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[00:09.160 --> 00:14.720]  I'm Brian Hagan with your Liberty Beat for Friday, March 10, 2015.
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[00:40.200 --> 00:46.280]  In the news, activists across the southwestern United States are organizing counter-exercises
[00:46.280 --> 00:52.280]  to the U.S. military's planned Jade Helm exercise, scheduled to take place between July 15 to
[00:52.280 --> 00:53.960]  September 15.
[00:53.960 --> 00:59.640]  A Facebook page entitled Counter Jade Helm Exercises is calling upon patriots to hold
[00:59.640 --> 01:04.480]  counter-surveillance exercises to learn what the military will be practicing.
[01:04.480 --> 01:09.880]  Jade Helm is an eight-week joint military exercise testing unconventional warfare in
[01:09.880 --> 01:19.880]  the states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado.
[01:19.880 --> 01:24.280]  According to documents released during open records requests, at least one officer was
[01:24.280 --> 01:30.320]  using Facebook to monitor a Texas man who was not specifically under investigation for a
[01:30.320 --> 01:31.320]  crime.
[01:31.320 --> 01:35.880]  Muck Rock reports that Officer Evan Ratcliffe, with the Round Rock Police Department, was
[01:35.880 --> 01:40.760]  monitoring a man from the town of Garland, Texas, more than three hours away.
[01:40.760 --> 01:45.300]  In one email, Officer Ratcliffe states, quote, I found this on one of the guys I monitor
[01:45.300 --> 01:50.240]  on Facebook, end quote, and then posted a link to the man's Facebook account.
[01:50.240 --> 01:56.080]  The documents do not reveal when or how the man came to be under surveillance, but a spokesperson
[01:56.080 --> 02:01.000]  for Round Rock Police Department said the man was known for criminal activity, end quote,
[02:01.000 --> 02:05.600]  actively posted pictures of firearms and other illegal items, end quote.
[02:05.600 --> 02:10.920]  Muck Rock says the department lacks a policy on social media monitoring, which is concerning
[02:10.920 --> 02:13.160]  for privacy advocates.
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[03:17.120 --> 03:35.720]  Okay.
[03:35.720 --> 03:36.720]  We are back.
[03:36.720 --> 03:43.240]  Randy Kelton rules our radio and we're going to Jimmy in Maryland.
[03:43.240 --> 03:44.240]  Hello, Jimmy.
[03:44.240 --> 03:45.240]  Hey, Randy.
[03:45.240 --> 03:52.080]  I unmuted you a little too quick and heard you talking to somebody else, but we're not
[03:52.080 --> 03:55.080]  going to tell what you said.
[03:55.080 --> 03:56.080]  Just kidding.
[03:56.080 --> 03:57.080]  Okay.
[03:57.080 --> 04:00.920]  So get the code and read it.
[04:00.920 --> 04:09.560]  Also you need to get the criminal procedure code and read that carefully.
[04:09.560 --> 04:18.800]  On jurisimprudence.com, I have the habeas corpus I spoke about earlier.
[04:18.800 --> 04:21.760]  You should read that habeas.
[04:21.760 --> 04:30.480]  While it's written in Texas law, most of my case law is federal.
[04:30.480 --> 04:32.460]  It goes to due process.
[04:32.460 --> 04:38.600]  It tells you all the stuff they should do when they arrest you.
[04:38.600 --> 04:40.360]  Have you been arrested on these issues?
[04:40.360 --> 04:41.360]  Yes, sir.
[04:41.360 --> 04:45.000]  I've been arrested for driving on a speeding license up three times.
[04:45.000 --> 04:46.000]  Okay.
[04:46.000 --> 04:47.720]  Look at the due process.
[04:47.720 --> 04:51.960]  Did they take you directly to the magistrate and hold an examining trial?
[04:51.960 --> 04:54.720]  No, I had to wait.
[04:54.720 --> 04:55.720]  Oh, good.
[04:55.720 --> 04:58.000]  So start filing criminally on all of them.
[04:58.000 --> 04:59.000]  Yeah.
[04:59.000 --> 05:00.000]  It's not a master here.
[05:00.000 --> 05:01.000]  It's a commissioner here.
[05:01.000 --> 05:06.000]  It doesn't matter what he is.
[05:06.000 --> 05:15.000]  The federal law requires this and so does every state.
[05:15.000 --> 05:20.120]  That when a person is arrested, right at the beginning of that habeas corpus is top frog
[05:20.120 --> 05:21.120]  on the left.
[05:21.120 --> 05:30.800]  I've got a bunch of frogs on this site because I call all of this the frog farm conspiracy.
[05:30.800 --> 05:41.720]  The very first, right at the beginning, it talks about Gerstein Pugh's case and it's
[05:41.720 --> 05:44.280]  a federal case.
[05:44.280 --> 05:53.880]  It says that it would be preferable that every arrest be made on an existing warrant because
[05:53.880 --> 05:59.240]  the warrant is only issued after a probable cause of determination.
[05:59.240 --> 06:05.760]  But it is a practical compromise to authorize a police officer to arrest someone for an
[06:05.760 --> 06:13.760]  on-site offense and to hold the person for that amount of time it takes to ensure the
[06:13.760 --> 06:19.800]  safety of the officer and ensure against the escape of the accused.
[06:19.800 --> 06:28.080]  Once those goals are accomplished, the right of the officer to hold evaporates.
[06:28.080 --> 06:37.160]  He must bring the person before a magistrate for a determination of probable cause.
[06:37.160 --> 06:44.480]  The intent was that the public not fear the police like they obviously do now.
[06:44.480 --> 06:52.120]  The intent was that a policeman have the power to arrest but not to punish.
[06:52.120 --> 06:57.080]  That the police were not to hold the key to the jailhouse door.
[06:57.080 --> 07:01.360]  That a neutral arbitrator was to hold that key.
[07:01.360 --> 07:07.360]  The policeman was to arrest someone and take him directly to this neutral arbitrator and
[07:07.360 --> 07:13.560]  the neutral arbitrator would hold a hearing where both sides got to present their position
[07:13.560 --> 07:19.960]  and it was he who determined if the person went to jail or not, not the policeman.
[07:19.960 --> 07:24.640]  Nobody does that anymore and that is absolutely fundamental to law.
[07:24.640 --> 07:33.120]  It was passed and it first came into law in 1216 when the duke struck King John down to
[07:33.120 --> 07:40.080]  the River Thames, threatened to cut his head off if he didn't sign the Magna Carta.
[07:40.080 --> 07:46.520]  What he had agreed to do when all the dukes went and fought the French and stopped a French
[07:46.520 --> 07:52.960]  invasion on the condition that he signed this Magna Carta and then he refused and they threatened
[07:52.960 --> 07:54.880]  to cut his head off and he got it signed.
[07:54.880 --> 08:02.280]  Well it required that if a person is arrested for any reason he's to be taken to a neutral
[08:02.280 --> 08:03.280]  arbitrator.
[08:03.280 --> 08:10.080]  I'm saying neutral arbitrator because normally they're called a magistrate and he's to determine,
[08:10.080 --> 08:12.800]  make a determination of probable cause.
[08:12.800 --> 08:17.320]  So you may have to be afraid of the magistrate but you don't have to be afraid of the police
[08:17.320 --> 08:19.920]  because the police could only arrest, they couldn't put you in jail.
[08:19.920 --> 08:26.240]  If they didn't take you to a magistrate or a neutral arbitrator before they took you
[08:26.240 --> 08:30.240]  to jail, that's a due process violation and it's criminal.
[08:30.240 --> 08:35.360]  They make it a booking first, they can be photographed and a fingerprint and all and
[08:35.360 --> 08:36.360]  then wait.
[08:36.360 --> 08:42.640]  Yeah, they all do that and it's all illegal and if you check your code you'll find it
[08:42.640 --> 08:46.320]  in your code and that will be in the criminal procedure code.
[08:46.320 --> 08:52.920]  Take them to task, they want to take you to task on a fine point of law.
[08:52.920 --> 08:58.520]  You're saying you're not traveling, you're not driving, you're traveling and they want
[08:58.520 --> 09:03.160]  to argue that point of law, give them some more points of law to argue.
[09:03.160 --> 09:04.160]  Okay.
[09:04.160 --> 09:07.160]  Okay, does that sound like fun?
[09:07.160 --> 09:08.160]  Yeah it does.
[09:08.160 --> 09:13.560]  I remember you told me about challenging the jurisdiction and extending your arms to the
[09:13.560 --> 09:14.560]  court.
[09:14.560 --> 09:18.480]  I remember you said because they lost the cause of the accident, they never responded
[09:18.480 --> 09:24.400]  back to my certified letter that I sent to the Motor Vehicle Administration.
[09:24.400 --> 09:26.640]  That won't affect the court.
[09:26.640 --> 09:27.640]  Okay.
[09:27.640 --> 09:34.800]  Yeah, you have to file a challenge subject matter jurisdiction with the court and the
[09:34.800 --> 09:43.680]  claim would be that you do not fall within the regulatory scheme.
[09:43.680 --> 09:47.360]  They're citing you under the traffic code.
[09:47.360 --> 09:53.760]  The traffic code is a code intended to regulate commercial traffic.
[09:53.760 --> 10:01.520]  You're not in commerce so you do not fall under the regulatory scheme and the court
[10:01.520 --> 10:03.320]  has no subject matter jurisdiction.
[10:03.320 --> 10:08.880]  Okay, so if I need to file, I just wouldn't do it orally, I need to file that then.
[10:08.880 --> 10:11.000]  Yeah, you need to file that.
[10:11.000 --> 10:16.920]  Then listen to our Monday night show and talk to Eddie about that particular issue, he's
[10:16.920 --> 10:21.160]  the expert on that as it applies to traffic.
[10:21.160 --> 10:22.160]  Okay.
[10:22.160 --> 10:23.160]  Okay.
[10:23.160 --> 10:32.040]  As far as that, you said about the co-counsel, about the lawyered the day before this hearing,
[10:32.040 --> 10:38.040]  you said she can't go in but don't put her in the driver's seat.
[10:38.040 --> 10:39.040]  Right.
[10:39.040 --> 10:45.080]  The court's requiring you to have counsel so put her in the back seat.
[10:45.080 --> 10:50.440]  Now she has to give you good legal advice but you can almost bet the court wants you
[10:50.440 --> 10:57.600]  to have this counsel so your counsel can waive all your rights and leave you in a position
[10:57.600 --> 11:00.960]  where you don't have anything to appeal.
[11:00.960 --> 11:06.000]  By making her co-counsel or putting her in the second seat, whatever they call it in
[11:06.000 --> 11:15.760]  Maryland, now she's in a position to where she has to give good legal advice or get sued
[11:15.760 --> 11:28.440]  and she has plausible deniability because she has a resistant or uncontrollable client.
[11:28.440 --> 11:32.280]  That should change perspective quite a bit.
[11:32.280 --> 11:37.360]  When I come back, I basically don't have to do a pleading, I just mention it orally to
[11:37.360 --> 11:41.840]  the court that she's not here representing me but she's here as a co-counsel.
[11:41.840 --> 11:50.560]  Yes, telling that you need counsel but you do not need someone to represent you.
[11:50.560 --> 11:56.440]  You can represent yourself but if the court wants me to have counsel, they can appoint
[11:56.440 --> 12:04.880]  that counsel but that counsel will take second chair.
[12:04.880 --> 12:14.920]  Most every state of the machine has that because they don't like it but if the judge denies
[12:14.920 --> 12:24.680]  it, let the record reflect the defendant's exception to the ruling.
[12:24.680 --> 12:29.960]  Every time you object and they deny the objection, you register the exception.
[12:29.960 --> 12:31.360]  Is this a court of record?
[12:31.360 --> 12:32.360]  Yes.
[12:32.360 --> 12:33.360]  Good, good.
[12:33.360 --> 12:34.360]  It is.
[12:34.360 --> 12:36.200]  You need it on the record.
[12:36.200 --> 12:43.160]  Keep in mind, your only purpose is to set the record so keep setting the record for
[12:43.160 --> 12:44.160]  appeal.
[12:44.160 --> 12:45.160]  Okay.
[12:45.160 --> 12:46.160]  Okay.
[12:46.160 --> 12:47.160]  Okay.
[12:47.160 --> 12:51.160]  Appreciate it, Randy, very much.
[12:51.160 --> 12:52.160]  Okay.
[12:52.160 --> 12:53.160]  Thank you, Jimmy.
[12:53.160 --> 12:56.200]  Okay, now we're going to go to James in Texas.
[12:56.200 --> 12:57.200]  Hello, James.
[12:57.200 --> 12:58.200]  Hello, Randy.
[12:58.200 --> 12:59.200]  I'm here.
[12:59.200 --> 13:00.200]  Where are you?
[13:00.200 --> 13:01.200]  So what do you have for us today?
[13:01.200 --> 13:02.200]  Well, what do you want to talk about?
[13:02.200 --> 13:03.200]  We can go to Brady Violations.
[13:03.200 --> 13:04.200]  Wait, wait.
[13:04.200 --> 13:05.200]  Hold on.
[13:05.200 --> 13:06.200]  You sound like you're in a well.
[13:06.200 --> 13:07.200]  Shouldn't be.
[13:07.200 --> 13:08.200]  Okay.
[13:08.200 --> 13:09.200]  Well, go ahead.
[13:09.200 --> 13:10.200]  We can hear you.
[13:10.200 --> 13:24.280]  It may just be the connection.
[13:24.280 --> 13:25.280]  Is this any better?
[13:25.280 --> 13:26.280]  Oh, that's a lot better.
[13:26.280 --> 13:27.280]  Okay.
[13:27.280 --> 13:28.280]  I guess my earbuds have gone bad then.
[13:28.280 --> 13:29.280]  Brady Violations, and that's Brady versus Maryland.
[13:29.280 --> 13:46.520]  And we'll talk about exculpatory versus inculpatory in the criminal environment, which we know
[13:46.520 --> 13:48.920]  Brady affects.
[13:48.920 --> 13:56.640]  But in the civil world, does a Brady violation, has it occurred when they withheld evidence
[13:56.640 --> 14:01.320]  whether it's inculpatory or exculpatory?
[14:01.320 --> 14:02.320]  Yes.
[14:02.320 --> 14:09.880]  And in Texas, under duties of officers, the very first officer they address is the prosecuting
[14:09.880 --> 14:10.880]  attorney.
[14:10.880 --> 14:17.400]  And the very first thing the legislature tells the prosecuting attorney is it shall be the
[14:17.400 --> 14:22.440]  primary duty of the prosecuting attorney not to secure conviction, but to ensure that justice
[14:22.440 --> 14:23.440]  is served.
[14:23.440 --> 14:28.040]  He shall not seek good witnesses or evidence that will show the innocence of the accused
[14:28.040 --> 14:30.760]  or mitigate the guilt of the accused.
[14:30.760 --> 14:35.080]  If you've got exculpatory evidence, you've got to present it.
[14:35.080 --> 14:36.080]  Yeah.
[14:36.080 --> 14:40.160]  Would you also have to present inculpatory evidence?
[14:40.160 --> 14:44.120]  Inculpatory evidence is what he'll present anyway.
[14:44.120 --> 14:47.960]  Oh, now we know that.
[14:47.960 --> 14:56.080]  But now the question is, you know, under U.S. 242 and 1983, which I know you're familiar
[14:56.080 --> 15:03.600]  with, 242 is criminal, and Brady violations would definitely apply to 242.
[15:03.600 --> 15:10.120]  And if 242 also being criminal, it's no longer a preponderance of the evidence.
[15:10.120 --> 15:12.960]  It's beyond any reasonable doubt.
[15:12.960 --> 15:18.360]  But if you go to, I believe it's an Illinois or a New York law review article, they'll
[15:18.360 --> 15:26.920]  tell you that the United States Supreme Court or SCOTUS has not opined upon whether withholding
[15:26.920 --> 15:31.760]  of evidence is a 1983 violation or not.
[15:31.760 --> 15:35.960]  That's what's headed to SCOTUS in the next few weeks.
[15:35.960 --> 15:45.880]  That would go to due process and would essentially go to the material nature of the evidence.
[15:45.880 --> 15:46.880]  That is correct.
[15:46.880 --> 15:50.920]  Now, the one thing in criminal, once you go to criminal, you're going to have to prove
[15:50.920 --> 15:51.920]  intent.
[15:51.920 --> 15:52.920]  Menzerias.
[15:52.920 --> 15:53.920]  Yeah.
[15:53.920 --> 15:54.920]  Menzerias.
[15:54.920 --> 16:02.840]  We've had people call in and complain about a new law saying, that's a thought crime.
[16:02.840 --> 16:11.320]  I said, well, all law, all violations of criminal laws or thought crimes, it's not what you
[16:11.320 --> 16:15.280]  do, it's how you hold your mind when you do it.
[16:15.280 --> 16:16.280]  Right.
[16:16.280 --> 16:19.600]  You have to prove intention.
[16:19.600 --> 16:23.560]  You know, just because somebody did something, did they do it by accident or did they do
[16:23.560 --> 16:25.960]  it willfully, intentionally and deliberately?
[16:25.960 --> 16:26.960]  Yeah.
[16:26.960 --> 16:33.920]  So I once, you know, I use the example, is I once punched a woman upside the head with
[16:33.920 --> 16:39.120]  the full intent of knocking her smoothed out.
[16:39.120 --> 16:41.960]  So the question becomes, do you like to be the crime?
[16:41.960 --> 16:42.960]  Hang on.
[16:42.960 --> 16:44.440]  Let's make a nice cliffhanger.
[16:44.440 --> 17:00.720]  Randy Kelton, Google our radio, I call it number 512-646-1984, we'll be right back.
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[19:12.760 --> 19:18.360]  Well don't let nothing get to you, only the father can't believe by you, don't let bad
[19:18.360 --> 19:24.080]  mind people hurt you, until Satan get behind you.
[19:24.080 --> 19:31.080]  Norman, my friend, and all the judges, come on.
[19:54.080 --> 20:00.080]  He's everything, he's everything to me, that's why I call him, I'm talking to me and I pray
[20:00.080 --> 20:06.080]  to him, because he's the only one who could answer me, being a business what we keep man
[20:06.080 --> 20:10.080]  saying, man can you know he's blessedly the eternal.
[20:10.080 --> 20:19.080]  Trust in God, my friend, tell your problems then, I'll listen once again, then you'll
[20:19.080 --> 20:29.080]  know he was made, trust in God, my friend, tell him your problems then, I'll listen once
[20:29.080 --> 20:30.080]  again.
[20:30.080 --> 20:33.080]  It's a little slow today, I'm on down, David.
[20:33.080 --> 20:38.080]  I'm having a little trouble with my boards, bringing the bumper music down.
[20:38.080 --> 20:43.080]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Steve Skidmore is with us.
[20:43.080 --> 20:46.080]  I am, finally.
[20:46.080 --> 20:52.080]  That music's a little loud, bear with me a second, I'm talking to the board, it is not
[20:52.080 --> 20:53.080]  listening.
[20:53.080 --> 20:56.080]  I thought it was gone.
[20:56.080 --> 21:04.080]  Yeah, it's kind of flaking in now, give us a second here.
[21:04.080 --> 21:08.080]  Okay, we'll just try to talk over it until we can get there.
[21:08.080 --> 21:12.080]  It'll go away, I think it's pre-programmed to go away by itself.
[21:12.080 --> 21:17.080]  No, I have to slide it down, my slider's hung up.
[21:17.080 --> 21:18.080]  Uh-oh.
[21:18.080 --> 21:25.080]  But I'll get to it, James is on.
[21:25.080 --> 21:31.080]  These are some of the glitches that we face on a shoestring budget.
[21:31.080 --> 21:34.080]  Good part.
[21:34.080 --> 21:40.080]  I think it's gone, I think it's gone, yes, and a shoestring budget.
[21:40.080 --> 21:43.080]  Folks, please help us out.
[21:43.080 --> 21:49.080]  Okay, my screen doesn't show that it's gone, but then my screen seems to be locked up,
[21:49.080 --> 21:50.080]  so.
[21:50.080 --> 21:51.080]  Okay.
[21:51.080 --> 21:52.080]  Okay.
[21:52.080 --> 21:53.080]  Uh-oh.
[21:53.080 --> 21:56.080]  Let me pull up James in Texas.
[21:56.080 --> 22:00.080]  James in Texas, I believe I know you, sir.
[22:00.080 --> 22:02.080]  Oh yeah, you know me.
[22:02.080 --> 22:07.080]  Yes, I know you, I do recognize that voice, and for yourself and for the rest of the listeners,
[22:07.080 --> 22:10.080]  I do apologize for my late appearance.
[22:10.080 --> 22:19.080]  If I got off late tonight, and if anybody is familiar with the highway, I-35 South,
[22:19.080 --> 22:27.080]  probably northbound as well at this time of the evening, if you enter I-35 South between
[22:27.080 --> 22:36.080]  5 o'clock and 7 o'clock, let's say 8 o'clock, on any given day of the week, you're taking
[22:36.080 --> 22:43.080]  your- between Austin, Texas and San Antonio, you're literally taking your life into your
[22:43.080 --> 22:44.080]  own hands.
[22:44.080 --> 22:48.080]  It is a grueling task.
[22:48.080 --> 22:59.080]  Anyway, I do apologize for my late arrival, but James in Texas, absent a radio in my
[22:59.080 --> 23:05.080]  pickup, I'm afraid on the way home I couldn't even listen to the radio station coming in,
[23:05.080 --> 23:09.080]  but can you bring me up to point on where we're at?
[23:09.080 --> 23:10.080]  I can do that.
[23:10.080 --> 23:14.080]  We were talking about exculpatory, exculpatory evidence.
[23:14.080 --> 23:15.080]  Gotcha.
[23:15.080 --> 23:16.080]  Okay.
[23:16.080 --> 23:18.080]  Brady violation.
[23:18.080 --> 23:19.080]  And Brady.
[23:19.080 --> 23:20.080]  Gotcha.
[23:20.080 --> 23:23.080]  Okay, go ahead, James.
[23:23.080 --> 23:30.080]  Now, what actually happened is, one of the banks corporate council provided an assignment
[23:30.080 --> 23:43.080]  of the Deed of Trust that local council withheld, and now that is- that is no longer we need
[23:43.080 --> 23:48.080]  to prove they did it, they admitted that they did it.
[23:48.080 --> 23:55.080]  Now, that's intentional and willful, and that should get sanctioned to the federal court.
[23:55.080 --> 24:03.080]  Now, the other thing is, when you look at all of this, like I was saying is, it's the
[24:03.080 --> 24:12.080]  Illinois or New York law review has stated that CODIS has not opined as to whether withholding
[24:12.080 --> 24:19.080]  of civil evidence is a 1983 violation yet.
[24:19.080 --> 24:20.080]  That is-
[24:20.080 --> 24:25.080]  Wait a minute, let me- can you- I'm having a little trouble understanding you.
[24:25.080 --> 24:28.080]  Will you say that again?
[24:28.080 --> 24:35.080]  That withholding of civil evidence does or doesn't go to 1983?
[24:35.080 --> 24:39.080]  CODIS has not opined on that yet.
[24:39.080 --> 24:40.080]  Oh.
[24:40.080 --> 24:46.080]  Well, doesn't 1983 only go to public officials?
[24:46.080 --> 24:49.080]  No, it's civil rights.
[24:49.080 --> 24:54.080]  It goes to anybody, and you've got to take an account, and the attorney takes a note
[24:54.080 --> 24:57.080]  to the court, they're an officer of the court.
[24:57.080 --> 24:58.080]  Yes.
[24:58.080 --> 25:00.080]  Now you've got intentional.
[25:00.080 --> 25:10.080]  And the attorney, when he files a document with the court, he cannot depend on the veracity
[25:10.080 --> 25:12.080]  of his client.
[25:12.080 --> 25:19.080]  He must investigate into the validity of the document himself.
[25:19.080 --> 25:24.080]  Yeah, the other thing is, the court, most all court rules state that when the attorney
[25:24.080 --> 25:30.080]  files, his pleading is taken as truth.
[25:30.080 --> 25:35.080]  So, I don't have a love for attorneys.
[25:35.080 --> 25:39.080]  They have a bad habit of lying like a dog.
[25:39.080 --> 25:44.080]  But now, here's the other thing is, how do you prove intent without them providing
[25:44.080 --> 25:47.080]  documents itself?
[25:47.080 --> 25:54.080]  I would look at going to the purchasing and selling agreement, especially when it gets
[25:54.080 --> 26:00.080]  to Jenny Mae, Fannie Mae, or any one of the government agencies or government-sponsored
[26:00.080 --> 26:07.080]  enterprises, and they will tell you that this document exists.
[26:07.080 --> 26:13.080]  Go to the CFPB and ask them, file a complaint, and ask them to provide it.
[26:13.080 --> 26:16.080]  And that's what happened in this case.
[26:16.080 --> 26:22.080]  The CFPB caused it to be, corporate counsel caused it to be sent.
[26:22.080 --> 26:28.080]  So, now we have the documents that prove that they were, documents that prove that they
[26:28.080 --> 26:30.080]  did not have a right.
[26:30.080 --> 26:36.080]  And when they prove that, admitted that they did not have a right, did they violate civil
[26:36.080 --> 26:42.080]  rights?
[26:42.080 --> 26:45.080]  I would say they did.
[26:45.080 --> 26:47.080]  I'm trying to get there.
[26:47.080 --> 26:51.080]  It's a right to a fair and impartial trial.
[26:51.080 --> 26:53.080]  Yes, due process of law.
[26:53.080 --> 26:54.080]  Absolutely.
[26:54.080 --> 26:57.080]  You just got me there.
[26:57.080 --> 26:59.080]  Absolutely.
[26:59.080 --> 27:04.080]  Deprivation of a right to a fair and impartial trial.
[27:04.080 --> 27:07.080]  And they withheld that evidence to do that.
[27:07.080 --> 27:09.080]  Yes.
[27:09.080 --> 27:16.080]  And now, prove that they intentionally withheld it is to go to the documents that they sell
[27:16.080 --> 27:22.080]  it by that says they're going to put into the collateral file the records, the real
[27:22.080 --> 27:29.080]  estate records, that they have an unrecorded assignment.
[27:29.080 --> 27:39.080]  If it's from like, let's just say from bank to Denny May, and they don't supply it, and
[27:39.080 --> 27:46.080]  you can sit there and by an analysis prove that it's within, it's the Denny May, Fannie
[27:46.080 --> 27:49.080]  May or something like that.
[27:49.080 --> 27:51.080]  Where is that document?
[27:51.080 --> 27:53.080]  It's been withheld.
[27:53.080 --> 27:54.080]  Ask for it.
[27:54.080 --> 27:59.080]  If you can't get it straight for them, file a CFPB complaint.
[27:59.080 --> 28:02.080]  They most likely might be able to get it.
[28:02.080 --> 28:09.080]  Those purchasing agreements tell you that document exists, or if they don't, they say
[28:09.080 --> 28:16.080]  it doesn't exist, oh, you violated securities law, because now you're saying it doesn't
[28:16.080 --> 28:17.080]  exist.
[28:17.080 --> 28:23.080]  When you're saying the purchasing agreement says it does exist, who says they defrauded
[28:23.080 --> 28:24.080]  it?
[28:24.080 --> 28:30.080]  The other thing is, you're not just going after yourself, you're going after, you just
[28:30.080 --> 28:33.080]  defrauded a government agency.
[28:33.080 --> 28:41.080]  Now you've got every American taxpayer on the hook.
[28:41.080 --> 28:47.080]  I'm thinking on how I would adjudicate that issue.
[28:47.080 --> 28:53.080]  I'd have to do that as a private attorney general.
[28:53.080 --> 29:00.080]  Well, just file a civil suit and push it all the way up to SCOTUS if you have to.
[29:00.080 --> 29:07.080]  But hopefully it's going to get forced to SCOTUS to have to rule if you withhold evidence
[29:07.080 --> 29:11.080]  in a civil file, are they violating your civil rights?
[29:11.080 --> 29:13.080]  Yes or no?
[29:13.080 --> 29:14.080]  Yes.
[29:14.080 --> 29:17.080]  Absolutely, yes.
[29:17.080 --> 29:29.080]  Well, I was thinking of how I could adjudicate their defrauding everybody, and if that's
[29:29.080 --> 29:37.080]  a part of what went on in my particular situation, when I discovered that, I could refile with
[29:37.080 --> 29:45.080]  either an original claim, a cross claim, a counter claim, in the capacity of a private
[29:45.080 --> 29:51.080]  attorney general, to get after not only my right, but everybody else's, that would keep
[29:51.080 --> 29:53.080]  me away from the state of cause of action.
[29:53.080 --> 30:00.080]  Hang on, we'll be right back.
[30:00.080 --> 30:02.080]  Be careful what you tweet.
[30:02.080 --> 30:07.080]  Just ask Jonathan Hoster, his complaint about a local grocery store sparked a national social
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[30:09.080 --> 30:13.080]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, we'll be back in a moment with more on the cautionary tale
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[30:45.080 --> 30:50.080]  When Jonathan Hoster found a local Price Chopper supermarket under stocked, he vented his
[30:50.080 --> 30:53.080]  frustrations on Twitter, the social media website.
[30:53.080 --> 30:58.080]  But when Price Chopper PR employee Amira Setawayu read the tweet, she demanded that Hoster's
[30:58.080 --> 31:03.080]  employer, Syracuse University, discipline him for daring to criticize her store.
[31:03.080 --> 31:05.080]  From there, it was all downhill.
[31:05.080 --> 31:09.080]  A social media professor launched blog entries criticizing the store's bizarre response.
[31:09.080 --> 31:14.080]  Bloggers debated whether heads should roll, and protests were planned at Price Chopper's stores.
[31:14.080 --> 31:17.080]  Price Chopper finally apologized, and the disaster died down.
[31:17.080 --> 31:19.080]  But the outcome could have been quite different.
[31:19.080 --> 31:23.080]  Hoster could have lost his job, and I'm wondering how Setawayu kept hers.
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[33:39.080 --> 33:42.080]  Welcome back to Rule of Law on this Friday night, folks.
[33:42.080 --> 33:48.080]  Steve Skidmore here, and I do apologize for showing up so late on the show.
[33:48.080 --> 33:57.080]  My current occupation takes me to places far and wide and prohibits my timely return.
[33:57.080 --> 34:04.080]  But with all that said, back to, let me see, there's a call board.
[34:04.080 --> 34:09.080]  Go live, James in Texas.
[34:09.080 --> 34:18.080]  James, over the break, you sent me a message over Skype, and with your permission,
[34:18.080 --> 34:20.080]  I'd like to put this on air.
[34:20.080 --> 34:22.080]  Do I have that?
[34:22.080 --> 34:24.080]  Absolutely, go ahead.
[34:24.080 --> 34:25.080]  Okay.
[34:25.080 --> 34:30.080]  Number one, it is a Brady violation, quote unquote.
[34:30.080 --> 34:36.080]  Rule 73, and I take it Texas Penal Code, is that correct, James?
[34:36.080 --> 34:38.080]  Correct.
[34:38.080 --> 34:45.080]  Texas Penal Code, section 37.09, violation.
[34:45.080 --> 34:49.080]  Wait a minute, rule 37 of what?
[34:49.080 --> 34:51.080]  Federal or state?
[34:51.080 --> 34:54.080]  That would be a federal rule.
[34:54.080 --> 34:58.080]  Okay, federal rule 37.
[34:58.080 --> 35:01.080]  Bring us up to par.
[35:01.080 --> 35:07.080]  This is in a federal appellate going to SCOTUS.
[35:07.080 --> 35:10.080]  Federal going to what?
[35:10.080 --> 35:13.080]  Going to SCOTUS, Supreme Court of the United States.
[35:13.080 --> 35:15.080]  Got it.
[35:15.080 --> 35:22.080]  Okay, regardless of that, get past section 37.09, violation.
[35:22.080 --> 35:27.080]  Then you can read the rest of it, and it flows right together.
[35:27.080 --> 35:31.080]  When a party withheld evidence during an official proceeding
[35:31.080 --> 35:36.080]  with the intent to have a favorable outcome
[35:36.080 --> 35:40.080]  and deprive a party of due process of law
[35:40.080 --> 35:50.080]  and of a fair trial violating his or her civil rights,
[35:50.080 --> 35:54.080]  I take it this is USC, yes,
[35:54.080 --> 36:03.080]  the United States Code, Title 42, section 19837.
[36:03.080 --> 36:10.080]  That's section 19837.
[36:10.080 --> 36:13.080]  Stop.
[36:13.080 --> 36:14.080]  No, I'm sorry.
[36:14.080 --> 36:16.080]  Okay, I don't have my glasses with me.
[36:16.080 --> 36:19.080]  That's 1983, question mark.
[36:19.080 --> 36:21.080]  Is that correct, James?
[36:21.080 --> 36:22.080]  That is correct.
[36:22.080 --> 36:25.080]  That was a question.
[36:25.080 --> 36:26.080]  Go ahead.
[36:26.080 --> 36:28.080]  When a party withheld evidence during an official proceeding
[36:28.080 --> 36:31.080]  with intent to have a favorable outcome
[36:31.080 --> 36:33.080]  and deprive the party of due process of law
[36:33.080 --> 36:37.080]  and of a fair trial thus violating his or her civil rights,
[36:37.080 --> 36:41.080]  42 U.S. Code, 1983.
[36:41.080 --> 36:42.080]  Right.
[36:42.080 --> 36:47.080]  Number two is, is it a civil rights violation under 42 USC,
[36:47.080 --> 36:52.080]  1983 when a panel waived statutory laws
[36:52.080 --> 36:57.080]  and standing Article III requirements in a case?
[36:57.080 --> 36:58.080]  In a case.
[36:58.080 --> 37:02.080]  I mean, you've got the rough questions there.
[37:02.080 --> 37:03.080]  Yeah.
[37:03.080 --> 37:07.080]  And I mean, that's just what's going on there.
[37:07.080 --> 37:10.080]  I would say absolutely.
[37:10.080 --> 37:17.080]  Okay, in Williamson County, Texas, fairly recently,
[37:17.080 --> 37:20.080]  I believe beginning of last year sometime,
[37:20.080 --> 37:27.080]  there was a judge in Williamson County who was unthrown.
[37:27.080 --> 37:34.080]  He was dethroned because he did not allow exculpatory
[37:34.080 --> 37:40.080]  excuse me, exculpatory as exculpatory evidence
[37:40.080 --> 37:49.080]  is evidence that will show that an accused is innocent of a crime.
[37:49.080 --> 37:52.080]  This judge, and I can't remember his name,
[37:52.080 --> 37:55.080]  did not allow such evidence into the case,
[37:55.080 --> 37:58.080]  I believe it was a murder trial if I'm not mistaken,
[37:58.080 --> 38:01.080]  and the man went to jail over it.
[38:01.080 --> 38:05.080]  Because he did not allow the exculpatory evidence
[38:05.080 --> 38:11.080]  to be allowed as evidence in the defense of the accused case,
[38:11.080 --> 38:14.080]  he was taken out of his judgeship.
[38:14.080 --> 38:16.080]  He was fired.
[38:16.080 --> 38:18.080]  Randy?
[38:18.080 --> 38:21.080]  I don't know who that was.
[38:21.080 --> 38:23.080]  I thought it was Judge James.
[38:23.080 --> 38:26.080]  But Williamson County just lost another judge for...
[38:26.080 --> 38:29.080]  Wait a second, James, who's that?
[38:29.080 --> 38:31.080]  I don't have his name.
[38:31.080 --> 38:33.080]  No, no, no, I was asking James.
[38:33.080 --> 38:35.080]  I'll shut up now.
[38:35.080 --> 38:37.080]  James.
[38:37.080 --> 38:39.080]  I think it was Andrews.
[38:39.080 --> 38:41.080]  Andrews, yes.
[38:41.080 --> 38:43.080]  Thank you.
[38:43.080 --> 38:45.080]  Randy?
[38:45.080 --> 38:47.080]  No, no, I'm okay.
[38:47.080 --> 38:49.080]  I just said I didn't know who that was.
[38:49.080 --> 38:51.080]  It was Judge Andrews.
[38:51.080 --> 38:53.080]  Judge Andrews.
[38:53.080 --> 38:55.080]  Is that the big tall guy that wears cowboy boots?
[38:55.080 --> 38:57.080]  I think so.
[38:57.080 --> 38:59.080]  Oh, that is so good.
[38:59.080 --> 39:04.080] ... while he was a prosecuting attorney before he came into...
[39:04.080 --> 39:07.080]  Oh, no, that's, okay, that's the prosecutor.
[39:07.080 --> 39:09.080]  Okay, that scoundrel.
[39:09.080 --> 39:11.080]  Okay, I knew about him.
[39:11.080 --> 39:14.080]  He went to jail, but not for very long.
[39:14.080 --> 39:18.080]  Was it Andrews or Anderson?
[39:18.080 --> 39:20.080]  Hang on, I'll find out.
[39:20.080 --> 39:24.080]  Good question.
[39:24.080 --> 39:26.080]  Okay, go ahead, James.
[39:26.080 --> 39:35.080]  I'm having a little trouble with my mic, so I'm staying muted.
[39:35.080 --> 39:37.080]  James?
[39:37.080 --> 39:40.080]  Did we lose James?
[39:40.080 --> 39:45.080]  Looks like James disappeared.
[39:45.080 --> 39:50.080]  Well, in that event, that's a good question.
[39:50.080 --> 39:56.080]  Would necessarily, let's get your opinion on this, Randy.
[39:56.080 --> 40:05.080]  Would necessarily, if a defendant in either civil or criminal case
[40:05.080 --> 40:11.080]  was deprived a fair and impartial trial
[40:11.080 --> 40:17.080]  by the exclusion of evidence that would prove the defendant innocent
[40:17.080 --> 40:23.080]  or prove the defendant's case,
[40:23.080 --> 40:28.080]  would that equate a civil rights violation?
[40:28.080 --> 40:31.080]  Not in civil, I don't believe,
[40:31.080 --> 40:38.080]  because I don't have a duty in a civil case
[40:38.080 --> 40:42.080]  to make the case for my opponent.
[40:42.080 --> 40:44.080]  I'm not a prosecuting attorney.
[40:44.080 --> 40:46.080]  I'm not a government official.
[40:46.080 --> 40:53.080]  So I don't have a duty to disclose everything I have,
[40:53.080 --> 40:55.080]  at least so far as I know.
[40:55.080 --> 40:58.080]  If requested in discovery, you do.
[40:58.080 --> 41:04.080]  Yes, but I don't have a duty to volunteer.
[41:04.080 --> 41:06.080]  Correct.
[41:06.080 --> 41:09.080]  So I don't see how this would apply.
[41:09.080 --> 41:19.080]  I have the statute up, and the way 37.09 starts out is,
[41:19.080 --> 41:22.080]  I'm raising it up because my eyes don't see that far,
[41:22.080 --> 41:27.080]  a person commits an offense if knowing that an investigation
[41:27.080 --> 41:33.080]  or official proceeding is pending or in progress.
[41:33.080 --> 41:42.080]  Is a civil suit considered an official proceeding?
[41:42.080 --> 41:45.080]  I don't think so.
[41:45.080 --> 41:51.080]  So I don't think this applies.
[41:51.080 --> 41:55.080]  Knowing an investigation or official proceeding,
[41:55.080 --> 42:00.080]  in this case I don't see how it would apply to the case,
[42:00.080 --> 42:05.080]  having to do a civil trial.
[42:05.080 --> 42:06.080]  Well.
[42:06.080 --> 42:09.080]  There are other statutes that will pick it up.
[42:09.080 --> 42:17.080]  37.10, 37.11, tampering with the government document,
[42:17.080 --> 42:23.080]  but withholding evidence in civil,
[42:23.080 --> 42:28.080]  I don't know if you can make that one.
[42:28.080 --> 42:31.080]  If I'm right, that's where James was going.
[42:31.080 --> 42:34.080]  I got another copy.
[42:34.080 --> 42:36.080]  I got another message from him.
[42:36.080 --> 42:42.080]  I'll put it on the group chat, and we can go on to the next caller.
[42:42.080 --> 42:44.080]  Oh, what happened to Jeff?
[42:44.080 --> 42:46.080]  Jeff is scared.
[42:46.080 --> 42:47.080]  Wait a minute.
[42:47.080 --> 42:50.080]  There's Jeff in Maryland, down there at the bottom.
[42:50.080 --> 42:52.080]  Hello, Jeff.
[42:52.080 --> 42:54.080]  Randy, can you hear me?
[42:54.080 --> 42:55.080]  I can hear you.
[42:55.080 --> 42:56.080]  This is Steve.
[42:56.080 --> 42:57.080]  Randy.
[42:57.080 --> 42:58.080]  I can hear you.
[42:58.080 --> 42:59.080]  To answer your question.
[42:59.080 --> 43:03.080]  To answer your question, is it John out of Texas?
[43:03.080 --> 43:05.080]  James.
[43:05.080 --> 43:06.080]  James out of Texas.
[43:06.080 --> 43:07.080]  Yes.
[43:07.080 --> 43:08.080]  Criminal Rule 37C.
[43:08.080 --> 43:09.080]  Yes.
[43:09.080 --> 43:12.080]  Criminal Rule of Civil Procedure 37C.
[43:12.080 --> 43:16.080]  When they have a duty to disclose,
[43:16.080 --> 43:19.080]  they're self-executing sanctions.
[43:19.080 --> 43:22.080]  Ooh.
[43:22.080 --> 43:23.080]  Okay.
[43:23.080 --> 43:25.080]  They can also file for sanctions.
[43:25.080 --> 43:31.080]  Sanctions is great, but does that constitute a civil rights violation?
[43:31.080 --> 43:33.080]  Doesn't matter.
[43:33.080 --> 43:34.080]  Okay.
[43:34.080 --> 43:39.080]  Question becomes, in a civil case, what duty do I have to disclose?
[43:39.080 --> 43:40.080]  Hang on.
[43:40.080 --> 43:41.080]  We're going to break.
[43:41.080 --> 43:44.080]  Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio.
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[46:13.520 --> 46:37.520]  Welcome back to Rule Law Radio, folks.
[46:37.520 --> 46:40.520]  Before we left, you were speaking with Jeff in Maryland,
[46:40.520 --> 46:45.520]  and now we return to Maryland, Jeff.
[46:45.520 --> 46:48.520]  I think I'm muted. I'm not muted.
[46:48.520 --> 46:51.520]  No, you're not muted. You're live, not Memrex.
[46:51.520 --> 46:56.520]  Now, before we left, we were discussing the possibility of this
[46:56.520 --> 46:59.520]  being a civil rights violation,
[46:59.520 --> 47:05.520]  and you believe that it is not or that it doesn't matter.
[47:05.520 --> 47:09.520]  Well, it isn't so much a case that it doesn't necessarily matter,
[47:09.520 --> 47:15.520]  but what keyed me on this is being able to prove intent.
[47:15.520 --> 47:20.520]  And my thoughts on the matter was that if they file for sanctions
[47:20.520 --> 47:24.520]  under 37C for failure to disclose,
[47:24.520 --> 47:28.520]  especially in a timely manner,
[47:28.520 --> 47:33.520]  since the sanctions on that are basically self-executing and automatic,
[47:33.520 --> 47:37.520]  although you are not prohibited from filing for sanctions,
[47:37.520 --> 47:40.520]  and it's just that no meet and greet is required for them,
[47:40.520 --> 47:49.520]  then you can use that as evidence of intent.
[47:49.520 --> 47:51.520]  That's what I was thinking.
[47:51.520 --> 47:55.520]  I'm trying to put these pieces together in my head.
[47:55.520 --> 47:57.520]  Yeah.
[47:57.520 --> 48:02.520]  If he's required to produce something and he doesn't,
[48:02.520 --> 48:11.520]  then the sanctions are essentially automatic, self-factuated.
[48:11.520 --> 48:12.520]  Yeah.
[48:12.520 --> 48:16.520]  So how do I get this?
[48:16.520 --> 48:22.520]  Do I still have to file for sanctions, or is the judge required to do it?
[48:22.520 --> 48:28.520]  You can do it so he's fine with it, but I would bring it up anyway.
[48:28.520 --> 48:32.520]  Absolutely.
[48:32.520 --> 48:39.520]  Yeah, are you going to wait for the so-called justice system
[48:39.520 --> 48:44.520]  to reprimand somebody in the so-called justice system?
[48:44.520 --> 48:46.520]  It's not going to happen.
[48:46.520 --> 48:51.520]  I'd be fully prepared to raise it.
[48:51.520 --> 48:53.520]  Yeah.
[48:53.520 --> 48:57.520]  That's the question is, at what point in time do you waive that
[48:57.520 --> 49:01.520]  if you don't bring it up?
[49:01.520 --> 49:03.520]  Huh.
[49:03.520 --> 49:09.520]  Okay, if they're self-actuating, can you waive it?
[49:09.520 --> 49:13.520]  If they're self-actuating, then the court should impose them automatically
[49:13.520 --> 49:16.520]  immediately right there on the spot.
[49:16.520 --> 49:19.520]  That should be something that the court is familiar with.
[49:19.520 --> 49:27.520]  And then you can claim, you can go after the court for failing to perform its duty.
[49:27.520 --> 49:28.520]  Are we at a mandamus?
[49:28.520 --> 49:31.520]  The court might be sitting there waiting for you to take action.
[49:31.520 --> 49:34.520]  Could be.
[49:34.520 --> 49:37.520]  Mandamus?
[49:37.520 --> 49:42.520]  No, I would think they want you to remind the court first.
[49:42.520 --> 49:44.520]  Right.
[49:44.520 --> 49:49.520]  I have to back out, I tend to be in that confrontation mode.
[49:49.520 --> 49:52.520]  And I forget we're talking about a civil case.
[49:52.520 --> 49:55.520]  Comes with the territory.
[49:55.520 --> 49:59.520]  Yeah, we all know about you, Randy.
[49:59.520 --> 50:01.520]  Well, thank you.
[50:01.520 --> 50:05.520]  Thank you, Jeff.
[50:05.520 --> 50:12.520]  And the other reason why I called in was that it was Jimmy and Marilyn.
[50:12.520 --> 50:21.520]  Two things, that man must have a court reporter there with him.
[50:21.520 --> 50:24.520]  4K, Senor.
[50:24.520 --> 50:25.520]  Pardon?
[50:25.520 --> 50:27.520]  Please, sir.
[50:27.520 --> 50:29.520]  Tell me more.
[50:29.520 --> 50:30.520]  Driving without a license.
[50:30.520 --> 50:32.520]  Okay.
[50:32.520 --> 50:36.520]  Okay, he was on earlier, he was on last night as well.
[50:36.520 --> 50:37.520]  Okay.
[50:37.520 --> 50:45.520]  He needs to have a court reporter there with him, and I am dead serious about that.
[50:45.520 --> 50:55.520]  In one particular civil trial, I heard a judge say three times, I don't need evidence.
[50:55.520 --> 51:02.520]  After recording from the court reporter, all three times it was garbled.
[51:02.520 --> 51:05.520]  Garbled?
[51:05.520 --> 51:10.520]  Garbled.
[51:10.520 --> 51:11.520]  Really?
[51:11.520 --> 51:13.520]  Yes.
[51:13.520 --> 51:17.520]  But everybody else in the court heard him say, I don't need evidence.
[51:17.520 --> 51:22.520]  There was only the opposing side, and he and his wife.
[51:22.520 --> 51:27.520]  Well, you see, this is why I would encourage anybody and everybody to carry a briefcase with you,
[51:27.520 --> 51:33.520]  and in your briefcase, keep a recorder there.
[51:33.520 --> 51:38.520]  It's not acceptable in court, but a court reporter is.
[51:38.520 --> 51:45.520]  Yeah, but if the court reporter's record is coming back as quote-unquote garbled?
[51:45.520 --> 51:51.520]  I have a way to help the acceptability of it.
[51:51.520 --> 52:02.520]  I went into court, and I was being examined, and this was about a business I had purchased.
[52:02.520 --> 52:10.520]  And the attorney for the other side asked me questions about what went on three years earlier,
[52:10.520 --> 52:19.520]  and I told the attorney exactly what was said, and he asked several questions,
[52:19.520 --> 52:23.520]  and I told him exactly what was said each time, and then he finally said,
[52:23.520 --> 52:28.520]  well, Mr. Kelton, you must have an eidetic memory.
[52:28.520 --> 52:34.520]  Oh, no, I have a terrible memory, and when I said that, the judge ducked his head
[52:34.520 --> 52:36.520]  and put his head in his hand.
[52:36.520 --> 52:38.520]  He saw it coming.
[52:38.520 --> 52:40.520]  The lawyer never caught on.
[52:40.520 --> 52:45.520]  So you have a terrible memory, so how do you know this is exactly what was said?
[52:45.520 --> 52:49.520]  Oh, that, I took that from the transcript.
[52:49.520 --> 52:51.520]  The transcript of what?
[52:51.520 --> 52:54.520]  The tape recording I made. Objection!
[52:54.520 --> 53:03.520]  I withdraw the question. No, no, counselor, you opened that door.
[53:03.520 --> 53:06.520]  So if you make a recording...
[53:06.520 --> 53:10.520]  No, no, no, no, no, Brandy, that'll get you 10 years here.
[53:10.520 --> 53:12.520]  Well, it depends on the state you're in.
[53:12.520 --> 53:20.520]  We're in Texas, and you have no expectation of privacy
[53:20.520 --> 53:27.520]  when you speak in a circumstance where someone else can hear you.
[53:27.520 --> 53:36.520]  Here, if you video record a cut pummeling somebody, you can't record the audio.
[53:36.520 --> 53:40.520]  Can't? That is an odd stipulation.
[53:40.520 --> 53:46.520]  Yep. There was a case about a year, year and a half ago on that.
[53:46.520 --> 53:52.520]  Without regard, there are states that have very strict wiretapping laws,
[53:52.520 --> 53:59.520]  and some of them do cover recording audio and or video.
[53:59.520 --> 54:03.520]  And with that said, then that might not work in all states.
[54:03.520 --> 54:05.520]  However, Texas...
[54:05.520 --> 54:08.520]  It won't work in Pennsylvania. It's a felony.
[54:08.520 --> 54:10.520]  Compensably correct.
[54:10.520 --> 54:15.520]  Now, Texas happens to be a one-party state, as many states are a one-party state.
[54:15.520 --> 54:22.520]  And if I am the party agreeing to record the conversation, then notice given.
[54:22.520 --> 54:30.520]  Now, check your own state statutes, wiretapping laws for...
[54:30.520 --> 54:34.520]  You know, you want to cover all your bases.
[54:34.520 --> 54:40.520]  You don't want to gather evidence and then go to jail for it.
[54:40.520 --> 54:46.520]  Please check your own state statutes for everybody within the sound of our voice.
[54:46.520 --> 54:50.520]  If you're in court, it's a different issue.
[54:50.520 --> 54:55.520]  Last Thursday, before I handed in the criminal complaints to the grand jury,
[54:55.520 --> 54:59.520]  I went to court with another guy who I was with.
[54:59.520 --> 55:04.520]  And before court, I noticed that there was a sign that said you had to turn off all electronic devices.
[55:04.520 --> 55:12.520]  So I went to the clerks and asked if you have... Does the court have accommodation for the hearing impaired?
[55:12.520 --> 55:15.520]  And they said, well, no, we don't.
[55:15.520 --> 55:21.520]  So I said, well, then I want to see either the Supreme Court-approved rule
[55:21.520 --> 55:27.520]  or the statute that authorizes the judge to require that all electronic devices be turned off.
[55:27.520 --> 55:31.520]  And they ran around for a while like chickens with their heads cut off and then went...
[55:31.520 --> 55:32.520]  As they do.
[55:32.520 --> 55:36.520]  And the judge came out and he said, can I help you?
[55:36.520 --> 55:41.520]  I said, yes, I see you have this sign that says I have to turn off all electronic devices,
[55:41.520 --> 55:44.520]  but I want to record your court proceedings.
[55:44.520 --> 55:46.520]  Oh, there's no recording in the courtroom.
[55:46.520 --> 55:48.520]  It would be disruptive.
[55:48.520 --> 55:49.520]  Well, I'm sorry.
[55:49.520 --> 55:56.520]  First, I asked him for the statute or rule that allowed him to issue this order.
[55:56.520 --> 55:59.520]  He said, there is no statute or rule.
[55:59.520 --> 56:01.520]  But I want to videotape your courtroom.
[56:01.520 --> 56:03.520]  There's no videotaping in the courtroom.
[56:03.520 --> 56:05.520]  It would disrupt the proceedings.
[56:05.520 --> 56:10.520]  So I turned to walk away and then I took one step and then stopped.
[56:10.520 --> 56:18.520]  Turned back to the judge and said, well, if I secretly videotape your courtroom,
[56:18.520 --> 56:22.520]  that wouldn't interfere with the proceedings, would it?
[56:22.520 --> 56:27.520]  There's no videotaping in the courtroom.
[56:27.520 --> 56:31.520]  Oh, that was so much fun.
[56:31.520 --> 56:42.520]  The other thing, I think you told him to object and then if he's overruled to stipulate an exception.
[56:42.520 --> 56:43.520]  Yeah.
[56:43.520 --> 56:47.520]  Let the record reflect defendant's exception to the ruling.
[56:47.520 --> 56:49.520]  Mark it for appeal.
[56:49.520 --> 56:50.520]  Yeah.
[56:50.520 --> 56:54.520]  Well, then there's one other expression that you use after that.
[56:54.520 --> 56:56.520]  Okay.
[56:56.520 --> 57:00.520]  Certify.
[57:00.520 --> 57:02.520]  A certified objection?
[57:02.520 --> 57:05.520]  On interlocutory appeal.
[57:05.520 --> 57:06.520]  Yeah.
[57:06.520 --> 57:07.520]  Okay.
[57:07.520 --> 57:08.520]  Say that again.
[57:08.520 --> 57:09.520]  I've missed a part of that.
[57:09.520 --> 57:10.520]  Certified.
[57:10.520 --> 57:12.520]  How do you do certifying?
[57:12.520 --> 57:13.520]  Overruled.
[57:13.520 --> 57:14.520]  Exception.
[57:14.520 --> 57:16.520]  So noted.
[57:16.520 --> 57:20.520]  Certify.
[57:20.520 --> 57:22.520]  What does certified mean?
[57:22.520 --> 57:27.520]  The ruling, you're going to take it up on interlocutory appeal.
[57:27.520 --> 57:32.520]  Why does it require a certified?
[57:32.520 --> 57:35.520]  It's the day and the place.
[57:35.520 --> 57:39.520]  You've got to certify the ruling.
[57:39.520 --> 57:43.520]  If it's certified, then it's admissible.
[57:43.520 --> 57:44.520]  Yep.
[57:44.520 --> 57:49.520]  So if I object in court and it's not certified, it's not admissible?
[57:49.520 --> 57:51.520]  Not necessarily.
[57:51.520 --> 57:53.520]  Not for interlocutory appeal?
[57:53.520 --> 57:56.520]  Correct.
[57:56.520 --> 57:59.520]  That sounds like a booby trap.
[57:59.520 --> 58:00.520]  It is.
[58:00.520 --> 58:04.520]  And it also sounds like we're coming up to a break.
[58:04.520 --> 58:15.520]  Folks, 512-646-1984 will fill the one blank spot that we've got in our list of Jeff, Chuck, and John in Arizona.
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[01:03:00.520 --> 01:03:22.520]  Yeah, a story for everyone to hear about how we're not going to give in to the fear. Yeah, a story.
[01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:47.520]  Welcome back to Rural Law Radio, folks.
[01:03:47.520 --> 01:03:55.520]  Jeff and Marilyn, you raised a very interesting point before we went to the top of the hour break.
[01:03:55.520 --> 01:04:01.520]  For the advantage of the listeners who are just tuning in, bring us back up.
[01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:04.520]  Where did we leave off?
[01:04:04.520 --> 01:04:08.520]  I took off on, just a brief explanation.
[01:04:08.520 --> 01:04:16.520]  I took off on another tangent over the break with Randy related to local government code, which I'd like to touch.
[01:04:16.520 --> 01:04:22.520]  But just to bring us back up to speed, where were we?
[01:04:22.520 --> 01:04:29.520]  Wiretap laws in Maryland were two-way.
[01:04:29.520 --> 01:04:32.520]  And Maryland is two-way.
[01:04:32.520 --> 01:04:38.520]  And I pointed out to you there was a case where they had videotaped a cop
[01:04:38.520 --> 01:04:43.520]  and they were prosecuting the person who recorded it under the wiretap law
[01:04:43.520 --> 01:04:47.520]  because he had recorded audio with the video.
[01:04:47.520 --> 01:04:50.520]  And they got a conviction.
[01:04:50.520 --> 01:04:57.520]  And the reason why a lot of people are not going to remember who Kepetnik was,
[01:04:57.520 --> 01:05:03.520]  and I mentioned Kepetnik earlier on, she was the lady that recorded Lewinsky.
[01:05:03.520 --> 01:05:07.520]  And Maryland charged her under the wiretap laws.
[01:05:07.520 --> 01:05:10.520]  Ouch.
[01:05:10.520 --> 01:05:13.520]  So they're serious about that.
[01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:19.520]  Well, it would certainly then behoove everybody in states other than Texas
[01:05:19.520 --> 01:05:29.520]  to visit your own state statute wiretap laws and find out what side of the fence does your state stand.
[01:05:29.520 --> 01:05:36.520]  Is your state a one-party state, such as Texas, or is your state a multiparty or two-party state?
[01:05:36.520 --> 01:05:41.520]  That meaning that it only, in Texas and other similar states,
[01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:48.520]  it takes only the permission of one party, of a two or more party conversation,
[01:05:48.520 --> 01:05:51.520]  to make record of the conversation.
[01:05:51.520 --> 01:05:58.520]  In other states, you've got to give notification to all parties that the conversation is being recorded,
[01:05:58.520 --> 01:06:02.520]  such as Maryland, and Maryland does not stand alone, I take it.
[01:06:02.520 --> 01:06:04.520]  Notification in Maryland.
[01:06:04.520 --> 01:06:06.520]  Say it again?
[01:06:06.520 --> 01:06:07.520]  Notification.
[01:06:07.520 --> 01:06:10.520]  It is not notification in Maryland.
[01:06:10.520 --> 01:06:12.520]  It is permission.
[01:06:12.520 --> 01:06:13.520]  Permission.
[01:06:13.520 --> 01:06:15.520]  Gotcha.
[01:06:15.520 --> 01:06:17.520]  Gotcha.
[01:06:17.520 --> 01:06:18.520]  Okay.
[01:06:18.520 --> 01:06:20.520]  Big difference.
[01:06:20.520 --> 01:06:22.520]  Yeah.
[01:06:22.520 --> 01:06:29.520]  But that's one of the reasons why I say Jimmy in Maryland needs to take a court report,
[01:06:29.520 --> 01:06:40.520]  because we have seen firsthand the court's recordings becoming garbled or at critical points.
[01:06:40.520 --> 01:06:42.520]  Hmm.
[01:06:42.520 --> 01:06:43.520]  You know.
[01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:44.520]  That's very interesting.
[01:06:44.520 --> 01:06:50.520]  As far as you, trust them about as far as you can pick up, you know, a six-by and throw it.
[01:06:50.520 --> 01:06:51.520]  Yeah.
[01:06:51.520 --> 01:06:53.520]  I got you.
[01:06:53.520 --> 01:06:55.520]  I got you.
[01:06:55.520 --> 01:06:59.520]  A bunch of dirty dealing folks, I'm telling you.
[01:06:59.520 --> 01:07:07.520]  Well, if you'll pardon the language, I believe this entire country is headed to hell in a hand basket.
[01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:15.520]  Well, we're starting to see a lot of judges popping their heads up and making really good decisions,
[01:07:15.520 --> 01:07:18.520]  one of which recently came out of the Eleventh Circuit.
[01:07:18.520 --> 01:07:22.520]  In fact, three of them came out of the Eleventh Circuit here just recently.
[01:07:22.520 --> 01:07:25.520]  And let's see.
[01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:31.520]  As for the lady in Pennsylvania in her Rico case, Randy,
[01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:41.520]  I would remind you of Eric Main versus Chase that you sent to me the latter part of last week.
[01:07:41.520 --> 01:07:44.520]  I got it from Leslie.
[01:07:44.520 --> 01:07:46.520]  Okay.
[01:07:46.520 --> 01:07:54.520]  And the other case is, gosh, hang on a second.
[01:07:54.520 --> 01:07:56.520]  I've got to look it up.
[01:07:56.520 --> 01:07:58.520]  I've got it up on my website.
[01:07:58.520 --> 01:08:08.520]  And Leslie, when we were talking, she made a vague reference to when she mentioned American wholesale lenders,
[01:08:08.520 --> 01:08:12.520]  she was referring to that particular case.
[01:08:12.520 --> 01:08:18.520]  Another case to look at is James versus Encore Capital Group.
[01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:30.520]  And what makes this case rather unique is, yes, it contains Rico in it,
[01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:35.520]  but it's a complete expose of what really goes on with death buyers.
[01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:38.520]  Yeah, I remember that one, too.
[01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:42.520]  I spent several hours mapping that one out.
[01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:47.520]  This was the guy who worked for the FDIC.
[01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:52.520]  That was Main versus Chase.
[01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:53.520]  Oh, you're right.
[01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:55.520]  My bad.
[01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:01.520]  What was the case in Florida about American wholesale lenders?
[01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:02.520]  I don't remember.
[01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:10.520]  This is where the court said that American wholesale lenders was never filed as a corporation in New York.
[01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:11.520]  Therefore, it never existed.
[01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:15.520]  It could not issue a mortgage.
[01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:23.520]  And they had to pay everything back to the warranty deed holder who paid them.
[01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:24.520]  How is this?
[01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:30.520]  Oh, man, I remember the case, but I don't remember how it was filed.
[01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:35.520]  Okay, I've got it somewhere, but I don't remember how it was filed, so I can't find it.
[01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:38.520]  Right.
[01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:45.520]  I keep case law in style.
[01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.520]  Okay, well, that's it.
[01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:50.520]  I'll go back to listening.
[01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:52.520]  Thank you very much, Jeff.
[01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:53.520]  You're welcome.
[01:09:53.520 --> 01:10:01.520]  And I appreciate that you didn't insult me too bad this time.
[01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:07.520]  Listen, you know, you and I are both sort of three little snipes from time to time.
[01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.520]  I have a lot of fun at your expense.
[01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:14.520]  Yes, you do from time to time.
[01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:15.520]  And thank you for that.
[01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:19.520]  So long as it's mutual, it's all fair.
[01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:23.520]  Yeah, well, do you remember the scene from Beretta?
[01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:24.520]  Which one?
[01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:29.520]  You can't do the crime if you can't do the time.
[01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.520]  You can't do the time, right.
[01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:33.520]  So thank you.
[01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:35.520]  I'll go back to listening now.
[01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:36.520]  Good night.
[01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:37.520]  Thank you, Jeff.
[01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:39.520]  Thank you, Jeff.
[01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:44.520]  And Randy, before we go to the next caller, I'd like to cover something that James in Texas,
[01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:56.520]  the caller previous to Jeff and Marilyn brought up that is a failure to file assignments.
[01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:04.520]  There's something that I went back and reread in the Texas Local Government Code.
[01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.520]  I'd like to share that with you.
[01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:13.520]  My headphones keep cutting out, and it sounds like I'm getting muted.
[01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.520]  But let me go back to that page.
[01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.520]  Okay.
[01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:26.520]  Keeping in mind, I'm reading a Texas statute, but other states have language, if not identical,
[01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.520]  but very similar to this.
[01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:34.520]  But in Texas, the Local Government Code, now this covers the filing of assignments
[01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.520]  or the requirement to file assignments of a deed of trust
[01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:47.520]  or filing the assignments of any kind of interest that would have to do with a deed of trust.
[01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:55.520]  Now, when we challenge assignments, we usually challenge the assignment
[01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:59.520]  because it was never made of public record.
[01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:07.520]  The issue that I'm raising is the requirement to make it public record.
[01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:10.520]  Now, such as MERS.
[01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:12.520]  Let's bring MERS into the picture.
[01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:19.520]  More Use Electronic Registration Systems, AKA MERS.
[01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:23.520]  That is a registration system.
[01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:30.520]  Register being the key word here, registration, register, same thing.
[01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:35.520]  It is a registration system by name and by nature.
[01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.520]  That's all it is, is a registration system.
[01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:42.520]  And it is publicly accessible if you have the right information,
[01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:45.520]  such as your social security number.
[01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:46.520]  Okay.
[01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:55.520]  This makes it publicly accessible, but private in that not just anybody can happen by
[01:12:55.520 --> 01:13:00.520]  and look at your financial, look at an individual's financial records.
[01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:10.520]  However, let's go to Texas Local Government Code Section 192.007
[01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:18.520]  in where it states records of releases and other actions.
[01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:27.520]  A, to release, transfer, assign, or take another action relating to an instrument that is filed,
[01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:32.520]  registered, or recorded in the office of the county clerk.
[01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:33.520]  Pause.
[01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:39.520]  That's your local county recorder's office.
[01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:48.520]  A person must register or record another instrument relating to the action,
[01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:53.520]  action being, let's say, a deed of trust,
[01:13:53.520 --> 01:14:05.520]  in the same manner as the original instrument was required to be filed, registered, or recorded.
[01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.520]  Let's revisit.
[01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:15.520]  In the same manner, the original instrument, that would be the original deed of trust, was required.
[01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:22.520]  Mr. Kelton, is there a requirement to file a deed of trust?
[01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:28.520]  Let me read you a passage from Hudson V. Morgan Chase.
[01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:29.520]  Okay.
[01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:34.520]  Hudson versus Morgan Chase, JP Morgan Chase.
[01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:44.520]  We need not address whether 192.007A provides Hudson a...
[01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.520]  I'm losing my place here.
[01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:48.520]  I've got two screens in here.
[01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.520]  Put your glasses back on.
[01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:53.520]  I do, but it's too far away.
[01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:56.520]  Get closer.
[01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:58.520]  Okay.
[01:14:58.520 --> 01:14:59.520]  There we go.
[01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.520]  Start over.
[01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:02.520]  I expanded it.
[01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:04.520]  Now I can't find it.
[01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:10.520]  Annoying.
[01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:12.520]  You tried to make it bigger and lost it?
[01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:13.520]  Yeah.
[01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.520]  It moved off the screen.
[01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:16.520]  There we go.
[01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:18.520]  Okay.
[01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:26.520]  We need not address whether 192.007A provides Hudson a private right of action because regardless of whether Hudson has standing,
[01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:34.520]  192.007 does not impose upon JPMC a duty to record the assignment of the deed of trust.
[01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:37.520]  See, Renegale v. Deutschbank.
[01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:39.520]  Yep.
[01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:52.520]  This obscure provision is best read as a procedural directive to county clerks, not as a prerequisite to the validity of assignments.
[01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:58.520]  Also see Bittinger v. Wells Fargo.
[01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:07.520]  Under Texas law, there is no requirement that the deed of trust assignment be recorded.
[01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:19.520]  The absence of recordation in compliance with section 192.007 of the Texas local government code does not affect the validity of the assigned deed of trust
[01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:24.520]  between the homeowner and the lender.
[01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:31.520]  Because the validity of JP Morgan's deed of trust is not affected by its failure to comply with 192.007,
[01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:39.520]  Hudson's allegation as to JP Morgan Chase's lack of authority to propose without intent is without merit.
[01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:44.520]  Therefore, we refer to this record as dismissal of this claim.
[01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.520]  Steve Abbott.
[01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:51.520]  What's wrong with the plaintiff's argument?
[01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.520]  What's wrong with the plaintiff's argument?
[01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:54.520]  We're going to break.
[01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:55.520]  Hold on. Hold on.
[01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:56.520]  I just heard the music.
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[01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:58.520]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Wheel of Law Radio, and Steve.
[01:19:58.520 --> 01:19:59.520]  Yes.
[01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:03.520]  192007 was the argument.
[01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:04.520]  Correct.
[01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:06.520]  What is wrong with that argument?
[01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:13.520]  What is wrong with that argument, let me turn my dinger off on my phone.
[01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:21.520]  What's wrong with that argument is that the original instrument, that being the Deed of Trust, the security instrument,
[01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:31.520]  was never required to be filed, registered, or recorded in the office of the County Clerk.
[01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:37.520]  Well, what's the problem?
[01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.520]  What happens if I don't file it?
[01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:54.520]  Well, if you don't file it, then you may not have recorded any type of claim that you might want to bring in the future using that instrument.
[01:20:54.520 --> 01:21:04.520]  That's exactly what MERS said in claiming that Craig Watt can sue against MERS for not filing was frivolous.
[01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:05.520]  Yeah.
[01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:14.520]  They said, we have no requirement, however, if we don't file it, we might not have a perfected claim.
[01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:20.520]  Correct. Might? Might not?
[01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:23.520]  They were lawyers, they were hedging their bets.
[01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:31.520]  I understand, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You do not. Period.
[01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:34.520]  Actually not so.
[01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:37.520]  Okay. Elaborate.
[01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:44.520]  You only do not have a perfected claim if the other party does not raise an issue.
[01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:58.520]  Ah, correct. But, under the challenge of an assignment or the failure to file an assignment,
[01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:09.520]  Texas Local Government Code section 192.007 is a very weak and already failing argument.
[01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:21.520]  So, Randy, would you enlighten our Texas residents, sick, in parentheses, on the correct argument?
[01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:31.520]  A claim against real property not properly acknowledged or proven, acknowledged, notary stamp, proven to witnesses,
[01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:42.520]  and filed in the public record is void as to the holder, Texas Government Code, Texas Property Code 13.001.
[01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:52.520]  So, if you have a claim, like you have an assignment, and that assignment has not been properly filed in the public record,
[01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:55.520]  you can use that assignment for toilet paper.
[01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:57.520]  If you rough it up real good.
[01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:07.520]  And that comes directly from District Judge Shipman in Denton County, what he told me about an attorney general's opinion.
[01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:16.520]  So, when MERS answered the suit by Craig Watkins against them,
[01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:22.520]  trying to collect all the monies the clerk would have received had they made all the proper filings,
[01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:32.520]  MERS answered that their suit should be dismissed as it was frivolous because MERS had no duty to file.
[01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:33.520]  That's correct.
[01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:42.520]  And they went on to say, although we have no duty to file, if we don't file, we may not have a perfected claim.
[01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:46.520]  Right, Bubba, your claim is toilet paper.
[01:23:46.520 --> 01:24:06.520]  So, if you have MERS who has filed an assignment of the deed of trust in the record for a mortgage or who's a dead guy, it's also toilet paper.
[01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:10.520]  And I find them not filed all the time.
[01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:20.520]  The whole reason I brought this up was to make a point to those pro se litigants out there.
[01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:27.520]  Make a conscious effort when you research your statutes.
[01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:37.520]  Make a conscious effort to read and completely understand the entire statute.
[01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:43.520]  You cannot cherry pick the pieces that you want out of these statutes.
[01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:54.520]  You must take them as a whole because that one word there towards the end of this Texas statute,
[01:24:54.520 --> 01:25:04.520]  the word required or actually the four words, original instrument was required.
[01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:11.520]  Was the original instrument required to be filed, registered or recorded?
[01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:12.520]  No.
[01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.520]  Then that statute does not apply.
[01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:19.520]  You cannot use that as a defense.
[01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:20.520]  Yes.
[01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:29.520]  And this goes to what Steve has been talking about and what we talk about a lot is they don't speak English in court.
[01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:30.520]  Correct.
[01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:40.520]  And from that perspective, make absolutely sure that you know precisely what each word means
[01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:44.520]  because in court they speak legalese.
[01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:52.520]  Make sure you know what that word means from Black's law dictionary, not from Webster's.
[01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:54.520]  Absolutely.
[01:25:54.520 --> 01:26:01.520]  And when Steve read this particular statute, I hadn't seen it before,
[01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:07.520]  but when he said required, these buzzards instantly went off.
[01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:13.520]  And that's because when I heard required, I said, no, no, wait a minute.
[01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:16.520]  What do they mean by required?
[01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:25.520]  Do they mean statutorily required or do they mean required in order to perfect your claim?
[01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:36.520]  Well, in this particular statute, Randy, it says as the original instrument was required to be filed, registered or recorded.
[01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:38.520]  Original instrument.
[01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:41.520]  What instrument are we talking about?
[01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:46.520]  We're talking about a security instrument in the state of Texas.
[01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:50.520]  It would be a deed of trust in title theory states.
[01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:53.520]  It would be a mortgage.
[01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.520]  Is there a requirement?
[01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:57.520]  No, no, wait a minute.
[01:26:57.520 --> 01:26:59.520]  Here was my issue.
[01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:04.520]  When I read this, I was fully aware of 13.001.
[01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:05.520]  Yeah.
[01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:13.520]  So reading this statute in paramateria with the corpus juris,
[01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:19.520]  meaning that in the expectation that all of the laws are carefully crafted
[01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:23.520]  so they all fit together into a single body of law,
[01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:30.520]  I'm having to ask myself, with 13.001 in place,
[01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:37.520]  13.001 would seem to preempt this particular statute and make it of no purpose
[01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:41.520]  unless required meant something else.
[01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:49.520]  Unless required meant required in order to protect, perfect your claim.
[01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:53.520]  Then this would make sense and have purpose.
[01:27:53.520 --> 01:28:00.520]  But if required means statutory required, then this statute's meaningless, and that's exactly what the court said about it.
[01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.520]  Exactly, exactly.
[01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:10.520]  We really need to exercise mental discipline when we read these things.
[01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.520]  That's called due diligence.
[01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:19.520]  When you're in an issue, you're looking for things that will support your position.
[01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:31.520]  And you tend to lean toward analyzing something in terms of what best suits your position.
[01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:38.520]  Always, always get up from your side of the chessboard.
[01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:42.520]  Sit down with someone sometime and start playing chess.
[01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:49.520]  Get about four moves in and then both of you get up and walk around to the other side of the chessboard.
[01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:51.520]  Sit down and look at it.
[01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:56.520]  You will be amazed at how different it looks.
[01:28:56.520 --> 01:29:02.520]  When you read these statutes from your perspective,
[01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:10.520]  put your perspective down and become opposing counsel and read this from opposing counsel's side.
[01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:12.520]  You must.
[01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.520]  Or they will cremate you.
[01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:18.520]  Yes.
[01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:24.520]  I suggest never use acronyms, never use pronouns.
[01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.520]  In your drafted platings.
[01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:35.520]  Right, because if counsel on the other side can misconstrue your meaning,
[01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:41.520]  they will very consciously and very deliberately misconstrue your meaning.
[01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:49.520]  So always be very conscious of someone deliberately misconstruing what you're saying.
[01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:51.520]  The first rule is never use pronouns.
[01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.520]  Never use acronyms to write it all out.
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[01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:16.520]  I see a tool.
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[01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:26.520]  I see tools of ingenuity.
[01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:29.520]  They usually get some work as I've been liquidated.
[01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:32.520]  Tools of massicability.
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[01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:09.520]  Welcome back.
[01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:13.520]  Welcome back to rural law radio, folks.
[01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.520]  We're having way too much fun on the brakes.
[01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:17.520]  I'm telling you.
[01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:22.520]  I just called the producer a slave driver.
[01:34:22.520 --> 01:34:28.520]  With no further ado, let's go to Ohio and see what Chuck has on his mind.
[01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:30.520]  Hi, Chuck.
[01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:32.520]  How are you doing, guys?
[01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:34.520]  Thank you for bearing with us.
[01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:36.520]  I see that you've been on for quite a while.
[01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:38.520]  I do appreciate your patience.
[01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:40.520]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:44.520]  I can help you with all your murder stuff.
[01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:47.520]  You have a lot of rope, do you?
[01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:49.520]  Yeah, I can do it.
[01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:51.520]  I believe you're in a permissive state.
[01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:54.520]  That's why they can do all the assignments.
[01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:57.520]  And not permissive state, maybe like in that state of Ohio where they have to put
[01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:01.520]  all the assignments in the recorder's office.
[01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:04.520]  I mean, a deed always follows a note.
[01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:08.520]  So when they talk about instruments, they're talking about instruments as both.
[01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:11.520]  They must have both the note and...
[01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:13.520]  Security and negotiable.
[01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:15.520]  Yes, right.
[01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:20.520]  And what happens is that because MERS, we're talking about MERS holding,
[01:35:20.520 --> 01:35:23.520]  are we talking about MERS registry systems?
[01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:24.520]  And there's two of them.
[01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:27.520]  And MERS holding has a...
[01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:35.520]  In relation to Texas Government Code 192.007, that would be registering.
[01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:36.520]  Right.
[01:35:36.520 --> 01:35:37.520]  Simply registering.
[01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:39.520]  They are talking about because they're going to be under...
[01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:41.520]  They're just going to come under MERS.
[01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:43.520]  And then which MERS are you talking about?
[01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:44.520]  Correct.
[01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:45.520]  There's two different MERS.
[01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:46.520]  Right.
[01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:49.520]  So then MERS holding has about six...
[01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:52.520]  It has a board of directors.
[01:35:52.520 --> 01:35:58.520]  They're basically like tabletop lenders, some banks, stuff like that.
[01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:01.520]  And MERS registry systems have no employees whatsoever.
[01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:02.520]  It is bank works.
[01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:04.520]  Correct.
[01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:07.520]  It is a contrived confusion.
[01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:09.520]  It has no assets whatsoever.
[01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:13.520]  And most of the deeds are coming out or have the nominee for the beneficiary.
[01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:16.520]  They're just trying to say that MERS is on title.
[01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:20.520]  And how can a MERS be on a title when it gave no consideration whatsoever
[01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:23.520]  and basically that is only a nominee?
[01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:24.520]  Okay.
[01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:25.520]  Hold on.
[01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:32.520]  I have a question about MERS on the Deed of Trust.
[01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:33.520]  Yeah.
[01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:35.520]  Ian, you have the...
[01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:36.520]  Oh, okay.
[01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:37.520]  I'm sorry.
[01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:41.520]  You're in Illinois and it's a mortgage state.
[01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:42.520]  Minus...
[01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:43.520]  I'm sorry.
[01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:44.520]  You're in Ohio.
[01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:45.520]  Is Ohio a mortgage state?
[01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:47.520]  A mortgage state, yes.
[01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:50.520]  We have a warranty for these mortgages, yes.
[01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:51.520]  Okay.
[01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:56.520]  Then my question is inappropriate for a mortgage state.
[01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:59.520]  In a non-judicial state...
[01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:01.520]  Lean theory.
[01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:08.520]  The Deed of Trust, the first section is all definitions.
[01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:18.520]  The first paragraph of the contract transfers the title to the trustee.
[01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:23.520]  So there are two titles, equitable and legal.
[01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:24.520]  Yeah.
[01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:28.520]  So the trustee gets legal title.
[01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:31.520]  The very next paragraph starts with together with,
[01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:36.520]  together with all improvements or additions so it maintains all the collateral.
[01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:42.520]  Right in the middle of that paragraph, when MERS is involved,
[01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:45.520]  they added something to the middle of the paragraph.
[01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:49.520]  It says you understand that MERS is not the beneficiary.
[01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:53.520]  Now, in the definitions, they're defined as beneficiary nominee.
[01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:55.520]  But in this paragraph, it says they're not the beneficiary,
[01:37:55.520 --> 01:38:00.520]  but merely holds legal title.
[01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:02.520]  Now, wait a minute.
[01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:06.520]  I thought you just gave legal title to the trustee.
[01:38:06.520 --> 01:38:10.520]  So if you do that in the first paragraph, take it away from him in the second paragraph
[01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:13.520]  and give it to MERS, this is not a Deed of Trust.
[01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.520]  It's a mortgage.
[01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:19.520]  Well, which MERS are you talking about, Randy?
[01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:25.520]  I'm talking about the MERS that is named whichever one it turns out to be.
[01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:31.520]  For this argument, it's irrelevant which one it is.
[01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:36.520]  Because it doesn't matter.
[01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:43.520]  Whichever one it is, if it's holding legal title, this is not a Deed of Trust.
[01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:46.520]  The trustee must hold the legal title and he doesn't.
[01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:47.520]  Okay.
[01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:51.520]  Hang on, Chuck. Hang on, Chuck.
[01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:52.520]  Okay.
[01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:59.520]  This is an issue we have when we, especially with proceed legal arguments,
[01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:06.520]  and I'm not being critical at all, we have to be careful about how we make our arguments
[01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:10.520]  and keep our arguments clean and separate.
[01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:20.520]  Here I'm arguing that the assignments within the document itself are invalid.
[01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:23.520]  And you're arguing which MERS.
[01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:26.520]  For this argument doesn't make any difference.
[01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:32.520]  Either the trustee holds legal title or MERS in whatever incarnation holds legal title.
[01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:38.520]  And if MERS holds legal title in any incarnation, it invalidates this document.
[01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:42.520]  It's in violation of state law.
[01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:43.520]  Okay.
[01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:44.520]  I've kind of made my point.
[01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:48.520]  Now let's go to, I've heard people talk about the different MERS before,
[01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:53.520]  but I've never really got a good understanding of the two.
[01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.520]  Can you kind of explain that to us, Chuck?
[01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:58.520]  Yes, I can explain this whole thing.
[01:39:58.520 --> 01:39:59.520]  It's easy to do.
[01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:02.520]  First of all, what you're doing is you're supposed to defend the title.
[01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:03.520]  It says on your title.
[01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:05.520]  Your homeowner is going to defend the title.
[01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:06.520]  Correct.
[01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:08.520]  So does anybody do that, right?
[01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:11.520]  Second of all, does the, when you go into court,
[01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.520]  the first thing the judge is going to say is you're a debtor.
[01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:18.520]  And you're going to say, yeah, I owe this money.
[01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:19.520]  And you just admit it.
[01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:25.520]  Wait a minute, you're a debtor, objection, relevance.
[01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:26.520]  Okay.
[01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:28.520]  I'm assuming that's not as evidence, I would think.
[01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:29.520]  But okay, we can go down, right?
[01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:31.520]  I don't, it's fine with me.
[01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:32.520]  I don't care.
[01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:34.520]  But don't admit to anything.
[01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:38.520]  So then you deny, please, 3-308, UCC, deny, please,
[01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:41.520]  deny signatures, validity of the signatures,
[01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:45.520]  and then claim and then do the 415 claim of recoupment
[01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:49.520]  and say that they're trying to go as a simple contract
[01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:51.520]  and it's unconscionable that the written contract,
[01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.520]  this is a simple contract, because they bifurcated note
[01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.520]  and they sold it to a bunch of investors in the asset.
[01:40:57.520 --> 01:40:59.520]  Hold on, Chuck.
[01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:04.520]  You're talking faster than I can listen.
[01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:13.520]  And on the issue of bifurcation, a lot of people want to argue,
[01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:15.520]  oh, God, what is it?
[01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:19.520]  Oh, geez.
[01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:21.520]  Okay.
[01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.520]  I've had a problem with the bifurcation.
[01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:28.520]  Well, there's, okay, I'm trying, Carpenter v. Longan.
[01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:30.520]  A lot of people want to say Carpenter,
[01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:34.520]  want to argue under Carpenter v. Longan.
[01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:40.520]  Carpenter v. Longan is not a good argument for bifurcation,
[01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:42.520]  in my opinion.
[01:41:42.520 --> 01:41:44.520]  Oh, I'm saying that you did it.
[01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:47.520]  Well, hang on, Chuck, give me just a chance here.
[01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:52.520]  If you want to argue bifurcation, I would argue,
[01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:56.520]  I would rather argue the issue, what is bifurcation?
[01:41:56.520 --> 01:42:00.520]  Bifurcation is the separation of two things.
[01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:04.520]  This would give the inference that two things were,
[01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:09.520]  before the separation, they were conjoined,
[01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:13.520]  such as a note and a deed of trust.
[01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:14.520]  Okay, fine.
[01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:21.520]  Carpenter v. Longan is an incorrect argument in that respect.
[01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:29.520]  A better argument might be that the intangible revenue stream
[01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:35.520]  was bifurcated from the tangible instrument
[01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:38.520]  that you signed on the day of closing.
[01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.520]  What do I mean by that?
[01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:46.520]  What I mean by that is that right after closing,
[01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:51.520]  somebody made a Xerox copy of your note and your deed of trust,
[01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:58.520]  and they sold those copies to a REMIC,
[01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:03.520]  R-E-M-I-C, Real Estate Mortgage Investment Conduit.
[01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:05.520]  Wait a minute, hold on.
[01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:14.520]  Let me make a distinction here so it'll make sense to everybody.
[01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:22.520]  They gave them a copy as evidence of the existence of a promise
[01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:29.520]  as a security for the factored payments.
[01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:32.520]  Most people understand what factoring is.
[01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:34.520]  That is exactly what they did.
[01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:36.520]  They didn't sell the note.
[01:43:36.520 --> 01:43:42.520]  They factored the right to be paid on the note.
[01:43:42.520 --> 01:43:43.520]  That makes sense.
[01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.520]  Hang on, we're about to go to break.
[01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:48.520]  No, it kind of convoluted things, but that's okay.
[01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:50.520]  We'll be right back after this break.
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[01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:32.520]  Welcome back to Rule of Law Radio, folks.
[01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:48.520]  I see that we're in the last segment,
[01:46:48.520 --> 01:46:50.520]  and we're going to try to get to everybody.
[01:46:50.520 --> 01:46:53.520]  I apologize ahead of time if we're not able to.
[01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:57.520]  But with John in Ohio, the issue of bifurcation,
[01:46:57.520 --> 01:46:59.520]  and Randy and I...
[01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:02.520]  Oh, man, let's go down the rabbit hole real quick.
[01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:07.520]  Randy and I were discussing this bifurcation issue
[01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:11.520]  over the break, and before we went to break,
[01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:13.520]  Randy kind of convoluted the issue.
[01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:19.520]  My standpoint was that by, meaning to,
[01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:23.520]  things were separated, the note and the deed of trust,
[01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.520]  that undercarp and debris,
[01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:27.520]  long as not being a very strong argument,
[01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:29.520]  a stronger argument might be
[01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:34.520]  that the intangible revenue stream was bifurcated,
[01:47:34.520 --> 01:47:37.520]  that meaning one thing was removed
[01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:41.520]  from the other only remaining thing,
[01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:44.520]  that the intangible revenue stream
[01:47:44.520 --> 01:47:48.520]  or the promise to pay was stripped from the instrument
[01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:51.520]  that was originally signed,
[01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:53.520]  that being the note that somebody signed
[01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:55.520]  at closing at the table.
[01:47:55.520 --> 01:48:00.520]  The revenue stream or the promise to pay was removed
[01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:12.520]  by process of making a transferable record
[01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:15.520]  pursuant to the UCC.
[01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:25.520]  The record, the digital copy of this instrument
[01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:31.520]  was then sold to investors, multiple investors,
[01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:35.520]  in a real estate investment conduit.
[01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:39.520]  That would, in my mind at the time, was by,
[01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:43.520]  that is two things, tangible from the intangible,
[01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:49.520]  the bifurcation of the intangible revenue stream
[01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:51.520]  from the original instrument,
[01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:54.520]  that would be the separation of two things.
[01:48:54.520 --> 01:48:58.520]  Now, Randy, you brought into mind or into conversation
[01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:05.520]  a third element making what you termed a trifurcation.
[01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:06.520]  Okay, okay.
[01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:08.520]  Would you please elaborate on that?
[01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:10.520]  Grab your britches.
[01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:11.520]  Okay.
[01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:15.520]  Trifurcate, trifurcate, divide.
[01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:17.520]  This is legal theory.
[01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:20.520]  No, this is, I'm reading the definition.
[01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:22.520]  Of trifurcate?
[01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:26.520]  Divide into three branches or forks,
[01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:28.520]  divided into three branches or forks.
[01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:35.520]  Okay, you have in the mortgage, you have a warranty deed,
[01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:40.520]  a deed of trust, and a promise to pay.
[01:49:40.520 --> 01:49:45.520]  Okay, what they do with the promise to pay
[01:49:45.520 --> 01:49:53.520]  is they separate from the promise the right to be paid.
[01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:57.520]  So that essentially makes it three parts.
[01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:00.520]  And this is what Steve's been talking about.
[01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:03.520]  Carpenter Longan talks about the note
[01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:06.520]  and the deed of trust being together.
[01:50:06.520 --> 01:50:10.520]  Okay, what they separated from it
[01:50:10.520 --> 01:50:18.520]  was the right to receive the produce of the promise.
[01:50:18.520 --> 01:50:20.520]  Let me break in here.
[01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:22.520]  There's a difference between a right to receive
[01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:24.520]  and a right to collect.
[01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:26.520]  Okay, right to...
[01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:32.520]  The right to receive rests upon the investor.
[01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:36.520]  The right to collect rests upon the servicer.
[01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:40.520]  Okay, the right to receive is what they sell.
[01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:41.520]  Correct.
[01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:47.520]  So in normal business, they call it factoring.
[01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:51.520]  And the problem here is a deed of trust
[01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:54.520]  or the mortgage is called a security instrument.
[01:50:54.520 --> 01:51:01.520]  Okay, the note when the right to be paid is separated from it
[01:51:01.520 --> 01:51:06.520]  becomes a security for the right to be paid.
[01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:11.520]  Now, the right to be paid is sold into the trust,
[01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.520]  and it is a security on the securities market.
[01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:20.520]  So you've got a security that is a security for a security
[01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:22.520]  that is a security for a security.
[01:51:22.520 --> 01:51:26.520]  And if that's confusing, I think they did that on purpose.
[01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:28.520]  You have a note.
[01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:32.520]  The deed of trust securitizes the note.
[01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:36.520]  The note securitizes the security, the right to be paid.
[01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:41.520]  I'm going to shut up now, and let's let Chuck say something.
[01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:42.520]  Go ahead, Chuck.
[01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:43.520]  Chuck has a burning desire.
[01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.520]  Go ahead, Chuck.
[01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:47.520]  I pretty much think I know what I'm doing.
[01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:48.520]  All right.
[01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:49.520]  First of all, I'm not saying that...
[01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:51.520]  I mean, I know they bifurcated it,
[01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:54.520]  but the problem is that can they convey the interest
[01:51:54.520 --> 01:51:59.520]  to the next person who's got the next assignment?
[01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:03.520]  And UCC-203 says they must give 100% of it,
[01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:07.520]  and since they cannot do that, that's the problem, right?
[01:52:07.520 --> 01:52:09.520]  And then if it gets into the MERS system,
[01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:13.520]  it gets in some other company, pops out of there, right?
[01:52:13.520 --> 01:52:15.520]  But since the company is bankruptcy remote
[01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:18.520]  and can't do anything, it doesn't have any employees, whatever,
[01:52:18.520 --> 01:52:20.520]  who can they what?
[01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:23.520]  So where's the resulting documents that come from that?
[01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:26.520]  So if it's just a typical A-B exchange, that'd be fine.
[01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:29.520]  But when it hits the MERS, who was the person that sold that
[01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:30.520]  to the person?
[01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:32.520]  Where was the consideration?
[01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:33.520]  Where's the gap?
[01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:35.520]  Where's all these assignments?
[01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:37.520]  What were they talking about?
[01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:38.520]  And there isn't any of that.
[01:52:38.520 --> 01:52:42.520]  It's not really so much the resulting document,
[01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:45.520]  which wasn't the last document, was what happened in between.
[01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:49.520]  And since they don't have that document, what happened, right?
[01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:53.520]  And there are 70 million titles in the United States,
[01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:56.520]  but the kryptonite, the one thing they can't overcome
[01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:58.520]  is the notary signatures.
[01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:00.520]  So that's what you're looking for.
[01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:02.520]  If you can find the notary signatures and find out,
[01:53:02.520 --> 01:53:03.520]  do they have that?
[01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.520]  So if we went to, let's say, bank A would be,
[01:53:06.520 --> 01:53:08.520]  let's say like Bank of America, let's say,
[01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:12.520]  went to Case Bank, and then went to another bank,
[01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:15.520]  where is all these signatures that are happening?
[01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:16.520]  And where's the notary?
[01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:18.520]  And they don't have any of that.
[01:53:18.520 --> 01:53:21.520]  And the next part of it, if you've got a course,
[01:53:21.520 --> 01:53:28.520]  they're going to say something like without recourse.
[01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:30.520]  And if it says without recourse,
[01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:32.520]  then it's change of the complexity of the whole thing.
[01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:34.520]  It's not a negotiable instrument anymore.
[01:53:34.520 --> 01:53:35.520]  It's a draft.
[01:53:35.520 --> 01:53:37.520]  And right then and there, it's stopped.
[01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:38.520]  You're right.
[01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:39.520]  Right, right.
[01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:40.520]  Got you.
[01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:41.520]  Somehow, some other way.
[01:53:41.520 --> 01:53:44.520]  So that's kind of like how you look at the whole deal on that.
[01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:46.520]  But that wasn't really what the question was.
[01:53:46.520 --> 01:53:49.520]  The question that I was trying to talk about was on last night.
[01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:50.520]  That was the last call or two.
[01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:52.520]  It ran into a call again.
[01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:56.520]  I was talking about federal rule 5.1,
[01:53:56.520 --> 01:53:58.520]  and then we could talk about this, too.
[01:53:58.520 --> 01:53:59.520]  I mean, I'll call back.
[01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:04.520]  Okay, Chuck, I do apologize that we're so late in the show.
[01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:09.520]  But you have an apparent knowledge of an area
[01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:11.520]  that I'm trying to get clarification on,
[01:54:11.520 --> 01:54:20.520]  and that's the UCC and how the UCC controls these contracts.
[01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:21.520]  Yeah.
[01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:26.520]  Would you be willing to be a guest on my show Thursday?
[01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:29.520]  Right now, you're on a caller bridge.
[01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:31.520]  Thursday, I'll bring you up on the guest bridge.
[01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:35.520]  That way, we can talk on the breaks.
[01:54:35.520 --> 01:54:42.520]  And I would like to go into the UCC as it applies to these contracts
[01:54:42.520 --> 01:54:48.520]  in some more serious detail.
[01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:51.520]  I've struggled to get this for a long time,
[01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:56.520]  but most of the time, I get people that knows a little bit about the UCC,
[01:54:56.520 --> 01:55:00.520]  but not enough to stitch it all together.
[01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:06.520]  Steve said, he played a quote back to me earlier about,
[01:55:06.520 --> 01:55:09.520]  when I told him I made up triification,
[01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:13.520]  he said, I can't go into court without I made it up.
[01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:18.520]  And that was a quote from when I did an interview with Winston Schrout
[01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:23.520]  when he's talking about the bankruptcy and all these other issues,
[01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:31.520]  and he had no undermined legal structure for me to base arguments on.
[01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:34.520]  This is a problem I have with the UCC.
[01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:40.520]  I get bits and pieces, but I never can get it all stitched together.
[01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:42.520]  Could you help us do that?
[01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:46.520]  On UCC, I swear to God, man, I'm a master.
[01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:50.520]  He taught me everything I know about UCC.
[01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:53.520]  Wait a minute, I'm having a little trouble understanding you.
[01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:54.520]  You're getting a bad connection.
[01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:56.520]  I said, the person that ever taught me everything,
[01:55:56.520 --> 01:55:59.520]  I'm indebted truly to that man,
[01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.520]  but he was like Obi-Wan Kenobi or Master Jedi.
[01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:05.520]  I mean, the man knew UCC.
[01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:09.520]  Do you think you could get him to come on here?
[01:56:09.520 --> 01:56:10.520]  I don't know that.
[01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:12.520]  That's much more difficult.
[01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:13.520]  I cannot say yes.
[01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:15.520]  I cannot say no on that,
[01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:19.520]  but I will help you as much as I possibly can on that.
[01:56:19.520 --> 01:56:26.520]  What I'm currently doing right now is doing a presentation for an attorney
[01:56:26.520 --> 01:56:28.520]  because people can go into court,
[01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:30.520]  and you can teach them all about UCC,
[01:56:30.520 --> 01:56:32.520]  but the problem is they have bad case law.
[01:56:32.520 --> 01:56:38.520]  So if you can get in the game and then say that here's how it all works
[01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:41.520]  and then teach an attorney how this is all playing out,
[01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:45.520]  then he can maybe move just to help the homeowner.
[01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:47.520]  So that's kind of where I'm at right now.
[01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:53.520]  This is what the legal reform movement is all about, brother.
[01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:54.520]  Yes.
[01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:56.520]  Networking.
[01:56:56.520 --> 01:57:00.520]  Turning people on to everybody's connections
[01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:09.520]  and working together to reform the legal garbage that we have now.
[01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:15.520]  You understand that Steve and I were doing this show.
[01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:24.520]  We're actually talking to about half a percent of the population.
[01:57:24.520 --> 01:57:30.520]  A lot of people have issues that concern us,
[01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:33.520]  but for the most part their lives are focused somewhere else,
[01:57:33.520 --> 01:57:36.520]  and they have other things that are important to them,
[01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:41.520]  and this crap of sheeple, that's nonsense.
[01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:45.520]  People have issues that are important to them,
[01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:50.520]  and we don't condemn somebody because they can't drop their whole life
[01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:52.520]  and jump on what we're after.
[01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:57.520]  We're looking for those few people out there who are in a position like me.
[01:57:57.520 --> 01:57:59.520]  My kids have grown.
[01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:01.520]  They're out on their own.
[01:58:01.520 --> 01:58:05.520]  I've fulfilled my contract with life.
[01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:07.520]  Now I can go do something different.
[01:58:07.520 --> 01:58:11.520]  There may be a half a percent out there who can do that,
[01:58:11.520 --> 01:58:14.520]  and we're primarily preaching to them.
[01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:17.520]  In the process we're trying to give everybody else remedy,
[01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:20.520]  but we're really looking for the people who can step in our shoes.
[01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:22.520]  Thirty seconds, Randy.
[01:58:22.520 --> 01:58:25.520]  Yeah, you've gone too far.
[01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:29.520]  I think you may be one of those who can help us find some answers
[01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:33.520]  and help us give those half a percent the tools they need.
[01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:40.520]  Chuck, can you contact Randy at randyatruleoflawradio.com?
[01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:41.520]  Yeah, I'll do that.
[01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:43.520]  I'll do that tomorrow.
[01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:45.520]  Okay, we're out of time.
[01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:47.520]  Thank you for listening.
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