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[03:28.880 --> 03:58.800]  Okay, howdy, howdy.
[03:58.800 --> 04:01.760]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore.
[04:01.760 --> 04:09.800]  We have our radio on this Friday, the 12th day of September, 2014.
[04:09.800 --> 04:14.960]  And we have with us again as last night our very special guest Ron Avery.
[04:14.960 --> 04:20.960]  If you heard Ron Avery last night, we may well be going over some of the same information.
[04:20.960 --> 04:28.600]  But what we're going to try to do is build an archive that contains basically all the
[04:28.600 --> 04:37.320]  important information about 9-11 and the context in which it is in and the context in which
[04:37.320 --> 04:39.880]  it has been treated.
[04:39.880 --> 04:45.160]  So we're going to go to Ron Avery, and we won't turn the phones on until we get through
[04:45.160 --> 04:50.160]  most of this, but we're doing a four-hour show tonight, so we will have time.
[04:50.160 --> 04:55.400]  Initially, we will want to take calls on topic.
[04:55.400 --> 05:00.220]  And if we happen by some strange chance to run out of things to talk about, we'll go
[05:00.220 --> 05:01.720]  to the topics.
[05:01.720 --> 05:08.040]  But tonight, I kind of doubt that will happen because Ron has so much information here.
[05:08.040 --> 05:14.640]  And we want this so that people can then download this archive if they want to know about 9-11
[05:14.640 --> 05:22.560]  and the issues following 9-11, they'll have a place to go and pull out most of the salient
[05:22.560 --> 05:24.680]  facts on the subject.
[05:24.680 --> 05:30.200]  So with that said, with no more ado, we're going to go to Mr. Avery.
[05:30.200 --> 05:32.920]  Hello, Mr. Avery, and thank you for being here.
[05:32.920 --> 05:33.920]  Hey, Randy.
[05:33.920 --> 05:41.000]  Well, it's a pleasure to be here, and I'm looking forward to getting into this.
[05:41.000 --> 05:43.160]  I did enjoy last night's show, too.
[05:43.160 --> 05:49.160]  I thought that was very good, and I think that's a good idea you have to develop an
[05:49.160 --> 05:54.600]  archive that contains a lot of information about this.
[05:54.600 --> 05:57.960]  I wanted to—the first thing I wanted to do was kind of do a summary of what we're
[05:57.960 --> 06:02.440]  going to do for the whole show, the full four hours.
[06:02.440 --> 06:10.320]  And so that's—it's really four hours with about four segments each.
[06:10.320 --> 06:19.320]  And so what I thought we could do is, first of all, cover the indisputable evidence concerning
[06:19.320 --> 06:27.440]  9-11 to prove that the government's story about what happened is totally erroneous.
[06:27.440 --> 06:31.200]  I don't think four hours is going to be long enough for that.
[06:31.200 --> 06:35.560]  Well, that's only the first hour.
[06:35.560 --> 06:41.680]  The second hour, I thought we could get into the plethora of evidence proving the government
[06:41.680 --> 06:48.120]  theory erroneous is inconsequential and why it's treated as inconsequential.
[06:48.120 --> 06:50.960]  Well, that's the third hour.
[06:50.960 --> 06:57.000]  I thought we'd talk about—the second hour, we could talk about the fact that we're
[06:57.000 --> 07:04.600]  not going to discover evidence that is so profound that it's going to start a government
[07:04.600 --> 07:13.240]  investigation and commence news major network coverage of this evidence.
[07:13.240 --> 07:20.260]  And then the fourth hour, I thought we could cover the reasons the irrefutable evidence
[07:20.260 --> 07:27.880]  condemning the government's story is inconsequential, and I think obviously part of it has to do
[07:27.880 --> 07:28.880]  with the government.
[07:28.880 --> 07:37.280]  I also want to get into the other social structures that decline to even hear the information,
[07:37.280 --> 07:43.200]  much less try to understand it and do something about it.
[07:43.200 --> 07:49.200]  So that's basically the summary of what we're going to try to do.
[07:49.200 --> 07:52.320]  At least that's what I want to try to do.
[07:52.320 --> 07:58.080]  I'm really a guest, so whatever the host, wherever the host wants to go, I'll be happy
[07:58.080 --> 08:00.080]  to go there.
[08:00.080 --> 08:03.200]  I'm going to do my best to keep us all on track.
[08:03.200 --> 08:05.800]  Okay, okay, very good.
[08:05.800 --> 08:16.960]  Well, then that's the summary, but following the summary, I would like to talk about the
[08:16.960 --> 08:25.240]  four parts of 9-11, which in this segment, or at least in this hour, that's the World
[08:25.240 --> 08:33.520]  Trade Center, number one, and number two—where did number two go?
[08:33.520 --> 08:36.800]  I'm typing a page here.
[08:36.800 --> 08:42.080]  Number two, actually, is the World Trade Center summary was one.
[08:42.080 --> 08:48.280]  Pentagon is number three, and Shanksville in conclusion is number four, the fourth segment
[08:48.280 --> 08:49.920]  of this hour.
[08:49.920 --> 08:55.420]  So I'm ready to talk about the World Trade Center in this segment, and the first thing
[08:55.420 --> 09:05.440]  I want to talk about is the condemning, indisputable, irrefutable, compelling evidence that shows
[09:05.440 --> 09:10.160]  the government story is incorrect on 9-11, is the Twin Towers.
[09:10.160 --> 09:14.240]  It was a non-conventional demolition.
[09:14.240 --> 09:19.360]  We were told that the Twin Towers were constructed as a hollow tube.
[09:19.360 --> 09:21.680]  That turned out to be an outright lie.
[09:21.680 --> 09:26.840]  It's actually a building within a tube.
[09:26.840 --> 09:34.360]  The center core is quite large and built of A-36 heavy steel, and it's called a gravity
[09:34.360 --> 09:35.360]  core.
[09:35.360 --> 09:40.780]  It took care of all the gravity loads that were in the building and transferred them
[09:40.780 --> 09:42.520]  to the ground.
[09:42.520 --> 09:43.520]  The exterior—
[09:43.520 --> 09:49.520]  So what you're saying is those outside steel columns did no support of the building at
[09:49.520 --> 09:50.520]  all?
[09:50.520 --> 09:52.680]  Well, not entirely.
[09:52.680 --> 09:54.400]  That's what they did.
[09:54.400 --> 09:57.480]  It was two types of forces they were handling.
[09:57.480 --> 10:00.440]  The central core handled gravity loads.
[10:00.440 --> 10:09.480]  The exterior tube and columns handled lateral loads, like wind forces acting horizontally
[10:09.480 --> 10:16.800]  on the building, were transferred over the top of the building to the far side, and then
[10:16.800 --> 10:25.000]  also transferred by a five-story hat truss that sat on top of the building that transferred
[10:25.000 --> 10:29.280]  those loads down onto a gravity core.
[10:29.280 --> 10:36.760]  So the implication that the damage to those outside columns caused the building to collapse,
[10:36.760 --> 10:42.840]  in fact, those columns weren't supporting that kind of load, it was the center column.
[10:42.840 --> 10:43.840]  Very well put.
[10:43.840 --> 10:46.680]  That's the summary of that.
[10:46.680 --> 10:54.880]  And because we saw those columns severed on the outside, that doesn't mean anything about
[10:54.880 --> 10:57.520]  what happened on the inside.
[10:57.520 --> 11:04.240]  And those exterior columns were 14 inches square, and they were made from A100 heat-treated
[11:04.240 --> 11:10.000]  steel, which is 100,000 pounds per square inch.
[11:10.000 --> 11:18.000]  These were essentially three times stronger than the gravity core steel that was used.
[11:18.000 --> 11:26.800]  So the two jets were totally shredded upon passing through the exterior wall, and most
[11:26.800 --> 11:35.800]  likely could do very little damage to those heavy columns and beams on the interior core.
[11:35.800 --> 11:45.160]  Moving along, though, these 14-inch exterior columns were connected by a 2-inch thick 52-inch
[11:45.160 --> 11:46.960]  deep spandrel panels.
[11:46.960 --> 11:49.760]  They were welded to the columns.
[11:49.760 --> 11:59.080]  These columns were only 3 foot 6 apart, center to center, and these panels formed what they
[11:59.080 --> 12:04.600]  called a verrundel, a vertical verrundel truss.
[12:04.600 --> 12:10.020]  It was 208 feet deep by 1,378 feet high.
[12:10.020 --> 12:16.200]  So basically, there were four trusses on the exterior of the building, and they were very
[12:16.200 --> 12:17.200]  strong.
[12:17.200 --> 12:26.040]  And the designers of the building, back prior to its construction in the late 60s and early
[12:26.040 --> 12:37.640]  70s, said the buildings were designed to resist multiple impacts of 707 jets upon the exteriors.
[12:37.640 --> 12:44.220]  And I think we all saw that, that nothing really happened to these buildings immediately
[12:44.220 --> 12:46.200]  after being hit by those jets.
[12:46.200 --> 12:49.680]  In fact, the jets just disappeared.
[12:49.680 --> 12:52.960]  It didn't seem to even shake the building.
[12:52.960 --> 13:01.320]  I noticed that this huge jet went into the building, but it didn't come out the other
[13:01.320 --> 13:02.320]  side.
[13:02.320 --> 13:03.320]  Yeah.
[13:03.320 --> 13:08.800]  That means there wasn't much left after it first pierced the skin to do anything once
[13:08.800 --> 13:10.960]  it went through there.
[13:10.960 --> 13:20.280]  So the idea that the jet impact tore up so much that it caused severe weakening in the
[13:20.280 --> 13:23.440]  building is simply not true.
[13:23.440 --> 13:32.980]  Also these exterior spandrel panels acted as beams for all the loads that were above
[13:32.980 --> 13:39.000]  the damage zone, and all those loads were transferred to the beams that were left, or
[13:39.000 --> 13:44.460]  the columns that were left in place on either side of the damage for the upper floors.
[13:44.460 --> 13:53.720]  So those buildings were not in any way in danger of collapse as a result of those plane
[13:53.720 --> 13:54.720]  crashes.
[13:54.720 --> 14:03.880]  And in fact, FEMA admitted that, and basically was saying the same thing I just said.
[14:03.880 --> 14:09.320]  But they said they were looking for something else that would cause the initial collapse
[14:09.320 --> 14:16.640]  or initial beginning of the collapse, and they could only think of fire.
[14:16.640 --> 14:21.760]  They were looking for something else but couldn't find anything, so they blamed it on fire.
[14:21.760 --> 14:29.240]  Well, that turns out not to hold any water either because the fires just don't get hot
[14:29.240 --> 14:37.900]  enough that are derived from jet fuel and office furniture and things like that.
[14:37.900 --> 14:44.920]  Those types of fires don't get hot enough to do serious damage to the steel structure
[14:44.920 --> 14:46.600]  that was there.
[14:46.600 --> 14:53.440]  Well, especially when the jet had ventilated the area by breaking out all the windows on
[14:53.440 --> 14:57.360]  one side, there was nothing to accumulate that heat in there.
[14:57.360 --> 14:59.320]  It's all just going to rise out the side.
[14:59.320 --> 15:05.400]  Yeah, and it was pretty obvious these fires were burning out because of the smoke was
[15:05.400 --> 15:11.400]  all black and meant that they were oxygen-starved.
[15:11.400 --> 15:15.480]  But anyway, I want to move along, too, because I don't want to spend too long on just structure.
[15:15.480 --> 15:21.280]  I want to get to the real meat of what really looks bad on this World Trade Center.
[15:21.280 --> 15:30.680]  And that is that one of the main problems is the South Tower, which was hit about an
[15:30.680 --> 15:39.420]  hour after the North Tower actually collapsed first, and the top 32 floors of it tilted
[15:39.420 --> 15:47.420]  22 degrees, at least before we saw it disappear.
[15:47.420 --> 15:50.560]  It tilted in one piece.
[15:50.560 --> 15:57.300]  It would be like a 32-story building falling off of a 78-story building, and it's pretty
[15:57.300 --> 16:06.000]  horrifying when you see that tilt, because innately your intuition tells you that that
[16:06.000 --> 16:16.680]  whole thing is going to fall off in one piece and going to be a total severe catastrophe.
[16:16.680 --> 16:18.080]  But something happens.
[16:18.080 --> 16:20.640]  It doesn't really do that.
[16:20.640 --> 16:26.600]  The result is it is all pulverized, just like the rest of the building was pulverized.
[16:26.600 --> 16:29.800]  It doesn't fall off in one big chunk.
[16:29.800 --> 16:35.840]  And the center of gravity of those upper 32 floors actually passes over the edge of the
[16:35.840 --> 16:44.720]  lower building, which just tells you something else had to occur.
[16:44.720 --> 16:45.720]  I hear the music.
[16:45.720 --> 16:47.200]  I think it's time for a break.
[16:47.200 --> 16:49.080]  Okay, we still have about 10 seconds.
[16:49.080 --> 16:54.800]  This is Randy Kelton and Steve Skidmore here with our special guest, Ron Avery.
[16:54.800 --> 16:57.880]  We'll have the phone lines off for a while, so hang on.
[16:57.880 --> 17:00.600]  We'll be right back.
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[19:24.920 --> 19:47.920]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio here on this Friday, the
[19:47.920 --> 19:57.920]  twelfth day of September 2014, with John Avery, Ron Avery, our special guest.
[19:57.920 --> 20:00.480]  My tang is getting tangled tonight.
[20:00.480 --> 20:04.360]  And when we went out, we were talking about the South Tower.
[20:04.360 --> 20:05.360]  Yes.
[20:05.360 --> 20:12.240]  We were talking about that the top 32 floors tilted 22 degrees and its center of gravity
[20:12.240 --> 20:16.600]  passed over the edge of the lower building, part of the building.
[20:16.600 --> 20:21.080]  But it was pulverized, it didn't fall in one piece.
[20:21.080 --> 20:27.000]  It was pulverized like the rest of the building, indicating for sure that there was a use of
[20:27.000 --> 20:32.640]  explosives throughout the South Tower.
[20:32.640 --> 20:42.360]  Then I want to get into the super nanothermite that was found in all the dust samples.
[20:42.360 --> 20:50.200]  This material was developed at Los Alamos and Livermore U.S. Military Labs and patented
[20:50.200 --> 20:52.920]  in the year 2000.
[20:52.920 --> 21:02.320]  And another sign of the use of this material is that pools and rivers of molten iron were
[21:02.320 --> 21:11.120]  found in the basements of the three skyscrapers six weeks after 9-11 during the cleanup.
[21:11.120 --> 21:17.880]  And molten iron is a byproduct of a nanothermite reaction, and it makes its own oxidizer so
[21:17.880 --> 21:24.560]  that it burns underwater in an oxygen-starved environment, like under a large pile of building
[21:24.560 --> 21:25.560]  debris.
[21:25.560 --> 21:32.560]  Yeah, so when the thermite is actually used, not all of it is consumed.
[21:32.560 --> 21:33.960]  That's right.
[21:33.960 --> 21:39.000]  And then once the building collapses on top of it, the residual thermite down under there
[21:39.000 --> 21:41.660]  is like magnesium underwater.
[21:41.660 --> 21:43.680]  It doesn't need outside oxygen.
[21:43.680 --> 21:48.800]  I had wondered about how those pools could be there, how they could be there in the first
[21:48.800 --> 21:54.840]  place, because I've dug into a lot of piles of rubble, and I never found no steel laying
[21:54.840 --> 21:55.840]  under them.
[21:55.840 --> 21:56.840]  Right.
[21:56.840 --> 22:02.120]  Ron, could you be so kind as to define nanothermite?
[22:02.120 --> 22:11.720]  Well, I didn't give it that name, and I'm no chemist, and I don't really know.
[22:11.720 --> 22:17.800]  All I can say is that the reason why I call it nanothermite is that the way that this
[22:17.800 --> 22:30.640]  product is made, it is manufactured so that the particles of aluminum and sometimes magnesium,
[22:30.640 --> 22:40.240]  mostly iron and I think it was aluminum, is in a mixture that is finer than a human hair.
[22:40.240 --> 22:49.280]  These fragments are shredded in a hair-like manner, and they're very fine.
[22:49.280 --> 22:51.400]  It's nanoparticulates then.
[22:51.400 --> 22:57.720]  That's right, and it's not anything that you could make in a bathtub or in a garage.
[22:57.720 --> 23:04.880]  That would give it a tremendous amount of surface area so that it would burn quickly.
[23:04.880 --> 23:10.800]  I worked with weapons in the military, and you see these big bombs they drop.
[23:10.800 --> 23:17.800]  Inside that bomb, the tritonal is cast with a star-shaped hole down the middle.
[23:17.800 --> 23:23.720]  The purpose of that is to give the product more surface area to burn on so that it'll
[23:23.720 --> 23:27.040]  burn more quickly.
[23:27.040 --> 23:34.440]  I take it this particular signature of this peculiar product was found everywhere.
[23:34.440 --> 23:40.240]  Well, it was found in all the dust samples that were taken from the World Trade Center,
[23:40.240 --> 23:47.680]  and some of these particles had not been even yet discharged because they could be ignited
[23:47.680 --> 23:57.360]  once again with a blowtorch, and they would explode and form these small iron spheres,
[23:57.360 --> 24:06.280]  meaning this molten iron was actually forming in the atmosphere around it so that it produced
[24:06.280 --> 24:09.200]  these little iron spheres.
[24:09.200 --> 24:18.160]  So this material was a farm material that should not have been in the World Trade Center,
[24:18.160 --> 24:23.280]  and it certainly didn't arrive there in those jets.
[24:23.280 --> 24:30.080]  And I do seem to remember there were reports about them finding these peculiar iron spheres
[24:30.080 --> 24:37.760]  everywhere before we heard about the thermite, and we were at ground zero on one of the anniversaries,
[24:37.760 --> 24:46.800]  and there was someone there who claimed that they painted the walls with paint laced with
[24:46.800 --> 24:47.800]  nanothermite.
[24:47.800 --> 24:48.800]  Yes.
[24:48.800 --> 24:58.920]  Nanothermite is a product that is highly versatile, and they can make it in the form of paint
[24:58.920 --> 25:04.360]  where they can add it to paint, and it can be painted on a surface, or they can form
[25:04.360 --> 25:13.600]  it just like they would other explosive material where they wrap it in a tube and wrap it around
[25:13.600 --> 25:21.960]  a column in a certain manner in which they can get a cut that's at an angle.
[25:21.960 --> 25:26.440]  And they can also use it to ignite other material.
[25:26.440 --> 25:28.460]  They use it for triggers.
[25:28.460 --> 25:35.800]  So the material is very versatile in how it's used and how it can be used.
[25:35.800 --> 25:39.800]  And I don't want to spend – that's just one of the items.
[25:39.800 --> 25:42.560]  Now that's – I want to keep moving a little bit.
[25:42.560 --> 25:48.480]  I want to touch on how Building 7, which most people didn't know about and I didn't even
[25:48.480 --> 25:55.840]  know about until a year after 9-11, about the next year I learned that Building 7, which
[25:55.840 --> 26:05.680]  is a 47-story skyscraper, about half as tall as the Twin Towers, it also collapsed on 9-11-01
[26:05.680 --> 26:14.640]  and it was part of the World Trade Center, and it fell actually at free fall acceleration.
[26:14.640 --> 26:21.000]  I at first thought it was over only about four floors, but the more I looked at the
[26:21.000 --> 26:28.080]  information, it looks like about – it fell at this speed of this free fall acceleration
[26:28.080 --> 26:33.720]  for about three and a half seconds, which would certainly be more than the distance
[26:33.720 --> 26:35.680]  of four floors.
[26:35.680 --> 26:41.040]  That would be almost really about half the building height because the whole building
[26:41.040 --> 26:43.480]  fell down in about 6.8 seconds.
[26:43.480 --> 26:48.720]  So if it fell at free fall acceleration for over three and a half seconds, that's at least
[26:48.720 --> 26:55.560]  half the tower height, so that clearly shows that the only way you could make that happen
[26:55.560 --> 27:07.340]  is by the use of explosive removal of all the columns and beams sequentially.
[27:07.340 --> 27:12.720]  Most people have probably seen the video, but what they may not have noticed if you
[27:12.720 --> 27:20.880]  watch the video closely, the building didn't teeter and move around or tip to one side
[27:20.880 --> 27:24.640]  or another, it broke in the center.
[27:24.640 --> 27:30.560]  From both sides, it imploded toward the center, and if you watched buildings being imploded,
[27:30.560 --> 27:35.600]  that's exactly what they did to them to make sure that the sides, instead of falling
[27:35.600 --> 27:39.240]  out, fell in, that's exactly what this thing did.
[27:39.240 --> 27:43.880]  If it fell on its own, it was very disciplined in how it fell down.
[27:43.880 --> 27:44.880]  Yes.
[27:44.880 --> 27:52.160]  I'm going to keep moving because I just want to make sure we cover everything.
[27:52.160 --> 27:59.200]  The other thing I wanted to mention was the admission made by Larry Silverstein, who was
[27:59.200 --> 28:08.760]  the gentleman that purchased the lease on the World Trade Center for 100 years, or 99
[28:08.760 --> 28:16.160]  years, for $100 million, and he leased it six weeks before 9-11.
[28:16.160 --> 28:18.840]  And he was really the developer of Building 7.
[28:18.840 --> 28:25.000]  He was the actual owner and developer of Building 7 prior to the leasing of the entire World
[28:25.000 --> 28:26.840]  Trade Center.
[28:26.840 --> 28:38.720]  But he admitted a year later on a PBS documentary, I think it was called Rebuilding America a
[28:38.720 --> 28:48.040]  year later, and it says, he in that video, advises the fire department that the smartest
[28:48.040 --> 28:55.520]  thing to do was just pull it, and they made that decision to pull and we watched it collapse.
[28:55.520 --> 29:02.280]  I'll try to give a better quotation of that, I pretty much memorized it.
[29:02.280 --> 29:08.600]  Larry Silverstein said he got a call from the fire station commander, fire department
[29:08.600 --> 29:16.360]  commander, and he told me that they were probably going to be unable to control the fires in
[29:16.360 --> 29:18.840]  Building 7.
[29:18.840 --> 29:26.360]  And I said, due to the terrific loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull
[29:26.360 --> 29:35.360]  it, and they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse.
[29:35.360 --> 29:43.000]  So part of that's true, part of that could be true, but part of it we know is not true.
[29:43.000 --> 29:48.360]  Okay, okay, hold on, we're about to go to break.
[29:48.360 --> 29:53.960]  This is Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Debra Stevens, Steve Skidmore, Roovelaw Radio, we'll
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[33:30.920 --> 33:58.280]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore with Rule of Law Radio and we're here with
[33:58.280 --> 34:03.560]  our special guest, Ron Avery, and we're talking about Building 7.
[34:03.560 --> 34:05.120]  Go ahead, Ron.
[34:05.120 --> 34:06.680]  Yeah, thank you.
[34:06.680 --> 34:09.840]  I wanted to move along.
[34:09.840 --> 34:15.580]  We mentioned Larry Silverstein's admission that the fire department had made a decision
[34:15.580 --> 34:26.360]  to pull the building as if they pulled buildings and so this indicates that Building 7 was
[34:26.360 --> 34:33.640]  pre-wired for demolition while it was occupied and we know that fire departments cannot wire
[34:33.640 --> 34:40.560]  buildings in one afternoon, they don't wire them at all and even if you hired a professional
[34:40.560 --> 34:49.880]  company that did demolitions, they wouldn't be able to do such a thing in a few hours,
[34:49.880 --> 34:54.420]  especially when everyone thought they might still be under attack.
[34:54.420 --> 35:02.680]  So anyway, that's pretty indicative that Building 7 was pre-wired and if Building 7 was pre-wired,
[35:02.680 --> 35:08.080]  there's no reason why Buildings 1 and 2, the Twin Towers, were not pre-wired as well.
[35:08.080 --> 35:15.920]  So moving on, we want to move to the Pentagon.
[35:15.920 --> 35:27.920]  There is where the Flight 77, a B757, was supposed to have smashed in, been hijacked
[35:27.920 --> 35:34.560]  and smashed into the side of the Pentagon, but the problems with that is that the damage
[35:34.560 --> 35:41.600]  profile on the face of the Pentagon before it collapsed did not match a B757 and this
[35:41.600 --> 35:48.880]  was reported by the American Society of Civil Engineers and Structural Engineering Institute
[35:48.880 --> 35:56.080]  that reported on the damage to the Pentagon.
[35:56.080 --> 36:05.800]  Now the other thing is that no parts of a B757 were found and the explanation for this
[36:05.800 --> 36:15.400]  fact was that the heat from the collision evaporated these two 7,000-pound titanium
[36:15.400 --> 36:23.160]  jet engines, but this is pretty strange when they claim to have found the bodies of the
[36:23.160 --> 36:31.040]  passengers on the same flight and they said those had been flown to Dover for identification.
[36:31.040 --> 36:43.320]  Now the other thing that the black box for the Flight 77 was also recovered and pilots
[36:43.320 --> 36:49.760]  for 9-11 Truth filed an open records request for the data and they received it about two
[36:49.760 --> 36:57.320]  years ago and they found from reviewing the data on the black box that the flight deck
[36:57.320 --> 37:04.640]  door or the cockpit door had never been opened in flight, meaning that no hijacking occurred
[37:04.640 --> 37:07.120]  on this particular jet.
[37:07.120 --> 37:14.400]  So whoever was flying it when it took off was the same pilot that flew it into the Pentagon.
[37:14.400 --> 37:19.720]  Do we know it was a physical pilot or could it have been done remote?
[37:19.720 --> 37:30.000]  Well, yeah, that could have been two, but they found some other problems, which I didn't
[37:30.000 --> 37:35.320]  list here, but they found some other problems with the black box information.
[37:35.320 --> 37:42.520]  They discovered that the altimeter, when you fly this particular jet at low altitudes,
[37:42.520 --> 37:48.280]  you have one setting and you have another setting when you fly at high altitudes.
[37:48.280 --> 37:53.840]  So once they're over so many feet high, they have to change it.
[37:53.840 --> 38:00.120]  Well, when you get back down to a certain height, you have to change it back.
[38:00.120 --> 38:05.520]  They found that once it had been changed, once they got high enough in the air and when
[38:05.520 --> 38:09.800]  it was changed, they found that recording.
[38:09.800 --> 38:15.000]  They discovered that it was never changed back when they got close to the ground.
[38:15.000 --> 38:22.400]  So it indicates, they said it indicated to them that this plane never flew close enough
[38:22.400 --> 38:29.200]  to the ground to ever even hit the Pentagon, according to the flight data recorded.
[38:29.200 --> 38:31.640]  And that was the question I had.
[38:31.640 --> 38:39.280]  If the aircraft hit the building hard enough to obliterate the aircraft, obliterate the
[38:39.280 --> 38:48.280]  tail section so nothing was found to identify it, and melt the titanium engines, how on
[38:48.280 --> 38:51.040]  earth did that black box manage to survive?
[38:51.040 --> 38:54.640]  Well, that's another good question, yeah.
[38:54.640 --> 38:56.240]  It was a miracle.
[38:56.240 --> 38:57.240]  Yeah.
[38:57.240 --> 39:04.280]  What I'm thinking, too, is that obviously this jet and the black box never was used
[39:04.280 --> 39:05.280]  at the Pentagon.
[39:05.280 --> 39:09.200]  It was not part of the Pentagon activity.
[39:09.200 --> 39:13.800]  They couldn't find any other parts of this jet, and all they found was this black box
[39:13.800 --> 39:16.040]  that they could produce.
[39:16.040 --> 39:21.480]  And it has information on it that doesn't seem to reflect that there was any hijacking
[39:21.480 --> 39:26.520]  or that it was flying low enough to hit the Pentagon.
[39:26.520 --> 39:35.480]  So that doesn't look good at all, and of course the pilots for 9-11 Truth found other information
[39:35.480 --> 39:42.320]  regarding the flight path of this jet, and they determined that in order on the flight
[39:42.320 --> 39:55.480]  path that the government says it was on, it could not pass over a tower and level off
[39:55.480 --> 40:03.360]  to hit the Pentagon, never touching the lawn, but hit the Pentagon right on the second floor.
[40:03.360 --> 40:08.640]  The second floor of the Pentagon hit right at the nose where it would like slice the
[40:08.640 --> 40:17.960]  jet right in half, and it was flying at a level position when it hit.
[40:17.960 --> 40:19.700]  It wasn't at an angle.
[40:19.700 --> 40:22.200]  It didn't dive into the side.
[40:22.200 --> 40:25.400]  It hit it straight horizontally.
[40:25.400 --> 40:36.400]  And they say that, first of all, the jet could not take that kind of g-force on a curve like
[40:36.400 --> 40:44.520]  that, coming down descent like that, is more g than that.
[40:44.520 --> 40:48.160]  How fast did they say that jet was going when it hit?
[40:48.160 --> 40:49.720]  Yeah, 530.
[40:49.720 --> 40:55.880]  All three of these jets, the one that hit the Pentagon and the two that hit the Twin
[40:55.880 --> 41:06.080]  Towers, both of those were doing maximum high flying speeds when they hit, at least that's
[41:06.080 --> 41:08.960]  what we were told.
[41:08.960 --> 41:11.640]  Over 500 miles per hour ground speed.
[41:11.640 --> 41:13.240]  Right, that's right.
[41:13.240 --> 41:25.240]  So anyway, the other thing that they say that occurs on a plane of this nature, which is
[41:25.240 --> 41:33.680]  certainly designed to fly with a big wingspan, is that you can't fly a jet like that, especially
[41:33.680 --> 41:39.040]  at 500 miles an hour, that close to the ground because of something they call the ground
[41:39.040 --> 41:44.960]  effect, there would be so much air.
[41:44.960 --> 41:46.640]  That was going to be my next question.
[41:46.640 --> 41:47.640]  You would think.
[41:47.640 --> 41:55.120]  There's so much air compressed between the wings and the ground that you could not do
[41:55.120 --> 41:56.120]  that.
[41:56.120 --> 41:58.240]  You would have to dive, crash it.
[41:58.240 --> 42:06.600]  You can't fly horizontal to the ground at 500 miles an hour in that particular jet.
[42:06.600 --> 42:12.840]  If anyone's ever flown and tried to land an airplane, you get the airplane set on a glide
[42:12.840 --> 42:18.600]  slope and you're easing it down to the ground, and when you get about, in a real small airplane,
[42:18.600 --> 42:23.120]  you get about, your wheels about three or four feet off the pavement, all of a sudden
[42:23.120 --> 42:30.100]  it wants to just balloon out, and it'll just scoot along on the air bouncing off the runway,
[42:30.100 --> 42:32.960]  and that's at 50 miles an hour.
[42:32.960 --> 42:35.920]  Right, right, and a smaller plane.
[42:35.920 --> 42:41.120]  In little bitty wings at 50 miles an hour, I can float on top of it.
[42:41.120 --> 42:45.680]  Five hundred miles an hour, there has to be an incredible amount of force against it.
[42:45.680 --> 42:54.600]  With a wingspan area of 2,000 square feet, that's square footage of your house, you know.
[42:54.600 --> 43:01.760]  That's a lot of air being compressed between the ground and the wings.
[43:01.760 --> 43:08.880]  In fact, they make what they call a ground effect plane that are designed only to fly
[43:08.880 --> 43:15.880]  across the water at two or three feet above the water without having to touch the water
[43:15.880 --> 43:19.600]  and avoid all the drag of the water.
[43:19.600 --> 43:24.560]  All they need to do is require enough speed to compress the air between the wings and
[43:24.560 --> 43:34.280]  the water, and they start flying, and they just move along with low-energy engines using
[43:34.280 --> 43:35.280]  the ground effect.
[43:35.280 --> 43:42.060]  Well, I've been in ground effect watching the end of one way come up on me and feeling
[43:42.060 --> 43:47.520]  the lump rising in my throat.
[43:47.520 --> 43:49.680]  Yeah.
[43:49.680 --> 43:52.200]  Your car can get the same ground effect.
[43:52.200 --> 43:55.480]  Okay, hang on.
[43:55.480 --> 43:57.280]  We're fixing to go to break, folks.
[43:57.280 --> 43:58.280]  We'll be right back.
[43:58.280 --> 43:59.280]  Stay tuned.
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[46:22.400 --> 46:41.360]  Welcome back to Rule of Law Radio folks, we've got our guest, Ron Avery.
[46:41.360 --> 46:46.520]  I was reading your name and then all the names disappeared off the deal.
[46:46.520 --> 46:57.200]  Ron Avery noted, can I say, expert on 9-11, I mean I'm reading this outline and if this
[46:57.200 --> 47:00.840]  is your information, I would consider you an expert.
[47:00.840 --> 47:07.560]  Well, yeah, certainly, I think as somebody has said in this movement, everybody that
[47:07.560 --> 47:14.760]  looks at this stuff becomes an expert because really not many people are researching it
[47:14.760 --> 47:16.600]  that well anyway.
[47:16.600 --> 47:24.000]  Yeah, well it's been 13 years and a lot of people have completely forgotten about 9-11.
[47:24.000 --> 47:30.400]  It's something that's not talked about often enough gets put into history in the annals
[47:30.400 --> 47:33.800]  of your archives of your mind and you've got to be reminded.
[47:33.800 --> 47:38.720]  So I think this 13th anniversary is a good time to revisit this event because it's still
[47:38.720 --> 47:41.080]  so important.
[47:41.080 --> 47:47.160]  But I think over the break, you were saying that you wanted to segue into the Shanksville.
[47:47.160 --> 47:48.160]  Yes.
[47:48.160 --> 47:49.160]  Boeing 757.
[47:49.160 --> 47:50.160]  Yes.
[47:50.160 --> 47:52.160]  That's Flight 93.
[47:52.160 --> 47:53.160]  Correct.
[47:53.160 --> 47:58.600]  Yeah, and kind of do a conclusion of what this evidence all points to.
[47:58.600 --> 48:03.600]  Shanksville, however, is going to be kind of short and sweet, I understand Randy has
[48:03.600 --> 48:12.680]  something to add to this too, but first of all, there were no parts of a 757 that were
[48:12.680 --> 48:20.800]  found at the crash site of Flight 93 and this is confirmed by the mayor of Shanksville whose
[48:20.800 --> 48:27.640]  sister and friend reached the site before the first responders and they stayed during
[48:27.640 --> 48:34.240]  the excavation in which nothing of the 757 was found.
[48:34.240 --> 48:45.280]  And the conclusion from all of this, which we've covered so far, and that's the major
[48:45.280 --> 48:52.960]  evidence, and there's lots of other evidence as well that we didn't cover, but I thought
[48:52.960 --> 49:01.440]  we'd try to hit the major, most profound evidence, and I think we covered most of that, proving
[49:01.440 --> 49:11.200]  that the government's story about 9-11 just really does not hold water.
[49:11.200 --> 49:21.800]  But the conclusion that one must draw from this is that the theory that 19 radical Muslim
[49:21.800 --> 49:28.240]  hijackers could obtain super nanothermite from the US government and plant over ten
[49:28.240 --> 49:35.960]  tons of it throughout the World Trade Center undetected and make two B-757s disappear upon
[49:35.960 --> 49:43.120]  impact with the Pentagon and upon crashing into the Earth in a field is simply beyond
[49:43.120 --> 49:46.460]  reason of a sound mind.
[49:46.460 --> 50:01.280]  So this idea that the next thing you immediately think of is if radical Muslims had wired the
[50:01.280 --> 50:09.920]  World Trade Center to be demolished, why in the world would they bother to hijack jets
[50:09.920 --> 50:15.720]  and crash jets into them?
[50:15.720 --> 50:17.960]  It makes for better TV presentation.
[50:17.960 --> 50:23.080]  Yeah, but I wouldn't want to be the guy that says, well, you know, I don't mind wiring
[50:23.080 --> 50:28.520]  the thing, and I don't even mind crashing the planes if that's all we had, but if you're
[50:28.520 --> 50:35.840]  just asking me to make a good TV show, I think I gotta back out, you know?
[50:35.840 --> 50:48.320]  Imagine going to Iraq or Iran and as Americans and hijacking three of their jets, how's that
[50:48.320 --> 50:50.560]  going to work out for you?
[50:50.560 --> 50:51.820]  Yeah.
[50:51.820 --> 51:01.160]  So why would they introduce such an incredible level of potential problems if they already
[51:01.160 --> 51:03.000]  had the building wired anyway?
[51:03.000 --> 51:04.000]  Correct.
[51:04.000 --> 51:08.440]  Well, I think it was Hitler that said if you tell the biggest lie you can tell and you
[51:08.440 --> 51:14.920]  keep telling it often enough and repeat it enough, it eventually becomes truth.
[51:14.920 --> 51:17.280]  Well, you know what I think happens there?
[51:17.280 --> 51:20.600]  I think that's an interesting point you make there.
[51:20.600 --> 51:28.360]  What I think of is if you've got a government that obviously has the audacity to tell you
[51:28.360 --> 51:37.200]  such a bold lie and keep telling it to you, it actually causes the people to fear saying
[51:37.200 --> 51:42.720]  anything else, because if a government is strong enough and powerful enough to tell
[51:42.720 --> 51:50.840]  you an obvious lie and keep telling you an obvious lie even after you know better, that
[51:50.840 --> 51:55.800]  does tend to cause people to want to remain quiet.
[51:55.800 --> 52:01.440]  Well, and they're also playing into our psyche.
[52:01.440 --> 52:10.040]  We don't want to admit to something that would be so terribly hard for us to deal with.
[52:10.040 --> 52:20.200]  It is much simpler to find some evil person or group that we can demonize beyond all retribution
[52:20.200 --> 52:25.840]  and then rail that in righteous indignation, and they fed that to us.
[52:25.840 --> 52:32.040]  Yes, and don't forget what we covered last night, too, was this value engineering of
[52:32.040 --> 52:38.080]  the demolition of the World Trade Center, because these twin towers were condemned for
[52:38.080 --> 52:48.360]  having asbestos fire breathing that was chipping off, and 60% of the entire structure had this
[52:48.360 --> 52:56.840]  asbestos fire breathing that had to be removed, and it's been said that the hazmat removal
[52:56.840 --> 53:06.160]  of that asbestos would cost maybe $2.5 billion just to get it out of the building, and these
[53:06.160 --> 53:11.960]  buildings were obsolete already in terms of architecture and appeal to the public.
[53:11.960 --> 53:18.480]  They were actually not doing well, they had a very low occupancy.
[53:18.480 --> 53:27.800]  A record low occupancy, but what was his name, Larry Silverstein, with a record high insurance
[53:27.800 --> 53:29.360]  policy on it.
[53:29.360 --> 53:33.400]  Yeah, yeah, and not only that one.
[53:33.400 --> 53:35.680]  That defies good business sense.
[53:35.680 --> 53:42.840]  Yeah, and he had that terrorism rider for $3.5 billion per incident.
[53:42.840 --> 53:46.880]  But he had to have lost the whole property.
[53:46.880 --> 53:51.240]  Yeah, maybe that's why Building 7 had to go.
[53:51.240 --> 53:52.240]  Absolutely.
[53:52.240 --> 53:57.640]  Even though it wasn't trashed, it had to go in order to get the money.
[53:57.640 --> 54:07.160]  Before we stray too far away from Shanksville, Mark Bingham was alleged to have made a cell
[54:07.160 --> 54:19.760]  phone call from Flight 93, however, at that time, in 2001, the technology had not been
[54:19.760 --> 54:26.140]  introduced to the public at that time in order to make it possible for him to make that cell
[54:26.140 --> 54:31.520]  phone call, and Randy, you had an experience prior to the 9-11.
[54:31.520 --> 54:34.760]  I did have a little bit of experience.
[54:34.760 --> 54:41.560]  When we were in New York, I was passing through New York and went downtown, and I have a friend
[54:41.560 --> 54:45.320]  that I call from strange places.
[54:45.320 --> 54:53.440]  And I went to the Empire State Building and made a call before I went up, I had full bars.
[54:53.440 --> 54:57.120]  Downtown Manhattan, I get in the elevator, go up to the top of the Empire State Building,
[54:57.120 --> 55:00.400]  I'm going to call her from the top of the Empire State Building.
[55:00.400 --> 55:04.440]  I got no signal at all.
[55:04.440 --> 55:09.000]  Downtown Manhattan, 1,100 feet above the ground, I've got no signal.
[55:09.000 --> 55:14.240]  I get in the elevator, go back to ground level, I got full bars.
[55:14.240 --> 55:22.840]  And they're telling me that these people made these lengthy cell phone calls from an airplane.
[55:22.840 --> 55:29.800]  That was, at the time, higher than, what did you say, 1,100 feet off the ground?
[55:29.800 --> 55:34.000]  Have to be way higher than 1,100 feet.
[55:34.000 --> 55:37.200]  So this, it's just ludicrous.
[55:37.200 --> 55:38.200]  It's impossible.
[55:38.200 --> 55:43.880]  It was physically impossible for the technology available to us in 2001.
[55:43.880 --> 55:51.520]  Yeah, because they had to have that placed on the jet, on the airplane that would transfer
[55:51.520 --> 55:54.120]  those calls.
[55:54.120 --> 55:58.040]  And it simply wasn't on the jet they were on at the time.
[55:58.040 --> 55:59.040]  Right.
[55:59.040 --> 56:05.640]  I didn't mean to throw us off track, I just wanted to go.
[56:05.640 --> 56:07.720]  I believe I'm done.
[56:07.720 --> 56:11.240]  I covered everything.
[56:11.240 --> 56:13.160]  I don't know if we can.
[56:13.160 --> 56:21.240]  You did mention that the Shanksville 747 disappeared on impact.
[56:21.240 --> 56:22.240]  757, yeah.
[56:22.240 --> 56:24.680]  I'm sorry, 757.
[56:24.680 --> 56:30.280]  There have been a lot of 757s go down, and there's trash all over the place.
[56:30.280 --> 56:32.720]  Yeah.
[56:32.720 --> 56:35.760]  So this one, all three of these magically disappeared.
[56:35.760 --> 56:41.360]  Yeah, at least these two, the ones at the Pentagon, the one at the Pentagon and the
[56:41.360 --> 56:47.200]  one at Shanksville disappeared, other than the black box, they did find the black box
[56:47.200 --> 56:48.200]  at the Pentagon.
[56:48.200 --> 56:53.200]  Well, the ones that hit the towers, the only thing apparently that survived was one guy's
[56:53.200 --> 56:54.200] ...
[56:54.200 --> 56:55.200]  Billfold.
[56:55.200 --> 56:56.200]  Yeah.
[56:56.200 --> 56:57.200]  Oh yeah, you're right.
[56:57.200 --> 57:01.520]  They really didn't find much of those either, but at least we got video of those.
[57:01.520 --> 57:04.920]  Well, they found one guy's driver's license.
[57:04.920 --> 57:05.920]  Yeah.
[57:05.920 --> 57:07.920]  Oh yeah, yeah.
[57:07.920 --> 57:08.920]  Unburned.
[57:08.920 --> 57:10.560]  Unburned intact.
[57:10.560 --> 57:11.560]  Yeah.
[57:11.560 --> 57:12.560]  Yeah.
[57:12.560 --> 57:19.080]  Just a little scorched, maybe.
[57:19.080 --> 57:26.800]  And I can just see the guy who's bringing it in with his cigarette lighter, yeah, that's
[57:26.800 --> 57:27.800]  enough.
[57:27.800 --> 57:28.800]  They'll buy that.
[57:28.800 --> 57:41.440]  You know, where I'm going with this for the next hour is that right after 9-11, or
[57:41.440 --> 57:49.400]  the year or so after, I was hoping that enough evidence would be discovered to actually have
[57:49.400 --> 57:54.560]  a real investigation of what happened and that people would wake up and all this kind
[57:54.560 --> 57:55.560]  of stuff.
[57:55.560 --> 58:04.800]  And now I've come to the conclusion that this is simply never going to happen, that there
[58:04.800 --> 58:16.120]  will be no such thing as finding significant evidence that's significant enough to cause
[58:16.120 --> 58:24.040]  a government investigation by a real law enforcement agency, as none has been done yet.
[58:24.040 --> 58:30.320]  There's been no law enforcement agency in the United States investigating 9-11.
[58:30.320 --> 58:35.800]  Well, it's been 13 years, and if it would have been, it would have been by now.
[58:35.800 --> 58:36.800]  That's right.
[58:36.800 --> 58:38.800]  Folks, we're coming to the top of our break.
[58:38.800 --> 58:44.520]  We'll be back after the news with our guest, Ron Avery.
[58:44.520 --> 58:45.520]  Stay tuned.
[58:45.520 --> 58:50.320]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:53.840]  in Iraq.
[01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.840]  Those words Wednesday from U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry contradict promises made
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[01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:05.960]  Okay, we are back.
[01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:21.800]  Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Ruv La Radio, here with our special guest Ron Avery, and
[01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:29.360]  on this hour, we're going to start talking about something that's sometimes referred
[01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:37.760]  to as cognitive dissonance, one of the things that our government tends to rely on that
[01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:44.800]  they can tell the most horrible stories, the most outrageous and unbelievable stories,
[01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:51.200]  but if they make them sound bad enough, they can always get the public to accept what they
[01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:55.760]  say if they say it loud enough and long enough.
[01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:02.320]  And it appears that in this case, we hear all this talk about free press.
[01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:05.320]  I think Ron is going to talk to us about a free press.
[01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:06.320]  Ron?
[01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:07.320]  Yeah.
[01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:08.320]  Thanks again.
[01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:20.320]  And this hour, I want to get into the notion that all this plethora of evidence proving
[01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.880]  the government theory erroneous is totally inconsequential.
[01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:32.800]  I don't know what it would take to get an investigation if this stuff doesn't do it.
[01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:39.960]  And what I want to do for people that have just tuned in is to have just a real quick
[01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.760]  repeat of the condemning forensic evidence that we just covered.
[01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:51.960]  One was the super nanothermite, a multi-purpose incendiary found in all World Trade Center
[01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:53.800]  dust.
[01:05:53.800 --> 01:06:00.800]  The top 32 floors of the south tower tilted 22 degrees, passing the center of gravity,
[01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:07.920]  and it ended up pulverized in the air, just like the rest of the building, meaning explosives
[01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:10.560]  were placed throughout the building.
[01:06:10.560 --> 01:06:18.560]  South tower two fell first after being hit an hour after tower one, and after the firemen
[01:06:18.560 --> 01:06:22.640]  reached the impact zone and reported they were going to put out the small pockets of
[01:06:22.640 --> 01:06:28.960]  fire with two fire hoses, and this indicated they were intentionally killed to prevent
[01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:35.200]  them from saving the building and revealing the explosive material in the building.
[01:06:35.200 --> 01:06:42.200]  Tower seven, 47 stories tall, it falls at pre-fall acceleration over half the height
[01:06:42.200 --> 01:06:44.240]  of the building.
[01:06:44.240 --> 01:06:51.320]  Larry Silverstein, the purchaser of the lease of the World Trade Center only six weeks before
[01:06:51.320 --> 01:07:01.440]  9-11, he admits that building seven was pulled and that the fire department pulled it, made
[01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:07.960]  that decision, and that's a very odd statement, nobody seemed to care about that.
[01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:14.760]  There were no wreckage found of the B-757, Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, and the damage
[01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:21.560]  profile does not fit the 757, and the cockpit door was never opened in flight according
[01:07:21.560 --> 01:07:29.280]  to the black box they turned over, the government turned over to pilots for 9-11 Truth, and
[01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:37.640]  no wreckage was found of the B-757 at the crash site of Flight 93.
[01:07:37.640 --> 01:07:45.600]  So now moving on, if that type of evidence is not significant enough to cause the news
[01:07:45.600 --> 01:07:57.080]  media to alter its story, and to cause some police agency in America to investigate the
[01:07:57.080 --> 01:08:08.640]  crime of the century, and that's forming the cornerstone of the world activity, what
[01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:16.740]  kind of evidence would it take to initiate an investigation and get the news media to
[01:08:16.740 --> 01:08:25.240]  quit parroting the same old mythological trash about 9-11?
[01:08:25.240 --> 01:08:30.680]  They did it all week long leading up to 9-11 this year.
[01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:40.880]  And so anyway, this proof that we've provided is indisputable, it's irrefutable, no one
[01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:47.440]  has ever tried to disprove it, no one has ever been able to disprove it, they can't
[01:08:47.440 --> 01:08:51.960]  prove that nanothermite was not found in the dust sample.
[01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:59.920]  All this evidence, no one can get rid of it by the usual manner, proving it's erroneous.
[01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:06.040]  So how is all, why does none of this evidence matter?
[01:09:06.040 --> 01:09:14.920]  And this is what needs to be addressed 13 years after 9-11, after all this evidence
[01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:22.320]  has come out, and nobody, the government, the news media could care less, and we're
[01:09:22.320 --> 01:09:28.920]  going to get into some other social institutions that care less too, who should care.
[01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:38.520]  So it's amazing, but it's a truth that there's been no investigation initiated or completed
[01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:46.880]  by any law enforcement or police department in the entire United States of the 9-11 event.
[01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:54.240]  The 9-11 Commission is not a law enforcement agency, nor does the report investigate the
[01:09:54.240 --> 01:10:02.760]  evidence surrounding the collapse of the 10 Twin Towers, the collapse of World Trade Center
[01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:11.040]  Building 7, or the Pentagon, or Shanksville. It is simply a summary of an inquiry into
[01:10:11.040 --> 01:10:17.560]  the concepts of terrorism held within the U.S. government. It is more of a treatise
[01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:25.520]  on views of terrorism held by a government official. A quick reading of the table of
[01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:32.440]  contents reveals this truth, and I'm just going to kind of give you a taste of this.
[01:10:32.440 --> 01:10:41.120]  I'm now looking at the table of contents of the, rather than try to, it's like almost
[01:10:41.120 --> 01:10:46.840]  600 pages long, and one of the reasons it's so long is to prevent anybody from trying
[01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:55.960]  to go through all this material anyway. Let me give you the main headings of this. It's
[01:10:55.960 --> 01:11:02.840]  rehab some planes. That's number one. How great is that? Number two, the foundation
[01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:09.520]  of new terrorism, the declaration of war, bin Laden's appeal to the Islamic world, the
[01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:15.960]  rise of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, building an organization, declaring war on the United
[01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:23.640]  States, Al Qaeda's renewal in Afghanistan. Now, does that sound to you like an investigation
[01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:30.000]  of what happened at the World Trade Center? There was an investigation of the first bombing
[01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:37.240]  at the World Trade Center. There was also an investigation done on the USS Cole and
[01:11:37.240 --> 01:11:44.160]  several others into Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, and it was done by a guy named John
[01:11:44.160 --> 01:11:54.640]  O'Neill, John P. O'Neill. He was working for the FBI and died on 9-11 2001.
[01:11:54.640 --> 01:12:04.960]  Yeah. But here's what I'm driving at. In order to sound like you had a report on the evidence
[01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:13.200]  of 9-11, wouldn't it be something like results from lab tests of steel fragments found at
[01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:24.680]  the World Trade Center, results of the high tech laboratory results of showing nano fermite
[01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:33.760]  particulates in the dust sample, frag bone fragments, tiny bone fragments of people found
[01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:46.040]  on tops of buildings two blocks away. Why wouldn't it cover that kind of material instead
[01:12:46.040 --> 01:12:55.840]  of counter-terrorism evolved? That's number three of the 9-11 Commission report. It talks
[01:12:55.840 --> 01:13:04.440]  about from old terrorism to new. That was that counter-terrorism was John O'Neill's
[01:13:04.440 --> 01:13:12.160]  specialty in the FBI. Yes. And in fact, it talks about it. It says the first World Trade
[01:13:12.160 --> 01:13:17.480]  Center bombing. And of course, you found out later that the first World Trade Center bombing
[01:13:17.480 --> 01:13:28.040]  was a FBI organized deal as a sting operation that went bad or they claimed went bad. Something
[01:13:28.040 --> 01:13:38.000]  went wrong. They gave the patsy live ammunition or live munitions instead of the dud that
[01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:42.680]  they were told the guy they were going to give him to see if they could see if he could
[01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:49.200]  get by security. Well, he gets by security all right, but he has a real bomb and he didn't
[01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:54.680]  know he had a real bomb. All this stuff comes out later and nobody ever hears about it.
[01:13:54.680 --> 01:14:01.520]  The news never reports that particular thing. So not only are people in dark about 9-11,
[01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:06.120]  they're in dark even about the first World Trade Center bombing, which again was another
[01:14:06.120 --> 01:14:12.720]  total hoax. Well, if you keep your head in the sand, everything's dark. That's true.
[01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:18.760]  Well, anyway, this stuff just gets, I mean, look at now Chapter 4 is responses to Al Qaeda's
[01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:26.120]  initial assault. What does that got to do with an investigation of everything that had
[01:14:26.120 --> 01:14:33.200]  to do with the World Trade Center? All the evidence surrounding that. Al Qaeda's aims
[01:14:33.200 --> 01:14:41.000]  at the number, Chapter 5 is Al Qaeda's aims at the American homeland. 6, Chapter 6, from
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:49.560]  threat to threat. Number 7 is the attack looms. I mean, this almost sounds like a novel, somebody
[01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:57.520]  writing a novel about terrorism and you want to scare folks and get somebody to make a
[01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:06.800]  movie of it. Then it says, Chapter 8 is the system was blinking red. Oh my goodness, there
[01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:13.160]  were all kinds of signs within the government that there was something bad going to happen.
[01:15:13.160 --> 01:15:21.200]  And then Chapter 9, heroism and horror. Oh, the great strength that some people showed
[01:15:21.200 --> 01:15:28.440]  and the horror that they had to endure. What does all that have to do truly with a criminal
[01:15:28.440 --> 01:15:35.320]  investigation? Again, this doesn't sound like anything that has to do with an investigation
[01:15:35.320 --> 01:15:43.520]  of the facts of this crime. Sounds more like a plan for the aftermath. It does. Exactly.
[01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:51.720]  It sounds like they are. All this is, is a regurgitation of the American foreign policy
[01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:59.640]  and what they anticipated was happening in other countries and who was doing what. But
[01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:06.760]  it's all conjecture. It doesn't have anything to do with real facts about what happened
[01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:13.960]  at the World Trade Center. Now, Chapter 10 says wartime and sub chapters, immediate responses
[01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:21.920]  at home, planning for war, Phase 2 and the question of Iraq. Here they are already talking
[01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:29.040]  about Iraq in the commission report of 9-11. That didn't come up till a lot later. And
[01:16:29.040 --> 01:16:38.160]  then Chapter 11 is foresight and hindsight, imagination, policy, capability, management.
[01:16:38.160 --> 01:16:42.880]  This is not an investigation of any crime. That's all there is to it. And it wasn't done
[01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:51.160]  by a law enforcement branch of anything. OK, hang on. We're about to go to break. Randy
[01:16:51.160 --> 01:17:00.680]  Smith, Steve Skidmore, Wheel of Life Radio here with John Avery. We'll be right back.
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[01:19:32.400 --> 01:19:52.400]  Welcome back to Rule of Law Radio, folks. Tonight's a special night. We're here with
[01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:59.400]  our guest, Ronald Avery, and not John Avery, Randy, Ronald Avery.
[01:19:59.400 --> 01:20:16.400]  9-11, folks, let's not erase this from our memory. The events that took place on 9-11
[01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:22.400]  brought us the most draconian document ever instituted in American history. And I'm referring
[01:20:22.400 --> 01:20:37.800]  to the Patriot Act. No patriot would act that way, but regardless, without regard to that,
[01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:40.400]  where did you want to go, Mr. Avery, from here?
[01:20:40.400 --> 01:20:46.800]  Okay, well, I think they should have called that document the Tyranny Act. That's really
[01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:52.800]  what it was and is, but they always have to change the name of something to make it sound
[01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:57.800]  a lot better as opposed to what you're really getting there.
[01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:03.300]  Well, it seems to me like everything that the government does, every type of act, is
[01:21:03.300 --> 01:21:10.800]  exactly opposite of what it really is doing, what it's called. Yeah, a war on drugs. It's
[01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:19.800]  not a war on drugs. It's a war on people. A war on illiteracy. It's not a war on illiteracy.
[01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:27.300]  It's a war on common sense. A war on poverty. Any time the government wages war on something
[01:21:27.300 --> 01:21:30.800]  like the war on terrorism, we seem to get more of it.
[01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:37.800]  Yeah. Well, they certainly had to introduce some of it to even declare war on it.
[01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:43.800]  Yeah, absolutely. If you don't have it, how can you have a war against it? So you have
[01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:45.800]  to introduce it in order to fight it.
[01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:54.800]  And like the war on drugs, if there's no drugs here, then there's nothing to have funding
[01:21:54.800 --> 01:22:03.800]  for, and there's no pool in which these politicians can dip their ladles.
[01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:10.800]  Yeah. I think we're jumping the gun a little bit because I think we're going to get into
[01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:12.800]  a whole lot of that here.
[01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:17.800]  Good. Well, I will relinquish the floor to you, sir.
[01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:21.800]  Okay. But not to cut you short at all. I like where you're at.
[01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:23.800]  Not at all. Go ahead.
[01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.800]  He's six foot eight. Cutting short.
[01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:32.800]  I wish somebody would cut him short. I keep smacking my head on things people don't normally
[01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:33.800]  notice.
[01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:38.800]  I have one friend that's six nine, and I know what that is. That's a tall guy.
[01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:42.800]  I'm not as tall as I look. I'm only five twenty.
[01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:49.800]  Someday we'll talk about walking into a ceiling fan with a quart jar of iced tea.
[01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:55.800]  No, that was Gatorade, but that's a different story for another time.
[01:22:55.800 --> 01:23:02.800]  Well, anyway, I wanted to bring up the next, the result of this, somewhat of the result
[01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:10.800]  of this allowing these kinds of crimes to go uninvestigated and what the fruit of that
[01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:16.800]  is, and I want to bring up now what's been going on, is the notice that the trend continues
[01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:22.800]  in the ISIS, or ISIL they call it, ISIS crisis.
[01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:30.800]  The two videos that were produced, the two beheadings of American journalists, it turned
[01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:37.800]  out to be fake, and that's been found by forensic experts that work for the London Police Department,
[01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:43.800]  and this fact was reported by the UK Times in London.
[01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:54.800]  And so it appears that this fact doesn't, and this information doesn't stop or hinder
[01:23:54.800 --> 01:24:01.800]  in any way our so-called representatives or our so-called news media in the United States.
[01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:13.800]  They just keep on pounding these themes and stories and myths in order to manipulate the
[01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:20.800]  population and manipulate the representatives or so-called representatives of the people.
[01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:31.800]  And they just continue to pump out this false information as news in order to achieve their
[01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:39.800]  own private goals, to enslave the American people, as you just mentioned, Steve, about
[01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:49.800]  the Patriot Act and things like it, and to enslave them into fighting unjust wars, and
[01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:55.800]  they are manipulating the so-called public servants of the people with this information.
[01:24:55.800 --> 01:25:03.800]  And I notice that CNN and Fox, and it doesn't matter whether this is conservative television
[01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:12.800]  or conservative radio or talk radio, they all are doing the same thing, and it is to
[01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:24.800]  reiterate and regurgitate these myths about things that we now know are just simply not
[01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:25.800]  factual.
[01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:34.800]  They involve other people, and in my mind, I don't think we know anything about those
[01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:36.800]  two American reporters.
[01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:40.800]  I wouldn't even say now that they're dead at all.
[01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:44.800]  They may be living, as far as I know.
[01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:51.800]  The forensic experts say that they think they may be killed and they may be dead, but they
[01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:54.800]  weren't killed on those two videos.
[01:25:54.800 --> 01:26:00.800]  So, well, what does that mean, and how do we know anything if all that was false?
[01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:10.800]  So, anyway, this leads me into the next segment of this deal, is why is this indisputable
[01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:15.800]  evidence inconsequential throughout America?
[01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:22.800]  And I say it is because the United States government has actually been overthrown by
[01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:29.800]  the tyrannical major news media, and they report only what they want the people and
[01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:32.800]  their representatives to hear.
[01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.800]  The private major mass media moguls are the enemy of the people, and they have overthrown
[01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:44.800]  their government and made it a servant of the media, which does not report news, but
[01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:52.800]  rather simply reads a script to the world that will accomplish the results they want.
[01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:59.800]  All the tyrannical media moguls are repeating the same information about the 9-11 attacks
[01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.800]  that we all heard 13 years ago.
[01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.800]  They know better than us.
[01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:09.800]  I think at the top of that food chain, we've got Rupert Murdoch.
[01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:19.800]  Yeah, yeah, Fox News and other news outlets that he owns.
[01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:23.800]  He purchased the Wall Street Journal.
[01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:25.800]  Yeah.
[01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:27.800]  And let's don't leave CNN out.
[01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:32.800]  Let's don't even leave Clearwater and all these, even these conservative talk shows,
[01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:41.800]  radio talk show, Sean Hannity, all those programs, Rush Limbaugh, you name it.
[01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:46.800]  They all are regurgitating this same material.
[01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:53.800]  And they know, see, it's one thing to do this the first year after 9-11.
[01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:56.800]  You could claim, well, I didn't know that.
[01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:05.800]  Boy, now, oh, man, nanothermite, did you say they found nanothermite in all the dust samples?
[01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:09.800]  That doesn't come from a jet or a hijacker.
[01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:11.800]  Wouldn't they all say, hey, you know what?
[01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:13.800]  I'm going to quit saying that.
[01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:18.800]  I'm going to quit saying that because that's not the truth and that's scary.
[01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:20.800]  No, they don't quit saying that.
[01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.800]  Now it's 13 years later.
[01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:31.800]  Let's not pretend that all these people, all these news shows and Fox and CNN don't know better than this
[01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:40.800]  because they've actually had Dave von Kleist, other people that have been introducing evidence,
[01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:46.800]  they've actually had them on their TV shows and radio shows and talk about them.
[01:28:46.800 --> 01:29:00.800]  But rather than accept this information as factual, they just simply try to humiliate the messenger.
[01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:02.800]  Yeah, discredit them.
[01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:03.800]  Yeah.
[01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:09.800]  And so but they can no longer claim ignorance anymore of these facts.
[01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:15.800]  But that doesn't stop them from repeating now what they know to be a lie.
[01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:29.800]  So they have become part of the 9-11 undeniable and indisputable conspiracy that the 9-11 events
[01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:39.800]  were not in fact done by Muslim extremists, but by American citizens within the United States.
[01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.800]  Or at least they participated in it.
[01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:46.800]  They may not have all been American citizens, but many of them were.
[01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:48.800]  They were definitely terrorists.
[01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:52.800]  Now we've got to define terrorists, foreign or domestic.
[01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:54.800]  And I do hear the music in the background.
[01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:56.800]  Folks, we'll be right back after these brief messages.
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[01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:44.800]  Welcome back to Rulaw Radio, folks.
[01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:52.800]  Tonight we're kind of, we usually stay on the topic of law, but this is kind of on the topic of law.
[01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:56.800]  Well, or statute, or an act, Patriot Act.
[01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:03.800]  That was the ultimate goal, I think, of the events that took place in 9-11, 2001.
[01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:14.800]  We've got Ron Avery with us tonight, and Ron, you've done your homework, sir.
[01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:15.800]  Well, thank you.
[01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.800]  You have certainly done your homework.
[01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:38.800]  I think if another 10%, maybe even less than 10%, of this country's population does a fraction of the research that you have done, this country will turn around on its heels.
[01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.800]  I would hope so.
[01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:43.800]  I would hope so as well.
[01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:45.800]  Where did we leave off?
[01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:46.800]  I didn't take a note.
[01:34:46.800 --> 01:35:01.800]  Okay. Well, I was just talking about the media, having the mainstream media, tyrannical media, moguls, have literally overthrown our government.
[01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:06.800]  And they control it and the people through the news media.
[01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:16.800]  And it is so powerful that no one can go up against this news media structure or they'll be ruined.
[01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:26.800]  And I think most everybody in politics is fairly aware of that, and most of the people should certainly be aware of that.
[01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:40.800]  But what this means, the reason, what I'm trying to really make, the main point I wanted to make tonight is not that we don't have powerful evidence,
[01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:50.800]  indisputable, irrefutable, and compelling evidence that the government story about 9-11 is a falsehood.
[01:35:50.800 --> 01:36:01.800]  It's not that we don't have the evidence. It's that we don't have anybody that's interested in broadcasting it.
[01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:03.800]  And I'm talking about on a major level.
[01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:05.800]  Absolutely not.
[01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:07.800]  mainstream moguls.
[01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:09.800]  Yeah, there's too many careers at stake.
[01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:19.800]  Yes. And the politicians, none of these people, and in fact the courts and the law enforcement, law enforcement is not even interested in covering this.
[01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:29.800]  So the only people that are interested in this information anymore are private individuals.
[01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:44.800]  And of course, private individuals have a hard time doing anything on their own outside of being able to get a large company to do something with it.
[01:36:44.800 --> 01:37:01.800]  So what this really means, why all this information and evidence is inconsequential is that the media moguls are in fact part of the 9-11 undeniable conspiracy,
[01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:09.800]  and they have successfully overthrown our government and enslaved the people and the government to their will.
[01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:16.800]  We no longer have a lawful government, and it does not serve the interests of the people, but their own interests.
[01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:34.800]  So this brings us to the, really the fourth part of my presentation is that there's other reasons this irrefutable evidence condemning the government story of 9-11 is inconsequential.
[01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:49.800]  And that is that a church, the Christian church, which should be the conscience of the United States and the nation, is no longer the salt and light of the community.
[01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:56.800]  It too has been perverted in not only terms of deaf ear to the truth about 9-11, but actively...
[01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:57.800]  Ron.
[01:37:57.800 --> 01:37:58.800]  Yes.
[01:37:58.800 --> 01:37:59.800]  Question.
[01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:00.800]  Sure.
[01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:02.800]  Are you an atheist?
[01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:09.800]  Oh, not me. No. And there may be some atheists listening, and I'm not really talking about that.
[01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:15.800]  No, my point was is that Ron Avery is a confessed Christian.
[01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:16.800]  Well, that's true.
[01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:22.800]  So he's not here attacking the Christian faith.
[01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:26.800]  No, I am attacking the church, which is a different thing.
[01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:27.800]  Exactly.
[01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:39.800]  The church, what I refer to as the church, is the organized body, even if it is the body of Christ, it's been perverted.
[01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:59.800]  And the institution itself, as you know, throughout history, the institution of the church has oftentimes been way off from the truth and has to be returned to the fundamental basis of what Christ really did and taught.
[01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:14.800]  And I fix to get into just a little bit of that and show why the church is no longer an institution that is interested in the truth or the facts about what its government is doing or what anything else is doing.
[01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:33.800]  But also, it does participate in politics and it does advocate what some of our government and the news media advocate, which is the destruction of Muslims and aiding Israel against its enemies.
[01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:55.800]  And what I'm going to try to show is that here is the evidence that this is the result of a heresy within the church and this is one of the reasons that there's very little activity and resistance to the lies that the media and the government are promoting.
[01:39:55.800 --> 01:40:04.800]  And it's actually from a particular doctrine and this doctrine is called premillennialism.
[01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:30.800]  And the church is supportive of this doctrine and it results in injustice of 9-11 and this theology and the reason why they go along with it basically is that they are lazy and happy in the approval of their overthrown government that they live under.
[01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:42.800]  And the church could really change these things if it were to be awakened to its real responsibilities and the truth of what Christ did in the world.
[01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:53.800]  This premillennial doctrine is new to the world as it was developed about 1789 by a man named Manuel Lacunza.
[01:40:53.800 --> 01:41:11.800]  He was a Catholic priest but he developed what is called premillennialism and it has now become, it was picked up by John Darby in England and eventually came to America and is presently the mainstream doctrine of Western Christianity.
[01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:23.800]  Prior to this, postmillennialism was what our founders of America believed concerning the end times.
[01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:28.800]  But premillennialism is the mainstream of the modern era.
[01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:41.800]  It is, I consider, premillennialism to be the worst heresy the church has ever suffered because of the following reasons and I have five of them.
[01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:59.800]  Number one, it denies and does not keep the works of Christ and his death, resurrection, and ascension, which in fact sets up the kingdom of heaven upon earth and gives eternal life to all that participate in that operation performed by Christ.
[01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:10.800]  Number two, it denies that the kingdom of God or heaven has been established on earth and it insists that this is to come upon the second coming of Christ.
[01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:26.800]  Number three, and until then of the second coming, the Jews are still the chosen people and can do no wrong and must be supported against all their enemies in order to obtain God's blessing.
[01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:44.800]  Number four, this has caused Western Christianity to join with Judaism against the world, yet Jews deny their own salvation in Christ and are the anti-Christ because they do not believe he is the savior of all mankind.
[01:42:44.800 --> 01:43:05.800]  Number five, the result is that it has the blood of innocent people on the hands of the Western Christian church and it does not care and will resist the truth and censor and censure and remove those who bring in the truth about 9-11.
[01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:14.800]  And they will support the destruction of innocent people as a result of 9-11.
[01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:36.800]  So these things are not only false, these things they believe, but they are dangerous and in a sense it kind of closes the door to people that are seeking salvation and it also supports crimes done.
[01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:48.800]  So in summary, we live under an overthrown government and the conscience of the church in America has been seared with a hot iron.
[01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:53.800]  We're going to have to come back on the other side before we finish that up.
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[01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:40.800]  Welcome back to Rule of Law Radio folks and thank you for joining us on this Friday night.
[01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:50.800]  We're going to open the phone lines so if you'd like to get in and join us in conversation, 512-646-1984 is the number you can dial to do that.
[01:46:50.800 --> 01:47:06.800]  I believe Ron Avery is our guest tonight and I believe he's just about to wrap up his presentation so we will be taking calls probably midway through this section.
[01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:11.800]  So if you'd like to, go ahead and light up the phones. They are on. The phone lines have been turned on.
[01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:15.800]  So Ron, I'm going to hand it back to you.
[01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:19.800]  Try to bring these questions on point if you can.
[01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:21.800]  Yes, please.
[01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:37.800]  Okay. Yeah, I just got through covering why I think that the church is nonresponsive to any information about 9-11 and they resist hearing the truth about it.
[01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:52.800]  However, they're not neutral. They also support all this activity against the Muslims by and large and in the face of the
[01:47:52.800 --> 01:48:02.800]  and at the same time rejecting any kind of evidence to imply that they might not be doing the right thing.
[01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:13.800]  And it's done for a heresy, a heretical theological concept that's new to the world.
[01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:22.800]  And it's time that this particular theology be left behind because it's not good for Christians.
[01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:35.800]  And it's not even good and it's also resulting in the deaths of innocent people and putting their blood on the hands of the church itself.
[01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:49.800]  And in summary of all this information that we've talked about tonight, it cannot be concluded any other way and that is that we live under an overthrown government.
[01:48:49.800 --> 01:49:03.800]  The government is operating not by law and I understand this show in the rule of law radio is mainly about law and this is right on target.
[01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:15.800]  We want to know why the laws in America are not enforced nor crimes investigated nor courts hearing the charges.
[01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:33.800]  None of this seems to be working anymore and according to John Locke and Fredrick Bastier, they would say that the nation has been dissolved
[01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:52.800]  and that it's no longer a lawful entity as it operates the population and the legal apparatus of it by the creation of crises and the manipulation of the emotions of the people.
[01:49:52.800 --> 01:50:05.800]  It doesn't operate by law or by reason and it has altered the constitutional provisions by law without the required amendments.
[01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:32.800]  And when they do that, that is total dissolution of lawful government and the people are no longer constrained to live under any of its laws and the federal government loses all authority to do anything on behalf of the people to make any laws or to command their obedience.
[01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:48.800]  So the next consequence, the conclusion that can be drawn is that the conscience of the church in America has been seared with a hot iron by their hypocrisy and lies they have willingly supported against the innocent
[01:50:48.800 --> 01:51:02.800]  and is not interested in repentance at all but had rather enjoyed the approval of an overthrown government and the tyrannical news media, major news media.
[01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:22.800]  And finally, but they acknowledge that still the key to remember is that the truth can still make us free so we need to spread this truth around everywhere we can.
[01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:50.800]  This brings to mind a question. I wonder how many of our church leaders would be willing to kick over the tables of the money changers with the government intentionally intruded into religion with using the tax as a gambit
[01:51:50.800 --> 01:52:11.800]  to put pressure on otherwise well-meaning church leaders who are trying to help their people as much as they can so that they keep the church leaders helping their people only in very highly focused local issues.
[01:52:11.800 --> 01:52:29.800]  Could I interject something here too? Just for fun in case people think I was just suggesting this or had an inclination that this trend in the church is just hypothetical or just conjecture.
[01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:44.800]  I'm using myself as an example because I tried to get this 9-11 information and evidence into my own church I was attending and you can read all about it
[01:52:44.800 --> 01:53:03.800]  as I actually ended up filing charges against the pastor in the church court and it was after what they called an investigation, they immediately dismissed my claim.
[01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:27.800]  And my claim was that the pastor did not have authority under the constitution of the Presbyterian Church USA to censor me or censure me to keep me from presenting information about 9-11 evidence in our Sunday school class.
[01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:44.800]  Because one of the reasons I was trying to do that is because some of the literature that was introduced into our Sunday school class had all this 9-11 falsehood in it.
[01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:56.800]  So I felt knowing better than this information, I thought it was my duty to inform the Sunday school class that stuff that we were reading in class was simply not factual.
[01:53:56.800 --> 01:54:10.800]  And when I did that, I was actually called by the pastor and essentially told to shut up and never bring that stuff up again, all those conspiracy theories in church anymore.
[01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:19.800]  I have a question for you Mr. Avery. Was that church a 501c3 non-profit organization?
[01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:28.800]  Well, yes it is, but that doesn't really mean anything because almost all of these churches are 501c3.
[01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:36.800]  And believe me, I studied the 501c requirements for a church because I knew about this and I heard about this too.
[01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:56.800]  Those things only impact the church during an election cycle where it's actually an election going on and it has to do with standing or advocating one position over another.
[01:54:56.800 --> 01:55:06.800]  It's like a referendum or a law or something like that that's being a proposition before the people if you're advocating one or the other.
[01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:18.800]  You can't do that. And the other thing you can't do is you can't like not sponsor but stand for one candidate over another.
[01:55:18.800 --> 01:55:27.800]  That doesn't mean you can't talk about 911 or you can't talk about terrorism in general.
[01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:37.800]  This is why I say this is a theological problem, not just a tax issue.
[01:55:37.800 --> 01:56:06.800]  And I agree wholeheartedly, but it's my understanding that if there is a complaint or if there are more than one complaint about the speech that is being rendered to a congregation in regard to anything political and 911 being a political issue,
[01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:19.800]  that jeopardizes the 501c3 tax-exempt status of the organization, whether it be a church or any other organization.
[01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:26.800]  I see the 501c3 as a quasi-gag order on our church leaders.
[01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:38.800]  It can have that effect. But let me say this as to give you another example. I've been attending a small little church in a living room and they don't have a 501c3.
[01:56:38.800 --> 01:56:51.800]  They hardly have a church at all. They got about 20 people that come to this thing and they have the same theology and they give me the same blasting I got there at the big 501c church.
[01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:59.800]  I get it in the living room. So this is theology, not government tax regulation.
[01:56:59.800 --> 01:57:04.800]  I'm going to suggest that this may well be humanity.
[01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:06.800]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:08.800]  It is our nature.
[01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:10.800]  It's our nature, that's right.
[01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:22.800]  It's just in our nature and we want things to be the way we believe that things are and how dare you challenge my personal beliefs.
[01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:34.800]  I knew a fellow once I worked with and he once told me, well, by God, that's the way it is and I don't want to hear no proof to the contrary.
[01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:40.800]  Yeah, I've got my mind made up. Don't confuse me with facts.
[01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:45.800]  And that's not church. That's just our nature.
[01:57:45.800 --> 01:57:53.800]  And these are people who are very comfortable in their belief system and how dare you come and rattle their cage.
[01:57:53.800 --> 01:58:05.800]  How dare you come down and imply that they should actually stand up and step outside their comfort zone and take some action.
[01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:09.800]  Well, I could see that if you were a member of a golf club.
[01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:21.800]  But if you're a member of a church, they have certain doctrines that they should adhere to and the doctrine that they're ignoring these doctrines in the church.
[01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:30.800]  So what I'm saying is, you know, the natural should not apply to a church because it is supernatural.
[01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:36.800]  It should not be held to natural standards, but to supernatural standards.
[01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:37.800]  Agreed.
[01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:41.800]  And I agree that people are what they are.
[01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:44.800]  And it's going to be hard to change that. Hang on.
[01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:45.800]  About to go to break.
[01:58:45.800 --> 01:58:46.800]  Randy Calvin, Steve Skidmore.
[01:58:46.800 --> 01:58:49.800]  We'll be right back.
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