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[00:05.520 --> 00:10.440]  Markets for Wednesday the 1st of February 2017 are currently treading with gold at $1,204.39
[00:10.440 --> 00:18.520]  an ounce, silver $17.49 an ounce, Texas crude $52.81 a barrel, and Bitcoin is currently
[00:18.520 --> 00:23.000]  sitting at about $977 U.S. currency.
[00:23.000 --> 00:31.800]  Today in history, the year 1992, the Chief Judicial Magistrate of Bhopal, India declared
[00:31.800 --> 00:36.320]  Warren Anderson, ex-CEO of Union Carbide, a fugitive under Indian law for failing to
[00:36.320 --> 00:38.840]  appear in the Bhopal disaster case.
[00:38.840 --> 00:42.600]  The Bhopal gas tragedy is considered one of the world's worst industrial disasters, where
[00:42.600 --> 00:47.220]  over half a million people were exposed to methyl isocyanate and other chemicals nearly
[00:47.220 --> 00:48.480]  a decade before.
[00:48.480 --> 00:56.960]  Today in history, in recent news, the United Nations is facing challenges on how it will
[00:56.960 --> 01:01.320]  respond to U.S. President Trump's executive order, halting entry for at least 120 days
[01:01.320 --> 01:05.120]  for refugees and 90 days for visitors from a total of seven nations.
[01:05.120 --> 01:09.680]  The main issue, funding, since the U.S. is the biggest donating member state with 22%
[01:09.680 --> 01:14.240]  of the U.N.'s regular budget and over 28% of the cost of its global peacekeeping operations,
[01:14.240 --> 01:19.000]  not including the World Health Program, its children's agency, UNICEF, International Organization
[01:19.000 --> 01:24.560]  for Migration, IOM, and the World Health Organization, which all also receive substantial donations
[01:24.560 --> 01:26.160]  by U.S. taxpayers.
[01:26.160 --> 01:30.880]  The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, or UNHCR, has a stated goal of assisting the
[01:30.880 --> 01:35.280]  world's downtrodden and persecuted, so it's looking to other countries to take those affected
[01:35.280 --> 01:36.560]  by the temporary ban.
[01:36.560 --> 01:42.480]  The UNHCR received $1.5 billion last year alone from the United States, with the UNHCR
[01:42.480 --> 01:47.600]  estimating 65 million people as being displaced worldwide by conflict and persecution, the
[01:47.600 --> 01:49.120]  highest number since World War II.
[01:49.120 --> 01:54.400]  It is calculated that the U.S. could have resettled 20,000 people over the 100-day suspension,
[01:54.400 --> 01:56.920]  based on the average rate over the last 15 years.
[01:56.920 --> 02:01.160]  Michael Williams, a distinguished fellow at the Chatham House think tank in London and
[02:01.160 --> 02:05.600]  former U.N. Undersecretary General, stated that Trump was trying to get more donations
[02:05.600 --> 02:08.240]  and participation out of other countries.
[02:08.240 --> 02:14.200]  Quote, particularly with UNHCR, the U.S. has punched way above its weight, and he's
[02:14.200 --> 02:15.920]  trying to even it out.
[02:15.920 --> 02:18.680]  And in that regard, I am not without sympathy.
[02:18.680 --> 02:23.320]  The notion of getting other countries to play a greater role in global affairs is one Trump
[02:23.320 --> 02:26.960]  discussed several times on his presidential trail, and the International Organization
[02:26.960 --> 02:32.640]  for Migration, IOM, spokesman Leonard Doyle, encouraged other countries to show a, quote,
[02:32.640 --> 02:36.360]  a modicum of the same degree of openness that the U.S. has shown.
[02:36.360 --> 02:38.400]  Let's have it from the Latin Americans.
[02:38.400 --> 02:39.560]  Let's have it from the Asians.
[02:39.560 --> 02:44.480]  Let the Europeans show a bit more generosity, saying at a news conference on Tuesday, probably
[02:44.480 --> 02:48.680]  the most important thing is for other countries to step forward and say, we will take these
[02:48.680 --> 02:51.520]  people who have been approved and cleared.
[02:51.520 --> 02:52.520]  Why not?
[02:52.520 --> 03:07.080]  This is Rick Brody with your Lowdown for February 1st, 2017.
[03:07.080 --> 03:29.040]  Congratulations, Rick!
[03:29.040 --> 03:30.800]  What you gonna do?
[03:30.800 --> 03:32.440]  When they come for you.
[03:33.040 --> 03:36.240]  Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?
[03:36.240 --> 03:37.640]  When they come for you
[03:37.640 --> 03:41.240]  when you were eight, and you had bad traits
[03:41.240 --> 03:43.640]  your go to school and learn the golden rule
[03:43.640 --> 03:46.320]  so why are you acting like a bloody fool
[03:46.320 --> 03:48.240]  if you get laid you might get cool
[03:48.240 --> 03:51.740]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:51.740 --> 03:54.440]  Whatcha gonna do, when they come for you
[03:54.440 --> 03:56.840]  bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:56.840 --> 04:10.360]  Okay, howdy, howdy, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Root of Law Radio on this
[04:10.360 --> 04:22.040]  February, February, this Thursday, February the 16th, 2017 and we planned on having Michael
[04:22.040 --> 04:28.120]  Bennerich on tonight, but we seem to be having some technical difficulties. We will get him on
[04:28.120 --> 04:40.680]  shortly. Kind of update on where we're at. I still have my criminal complaints against the district,
[04:40.680 --> 04:46.840]  the federal district judge working. Another set of criminal complaints against the local
[04:46.840 --> 04:57.800]  state district judge working and I'm working on a, the electronic lawyer I've been working on for
[04:57.800 --> 05:04.680]  a long time, but I'm putting together a set of preliminary documents for traffic tickets.
[05:05.720 --> 05:13.080]  I need a demonstration product and it looks like I may do this with traffic.
[05:13.080 --> 05:19.320]  There is an approach that I've been taking with traffic and helping other people with
[05:19.960 --> 05:26.840]  and we've had good luck with it, or as good luck as we can expect to have. We could certainly tie
[05:26.840 --> 05:32.440]  them up in the courts and it puts them in a position where we're asking questions they can't
[05:32.440 --> 05:44.040]  answer. And I expect this, that Scott Richardson may be calling in here in a bit and he has been
[05:44.040 --> 05:53.000]  sending out a large amount of information requests. He sent them to a whole bunch of different
[05:53.000 --> 06:02.360]  clerks and he is requesting the certification of these officers. This has been the area where we
[06:02.360 --> 06:12.920]  have got the most traction. He just got a response from Tarrant County. Tarrant County is the Dallas
[06:12.920 --> 06:24.360]  Fort Worth area and the sheriff said that they don't have anyone trying to do the, enforce the
[06:24.360 --> 06:33.560]  transportation code. It seems like nobody realizes that these requirements are in the codes. We do
[06:33.560 --> 06:43.720]  have Michael Banerich back on. Hello, Michael. Hey, how are you, Randy? I am good. You have been a
[06:43.720 --> 06:50.360]  stranger for a while. So tell us what you've been up to in the past few months since we've heard
[06:50.360 --> 06:58.760]  from you. I have just settling into Austin. I've moved back here a couple of weeks ago and I've
[06:58.760 --> 07:07.880]  been traveling a little bit. I had to go back to Michigan. My brother had a short hospital visit
[07:07.880 --> 07:18.440]  and I had to babysit my dad while my brother was in the hospital. But mostly just hanging out here
[07:18.440 --> 07:29.960]  in Austin, getting my roots back and trying to make a little bit of money so I don't starve to death.
[07:29.960 --> 07:39.400]  The last time I saw you, Michael, you didn't look like you were starving. Well, I had just arrived
[07:39.400 --> 07:51.320]  in Austin and I was just happy, happy to be back in Texas. I was definitely well-fed. Yeah, but in
[07:51.320 --> 07:57.320]  the meantime, you know, I've gotten to the point where I've got to find a way to put food on the
[07:57.320 --> 08:05.000]  table because I don't want to leave Texas and certainly I don't want to go back to Texas.
[08:05.000 --> 08:12.680]  And because I don't want to leave Texas and certainly don't want to be on the welfare rolls.
[08:13.880 --> 08:23.880]  So, do a gun course. Yeah, I've been kind of helping people out with their
[08:24.680 --> 08:33.640]  Second Amendment training. I have been teaching most of my life and teaching people to shoot
[08:33.640 --> 08:41.880]  is almost reflexive for me. But I seem to have developed a knack for helping people hit the
[08:41.880 --> 08:51.960]  target, you know, most of the time. There's a lady from Dallas that I've been coaching and the last
[08:51.960 --> 09:00.200]  time we went to the gun range, she had 47 out of 50 in the 10 ring, basically. It's the kill shot
[09:00.200 --> 09:10.120]  and a silhouette target. So, I just wanted to let people know that I am offering that service and,
[09:10.680 --> 09:16.440]  you know, willing to travel so they can visit my website and find out more details and,
[09:17.160 --> 09:22.920]  you know, contact me the way they always have. Will you give us the details on your website?
[09:22.920 --> 09:33.560]  My website is constitutionpreservation.org. Constitution is not Constitutional, but just
[09:33.560 --> 09:45.080]  constitutionpreservation.org. And there is a link there for gun training, something that I've added
[09:45.080 --> 09:54.040]  fairly recently. And it has all the details of what I'm willing to help you do. I point out right
[09:54.040 --> 10:00.600]  up front that I have no certifications. I'm not an NRA-certified instructor or anything like that.
[10:01.480 --> 10:10.200]  I'm just extremely competent at what I do. And so, if you're looking for a certificate that you
[10:10.200 --> 10:15.320]  can hang on the wall, you probably want to go to a local gun range or something like that.
[10:15.320 --> 10:21.240]  But if you want to be able to put all of the bullets where they count, I'm the guy that can
[10:21.240 --> 10:30.840]  get you there very, very quickly. Well, okay. So, you don't have this like a schedule set up.
[10:30.840 --> 10:40.200]  You essentially do this for classes. Yeah. It's, you know, as needed. It's usually one-on-one or
[10:40.200 --> 10:49.800]  two-on-one. I mean, I don't have, you know, weekly classes set up. What I usually do is,
[10:50.440 --> 10:57.640]  I mean, people come to me, they have no general knowledge about guns. So, I will take them to the
[10:57.640 --> 11:09.080]  nearest gun show and explain the differences between revolvers and semi-autos. I'll show them
[11:09.080 --> 11:15.160]  the different types of ammunition that's available. And, you know, that can be mind-numbing,
[11:15.160 --> 11:23.400]  the number of varieties there are. And subsequently, you can go to the range and let them fire
[11:23.400 --> 11:30.440]  different calibers so that they can find out what power level they would be comfortable with.
[11:30.440 --> 11:38.120]  I'll let them shoot my.45, probably a 9mm. And if they need less power than that, we can shoot a
[11:38.120 --> 11:48.760] .380 and basically give them a sample of what type of firepower is out there. And then eventually
[11:48.760 --> 12:01.000]  we'll go back to the gun show, usually a month later. And I will help them select a pistol that
[12:01.000 --> 12:10.920]  fits their hand and fits their needs. That sounds like a good idea. My wife and my sister-in-law,
[12:10.920 --> 12:19.000]  they were looking to purchase a weapon, but they had no idea what wanted or what they needed. And
[12:19.000 --> 12:25.640]  they certainly didn't know how to pull the trigger without closing their eyes. So, this sounds like,
[12:25.640 --> 12:29.640]  of course, it would be great for them before they go out and purchase a weapon.
[12:29.640 --> 12:39.480]  Oh, absolutely. You know, people who are extremely afraid of guns usually have no information or
[12:39.480 --> 12:48.280]  misinformation about guns. And much like anything else, once you become familiar with the correct
[12:48.280 --> 12:55.960]  information, you know, it's not so scary. And to have somebody there who is, you know, confident
[12:55.960 --> 13:06.600]  and helping you, you know, go through the steps, it's actually quite liberating and gives people
[13:06.600 --> 13:14.920]  a high level of control over their lives that they may not have had before.
[13:16.040 --> 13:22.280]  I would think that would be critically important. If someone's going to use a weapon, it needs to
[13:22.280 --> 13:28.600]  feel comfortable in their hand. They need to know what's going to happen when they pull the trigger,
[13:28.600 --> 13:36.120]  what it's going to feel like, how it responds to them, what pressure it takes to pull the trigger.
[13:36.120 --> 13:44.520]  A lot of these things that even if you get the weapon and use it, if you don't know to pay
[13:44.520 --> 13:52.680]  attention to these things, you don't get a good feel for them. I was a sharpshooter in the military
[13:53.320 --> 14:00.760]  and it took a lot of concentration. And there were a number of factors we all had to all pay
[14:00.760 --> 14:06.600]  attention to at the same time. You had to understand what the characteristics were before you could
[14:07.640 --> 14:14.920]  fire this weapon. Well, I go through a lot of safety training before we even get to the
[14:15.720 --> 14:23.160]  first gun show. So that, I mean, I let people know that, you know, before you can shoot at
[14:23.160 --> 14:29.000]  somebody else, you got to make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot. And so I'm very,
[14:29.000 --> 14:37.640]  very strict about the safety precautions and, you know, making sure that they don't...
[14:39.320 --> 14:48.040]  There are a lot of reflex things that non-shooters will do, you know, like they hit the target for
[14:48.040 --> 14:54.760]  the first time and they want to turn around and brag about their shot. But, you know, in turning
[14:54.760 --> 14:59.480]  around, they're pointing the gun at you and that tends to freak people out a little bit.
[15:00.280 --> 15:07.480]  So, you know, there's a lot of safety involved. But again, as long as I'm, you know,
[15:07.480 --> 15:12.760]  they're looking over your shoulder, my job is to make sure that, you know, you don't hurt yourself
[15:12.760 --> 15:21.320]  in the learning process. Yes, that getting weapon pointed at you, I have been on the sharp end of
[15:21.320 --> 15:25.480]  those things and it gets me real excited. Yeah.
[15:28.520 --> 15:36.040]  Okay. So, do you talk about how much it costs or is that very by client or...?
[15:38.120 --> 15:46.840]  My training is 50 bucks to go to a gun show with you and then the actual hands-on training at the
[15:46.840 --> 15:53.080]  range is about 100 bucks an hour. But usually in two hours, you know, I've taught you all the
[15:53.080 --> 15:58.120]  things that you need to know so that you can now go to the range yourself and just practice
[15:59.000 --> 16:06.440]  the fundamentals. But the guns that people purchase will vary depending on what size gun
[16:06.440 --> 16:12.440]  they have and, you know, what they want it for. You know, people say, well, what kind of gun should
[16:12.440 --> 16:17.160]  I buy? Well, I have really no idea. I have no idea what you're planning to do with it.
[16:18.600 --> 16:23.000]  You know, I can't answer what kind of car you should buy. I don't know if you're going to be
[16:23.000 --> 16:30.520]  picking kids up at, you know, soccer practice or, you know, carrying groceries or going off road.
[16:30.520 --> 16:35.400]  I mean, they make different vehicles for different purposes. And, you know, I really need to know
[16:35.400 --> 16:42.920]  more about what you're planning to do. You know, if you're planning to do simply just home defense.
[16:42.920 --> 16:47.800]  Hang on, Michael. We're about to show the board. This is Randy Kelton, Denver Stevens,
[16:47.800 --> 16:54.680]  Real Law Radio, here with Michael Bennerich. Our call-in number, 512-646-1984,
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[19:59.880 --> 20:19.320]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens here with Michael Banderich. Michael,
[20:19.320 --> 20:24.520]  I haven't talked to you about what I've been doing lately. I think you might find some of it
[20:24.520 --> 20:32.920]  interesting. You know, from the beginning, I've always said that it has been my intended
[20:32.920 --> 20:41.160]  ultimate outcome to place judge in the country in a position such that when they step up behind
[20:41.160 --> 20:46.280]  the bench and look out across the bar at the gallery, I want them wondering which one,
[20:47.000 --> 20:51.560]  which one of those scoundrels sitting out there now waiting for me to render a ruling.
[20:51.560 --> 20:55.000]  He doesn't like saying run down to the grand jury and try to get me indicted.
[20:57.160 --> 21:06.120]  Well, I'm making progress on that score. And we've been talking to people over time about
[21:07.000 --> 21:16.360]  how to present yourself. And I know, Michael, just from being around you in your demeanor,
[21:16.360 --> 21:29.320]  you already intuitively understand this part of it. But we try to get people to go into
[21:29.320 --> 21:37.960]  the courthouse from the perspective of the judge, the prosecutor, the bailiff, the clerk,
[21:37.960 --> 21:47.880]  they're all public servants. They're the servants, we're the masters, and they are not to forget it.
[21:49.880 --> 21:54.760]  We walk into the courthouse and we've got two hats. We've got our litigants hat on when we
[21:54.760 --> 22:01.960]  go in there. But if one of our public officials steps a half inch across one of our legal lines,
[22:01.960 --> 22:08.680]  we take off that litigants hat and put on our master's hat and the fights on.
[22:09.480 --> 22:16.760]  And it's been my suggestion that we not wait until they do something horrendous that would
[22:16.760 --> 22:25.320]  cause them their career or maybe even their liberty. But the first time they step half
[22:25.320 --> 22:33.240]  inch across a legal line, we land on them like a ton of bricks. And they're going to look around
[22:33.240 --> 22:40.200]  and wonder, where did this come from? And by doing it that way, we don't ruin people's careers,
[22:41.480 --> 22:46.920]  but we get them educated and redirected. I kind of think of my public officials the way I do my
[22:46.920 --> 22:57.160]  grandkids. I love them. I love them. But if one of them runs out the road, I'm fixing to tan his hide.
[23:01.080 --> 23:08.280]  Okay, so we have a caller for Michael. I will. Let's bring on Dave from Texas. Hello, Dave.
[23:08.280 --> 23:15.640]  Hello, Randy. What do you have for Michael Badd-Derek?
[23:19.160 --> 23:34.200]  Michael, when I'm trying to hit the target, I mean, when I fire it, it's just the explosion
[23:34.200 --> 23:43.240]  is rocks the entire instrument and I miss the center of the target.
[23:47.320 --> 23:53.400]  Well, I don't know what your stance is. One of the first things that I do is correct people's
[23:53.400 --> 24:03.400]  stance so that it's a lot more secure and stable so that you can hold the weapon steady before you
[24:03.400 --> 24:09.800]  pull the trigger. And then the next thing that's important is the actual pulling of the trigger.
[24:09.800 --> 24:16.600]  You want that to be as smooth as possible. It should be a bit of a surprise when the gun goes
[24:16.600 --> 24:23.000]  off because once the bullet fires, it actually leaves the barrel and is on its way to the target
[24:25.480 --> 24:30.680]  before the gun moves. So if you're missing the target, it's not a problem with the gun or the
[24:30.680 --> 24:43.000]  caliber. It's the preparation for getting to that particular moment. Michael, are you saying you
[24:43.000 --> 24:47.960]  don't stand with your feet sprouted out and your arms sticking out to your side with your
[24:49.240 --> 24:53.560]  elbow crooked and your gun turned over 90 degrees and bang, bang, bang?
[24:53.560 --> 24:59.240]  No, you don't do anything that you see in the movies. If you're doing anything that you see
[24:59.240 --> 25:10.920]  in Hollywood, that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. When I first learned to shoot, I didn't
[25:10.920 --> 25:18.600]  know it at the time, but my instructor was the second best shot in the United States.
[25:19.720 --> 25:26.760]  His name was Ken Hackathorn. He taught me all the safety things and 80% of what I know about
[25:26.760 --> 25:37.160]  guns today I learned in that first weekend from Mr. Hackathorn. I teach a modified stance
[25:38.200 --> 25:45.080]  that gives you a lot more control over the gun. They're not complicated things.
[25:47.000 --> 25:52.600]  You learned how to drive a car, you can learn how to shoot a gun. You just have to follow the
[25:52.600 --> 26:02.680]  simple directions. Now, usually what I find is that at the beginning, women tend to be better
[26:03.320 --> 26:12.840]  at the gun range than men, but that's generally because the guys show up with this huge testosterone
[26:12.840 --> 26:19.320]  thing that they figure that they're already James Bond and just load it for me and I'll
[26:19.320 --> 26:24.920]  take out the bad guys. Now, wait a minute. I am genetically predispositioned for this.
[26:27.800 --> 26:35.240]  The guys tend to not listen is what I'm saying and that at the very beginning, women pay attention.
[26:35.240 --> 26:42.440]  They don't have a huge ego. They don't have anything to prove. Now, wait a minute. I shoot
[26:42.440 --> 26:52.920]  by instinct. I kid it here. This is the kind of stuff. I was a shark hunter and this is the
[26:52.920 --> 27:02.520]  kind of stuff that I hear these guys say and the instructor let us know that you're in may stink,
[27:02.520 --> 27:09.160]  but you don't have anything to do when you're shooting. Yeah. So anyway, I would have to
[27:09.160 --> 27:16.520]  physically see what you were doing at the range before I could offer a coaching suggestion as to
[27:16.520 --> 27:24.680]  how to fix whatever it is that you're doing. Where do you live? Yeah. Yeah. I live in Austin.
[27:24.680 --> 27:40.520]  You are in Austin? Yes, I am. Can I ask what caliber you're shooting? 22. Oh, okay. Well,
[27:40.520 --> 27:50.200]  with the proper stance, a 22 will have almost no recoil whatsoever and we should be able to
[27:50.200 --> 27:58.040]  get you to a position where you can put every single round right through the center of the
[27:58.040 --> 28:03.000]  target. That that should not be difficult. Again, it just takes a little bit of training
[28:05.400 --> 28:14.840]  and it's not instinctive. None of us are born knowing how to shoot a gun and when you learn
[28:14.840 --> 28:25.960]  from people who have figured it out, it just takes a little bit of direction as to what to do next.
[28:25.960 --> 28:33.960]  So if you want to give me a call, we can go to the gun range and give you some suggestions. We'll
[28:33.960 --> 28:43.400]  probably fix what you're doing in a single session. Sounds good, Michael. Thank you very much.
[28:43.400 --> 28:53.000]  Okay. Okay. I'll look for your call. If anyone else has any questions or comments for Michael,
[28:54.040 --> 29:00.840]  give us a call. 512-646-1984. We'll be taking your calls all night, not just on
[29:01.960 --> 29:08.520]  guns, but on all of our normal subjects. I almost said it on any subject, but
[29:08.520 --> 29:13.160]  we try to stay out of the political side, so we try to keep from stepping on the other hosts'
[29:13.160 --> 29:20.200]  business. But if you have any questions concerning law or legal procedure or any questions for
[29:20.200 --> 29:29.000]  Michael, give us a call. That's 512-646-1984. And we're about to go to another break. When we
[29:29.000 --> 29:37.640]  come back, I'll go over some of the things that we've been doing lately. And at the top,
[29:37.640 --> 29:46.520]  at the top of the hour, we have a... Laura Presley will be coming on. And right now,
[29:46.520 --> 29:53.320]  she's working on the county and the attorney general concerning voting. So we'll have some
[29:53.320 --> 29:58.120]  good interesting information on what she's got the attorney general doing to the county. We'll be
[29:58.120 --> 30:07.880]  right back. What's your privacy worth? Well, it's hard to put a dollar figure on it, but some
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[34:07.800 --> 34:13.800]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, here with Michael Van Derick,
[34:13.800 --> 34:19.240]  and we have Laura Presley on, and I'm gonna turn this over to Debra and let Debra interview
[34:19.240 --> 34:24.840]  Laura. She's more familiar with what is going on with Laura at the moment. Debra?
[34:25.400 --> 34:29.240]  Hi there. Thank you, Randy, and Michael Van Derick is still on the line here,
[34:29.240 --> 34:35.080]  so we're gonna get some comments from him, but we also had Dr. Laura Presley scheduled tonight,
[34:35.080 --> 34:41.320]  and as many of you know, she's been involved in an historic election contest lawsuit,
[34:41.320 --> 34:47.400]  and just amazing information has come out during the course of this lawsuit,
[34:47.400 --> 34:57.960]  and now there's even more earth-shattering, as it were, information here. I do hear that the
[34:58.680 --> 35:09.720]  that Travis County has filed lawsuit against the Attorney General of Texas over some public
[35:09.720 --> 35:17.000]  information requests that you have filed, Laura, so can you please tell us a little bit more about
[35:17.000 --> 35:20.120]  this and what are the ramifications of all this? What is this all about?
[35:23.880 --> 35:31.000]  Andy, hey Michael. Yeah, it's very interesting. We filed a public information request back in
[35:31.000 --> 35:37.640]  2016 in August, and it was filed to check out kind of what Travis County elections,
[35:38.280 --> 35:45.160]  what kind of emails communication had they been having with Hart InterCivic, who is the main
[35:45.160 --> 35:50.760]  election systems, computerized election, like electronic voting systems in Texas.
[35:51.720 --> 35:56.280]  So the email emails that we requested through this public information request was
[35:56.280 --> 36:00.600]  Travis County elections communicating with Hart InterCivic, also communicating with the
[36:00.600 --> 36:06.280]  Secretary of State's office, and also communicating with Harris County elections, which is the biggest
[36:06.280 --> 36:14.120]  customer of Hart InterCivic voting system in the country. Okay, Houston is the third largest county
[36:14.120 --> 36:18.920]  in the country, so it's Hart's biggest customer. So we were just looking for, and it's kind of when
[36:18.920 --> 36:23.320]  you do these public information requests, you do a scatter shot. You know, just give me any emails
[36:23.880 --> 36:29.880]  that have Hart InterCivic's name in it with Travis County, with Harris County, and the Secretary of
[36:29.880 --> 36:36.360]  State's office. And this primarily, I did this public information request not just with Travis
[36:36.360 --> 36:42.200]  County, but with other counties across the state. So I had multiple public information requests
[36:42.200 --> 36:48.200]  going on at the same time. And the reason I was filing these was to look at kind of what's going
[36:48.200 --> 36:53.480]  on with elections across the state. I've been all over the state talking about our election
[36:53.480 --> 37:00.200]  contest. We've got a pending election lawsuit right now with myself and Greg Kassar, who is
[37:00.200 --> 37:04.760]  sitting, the sitting council member in District 4, the district I am in, in Austin. And this
[37:05.800 --> 37:11.720]  election was back in 2014. That case has been pending. We're in the Supreme Court right now,
[37:11.720 --> 37:17.800]  and I've been going all over the state talking about how Texas election laws are being completely
[37:17.800 --> 37:22.920]  ignored and violated all across the state of Texas. Travis County is not the only one
[37:22.920 --> 37:28.600]  who's violating the election code and not keeping paper backup records as required by law in the
[37:28.600 --> 37:35.560]  state constitution for all this electronic voting machine systems that are across the state. So I
[37:35.560 --> 37:40.600]  was doing public information requests all over the state. What's interesting is Travis County
[37:40.600 --> 37:48.600]  is the only one that denied our request for these records or these emails. And they requested, as
[37:48.600 --> 37:56.920]  you can by law in Texas, if a public entity does not want to give up emails or any kind of responsive
[37:56.920 --> 38:02.760]  documents to a public information request, they can request an attorney general opinion on what
[38:02.760 --> 38:08.920]  they're withholding. And they have to show the attorney general these records that they're asking
[38:08.920 --> 38:15.320]  for an exception to withhold. And so they did that. They requested the attorney general. And
[38:15.320 --> 38:22.200]  think about this. These records were 2016 election records. Our election lawsuit was 2014. So these
[38:22.200 --> 38:28.760]  are not related. Okay. What's interesting is the attorney general said, release the records,
[38:28.760 --> 38:35.000]  Travis County. Release them. So they did an opinion. They looked at the emails and said,
[38:35.000 --> 38:39.720]  hey, there's no big issue here. There's no trade secrets. There's no security issues. Release them.
[38:39.720 --> 38:45.720]  Travis County said, no, we're not releasing them and now has sued the state attorney general,
[38:45.720 --> 38:52.600]  Ken Paxton's office for asking them to release the records. So they don't want to release them,
[38:52.600 --> 38:58.360]  Deborah. So this is very interesting. So they filed this case in district court here in Travis
[38:58.360 --> 39:08.120]  County. And it's Travis County versus Ken Paxton as there is acting as the attorney general of Texas.
[39:08.120 --> 39:14.280]  And you will not believe the stuff they put in this petition, in this lawsuit. And I'm going to
[39:14.280 --> 39:20.120]  read to you. First of all, I want you to say, I want to say that Travis County has claimed they
[39:20.120 --> 39:26.920]  have no issues with electronic voting in Austin. Everything's great. Huncie, Dory,
[39:26.920 --> 39:31.960]  there's no problem, right? Everything's great. Well, that's what they claimed in our lawsuit.
[39:33.160 --> 39:37.960]  But in this lawsuit that they're filing, they have said, and I'm going to read to you,
[39:37.960 --> 39:46.920]  it's really amazing. They say that release of these emails could expose particular weaknesses
[39:46.920 --> 39:53.080]  of the Travis County network that may allow people engaged in terrorist or criminal activities to
[39:53.080 --> 40:00.680]  damage or hack into the network. It is amazing. Well, you know, if that's true, then they
[40:00.680 --> 40:08.040]  shouldn't be communicating via email because anybody can hack the email. It can hack emails.
[40:08.040 --> 40:13.160]  I mean, next they're going to say the Russians have, the Russians did it. You know, come on.
[40:14.040 --> 40:20.360]  No, no, no, no, no. It was the Chinese. What'd you say? The Chinese. The Chinese.
[40:20.360 --> 40:26.680]  Well, see, you don't need Russians and you don't need an internet connection. All you need is a
[40:26.680 --> 40:31.880]  memory card that can download a program and you can hack an election anywhere in the country.
[40:31.880 --> 40:39.560]  Okay? So what's really interesting to me, they're claiming that these emails, there's about three
[40:39.560 --> 40:45.960]  emails, nine pages of documents they don't want to release, that it has source code information,
[40:45.960 --> 40:51.240]  maintenance information, and technical information regarding their databases and servers.
[40:52.280 --> 40:59.080]  Okay? Yeah, but the AG, the AG disagrees though. They disagree. And I'll tell you what, no one's
[40:59.080 --> 41:05.640]  sending source code over the internet. No. Okay? No. You don't. That's thousands of lines of code.
[41:05.640 --> 41:14.280]  Anybody that has written software who has a brain, this is just false. So many of the things they
[41:14.280 --> 41:21.400]  claim in this petition are absolutely not factual. I have sent an email to the Travis County lawyer
[41:22.280 --> 41:29.080]  and Randy, I've, I take your lead on this, but multiple items that they wrote that the attorney
[41:29.080 --> 41:34.760]  wrote in this pleading are false. Number one, the date of the public information request they say
[41:34.760 --> 41:40.680]  is October and it was actually August 29th. So they have to correct these things. It's not going
[41:40.680 --> 41:46.600]  to look good when they have to correct all these errors in here. And so I gave them a heads up.
[41:46.600 --> 41:51.640]  I called them and I said, here's, I'm going to send you an email with all the errors in this pleading
[41:51.640 --> 41:58.680]  and I hope that you will please correct it. And if not, I will be filing a bar complaint
[41:58.680 --> 42:05.800]  because this has to be correct. You cannot file a pleading that is factually inaccurate and it can
[42:05.800 --> 42:11.320]  be proven inaccurate pretty easily. So anyway, that's where we are with this. I just think it's
[42:12.280 --> 42:17.960]  really amazing that there's three emails, nine pages that they do not want released.
[42:19.080 --> 42:24.680]  They also claim in this petition that I'm asking this stuff for my lawsuit. Well,
[42:24.680 --> 42:29.960]  my lawsuit is two years prior to any of this information, which is also false.
[42:29.960 --> 42:36.920]  So they don't want to release this. So what, even if you were, I don't see what's wrong with that.
[42:36.920 --> 42:42.680]  And especially since Travis County was not even a party in the lawsuit, I did another public
[42:42.680 --> 42:48.920]  information request asking for audit logs that the county election divisions went to the attorney
[42:48.920 --> 42:52.600]  general and said, you know, hey, we don't want to give these to her because she's in a lawsuit.
[42:52.600 --> 42:57.560]  And the attorney general wrote back and said, you're not a party, give them to her. And so they've
[42:57.560 --> 43:00.840]  not complained on that one. So they are going to release those audit logs.
[43:00.840 --> 43:07.640]  So this lawsuit that they filed, is this under statute, the Texas Public Information Act?
[43:07.640 --> 43:14.200]  Yes. It is. They can do this. You know, if they disagree with the attorney general, they can
[43:14.200 --> 43:17.960]  pursue this all the way to the Texas Supreme Court. And there have been cases in the Texas
[43:17.960 --> 43:27.800]  Supreme Court of, you know, making a ruling on public information requests, actually.
[43:27.800 --> 43:35.240]  Yeah. Well, the big question here is what is in those emails that they just can't have the public
[43:35.240 --> 43:42.440]  knowing about? It must be something big because come on, every other county released them.
[43:42.440 --> 43:50.040]  We're with our very special guest, Dr. Laura Presley here and also Michael Badnerick.
[43:50.040 --> 43:56.920]  This is the rule of law with Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens. We'll be right back to continue the fun.
[43:56.920 --> 43:57.480]  Stay tuned.
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[46:22.360 --> 46:52.040]  Okay, we are back. This is the rule of law
[46:52.040 --> 46:55.320]  with Randy Kelton, and I'm Deborah Stevens. We are here with our very special guest,
[46:55.880 --> 47:00.280]  Mr. Michael Badnerich and Dr. Laura Pressley. We're going to get Michael's comments on this
[47:00.280 --> 47:06.920]  in a little bit shortly here, but we want to go to Randy first to get his comments.
[47:07.640 --> 47:14.280]  This is quite amazing, and one thing that I am pleased about is that this time the AG is going
[47:14.280 --> 47:21.240]  to fight the fight for you, Laura. I mean, you have fought so hard during this entire lawsuit
[47:21.240 --> 47:25.720]  of yours, and it's just been like you've just been put through the wringer here financially
[47:25.720 --> 47:31.960]  in every other way and being on the road all of the time, giving seminars and all these things,
[47:31.960 --> 47:36.840]  going up through the appeals process. So it's about time for you to sit back and relax and maybe,
[47:37.560 --> 47:45.000]  you know, pop some popcorn and see what happens with this case with the AG. But this is just
[47:45.000 --> 47:52.040]  preposterous to me. I mean, it's just over-the-top shenanigans. Michael, I'm sorry, Michael, in just
[47:52.040 --> 47:59.400]  a moment. Randy, what do you have to say about this? Baratree. What did he say? Baratree. That's
[47:59.400 --> 48:11.160]  the way I look at it. The lawyer for the county is charging the county for the time they're putting in
[48:11.160 --> 48:19.000]  on litigating this case. Texas is the only state in the union that has baratree laws.
[48:21.400 --> 48:28.760]  If you are a lawyer and you foment frivolous litigation, that's a felony in Texas.
[48:31.560 --> 48:39.160]  And the lawyers representing the county, even if it's a county attorney or district attorney,
[48:39.160 --> 48:49.880]  when a prosecuting attorney acts as a lawyer for the state or the county or when this lawyer gives
[48:49.880 --> 48:59.320]  legal advice to any public entity, he's not a prosecutor. He's just a lawyer, just like everybody
[48:59.320 --> 49:09.160]  else. And he's subject to malpractice suit. And I mentioned this off the air, and Laura said, well,
[49:09.160 --> 49:14.360]  she's not a party to this suit. Actually, you need to file as a third party intervener
[49:15.320 --> 49:23.160]  because you are in fact the interested party. You are the one being denied in your right here,
[49:23.160 --> 49:29.160]  being denied in your right here. So you absolutely have standing in this case.
[49:30.280 --> 49:33.080]  I have standing because the county's spending my money.
[49:34.280 --> 49:42.360]  They are. But you specifically have standing as you are the third party beneficiary.
[49:43.720 --> 49:50.360]  I'm the female. I mean, there are public information, yes. You might want to file
[49:50.360 --> 49:59.080]  and at least file an amicus curia brief. Because there's a good chance that the attorney general
[49:59.080 --> 50:02.120]  is just going to gloss over this. They're not going to want to have a fight.
[50:04.200 --> 50:09.480]  I filed a request for emails from a JP's office.
[50:11.800 --> 50:18.600]  And I got the most garbage piece of trash from the attorney general I'd ever seen.
[50:18.600 --> 50:26.280]  Absolutely no legal standing whatsoever. And authorized the justice of the peace to withhold
[50:26.280 --> 50:37.240]  the information. But also indicated that this was not, this opinion was not for publication.
[50:39.480 --> 50:42.760]  So you can't trust the attorney general.
[50:42.760 --> 50:50.120]  You can't trust the attorney general. Well, let me ask you something, Randy. Would it help to lobby
[50:50.120 --> 50:55.960]  or in other words hammer the AG's office with like phone calls and emails from like
[50:55.960 --> 50:59.720]  tens of thousands of people all over the state who are interested in this case
[51:00.360 --> 51:07.800]  and to pressure him to fight for this issue? Absolutely. Okay. That's what I thought.
[51:07.800 --> 51:15.960]  An amicus curia, friend of the court. And maybe hammer the governor's office too
[51:15.960 --> 51:18.520]  since the governor is the AG's boss. Is that right?
[51:18.520 --> 51:22.760]  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They're totally separate.
[51:22.760 --> 51:25.880]  Yeah. The attorney general is elected. Oh, okay.
[51:25.880 --> 51:33.000]  Separately. Yeah, yeah. So Randy, what is the timeframe to file for me to file as an interested
[51:33.000 --> 51:39.960]  party? Oh, anytime. Within 30 days or whatever. They're going to file another petition. Okay.
[51:39.960 --> 51:47.320]  Because this is chock full of errors and they will, they have to correct it, especially because-
[51:47.320 --> 51:54.920]  You can, you can file an amicus curiae or you can file as a third party intervener and file a
[51:54.920 --> 52:05.720]  nuns protoc. Nuns protoc just means the documents got errors in it and we want you to fix them.
[52:05.720 --> 52:13.240]  This pleading does not go to substance, but simply to, it doesn't go to the substance of the argument,
[52:13.880 --> 52:20.040]  but rather goes to errors in the document. Oh, okay. What is it? Okay. What would that be
[52:20.040 --> 52:27.880]  called if they don't do it? So what is that called again? It's nuns protoc. N-U-N-C-F.
[52:27.880 --> 52:36.840]  What is N-U-N-C-S? I have to look it up here. But nuns protoc means errors. It's just Latin.
[52:37.640 --> 52:44.360]  Got it. Okay. But it is the legal term. So Randy, just-
[52:44.360 --> 52:50.760]  N-U-N-C-P-R-O-T-U-N-C. So Randy, just one more side question on this attorney general thing.
[52:50.760 --> 52:58.040]  Yeah. I mean, I knew that he was an elected official in Texas, but are you saying that the
[52:58.040 --> 53:03.160]  attorney general takes no direction at all from the governor that he's like a completely separate
[53:03.160 --> 53:09.400]  animal? He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to. Okay. Elected officials don't have bosses.
[53:09.400 --> 53:14.840]  Okay. They are the boss. So he can act completely
[53:14.840 --> 53:19.480]  separate and independent from the governor altogether. Yes. Okay. So then obviously he's
[53:19.480 --> 53:25.400]  the one that we need to hammer. So yeah, he's totally accountable to us because he's elected.
[53:25.400 --> 53:34.120]  Absolutely. And he's under fire anyway. So he is going to be uniquely sensitive to politics.
[53:34.120 --> 53:39.960]  And the most politically powerful people who are around are you and I.
[53:40.680 --> 53:44.760]  And so maybe also going to the media might help with this
[53:44.760 --> 53:47.480]  because it's going to put him under the spotlight even more.
[53:48.360 --> 53:52.840]  Absolutely. Well, let me tell you what has happened with the media. This was really
[53:52.840 --> 53:57.080]  interesting that happened when this thing got filed. It got filed a week, almost a week ago Friday.
[53:57.080 --> 54:05.400]  And the statesman, the Austin American statesman did an article and he completely got it wrong.
[54:05.400 --> 54:12.520]  They said that the Travis County was suing on my behalf. I'm like, that's not right.
[54:12.520 --> 54:20.440]  And so it's really amazing how, you know, I can understand the fake news issues that people have
[54:20.440 --> 54:25.560]  right now because this story was published in the Austin American statesman. It was published
[54:25.560 --> 54:34.520]  online, completely factually, just off the mark. And I called them and they had not even read the
[54:34.520 --> 54:40.280]  petition. They didn't have a copy of it. And they were making comments that were just hearsay and
[54:40.280 --> 54:44.680]  absolutely false. They had to completely change the title of the article online and completely
[54:44.680 --> 54:49.080]  rewrite it. Oh, so they did rewrite the article.
[54:49.080 --> 54:55.800]  They did rewrite it. And it really, and it was actually in the end, you know, I said,
[54:55.800 --> 55:04.120]  what is Travis County trying to hide? So it does look really odd that these requests were made,
[55:04.120 --> 55:09.400]  you know, by other, in other counties. Nobody else has asked for an AG opinion.
[55:10.440 --> 55:16.440]  And Travis County is, you know, kicking little disguise falling and terrorists are going to
[55:16.440 --> 55:22.120]  attack our servers if we let these three emails out with nine pages of whatever's in there.
[55:23.320 --> 55:32.280]  It is just over the top. So, you know, the press has, you know, we're real protected in Austin.
[55:32.280 --> 55:39.160]  They censor real stories. They censor anything that challenges the status quo in Travis County.
[55:39.800 --> 55:44.040]  Well, I think that going to the media in other areas,
[55:44.040 --> 55:50.840]  since you've traveled around the state and have contacts, I mean, the attorney general is elected
[55:50.840 --> 55:58.440]  by the entire electorate of the state of Texas. And Austin is a drop in the bucket, sort of,
[55:58.440 --> 56:05.320]  compared to the population of when you're looking at the Dallas, Arlington, Fort Worth area.
[56:05.320 --> 56:09.800]  And like you said, Harris County, which is the third largest county in the nation.
[56:09.800 --> 56:16.920]  And then you've got San Antonio. I mean, once you start adding up all these big cities, major cities
[56:16.920 --> 56:23.640]  in Texas, they kind of dwarf Austin. So I think we need to be going to the media in some of these
[56:23.640 --> 56:31.400]  other areas, too. Let everybody in the state know about it. What is, and to put the pressure on our
[56:31.400 --> 56:41.480]  AG to see if he's going to fight or not. Yeah. Well, I think it's interesting that Travis County has
[56:41.480 --> 56:44.520]  claimed that their systems are so vulnerable and they're sending all this
[56:44.520 --> 56:49.400]  confidential information supposedly that, well, the AG disagrees with them.
[56:49.400 --> 56:54.840]  AG has seen them and they're disagreeing. Well, let me ask you another question. As far as
[56:54.840 --> 57:05.560]  the county doing this, who in the county is elected that can be held accountable for making
[57:05.560 --> 57:13.240]  these decisions? This is the county attorney, David Escamilla. Is he elected? Is he elected?
[57:13.240 --> 57:21.400]  He's elected. Yes, he's the county attorney. Okay. And he's elected. So that's the.
[57:21.400 --> 57:35.320]  Wait a minute. Is he the county prosecutor? Yes. Okay. His elected position has nothing to do
[57:36.360 --> 57:42.280]  with his representation of the county. Yeah. That's where I was going to. Did this county
[57:42.280 --> 57:49.000]  attorney unilaterally make this decision or if he is representing the county, which is different
[57:49.000 --> 57:55.560]  from his elected position as a prosecutor, who in the county is making these decisions
[57:56.120 --> 58:01.560]  to do this and then having the county attorney represent the county? Is it the county commissioners
[58:01.560 --> 58:07.720]  that have made this decision or do we even know? That's a good question.
[58:10.120 --> 58:15.160]  That is a good question. Because perhaps the county attorney. The county attorney is the
[58:15.160 --> 58:23.160]  plaintiff. The county attorney is the plaintiff. The county attorney doesn't have standing to be
[58:23.160 --> 58:31.080]  the plaintiff. This is very interesting. That's a good point. Actually, that is a good point.
[58:31.080 --> 58:34.360]  I mean, it would seem to me that the county commissioners would be the ones to make a
[58:34.360 --> 58:39.000]  decision like this and then have the county attorney represent. Anyways, we need to delve
[58:39.000 --> 58:42.440]  into this some more. We are at the top of the hour. However, this is the rule of law.
[58:42.440 --> 58:46.760]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens. We're here with Dr. Laura Presley and Michael Badnerich. We'll be right back.
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[01:04:52.040 --> 01:05:08.760]  Okay, folks, we are back. This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens here with Dr.
[01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:13.640]  Laura Pressley and Michael Badmereck. And we are going to continue to research into this,
[01:05:14.200 --> 01:05:21.080]  hmm, things that make you go, hmm, about the county attorney filing this lawsuit. Is that
[01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:28.600]  something that is legally correct? So, at any rate, we are going to research that at more length
[01:05:28.600 --> 01:05:34.040]  later. And so, right now, I would like to bring Michael Badmereck into the conversation, get his
[01:05:34.040 --> 01:05:38.680]  thoughts on the matter. So, Michael, what do you have to say about all these shenanigans with
[01:05:38.680 --> 01:05:45.080]  Travis County and this public information request? Well, I will stick to my area of expertise,
[01:05:45.080 --> 01:05:53.720]  which is computers. And I know for a fact that if you are storing, you know, the results of the
[01:05:53.720 --> 01:06:01.800]  totals electronically in a machine, they can be modified. Everybody is familiar with remote
[01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:09.000]  control for the TV, turn the TV on and off, volume up and down, channel up and down. What is so hard
[01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:15.880]  to believe that you could have a voting machine that accurately collects the votes and then at
[01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:23.720]  7.01 when the polls close, somebody across the room had a little device that can set the results
[01:06:23.720 --> 01:06:32.600]  to anything they want. When you ask for a recount, the computer can only print the previous answer.
[01:06:32.600 --> 01:06:38.280]  You are not counting, you know, physical ballots again. There is no tangible evidence.
[01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:44.840]  We are not going to talk about that switch that is in the Diebold machine that reverses
[01:06:46.200 --> 01:06:48.920]  votes of minorities. We are not even going to talk about that one.
[01:06:49.640 --> 01:06:57.080]  Okay. Well, the other thing is that in 2004, I ran for President of the United States.
[01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:08.120]  And my friend, David Cobb, was the Green Party candidate. Now, in Ohio, there were several
[01:07:08.120 --> 01:07:17.160]  voting precincts which showed that David Cobb got zero votes, which I suppose if you are a
[01:07:17.160 --> 01:07:24.680]  third party candidate, that is a possibility. However, David Cobb had 25 people who were
[01:07:24.680 --> 01:07:31.320]  willing to sign sworn affidavits saying that they had voted for David Cobb, the Green Party candidate.
[01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:40.120]  And even if David wasn't going to win, those 25 votes should at least have registered someplace
[01:07:40.120 --> 01:07:49.240]  and they didn't. And so David Cobb and I went in and did a joint lawsuit. The lawyer was willing
[01:07:49.240 --> 01:07:57.720]  to take the case only if two of us were involved because he didn't want to appear to be supporting
[01:07:57.720 --> 01:08:02.920]  a political party. Yeah. And you and the Green Party are like totally opposite.
[01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:09.960]  Yeah. I mean, I like David. He's a great guy. We disagree on philosophy. But the important thing
[01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:18.760]  here is the vote that we had documented evidence that votes were cashed and not recorded for David
[01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:26.760]  and probably for me as well. And we subsequently had a lawsuit. We did a vote recount
[01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:34.680]  and because of the vote recount, we were able to put two county clerks and I believe the
[01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:43.400]  secretary of state in jail for a period of time for vote fraud. Now that information that gets out
[01:08:43.400 --> 01:08:51.400]  very often, but you know, it does happen. I mean, there has been vote fraud ever since Julius Caesar.
[01:08:51.400 --> 01:09:00.840]  I mean, anybody who thinks that the people who are collecting the votes are doing so honestly
[01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:08.680]  and legitimately, I will sell you oceanfront property in Arizona. So the question is not
[01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:15.400]  whether there is vote fraud. The question is just how deep does it go? And until we have
[01:09:15.400 --> 01:09:23.320]  hand counted paper ballots, you're not going to get anywhere close to what the general public
[01:09:23.320 --> 01:09:30.440]  has actually voted for. Well, that's pretty impressive, Michael, that y'all did have some
[01:09:30.440 --> 01:09:36.680]  accountability and some justice that was served with that election fraud. I mean, that is pretty,
[01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:40.840]  that is really impressive. Can you tell me a little bit about the recount that y'all did?
[01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:50.040]  Was it, this was in 2004? It wasn't, well, the recount was in 2005 after the 2004 election.
[01:09:50.040 --> 01:09:58.840]  Right. It was a 2004 equipment. Yeah. Right. And so did y'all do a, what type of votes were those
[01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:06.120]  25 votes? Were they absentee paper votes or were they electronic votes? I don't remember that far
[01:10:06.120 --> 01:10:13.240]  back. Whether they were electronic or paper was pretty much irrelevant. But if you had 25
[01:10:14.040 --> 01:10:21.000]  people swearing an affidavit said they did vote for David and they weren't registered anywhere,
[01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:27.560]  then there's a flaw. It depends though. It depends. If it was, if it was a paper ballot,
[01:10:28.280 --> 01:10:34.440]  then if it was an absentee error that they could claim they just threw a bunch of paper away,
[01:10:34.440 --> 01:10:40.600]  that is one thing, especially when, you know, the majority of votes are not cast on paper.
[01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:46.680]  So it's, the bigger issue is the electronic, which is about 90% of votes are cast electronically.
[01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:54.440]  And so it kind of, it's not intuitive, but it is an interesting kind of trying to decide which
[01:10:55.240 --> 01:11:02.120]  mechanism is what's faulted. Was it the electronic system that was at fault, which means a huge
[01:11:02.120 --> 01:11:08.840]  huge stuff. Yeah. Laura, will you kind of, this is exactly irrelevant to your issue. You kind of
[01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:16.040]  explain what it is specifically you're asking that clerk for, because it goes exactly to this issue.
[01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:23.880]  Exactly what we're asking for in the public information request or, or, or on how to
[01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:33.080]  your issue about being able to verify the, the vote count. Yeah. So that was in our lawsuit,
[01:11:33.080 --> 01:11:39.240]  that, that election contest that we filed, you know, in 2015 and, you know, for the 2014 election.
[01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:45.240]  Yeah. So, so Michael, we had, you know, we had paper ballots in that election and we had
[01:11:45.240 --> 01:11:51.560]  electronic ballots and the paper ballots were exactly tied 50 50. I mean, it was, it was,
[01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:59.240]  they were exactly tied 50 50. I mean, it was just dead nuts, just exactly tied up where the
[01:11:59.240 --> 01:12:04.520]  electronic results were, where the two to one difference came into play and supposedly, you
[01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.840]  know, the record shows that I lost and I don't believe it because it's not consistent with all
[01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:16.280]  the polls that we had done and all the data we have. So the electronic results are the most
[01:12:16.280 --> 01:12:22.520]  insidious because 90% of people vote electronically and all you have to do is plug in a memory card
[01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:28.600]  that has a downloadable program on it and you can into the main computer where all these memory
[01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:32.920]  cards from all the precincts are merging to one computer at the county. You don't need,
[01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:37.240]  you don't need to hack the computers at the precincts. All you have to do is hack the one
[01:12:37.240 --> 01:12:42.840]  computer where the hundreds of memory cards are merging to one place. And that's what we found.
[01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:49.720]  There were corrupted corruption errors on these memory cards at the main counting computer.
[01:12:50.280 --> 01:12:55.720]  And this is, you know, one of the things we wanted to check for the 2016 primary and
[01:12:55.720 --> 01:13:01.080]  elections that were coming up in November for 2016. What were some communications that were
[01:13:01.080 --> 01:13:06.440]  going on with hard inner civic and in Travis County and you know, what was, what, what kind
[01:13:06.440 --> 01:13:14.440]  of conversations were being had over email? And so the electronic corruption is the most insidious
[01:13:14.440 --> 01:13:19.560]  and has the biggest impact because that's where all the votes, 90% of the votes are being cast
[01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:26.920]  in a distance of five minutes to download the program. It's all electronic and all I have to
[01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:33.880]  do is walk by with a magnet and you can destroy all those votes. There's no possible way to do
[01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:40.120]  a recount. It's literally impossible because you don't have any tangible evidence to look at.
[01:13:40.120 --> 01:13:45.560]  That's right. And that's the basis of our lawsuits. And there's all these backup records that
[01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:51.800]  state of Texas requires for these electronic loading machines. And there's paper backup records
[01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:57.800]  that are required and the county had not one of them. Okay. They did not have these tapes that
[01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:03.000]  are supposed to record the votes before the machines leave the building at the precinct.
[01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:07.480]  They didn't have those tapes. They told the county judges, the election judges don't print
[01:14:07.480 --> 01:14:13.160]  the tapes, even though it's state law. They told them, you know, we don't, we don't have legal
[01:14:13.160 --> 01:14:20.840]  ballots for recount. Okay. The law requires certain criteria to be on an official ballot.
[01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:25.560]  They couldn't produce ballots. They can produce an official ballot to do a recount. So just trust
[01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:34.120]  the computer. Don't worry, go back to sleep. Exactly. I know. So, you know, we've, we're,
[01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:42.840]  we're just trying to, you know, we're working with legislators across the state. There's multiple
[01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:50.040]  election integrity bills that have been submitted in this legislature and we need, you know, support
[01:14:50.040 --> 01:14:54.760]  for these. There's a, there's a good bill that's been introduced into the house. There's a good
[01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:59.320]  bill that's been introduced into the Senate and another bill that's been a really good one that's
[01:14:59.320 --> 01:15:04.600]  been introduced into the Senate. And we're hoping that those things move through and we actually
[01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:10.600]  can get them out of committee and get a vote on them because we have a lot of issues in Texas.
[01:15:11.160 --> 01:15:20.280]  This raises a question from the perspective of what I do. You have a clerk that heads the election
[01:15:20.280 --> 01:15:28.680]  commission directing people to do something that's in violation of law. That's right, Randy.
[01:15:29.480 --> 01:15:38.600]  Isn't that official oppression? It is. By definition, have you appealed this to a grand jury?
[01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:47.800]  Well. To every grand jury. We have not and it has to do with bandwidth because,
[01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:54.040]  you know, we went through the district court with an election contest and then we did that with an
[01:15:54.040 --> 01:16:02.040]  appeal. And basically there's a constitutional issue that is really at question here with this,
[01:16:02.040 --> 01:16:06.920]  with our case. And it has to do with the constitutional requirement that a ballot have a
[01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:11.880]  number on it. And the reason we have numbers on ballots, and that law has been there since the
[01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:16.520]  1800s, is so you can track and trace to make sure you don't have extra ones and you don't have
[01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:23.160]  extra ones and you don't have some that are missing. And so the state constitution requires
[01:16:23.160 --> 01:16:27.800]  this thing to have a number on it. And everything that Travis County produced to us, there's no
[01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:34.200]  number. So we don't know where they came from. It's under constitutional question. Who produced
[01:16:34.200 --> 01:16:41.400]  these ballots? Who ordered the printing of the ballots? We did in the recount and the county
[01:16:41.400 --> 01:16:48.440]  clerk printed them and produced them without a number. Then have you filed criminal complaint
[01:16:48.440 --> 01:16:54.520]  charges against the county clerk? No, we don't have the bandwidth to do that. We're doing
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[01:19:27.480 --> 01:19:48.520]  We are back. This is the rule of law. We're here with Dr. Laura Presley and Michael Benneri
[01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:53.960]  talking about election fraud and lawsuits and now we're getting into criminal complaints
[01:19:53.960 --> 01:20:00.360]  and yes, dear Laura has been spending almost all her time almost every single waking moment
[01:20:00.360 --> 01:20:06.520]  dealing with her election contest and traveling the state, educating people, rallying the troops,
[01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:11.240]  raising funds. She does not have the bandwidth to pursue the criminal side no matter how much a
[01:20:11.240 --> 01:20:18.520]  piece of cake it is or may seem to you, Randi. So yeah, if you want to go that route, hey Randi,
[01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:26.600]  you can because anybody who has reason to believe that a crime has been committed,
[01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:33.560]  go ahead, file a criminal complaint and you can get some sworn affidavits after the fact and I
[01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:39.960]  say go for it because I'd like to hear more about how we can hold these people's feet to the fire,
[01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:45.400]  not just in the civil realm and I know, Randi, you say very often that, oh, you don't really
[01:20:45.400 --> 01:20:49.320]  want to get them fired. You don't really want to get them thrown in jail. Okay, speak for yourself
[01:20:49.320 --> 01:20:57.080]  because I do because they should be thrown in jail. They are criminals and they are hijacking
[01:20:57.080 --> 01:21:03.000]  our entire election. They're hijacking our government, our representation. Laura should
[01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:10.680]  be on city council right now and there are devastating effects in Austin on many levels
[01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:17.080]  right now because Laura is not where she should be, not the least of which there's still poison
[01:21:17.080 --> 01:21:23.000]  in our water, the hydrofluorosilic acid which is not fluoride. Okay, that's one thing that we could
[01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:27.720]  have made great headway for and we're talking public health here. We're talking, you know,
[01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:34.680]  people's health, people's lives, babies that are brain damaged over this. Okay, so yeah, people do
[01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:41.480]  need to be in jail because they are damaging people's health and also there's all these crazy
[01:21:41.480 --> 01:21:49.880]  riots going on over this supposed sanctuary city madness and that's being spearheaded by
[01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:56.440]  Khazar. So yeah, people do. He's the guy we've got the lawsuit against. He, you know, we're, our data
[01:21:56.440 --> 01:22:03.480]  and our evidence says he should not be there and he is inciting riots. Inciting riots. He's had to
[01:22:03.480 --> 01:22:11.720]  backpedal on, you know, his own social media and, you know, and I'll say something Deborah, it was
[01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:17.480]  just two miles from my house, this riot, okay, that he helped incite and he had to backpedal
[01:22:17.480 --> 01:22:23.400]  because he was egging that on. Yeah, he should be in jail too for inciting riots. He should.
[01:22:23.400 --> 01:22:28.360]  He should for what he did in our neighborhood over here. I mean, it is unconscionable what he did.
[01:22:28.360 --> 01:22:36.440]  So yeah, you can't just, you can't just go around and damage people's life, liberty and property
[01:22:36.440 --> 01:22:43.240]  without consequences and just, you know, trying to work some maneuver and then scaring them the
[01:22:43.240 --> 01:22:47.640]  pants off of them or whatever to make them change. I mean, look, at a certain point,
[01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:55.480]  we need to make examples out of people. They should be in jail and they should lose their job.
[01:22:55.480 --> 01:23:01.320]  Okay. And case in point, what happened with Michael Badnerich? So Michael, why don't you
[01:23:01.320 --> 01:23:07.800]  tell us a little bit more about how these people ended up, they ended up landing in jail,
[01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:17.880]  which is where they belong. This was 16 years ago. The details are fuzzy in my head.
[01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:22.920]  That's okay. David Cobb was the Green Party candidate for President of the United States.
[01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:32.440]  A buddy of mine, we campaigned side by side for quite some time. And in Ohio, David had several
[01:23:32.440 --> 01:23:40.680]  people who signed affidavits saying that they had voted for him in a given precinct. And the official
[01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:50.600]  precinct totals were zero for the Green Party candidate. And a lot of people were upset that
[01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:55.560]  that David and I were filing this lawsuit. They said, well, you guys are never going to win.
[01:23:56.600 --> 01:24:03.400]  And that clearly wasn't our intention. We knew that we were not going to win the election
[01:24:03.400 --> 01:24:09.320]  with the recount. What we were trying to do is demonstrate that there was legitimate evidence
[01:24:09.320 --> 01:24:21.160]  that vote fraud had occurred and was occurring. And we were able to create enough evidence to
[01:24:21.160 --> 01:24:32.360]  generate an investigation. And that investigation subsequently led to, if I recall, Secretary of
[01:24:32.360 --> 01:24:41.480]  State and six of the county clerks all going to jail for some period of time, probably not long
[01:24:41.480 --> 01:24:49.080]  enough. But it was a small victory that went unreported. And where was this? Where did this
[01:24:49.080 --> 01:24:58.520]  happen? This was in Ohio. And again, I don't even remember what county it was in. Most of my
[01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:11.240]  participation was over the phone. I know that the attorney who took the case was doing it pro bono.
[01:25:11.240 --> 01:25:22.040]  And he insisted that there be at least two of us named in the lawsuit because he wanted to avoid
[01:25:22.040 --> 01:25:28.440]  any indication that if he was supporting a libertarian candidate or supporting a green
[01:25:28.440 --> 01:25:35.800]  party candidate, it might look as though he had some political leanings. And so he wanted to make
[01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:42.040]  sure that there were two political candidates so that he couldn't be accused of favoring one party
[01:25:42.040 --> 01:25:48.440]  or the other. Right. Right. Well, it's just amazing. We've got to make examples of these
[01:25:48.440 --> 01:25:54.680]  people. And I was going to make a comment regarding what you said earlier, Laura, talking about where
[01:25:54.680 --> 01:26:01.320]  these absentee votes are not. And as you were saying, you know, 90% of the votes are cast on
[01:26:01.320 --> 01:26:06.680]  these machines. And I would wager to say that probably those statistics could be applied to
[01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:14.200]  those 25 people. I doubt that hardly any of them were absentee so that the election people could
[01:26:14.200 --> 01:26:20.200]  just say, oh, well, we lost them. I mean, even if they lost him, that's still indicative of
[01:26:20.200 --> 01:26:25.240]  recklessness and negligence at the least for which they should be thrown in jail because these are
[01:26:25.240 --> 01:26:32.360]  our elections. But apparently, whatever happened, they were not able to make enough excuses to get
[01:26:32.360 --> 01:26:38.680]  out of the slammer, at least for a certain period of time. So Randy, you were going to talk about
[01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:44.920]  going after these people criminally here in Texas over what happened with Laura. So why don't you
[01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:51.400]  talk a little bit about that strategy? I'm trying to get people to understand
[01:26:51.400 --> 01:26:57.880]  a different paradigm. We have an issue with public officials and public officials do what
[01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:02.680]  public officials do. And then we go sue them to try to get them to do what they're supposed to do.
[01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:10.040]  Well, let's go back to Scalia in Montgomery Vista. I think it's the US v. Montgomery.
[01:27:11.240 --> 01:27:19.000]  He said that while the district court consecrates a grand jury, once the grand jury is impaneled,
[01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:26.920]  it becomes a fourth branch of government, not beholden to the executive or the judicial.
[01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:33.400]  Well, same thing in Texas. Once that grand jury is put in place,
[01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:40.280]  it's separate. So I told Bob Perkins, head criminal district judge for Travis County,
[01:27:40.280 --> 01:27:44.120]  when I was trying to get all the highest judges in Texas put in front of the grand jury,
[01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:48.360]  that he said I should file with the Sheriff's Department. I said, I did that. He threw it in
[01:27:48.360 --> 01:27:53.640]  the trash. He said, well, you should appeal for a writ of mandamus. I said, don't ask me to appeal.
[01:27:53.640 --> 01:28:01.160]  You go before a corrupt judge and he renders a bogus ruling and they say, oh, that's okay.
[01:28:01.160 --> 01:28:05.160]  You can go before a whole panel of corrupt judges and they'll really screw your royal.
[01:28:06.120 --> 01:28:11.160]  And Bob Perkins, I really liked Bob Perkins. He's a good man. I know him very well.
[01:28:11.160 --> 01:28:16.200]  Yes. Yeah. I really enjoyed him. He said, well, Mr. Kelton, I don't think it's quite that bad.
[01:28:16.200 --> 01:28:22.120]  So that's because you're not pro se. I got a better idea. I'll appeal to the grand jury.
[01:28:22.120 --> 01:28:26.920]  He said, well, Mr. Kelton, you can't appeal to the grand jury. Sure, I can. I can appeal to the
[01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:33.320]  grand jury to indict the sheriff for felony shielding from prosecution violation 3805 penal
[01:28:33.320 --> 01:28:41.160]  code. He sat back in his chair and I know what he was thinking. If I have my bailiff shoot this guy,
[01:28:41.160 --> 01:28:50.440]  can I get away with it? Yes. So Randy, so that is, that is the point there. You are not only
[01:28:50.440 --> 01:28:56.440]  a litigant, you are the master. And you missed that part earlier in the show. I was talking to
[01:28:56.440 --> 01:29:03.720]  Michael about it. When we walk into a courtroom, you and I, we got two hats. The judge has got two
[01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:11.080]  hats. He's got a judge's hat and a magistrate's hat. You've got two hats. You are, because of
[01:29:11.080 --> 01:29:18.760]  that second hat, the baddest motor scooter in the building. You're not a judge, a prosecutor, a clerk,
[01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:28.600]  a bailiff. They're all public servants. You, you are the master of those servants. And when one of
[01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:33.640]  those servants step across one of your legal lines, your litigant's hat needs to come off
[01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:42.840]  and your master's hat needs to come on. And in referring to what Debra said earlier about
[01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:48.680]  me not necessarily wanting to get him indicted, I think of my public, my public officials like I do
[01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:57.080]  my grandkids. I loved it dearly. But if one of them runs out in the road, I'm fixing tan his hide
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[01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:26.440]  Okay folks, we are back. This is the rule of law, Raina Kelton, Deborah Stevens. We're here with
[01:33:26.440 --> 01:33:32.520]  Dr. Laura Presley and Michael Badneric. We're talking about this election fraud and this bizarre
[01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:37.560]  lawsuit that the Travis County attorney has filed against the Texas attorney general over these
[01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:44.680]  public information requests that have been denied to Laura. And Randy is about to get into discussing
[01:33:45.240 --> 01:33:53.160]  going after these criminals with criminal complaints as rightly we should. And you know,
[01:33:53.160 --> 01:33:59.160]  Randy, you mentioned earlier that a lot of people sue public officials to try to get them to do
[01:33:59.160 --> 01:34:04.280]  what they're supposed to do and stuff like that. And you've got your different method of stinging
[01:34:04.280 --> 01:34:09.560]  them criminally. And that is just awesome. I just wanted to just make a side note here that that's
[01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:17.240]  not what Laura did or is doing with her lawsuit. She didn't sue Travis County over this. She filed
[01:34:17.240 --> 01:34:23.800]  an election contest against her opponent so that she could have a proper election that was held
[01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:28.600]  legitimately so that she could get her place on city council so she can do what she needs to do
[01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:34.600]  to serve all of us. And so I just wanted to just put that out there that what she did is not filing
[01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:41.160]  lawsuits against public servants to, you know, change things. And boy, she has been stinging
[01:34:41.160 --> 01:34:49.160]  them up and down in all kinds of ways, both behind the scenes and in front of the scenes.
[01:34:49.160 --> 01:34:54.920]  So she could teach us all a lot about how to sting these people. And Randy, you've got your
[01:34:54.920 --> 01:35:01.800]  stinging methods too. So let's hear some more about how, you know, what charges can we bring
[01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:08.360]  against them under the penal code? And I want to hear how you're going to do it because you're going
[01:35:08.360 --> 01:35:12.680]  to be the one filing these criminal complaints because Laura's bandwidth is maxed out right now.
[01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:20.120]  So tell us about how can we charge these people? Okay. Any time an official exerts or purports to
[01:35:20.120 --> 01:35:27.160]  exert an authority and they do not express they have or fails to perform a duty, they are required
[01:35:27.160 --> 01:35:32.040]  to perform it in the process denies a citizen full free access to or enjoyment. Right, that's
[01:35:32.040 --> 01:35:39.000]  class A misdemeanor in Texas. Next thing to a felony, you're in prison, $10,000 fine. It's a big
[01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:47.640]  deal. So what I'd like to do is, this is all, this is really politics. I don't expect a grand jury to
[01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:54.600]  actually indict. I have criminal charges against my district judge, first degree felony aggravated
[01:35:54.600 --> 01:36:01.960]  assault charges before my district judge because he had a beta touch me. I have criminal charges
[01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:06.520]  against the Texas ranger and the director of the department of public safety because they set up a
[01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:15.880]  policy that causes the ranger to violate law. And I don't care that ranger acted in good faith,
[01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:25.640]  life is tough. It adds a different political dynamic. Okay. So Randy, so Randy, in this situation,
[01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:33.160]  who would these official oppression charges be levied against and for what reason?
[01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:40.440]  Well, firstly, the clerk, the county clerk, the county clerk, whoever was required to produce
[01:36:40.440 --> 01:36:46.840]  these documents with numbers on them. And she produced them without numbers on them. And the
[01:36:46.840 --> 01:36:54.280]  law requires that they have numbers on it. Well, you can sue to get her to do what she was supposed
[01:36:54.280 --> 01:37:01.560]  to do, but that's separate. She was required to do that by statute. Now, if I'm required to do
[01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:09.880]  something by statute, I can do it. I'm going to get a ticket or go to jail. Randy, Laura was trying to tell you something.
[01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:17.800]  Randy, we, you know, we did discovery and we repeatedly asked for production of the legal
[01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:23.400]  ballot and they said, we can't give you the legal balance, but we can give you this. So that was,
[01:37:23.400 --> 01:37:30.600]  you know, we went through this in court. We requested it correctly. That's statutory admission.
[01:37:32.120 --> 01:37:38.040]  Now, okay. I would be glad. I'll take these. I need a kind of a timeline of what went on and
[01:37:38.040 --> 01:37:47.720]  I'll look at it and I will pick out the most minuscule, nitpicking BS complaints that I can file.
[01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:52.760]  And I'll make up a set of complaints and send them to every county in the state of Texas,
[01:37:53.400 --> 01:38:00.760]  to every grand jury in every county in the state of Texas. Because the way I read the code,
[01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:06.760]  the district judge who impanels the grand jury has a venue restriction,
[01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:14.760]  but I can't find anywhere where that venue restriction is imposed upon the grand jury.
[01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:21.000]  And then when I get these letters back from prosecutors, giving me a bunch of song and dance
[01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:24.520]  and seltzer down your pants, then I'll file a complaint against the prosecutor.
[01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:33.320]  I will create so much politics. You know, these public officials, they don't feel like they'll
[01:38:33.320 --> 01:38:39.880]  really get indicted, but you never know who's going to be on that grand jury.
[01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:46.040]  Yeah, a case in point. They got indicted and thrown in jail in Michael's case. So Randy, listen,
[01:38:46.040 --> 01:38:51.160]  I have another question for you. We started to mention on one of the last breaks concerning
[01:38:51.160 --> 01:38:58.360]  statute of limitations. You said that there is a way around that if the technical statute of
[01:38:58.360 --> 01:39:04.280]  limitations has passed, you said something about being in office or something. Can you please
[01:39:04.280 --> 01:39:07.560]  explain that? Yeah, there was a judge in Chicago,
[01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:13.480]  corrupt. And if you're a public official in Chicago, corrupt comes with the territory,
[01:39:13.480 --> 01:39:20.440]  but he was a real scoundrel. He was in for 20 years. He gets out and someone filed a complaint
[01:39:20.440 --> 01:39:26.680]  against him from something he had done 10 or 15 years earlier. And he alleged statute of limitations
[01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:33.800]  and the fed swooped in and said, absolutely not. As long as you're in office, the clock doesn't
[01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:41.080]  start because you're in office. You're part of the system. You have undue influence.
[01:39:41.080 --> 01:39:45.240]  So it doesn't start until you get out. Okay. So you're saying that the statute
[01:39:45.240 --> 01:39:53.480]  of limitations clock doesn't start when the event happened. It starts when they leave office.
[01:39:53.480 --> 01:40:00.200]  Yes. But in the end, we don't care. Is this federal case law or you said
[01:40:00.200 --> 01:40:05.320]  Chicago? This is federal due process. Okay.
[01:40:05.320 --> 01:40:08.040]  It's federal due process. So it goes to due process.
[01:40:08.040 --> 01:40:15.160]  So this would apply to all the states as well. But even that, we don't care. We just don't care.
[01:40:15.160 --> 01:40:21.880]  This is political. You're putting a possibility that this guy's going to get indicted. Now,
[01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:28.120]  that's a whole different animal than losing your civil lawsuit. The government suits the
[01:40:28.120 --> 01:40:34.520]  lawsuit. The government sued the tobacco companies six times and lost or five times are lost.
[01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:43.640]  Then the sixth time they sued under Rico and all these officials said, whoa, hold on here.
[01:40:44.440 --> 01:40:49.000]  We could wind up going to jail. They quickly came to the table.
[01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:55.240]  Imagine that. Yeah. It changes the dynamic. These guys
[01:40:55.240 --> 01:41:01.240]  are using your tax money to fight you. Yeah. That was another thing you mentioned earlier,
[01:41:01.240 --> 01:41:06.200]  Randy, that you have standing to file some kind of lawsuit against the county attorney for
[01:41:06.200 --> 01:41:15.000]  using up tax dollars in a frivolous lawsuit. Exactly. If the attorney filed in his own name,
[01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:19.640]  using my money. Then you file against him personally.
[01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:27.160]  No, that's baritone. That's Texas. Texas is the only state in the country that has baritone laws.
[01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:35.560]  If a lawyer foam in litigation in Texas, that's a felony. So we go after the prosecutor for baritone.
[01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:41.720]  Now the likelihood of getting him indicted somewhere between little and none, but we don't
[01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:48.840]  care. This is all political. His next opponent is going to hold up those baritone charges
[01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.880]  and wave them at the public when he runs for election again.
[01:41:53.480 --> 01:41:59.400]  You're not going to make these public officials afraid of you. What you're going to make them
[01:41:59.400 --> 01:42:06.840]  afraid of is the political cannon fodder that you can give their next opponent to use against it.
[01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:11.560]  Well, listen, Randy, in Travis County, we've managed to crowbar the situation,
[01:42:11.560 --> 01:42:17.080]  or mostly you have, to where the district attorney steps out of the way and lets you
[01:42:17.080 --> 01:42:22.520]  actually get the criminal charges to the grand jury. So it's on their docket.
[01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:28.920]  It's on their docket as being filed, and it'll be on the minutes of the grand jury
[01:42:30.040 --> 01:42:37.720]  at a certain point as to whether they decided to no-bill or to indict. So even if they no-bill,
[01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:43.240]  at least it's part of the record that an opponent in an election could say,
[01:42:43.240 --> 01:42:48.280]  yeah, well, you know, the only reason he got no billed is because he's got political pull,
[01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:53.720]  but still these charges were levied against him in front of a grand jury.
[01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:57.560]  I mean, it's something that can be, I mean, it's damaging.
[01:42:58.200 --> 01:43:01.960]  In the end, perception is everything.
[01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:03.800]  And who knows? We might get him thrown in jail.
[01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:10.520]  My last set of criminal charges were thrown out by the court to protect my lawyer from me,
[01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:15.080]  because I was going after my own lawyer. This is how we get...
[01:43:15.080 --> 01:43:18.120]  So, Randy, are there any other charges other than official oppression?
[01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:24.040]  Oh, let me look at, I'll look at the case. I will find lots of them.
[01:43:24.040 --> 01:43:26.120]  I'm sure you will.
[01:43:26.120 --> 01:43:30.120]  Finding stacks of criminal charges is not hard.
[01:43:30.120 --> 01:43:33.080]  Not a problem for Randy. All right, well, we're going to break again.
[01:43:33.080 --> 01:43:37.400]  We've got one more segment left, and I want to get some more comments from Michael
[01:43:37.400 --> 01:43:41.320]  and Dr. Laura Pressley when we get back on the other side.
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[01:46:54.760 --> 01:47:20.280]  Okay, folks, we are back. We're in our final segment with Dr. Presley and Michael Badnerich
[01:47:20.280 --> 01:47:26.040]  here, and we're going to discuss some call to action here in just a moment
[01:47:26.040 --> 01:47:32.600]  so that folks can get involved and, you know, have some peace of mind about the situation
[01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:36.120]  and what we're going to do about it. But, Randy, you had some comments first?
[01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:47.320]  Yes, I had a devious thought on the break. 39.02 Texas Penal Code was changed in, I think, 2012,
[01:47:47.320 --> 01:47:56.680]  where it gave the attorney general concurrent jurisdiction on complaints against public officials.
[01:47:57.720 --> 01:48:03.800]  So one place to file the criminal complaint, the attorney general, and in this case,
[01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:07.400]  he will already be intimately aware of the details.
[01:48:07.400 --> 01:48:11.160]  You're saying file the criminal complaint with the AG's office?
[01:48:11.160 --> 01:48:17.000]  Yes, and the last time I did that, he said, oh, well, you have to file the criminal complaint
[01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:21.800]  to file that with the prosecutor. I said, guys, you ain't read the code lately.
[01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:27.640]  That they think that they have to ask the prosecutor's permission. They no longer have
[01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:33.560]  to do that in this special case. And the code says, as a prosecuting attorney,
[01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:38.760]  he's made known in any manner that a public official violated a law relating to his office.
[01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:42.120]  He shall reduce complaints and information submitted to the grand jury.
[01:48:42.120 --> 01:48:50.280]  So the attorney general has been made known. He has a duty to file with the grand jury.
[01:48:50.280 --> 01:48:55.000]  All right. Well, we want to be careful and not really try to go after the AG too much
[01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:59.800]  because he's acting on our side this time. We want to encourage him to do the right thing,
[01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:07.000]  as it were. I guess we can think about that and brainstorm about that later.
[01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:14.280]  We're coming up to the end of the show here. So we want to have some call to action here,
[01:49:14.280 --> 01:49:18.680]  and we want to have our guests plug their websites. So Laura, why don't you go first?
[01:49:19.320 --> 01:49:23.480]  Give us your website. Give us some call to action. What can people do?
[01:49:23.480 --> 01:49:29.720]  How can people support your cause? Your case is on appeal. It's about to go up before the Texas
[01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:35.160]  Supreme Court. So why don't you just give us a quick overview on what people can do to get involved
[01:49:35.160 --> 01:49:39.800]  and how they can help you. And then we're going to go to Michael and talk about call to action
[01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:43.560]  with Michael as well. So go ahead, Laura. Okay. Thank you guys. And thanks for all
[01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:48.680]  the good feedback and the great information and suggestions, Tanata. I'm very thankful for that.
[01:49:49.400 --> 01:49:55.560]  You know, basically there's two issues going on. One is we've got this pending lawsuit
[01:49:56.200 --> 01:50:01.480]  that is in the now it's in the Texas Supreme Court. We're going to be writing our petition
[01:50:01.480 --> 01:50:06.360]  for them to review the case. They don't have to take our case. That petition is due March 8th,
[01:50:06.360 --> 01:50:11.480]  which is three weeks away. And we're writing that now. And it's very expensive. And anybody
[01:50:11.480 --> 01:50:17.320]  that wants to help us with a contribution, we just love it. Our website for that is
[01:50:17.320 --> 01:50:24.520]  presleyforaustin.com. And there's a donate page. And that's one thing that, you know,
[01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:29.400]  that is one thing that's pressing forward. And this will be a, you know, a case that sets case
[01:50:29.400 --> 01:50:35.640]  law for the state for elections, because we were, we were not only were we thrown out of court with
[01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:40.200]  no evidence, you know, saying we had no evidence, even though we respectfully disagree with the
[01:50:40.200 --> 01:50:46.520]  courts, we did have evidence. They sanction us for a frivolous lawsuit. And it's just over the top
[01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:53.560]  shocking. And in the courtroom, it was said they wanted to sanction us at such a high level as
[01:50:53.560 --> 01:51:00.280]  40,000 in sanctions for me and 50,000 for my lawyer. So we're over 100,000 in sanctions right
[01:51:00.280 --> 01:51:05.160]  now. And they said in the courtroom, they wanted to make this high enough so no candidate in the
[01:51:05.160 --> 01:51:11.720]  state of Texas would ever bring such a lawsuit ever again. It was to chill any future litigation.
[01:51:12.440 --> 01:51:18.840]  And so we're not just dealing with just the lawsuit. We're dealing with sanctions too. So this
[01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:23.880]  is a big deal. So any type of contributions are always welcome, presleyforaustin.com.
[01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:31.320]  And the second thing is this public information request that is being obstructed by the Travis
[01:51:31.320 --> 01:51:39.240]  County District Attorney. And you know, what we want to ask people to do is we have several bills
[01:51:39.240 --> 01:51:44.920]  that are in the legislature right now to improve the election integrity in Texas. And this is for
[01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:49.720]  the whole state. So what we'll do is going forward, there's going to be bills that are going to
[01:51:50.280 --> 01:51:55.720]  come to committee in the legislature in the next two or three weeks. And we will let everybody know
[01:51:56.360 --> 01:52:03.320]  when these things are happening. And we'll do some ads on 89.1 and let people know when to come down
[01:52:03.320 --> 01:52:07.960]  to the Capitol or when to start calling these committee members. And we'll get that information
[01:52:07.960 --> 01:52:13.000]  out when it happens. But right now, I think we're good to go. We need contributions. And we want to
[01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:17.400]  focus our efforts and our priority on the legislature so that we get the right bills.
[01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:21.800]  So we don't have to deal with this in the future that we're going to address this going forward.
[01:52:21.800 --> 01:52:28.040]  Yes. And apparently, Laura, your case and all the hard work you've been doing boots on the ground,
[01:52:28.040 --> 01:52:35.400]  you have gotten the attention of some legislators over this to take a hard look at this and see that
[01:52:35.400 --> 01:52:41.400]  we do need some election reform in this state. So I appreciate your work on that.
[01:52:41.400 --> 01:52:46.680]  And our lawsuit is a quarter million dollars right now. We've spent about $70,000 personally.
[01:52:47.320 --> 01:52:51.720]  We're in debt for that. And we've raised the rest of the money around the state,
[01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:57.400]  going all over the state. And the Supreme Court is more expensive. So we're raising money for that
[01:52:57.400 --> 01:53:01.560]  right now. But thank you to everybody for all the feedback and everything. Thank you.
[01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:06.120]  Thank you, Laura. We really appreciate all your hard work. You're awesome. You're an angel.
[01:53:06.120 --> 01:53:13.320]  We love you to death. And thank you so much for everything you're doing here. And we wish you well
[01:53:13.320 --> 01:53:20.440]  and Godspeed and God bless. And you don't have to hang up right now because we're not quite at the
[01:53:20.440 --> 01:53:27.800]  end of the show, but I want to go back to Michael now. So Michael, tell us what folks can do as far
[01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:33.080]  as getting in touch with you and your firearms training. Tell us a little bit more about that.
[01:53:33.080 --> 01:53:37.640]  And by the way, speaking of firearms training, we do have our fundraiser going on right now.
[01:53:37.640 --> 01:53:45.240]  And the grand prize is an AR-15, a Spikes Tactical AR-15 being donated by one of our best sponsors,
[01:53:45.240 --> 01:53:53.080]  Mr. Michael Cargill at Central Texas Gunworks. And if you win, you can always go to Michael
[01:53:53.080 --> 01:54:00.040]  to have him teach you how to use it. Right, Michael? Oh, absolutely. How do I get my name on this list?
[01:54:00.040 --> 01:54:10.200]  I just want to point people to my website, constitutionpreservation.org, and let them know
[01:54:10.200 --> 01:54:20.520]  that I have a link there, which is for gun training. I will help you to learn about the basics
[01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:29.800]  of what guns are and how to use them. I'll go with you to the gun range and let you try different
[01:54:29.800 --> 01:54:39.000]  calibers and coach you through the process at the gun show for picking out a pistol that will fit
[01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:47.880]  your hand nicely and will be easy enough for you to control. And I have several students who
[01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:58.920]  do quite well. My most recent student has put 47 out of 50 in the 10-ring, which is basically
[01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:04.920]  the hardest silhouette target. So they're not going to miss more than once.
[01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:14.920]  That's just awesome, Michael. Yeah, and folks, it really is essential to have proper firearms training.
[01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:21.480]  Michael, I don't know if you heard about what happened to Michael Cargill's parents, but he
[01:55:21.480 --> 01:55:28.360]  trained his parents in how to use firearms. They live in Atlanta. Well, one night, I'm just going
[01:55:28.360 --> 01:55:33.480]  to be real brief here. We're almost at the end of the show, but I'm going to go ahead and
[01:55:33.480 --> 01:55:36.920]  real brief here. We're almost at the end of the show. We did a show with him, and he discussed
[01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:43.720]  the whole scene in detail. One night, some burglars tried to break into his parents' house. They have
[01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:51.880]  a two-story home, and they couldn't get in the lower level windows without what they thought was
[01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:59.720]  making too much noise. So they went around back, broke into the shed, got the ladder, and one of
[01:55:59.720 --> 01:56:07.480]  them climbed up the ladder to the second floor and jimmied himself into the window, one of the
[01:56:07.480 --> 01:56:14.840]  windows, which happened to be the bathroom window of the master bedroom. And it woke up Michael's
[01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:20.600]  father, and he heard noises in the bathroom that didn't sound quite right, and he looks over. His
[01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:26.760]  wife's in bed right next to him. The cat's in bed with them. He knew that the dog was locked up in
[01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:34.120]  the kennel downstairs, and so he knew something was wrong. So very calm, cool, and collectedly,
[01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:43.800]  he got his.45 and slowly, quietly went around the corner to peek around and see what was going on
[01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:51.240]  in the bathroom, and he was greeted by a flashlight and somebody kind of flailing around. And so
[01:56:51.240 --> 01:57:01.080]  he didn't think twice. He aimed, one shot, hit the guy in the face, and it was such a force that this
[01:57:01.080 --> 01:57:09.480]  guy, he was hurled backwards and smashed through the window and the wall onto the roof of the first
[01:57:09.480 --> 01:57:16.440]  story, killed him instantly. And this robber, and of course the rest of them scattered when they
[01:57:16.440 --> 01:57:23.640]  heard the gunshot, and it was a very unfortunate scene. And yeah, they didn't even, the coroner had
[01:57:23.640 --> 01:57:28.200]  to come out and they didn't take away the body till noon the next day. It was nothing like you see in
[01:57:28.200 --> 01:57:34.200]  the movies, no cover all over the guy or anything, but he had every intention of killing Michael's
[01:57:34.200 --> 01:57:44.360]  parents and then letting his co-robbers in to loot the place. And so there you go, folks. You never
[01:57:44.360 --> 01:57:49.240]  know where you're going to need this kind of firearms training because you have to be able to
[01:57:49.240 --> 01:57:55.880]  take action with a level head in moments like those or else you could lose your life or the lives
[01:57:55.880 --> 01:58:02.680]  of your loved ones. So I'm just thankful that we have folks like Michael Cargill and Michael Badnerich.
[01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:10.120]  So what do you think, Michael? Pretty impressive, huh? Very impressive. I love it when a plan comes together.
[01:58:10.120 --> 01:58:15.240]  I love it when a plan comes together. All right, well we're going to be having more plans coming
[01:58:15.240 --> 01:58:20.840]  together. Thank you folks for joining us tonight. This is the rule of law. We're here with Michael
[01:58:20.840 --> 01:58:27.640]  Badnerich and Dr. Laura Presley, and please donate to our fundraiser, donate to Dr. Presley's cause
[01:58:27.640 --> 01:58:32.840]  for her lawsuit. This is very important to restore election integrity and learn, get yourself some
[01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:37.880]  firearms training from Michael Badnerich and we will be back tomorrow night with our four hour
[01:58:37.880 --> 01:58:41.480]  info marathon. Thank you all. God bless and good night.
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