if you've noticed, Randy, but they've been issuing a lot of orders
[01:55.000 --> 02:00.000]  that they don't have any authority to issue. They're telling people that they invented crimes about
[02:00.000 --> 02:06.000]  if you don't wear a mask, or if you're not back home by a certain time of day, or if you're,
[02:06.000 --> 02:13.000]  you don't maintain a certain distance from other human beings. Why? That's a crime, and they're going to punish
[02:13.000 --> 02:18.000]  you by sticking you in jail for six months, or charging you a thousand dollars, or both.
[02:18.000 --> 02:27.000]  Or if you don't apologize to them and grovel and crawl around on your belly, they'll put you in jail for seven days.
[02:27.000 --> 02:36.000]  So these, I mean, those kinds of punishments, isn't that like class A misdemeanor level?
[02:36.000 --> 02:40.000]  That sounds like class A misdemeanor to me, right? Six months in jail.
[02:40.000 --> 02:47.000]  Yeah, that sounds like exerting or purporting to exerting authority they do not expressly have
[02:47.000 --> 02:52.000]  in the process denying citizens full pre-access to enjoyment right.
[02:52.000 --> 03:04.000]  Yeah, so fortunately for us, we've got, in this past week, we've got Texas Governor Greg Abbott
[03:04.000 --> 03:14.000]  and U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr both giving us some really good comments about that.
[03:14.000 --> 03:20.000]  Texas Governor Greg Abbott came out clarifying, he said,
[03:20.000 --> 03:26.000]  we strongly recommend that everyone wear a mask. However, it's not a mandate.
[03:26.000 --> 03:37.000]  And we make clear that no jurisdiction can impose any type of penalty or fine for anyone not wearing a mask.
[03:37.000 --> 03:46.000]  Everyone should be encouraged, but by my executive order, it supersedes local orders with regard to any type of fine or penalty
[03:46.000 --> 03:51.000]  for anyone not wearing a mask. I thought that was really great.
[03:51.000 --> 03:56.000]  He put it out there for no confusion.
[03:56.000 --> 04:02.000]  It sounds like they're beginning to see the writing on the wall.
[04:02.000 --> 04:08.000]  Yes. Well, I put in a few records requests and I don't know.
[04:08.000 --> 04:14.000]  I know that some other people have been, you know, pushing back on this kind of thing too.
[04:14.000 --> 04:19.000]  I'm sure that they're feeling some level of heat from that.
[04:19.000 --> 04:23.000]  But it's great. Governor Abbott came out and he said,
[04:23.000 --> 04:32.000]  quote, no jurisdiction can impose any type of penalty or fine for anyone not wearing a mask.
[04:32.000 --> 04:37.000]  He didn't come out and clearly say, we don't have jurisdiction to do that anyway.
[04:37.000 --> 04:44.000]  He didn't say that. Obviously, it's connected to anything that is state licensed.
[04:44.000 --> 04:49.000]  You have a business, you have a license to operate.
[04:49.000 --> 04:54.000]  So they can set up whatever rules they want. Yes, you can operate.
[04:54.000 --> 04:59.000]  You know, you can only do drive through things like that. Of course, that's businesses.
[04:59.000 --> 05:02.000]  But then we, the people are the masters of those servants.
[05:02.000 --> 05:12.000]  So how are they going to turn around and tell us that we have what we're going to have to wear and how many days we're going to sit in jail if we don't wear it?
[05:12.000 --> 05:26.000]  Just for the record, you heard about this woman in Dallas that stood up to the court and the court told her that if you will grovel and crawl up to me on your belly and apologize to me, I won't put you in jail.
[05:26.000 --> 05:30.000]  Wow. She told him go scratch. Good.
[05:30.000 --> 05:33.000]  They put her in jail.
[05:33.000 --> 05:48.000]  The governor came out and condemned it. Attorney General came out and condemned it. The Supreme Court forbade it and ordered the court to have her out of jail by the end of the day.
[05:48.000 --> 05:51.000]  So she's out. Wonderful.
[05:51.000 --> 05:56.000]  I'm going to file criminal charges against the judge with the Attorney General.
[05:56.000 --> 05:57.000]  There you go.
[05:57.000 --> 06:01.000]  Let's see if he meant it.
[06:01.000 --> 06:04.000]  He wants to grovel, give him a chance to.
[06:04.000 --> 06:23.000]  It cannot be lost on this judge that the governor, the county commissioners court, no one had the power to interfere with your right to work.
[06:23.000 --> 06:24.000]  Right.
[06:24.000 --> 06:33.000]  Work is a property right and it can't be taken without due process. And that's what they were trying to do.
[06:33.000 --> 06:47.000]  So I'll maintain that the judge, no matter what the governor said, no matter what the president may have said, no matter what the anyone may have said other than the legislature.
[06:47.000 --> 06:50.000]  By passing new law.
[06:50.000 --> 06:56.000]  He was bound to follow the law that existed, not somebody's edict.
[06:56.000 --> 06:59.000]  The judge can't pretend he didn't know that.
[06:59.000 --> 07:03.000]  So I'm going to charge him criminally.
[07:03.000 --> 07:04.000]  Great.
[07:04.000 --> 07:09.000]  It was your duty to put these public officials in check.
[07:09.000 --> 07:18.000]  And instead you ask your master to guzzle before you.
[07:18.000 --> 07:20.000]  Let's see how that works for you.
[07:20.000 --> 07:22.000]  So I'm going to file it with the Attorney General.
[07:22.000 --> 07:29.000]  The Attorney General filed a, you know, I got a copy of his statement condemning what the judge did.
[07:29.000 --> 07:32.000]  Are you talking about Texas, Paxton?
[07:32.000 --> 07:34.000]  Are you talking about America?
[07:34.000 --> 07:35.000]  Bar.
[07:35.000 --> 07:36.000]  I'm sorry.
[07:36.000 --> 07:37.000]  I'm talking about Paxton.
[07:37.000 --> 07:45.000]  This district judge in Dallas County, Paxton come out and condemned what he did.
[07:45.000 --> 07:52.000]  And the Democrats just well that Paxton had no power to interfere with the court's authority.
[07:52.000 --> 08:02.000]  And other district judges accused Paxton of interfering with the independence of the judiciary.
[08:02.000 --> 08:04.000]  We'll see how that works out for you.
[08:04.000 --> 08:05.000]  Wow.
[08:05.000 --> 08:06.000]  Independent judiciary.
[08:06.000 --> 08:09.000]  I want to see how independent you are.
[08:09.000 --> 08:17.000]  Now I'm going to ask Paxton to take the criminal complaint I send to him and act in accordance with Article 2.03.
[08:17.000 --> 08:22.000]  Now Paxton is going to tell me that, oh, the prosecuting attorney has reasonable jurisdiction.
[08:22.000 --> 08:26.000]  We can only step in if we are requested to do so.
[08:26.000 --> 08:28.000]  Not.
[08:28.000 --> 08:48.000]  The law changed about four years ago that the attorney general has concurrent jurisdiction with the prosecuting attorney in the matter of, I'm sorry, in the matter of a complaint against a public official.
[08:48.000 --> 08:54.000]  He does not need the local prosecutor's permission.
[08:54.000 --> 08:55.000]  Perfect.
[08:55.000 --> 08:58.000]  So I filed with him against the judge.
[08:58.000 --> 09:05.000]  So you filed that high-minded rhetorical statement.
[09:05.000 --> 09:10.000]  Let's see if there was more behind it other than rhetoric.
[09:10.000 --> 09:22.000]  I'll send you the complaint and I will expect you to reduce it to an information and submit it to the grand jury for wit.
[09:22.000 --> 09:27.000]  What do you think you'll do?
[09:27.000 --> 09:31.000]  I think you'll do song and dance and salsa down your pants.
[09:31.000 --> 09:51.000]  And then I'll file with the Supreme Court who just released this woman and said what the court did was improper and asked the Supreme Court to present my complaint to a grand jury.
[09:51.000 --> 09:57.000]  Guys, I may need some dimes because I'm going to put these public officials on dimes.
[09:57.000 --> 10:00.000]  At least I can do is give them one.
[10:00.000 --> 10:01.000]  All right.
[10:01.000 --> 10:10.000]  I recommend everybody go and do some records request and find out what your local, what your local judges have ordered and look at it carefully.
[10:10.000 --> 10:13.000]  See if they said anything about creating crimes.
[10:13.000 --> 10:18.000]  If you don't do this or you have to be back home by whatever time, get those orders.
[10:18.000 --> 10:25.000]  Go look at the go look at your this federal constitution and the state constitution.
[10:25.000 --> 10:30.000]  Article one of both first amendment.
[10:30.000 --> 10:36.000]  There's only one amendment to the Constitution, but the first article of the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
[10:36.000 --> 10:38.000]  Read that.
[10:38.000 --> 10:49.000]  That article was in the Magna Carta when it was first signed in 1215 A.D. and it's been standing law since.
[10:49.000 --> 10:52.000]  And we'll get to that when we come back on the other side.
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[15:18.000 --> 15:22.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, RuleofLawRadio.
[15:22.000 --> 15:30.000]  And it's talking about taking on the Attorney General and seeing if he met what he said.
[15:30.000 --> 15:43.000]  But I spend my time doing other things and I don't pay as much attention to the local politics as I should.
[15:43.000 --> 15:47.000]  And Brett has obviously paid more attention than I have.
[15:47.000 --> 15:54.000]  You talked to us about the Attorney, U.S. Attorney, John, and what they're doing.
[15:54.000 --> 15:58.000]  Well, yeah, I don't usually pay much attention to the politics either.
[15:58.000 --> 16:15.000]  But yeah, just this last week, we've got an interesting article here that's talking about and giving some quotes about what the U.S. Attorney General, Bill Barr, has said on the 27th also.
[16:15.000 --> 16:19.000]  The same day that we got this from Greg Abbott.
[16:19.000 --> 16:26.000]  And Bill Barr is also giving some clarification about rogue local judges.
[16:26.000 --> 16:39.000]  But his was in the form, instead of a public address like Greg Abbott's was, he gave a memo and he actually ordered federal prosecutors across the U.S.
[16:39.000 --> 16:47.000]  to identify coronavirus-related restrictions from state and local governments.
[16:47.000 --> 16:55.000]  Quote, that could be violating the constitutional rights and civil liberties of individual citizens.
[16:55.000 --> 16:59.000]  He actually said, yeah, he wants them to go on the hunt.
[16:59.000 --> 17:17.000]  He says, and I quote, if a state or local ordinance crosses the line from an appropriate exercise of authority to stop the spread of COVID-19 into an overbearing infringement of constitutional and statutory protections,
[17:17.000 --> 17:23.000]  the Department of Justice may have an obligation to address that overreach in federal court.
[17:23.000 --> 17:33.000]  Wow, that means I should probably not file my complaint with the Texas Attorney General.
[17:33.000 --> 17:36.000]  I should file it with the U.S. Attorney.
[17:36.000 --> 17:38.000]  Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
[17:38.000 --> 17:42.000]  I'm making up some right now to give to him.
[17:42.000 --> 17:49.000]  There's several people around here, counties and cities, who set up some really strict requirements.
[17:49.000 --> 17:54.000]  Let me suggest a methodology.
[17:54.000 --> 18:02.000]  The first one you give it to is the Special Agent in Charge of the local FBI.
[18:02.000 --> 18:08.000]  And then he's not going to do anything.
[18:08.000 --> 18:15.000]  And then you file a complaint with the U.S. Attorney against the Special Agent in Charge.
[18:15.000 --> 18:17.000]  Well, what the Special Agent in Charge is going to do?
[18:17.000 --> 18:23.000]  You know, he's in a position where he has to deal with these people on a regular basis.
[18:23.000 --> 18:25.000]  So he knows all of them.
[18:25.000 --> 18:36.000]  So he's going to go to the judges or the kind of commissioners and say, he's going to send an agent out to say, okay, I got this guy trying to get me to arrest you.
[18:36.000 --> 18:43.000]  I need you to tell me why I shouldn't arrest you so I have plausible deniability.
[18:43.000 --> 18:47.000]  It's kind of CYA, cover your behind.
[18:47.000 --> 18:53.000]  He wants to be able to say, well, we looked into it and did not find a problem.
[18:53.000 --> 19:00.000]  But that local county commissioners court is going to get a call from the FBI.
[19:00.000 --> 19:05.000]  And for the most part, county commissioners court judges are ordinary people just like you and me.
[19:05.000 --> 19:10.000]  They don't have to be judges or they can just be just anybody.
[19:10.000 --> 19:23.000]  And when just anybody gets a call from the FBI, it causes a strange phenomenon generally referred to as anal restriction.
[19:23.000 --> 19:25.000]  They're not going to be happy.
[19:25.000 --> 19:37.000]  And then when nothing happens, then you file against the Special Agent in Charge with the U.S. Attorney.
[19:37.000 --> 19:44.000]  Claiming that the Special Agent in Charge is shielding these local public officials from prosecution.
[19:44.000 --> 19:48.000]  Special reason for doing that.
[19:48.000 --> 20:01.000]  When you file a complaint against a public official, you give notice to another, I'm sorry, to a federal, against a federal official.
[20:01.000 --> 20:07.000]  By giving notice to another federal official that a crime has been committed.
[20:07.000 --> 20:18.000]  That federal official under 28 U.S. Code 535 is required to give notice to the U.S. Attorney General.
[20:18.000 --> 20:22.000]  Now the prosecutor thinks he probably won't want to do.
[20:22.000 --> 20:26.000]  He probably doesn't even know that exists.
[20:26.000 --> 20:29.000]  He thinks he's the one that controls prosecutions.
[20:29.000 --> 20:39.000]  And when he doesn't give your complaint to a grand jury, then you file a request with the U.S. Attorney.
[20:39.000 --> 20:52.000]  Asking for a copy of the notice filed with the U.S. Attorney by the, I'm sorry, step back, filed by the U.S. Attorney.
[20:52.000 --> 21:04.000]  With the Attorney General, noticing the Attorney General that he has reason to believe that the Special Agent in Charge of the local FBI committed a crime.
[21:04.000 --> 21:09.000]  That's what 535 requires a public official to do.
[21:09.000 --> 21:19.000]  Now this is a little bit subtle because it says, I take 535 to be a whistleblower statute.
[21:19.000 --> 21:28.000]  If you're in working in the post office and you notice that somebody else in the post office is stealing mail.
[21:28.000 --> 21:34.000]  But this other person in the post office is good buddies with the postmaster.
[21:34.000 --> 21:41.000]  And you don't want to go to the postmaster and make accusations against his good buddy.
[21:41.000 --> 21:44.000]  You could be retaliated against.
[21:44.000 --> 21:49.000]  So the code says you don't go to up your chain of command.
[21:49.000 --> 21:54.000]  You go straight to the U.S. Attorney in D.C.
[21:54.000 --> 21:57.000]  That's why I call it a whistleblower statute.
[21:57.000 --> 22:01.000]  It takes you out of the chain of command.
[22:01.000 --> 22:13.000]  So when I read that statute, I don't see an exclusion for the U.S. Attorney.
[22:13.000 --> 22:27.000]  So when the U.S. Attorney receives information from a credible person by verified affidavit,
[22:27.000 --> 22:35.000]  that's not something he has the power to refute.
[22:35.000 --> 22:45.000]  If you are a credible person by definition and you filed with the U.S. Attorney verified criminal affidavit,
[22:45.000 --> 22:51.000]  he has been given notice, makes no difference what he thinks about it.
[22:51.000 --> 22:56.000]  And he's required to give notice to the U.S. Attorney.
[22:56.000 --> 23:00.000]  I'm sorry, to the U.S. Attorney in D.C.
[23:00.000 --> 23:06.000]  I'm sorry, the U.S. Attorney General in D.C.
[23:06.000 --> 23:13.000]  If he doesn't, then you can claim that he violated a law relating to his office
[23:13.000 --> 23:23.000]  and for the purpose of shielding the federal official from prosecution.
[23:23.000 --> 23:32.000]  And there's just come out recently that Trump has been appointing a lot of federal judges to fill in the empty spaces
[23:32.000 --> 23:36.000]  that the other presidents didn't do.
[23:36.000 --> 23:41.000]  There were a whole bunch of empty spaces for federal judges.
[23:41.000 --> 23:47.000]  And Obama and Bush, they didn't appoint judges to fill those spaces.
[23:47.000 --> 23:49.000]  But Trump has been doing that.
[23:49.000 --> 23:52.000]  He's been sticking his own people in there.
[23:52.000 --> 23:59.000]  And every U.S. Attorney, when a new president is elected, they must turn in their resignation.
[23:59.000 --> 24:05.000]  So he got this U.S. Attorney on the dime.
[24:05.000 --> 24:20.000]  So what is the likelihood that the U.S. Attorney will risk his career to protect some local chump?
[24:20.000 --> 24:23.000]  I would think he wouldn't want to do that.
[24:23.000 --> 24:25.000]  He would throw that local yokel under the bus.
[24:25.000 --> 24:29.000]  That's what we're hoping.
[24:29.000 --> 24:34.000]  Okay, about to go to our sponsors, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain.
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[28:01.000 --> 28:03.000]  You're breaking this intersection.
[28:03.000 --> 28:06.000]  The hard work can leave you to all those names.
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[28:12.000 --> 28:15.000]  The time is calling with the constant.
[28:15.000 --> 28:18.000]  You find out after a while.
[28:18.000 --> 28:20.000]  It's not your moral standard.
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[28:42.000 --> 28:44.000]  Okay, we are back.
[28:44.000 --> 28:46.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain,
[28:46.000 --> 28:47.000]  Riva Radio.
[28:47.000 --> 28:52.000]  I kind of stumbled over the cliff there.
[28:52.000 --> 28:54.000]  It was a full run.
[28:54.000 --> 28:59.000]  The worst part was that Deborah was watching.
[28:59.000 --> 29:03.000]  Okay, anyway, U.S. attorneys are more vulnerable
[29:03.000 --> 29:06.000]  than they've realized.
[29:06.000 --> 29:10.000]  Trump has been appointing federal judges
[29:10.000 --> 29:13.000]  to fill all these empty spaces.
[29:13.000 --> 29:18.000]  So he's putting powerful people in place
[29:18.000 --> 29:21.000]  that are essentially beholden to him.
[29:21.000 --> 29:23.000]  Every U.S. attorney that was in office
[29:23.000 --> 29:29.000]  when Trump got elected had to file their resignation with Trump.
[29:29.000 --> 29:33.000]  So he can fire them at the drop of a hat.
[29:33.000 --> 29:37.000]  So if we can create a condition that looks like
[29:37.000 --> 29:44.000]  the U.S. attorney is trying to shield these local yokels
[29:44.000 --> 29:49.000]  from prosecution for their constitutional misbehavior.
[29:49.000 --> 29:54.000]  And then we have the attorney general bar
[29:54.000 --> 29:57.000]  telling the attorney general, the U.S. attorneys,
[29:57.000 --> 30:02.000]  you are not to allow that kind of stuff.
[30:02.000 --> 30:06.000]  Brett, what would happen if we can pressure a U.S. attorney
[30:06.000 --> 30:13.000]  and get the U.S. attorney to go after a local
[30:13.000 --> 30:19.000]  commissioner's court judge or a local district judge
[30:19.000 --> 30:24.000]  who exerted or purported to exert an authority
[30:24.000 --> 30:26.000]  they did not especially have in the process
[30:26.000 --> 30:29.000]  to deny a citizen full and free access to or join the right?
[30:29.000 --> 30:31.000]  What do you think would happen if we got one to,
[30:31.000 --> 30:34.000]  got barred to do that?
[30:34.000 --> 30:39.000]  I don't imagine there'd be, I think they'd lose sleep over it.
[30:39.000 --> 30:42.000]  I think it would not be a good day for them.
[30:42.000 --> 30:46.000]  What you're telling me, it's sounding like the president
[30:46.000 --> 30:53.000]  is asking us to help him out here.
[30:53.000 --> 31:00.000]  Give bar something he can use to go after some local U.S. attorney
[31:00.000 --> 31:09.000]  who's not going after some state local constitutional violator.
[31:09.000 --> 31:13.000]  Yeah, he even said something else that sounded a lot like Trump.
[31:13.000 --> 31:17.000]  He says, Bill Barr said, we have to allow people to figure out ways
[31:17.000 --> 31:22.000]  of getting back to work and keeping their workers and customers safe.
[31:22.000 --> 31:25.000]  Yeah, and that was the main thing about this,
[31:25.000 --> 31:35.000]  the CDC proposed requirements that Trump threw in the trash,
[31:35.000 --> 31:41.000]  that the CDC was trying to tell everybody a set of prescriptions
[31:41.000 --> 31:43.000]  for everybody that you must follow.
[31:43.000 --> 31:46.000]  And Trump said, heck with that stuff,
[31:46.000 --> 31:52.000]  that we don't have any right to tell local people what they're supposed to do.
[31:52.000 --> 31:55.000]  We can suggest, but at the end of the day,
[31:55.000 --> 31:59.000]  they're the ones that have to make those determinations.
[31:59.000 --> 32:06.000]  And I thought that on Trump's part was incredibly savvy
[32:06.000 --> 32:11.000]  because everybody's having their rights trampled on right now.
[32:11.000 --> 32:17.000]  Even the left, and even the left is feeling it.
[32:17.000 --> 32:21.000]  And when Trump comes in to say, wait a minute, guys,
[32:21.000 --> 32:28.000]  you don't have the power to step over the good judgment of the local individuals,
[32:28.000 --> 32:31.000]  to bring true with everybody.
[32:31.000 --> 32:33.000]  Yes, sir.
[32:33.000 --> 32:37.000]  Okay, we are getting a board full of callers.
[32:37.000 --> 32:41.000]  We've got one slot left.
[32:41.000 --> 32:48.000]  Yes, so how about we go to callers?
[32:48.000 --> 32:49.000]  Ready when you are.
[32:49.000 --> 32:55.000]  Tim, what do you have for us today?
[32:55.000 --> 32:59.000]  Strength and numbers.
[32:59.000 --> 33:07.000]  If everybody can realize, you know, get a grasp on what has happened.
[33:07.000 --> 33:19.000]  People's eyes are being opened that these judges have been acting imperialistic for decades.
[33:19.000 --> 33:24.000]  And we just go along with it because we have our lives to live.
[33:24.000 --> 33:26.000]  We don't have time for court cases.
[33:26.000 --> 33:35.000]  It stops everything that we know, but they can put orders that hold us in contempt of court.
[33:35.000 --> 33:38.000]  And we're like, you know, there's something wrong with this,
[33:38.000 --> 33:43.000]  but we don't know what it is because we can't read the law.
[33:43.000 --> 33:49.000]  I mean, I'm reading, I'm subscribed to a thing called Case Tech.
[33:49.000 --> 33:53.000]  And I'm reading about vested rights.
[33:53.000 --> 33:59.000]  And I'm reading some of these court answers.
[33:59.000 --> 34:04.000]  And you think you know what they're saying, and then you get to the next sentence,
[34:04.000 --> 34:09.000]  and it says just the opposite of what you thought they were saying.
[34:09.000 --> 34:13.000]  And you're shaking your head going, wait a minute, why are they talking like this?
[34:13.000 --> 34:23.000]  To me, it's to keep the population of free citizens enslaved in ignorance
[34:23.000 --> 34:27.000]  because what we don't know, we can't fight against.
[34:27.000 --> 34:35.000]  So, you know, anything to muddy the waters so that we don't know right from wrong.
[34:35.000 --> 34:42.000]  And I mean, is this making sense, what I'm saying?
[34:42.000 --> 34:45.000]  Kind of sorta, I think.
[34:45.000 --> 34:47.000]  Kind of sorta.
[34:47.000 --> 34:50.000]  No, hold on, let me explain why I say that.
[34:50.000 --> 34:58.000]  A lot of times we talk to one another and you talk about a circumstance,
[34:58.000 --> 35:05.000]  and I look in my mind and I create a representation of that circumstance.
[35:05.000 --> 35:10.000]  And sometimes we both think we're talking about the same thing
[35:10.000 --> 35:15.000]  and when we each have our own representation, they really don't look,
[35:15.000 --> 35:20.000]  if someone were from the outside looked in, they would say these two don't look alike,
[35:20.000 --> 35:23.000]  but from us inside it, they do.
[35:23.000 --> 35:28.000]  And for me, that has been a real problem for a long time.
[35:28.000 --> 35:33.000]  I could go into a whole dissertation about participles and the problem with participles
[35:33.000 --> 35:37.000]  and nominalizations and the weaknesses in the language.
[35:37.000 --> 35:43.000]  Yeah. Well, for me, I could say, Tim, I was with you all the way up to you got about the motives.
[35:43.000 --> 35:50.000]  Because I think we're guessing at that point, like why is it difficult to understand what we think that they meant
[35:50.000 --> 35:52.000]  when we're reading through these opinions.
[35:52.000 --> 35:58.000]  And I'm guessing that that might change over time as you get to reading more and more of them
[35:58.000 --> 36:01.000]  and you start to get into it more.
[36:01.000 --> 36:08.000]  I mean, Case Text is a great tool when I'm talking about the reading of it, how much sense that makes
[36:08.000 --> 36:14.000]  there may or may not be those motives behind it of trying to keep people enslaved or all that.
[36:14.000 --> 36:18.000]  I just mean, I was with you all the way up to the first part.
[36:18.000 --> 36:28.000]  All that you were saying about that we can be enslaved because we don't read.
[36:28.000 --> 36:37.000]  And we do have full lives and we don't know none of us has really the time to hold everybody accountable
[36:37.000 --> 36:45.000]  and make them follow our law because they've already gone so far off the reservation that it's full-time job.
[36:45.000 --> 36:47.000]  Let me make a comment here.
[36:47.000 --> 36:51.000]  I've been reading codes for a very long time.
[36:51.000 --> 37:06.000]  And as an engineer, I try to lay down a set of basic structures that I can use to organize the code I'm reading.
[37:06.000 --> 37:13.000]  If you don't have a basic set of structures, when you read one of these codes,
[37:13.000 --> 37:20.000]  sometimes you just don't have the tools you need to understand it.
[37:20.000 --> 37:22.000]  And that's unfortunate.
[37:22.000 --> 37:26.000]  Law can be very complex.
[37:26.000 --> 37:36.000]  And after you've dealt with law for 25 or 30 years, a lot of similarities begin to rise up out of it.
[37:36.000 --> 37:46.000]  But what the heck do you do if you're a mechanic or a philosopher and you get hammered by the law?
[37:46.000 --> 37:57.000]  You don't have 15, 20 years to get all these pieces put in together so you can understand what this judge is talking about.
[37:57.000 --> 38:05.000]  And to the judge's credit, they do go to a lot of trouble to frame issues.
[38:05.000 --> 38:15.000]  And when you were speaking to him, I got the impression that you were talking about where the judge is framing the issues.
[38:15.000 --> 38:23.000]  A lot of times the judge will say, in this case, we ruled this way.
[38:23.000 --> 38:32.000]  And then as you go down it, the judge will say, well, we've since revised that and changed it to this other way.
[38:32.000 --> 38:38.000]  But if you read the first part and you don't read the second part, then you wind up with the problem.
[38:38.000 --> 38:46.000]  Ben Drum, a IRS lien against his property.
[38:46.000 --> 38:55.000]  The IRS filed a motion, they cited two cases that stated exactly what they wanted it to say.
[38:55.000 --> 39:04.000]  So we told Ben, Ken Magnuson told Ben, go read the cases that the IRS cited.
[39:04.000 --> 39:14.000]  And when he read the cases, what the IRS cited is what the case cited and said, this is the way we used to rule.
[39:14.000 --> 39:16.000]  But now we rule this other way.
[39:16.000 --> 39:22.000]  So the case was actually the opposite of what these guys cited.
[39:22.000 --> 39:29.000]  So when the judge is trying to explain, he may be explaining how it used to be and how we've always ruled.
[39:29.000 --> 39:34.000]  But now we're going to distinguish that and we're going to rule a different way.
[39:34.000 --> 39:36.000]  Does that make sense, Tim?
[39:36.000 --> 39:41.000]  Hang on, we're about to go to our sponsors, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Riddlebar Radio.
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[46:30.000 --> 46:42.000]  It's kind of hard, but I have found that if I set aside all of my preconceived notions or expectations
[46:42.000 --> 47:01.000]  and then assume that the judge in rendering a ruling is trying to instruct both parties in how they should present their arguments
[47:01.000 --> 47:11.000]  and in what the weaknesses of your arguments are, then it often makes it easier for me to understand what the judge is doing.
[47:11.000 --> 47:16.000]  When we were talking to you earlier, you were talking about what the judges were saying,
[47:16.000 --> 47:23.000]  often they start out by saying how things have been, how we have been ruling,
[47:23.000 --> 47:28.000]  and if you're not careful, you'll read that to be this is how things are.
[47:28.000 --> 47:38.000]  But if you read on through it, then they will tell you how they have distinguished what we used to say
[47:38.000 --> 47:42.000]  or what we say for the most part, this is the case.
[47:42.000 --> 47:48.000]  But in these special circumstances, it's different.
[47:48.000 --> 47:58.000]  Well, Greg Abbott, for example, is an attorney and then he was a judge, right, and he was on the Texas Supreme Court.
[47:58.000 --> 48:00.000]  Am I correct?
[48:00.000 --> 48:01.000]  Yes.
[48:01.000 --> 48:06.000]  Okay, and he's a Republican.
[48:06.000 --> 48:15.000]  Ben Paxton is a Republican who's been under fire and, of course, it comes from the Democratic people, the Democratic Convention,
[48:15.000 --> 48:20.000]  and then Barr is a Republican.
[48:20.000 --> 48:31.000]  So you have this judge who's a SMU graduate and then Harvard Law School graduate
[48:31.000 --> 48:39.000]  and he's been on the Dallas Court for, I don't know, 30 years or so, 40 years, something like that.
[48:39.000 --> 48:41.000]  And then...
[48:41.000 --> 48:49.000]  That's really cool, Tim. I just got to say, most people, if you go up to 10 people, they don't even know who that is,
[48:49.000 --> 48:54.000]  let alone what kind of backgrounds they have or what they've been doing.
[48:54.000 --> 48:58.000]  That's pretty cool that you are paying attention like that.
[48:58.000 --> 49:09.000]  So what did he, first of all, Abbott, he issues this edict, okay?
[49:09.000 --> 49:15.000]  This is what's going to be shut down and we're not going to open up until further notice.
[49:15.000 --> 49:18.000]  Okay, so this lady goes, hey, I got to make a living.
[49:18.000 --> 49:22.000]  So she shows up and she wears a mask. She's going to stay six feet apart.
[49:22.000 --> 49:24.000]  She's going to open up.
[49:24.000 --> 49:31.000]  And then somebody sent law enforcement out there to her business and they wrote her up.
[49:31.000 --> 49:34.000]  I guess it was code enforcement, so that's local ordinance.
[49:34.000 --> 49:39.000]  And so she tears it up at a rally for her.
[49:39.000 --> 49:44.000]  And then they send something out to her.
[49:44.000 --> 49:48.000]  I guess she's subpoenaed by the court or I don't know, I guess that's what it is.
[49:48.000 --> 49:52.000]  So she shows up and the judge, he's only doing...
[49:52.000 --> 49:54.000]  This is my opinion, okay?
[49:54.000 --> 49:57.000]  He's only doing his job. What's he supposed to do?
[49:57.000 --> 50:01.000]  Just let this rebel just work like this? No, he's not.
[50:01.000 --> 50:05.000]  He's just looking at the facts of the case, all right?
[50:05.000 --> 50:09.000]  Okay, hold on before we move forward.
[50:09.000 --> 50:15.000]  The judge has two things he must do.
[50:15.000 --> 50:23.000]  He must bring the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence and apply the law as it comes to him to the facts in the case.
[50:23.000 --> 50:33.000]  Not the opinion or position of the governor, not the opinion or position of the commissioner's court,
[50:33.000 --> 50:37.000]  but the law as it comes to him.
[50:37.000 --> 50:40.000]  Okay, but you will agree with me.
[50:40.000 --> 50:45.000]  The whole reason for your radio show is that this is what judges do, though.
[50:45.000 --> 50:48.000]  They don't just interpret facts.
[50:48.000 --> 50:56.000]  I mean, I hear it over and over or see it, you know, the things that Eddie has written.
[50:56.000 --> 50:59.000]  And then this is the whole reason why you're saying, hey, they can't do this.
[50:59.000 --> 51:02.000]  This is not what the law actually says.
[51:02.000 --> 51:08.000]  Okay, so anyway, we can just go past that a little bit so you see what I'm getting to.
[51:08.000 --> 51:13.000]  So he does this so you have this public outcry.
[51:13.000 --> 51:15.000]  Hey, they can't do this to this lady.
[51:15.000 --> 51:17.000]  You know, there's something wrong here.
[51:17.000 --> 51:20.000]  So to me, this is my opinion.
[51:20.000 --> 51:35.000]  Abbott and Paxton use this as an opportunity for political because this guy, he's one of the top dogs in the Democratic National Convention.
[51:35.000 --> 51:38.000]  And so hold on.
[51:38.000 --> 51:40.000]  This guy, you mean the judge?
[51:40.000 --> 51:47.000]  Yeah, he's one of the top Democratic people there is.
[51:47.000 --> 51:51.000]  And he's looking for a spot on the federal bench.
[51:51.000 --> 52:01.000]  So the thing that really got him in hot water more than anything was the public outcry.
[52:01.000 --> 52:09.000]  But then when the Texas Supreme Court today came up and said, letter out by the end of the day.
[52:09.000 --> 52:13.000]  Okay, so to me, that wasn't politically motivated.
[52:13.000 --> 52:16.000]  That was like, hey, they're breaking the law.
[52:16.000 --> 52:21.000]  Now the people know that we've been breaking the law all these years.
[52:21.000 --> 52:26.000]  And that was the point I was going to apply the laws.
[52:26.000 --> 52:32.000]  When it comes to him, first law he must apply is the Constitution.
[52:32.000 --> 52:33.000]  Right.
[52:33.000 --> 52:37.000]  And see, people have been going around that and we call it color of law.
[52:37.000 --> 52:42.000]  Is that correct?
[52:42.000 --> 52:44.000]  I'm not sure how to answer that.
[52:44.000 --> 52:50.000]  Color of law is when you exert a purport to a certain authority you don't express to have.
[52:50.000 --> 52:52.000]  The color of law can also be legitimate.
[52:52.000 --> 52:57.000]  It just means in the appearance of law, which may or may not be real.
[52:57.000 --> 53:04.000]  Yeah, and in this case, we have the governor making an assertion.
[53:04.000 --> 53:13.000]  And the judge taking the assertion of the governor and treating it as if it is law.
[53:13.000 --> 53:15.000]  But it's not law.
[53:15.000 --> 53:16.000]  Right.
[53:16.000 --> 53:20.000]  Or you have an assertion of the commissioner's court.
[53:20.000 --> 53:24.000]  Okay, this is logical and this is reasonable.
[53:24.000 --> 53:27.000]  Guys, this is an emergency.
[53:27.000 --> 53:31.000]  We need to take action in this emergency to protect the public.
[53:31.000 --> 53:33.000]  Well, yeah, good.
[53:33.000 --> 53:37.000]  Yeah, you need to take action, but you must filter that action.
[53:37.000 --> 53:39.000]  By the Constitution.
[53:39.000 --> 53:41.000]  By the Constitution.
[53:41.000 --> 53:42.000]  Right.
[53:42.000 --> 53:47.000]  And you don't get to step around the Constitution because this is an emergency.
[53:47.000 --> 53:55.000]  Our founders put together a very well constructed set of rules.
[53:55.000 --> 54:00.000]  You know, when I read the Bible and most people who listen to me know that I'm not particularly religious.
[54:00.000 --> 54:09.000]  But when I read the Bible, if you pay attention to that, that is a very good set of rules.
[54:09.000 --> 54:11.000]  Pay attention is well structured.
[54:11.000 --> 54:21.000]  If you do what it says, it will protect you from problems that are not immediately apparent.
[54:21.000 --> 54:36.000]  In that same context, our founders put together a legal structure that would protect public officials from doing things that will create unintended outcomes.
[54:36.000 --> 54:47.000]  So they put constitutional restrictions. You can't do these things simply because there is an emergency.
[54:47.000 --> 54:53.000]  You must do other things that do not violate these prescriptions.
[54:53.000 --> 54:59.000]  And if you do that, you won't have bad results coming back afterward.
[54:59.000 --> 55:06.000]  In this case, they ignored all that. They completely shut down the United States.
[55:06.000 --> 55:25.000]  Had they paid attention to the underlying law that our founders put in place over 200 years ago, they would have found other ways of dealing with this pandemic other than shutting down the entire economy.
[55:25.000 --> 55:39.000]  So we can say safely that the veil has been set aside so people now can see for themselves.
[55:39.000 --> 55:46.000]  It takes a long time to get a grip, just a tiny grip on what's actually taking place.
[55:46.000 --> 55:55.000]  I mean, you know, you stand there. It's kind of intimidating to stand there and you're the defendant before a judge and you don't even know what the law says.
[55:55.000 --> 55:58.000]  You know, I mean, it really is.
[55:58.000 --> 56:08.000]  And I can attest to the fact that Tim stood there when he didn't know what the law said, but he stood there anyway.
[56:08.000 --> 56:15.000]  He didn't back down. He didn't cringe from them. And in that regard, he has my respect.
[56:15.000 --> 56:17.000]  And I got my butt handed to me.
[56:17.000 --> 56:26.000]  Yeah, you did. You know, I stand in front of these judges and I have great fun with them, but I have a lot of experience at it.
[56:26.000 --> 56:32.000]  And I know exactly where I stand. Tim didn't.
[56:32.000 --> 56:37.000]  But he knew what was going on, wasn't right, and he stood up anyway.
[56:37.000 --> 56:41.000]  Well, that took a lot more courage than what I did.
[56:41.000 --> 56:46.000]  You know, I was having great fun. Tim was not.
[56:46.000 --> 56:51.000]  The conclusions of law that we requested after the summary judgment.
[56:51.000 --> 57:04.000]  You know, I'm reading and I find out that the judge doesn't have to give findings and facts and conclusions of law when there's a summary judgment.
[57:04.000 --> 57:07.000]  I don't know if I can agree with both parts of that.
[57:07.000 --> 57:17.000]  Summary judgment speaks to there not being any facts in controversy before the court, but the court still has to apply the law.
[57:17.000 --> 57:19.000]  So there still could be conclusions.
[57:19.000 --> 57:27.000]  Maybe he doesn't have to supply findings of facts and conclusions of law as a pair of items, findings and conclusions.
[57:27.000 --> 57:34.000]  But I would say he still has to prevent the conclusions because there's law involved.
[57:34.000 --> 57:38.000]  What law? You can't just come up with a random decision with no law.
[57:38.000 --> 57:43.000]  Well, that is if there is a proper summary judgment.
[57:43.000 --> 57:55.000]  If there is a summary judgment and one side says wait a minute, all of the facts are not in agreement.
[57:55.000 --> 57:57.000]  Right.
[57:57.000 --> 58:00.000]  So then the conclusion.
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[01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:40.000]  Well, you ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again. I was blindsided, but now I can see your back.
[01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:49.000]  You put the fear in my pockets, took the money from my head. Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:56.000]  At it. Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rue de la Radio.
[01:00:56.000 --> 01:01:00.000]  And through the whole break, we were talking about summary judgment.
[01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:13.000]  And Tim, if there is a summary judgment, summary judgment, there must be no facts in contention.
[01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:25.000]  And then the only thing that can be in contention is the application of the law to the facts.
[01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:39.000]  If both parties agree to the facts and both parties agree to the application of the law to those facts, then there is no claim.
[01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:49.000]  But just because both parties agree to the facts does not necessarily mean that they agree to the application of law to those facts.
[01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:54.000]  And Brett and I were discussing that over the break. Brett, will you address that?
[01:01:54.000 --> 01:02:07.000]  Well, you said it the same way. You said it better than I did. That's what I was trying to say before, is that you've got the facts and you've got the application of law to those facts.
[01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:22.000]  So in the first situation that Randy just described, there's, if both parties agree about the law and the facts, well then, yeah, summary judgment might be appropriate.
[01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:30.000]  In fact, the judge could probably even say, I have no jurisdiction to render a ruling on this because there's no controversy before the court.
[01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.000]  But either way, it should just go away.
[01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:40.000]  And in that case, there's no need for findings of fact or conclusions of law.
[01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:55.000]  But if the facts are the only part that's not in controversy, so the two sides agree on the facts, but they don't necessarily agree as to the application of law to those facts.
[01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:05.000]  Okay, so then there's still something for the judge to decide. There's still controversy before the court. It's just not factual. It's illegal controversy.
[01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:15.000]  In which case he should provide the conclusions of law. How else are you going to appeal it if he doesn't do it right?
[01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:16.000]  Tell me there.
[01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.000]  Yeah. Yeah, I'm here.
[01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:32.000]  Yeah, so you can't appeal a summary judgment motion unless you know how the judge came to the ruling on the summary judgment motion.
[01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:33.000]  Okay.
[01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:48.000]  And the only thing the judge has jurisdiction to do is determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence in summary judgment, where there's no objection to the facts. That's easy enough. That's done.
[01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:55.000]  Okay, now the judge has to go to how the law should apply to those facts.
[01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:06.000]  If you think the judge improperly applied the law to the facts, then you have a right to findings of fact and conclusions at law.
[01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:17.000]  Primarily, you want to see conclusions at law. Findings of fact are a given, but the conclusions the judge came to are not necessarily a given.
[01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:30.000]  Enter the Texas Rules of Appellate Procedure 34.5. That's where you stand if you are not getting the findings and conclusions that you need in order to make your appeal.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:34.000]  It's in Texas Rules of Appellate Procedure 34.5.
[01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:53.000]  Okay. I was reading a law journal in a state of Texas, and it was talking about that findings and facts and conclusions of law are improper when there is a summary judgment.
[01:04:53.000 --> 01:05:13.000]  Okay, now you're saying if it is in controversy, well, if what your argument was and your defense was sloughed off, because all that appears that I ever argued was jurisdiction.
[01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:35.000]  And so when we did our appeal, our appeal was not to the summary judgment. Our appeal was to the, with prejudice, judgment by the same judge against the attorneys and the board that the administrative board.
[01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:47.000]  Okay. And all the appeals court did is come back. This is after the mandamus. I'm talking about our actual appeal. The appeals court came back and said, we agree with the trial court.
[01:05:47.000 --> 01:06:00.000]  There is no jurisdiction. The court actually had jurisdiction to decide these three things. So you have no argument. That's what they basically told them.
[01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:12.000]  Okay. Well, I think you just went from a general kind of a, here are the things and here are the way things work to a specific of your case.
[01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:26.000]  And in your case, I think that you, correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, I remember all the details about it, but I think you didn't oppose their motion for summary judgment.
[01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:40.000]  Is that right? Or did you oppose it? We were supposed to file it and we weren't able to file it in time. So we had an imposter go and turn it in for us.
[01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  So just for everybody, if they put in a summary, somebody puts in a summary judgment against you, you have to respond. You have to say to the court by some opposing document, you say, no, that's not true.
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:10.000]  There are facts in controversy. So that could be an objection to the motion. It could be an opposition to the motion, but it needs to be in writing and put before the court as fast as you can.
[01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:17.000]  Your appeal, your appeal can't have anything other than what you put on the record. So yeah, that's right.
[01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:35.000]  Why the proper argument? Then what are you going to appeal? Wait, wait, hold on. The argument you bring is not something that's restricted in appeal. The facts you put on the record.
[01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:36.000]  Yes. Okay.
[01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:43.000]  That's what restricted in the appeal. When you go to appeal, if you made the wrong argument in the trial court.
[01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:51.000]  On appeal, you can make a different argument. You just can't enter more facts.
[01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:52.000]  Right.
[01:07:52.000 --> 01:08:00.000]  Unless those facts were not available and did not become available until after the decision of the trial court.
[01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:01.000]  Right.
[01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  So it was a virtual impossibility for you to enter those facts.
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:07.000]  Right.
[01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:15.000]  You can have new facts. You can enter them, but you can always enter in a new argument based on the facts before the court.
[01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:22.000]  Well, listen, I know you got other callers and stuff. And so I don't want to take up too much time. So I'm going to go ahead and let off tonight.
[01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:29.000]  But if it's okay, I'd like to call tomorrow night and talk specifics of my case. That would be okay with you.
[01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:38.000]  Yes, of course. And I mentioned on the break that Tim is making really good arguments.
[01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:44.000]  So I'm wondering what's wrong, Tim?
[01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.000]  I'm reading.
[01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:54.000]  And I am pleased. This is what we do this show for.
[01:08:54.000 --> 01:09:03.000]  When Tim first came on, he had no idea what was going on. He was struggling and it's taken a while, but now we get really good questions.
[01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:07.000]  I once did an interview with Rip Shram.
[01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:11.000]  He had a radio show on legal reform for 20 years.
[01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:18.000]  And after my show, he said, where do you get those callers?
[01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.000]  They ask such good questions.
[01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:27.000]  I said, we work at it.
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:31.000]  And you ask good questions, Tim. Thank you.
[01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:41.000]  Well, this is the last thing I'm going to say. I've said it before tonight is that I think we're right now on the cusp of something great.
[01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:50.000]  If we can just write things that are not obnoxious, but stick to the facts of what's actually taking place now.
[01:09:50.000 --> 01:10:03.000]  And how this has been happening in history all around us with the court and the prosecution and all that like prosecutorial immunity, things like that.
[01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.000]  When they're breaking the law and they know they are.
[01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:15.000]  So we have to get people's attention because, like I said, start this show strength in numbers of people because that will get their attention.
[01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:16.000]  Nothing else.
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:25.000]  I think this is the right time, right place.
[01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:34.000]  You know, you we've all do listen to this show. We have people talking about sheep bowl and people who are sleeping awake.
[01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.000]  Everybody's awake.
[01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:40.000]  Yeah, it appears so now.
[01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:48.000]  Brett and I and Pastor Masters and Deborah, all of us and Eddie, we're all put on the dime.
[01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:52.000]  Now it's time for us to stand up. Everybody's awake and listening.
[01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.000]  Now we've got to get our act together.
[01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:54.000]  Hang on.
[01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.000]  About to go to our sponsors, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain.
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[01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:41.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, rule of law radio, and Tim dropped off,
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.000]  but Tim was kind of the reason we do this show.
[01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:50.000]  If you've all been listening for a long time,
[01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:55.000]  there was a while there that Tim was struggling to try to...
[01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.000]  First, he was under attack,
[01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:04.000]  and I think everybody that listened to him could feel his stress and the pressure he was under.
[01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.000]  And he fought this for a long time.
[01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:09.000]  He never backed down, he never gave up.
[01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:16.000]  And we suggested that he go study the law and read the underlying law for what was going on,
[01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:18.000]  and he did that.
[01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:24.000]  And anybody who's been listening a long time can see Tim coming along.
[01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:29.000]  And my producer just said, you've got to the college, you need to go to him.
[01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:32.000]  I said, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.000]  Tim did really good.
[01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:44.000]  He demonstrated how we move from being a subject to our government
[01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:47.000]  to being the master of our government.
[01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:50.000]  That's why we do this show.
[01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:57.000]  98% of the people don't have the time to put into this that Tim has put.
[01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:03.000]  And a lot of them don't have the motivation to not under the kind of stress Tim was,
[01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  but Tim is coming around.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:11.000]  Now, when Tim started, he came to me for advice.
[01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:16.000]  Now he's got other people coming to him for advice, and he can give them good advice.
[01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.000]  That's why we do this show.
[01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:27.000]  Now we're going to go to Olivier, who for a while there was on the show quite a bit
[01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:31.000]  when the system was coming after him.
[01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:39.000]  Now, Olivier is in a position to go back after the other guys.
[01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:46.000]  Olivier, you there?
[01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.000]  I wonder if we lost him.
[01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:54.000]  If he doesn't come back in, then I will call him and get him to call in tomorrow night.
[01:16:54.000 --> 01:17:03.000]  Olivier was prosecuted in Tennessee, and they revoked his license for not paying a fine.
[01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:12.000]  But subsequently, there have been decisions by the courts that said that it's unconstitutional
[01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:18.000]  to revoke someone's license for not paying a fine.
[01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:24.000]  So he's preparing a suit to file against the State of Tennessee.
[01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:27.000]  Olivier at the moment is outside the State of Tennessee.
[01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.000]  He's in Florida.
[01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:37.000]  So now he's going to go back and draw the State of Tennessee into court on this constitutional issue
[01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:44.000]  from interfering with his right to look a motion for not paying a fine.
[01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:48.000]  So maybe I can get him back on tomorrow night.
[01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:52.000]  I'm going to go to Adam in Texas.
[01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.000]  Hello, Adam.
[01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:55.000]  Oops, there you are.
[01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.000]  I'm trying to get you unmuted.
[01:17:57.000 --> 01:17:58.000]  Okay, go ahead, Adam.
[01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:06.000]  What do you have for us today?
[01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:09.000]  Is it just me?
[01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.000]  Oh, he just dropped off.
[01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:17.000]  Maybe he heard you saying that you're going to Olivier.
[01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.000]  He just dropped off.
[01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:24.000]  And it may be that sometimes with this caller bridge, sometimes somebody's dropped off.
[01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:28.000]  It doesn't always show us.
[01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:34.000]  For those of you out there listening, I'm looking at a screen that shows me who the callers are
[01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:38.000]  and how long they've been on and various data.
[01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:48.000]  But it doesn't tell me sometimes it doesn't tell us when they drop off or when there is a connection issue between us and them.
[01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:57.000]  Since we have lost Adam, Adam, if you can hear us, if you're listening on your computer or something, call us back.
[01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:01.000]  We're going to go back and see if we can bring in Olivier.
[01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:07.000]  Olivier, are you there?
[01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:11.000]  If Olivier is there, we can't hear him.
[01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:18.000]  So, okay, we've got another segment and a half left.
[01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:25.000]  Back to Brett, back to Barr.
[01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:32.000]  I'm really intrigued. I'm most intrigued with the underlying politics.
[01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:42.000]  It's kind of beginning to play out the way I expected it to except a little ahead of what I expected.
[01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:53.000]  Trump has turned on China and the Democrats seem to be trying to run interference for China.
[01:19:53.000 --> 01:20:00.000]  And certainly the World Health Organization is trying to run interference for China.
[01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:12.000]  So, what is Trump trying to accomplish by turning this into the Wuhan virus?
[01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:19.000]  I understand China was a little upset about hearing you call that the China virus.
[01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:23.000]  We're not happy about that, but it came out of China.
[01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:42.000]  I can't know what he might be trying to do. I can guess just like anybody else, but I can also just say I'm really glad to see that somebody like Bill Barr is willing to come right out as clearly for the rights of the people as I hear anybody saying.
[01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:52.000]  That's great between him and now Governor Abbott in Texas is saying basically the same thing.
[01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:56.000]  These local people have no authority to do what they're doing.
[01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:09.000]  So, for them to come out and be so clear about it and even for the U.S. Attorney to go instruct all the federal prosecutors, I think there's, what, 93 of them,
[01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:23.000]  he gave instructions to them to identify restrictions from state and local governments that could be violating constitutional rights and civil liberties of individual citizens.
[01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.000]  That's just, I love it.
[01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:29.000]  Let me make a statement to everybody who's listening.
[01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:51.000]  I listened to some news reports and those news reports said that a judge in Dallas put a woman in jail for not following a prescription ordered by the governor.
[01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:58.000]  So, how does the governor have the power to exercise authority over an individual?
[01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:00.000]  Yeah, that's a great question.
[01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:09.000]  That's something that's not being addressed officially in these kind of conversations here, but it's a very valid one.
[01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:18.000]  So, it sounds like the governor exerted or purported to exert an authority he did not express to have by issuing disorder.
[01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:30.000]  But if the judge issued, if the governor issued an order, that's one thing, but if he issued a recommendation, that's something else.
[01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:34.000]  If he recommended that we do these things, that's different.
[01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:42.000]  If he ordered it, the question becomes, where did he get that authority?
[01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:48.000]  And I go back to our founders, just like I was talking earlier about the Bible.
[01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:55.000]  The Bible is an incredibly well-constructed prescription for life.
[01:22:55.000 --> 01:23:11.000]  Without regard to the underlying religious connotations, if you just look at what it tells you to do, it will protect you from problems that you may not recognize that will come down the pipe years later.
[01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:20.000]  Our Constitution did the same thing as it applies to Caesar's law, the laws of governments.
[01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:30.000]  If you follow the prescriptions of the Constitution, they will protect you from doing things that will come back to haunt you.
[01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:52.000]  So now we have governors saying, oh yes, but this is an emergency, so we can ignore all these time-tested prescriptions for good government, and we can do what we feel at the moment is most expedient.
[01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:57.000]  The whole purpose of the Constitution was to keep us from doing that.
[01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:06.000]  You stay within the bounds of these restrictions, and you will not cause major catastrophe.
[01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:07.000]  Right.
[01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.000]  They stepped outside these bounds.
[01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.000]  And caused catastrophe.
[01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:16.000]  And caused catastrophe, so what are we going to do about it?
[01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:22.000]  I intend to file criminal charges against the judge who ordered the arrest of this woman.
[01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:26.000]  I don't have anything to do with it, and I don't need to have anything to do with it.
[01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:41.000]  I have reason to believe and do believe that this judge exercises authority he did not expressly have in the process to notices and full-free access to her enjoyment of right, and I want the attorney general to arrest that son of a gun.
[01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:57.000]  And if he doesn't, then I'll hold him responsible for misfeeds in office, Randy Kelton.
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[01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:30.000]  Some things in this world I'll never understand. Some things I realize fully.
[01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:39.000]  Somebody's on a police, that police man. Somebody's on a police, a police.
[01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:48.000]  There's always room at the top of the hill. I hear through the grapevine and it's lonely, love you.
[01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:55.000]  They're wishing it was more than I positioned to fail. They know they've found it.
[01:27:55.000 --> 01:28:00.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, rule of law radio.
[01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:04.000]  And I think we've got Olivier back. Olivier, are you there?
[01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.000]  Yeah, can you hear me?
[01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.000]  All right.
[01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:22.000]  Okay. Olivier, a couple years ago, he was in Tennessee. His wife is in the military. She was in the 101st in Clarksville, Tennessee.
[01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:27.000]  And I have a place in my heart for Clarksville, Tennessee.
[01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:38.000]  You know, I was in Vietnam and there was one time my life was really put at jeopardy.
[01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:46.000]  Only one time. I wasn't a combatant. I was a tech. So I wasn't armed. I was kind of at the mercy.
[01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:51.000]  And one time we were put in a place that, as far as I know, we still can't talk about.
[01:28:51.000 --> 01:29:01.000]  But it got real, really, really ugly. And the 101st Airborne came in and pulled our behinds out of there.
[01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:07.000]  They came in through absolutely withering fire.
[01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:15.000]  That only absolutely, certifiably insane people would have come into that place and they got us out of there.
[01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:25.000]  And his wife was in 101st. So I have a place in my heart for that. But he was in Tennessee and he had traffic issues.
[01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:29.000]  And then he moved to Florida.
[01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:47.000]  And we recently had a Supreme Court decision concerning the constitutionality of revoking a driver's license for failure to pay a fine.
[01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:53.000]  Olivier, would you explain that issue?
[01:29:53.000 --> 01:30:19.000]  Well, they stated that the distinction of driver's license for fine fees and court costs was unconstitutional because it restricted the ability of the individual to pursue life, happiness,
[01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:25.000]  and income.
[01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:51.000]  And it also, there was a statement saying that it purported to, it purported the benefits, the other debts, like the court fees and everything are debts, and they allow them to suspend your license over it.
[01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:57.000]  But other debts, credit card debts and things like that, they can't suspend your license.
[01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:11.000]  So it was, they regulated it as unequal, unequally applied.
[01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:15.000]  Yeah, unequal application of the law. Cool.
[01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:27.000]  Yeah, unequal, yeah, unequal application. So because one debt can suspend your license and the other debt could not suspend your license.
[01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:29.000]  Beautiful.
[01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:48.000]  Right. But going through that, and as I think one of your colleagues said earlier, stating that we don't know and we don't read, and well, yeah, that makes sense.
[01:31:48.000 --> 01:32:02.000]  Looking out of the school, none of this stuff is taught in school, so that's the first step in discovering of how we got here.
[01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:08.000]  It's not educated. We're taught about everything else, how to add and things like that.
[01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:15.000]  We're taught that we have rights, but not how to protect them or apply them.
[01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:24.000]  Actually, in school, you are taught that you have all these great and wonderful rights.
[01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:34.000]  While it is demonstrated to you that while you're in this school, don't even imagine trying to exercise one of those rights.
[01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:41.000]  The whole way to the system will follow what's squarely on your head.
[01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:47.000]  That has always been a major problem. Okay, I'm sorry, I interrupted you. Go ahead, Olivier.
[01:32:47.000 --> 01:33:06.000]  Right. And I was listening and in my situation, being on the inside, I see a lot of the procedure.
[01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:08.000]  Did we lose you?
[01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:11.000]  Can you hear me?
[01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:17.000]  Okay, I saw a lot of procedure. That's where we lost you.
[01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:18.000]  Okay.
[01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.000]  Did you say when you were on the inside, there was a lot of procedure?
[01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:38.000]  Yeah, I saw a lot of procedures that they used to entrap us and to extort money from us as far as the different things they do, child support and other courts to extort fees from us.
[01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:59.000]  Now, I was looking at the, understanding all these things, I was looking at the procedure of challenging statutes or ordinances for void, for vagueness, and overburied.
[01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:22.000]  And I've been looking at that and I've been realizing that if we, all the issues that we've had and problems that we had, if we looked at the law properly and looked at where we stand accordingly,
[01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:45.000]  we wouldn't be using all these arguments and applications that don't benefit us because we're speaking another language which exists, but that's their language, their territory.
[01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:58.000]  And if we want to correct the situation, we have to re-educate ourselves and understand that we're the authority and they had to get through the Constitution to get to us.
[01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:21.000]  And with the void for vagueness Constitution, I mean, void for vagueness doctrine, it concerns the Fifth Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment due process and everything else that is included into those two plus the First Amendment,
[01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:50.000]  which deals with freedom of speech or restriction of speech, and with this doctrine, all those, all your rights and possibilities, all those arguments are within the Fourth and the Fifth Amendment due process
[01:35:50.000 --> 01:36:16.000]  and you're right to, right to use the automobile on the public highways, right to work, right to life, it goes on and on and on, plus the due process part, which would be, which I have read that there's various applications of the due process, which one of them would be that they...
[01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:41.000]  And Olivier, since we are in the middle of this coronavirus issue, I'd like to address the issue you're addressing right now, the exercise of rights where it's maybe convenient or inconvenient for the state.
[01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:53.000]  And now we have people who are trapped by the coronavirus and public officials are saying, oh my goodness, this is an emergency.
[01:36:53.000 --> 01:37:14.000]  We need to take away people, certain of people's rights because this is an emergency, but the Constitution does not allow for the equity, the taking away of rights simply because it's an emergency.
[01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:39.000]  And while the public officials can do certain things, our founders put absolute restrictions that forbid you from doing certain things, and those certain things include the rights and privileges including the Constitution.
[01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:48.000]  The Constitution First Amendment, or in the Federal Constitution, there was only one amendment.
[01:37:48.000 --> 01:38:00.000]  There were a number of portions of that amendment, and we call the First Amendment the First Amendment, but it really wasn't.
[01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:20.000]  It was a part of the First Amendment, but the very first one restricted the government from doing certain things, and I read that the way I read the prescriptions in the Bible where the Bible says, don't do these things.
[01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:30.000]  If you do these things, bad things will come of them down the road that you don't necessarily recognize at the moment.
[01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:43.000]  We have the coronavirus occur, and local governments say, oh my goodness, this is an emergency. We need to do all these things to protect the people, but this is an unprecedented emergency.
[01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:54.000]  We've never had this before. We have no prescription or directions on how to handle this. Yes, we do.
[01:38:54.000 --> 01:39:04.000]  We have the Constitution, and we have the laws and statutes that have been developed over a couple hundred years.
[01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:14.000]  Do what you need to do, but do it within the bounds of the Constitution and the laws.
[01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:26.000]  And if you do that, it will dramatically decrease the unintended and harmful consequences of your behavior.
[01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:30.000]  Does that make sense, Olivier?
[01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  I'm kind of waxing philosophical here, and actually I'm out of time to wax philosophical.
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:49.000]  Olivier, I would like you to call back tomorrow night because what you're doing, I'd like you to examine more. Thank you all for listening. We'll be back tomorrow night. Good night.
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