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[03:26.000 --> 03:27.760]  Okay, we are back.
[03:27.760 --> 03:33.280]  Randy Kelkin from Gidmore News Law Radio and on the break I was able to contact Steve
[03:33.280 --> 03:34.280]  on cell phone.
[03:34.280 --> 03:39.040]  He's on his way back from the studio and as soon as he gets there he's going to try to
[03:39.040 --> 03:40.040]  chime in.
[03:40.040 --> 03:53.280]  But we're talking to John in Texas and the statute is Effect of Discharge, 11 USC 524.
[03:53.280 --> 04:03.440]  Under this, and enjoy, a discharge in a case under this title voids any judgment at any
[04:03.440 --> 04:10.960]  time obtained to the extent that such judgment is a determination of the personal liability
[04:10.960 --> 04:18.480]  of the debtor with respect to any death discharged under 727, 944, 1141, 12.
[04:18.480 --> 04:26.000]  I looked up all those the other day and they applied to different things.
[04:26.000 --> 04:38.280]  11 USC 524, A2, A, a discharge in a case under this title, 2, operates as an injunction against
[04:38.280 --> 04:46.480]  the commencement or continuation of an action, the employment of a process or an act to
[04:46.480 --> 04:53.760]  collect, recover or offset any such debt as a personal liability of the debtor, whether
[04:53.760 --> 04:58.800]  or not discharge of set death is waived.
[04:58.800 --> 05:00.720]  That is very clear.
[05:00.720 --> 05:07.960]  You need to petition the bankruptcy court for sanctions against the trustee, the bank,
[05:07.960 --> 05:12.480]  the lawyers and the purchaser of the property.
[05:12.480 --> 05:14.840]  Okay.
[05:14.840 --> 05:19.320]  So look that one up, you will like what you find.
[05:19.320 --> 05:28.080]  I did a search on that one when we first talked about it on the air and I found a document,
[05:28.080 --> 05:34.880]  a rather extensive PDF and if you'll send me an email, I'll send it to you and it is
[05:34.880 --> 05:50.040]  arguing that 11 US Code 524 effectively preempt state law and they were showing that the states
[05:50.040 --> 05:59.080]  had argued that this preempt state law, it prevents the state from acting and that was
[05:59.080 --> 06:10.600]  an improper preemption of their state law and effectively the feds told them to go scrap.
[06:10.600 --> 06:17.560]  If we discharge the debt, then the holder can no longer pursue collection.
[06:17.560 --> 06:20.520]  It was very definitive.
[06:20.520 --> 06:26.520]  So now we need to back up and consider what's going on here.
[06:26.520 --> 06:35.480]  Now you have a trustee who had knowledge of the discharge.
[06:35.480 --> 06:42.920]  He either had actual knowledge or he had imputed knowledge and it does not matter a hoot which
[06:42.920 --> 06:54.720]  it is because it is in the public record which the federal bankruptcy court records are public.
[06:54.720 --> 06:59.400]  It's in the public record that the debt has been discharged.
[06:59.400 --> 07:08.240]  The trustee pursued foreclosure or prosecuted the foreclosure after the underlying debt
[07:08.240 --> 07:18.240]  had been discharged in direct contravention of 11 USC 524.
[07:18.240 --> 07:23.680]  First you move for sanctions from the bankruptcy court and in order from the bankruptcy court
[07:23.680 --> 07:33.840]  overturning the foreclosure and then you sue the trustee.
[07:33.840 --> 07:42.560]  When I filed that notice in the deed records, I immediately turned around and asked the guy
[07:42.560 --> 07:49.480]  at the county clerk's office, you better give me a certified copy of what I just filed.
[07:49.480 --> 07:57.480]  I gave the trustee a copy of that certified copy.
[07:57.480 --> 08:05.400]  I have a rule, never interfere with someone when they're screwing up.
[08:05.400 --> 08:09.760]  You follow that rule very well.
[08:09.760 --> 08:13.440]  You have them in a very good position.
[08:13.440 --> 08:20.160]  There's a good chance that the bankruptcy court trustee is not going to be a happy camber
[08:20.160 --> 08:30.160]  and you might look at filing the action against these guys in the bankruptcy case as an adversarial
[08:30.160 --> 08:38.880]  proceeding and that will cement the reopening of the bankruptcy.
[08:38.880 --> 08:52.440]  When I filed the reopening, here's what I said, motion to reopen, also reinstate the
[08:52.440 --> 09:00.400]  automatic stay and for adversity filing to be filed.
[09:00.400 --> 09:11.480]  So you've already noticed an adversarial proceeding, wonderful.
[09:11.480 --> 09:18.360]  Now get the proceeding together and you can base it directly on this statute and these
[09:18.360 --> 09:20.640]  guys got a problem.
[09:20.640 --> 09:27.280]  Their biggest problem is this bell has been rung and you're still in possession of the
[09:27.280 --> 09:33.520]  property but this purchaser calling you and asking you when you're going to leave the
[09:33.520 --> 09:42.240]  property, you're a real sensitive guy and this caused you tremendous emotional distress.
[09:42.240 --> 09:48.120]  Yeah, I had sleep with my dog so nobody bothered me.
[09:48.120 --> 09:49.120]  Exactly.
[09:49.120 --> 09:55.280]  You may have, you know, there's a thing here.
[09:55.280 --> 09:58.840]  It's about jurisdiction.
[09:58.840 --> 10:05.640]  Judges don't like people interfering with their jurisdiction.
[10:05.640 --> 10:15.480]  And here we have the trustee after the bankruptcy trustee has entered or the bankruptcy judge
[10:15.480 --> 10:23.200]  has entered his ruling, just ignoring the federal court's ruling and acting anyway.
[10:23.200 --> 10:33.560]  I would suggest you consider filing official oppression charges against the trustee and
[10:33.560 --> 10:47.280]  I wish I had Steve here because I think it's civil torts and remedies 141.
[10:47.280 --> 10:58.280]  It used to be that criminal, that conversion of real property was a, was sueable under
[10:58.280 --> 10:59.280]  conversion.
[10:59.280 --> 11:02.600]  You can't sue under conversion anymore.
[11:02.600 --> 11:13.720]  Now you sue under a specific tort, a tort, I believe it's 141 of the civil torts and remedies
[11:13.720 --> 11:14.720]  code.
[11:14.720 --> 11:21.280]  I don't multitask well or I could look it up while I'm on here.
[11:21.280 --> 11:32.520]  But it is specifically passed for this purpose to sue someone for improperly converting your
[11:32.520 --> 11:37.240]  property to someone else.
[11:37.240 --> 11:45.040]  And you've done all your steps, you've set everything up for them.
[11:45.040 --> 11:55.440]  By giving the trustee a certified copy of the bankruptcy proceedings, you can't claim
[11:55.440 --> 11:56.440]  good faith.
[11:56.440 --> 12:00.400]  They got a real problem.
[12:00.400 --> 12:06.920]  You could well get the foreclosure overturned and stick it all together and stop that whole
[12:06.920 --> 12:15.000]  thing and then get to go back and sue the Crapola out of them.
[12:15.000 --> 12:17.000]  I've taken up a good bit of your time.
[12:17.000 --> 12:18.000]  I will email you.
[12:18.000 --> 12:24.360]  Now one quick thing I want to tell you, that software you're talking about, I've got that
[12:24.360 --> 12:26.320]  software now on my iPhone.
[12:26.320 --> 12:28.480]  It's called Where Am I.
[12:28.480 --> 12:30.720]  That's the name of it.
[12:30.720 --> 12:34.720]  You know, it tells the person where they're at, their phone.
[12:34.720 --> 12:37.080]  Oh, yes, yes.
[12:37.080 --> 12:38.400]  Do you have that?
[12:38.400 --> 12:41.800]  I have some of those.
[12:41.800 --> 12:49.080]  I've got one where I can put in your cell phone and it'll tell me where you're at.
[12:49.080 --> 12:51.000]  Oh yeah, Google got that.
[12:51.000 --> 12:56.800]  Yeah, so I know that, you know, for the app is in there and that's one of the things.
[12:56.800 --> 13:08.400]  I found a site today that has app templates and all of these things I can find in templates.
[13:08.400 --> 13:13.040]  Generally, the template is a complete app and it does other stuff.
[13:13.040 --> 13:17.960]  But I can download the template and then extract from the template the part that I need.
[13:17.960 --> 13:23.000]  So it'll make this a whole lot easier to put these apps together.
[13:23.000 --> 13:24.000]  Yeah.
[13:24.000 --> 13:25.000]  Okay.
[13:25.000 --> 13:29.280]  So Randy, I'm going to let you go because I want other people to have time to talk and
[13:29.280 --> 13:32.480]  I want to email you that information.
[13:32.480 --> 13:34.640]  Keep us up to date on what happens.
[13:34.640 --> 13:35.640]  Okay.
[13:35.640 --> 13:36.640]  Thank you very much.
[13:36.640 --> 13:37.640]  Okay.
[13:37.640 --> 13:38.640]  Thank you, John.
[13:38.640 --> 13:41.000]  Now we're going to go to Chris in Florida.
[13:41.000 --> 13:42.000]  Hello, Chris.
[13:42.000 --> 13:44.000]  Where do you have for us?
[13:44.000 --> 13:46.000]  Good evening, Annie.
[13:46.000 --> 13:47.000]  Randy.
[13:47.000 --> 13:50.000]  Trying to get back into the phone.
[13:50.000 --> 13:58.160]  Randy, I just stepped out of court yesterday where I had my second motion to quash service
[13:58.160 --> 14:14.480]  granted and for that hearing, I hired a court reporter who isn't being on the first hearing.
[14:14.480 --> 14:15.480]  Okay.
[14:15.480 --> 14:16.480]  Okay.
[14:16.480 --> 14:20.360]  So I had a motion to quash granted.
[14:20.360 --> 14:21.600]  That's correct.
[14:21.600 --> 14:25.720]  What was the motion asking to be quashed?
[14:25.720 --> 14:31.240]  Quash the service of the documents.
[14:31.240 --> 14:34.760]  They had not served me the documents on time.
[14:34.760 --> 14:35.760]  Okay.
[14:35.760 --> 14:36.760]  Proper service.
[14:36.760 --> 14:37.760]  Okay.
[14:37.760 --> 14:38.760]  That's correct.
[14:38.760 --> 14:39.760]  Okay.
[14:39.760 --> 14:40.760]  So go ahead.
[14:40.760 --> 14:50.800]  All right, so for that second quash, which was granted, I had a court reporter go in
[14:50.800 --> 15:04.520]  the hearing and I was afraid that the first event where I was present and the judge himself
[15:04.520 --> 15:09.440]  tried to serve me, I was afraid that would happen again.
[15:09.440 --> 15:18.240]  So I did not go into the hearing myself, but I had the court reporter there to take notes.
[15:18.240 --> 15:25.080]  Now, my question would be to what extent would it be important for me to buy, I mean, it's
[15:25.080 --> 15:27.960]  quite expensive to get the report.
[15:27.960 --> 15:28.960]  Okay.
[15:28.960 --> 15:29.960]  In Texas.
[15:29.960 --> 15:30.960]  Yes.
[15:30.960 --> 15:41.080]  If you actively avoid service, that's a felony.
[15:41.080 --> 15:42.080]  From the judge.
[15:42.080 --> 15:49.320]  It didn't matter who you avoid service from, avoidance of service in Texas is a felony.
[15:49.320 --> 15:57.320]  You might check Florida law to make sure you're not stepping into a bear trap.
[15:57.320 --> 15:59.320]  Fully understood.
[15:59.320 --> 16:07.360]  Yeah, and service is something that if they don't do it right and they've already foreclosed
[16:07.360 --> 16:12.120]  that they can harm against them.
[16:12.120 --> 16:14.280]  Have they already foreclosed on you?
[16:14.280 --> 16:19.200]  No, he has not even started yet because they have property for a while.
[16:19.200 --> 16:20.200]  Okay.
[16:20.200 --> 16:29.840]  And the suggestion to you is if you have, you know, this, the lack of proper service,
[16:29.840 --> 16:35.920]  that was something that you should have just stood back and let them walk through the process
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[16:39.800 --> 16:46.720]  Once they foreclose, you harm, then you go back and show lack of service.
[16:46.720 --> 16:50.800]  And now they have started everything over again and you get to countershoot for the
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[19:32.160 --> 19:33.160]  Randy Kelton with Steve Skidmore, rule of law radio, and we're talking to Chris in Florida,
[19:33.160 --> 19:34.160]  and I ran off the cliff again.
[19:34.160 --> 19:41.760]  When I'm talking, I can't hear the bumper music, so sometimes I've fought off, that's
[19:41.760 --> 19:44.880]  what we call talking through the break.
[19:44.880 --> 19:49.720]  Okay, Chris, you got me?
[19:49.720 --> 19:53.720]  The main idea of my question.
[19:53.720 --> 19:54.720]  What's the next step?
[19:54.720 --> 19:55.720]  Sure.
[19:55.720 --> 20:09.800]  Now I have this report, the script of the year, which I could not be there, and how important
[20:09.800 --> 20:15.480]  can I use that script, should I purchase that script, do we use it at a later time to just
[20:15.480 --> 20:25.800]  oh, and by the way, the plaintiff never showed up, so I'm waiving the judges out of them,
[20:25.800 --> 20:26.800]  and...
[20:26.800 --> 20:34.520]  Well that was probably strategic, they were probably aware that they were going to get
[20:34.520 --> 20:38.160]  this ruling against them, so there was no need to show up.
[20:38.160 --> 20:43.440]  That was my first thought.
[20:43.440 --> 20:47.960]  So why waste the attorney's time when you're going to get to rule against them anyway?
[20:47.960 --> 20:52.960]  This is just showing that they had no objection, that they were telling the court, yeah, they
[20:52.960 --> 20:56.200]  realized they screwed it up, and they'll have to fix it.
[20:56.200 --> 21:06.360]  But your concern of the judge serving you, he doesn't have any authority to do that.
[21:06.360 --> 21:14.640]  It's him entering into it, the other party is required to serve you, not the judge.
[21:14.640 --> 21:19.520]  When the judge becomes a processer, then you ask for the judge to stand down from the bench,
[21:19.520 --> 21:23.800]  so you probably didn't have to worry about that part.
[21:23.800 --> 21:30.680]  I've heard quite a few things in Florida, and that wouldn't be the most strange one.
[21:30.680 --> 21:34.400]  So Randy, when it comes down to that script, I mean, would it be important for me to have
[21:34.400 --> 21:39.360]  that script on a hearing that the plaintiff never showed up and I'm here?
[21:39.360 --> 21:43.240]  No, no, that would be, it's not relevant.
[21:43.240 --> 21:50.760]  The plaintiff didn't show up, he got a ruling against him, so you can't, everything you
[21:50.760 --> 22:00.080]  do, always think in terms of how does this harm me, because that's what the judge is
[22:00.080 --> 22:01.080]  going to say.
[22:01.080 --> 22:04.960]  You're going to say, but he didn't show up to the hearing, and the judge is going to
[22:04.960 --> 22:08.320]  say, so what?
[22:08.320 --> 22:14.280]  Assume that every claim you make, the judge is going to say, so what?
[22:14.280 --> 22:21.080]  And make sure you have the so what answered before it's ever asked.
[22:21.080 --> 22:25.680]  So what means how were you harmed?
[22:25.680 --> 22:29.040]  Does that make sense?
[22:29.040 --> 22:31.040]  Yes, it does.
[22:31.040 --> 22:36.520]  And that's why I was trying to find a way to figure that out, I mean, how can I use
[22:36.520 --> 22:44.960]  that script to show that I was harmed, and evidently I would be, I would have lost my
[22:44.960 --> 22:49.560]  case if I didn't show up, which doesn't happen to the plaintiff's side, but...
[22:49.560 --> 22:55.240]  Yeah, in this case, you weren't harmed, you won.
[22:55.240 --> 22:58.560]  So you had no harm to claim.
[22:58.560 --> 23:05.480]  All right, that's all there is to my question right now, thank you for your help.
[23:05.480 --> 23:08.240]  Okay, thank you, Chris.
[23:08.240 --> 23:12.840]  Now we're going to go to Jennifer in Wisconsin.
[23:12.840 --> 23:13.840]  Hello Jennifer.
[23:13.840 --> 23:18.680]  Hi Randy, this is Jennifer, how are you doing?
[23:18.680 --> 23:19.680]  I'm doing good.
[23:19.680 --> 23:21.800]  What do you have for us today?
[23:21.800 --> 23:31.320]  Actually I had listened to a radio show with two moms on a burrow with David Roach and
[23:31.320 --> 23:35.040]  True Freeman from Indiana.
[23:35.040 --> 23:43.640]  Now I know Carol Klein and I know David Roach, they're somewhat assisting me in a situation
[23:43.640 --> 23:44.640]  here in Wisconsin.
[23:44.640 --> 23:52.440]  I'll give you a brief description, we're going on a little over 10 years in regards
[23:52.440 --> 24:03.800]  to children being awarded to the abuser, and it's come to a situation where he's now trying
[24:03.800 --> 24:10.920]  to lead the state of Wisconsin, some affidavits have been filed, we found out that the courts
[24:10.920 --> 24:21.560]  are not sitting on their ulcer bonds and they never rebutted the affidavit and they do have
[24:21.560 --> 24:28.360]  me on child support, I've been on child support since 2007 and I've come to learn that I can
[24:28.360 --> 24:36.120]  do a cease and desist, I did that back in August and in September they did a contempt
[24:36.120 --> 24:48.240]  to court where I was supposed to show up October 28, but we did a hearing via by phone and
[24:48.240 --> 24:58.400]  I had sent in a letter requesting the phone hearing versus the general appearance and
[24:58.400 --> 25:10.320]  it ended up where I, the letter stated something in regards to my status and that I'm not
[25:10.320 --> 25:19.360]  this surety and I know about the use of frunk and make it more simple, they're going to
[25:19.360 --> 25:27.040]  bring me in for an evidentiary hearing and I did state on that hearing over the telephone
[25:27.040 --> 25:35.720]  that I was not the person, Jennifer with my last name, I was the natural person.
[25:35.720 --> 25:54.880]  They have not serviced me with the hearing date notice for this December 11th and I don't
[25:54.880 --> 25:55.880]  know what I'm going to do yet.
[25:55.880 --> 26:03.080]  Okay, be careful here because they don't have to do service on you for that purpose.
[26:03.080 --> 26:16.280]  You're expected to keep track of the court involved, whoever sets a hearing is required
[26:16.280 --> 26:21.480]  to give you notice but not service, you don't have to be served.
[26:21.480 --> 26:27.640]  The only thing that has to be served is the original petition, so when you said they have
[26:27.640 --> 26:35.760]  not served me, did you mean that they haven't given you notice or that they haven't had
[26:35.760 --> 26:39.040]  notice served on you?
[26:39.040 --> 26:47.840]  They wrote on that October 28th hearing, they sent over the phone that they were going to
[26:47.840 --> 26:51.560]  send the paperwork and they never sent anything.
[26:51.560 --> 26:59.640]  Okay, but if you had constructive notice of the hearing, that's sufficient because the
[26:59.640 --> 27:08.800]  courts are not going to, they're going to act on what's objectively reasonable.
[27:08.800 --> 27:16.200]  So if you essentially had sufficient notice, whether they sent it, if they said they sent
[27:16.200 --> 27:22.920]  it and they didn't, it goes back to what was in the last call, how were you harmed by them
[27:22.920 --> 27:30.520]  not sending the paper notice when you had been given a verbal notice over the phone.
[27:30.520 --> 27:39.600]  One of the things we have to be careful about is making arguments that even if you win,
[27:39.600 --> 27:44.200]  you've gained no ground.
[27:44.200 --> 27:53.800]  I'm a combat veteran and when you're playing with those kinds of stakes, this becomes critical.
[27:53.800 --> 28:00.320]  Even if you can win this fight, if winning the fight is not going to move you toward
[28:00.320 --> 28:06.840]  winning the war or is not going to gain you some advantage in that direction, stay out
[28:06.840 --> 28:11.040]  of the fight, avoid it.
[28:11.040 --> 28:18.600]  And here, pick your battles very carefully and always think in terms, how am I harmed
[28:18.600 --> 28:25.320]  and how can I show harm in the most substantial harm.
[28:25.320 --> 28:37.040]  First of all, child support is deemed unconstitutional and you're not going to win that battle.
[28:37.040 --> 28:38.040]  Okay.
[28:38.040 --> 28:42.520]  I'm telling you, that's a battle you will not win.
[28:42.520 --> 28:51.240]  You may be right, it may be unconstitutional, but in the real world you and I live in, there
[28:51.240 --> 28:57.920]  are things we can win, there are things we can't win and that's one you will never win.
[28:57.920 --> 28:58.920]  Okay.
[28:58.920 --> 29:07.760]  Second of all, they have taken the children away unlawfully.
[29:07.760 --> 29:13.960]  Now that's where they have harmed me and I mean unlawfully is they did an emergency
[29:13.960 --> 29:18.000]  ex parte without due process.
[29:18.000 --> 29:28.880]  I wasn't notified and they did it to cover what they thought was just pure allegations
[29:28.880 --> 29:38.080]  because in most family cases, when the mother or the other parent- Okay, hang on, we're
[29:38.080 --> 29:41.880]  about to go to break, we'll pick this up on the other side.
[29:41.880 --> 29:48.440]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore with our radio and take special note that I didn't
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[33:21.720 --> 33:51.680]  Okay we are back, Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore with the Law Radio and we're talking to Jay
[33:51.680 --> 33:52.680]  Kalton.
[33:52.680 --> 34:07.560]  Okay you're in a divorce and I take it that they have taken the children, oops hold on
[34:07.560 --> 34:16.660]  okay now you're live, my bad I thought I brought you live but okay your live man, Jennifer.
[34:16.660 --> 34:18.660]  There are multiple.
[34:18.660 --> 34:27.060]  The females are, there's three of them, and then there's a son who is now of age of 24.
[34:27.060 --> 34:31.020]  The girls were the age of four, four and five at the time.
[34:31.020 --> 34:39.580]  He was 11, and the husband was removed for domestic violence.
[34:39.580 --> 34:48.140]  Once he filed for a divorce, he basically got temporary custody where he had him Tuesday,
[34:48.140 --> 34:50.220]  Thursday, and every other weekend.
[34:50.220 --> 34:54.980]  Now, the Tuesday and Thursday would be from six o'clock at night until nine o'clock at
[34:54.980 --> 34:55.980]  night.
[34:55.980 --> 35:01.700]  Eventually, I found out through the course of maybe two weeks that there was something
[35:01.700 --> 35:05.620]  going on which warranted me to bring them to the hospital.
[35:05.620 --> 35:10.860]  The hospital was found blatant abuse.
[35:10.860 --> 35:11.860]  The police were called.
[35:11.860 --> 35:13.140]  They did nothing about it.
[35:13.140 --> 35:23.580]  It went on for several months up until January 29th approximately in the year of 2004, and
[35:23.580 --> 35:30.780]  they did an emergency ex parte because the last time that they were in the hospital, which
[35:30.780 --> 35:37.380]  is a private doctor, the man ordered me to go back to the hospital even though I felt
[35:37.380 --> 35:45.900]  like they did not believe me, and I felt like I didn't know what to do because the wounds
[35:45.900 --> 35:51.860]  on them were excruciating, and so were the exams that they had to do.
[35:51.860 --> 35:57.340]  There's massive evidence of the abuses.
[35:57.340 --> 36:03.940]  Okay, so you're talking about physical abuse, not sexual abuse?
[36:03.940 --> 36:09.140]  I didn't want to say that over the phone, yeah.
[36:09.140 --> 36:11.620]  I've come to the conclusion that I don't.
[36:11.620 --> 36:14.060]  Okay, we'll just leave it in abuse.
[36:14.060 --> 36:18.860]  Okay, they have evidence of this abuse.
[36:18.860 --> 36:23.900]  You might look up the doctrine of depraved heart assault.
[36:23.900 --> 36:27.140]  I'm sorry?
[36:27.140 --> 36:32.940]  You might try looking up the doctrine, you're in Wisconsin, right?
[36:32.940 --> 36:34.300]  Correct, yeah.
[36:34.300 --> 36:38.740]  Look up depraved heart assault.
[36:38.740 --> 36:40.740]  I'm going to do it right now.
[36:40.740 --> 36:47.740]  You just wrote a muscle when you said that.
[36:47.740 --> 36:50.980]  I didn't understand.
[36:50.980 --> 36:52.980]  Depraved?
[36:52.980 --> 36:54.780]  Depraved heart assault.
[36:54.780 --> 37:09.220]  I did a search, I'm not seeing depraved heart in Wisconsin, but depraved heart can be charged
[37:09.220 --> 37:12.500]  in the Fed.
[37:12.500 --> 37:24.380]  If I have knowledge that someone say is about to commit suicide, and there is something
[37:24.380 --> 37:29.580]  I can do to prevent that, and I don't.
[37:29.580 --> 37:40.900]  I can be charged with depraved heart murder, and hear where the courts have actual documented
[37:40.900 --> 37:49.820]  evidence of assault against these children, and refuse to take action when they had a
[37:49.820 --> 37:58.220]  duty to take action, and subsequent assaults occurred, that's depraved heart assault, and
[37:58.220 --> 38:04.180]  that's a denial of the children's right to do process, and that you can take to the Federal
[38:04.180 --> 38:05.180]  Court.
[38:05.180 --> 38:06.180]  Okay.
[38:06.180 --> 38:17.020]  This situation is so bad that I sometimes have a hard time talking about it.
[38:17.020 --> 38:26.100]  I understand, I've done seminars all over the country, and everywhere I go, the family
[38:26.100 --> 38:31.460]  courts are by far the most corrupt.
[38:31.460 --> 38:39.100]  I was once, they paid me to go to Australia to do some seminars down there, and when I
[38:39.100 --> 38:44.620]  got to Australia, they picked me up at the airport, and drove on the wrong side of the
[38:44.620 --> 38:53.820]  road, all the way to the hotel, but when we got to the Sydney Bay Bridge, there was a
[38:53.820 --> 39:06.220]  guy up on the bridge with a big banner, decrying the family law courts in Australia.
[39:06.220 --> 39:13.500]  The primary reason they brought me there was because of the corruption in the family courts.
[39:13.500 --> 39:22.020]  Everywhere, this is a big problem, and the reason is, is you have two people here who
[39:22.020 --> 39:34.460]  are in extreme turmoil, and the lawyers, they get together and look at the estate of the
[39:34.460 --> 39:43.060]  two individuals, and whether they do this directly or not, indirectly, they look at
[39:43.060 --> 39:50.260]  the case and decide how much they can extract from the estate before they allow the parties
[39:50.260 --> 39:53.380]  to come together and make a deal.
[39:53.380 --> 40:01.740]  If one party has all the money and the other party doesn't, then the party with no money
[40:01.740 --> 40:09.540]  is going to get screwed because the lawyer on your side, if you're the one without money,
[40:09.540 --> 40:15.140]  doesn't have a lot of money to gain from you, so he's not going to help you, and the other
[40:15.140 --> 40:21.140]  side is going to do everything he can to extract all the money from the guy with the cash that
[40:21.140 --> 40:22.660]  he can.
[40:22.660 --> 40:26.780]  It's like a four-sided chessboard.
[40:26.780 --> 40:32.260]  You think when you go into court, it's you and the other litigant.
[40:32.260 --> 40:34.700]  It's not.
[40:34.700 --> 40:39.740]  It's you on one side of the chessboard.
[40:39.740 --> 40:47.260]  Your attorney to your right, opposing counsel to your left, and the judge across from you.
[40:47.260 --> 40:52.540]  Everybody sitting at the board has relationships with one another.
[40:52.540 --> 40:56.100]  You have a relationship with your lawyer.
[40:56.100 --> 41:01.740]  Your lawyer has a relationship to the other lawyers.
[41:01.740 --> 41:09.860]  So that creates a problem.
[41:09.860 --> 41:15.660]  Once we understand how it really works, it gives us a clue how to make things work more
[41:15.660 --> 41:18.340]  in our favor.
[41:18.340 --> 41:26.220]  Because the judge is part of the lawyer group, he was one of those lawyers.
[41:26.220 --> 41:35.300]  He became the judge, and we don't have evidence that the judges are being paid off, but the
[41:35.300 --> 41:45.540]  nature of the cases indicate that they are, because the rulings we're seeing are so outrageous.
[41:45.540 --> 41:51.220]  I was told that through Carol Klein, the one that you did this, I believe it was the last
[41:51.220 --> 41:58.140]  day, the day before Mother's Day, is the recording that I just got done listening to.
[41:58.140 --> 42:04.020]  She had told me it's because they're robbing the mother's estate, and with my situation,
[42:04.020 --> 42:11.180]  I got three girls, they're robbing their estate too.
[42:11.180 --> 42:12.180]  That's what they do.
[42:12.180 --> 42:21.820]  Lawyers are in business not to fiercely adjudicate your rights.
[42:21.820 --> 42:31.140]  They're in business to make money, and money first.
[42:31.140 --> 42:36.100]  What we have to do is understand that it doesn't do much good to complain about it.
[42:36.100 --> 42:40.740]  It's just the nature of the way human beings are.
[42:40.740 --> 42:45.340]  It's important we understand it, it's all about the money.
[42:45.340 --> 42:51.660]  So how do we use that against the lawyers?
[42:51.660 --> 42:58.820]  Well, you've bargered the crap out of opposing counsel for one thing.
[42:58.820 --> 43:04.940]  You file a federal lawsuit against the judge for depraved heart assault.
[43:04.940 --> 43:10.220]  The judge is not going to be a happy camper.
[43:10.220 --> 43:17.820]  Just now, this really makes the judge look bad, and the feds tend to like to flex their
[43:17.820 --> 43:31.180]  muscles on the state, and even if they don't, it's not only the judges, it was the court
[43:31.180 --> 43:40.700]  commissioners that took them away, and then the judge who did the divorce gave them full
[43:40.700 --> 43:41.700]  custody.
[43:41.700 --> 43:46.900]  Okay, well in Texas we don't have court commissioners, so I didn't know who addressed them.
[43:46.900 --> 43:52.540]  But whoever's doing it, okay, hang on, we're about to go to break.
[43:52.540 --> 43:53.540]  This is Randy Kelton.
[43:53.540 --> 43:54.540]  Yeah.
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[46:23.380 --> 46:35.860]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, rule of law radio, and Jennifer, while we
[46:35.860 --> 46:46.780]  were on the break, I got an opportunity to look at my search a little and I found it.
[46:46.780 --> 46:55.140]  Lawyers, we need to think outside the box, lawyers, they tend to stay very close inside
[46:55.140 --> 46:56.700]  the box.
[46:56.700 --> 47:00.500]  They don't want to do anything they haven't done before, and that's part of the reason
[47:00.500 --> 47:02.020]  they hate pro ses.
[47:02.020 --> 47:04.660]  Pro ses make them work.
[47:04.660 --> 47:12.780]  Let me read to you, this is from a Wisconsin lawyer, a female lawyer who works for women's
[47:12.780 --> 47:13.780]  rights.
[47:13.780 --> 47:20.660]  What I may do, if you'd like, is I'll send you her contact information if you see me
[47:20.660 --> 47:21.660]  in email.
[47:21.660 --> 47:28.260]  This is what I found in a section on premeditated murder, murder with malice or forethought,
[47:28.260 --> 47:34.380]  and wanton or depraved tariff murder are common law terms equivalent to Wisconsin's first
[47:34.380 --> 47:37.780]  degree attentional homicide statute.
[47:37.780 --> 47:43.500]  Premeditated murder is murdered with malice or forethought, malice is an intent to kill,
[47:43.500 --> 47:49.340]  and a forethought is the deliberation upon that intent.
[47:49.340 --> 47:56.180]  Deliberation only requires a secondary thought and momentary reconsideration.
[47:56.180 --> 48:04.740]  Wanton disregard for human life is a malice mens rea, mens rea means culpable state of
[48:04.740 --> 48:06.700]  mind.
[48:06.700 --> 48:13.380]  A depraved heart is the same as wanton disregard for human life.
[48:13.380 --> 48:16.980]  It is without regard for another person's life.
[48:16.980 --> 48:24.180]  So you do have the concept of depraved heart in Wisconsin.
[48:24.180 --> 48:27.780]  Now this happens to be addressing first degree murder.
[48:27.780 --> 48:32.460]  It goes on down and addresses the lesser ones.
[48:32.460 --> 48:39.940]  But if you have a judge here who has clear and convincing evidence, evidence that would
[48:39.940 --> 48:49.460]  give a reasonable person of ordinary prudence caused to believe that physical harm was coming
[48:49.460 --> 48:56.540]  to these children, and the judge, who is in a position where it is his duty to protect
[48:56.540 --> 49:02.980]  the children, fails to protect the children and leaves them in this situation.
[49:02.980 --> 49:08.940]  He denies the children in their right to do process.
[49:08.940 --> 49:13.020]  And he does so with a depraved heart.
[49:13.020 --> 49:21.180]  I'm telling you, if you charge this judge with depraved heart assault and you get that
[49:21.180 --> 49:27.940]  to the newspapers, this is exactly the kinds of things they would love to pick up because
[49:27.940 --> 49:38.860]  depraved heart is such an ugly, then juicy sounding word.
[49:38.860 --> 49:42.020]  Every keep in mind everything is political.
[49:42.020 --> 49:46.900]  You will never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side
[49:46.900 --> 49:49.620]  to think so is naive.
[49:49.620 --> 49:55.180]  You will only win the case if you have the politics on your side and all politics is
[49:55.180 --> 49:57.100]  local.
[49:57.100 --> 50:05.940]  This will create you some local politics if you file a federal lawsuit or a federal charges
[50:05.940 --> 50:12.540]  of depraved heart assault against the judge.
[50:12.540 --> 50:15.820]  Everybody's going to get real excited.
[50:15.820 --> 50:23.260]  And you never know, you may actually have a U.S. attorney who would like an opportunity
[50:23.260 --> 50:27.340]  to make himself look good.
[50:27.340 --> 50:35.380]  Keep in mind, we have a presidential election coming up in two years.
[50:35.380 --> 50:46.500]  And the Republicans just won a landslide victory in this last election.
[50:46.500 --> 50:52.620]  The biggest turnover ever in history.
[50:52.620 --> 51:01.500]  So the expectation is that the Republican presidential candidate will have a serious
[51:01.500 --> 51:07.020]  advantage going into the next election.
[51:07.020 --> 51:16.740]  And when he takes office, every U.S. attorney must turn in his resignation.
[51:16.740 --> 51:22.740]  And the president decides rather to accept the resignation or not.
[51:22.740 --> 51:26.020]  Generally, they don't accept most of them.
[51:26.020 --> 51:36.900]  But this gives the incoming president opportunity to provide appointments for to pay back political
[51:36.900 --> 51:39.780]  debts.
[51:39.780 --> 51:45.540]  The problem the U.S. attorney has is they see the freight train coming at them.
[51:45.540 --> 51:53.620]  They've had a eight-year or so far a six-year free ride, but now the freight train's coming
[51:53.620 --> 51:54.620]  at them.
[51:54.620 --> 51:59.140]  They're going to get a new president and he's going to have debts to pay.
[51:59.140 --> 52:05.260]  Is he going to have a debt to pay from our office?
[52:05.260 --> 52:10.380]  What can I do to keep him from accepting my resignation?
[52:10.380 --> 52:22.260]  Well, I can help out these people being mistreated by this no-good rotten state judge who's
[52:22.260 --> 52:28.860]  committing depraved heart assault against these for helpless children.
[52:28.860 --> 52:34.540]  That's something that's a good chance now in this political climate they may pick up.
[52:34.540 --> 52:41.140]  And if he doesn't pick it up, then you file against with the district judge against the
[52:41.140 --> 52:42.140]  U.S. attorney.
[52:42.140 --> 52:49.620]  And as you start creating the politics, what do you think this U.S. attorney's going to
[52:49.620 --> 52:57.260]  think when he's got a district judge crawling down his throat because he protected a local
[52:57.260 --> 53:00.340]  state judge?
[53:00.340 --> 53:04.820]  He is not going to be a happy camper.
[53:04.820 --> 53:09.740]  And who do you think he's, do you think the U.S. attorney's going to be willing to lay
[53:09.740 --> 53:17.660]  down in front of the bus for a state family court judge?
[53:17.660 --> 53:22.620]  These guys are sharks and the big fish eat the little fish.
[53:22.620 --> 53:23.620]  Everything's fine.
[53:23.620 --> 53:24.620]  I heard you say that today.
[53:24.620 --> 53:27.140]  I loved it when I was listening to that.
[53:27.140 --> 53:36.140]  Randy, this is not only with the hospitals new, the private doctor new?
[53:36.140 --> 53:40.180]  Send me an email.
[53:40.180 --> 53:45.220]  I have a case you need to see.
[53:45.220 --> 53:57.380]  This case is a family law case where the individual sued the state of Texas, the child protective
[53:57.380 --> 54:06.980]  services for the state of Texas, the judge and both lawyers filed a RICO action against
[54:06.980 --> 54:17.060]  them, accusing them of an ongoing criminal conspiracy whereby they made unfounded claims
[54:17.060 --> 54:27.100]  against people in divorce cases where a claim of mental instability was made against the
[54:27.100 --> 54:36.700]  husband and the husband was forced to go through these evaluations by state officials and the
[54:36.700 --> 54:44.620]  claim was that all of this was intentional simply for the purpose of collecting money
[54:44.620 --> 54:53.340]  for these investigators and psychiatrists and psychologists and all of these professionals
[54:53.340 --> 55:02.260]  and involved ran this as a scam to make money at the expense of people in their most vulnerable
[55:02.260 --> 55:03.260]  time.
[55:03.260 --> 55:08.700]  This is absolutely the worst kind of betrayal.
[55:08.700 --> 55:15.420]  You should cut none of them any slack, not even your own lawyer because he is part of
[55:15.420 --> 55:18.460]  the process.
[55:18.460 --> 55:24.700]  He was holding on to the pictures because all the months that I took the children in,
[55:24.700 --> 55:26.940]  they wanted to go see the doctor.
[55:26.940 --> 55:33.900]  I had to make a paper trail but when I realized that I had red flags on my name because I
[55:33.900 --> 55:39.860]  was told by the hospital officials that whenever the McLaughlin family comes in, you need to
[55:39.860 --> 55:41.980]  call CPS.
[55:41.980 --> 55:49.860]  The whole situation went from where they found all the findings, it went to sender home, tell
[55:49.860 --> 55:54.900]  her it's poor hygiene, tell her it's from masturbating, tell her anything, just get her
[55:54.900 --> 55:55.900]  out.
[55:55.900 --> 56:00.100]  I was told by my job that failure to protect, I could go to jail.
[56:00.100 --> 56:02.260]  So what did I do?
[56:02.260 --> 56:06.740]  Every time the hospital told me it was this, this and that, I took pictures.
[56:06.740 --> 56:10.540]  It got to a point where I couldn't afford to go to the hospitals anymore.
[56:10.540 --> 56:15.580]  You said the lawyer has the pictures?
[56:15.580 --> 56:20.620]  The lawyer had the pictures because I took the pictures away from the lawyer and gave
[56:20.620 --> 56:27.060]  them to the Brown County Sheriff's Department, the attorney turned around and called me up
[56:27.060 --> 56:33.060]  the day that they took them away and told me, I told you not to show anyone those pictures,
[56:33.060 --> 56:36.980]  I hope you're satisfied now, they took them away from you.
[56:36.980 --> 56:41.060]  And even the ex-husband's attorney saw the pictures.
[56:41.060 --> 56:48.180]  And the woman who developed all the pictures told me that when they took the children away,
[56:48.180 --> 56:52.900]  the Brown County Sheriff's Department came in and got a whole bunch of copies of all
[56:52.900 --> 56:56.980]  the pictures that you gave them that I developed for you.
[56:56.980 --> 57:02.020]  And asked me, how in the world is this happening with these children?
[57:02.020 --> 57:06.180]  Because those pictures show blatant abuse.
[57:06.180 --> 57:08.180]  Okay.
[57:08.180 --> 57:14.940]  Charge them all with depraved heart assault.
[57:14.940 --> 57:19.740]  These guys are going to get real excited when they have criminal accusations, especially
[57:19.740 --> 57:25.060]  a federal claim coming back at them.
[57:25.060 --> 57:30.300]  See the feds in the state, they're not too friendly with one another.
[57:30.300 --> 57:36.420]  The rule is take the state to the fed and the fed to the state.
[57:36.420 --> 57:43.380]  If federal operators come into the state and they violate laws, they do it in the state
[57:43.380 --> 57:46.340]  and their subject state law.
[57:46.340 --> 57:51.380]  So the way to get at the federal actors is to file against them in the state because
[57:51.380 --> 57:54.540]  state doesn't have any sympathy for them.
[57:54.540 --> 58:01.860]  Same way the other way around, when you sift the feds on these guys, especially now, in
[58:01.860 --> 58:07.980]  this very highly charged political climate, when all of this police abuse around and you
[58:07.980 --> 58:14.980]  accuse the police of depraved heart assault against these children, this is not going
[58:14.980 --> 58:18.980]  to make these officers happy.
[58:18.980 --> 58:24.580]  And they're going to be going to the higher ups and telling you guys, get this off my
[58:24.580 --> 58:31.820]  back, get the feds off my case or I'm going to throw you under the bus.
[58:31.820 --> 58:33.140]  These guys are scoundrels.
[58:33.140 --> 58:36.260]  They'll turn on each other in a heartbeat.
[58:36.260 --> 58:41.300]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rudeville Radio, hang on, Jennifer, we'll be right
[58:41.300 --> 58:42.300]  back.
[58:42.300 --> 58:43.300]  Our call in number 512-646-1984.
[58:43.300 --> 58:44.300]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:51.720 --> 01:00:56.940]  In the news, Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck says three officers violated deadly force
[01:00:56.940 --> 01:01:01.140]  rules when they shot an unarmed man on live television last year.
[01:01:01.140 --> 01:01:05.540]  The Los Angeles Times reports that Beck rejected the officer's claims that they feared for
[01:01:05.540 --> 01:01:07.980]  their lives after a high-speed chase.
[01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:11.100]  Beck says the evidence did not show a deadly threat.
[01:01:11.100 --> 01:01:14.980]  The Chief will now have to decide what punishment if any to give the officers who have been
[01:01:14.980 --> 01:01:17.820]  relieved of duty since the December 2013 shooting.
[01:01:17.820 --> 01:01:22.900]  The city council in August voted to pay $5 million to the family of victim Brian Beard
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[01:01:27.660 --> 01:01:32.100]  A long-delayed Senate report on the Central Intelligence Agency's use of enhanced interrogation
[01:01:32.100 --> 01:01:36.220]  techniques or torture will reportedly be released on Monday.
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[01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:41.260]  as early as Monday.
[01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:46.540]  The report has been the focus of much backlash as the CIA and the Obama administration have
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[01:01:49.820 --> 01:01:53.940]  Other sources say the final version of the report will refrain from using the word torture
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[01:03:25.540 --> 01:03:33.180]  Okay, we are back when the Calton and Skidmore move our radio and we're talking to Jennifer
[01:03:33.180 --> 01:03:35.180]  in Wisconsin.
[01:03:35.180 --> 01:03:43.740]  So, Jennifer, you've got to have a plan.
[01:03:43.740 --> 01:03:49.460]  Hold on, I'm talking to my phone.
[01:03:49.460 --> 01:03:57.900]  Okay, while you're fixing that, there was one other thing that I did want to address
[01:03:57.900 --> 01:04:04.340]  in terms of reminding you of what the purpose of the trial court is.
[01:04:04.340 --> 01:04:10.740]  Then I realized that in a family court issue, it can be extremely difficult when you get
[01:04:10.740 --> 01:04:17.300]  bad moving in the trial court because they have immediate consequences, especially when
[01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:25.860]  it goes to the jurist, the custody, or safety of the children.
[01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:35.820]  But in the end, the only purpose of the trial court is to set the record for appeal.
[01:04:35.820 --> 01:04:43.660]  The wins are made in the appellate court, so keep that in mind because in the trial
[01:04:43.660 --> 01:04:51.300]  court, you tend to get, you tend to feel like if you lose a ruling in the trial court that
[01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:55.980]  you have lost, not true.
[01:04:55.980 --> 01:05:01.940]  All you've done is set the record for your appeal in the appellate court.
[01:05:01.940 --> 01:05:07.620]  The appellate court has a whole different agenda than the trial court does.
[01:05:07.620 --> 01:05:13.140]  The appellate court gives bad rulings, then the scoundrel lawyers will take those bad
[01:05:13.140 --> 01:05:17.580]  rulings and disrupt the court's jurist with them.
[01:05:17.580 --> 01:05:25.140]  So the appellate court has to protect the body of law and can't render bad rulings
[01:05:25.140 --> 01:05:27.740]  that would destabilize the whole legal system.
[01:05:27.740 --> 01:05:36.100]  So you have a much better likelihood of a positive outcome in the court of appeals than
[01:05:36.100 --> 01:05:40.140]  in the state court, I mean in the trial court.
[01:05:40.140 --> 01:05:43.860]  Okay, does that make sense?
[01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:47.060]  Sort of.
[01:05:47.060 --> 01:05:56.100]  I not only have the abuse of children, but they abuse me also.
[01:05:56.100 --> 01:06:03.220]  Several things have happened to me that might...
[01:06:03.220 --> 01:06:07.420]  You have an equal right to do process.
[01:06:07.420 --> 01:06:09.780]  I know that.
[01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:16.380]  When you do the RICO suit or when you do the suit in the federal court, you don't just
[01:06:16.380 --> 01:06:22.180]  name the harm to the children because actually the harm to the children cause great harm
[01:06:22.180 --> 01:06:23.340]  to you.
[01:06:23.340 --> 01:06:25.900]  That's a good...
[01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:28.940]  What causes more mental distress?
[01:06:28.940 --> 01:06:32.180]  Harm to you directly or harm to your children?
[01:06:32.180 --> 01:06:39.060]  I mean, beat me any day, but keep your hands off my kids.
[01:06:39.060 --> 01:06:48.620]  So you can, while this case is going on, you can go ahead and file a federal case against
[01:06:48.620 --> 01:06:55.940]  the actors and this will really put them in the spotlight.
[01:06:55.940 --> 01:06:56.940]  Yeah.
[01:06:56.940 --> 01:07:04.780]  This is the situation, there's supposed to be an evidentiary hearing on December 11th.
[01:07:04.780 --> 01:07:17.060]  I know that I have a meeting with Carol and a special call on Sunday with Don Marthus
[01:07:17.060 --> 01:07:29.940]  that we're looking at the use of fraud and Title 31, subsection 31-13 in full disclosure.
[01:07:29.940 --> 01:07:32.260]  I mean, full discharge.
[01:07:32.260 --> 01:07:39.380]  I was looking to do that because the child support discharged.
[01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:48.060]  I have a hard time thinking of even trying to do that since they did this illegal kidnapping
[01:07:48.060 --> 01:07:51.340]  and this abuse on me.
[01:07:51.340 --> 01:07:54.620]  If anything, all the monies that I should pay...
[01:07:54.620 --> 01:07:55.620]  Okay.
[01:07:55.620 --> 01:08:00.660]  This is going to sound insensitive and I don't mean for it to.
[01:08:00.660 --> 01:08:12.700]  But be very careful when the court acts improper and harms you.
[01:08:12.700 --> 01:08:21.780]  You feel betrayed, you feel angry, you feel mistreated and you tend to want to fight back
[01:08:21.780 --> 01:08:24.340]  and that's normal.
[01:08:24.340 --> 01:08:31.260]  The problem is is when we get into one of these fights, if we're not careful, we lose
[01:08:31.260 --> 01:08:36.700]  sight of the prize and it becomes about the fight.
[01:08:36.700 --> 01:08:46.980]  So my question to you is what is your intended ultimate outcome?
[01:08:46.980 --> 01:08:53.020]  At the end of the day, what would be a positive outcome for you?
[01:08:53.020 --> 01:08:58.940]  I suggest you sit down and think about that and then write it down and then use that as
[01:08:58.940 --> 01:09:01.860]  a talisman.
[01:09:01.860 --> 01:09:08.780]  Every time you think about taking an action, every time you think about what they've done
[01:09:08.780 --> 01:09:15.100]  to you, you look at that ultimate outcome and ask yourself, will what they have just
[01:09:15.100 --> 01:09:25.660]  done to me as onerous as it was, will it lead me toward or lead me away from my ultimate
[01:09:25.660 --> 01:09:28.940]  outcome?
[01:09:28.940 --> 01:09:37.820]  Will what I'm about to do lead me toward or lead me away from my ultimate outcome?
[01:09:37.820 --> 01:09:45.620]  I'm going to suggest to you, if you can't say this will lead me toward my ultimate outcome,
[01:09:45.620 --> 01:09:54.100]  no matter how much you want to, don't do it.
[01:09:54.100 --> 01:10:01.860]  I had a friend in Pennsylvania who was helping people with IRS issues and she was sent to
[01:10:01.860 --> 01:10:08.500]  a friend of hers neighbor who had some tax liens and she went and sat down and they showed
[01:10:08.500 --> 01:10:11.980]  her the liens and she asked them, do you want to get rid of these liens?
[01:10:11.980 --> 01:10:15.060]  And they said, absolutely, we've been fighting these for years.
[01:10:15.060 --> 01:10:19.300]  She ripped them up through them in the trash, she said, okay, they're gone.
[01:10:19.300 --> 01:10:29.900]  The liens had expired a year earlier and when she told them, they were so irate, they made
[01:10:29.900 --> 01:10:41.260]  up a scathing letter and sent it to the IRS where the IRS drew, they reinstated the liens.
[01:10:41.260 --> 01:10:50.060]  They lost sight of the prize, they had won the whole enchilada but they lost sight of
[01:10:50.060 --> 01:10:56.140]  that and it became about the fight and they did what they wanted to do, they did what
[01:10:56.140 --> 01:11:03.860]  they felt like doing and it started to fight all over again and in family law there's nothing
[01:11:03.860 --> 01:11:17.700]  that generates more content than family law, be very careful, do not let yourself be led
[01:11:17.700 --> 01:11:21.420]  by your heart in this instance.
[01:11:21.420 --> 01:11:23.420]  Does that make sense?
[01:11:23.420 --> 01:11:26.420]  Yeah.
[01:11:26.420 --> 01:11:34.980]  It is going to be harder than you think and I say that from experience when they've come
[01:11:34.980 --> 01:11:44.100]  after me, there were things, I had a baby that dragged me down the stairs, shoved me
[01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:49.500]  out the door and knocked me down and broke my elbow, she made me, if you've never broken
[01:11:49.500 --> 01:11:55.340]  an elbow, holy mackerel, that is one of the most painful things I've ever experienced
[01:11:55.340 --> 01:12:03.500]  and he did that to keep me from giving criminal complaints to a grand jury.
[01:12:03.500 --> 01:12:07.940]  I did not go after the babies.
[01:12:07.940 --> 01:12:18.540]  There was no way I could frame that to where it would lead me toward my intended outcome
[01:12:18.540 --> 01:12:27.180]  and when I didn't go after the bailiffs, that got me more appreciation than anything I had
[01:12:27.180 --> 01:12:28.780]  ever done.
[01:12:28.780 --> 01:12:35.900]  I had the district attorney ask me, why didn't you pursue the bailiff for breaking your
[01:12:35.900 --> 01:12:37.100]  elbow?
[01:12:37.100 --> 01:12:41.620]  I said, well, I know he didn't mean to.
[01:12:41.620 --> 01:12:44.140]  Well, he shouldn't have pushed you out the door.
[01:12:44.140 --> 01:12:52.460]  Yeah, that's right, he shouldn't have pushed me out the door, but after a 20 year career,
[01:12:52.460 --> 01:12:59.340]  you make one minor little error, he barely pushed me but my foot hit a carpet that was
[01:12:59.340 --> 01:13:04.100]  laying there to wipe your feet on and it caused my foot to slide out from under me.
[01:13:04.100 --> 01:13:11.660]  So it wasn't like he threw me out the door, he just gave me a little nudge, should I end
[01:13:11.660 --> 01:13:17.980]  his career over that and would it lead me toward my intended outcome and I told the
[01:13:17.980 --> 01:13:25.340]  district attorney no way would lead me toward my outcome so I can't do it and after that,
[01:13:25.340 --> 01:13:34.140]  at that courthouse, everybody took me serious and I suggest to you that if they figure out
[01:13:34.140 --> 01:13:42.940]  that you're becoming highly directed, that you're no longer easily led by your emotions,
[01:13:42.940 --> 01:13:48.740]  now you're going to become dangerous to them and you start shooting back at them and they
[01:13:48.740 --> 01:13:57.060]  do stupid stuff that doesn't matter and you just ignore it and it's been my experience
[01:13:57.060 --> 01:14:04.900]  that the more minor things I can attack, the better, the more powerful it is.
[01:14:04.900 --> 01:14:09.740]  And in your case, if you go after that judge for depraved heart assault, these guys are
[01:14:09.740 --> 01:14:17.940]  going to get really, really excited and you're going to get a lot of politics on your side.
[01:14:17.940 --> 01:14:20.140]  Does that make sense?
[01:14:20.140 --> 01:14:27.140]  Yes, it does.
[01:14:27.140 --> 01:14:32.580]  On Monday, I planned on going to the federal building, first of all, going to the Secretary
[01:14:32.580 --> 01:14:40.740]  of State and finding out if they're supposedly, I was told that they're supposed to be sitting
[01:14:40.740 --> 01:14:47.580]  on their own some bonds in the courthouse and I followed in the affidavits, I followed
[01:14:47.580 --> 01:15:00.740]  a couple of affidavits, special appeal affidavits of facts and one of them is, because I told
[01:15:00.740 --> 01:15:07.060]  you David Roach was helping me, he filed this, get this ready, I'm going to read the
[01:15:07.060 --> 01:15:14.060]  clerk of court and ask them for the county recorder, request their bonds and all to get
[01:15:14.060 --> 01:15:21.140]  a certified copy of them and they all looked at me and said no, they don't have them here
[01:15:21.140 --> 01:15:26.820]  and they said, well, we can call, we can call to Madison for the Secretary of State.
[01:15:26.820 --> 01:15:34.500]  Okay, one thing I'm going to suggest is they are all public servants.
[01:15:34.500 --> 01:15:36.380]  You are the master.
[01:15:36.380 --> 01:15:44.820]  You never ask a public official to do anything you actually want him to do because you never
[01:15:44.820 --> 01:15:49.700]  ask a public official to do anything they are not specifically required to do.
[01:15:49.700 --> 01:15:56.140]  So when you go in and make requests to these people and they want to do something else
[01:15:56.140 --> 01:16:02.100]  other than your request, do not negotiate with them, don't ask them questions, you don't
[01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:07.660]  want any legal advice from them, you want them to think that you're setting them up
[01:16:07.660 --> 01:16:19.660]  and that's exactly what you're doing and once you've stung them once or twice for that,
[01:16:19.660 --> 01:16:25.460]  go into the court and get what you need gets really, really easy.
[01:16:25.460 --> 01:16:31.060]  Once I sting them, when I go back, yes, sir, Mr. Kelton, what can I do for you, Mr. Kelton,
[01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:35.420]  because you're always afraid I'm setting them up, I've never argued with them, I am
[01:16:35.420 --> 01:16:41.620]  the master, they are the servants, they will do what I direct them to do or I will go up
[01:16:41.620 --> 01:16:46.980]  to the next level and direct the next level to come after them.
[01:16:46.980 --> 01:16:53.100]  You do have to move on with a better number of callers, hang on, we'll finish up on the
[01:16:53.100 --> 01:16:58.020]  other side, this is Randy Kelton, this is Kidmore, we have our radio, David Carlos,
[01:16:58.020 --> 01:17:01.100]  I'll see you there.
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[01:19:24.940 --> 01:19:34.460]  We are back, Randy Kelton and Steve Skidmore live on radio and we're talking to Jennifer
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[01:19:35.460 --> 01:19:42.140]  Jennifer, you're pretty well handled with your questions.
[01:19:42.140 --> 01:19:43.140]  Sure.
[01:19:43.140 --> 01:19:44.140]  Okay.
[01:19:44.140 --> 01:19:49.740]  Keep us up to date on what happens.
[01:19:49.740 --> 01:19:50.740]  Thank you for calling in.
[01:19:50.740 --> 01:19:52.380]  We're going to move on.
[01:19:52.380 --> 01:19:55.860]  We've got a couple more callers and we're quickly running out of time.
[01:19:55.860 --> 01:19:59.860]  We're going to go to David in South Dakota.
[01:19:59.860 --> 01:20:00.860]  Hello, David.
[01:20:00.860 --> 01:20:01.860]  Hello, Randy.
[01:20:01.860 --> 01:20:02.860]  How are you?
[01:20:02.860 --> 01:20:03.860]  I am good.
[01:20:03.860 --> 01:20:04.860]  What do you have for us today?
[01:20:04.860 --> 01:20:05.860]  Kind of a strange situation.
[01:20:05.860 --> 01:20:06.860]  I wanted to just get your input.
[01:20:06.860 --> 01:20:18.860]  I told you a couple of weeks ago that I had a foreclosure back in January of … January
[01:20:18.860 --> 01:20:26.260]  of 2013 and they went ahead and went through with it.
[01:20:26.260 --> 01:20:32.780]  They bumped up to the balance $80,000 and then the bank bought it back.
[01:20:32.780 --> 01:20:47.100]  That was … Deutsche Bank … Well, my servicer was Oakland and I get today an overnight
[01:20:47.100 --> 01:20:50.380]  letter from Oakland.
[01:20:50.380 --> 01:20:57.420]  It has no cover letter, but inside of this overnight letter, I find my notification of
[01:20:57.420 --> 01:20:58.420]  pay off.
[01:20:58.420 --> 01:21:03.740]  I guess that's the letter and it says, to whom it may concern, borrower, and it's got
[01:21:03.740 --> 01:21:15.980]  my name, loan number, property address, note date, note amount, and on the first copy of
[01:21:15.980 --> 01:21:26.260]  the original extension of credit is defined by Section 50A6, Article Texas Constitution.
[01:21:26.260 --> 01:21:33.660]  Texas Home Equity, adjustable rate note, and on the very front page, it's marked paid.
[01:21:33.660 --> 01:21:44.060]  Yeah, it is paid off because the purchaser of the property extinguished the note.
[01:21:44.060 --> 01:21:52.660]  Or they took the funds from the sale and extinguished the note in it.
[01:21:52.660 --> 01:21:59.660]  Is subrogation allowed in South Dakota?
[01:21:59.660 --> 01:22:00.660]  Subrogation.
[01:22:00.660 --> 01:22:01.660]  Subrogation.
[01:22:01.660 --> 01:22:09.660]  If they foreclose on the property and the property does not bring enough to pay off
[01:22:09.660 --> 01:22:17.380]  the debt, under subrogation, they can come back at you for the remainder.
[01:22:17.380 --> 01:22:22.460]  Well, this is a Texas property and a Texas note.
[01:22:22.460 --> 01:22:24.900]  Texas does not allow subrogation.
[01:22:24.900 --> 01:22:28.100]  That's why they told you that it's paid off.
[01:22:28.100 --> 01:22:30.940]  Now here's the problem.
[01:22:30.940 --> 01:22:34.220]  That letter is insufficient.
[01:22:34.220 --> 01:22:38.940]  The deal is not complete until they return the note to you.
[01:22:38.940 --> 01:22:39.940]  It's in the contract.
[01:22:39.940 --> 01:22:43.940]  Well, this is just a copy of the note.
[01:22:43.940 --> 01:22:45.420]  This is not the note.
[01:22:45.420 --> 01:22:54.260]  Okay, so you can go back and have they evicted you from the property?
[01:22:54.260 --> 01:22:56.260]  Yes.
[01:22:56.260 --> 01:23:08.260]  Then through the purchaser, oh, through the lawyers, under Santiago Macchi, I think, see
[01:23:08.260 --> 01:23:14.100]  Carlos on the line, and he was going to ask me about a case I had mentioned, and I believe
[01:23:14.100 --> 01:23:18.380]  that case is going to be Santiago Macchi.
[01:23:18.380 --> 01:23:28.140]  If the lawyers used fraudulent documentation to pursue the foreclosure, then they're personally
[01:23:28.140 --> 01:23:32.580]  suitable.
[01:23:32.580 --> 01:23:34.580]  So through the lawyers themselves.
[01:23:34.580 --> 01:23:38.260]  I sued one group of lawyers.
[01:23:38.260 --> 01:23:42.780]  There were so many lawyers, I kind of lost count of them every time a new one would come
[01:23:42.780 --> 01:23:43.780]  up.
[01:23:43.780 --> 01:23:52.740]  But I did sue the last group I used to in federal court.
[01:23:52.740 --> 01:23:57.940]  What was your claim against them?
[01:23:57.940 --> 01:24:01.140]  I'm doing this for memory, and I'm an old man.
[01:24:01.140 --> 01:24:08.620]  My memory is not that good.
[01:24:08.620 --> 01:24:11.140]  I can't remember right now.
[01:24:11.140 --> 01:24:12.420]  Okay.
[01:24:12.420 --> 01:24:14.900]  What was the outcome of the case?
[01:24:14.900 --> 01:24:19.980]  Did you win anything or was it dismissed?
[01:24:19.980 --> 01:24:26.540]  It was dismissed, but they took them about almost two years before the federal judge
[01:24:26.540 --> 01:24:28.540]  dismissed it.
[01:24:28.540 --> 01:24:30.980]  Oh, that's good.
[01:24:30.980 --> 01:24:38.260]  There's probably other things you can take them on for, but in the time we have left,
[01:24:38.260 --> 01:24:45.300]  it would be too complex for us to try to get to all of that.
[01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:48.700]  They never get it right.
[01:24:48.700 --> 01:24:59.420]  And with the Santiago Macchi ruling here recently, if the foreclosing agents have acted based
[01:24:59.420 --> 01:25:10.340]  on faulty documentation, you can sue the lawyers personally in the state for the committing
[01:25:10.340 --> 01:25:12.580]  fraud.
[01:25:12.580 --> 01:25:15.060]  And the state has just ruled.
[01:25:15.060 --> 01:25:18.780]  Let me explain Santiago Macchi.
[01:25:18.780 --> 01:25:31.980]  Because in foreclosure makes a request of the foreclosing agent for access to the original
[01:25:31.980 --> 01:25:35.460]  security instrument.
[01:25:35.460 --> 01:25:40.460]  So Macchi was the foreclosure meal, and he told him, well, come on down.
[01:25:40.460 --> 01:25:42.060]  I got it right here in the office.
[01:25:42.060 --> 01:25:44.260]  Well, I'll show it to you.
[01:25:44.260 --> 01:25:52.940]  So the guy goes down to the office and Macchi shows him a photocopy of the original.
[01:25:52.940 --> 01:26:05.100]  Well, UCC 3-501 requires the holder to produce the original for inspection.
[01:26:05.100 --> 01:26:09.260]  You don't have to give it to you, but he has to show it.
[01:26:09.260 --> 01:26:14.780]  It proves what you want out of it.
[01:26:14.780 --> 01:26:20.420]  So he goes in there and the guy shows him a copy.
[01:26:20.420 --> 01:26:27.380]  The guy was sharp, turned around and walked out, sued Macchi for presenting a fraudulent
[01:26:27.380 --> 01:26:32.500]  document.
[01:26:32.500 --> 01:26:48.860]  Game one, Macchi argued in court that since he was acting for his client, that he was
[01:26:48.860 --> 01:26:51.260]  immune from suit.
[01:26:51.260 --> 01:27:03.340]  The court held that filing fraudulent documents was not a duty of a lawyer, that in that case
[01:27:03.340 --> 01:27:10.180]  he was not acting as an agent for his client, but he was acting on his own and could be
[01:27:10.180 --> 01:27:11.180]  sued.
[01:27:11.180 --> 01:27:15.940]  Yeah, I finally found the case.
[01:27:15.940 --> 01:27:18.140]  I knew I had it here somewhere.
[01:27:18.140 --> 01:27:21.460]  Well, what's the date of that case?
[01:27:21.460 --> 01:27:32.300]  Okay, here it is, the case is, she just got a date on it, so August 9th, this is the appellate
[01:27:32.300 --> 01:27:43.580]  court decision which was not appealed, August 19th, 2014, it is Lewis A. Santiago and Linda
[01:27:43.580 --> 01:27:55.540]  A. Santiago v. Macchi Wolf-Zinz and Mann, PC appellate, I don't have the actual court
[01:27:55.540 --> 01:28:02.620]  citation, this is a slip opinion, so I don't have the actual citation, but you just do
[01:28:02.620 --> 01:28:08.260]  an internet search for Santiago v. Macchi, you get a hit right on it.
[01:28:08.260 --> 01:28:13.860]  I'll find it, okay now, this is the same case I was talking to you about a week before last
[01:28:13.860 --> 01:28:20.780]  where I filed a list of pendants that they never answered the original countersuit, and
[01:28:20.780 --> 01:28:26.540]  I filed that a couple of days before the sale, and then that's what I served on them.
[01:28:26.540 --> 01:28:29.620]  Wait a minute, original countersuit.
[01:28:29.620 --> 01:28:40.780]  See, when they filed foreclosure, everything was up to snuff, I was current and had been
[01:28:40.780 --> 01:28:52.740]  paying every month on the dime, eight years, and they bumped the balance 3% above the Constitution
[01:28:52.740 --> 01:29:00.300]  said it never can be more than 3% above the face amounts, never, for any reason, and they
[01:29:00.300 --> 01:29:01.660]  continually did that.
[01:29:01.660 --> 01:29:07.380]  They did it for about three years before I ever called them on it, then I called them,
[01:29:07.380 --> 01:29:13.540]  and then when they wouldn't fix it, I stopped making the payment, so they filed for foreclosure,
[01:29:13.540 --> 01:29:22.980]  so I countersuit them for that breaking the Constitution on the... So that was the federal
[01:29:22.980 --> 01:29:23.980]  suit?
[01:29:23.980 --> 01:29:27.220]  No, no, no, this was all in the district court.
[01:29:27.220 --> 01:29:30.060]  Has that suit been adjudicated?
[01:29:30.060 --> 01:29:33.780]  Never, and that's the one that I...
[01:29:33.780 --> 01:29:42.260]  Has it been removed from the docket for lack of prosecution?
[01:29:42.260 --> 01:29:49.220]  Okay, hang on, there's a problem here because this is a home equity suit, we'll pick this
[01:29:49.220 --> 01:30:01.780]  up on the other side, Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rural Radio, we'll be right back.
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[01:33:48.580 --> 01:33:51.740]  Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Logos Radio.
[01:33:51.740 --> 01:33:56.460]  And going out, David, we have an issue.
[01:33:56.460 --> 01:34:05.980]  If you had a home equity loan, that does not contain it for a confess to judgment.
[01:34:05.980 --> 01:34:13.700]  So they must go to court and get a judicial order for them to foreclose.
[01:34:13.700 --> 01:34:19.580]  So you're saying that the case is still in adjudication.
[01:34:19.580 --> 01:34:26.780]  Because if the judge ruled authorizing the lender to foreclose.
[01:34:26.780 --> 01:34:31.420]  Yes, but he didn't address the countersuit.
[01:34:31.420 --> 01:34:32.420]  Okay.
[01:34:32.420 --> 01:34:36.700]  Go back and move for summary judgment on the countersuit.
[01:34:36.700 --> 01:34:37.700]  Okay.
[01:34:37.700 --> 01:34:43.580]  If that wasn't addressed, then it's open.
[01:34:43.580 --> 01:34:50.740]  And whatever you claim to the countersuit, you should get under summary judgment.
[01:34:50.740 --> 01:34:54.220]  And I should ask for triple damages.
[01:34:54.220 --> 01:34:55.220]  Good.
[01:34:55.220 --> 01:34:56.220]  Okay.
[01:34:56.220 --> 01:34:57.220]  Hold on.
[01:34:57.220 --> 01:35:03.900]  They don't have to answer a countersuit.
[01:35:03.900 --> 01:35:08.220]  You have to answer the original suit.
[01:35:08.220 --> 01:35:13.460]  But if there's a countersuit, they don't have to answer it.
[01:35:13.460 --> 01:35:18.620]  But you can still move for summary judgment anyway.
[01:35:18.620 --> 01:35:25.180]  Since that wasn't addressed, the court didn't adjudicate it, asked the court to adjudicate.
[01:35:25.180 --> 01:35:33.500]  If you ask for summary judgment, the other side can come back and argue against it.
[01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:37.180]  But that certainly should be reactivated.
[01:35:37.180 --> 01:35:39.180]  Right.
[01:35:39.180 --> 01:35:43.780]  Did you exceed your time to appeal?
[01:35:43.780 --> 01:35:45.780]  Oh, wait.
[01:35:45.780 --> 01:35:46.780]  No need.
[01:35:46.780 --> 01:35:52.420]  If they haven't, did the court close the case?
[01:35:52.420 --> 01:35:54.980]  That's what I don't know.
[01:35:54.980 --> 01:35:59.940]  I need to get a copy of the case to see if it's being closed.
[01:35:59.940 --> 01:36:11.180]  But I filed the attendance on the not being adjudicated.
[01:36:11.180 --> 01:36:15.380]  How long ago did they get an order?
[01:36:15.380 --> 01:36:21.620]  Well, they got the order like 30 days before the foreclosure.
[01:36:21.620 --> 01:36:26.940]  No, that's not telling me how long ago in real time.
[01:36:26.940 --> 01:36:30.220]  Oh, how long ago did they get the order?
[01:36:30.220 --> 01:36:31.220]  Yeah.
[01:36:31.220 --> 01:36:32.220]  Less than two years.
[01:36:32.220 --> 01:36:33.220]  It'll be two years.
[01:36:33.220 --> 01:36:34.220]  It's still too long.
[01:36:34.220 --> 01:36:39.220]  I was looking for six months.
[01:36:39.220 --> 01:36:47.340]  Generally, if the case is open after six months, they will dismiss it for lack of prosecution.
[01:36:47.340 --> 01:36:51.020]  You need to go to see if the case is still on the docket.
[01:36:51.020 --> 01:36:52.020]  Okay.
[01:36:52.020 --> 01:37:02.940]  And if they have, then it's too, it's past the, it'll be too old to try to revive it.
[01:37:02.940 --> 01:37:03.940]  So look at that.
[01:37:03.940 --> 01:37:05.180]  Call us in next week.
[01:37:05.180 --> 01:37:08.540]  I'd rather talk about this when Steve is here.
[01:37:08.540 --> 01:37:11.900]  He has more specific knowledge in that area than I do.
[01:37:11.900 --> 01:37:16.340]  I'd have to have a new lawsuit if that's what you're saying.
[01:37:16.340 --> 01:37:18.780]  Yeah, most likely.
[01:37:18.780 --> 01:37:22.300]  And I got a bunch of stuff you can file a new lawsuit on.
[01:37:22.300 --> 01:37:23.300]  Okay.
[01:37:23.300 --> 01:37:24.300]  That's good.
[01:37:24.300 --> 01:37:26.300]  That's what I wanted to hear you say.
[01:37:26.300 --> 01:37:31.380]  The other thing is, how about this Texas Deceptive Trade Practice, does that, can that, can that
[01:37:31.380 --> 01:37:33.980]  come in there?
[01:37:33.980 --> 01:37:40.980]  If you have violations of it, absolutely.
[01:37:40.980 --> 01:37:45.860]  And one of the things, okay, lawyers are not going to like to hear this, but you're
[01:37:45.860 --> 01:37:46.860]  poor sad.
[01:37:46.860 --> 01:37:51.500]  You can do things that lawyers can't, you can make claims that a lawyer would never
[01:37:51.500 --> 01:38:00.940]  make under Deceptive Trade Practices, even if you don't have all the facts, you can make
[01:38:00.940 --> 01:38:05.940]  a claim on less evidence than a lawyer can.
[01:38:05.940 --> 01:38:12.020]  So do you have Deceptive Trade Practices claims against them?
[01:38:12.020 --> 01:38:21.500]  The original mortgage bank, AmeriQuest, they were, they had a boiler room where they were,
[01:38:21.500 --> 01:38:28.780]  I went one day, normally I sent my payments to California, but one time I was, got laxed
[01:38:28.780 --> 01:38:33.980]  and I said, I missed, I hadn't missed the payment, but it wasn't timely if I didn't
[01:38:33.980 --> 01:38:35.300]  make it within two days.
[01:38:35.300 --> 01:38:41.820]  So I said, there's got to be a place in Austin, Texas where I can take a payment for AmeriQuest.
[01:38:41.820 --> 01:38:45.220]  They gave me an address out in the theater park and I went there.
[01:38:45.220 --> 01:38:49.100]  It was the top floor of a bank building.
[01:38:49.100 --> 01:38:55.300]  I get up there and I mean there were 75 people on the phone, it was a boiler room.
[01:38:55.300 --> 01:38:59.100]  They were talking to everybody they'd ever made a loan to, trying to get them to give
[01:38:59.100 --> 01:39:00.100]  them a new loan.
[01:39:00.100 --> 01:39:06.620]  And I told that judge, the second or third hearing before the end, I said, that wasn't
[01:39:06.620 --> 01:39:07.620]  a mortgage company.
[01:39:07.620 --> 01:39:09.540]  All they were doing was rolling those loans.
[01:39:09.540 --> 01:39:13.140]  So that was, they were selling paper, you know?
[01:39:13.140 --> 01:39:18.860]  Yeah, but that's not an issue you can raise.
[01:39:18.860 --> 01:39:21.940]  You don't have standing.
[01:39:21.940 --> 01:39:26.860]  You can only raise it in your own case, but even then, if they're just selling paper doesn't
[01:39:26.860 --> 01:39:31.900]  make any difference, unless there's a, you have to find a claim.
[01:39:31.900 --> 01:39:37.100]  Well, I had a claim then, I mean, they were trying to foreclose on me.
[01:39:37.100 --> 01:39:41.420]  Yeah, but that, that doesn't have anything to do with the board image.
[01:39:41.420 --> 01:39:49.380]  Well, they called me every, every day for six months and finally I said, look, I didn't
[01:39:49.380 --> 01:39:54.420]  make the loan to just roll it over and make a new loan.
[01:39:54.420 --> 01:39:59.220]  That same group called me every day for, for six months, trying to.
[01:39:59.220 --> 01:40:08.900]  Okay, that's an FDCPA or there's another, there's a state phone act issue.
[01:40:08.900 --> 01:40:14.300]  I don't remember what it is right now, but there's, there are claims you could make,
[01:40:14.300 --> 01:40:19.100]  but if it's been over two years, you're probably out of time to make those claims.
[01:40:19.100 --> 01:40:24.700]  Okay, Randy, the reason I'm after the deceptive trade practice thing, if I can get it in there
[01:40:24.700 --> 01:40:30.780]  right, the fact that I'm over, I age and the deceptive trade practices act in Texas
[01:40:30.780 --> 01:40:37.860]  as teeth in it, the penalty that they charge is $250 every time someone breaks it and that
[01:40:37.860 --> 01:40:43.700]  penalty is paid to the person they break it on.
[01:40:43.700 --> 01:40:44.700]  Did you know that?
[01:40:44.700 --> 01:40:48.500]  Oh, so it's a penalty as opposed to a fine or a fee?
[01:40:48.500 --> 01:40:55.940]  Yeah, and the penalty goes to the person if I could prove that they broke it in my case
[01:40:55.940 --> 01:40:59.220]  each time it would be $250,000.
[01:40:59.220 --> 01:41:04.020]  I might not ever collect if I popped them for 10 of those abuses.
[01:41:04.020 --> 01:41:09.820]  I might not ever collect from them, but I might get one of the 10.
[01:41:09.820 --> 01:41:12.740]  That would, that is certainly worth looking into.
[01:41:12.740 --> 01:41:18.020]  Okay, I do need to go call us and let us know what you find on that.
[01:41:18.020 --> 01:41:21.140]  That's certainly an area I need to look closer at.
[01:41:21.140 --> 01:41:27.340]  I've heard this before on Deceptive Trade Practices Act, so I probably should research
[01:41:27.340 --> 01:41:28.340]  that.
[01:41:28.340 --> 01:41:29.340]  Yeah.
[01:41:29.340 --> 01:41:32.740]  Do you have a look at it and call us back next week?
[01:41:32.740 --> 01:41:34.740]  Okay, Randy.
[01:41:34.740 --> 01:41:35.740]  Thank you.
[01:41:35.740 --> 01:41:36.740]  Thank you, David.
[01:41:36.740 --> 01:41:40.300]  Okay, now we're going to Cardos in California.
[01:41:40.300 --> 01:41:42.300]  Hello, Mr. Cardos.
[01:41:42.300 --> 01:41:44.300]  How are you?
[01:41:44.300 --> 01:41:45.300]  Good.
[01:41:45.300 --> 01:41:46.300]  I am good.
[01:41:46.300 --> 01:41:47.300]  Thank you.
[01:41:47.300 --> 01:41:48.300]  Thank you.
[01:41:48.300 --> 01:41:49.300]  Good call.
[01:41:49.300 --> 01:41:50.300]  Very good call.
[01:41:50.300 --> 01:41:53.300]  I always learn something with you.
[01:41:53.300 --> 01:42:00.020]  I have a quick question on this case that you mentioned, Mati.
[01:42:00.020 --> 01:42:01.020]  What state was it?
[01:42:01.020 --> 01:42:04.340]  And can you give me a numerical description of the case?
[01:42:04.340 --> 01:42:05.940]  It doesn't have one.
[01:42:05.940 --> 01:42:09.020]  This is a slip opinion.
[01:42:09.020 --> 01:42:10.460]  What I have is a slip opinion.
[01:42:10.460 --> 01:42:13.660]  I don't have the published opinion.
[01:42:13.660 --> 01:42:19.660]  It's Court of Appeals, Fifth District Number 05-13-00620-CV.
[01:42:19.660 --> 01:42:20.660]  Okay.
[01:42:20.660 --> 01:42:21.660]  Okay.
[01:42:21.660 --> 01:42:24.660]  So that's 13, huh?
[01:42:24.660 --> 01:42:25.660]  Yes.
[01:42:25.660 --> 01:42:26.660]  Santiago V. Mackie.
[01:42:26.660 --> 01:42:38.860]  Let me go down here and we find my spot here.
[01:42:38.860 --> 01:42:41.100]  You're going to like this.
[01:42:41.100 --> 01:42:48.940]  You are very likely to have something very similar in California.
[01:42:48.940 --> 01:42:52.500]  And that's pretty much what I find.
[01:42:52.500 --> 01:42:55.020]  What's right and wrong is right and wrong everywhere.
[01:42:55.020 --> 01:42:58.260]  It's just a matter of finding it.
[01:42:58.260 --> 01:43:01.820]  And this doesn't have anything to do with foreclosure.
[01:43:01.820 --> 01:43:05.500]  This has to do with duties of lawyers.
[01:43:05.500 --> 01:43:15.180]  And what it says is a lawyer's protection from liability claims arising out of the representation
[01:43:15.180 --> 01:43:18.300]  of a client is not without limits.
[01:43:18.300 --> 01:43:24.300]  Texas courts have recognized exceptions to the attorney immunity defense based on an
[01:43:24.300 --> 01:43:29.900]  attorney's fraudulent or malicious conduct, even if the attorney's conduct was in the
[01:43:29.900 --> 01:43:32.900]  course of representing their client.
[01:43:32.900 --> 01:43:38.740]  An attorney can be held liable by a third party for actions that are not part of the
[01:43:38.740 --> 01:43:42.220]  discharge of his duties.
[01:43:42.220 --> 01:43:49.060]  As such, attorneys acting on behalf of their clients are not shielded from liability for
[01:43:49.060 --> 01:43:58.020]  their fraudulent conduct because fraudulent conduct acts are entirely foreign to the duties
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[01:46:20.020 --> 01:46:34.020]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, rule of law radio, and we're talking to Cardo's in California.
[01:46:34.020 --> 01:46:45.020]  So, that's the gist of the case, Cardo's, and I am absolutely certain you're going to find an equivalent in California.
[01:46:45.020 --> 01:46:50.020]  Okay, very good. How do you spell Maki?
[01:46:50.020 --> 01:46:52.020]  Wait, say that again?
[01:46:52.020 --> 01:46:57.020]  How do you spell his name? Maki? How do you spell it?
[01:46:57.020 --> 01:47:03.020]  Oh, it's Maki. Maki Wolf. I have had run-ins personally with Maki.
[01:47:03.020 --> 01:47:04.020]  And...
[01:47:04.020 --> 01:47:06.020]  But how do you spell that?
[01:47:06.020 --> 01:47:11.020]  M-A-C-K-I-E.
[01:47:11.020 --> 01:47:16.020]  Okay, I got it. Okay, last question.
[01:47:16.020 --> 01:47:26.020]  When there's a foreclosure, going back to a question regarding a foreclosure related to a bankruptcy,
[01:47:26.020 --> 01:47:46.020]  if you file bankruptcy 7th on a foreclosure, okay, if you're a foreclosure and then you file back for 7th, the foreclosing bank, the purported owner or the beneficiary of whoever wants to foreclose, doesn't show up at a 341 meeting.
[01:47:46.020 --> 01:47:52.020]  Why? If they have the right to foreclose, how come they don't show up to file a...
[01:47:52.020 --> 01:47:59.020]  In the foreclosure, was the property claimed as unsecured?
[01:47:59.020 --> 01:48:07.020]  I'm not sure about that because it's not in my property, but it was there.
[01:48:07.020 --> 01:48:12.020]  They did claim that property. I don't know whether it's secured or secured. I can ask, though.
[01:48:12.020 --> 01:48:20.020]  Okay, yeah. The lawyers normally stipulate to the property being secured.
[01:48:20.020 --> 01:48:29.020]  They just don't... I don't know. Somehow they don't think about it, and when you mention it to a lawyer, they've never done it that way, so they're reluctant to do it.
[01:48:29.020 --> 01:48:36.020]  The last lawyer I talked to, I brought this up to him, and he was reluctant.
[01:48:36.020 --> 01:48:44.020]  And I said, look, he said, well, there is a loan. I said, yeah, there is. And you're not claiming there's not a loan.
[01:48:44.020 --> 01:48:50.020]  You're simply not stipulating to any facts.
[01:48:50.020 --> 01:48:59.020]  You don't have to stipulate that these people are the true and proper bona fide holders of the claim.
[01:48:59.020 --> 01:49:03.020]  They have to prove up that they're the bona fide holders of the claim.
[01:49:03.020 --> 01:49:12.020]  So in claiming the property is unsecured, you're not saying that a note doesn't exist against it or a claim.
[01:49:12.020 --> 01:49:20.020]  You're just saying that the particular individuals who are making that claim aren't the...
[01:49:20.020 --> 01:49:27.020]  You're not sure that they're the proper holders, so you make the claim of holder status.
[01:49:27.020 --> 01:49:37.020]  I dispute your claim. Prove it up. And he got that. He understood the position.
[01:49:37.020 --> 01:49:44.020]  So look at this. Do you know how old the foreclosure is?
[01:49:44.020 --> 01:49:53.020]  No, he's been for close years. He hasn't been for close years. He's been for close as we speak.
[01:49:53.020 --> 01:49:58.020]  Oh, OK. So how long ago was the bankruptcy?
[01:49:58.020 --> 01:50:03.020]  OK. It's probably about no more than 60 days.
[01:50:03.020 --> 01:50:11.020]  Oh, wonderful. If the property was not claimed as unsecured, then reopen the bankruptcy.
[01:50:11.020 --> 01:50:18.020]  And I think it's scheduled to change it to unsecured.
[01:50:18.020 --> 01:50:26.020]  And then tell the person to go into court. The bank is in an evidence area hearing, a proof of hearing.
[01:50:26.020 --> 01:50:31.020]  And the bank's going to come in with a lot of documentation. There are going to be photocopies.
[01:50:31.020 --> 01:50:37.020]  And you simply state to the bank, I have never seen these documents before.
[01:50:37.020 --> 01:50:42.020]  We had a woman in Fort Worth that followed instructions well.
[01:50:42.020 --> 01:50:45.020]  She said, Your Honor, I've never seen these documents before.
[01:50:45.020 --> 01:50:50.020]  And the judge said, well, isn't that your signature? No, Your Honor, I did not sign these documents.
[01:50:50.020 --> 01:50:55.020]  I've never seen them before. And that's true.
[01:50:55.020 --> 01:51:00.020]  She had never seen those copies before, and she certainly didn't sign that copy.
[01:51:00.020 --> 01:51:12.020]  And she had no duty to stipulate that these were actual, true, and accurate copies of original instruments that she did sign.
[01:51:12.020 --> 01:51:21.020]  So she didn't stipulate to anything. She said the judge ground owner for about 10 minutes, and she would not back up.
[01:51:21.020 --> 01:51:33.020]  And then the judge sat back and smiled real big and turned to the lawyers and said, Well, counselors, it seems she has never seen these documents before.
[01:51:33.020 --> 01:51:39.020]  You're going to have to come into my court with the originals. She got 60 days.
[01:51:39.020 --> 01:51:44.020]  We reset the hearing. The bank didn't show up. They discharged the note.
[01:51:44.020 --> 01:51:51.020]  Did you hear the statute 11 U.S.C. 524? Then I talked about it.
[01:51:51.020 --> 01:51:58.020]  Yes. Yes. And you were referring to 8-2 in that statute?
[01:51:58.020 --> 01:52:00.020]  Wait. Say that again. I didn't understand.
[01:52:00.020 --> 01:52:09.020]  Which one were you reading? What letter or number were you reading on this statute that you just mentioned?
[01:52:09.020 --> 01:52:18.020]  11 U.S.C. 524. Effect of discharge.
[01:52:18.020 --> 01:52:23.020]  Right. Right. And in which paragraph were you reading particularly?
[01:52:23.020 --> 01:52:27.020]  A paragraph A-1 and 2.
[01:52:27.020 --> 01:52:28.020]  A?
[01:52:28.020 --> 01:52:32.020]  Let me read that whole thing again. It is so clear.
[01:52:32.020 --> 01:52:39.020]  Discharge of the case under this title voids any judgment at any time obtained.
[01:52:39.020 --> 01:52:46.020]  To the extent that such judgment is a determination of the personal liability of the debtor.
[01:52:46.020 --> 01:53:05.020]  2. Operates as an injunction against the commencement or continuation of an action, the employment of process or an act to collect, recover or offset any such debt as a personal liability of the debtor, whether or not discharge of such debt is waived.
[01:53:05.020 --> 01:53:28.020]  3. Operates as an injunction against the commencement or continuation of an action, the employment of process or an act to collect, recover from or offset against property of the debtor of the kind specified in 521A2 of this article that is acquired after the commencement of the case.
[01:53:28.020 --> 01:53:39.020]  It is abundantly clear that if you can get the discharge of the debt, it is over.
[01:53:39.020 --> 01:53:49.020]  And if they attempt to try to foreclose after that, you go right back to the bankruptcy court and ask for sanctions against them.
[01:53:49.020 --> 01:54:07.020]  Right, because he said it was under Chapter 7, then he has a document which says that all debtors are, all purported creditors are forbidden to try to collect on these items.
[01:54:07.020 --> 01:54:14.020]  But my real question is why did Walt Spargo show up to file a claim?
[01:54:14.020 --> 01:54:30.020]  Well, if the property was claimed as secured, they didn't have to show up because you already stipulated that they're the true and proper holder.
[01:54:30.020 --> 01:54:32.020]  Okay, okay.
[01:54:32.020 --> 01:54:42.020]  Yeah, that's why they didn't have to. And that's the problem with these lawyers. They're stipulating to something they don't have to stipulate to.
[01:54:42.020 --> 01:54:51.020]  Yes, I went to see an attorney on my case, not on my case, on my personal situation.
[01:54:51.020 --> 01:55:04.020]  I went to see an attorney and I told her, I wanted her to help me file a bankruptcy and I wanted to discharge my property taxes in my Francis Taxport Taxes.
[01:55:04.020 --> 01:55:17.020]  She says, you tell me, you can discharge the taxes? He says, yes. He so told you that. She told me, well, you should know that she calls up somebody else and he says, yeah, yeah.
[01:55:17.020 --> 01:55:23.020]  And then she says, I guess you're right. So I dropped her because I found out she didn't know what I was talking about.
[01:55:23.020 --> 01:55:39.020]  So I dropped her. I found another one. I found another one and then they wanted me to do an agreement so that I would pay, they were going to charge me $7,000 plus the agreement with the IRS says, no, no, I don't think so.
[01:55:39.020 --> 01:55:56.020]  So I went to, and then I finally found the real one, the real good one, and then I paid $1,060 in discharge, $192,000 including hospital bills and everything in Francis Taxport and Federal Act.
[01:55:56.020 --> 01:56:05.020]  Wonderful, wonderful. It's disheartening how much lawyers don't know.
[01:56:05.020 --> 01:56:15.020]  Yes. Carlos, did you listen to the first part of the show where we talked about the app and the tools we're designing?
[01:56:15.020 --> 01:56:22.020]  I came in late, but I'm going to go back to the recording. The recording is going to be on there today, right? Or tomorrow?
[01:56:22.020 --> 01:56:42.020]  Yes. On the first part of the show, we talked about the tools that we were designing. And essentially, we're building a tool that will contain the entire expertise of an expert in whatever area we're dealing with.
[01:56:42.020 --> 01:56:59.020]  And then we take that expertise that we can present in a graphical format so another expert can open up the whole thing and see all of the lines of questioning and all of the elements that are addressed.
[01:56:59.020 --> 01:57:09.020]  And he can look at it and say, you know, right here, I would ask a question that goes to this issue that you missed, and he can add his expertise to it.
[01:57:09.020 --> 01:57:24.020]  And once we get a number of experts putting their expertise in there, we will essentially have a tool that will make the practice of law very, very consistent.
[01:57:24.020 --> 01:57:32.020]  So now when you go to a lawyer, if he has this tool, they're not going to miss any of this stuff.
[01:57:32.020 --> 01:57:47.020]  And right now you're subject to the skill of your lawyer, because if the lawyer doesn't bring the law and before the court, the court doesn't have to consider it.
[01:57:47.020 --> 01:57:51.020]  So that is a real problem.
[01:57:51.020 --> 01:57:59.020]  It is a real problem. Okay, I'm done for today. I'll see you next week. And I guess the recording is coming back on in the commercial.
[01:57:59.020 --> 01:58:05.020]  Okay. Thank you, Carlos. Your timing is perfect. We're just running out of time.
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