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[03:23.480 --> 03:42.660]  We're on the air.
[03:42.660 --> 03:48.340]  Yes, we're on air.
[03:48.340 --> 03:49.840]  Wait a minute.
[03:49.840 --> 03:57.920]  head on the air now everybody knows what you tell Chris every friday night yeah but my
[03:57.920 --> 04:01.360]  favorite thing to say every time we come on the air i say beep us bubba
[04:03.440 --> 04:09.600]  but i've been picking on Chris and i was saying beam us butt head and we'd come on the air we'd
[04:09.600 --> 04:14.400]  be chuckling and we'd tell everybody that we were just having too much fun on the break and
[04:14.400 --> 04:23.760]  generally that's why we were chuckling and tonight randy missed the beep so it's all out
[04:23.760 --> 04:26.000]  there i was waiting for you to queue in
[04:28.640 --> 04:36.400]  okay this will be an archive to remember oh don't tell devor about this i'll never hear you do
[04:36.400 --> 04:47.920]  it okay dale in florida yes sir dale are you there you didn't just you didn't just hear all
[04:47.920 --> 04:57.200]  that really did you dale uh i can't i won't say okay okay okay you didn't hear me say
[04:57.200 --> 05:09.440]  beam us but head on the air did you yeah i didn't i didn't hear you call them okay busted it is out
[05:09.440 --> 05:17.200]  of the box okay and we kind of lost you last night dale we came back to you but you were
[05:17.200 --> 05:20.800]  apparently talking to those other people and i couldn't get your attention that's why we moved
[05:20.800 --> 05:31.600]  you did we dropped you like a hot rock sure did okay where are we what questions or comments you
[05:31.600 --> 05:40.160]  have for us tonight well i uh really excited about the uh we were talking about bringing the uh
[05:41.200 --> 05:47.040]  the uh the bank to the table for a 30 percent on or 30 cents on the dollar
[05:47.040 --> 05:55.600]  um suing them and i wanted to know if there was a list of i'm fixing to go get all the the documents
[05:55.600 --> 06:04.960]  out of the the uh the uh the court and uh the county record okay yeah okay good that was going
[06:04.960 --> 06:12.800]  to say we have especially florida florida is a uh mortgage i mean mortgage state it's a so
[06:12.800 --> 06:19.680]  it's a so when you say court it's going to be yeah there's going to be two you're going to have
[06:19.680 --> 06:27.280]  the and and this is not for you dale you already know this you have the county recorder's office
[06:28.080 --> 06:35.040]  and that's where all documents pertaining to a claim against real property is filed
[06:36.000 --> 06:39.920]  and then you have generally in florida will be the district court
[06:39.920 --> 06:48.960]  that's how it is in texas as well uh you have in texas we have the jp county district and
[06:50.240 --> 06:57.840]  the county court will handle the county registrar's office so the real property records in the
[06:57.840 --> 07:03.840]  district court is the one where you adjudicate the case so we have records in both and when i look
[07:03.840 --> 07:10.080]  and when i look at someone's issue i do an evaluation all these documents i really need to see both of
[07:10.080 --> 07:23.120]  those for the foreclosure part i need to see what amounts to res judicata what has already been
[07:23.120 --> 07:32.960]  adjudicated because once you go into court and you take i'm sorry res judicata and collateral
[07:32.960 --> 07:40.160]  estoppel res judicata is is when you go into court and you bring an issue and you get ruled against
[07:41.840 --> 07:53.440]  you can't really get that issue if you come into court and state facts or state a position
[07:53.440 --> 08:01.760]  you cannot subsequently come into court and take a different position collateral estoppel
[08:01.760 --> 08:12.400]  deutsch bank sued by chase went to court and said this group of loans for which chase bank sued us
[08:12.400 --> 08:20.240]  we have no interest in at the same time they were foreclosing on this woman we were working with
[08:20.240 --> 08:27.680]  this woman we were working with for one of the notes included in that group so she went to the
[08:27.680 --> 08:35.520]  court and made the claim under collateral estoppel they made the claim in one court they didn't have
[08:36.480 --> 08:43.520]  interest in this note they cannot subsequently come to another court and say they do even if
[08:43.520 --> 08:50.000]  they actually do the collateral has stopped from claiming it that makes sense dale
[08:52.480 --> 08:59.920]  uh i understand what you're saying okay just so this is why we need to see all of it
[08:59.920 --> 09:07.680]  so i interrupted that was really for general information okay go ahead okay i specialize
[09:07.680 --> 09:17.280]  in interrupting my guests okay baton plagiarism i've got to go to the to the district court
[09:19.040 --> 09:27.760]  and the county recorder's office yes okay the district district clerk will have everything
[09:27.760 --> 09:32.560]  that's filed in the record when you go to the district clerk first thing you ask them for is a
[09:32.560 --> 09:39.200]  docket sheet for every case they should have it's generally the front page is the docket
[09:39.840 --> 09:43.920]  and every time something is filed in the case they log in on the docket
[09:45.200 --> 09:53.840]  so you can go down and look at it now if there's a filing in there where somebody's asking for a
[09:53.840 --> 10:00.720]  continuance in the court granted continuance you know this kind of administrative stuff like that
[10:00.720 --> 10:06.080]  that doesn't go to the issues you normally don't need to to get all of that we don't care about
[10:06.080 --> 10:13.360]  that we only care about what goes to the issues so when you're pulling documents unless something's
[10:13.360 --> 10:19.840]  relevant if it's just administrative stuff that doesn't go to any issues you don't need it but
[10:19.840 --> 10:26.800]  you always need the docket so that you know everything that's been filed because something
[10:26.800 --> 10:33.680]  you think is not relevant a because of what you find in there turned out to be but you know this
[10:33.680 --> 10:40.800]  can get kind of expensive if you don't already have all of these if you were a litigant you
[10:40.800 --> 10:46.480]  should have all these documents already or the lawyer should have all the documents shouldn't he
[10:47.600 --> 10:53.920]  yes and you want to take all the documents that you have and compare them to what's actually there
[10:53.920 --> 11:01.360]  where documents sometimes have a way of disappearing especially if they turn out to be
[11:02.480 --> 11:06.400]  damaging to the other side some of them can even change
[11:09.360 --> 11:14.400]  they have a magical way of doing that so sometimes we need to do comparisons
[11:14.400 --> 11:24.240]  it's but that's generally not an issue but anyway we need to get those documents first
[11:24.240 --> 11:29.920]  and you know people call in here and they say well what can i do and it kind of frustrates me
[11:29.920 --> 11:36.000]  that i can't just whip out this one and say oh you can do this you can do that you can
[11:36.000 --> 11:42.080]  the other i can do that and there are a lot of people out there who do that kind of thing but
[11:42.080 --> 11:51.520]  it's not ethical i'm i know a lot of things you can do but i don't know if it would be appropriate
[11:51.520 --> 12:01.200]  in your particular case the only way to really determine what to do is first let's get a good
[12:01.200 --> 12:08.400]  look at the case what have you got going for you what issues have you got and i'm working with
[12:08.400 --> 12:16.480]  someone right now we're building a tool that a questionnaire i spent a lot of work on it already
[12:16.480 --> 12:23.200]  well you just go in and go down the questionnaire and it'll ask you for stuff it'll ask you is there
[12:23.200 --> 12:29.680]  a a security instrument filed in the record if you say yes then it'll ask you a bunch of questions
[12:29.680 --> 12:34.160]  about the security history then it'll ask you if there's an assignment of substitute trustee
[12:34.160 --> 12:40.400]  if you say yes in a that's in a non-foreclosure state if if you say yes then it'll start asking
[12:40.400 --> 12:46.400]  you questions about that document and then it'll ask you if there's another one so we walk through
[12:46.400 --> 12:54.960]  all of the documents in there and all the salient points uh when you think about looking through
[12:54.960 --> 13:01.520]  these documents in the and i say read the document it's not as daunting as it appears
[13:01.520 --> 13:08.720]  and we'll use this to save you a lot of time because the deed of trust if anime freddy mack
[13:08.720 --> 13:16.240]  uniform is too much generally about 15 pages but all we need to look at are about the first four
[13:16.240 --> 13:26.640]  definitions uh the the transfer of the property paragraph and the paragraph together with paragraph
[13:26.640 --> 13:34.720]  together with paragraph right under that and then covenant 14 15 16 that's generally what it is
[13:34.720 --> 13:42.720]  sometimes they the numbers move up or down one and then covenant 20 that's really the bulk of what
[13:42.720 --> 13:49.520]  you need to look at in the deed of trust and look at the the affirmation where it's signed in the
[13:49.520 --> 13:57.200]  notary and then we go to all of the other documents filed in the record or generally one or two pages
[13:58.880 --> 14:05.120]  a appointment of substitute trustee a assignment of the deed of trust that's only one or two pages
[14:05.760 --> 14:12.880]  there's not as as much reading as you would think but anybody can do this
[14:14.400 --> 14:19.200]  for the most part okay we have a lot of special knowledge and things to look for
[14:19.200 --> 14:25.600]  but one of the first things to look for is just look at these documents and see what they say
[14:25.600 --> 14:33.920]  let me give you an example i got one out of the here in texas the loan was granted by
[14:35.040 --> 14:44.800]  uh southern star lending in 2005 in 2007 southern star lending died
[14:44.800 --> 14:50.640]  right there's the door now went out of business southern star lending as a person ceased to exist
[14:51.600 --> 15:04.880]  in 2009 deutsch bank granted a uh loan modification 2012 murrs transferred the
[15:04.880 --> 15:16.560]  the security instrument to deutsch bank in 2013 l keller mackey filed a a substitute trustee's
[15:16.560 --> 15:26.960]  deed in the court record the deed of trust named somebody as the trustee know who are in the record
[15:26.960 --> 15:35.200]  is anything filed that appoints l keller mackey as the trustee this is pretty straightforward
[15:38.560 --> 15:47.760]  southern star lending issued the note and the borrower granted privileges to southern star
[15:47.760 --> 15:55.200]  lending well southern star lending never transferred that claim to anybody else
[15:55.200 --> 16:07.600]  and then they died so murrs comes along about seven years later and acts as an agent for
[16:07.600 --> 16:16.480]  southern star lending well you can't be an agent for a dead guy so look at the dates look at who
[16:16.480 --> 16:26.320]  look at who did what deutsch bank granted a loan modification well who are they how do they have
[16:26.320 --> 16:36.560]  anything to do with this in the county recorder's office the only document the only people who can
[16:36.560 --> 16:45.040]  have a claim against the property are those who are named in the county registrar's office so
[16:45.040 --> 16:50.160]  just get the documents and read through them and see how they all fit together first thing that you
[16:50.160 --> 16:56.720]  do hang on on dale we'll be right back on the other side randy kelton steve skidmore call it
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[19:12.480 --> 19:18.320]  well don't let nothing get to you only the father can deliver you so don't let bad
[19:18.320 --> 19:28.240]  mind people hurt you and tell satan get behind you know what i mean my friend knowledge of children
[19:48.320 --> 19:52.240]  is
[19:55.360 --> 19:57.600]  he's everything to me that's why i call him
[19:59.200 --> 20:03.440]  and me pray to him because he's the only one could answer in
[20:04.240 --> 20:08.640]  being a business what we can man say in mankind you know is this
[20:08.640 --> 20:31.040]  leading okay we are back and that was a rather interesting break it seems that deborah came up
[20:31.040 --> 20:40.800]  came showed up and uh i got told on about the the beamers thing anyway told on yourself
[20:41.600 --> 20:45.040]  yes i did i couldn't help it you told on yourself
[20:47.120 --> 20:56.160]  okay dale we are back and where were we how far down the road is this uh program or is there a
[20:56.160 --> 21:04.800]  uh some okay we want this the way this the deal making the deal with the banks uh i'll tell you
[21:04.800 --> 21:13.440]  a little story uh the the the case i told you about we filed a trespass to try title
[21:14.320 --> 21:20.880]  that's similar to quiet title but it's a special filing in texas it's just a little bit different
[21:20.880 --> 21:28.160]  the trespass to try title merely goes to who has the best title the best claim to title
[21:28.160 --> 21:33.200]  and there's no attorney fees and you can't ask for any damages or anything
[21:34.800 --> 21:42.880]  so it's a relatively simple suit so we filed this suit and what filing the suit did was got us to
[21:42.880 --> 21:53.520]  the right people to talk to so i get this law lawyer in houston and if you're pro se they always
[21:53.520 --> 21:59.600]  give the youngest lawyer in the place the pro se litigant because they figure they're the easiest
[21:59.600 --> 22:06.880]  to have and on a good practice form so i talked to this lawyer and and tell her what i want to do
[22:06.880 --> 22:13.200]  what i want to do and you know this will save you attorney fees and all that she said we already
[22:13.200 --> 22:20.080]  costed us 30 fees you sued us i said oh that ah don't even worry about that if if we can get an
[22:20.080 --> 22:27.120]  agreement to agree i'll just non-suit that thing uh we didn't care about how to start with uh we
[22:27.120 --> 22:35.200]  just filed that one just kind of as a stop gap she said she said well that's not really appropriate
[22:35.200 --> 22:40.400]  i said wow yeah we're we're pro se we can do this stuff you're you're a lawyer and you got that bar
[22:40.400 --> 22:47.760]  card you can't do that kind of thing but we can and she said uh oh you can oh yeah i can do that
[22:47.760 --> 22:56.720]  all day i got so many things i can file you won't believe it she said i bet you do but but when i
[22:56.720 --> 23:06.400]  told her i would non-suit she jumped right on that and i thought about it later you got a young
[23:06.400 --> 23:12.320]  lawyer here who's just starting out and they get this trespass to try to sidle so it's a pro se
[23:12.320 --> 23:20.320]  so they give it to her and she goes to her boss and said i called the ploy i talked to the plaintiff
[23:20.320 --> 23:29.680]  and got the plaintiff to agree to non-suit like you just see this lawyer look at her and say how
[23:29.680 --> 23:42.080]  did you do that so this gives the lawyer kind of a feather and we're going to save the bank a lot of
[23:42.080 --> 23:53.440]  money we just use the suit to get their attention and i had uh uh johnny enigma he's a regular
[23:53.440 --> 24:00.960]  listener he was in a foreclosure shoot he got a whole bunch of discovery and in the discovery
[24:00.960 --> 24:08.240]  they had accidentally left in a bill to the to their client for a hearing he said was a minor
[24:08.240 --> 24:13.200]  little hearing the document they filed was just kind of a fill in the blanks technical little
[24:13.200 --> 24:19.760]  thing took about 10 minutes they charge their client nine thousand dollars for that hearing
[24:19.760 --> 24:26.400]  lord we're in the wrong business yeah it's the amounts they're charging are astronomical so
[24:26.400 --> 24:33.600]  think about it dale you know they're saying that an uncontested foreclosure on the average costs
[24:33.600 --> 24:43.840]  60 grand there's a lot of spread here if if you got a half a million dollar note
[24:45.520 --> 24:52.960]  and you shake a you know we're filing a trespass to try title in florida we would file a quiet title
[24:52.960 --> 25:01.600]  action and we would focus that we file quiet title on the deed of trust or on the
[25:01.600 --> 25:07.760]  in this case on the mortgage document on the security instrument and we claim this problem
[25:07.760 --> 25:13.520]  this problem this problem this problem this whole bunch of problems and then we call them
[25:13.520 --> 25:19.920]  and say let's make a deal and they complain about that don't worry about all that crap in there
[25:19.920 --> 25:29.760]  just that we'll not suit we put in enough stuff in there that it will cost them cost the question
[25:29.760 --> 25:36.480]  cost the client more than the value of the property to brief out our claims
[25:38.160 --> 25:42.480]  at the kind of money these lawyers are charging these folks that won't take long at all
[25:44.800 --> 25:51.840]  and then we go in say you know i'll not do this not a problem and just make me a deal
[25:51.840 --> 25:59.120]  that i can't pass up you ask them for 30 cents on the dollar they're going to come back with some
[25:59.120 --> 26:07.360]  ridiculously idiot claim and you say nah we're not going to do that you give them a counter offer
[26:08.960 --> 26:19.120]  maybe go up to 40 maybe 50 tell me dale if you could get the lender to rescind a foreclosure
[26:19.120 --> 26:25.840]  if a foreclosure or if a foreclosure hasn't occurred to remove all marks on your credit
[26:25.840 --> 26:36.480]  and sell you the note and for 50% of its original value so that your credit is fixed and you can
[26:36.480 --> 26:43.360]  go back and refinance at the current rate which is like four and a quarter for 54.5% interest
[26:43.360 --> 26:50.560]  as opposed to six seven or eight cut your payments in half would you consider that a win
[26:50.560 --> 26:56.960]  well i'd probably consider maybe making my first ball for 15 and and hope that it'll go up to 30
[26:59.920 --> 27:10.400]  well you have to decide what is the win if you don't what for you would be an equitable outcome
[27:10.400 --> 27:18.800]  when when i take on someone to help them that's the first question i want to ask what do you
[27:18.800 --> 27:26.880]  want what do you want now if you say i want the whole property free and clear you're going to go
[27:26.880 --> 27:36.400]  somewhere else i don't see it happening right and i tell you our big problem here is getting some
[27:36.400 --> 27:43.120]  time on this because i think that we could make a good uh offer not too far down the road but we
[27:43.120 --> 27:51.520]  just want to stop some of the action happening well this is if you make the offer then you can
[27:51.520 --> 27:57.600]  ask them to abate all proceedings while we're negotiating you know what this does for you
[27:58.480 --> 28:04.400]  is if you do have to continue with the suit then you go to the court like i did today
[28:05.760 --> 28:08.880]  i said your honor you know i apologize for having to bring this to you
[28:08.880 --> 28:18.880]  but i tried to come to an agreement with the lawyer here but she really had an attitude and
[28:19.760 --> 28:27.600]  would not take my offer to her client she just refused so now we have to come in here and do
[28:27.600 --> 28:36.720]  this fight the court in the real world we live in the judges would rather be playing golf on
[28:36.720 --> 28:40.720]  golf on friday evenings rather than sitting in the courtroom
[28:43.200 --> 28:48.880]  and with all of this foreclosure mess the courts are getting absolutely swamped and they are not
[28:48.880 --> 28:56.640]  happy about it we actually have a client the first one that i've seen where the court ordered
[28:56.640 --> 29:06.480]  mediation told them you guys get together and see if you can find a deal that you can make to get
[29:06.480 --> 29:15.840]  this out of my court now you're going in as a pro se and the politics is against you
[29:18.000 --> 29:24.240]  until you go to the judge and say your honor i tried to make a deal with these people but they
[29:24.240 --> 29:31.280]  just would not deal so i'm gonna have to come back and adjudicate the case the judge is gonna be
[29:31.280 --> 29:39.200]  annoyed and that will begin to move the politics in your direction instead of their direction
[29:39.200 --> 29:44.880]  you get the judge go into these guys and say look i don't have time for this get these guys out of
[29:44.880 --> 29:50.160]  my court or i'm gonna kick your behind that's how it works in the world we live in this is
[29:50.160 --> 30:01.680]  randy kelton deborah stevens with our radio we'll be right back
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[33:27.440 --> 33:32.160]  so
[33:32.160 --> 33:46.880]  um
[33:46.880 --> 33:48.880]  Over my eyes
[33:50.880 --> 33:52.880]  I simply must refuse
[33:52.880 --> 33:56.880]  Your news also come in lies
[33:57.880 --> 33:59.880]  It seems you like the fed
[34:00.880 --> 34:04.880]  But please take some words to the wise
[34:05.880 --> 34:07.880]  Please stop trying to pull
[34:08.880 --> 34:09.380]  Oh yeah!
[34:09.380 --> 34:09.880]  No!
[34:09.880 --> 34:10.880]  Oh no!
[34:10.880 --> 34:12.880]  They've got it all mixed up
[34:13.880 --> 34:14.880]  No they don't
[34:14.880 --> 34:16.880]  Oh this is terrible!
[34:16.880 --> 34:20.880]  I'm supposed to say to the producer
[34:20.880 --> 34:22.880]  Beam us butt-head
[34:22.880 --> 34:26.880]  Now they've changed it in to beam the butt-head back on the air
[34:28.880 --> 34:31.880]  That was an executive decision
[34:32.880 --> 34:33.880]  Yeah
[34:33.880 --> 34:35.880]  You just got a raise Randy
[34:37.880 --> 34:39.880]  Okay Dale
[34:39.880 --> 34:41.880]  Where were we?
[34:42.880 --> 34:43.880]  Oh boy
[34:43.880 --> 34:46.880]  A few folks could hear half the stuff that goes on over the breaks
[34:48.880 --> 34:50.880]  We're having far too much fun
[34:50.880 --> 34:51.880]  Dale
[34:52.880 --> 34:56.880]  We've kind of run all over the place
[34:58.880 --> 35:00.880]  We were talking about the deal
[35:00.880 --> 35:05.880]  Is there a question you have or a comment you want to make about the deal?
[35:06.880 --> 35:08.880]  Well I think at this point
[35:08.880 --> 35:14.880]  What I need to do is go gather some of the information
[35:14.880 --> 35:18.880]  And go look at maybe a couple of documents
[35:18.880 --> 35:21.880]  And then plan out my strategy
[35:21.880 --> 35:25.880]  And possibly call you back and see if I'm on the right track
[35:26.880 --> 35:28.880]  That is a perfect answer
[35:29.880 --> 35:33.880]  And my apologies I asked you the wrong question
[35:33.880 --> 35:39.880]  Sometimes when you ask someone a question in order to answer the question
[35:39.880 --> 35:41.880]  They have to decide something in their mind
[35:41.880 --> 35:47.880]  And I didn't want to push you to make a decision on what you're going to do
[35:47.880 --> 35:49.880]  By the question that I asked
[35:49.880 --> 35:51.880]  So your answer was perfect
[35:51.880 --> 35:54.880]  Yeah before we decide on anything
[35:54.880 --> 35:56.880]  We look at what we got
[35:56.880 --> 36:05.880]  And I didn't want to create a lot of dead air on the air by thinking about the question too long
[36:05.880 --> 36:10.880]  I really liked what you said about holding your thoughts
[36:10.880 --> 36:15.880]  And not responding to the judge as quick as I expected
[36:15.880 --> 36:18.880]  That works real good but not when you're on the radio
[36:18.880 --> 36:19.880]  Right
[36:19.880 --> 36:23.880]  Okay and one thing I'm concerned about
[36:23.880 --> 36:26.880]  How long have you been in this fight Dale?
[36:28.880 --> 36:31.880]  This has been going on for a couple of years now
[36:31.880 --> 36:35.880]  Keep in mind that the fight is really a couple
[36:35.880 --> 36:38.880]  It's a friends of mine, an elderly couple
[36:38.880 --> 36:43.880]  And I've kind of come in to help them out because they're personal friends
[36:43.880 --> 36:47.880]  Okay you're in a fight of your own right?
[36:47.880 --> 36:48.880]  Right
[36:49.880 --> 36:52.880]  Okay here's my concern
[36:52.880 --> 36:55.880]  We get into these fights
[36:55.880 --> 37:00.880]  And the courts are absolutely ruthless
[37:00.880 --> 37:04.880]  They rule against you out of hand at every turn
[37:04.880 --> 37:08.880]  And when you're doing this and you have a dog in the hunt
[37:08.880 --> 37:11.880]  It's tough, it's difficult
[37:11.880 --> 37:14.880]  You have strong emotional reactions to what they do
[37:14.880 --> 37:17.880]  And if you're not careful
[37:17.880 --> 37:23.880]  It stops being about an outcome and starts being about the fight
[37:24.880 --> 37:30.880]  Always make sure you have an outcome
[37:30.880 --> 37:37.880]  And you really don't have an outcome unless you've written it down
[37:37.880 --> 37:40.880]  Write down what would be a win
[37:40.880 --> 37:43.880]  Ask this couple for you
[37:43.880 --> 37:52.880]  What would be a reasonable end result?
[37:53.880 --> 38:02.880]  What is the least that you could accept as a reasonable outcome?
[38:03.880 --> 38:06.880]  Now you have something to look toward
[38:06.880 --> 38:09.880]  You want to get better than the least
[38:09.880 --> 38:14.880]  But you really want to know where to draw the line
[38:14.880 --> 38:17.880]  And when you get to that line, now you've won
[38:17.880 --> 38:21.880]  Now if it's not done, if you can do better, wonderful
[38:21.880 --> 38:23.880]  But if you can't do better
[38:23.880 --> 38:27.880]  Does it make any difference how PO'd I am at them?
[38:27.880 --> 38:32.880]  Does it make any difference how bad they make me feel?
[38:32.880 --> 38:37.880]  Makes no difference whether or not I can punish them
[38:37.880 --> 38:43.880]  That is, punishing the other side is not a viable outcome
[38:43.880 --> 38:46.880]  Write down your outcome
[38:46.880 --> 38:52.880]  And if at any point in the process
[38:52.880 --> 38:57.880]  If you consider taking an action, always ask yourself
[38:57.880 --> 39:04.880]  Will this next action lead me toward my outcome?
[39:04.880 --> 39:09.880]  If it won't lead me toward my outcome, don't do it
[39:09.880 --> 39:11.880]  No matter how much you want to
[39:11.880 --> 39:19.880]  I have had times where I really wanted to read a judge the riot act
[39:19.880 --> 39:25.880]  And let that guy know how the cow ate the cabbage
[39:25.880 --> 39:29.880]  But it would not lead me toward my outcome
[39:29.880 --> 39:36.880]  So I could not do it. I had to shut my mouth and bite my tongue
[39:36.880 --> 39:40.880]  Everybody who is in one of these issues
[39:40.880 --> 39:44.880]  You have to have an outcome
[39:44.880 --> 39:46.880]  Write it down
[39:46.880 --> 39:49.880]  That is your protection
[39:49.880 --> 39:53.880]  Quick story, a woman in Pennsylvania
[39:53.880 --> 39:57.880]  She helped people with IRS issues
[39:57.880 --> 39:59.880]  She helped a personal friend
[39:59.880 --> 40:01.880]  They referred her to the next door neighbor
[40:01.880 --> 40:03.880]  Went to the next door neighbor
[40:03.880 --> 40:07.880]  They had two IRS leads against their property
[40:07.880 --> 40:09.880]  And they wanted to get rid of the leads
[40:09.880 --> 40:11.880]  So I handed them to her
[40:11.880 --> 40:12.880]  She read them over
[40:12.880 --> 40:13.880]  You want to get rid of these?
[40:13.880 --> 40:14.880]  They said yes
[40:14.880 --> 40:15.880]  She tore them up, threw them in the trash
[40:15.880 --> 40:17.880]  They're gone
[40:17.880 --> 40:19.880]  And they were flabbergasted
[40:19.880 --> 40:24.880]  She said, guys, these things expired two years ago
[40:24.880 --> 40:27.880]  And the IRS didn't renew them
[40:27.880 --> 40:28.880]  So they're gone
[40:28.880 --> 40:30.880]  So what did these people do?
[40:30.880 --> 40:34.880]  They write a scathing letter to the IRS
[40:34.880 --> 40:39.880]  The IRS renewed the liens
[40:39.880 --> 40:42.880]  You've got to know when you've won
[40:42.880 --> 40:44.880]  And if you don't have it written down
[40:44.880 --> 40:48.880]  You get caught up in the fight
[40:48.880 --> 40:51.880]  You're kicking and gouging and they're punching and bruising
[40:51.880 --> 40:56.880]  And you lose sight of the prize
[40:56.880 --> 41:00.880]  Write it down
[41:00.880 --> 41:01.880]  Write it down
[41:01.880 --> 41:12.880]  Have these two people write down what for them would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome
[41:12.880 --> 41:18.880]  You would be amazed at how much that protects you
[41:18.880 --> 41:21.880]  I will certainly do that
[41:21.880 --> 41:25.880]  And I really appreciate your advice
[41:25.880 --> 41:27.880]  And, of course, your support there
[41:27.880 --> 41:34.880]  And I'm going to get on this and see what we can do and how far we can go
[41:34.880 --> 41:37.880]  And then I'll touch base back with you
[41:37.880 --> 41:40.880]  OK, thank you, Dale
[41:40.880 --> 41:41.880]  Thank you
[41:41.880 --> 41:46.880]  Keep us up to speed and don't be a stranger
[41:46.880 --> 41:48.880]  Right, will do, thank you
[41:48.880 --> 41:52.880]  OK, now we're going to go to George in Texas
[41:52.880 --> 41:54.880]  Hello, George
[41:54.880 --> 41:56.880]  How are you doing, Randy?
[41:56.880 --> 41:58.880]  Can you hear me?
[41:58.880 --> 41:59.880]  I can hear you
[41:59.880 --> 42:00.880]  Hello?
[42:00.880 --> 42:06.880]  Yeah, Randy, I know switching gears is going into a different subject
[42:06.880 --> 42:09.880]  But I just noticed there's a dangerous trend going on
[42:09.880 --> 42:14.880]  And I kind of noticed when I was listening to a story out of Houston
[42:14.880 --> 42:21.880]  I would say a 10-year-old accused of sexual assault on a younger child
[42:21.880 --> 42:29.880]  And the most disturbing thing was, and I kind of noticed it, is that when the police investigators interrogate a child
[42:29.880 --> 42:34.880]  They do not allow the parents to at least sit in
[42:34.880 --> 42:37.880]  And this is something that's very disturbing
[42:37.880 --> 42:39.880]  I just came last week and came out of this
[42:39.880 --> 42:47.880]  OK, wait a minute, when they do that they always have an ad litem
[42:47.880 --> 42:52.880]  They always have a representative for the child there
[42:52.880 --> 42:56.880]  You can't have the parents there
[42:56.880 --> 43:08.880]  The very thing I was talking to Dale about is way, way too much emotional involvement
[43:08.880 --> 43:15.880]  If you have the parents there, they're going to be going ballistic
[43:15.880 --> 43:19.880]  So I understand why they wouldn't want the parents there
[43:19.880 --> 43:26.880]  But they always have an ad litem of some type there specifically to represent the child
[43:26.880 --> 43:34.880]  My son got into a fight last week in school standing up to the school bully in the yard
[43:34.880 --> 43:40.880]  And I just told the school police my son is not talking
[43:40.880 --> 43:44.880]  OK, wait a minute, hold on, hold on
[43:44.880 --> 43:48.880]  We're about to go to break, but you're kind of breaking up there a little bit
[43:48.880 --> 43:50.880]  Hang on, we'll pick this up on the other side
[43:50.880 --> 43:55.880]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Deborah Stevens with our radio
[43:55.880 --> 44:05.880]  We'll be right back
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[46:21.880 --> 46:29.880]  Always, I must be careful, what I'm wishing for
[46:29.880 --> 46:34.880]  When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for
[46:34.880 --> 46:40.880]  I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton
[46:40.880 --> 46:46.880]  I'm just here making my living, pushing buttons
[46:46.880 --> 46:54.880]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kalten, Dema Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, here with Steve Skidmore
[46:54.880 --> 47:03.880]  And we're talking to George in Texas, and your son got in a fight with a school yard bully
[47:03.880 --> 47:07.880]  Yes, and my son was...
[47:07.880 --> 47:09.880]  What did they do?
[47:09.880 --> 47:17.880]  Well, he was detained by the school district police, and I always told my son, never talk to the police
[47:17.880 --> 47:23.880]  I just told him, silence is gold and don't talk to the police from when I went up to the school
[47:23.880 --> 47:31.880]  And they said my son was not cooperating, I just said, well, I told my son until we talked to a lawyer
[47:31.880 --> 47:36.880]  He's not saying nothing, and they let me out of the door
[47:36.880 --> 47:42.880]  They couldn't do nothing on that, but I always told my son, never talk to the police
[47:42.880 --> 47:50.880]  Okay, hold on, I am concerned here
[47:50.880 --> 47:57.880]  You know, we pick on the police a lot, but I know a number of police officers
[47:57.880 --> 48:03.880]  And I don't know a single one who thinks of himself as a jack-booted thug
[48:03.880 --> 48:07.880]  Especially when it comes to children
[48:07.880 --> 48:14.880]  And the schools, I wouldn't want to be in their position, that's difficult
[48:14.880 --> 48:21.880]  If your son got in a fight with a school yard bully and worked him over
[48:21.880 --> 48:31.880]  Your son should expect retribution from the school and should embrace it
[48:31.880 --> 48:35.880]  That will make him a hero
[48:35.880 --> 48:42.880]  I'm going to say to you, unless they're doing something horribly outrageous to your son
[48:42.880 --> 48:47.880]  Give these guys a little credit, I'm going to tell a little story here
[48:47.880 --> 48:53.880]  To kind of illustrate, I have a friend who had a ten-year-old daughter
[48:53.880 --> 48:59.880]  That another child, who was kind of a bully in the school
[48:59.880 --> 49:07.880]  Went around telling everybody that this ten-year-old was doing sexual things to him
[49:07.880 --> 49:13.880]  That was absolutely not in the purview of ten-year-olds
[49:13.880 --> 49:16.880]  It was a holy crap
[49:16.880 --> 49:21.880]  And this got to the principal, the principal called the girl in
[49:21.880 --> 49:25.880]  And a male friend of hers, who had heard the story
[49:25.880 --> 49:31.880]  And he recorded their statements, and Hal was just outraged
[49:31.880 --> 49:34.880]  That he had recorded their statements
[49:34.880 --> 49:38.880]  And I said, Hal, what would you do if you were the principal
[49:38.880 --> 49:42.880]  And you hear this outrageous story
[49:42.880 --> 49:46.880]  Clearly these children are repeating trash
[49:46.880 --> 49:52.880]  This kid is repeating trash, he heard from his parents because he's a ten-year-old
[49:52.880 --> 49:57.880]  He's too young to understand anything this sexually sophisticated
[49:57.880 --> 50:00.880]  So if you're the principal, what are you going to do
[50:00.880 --> 50:06.880]  I said, if I was the principal, I'd take a recorded statement, give it to the school board
[50:06.880 --> 50:10.880]  And say, guys, handle this, I don't want to touch it
[50:10.880 --> 50:13.880]  And that's exactly what they did
[50:13.880 --> 50:18.880]  And then he was insisting they do something about it
[50:18.880 --> 50:22.880]  And he was concerned because they called in the sheriff's department
[50:22.880 --> 50:27.880]  And I told him, you know, these are grown-ups
[50:27.880 --> 50:30.880]  These are grown-ups dealing with children
[50:30.880 --> 50:37.880]  You might give them a little latitude, they kind of know what they're doing
[50:37.880 --> 50:42.880]  And what happened was, is they called in this
[50:42.880 --> 50:49.880]  They had a woman with the sheriff's department that handled problems with the school
[50:49.880 --> 50:57.880]  She went in, walked into the classroom
[50:57.880 --> 51:02.880]  Jerked this kid out of his chair, put cuffs on him
[51:02.880 --> 51:05.880]  And they just made this incredibly big production
[51:05.880 --> 51:10.880]  And pulled him out of the room, they took him across the hall, they read him the riot act
[51:10.880 --> 51:16.880]  They took the cuffs off of him and sent him back to the room
[51:16.880 --> 51:21.880]  It was handled, the problem went away
[51:21.880 --> 51:27.880]  And, you know, Hal come back later and he said, you were right, these guys knew what they were doing
[51:27.880 --> 51:32.880]  And, you know, we would say they're violating their rights, they're being bullies and all that
[51:32.880 --> 51:38.880]  They weren't, these guys, these were grown-ups, these were dealing with 10-year-olds
[51:38.880 --> 51:41.880]  And they weren't trying to abuse the 10-year-olds
[51:41.880 --> 51:51.880]  This was a very, very serious situation and they handled it absolutely elegantly
[51:51.880 --> 51:56.880]  Before you get too upset at the school
[51:56.880 --> 52:00.880]  I have had issues with the school, I've really worked them over
[52:00.880 --> 52:07.880]  I only asked the sheriff's department to arrest the school board once
[52:07.880 --> 52:10.880]  That's all?
[52:10.880 --> 52:12.880]  Yeah, only once
[52:12.880 --> 52:18.880]  While they were in executive session, I called the sheriff's department and asked them to come out and arrest the school board
[52:18.880 --> 52:22.880]  And the president of the school board was a captain on the sheriff's department
[52:22.880 --> 52:24.880]  Oh God
[52:24.880 --> 52:32.880]  But with that said, dealing with these children is difficult
[52:32.880 --> 52:37.880]  And if your son got in a fight with the schoolyard bully
[52:37.880 --> 52:45.880]  You should step back and let your son take, let the school handle this
[52:45.880 --> 52:49.880]  He needs to have some retribution come back at him
[52:49.880 --> 52:52.880]  That'll make him a hero
[52:52.880 --> 53:01.880]  Well, Randy, he is a hero, he's got more offers for dates from ladies than I had my whole lifetime
[53:01.880 --> 53:06.880]  Okay, well, you need to butt out
[53:06.880 --> 53:10.880]  Don't come in and be the daddy, let him handle it
[53:10.880 --> 53:15.880]  Give him coaching, but don't go down there and interfere
[53:15.880 --> 53:20.880]  I never interfered with my children unless they came to me
[53:20.880 --> 53:24.880]  My daughter came to me and said, Dad, you need to come to the school board meeting
[53:24.880 --> 53:29.880]  Why? I said, well, the Spanish teacher is going to quit
[53:29.880 --> 53:33.880]  Well, so they'll hire another Spanish teacher
[53:33.880 --> 53:39.880]  Well, Dad, if they hire another Spanish teacher, he'll expect me to know first-year Spanish
[53:39.880 --> 53:44.880]  I said, Robin, you make straight A's, she said, I know, Dad
[53:44.880 --> 53:48.880]  But he'll expect me to know first-year Spanish
[53:48.880 --> 53:50.880]  Okay, I'm coming
[53:50.880 --> 53:55.880]  I never went down there unless they asked me to
[53:55.880 --> 54:03.880]  Well, suppose my son encounters the police outside the school
[54:03.880 --> 54:07.880]  And believe me, like I said, I got some police
[54:07.880 --> 54:10.880]  Okay, that's different
[54:10.880 --> 54:21.880]  Because the police they have in the schools, they tend to have police in the schools that are there specifically to deal with children
[54:21.880 --> 54:25.880]  And they're trained and they know how to deal with children
[54:25.880 --> 54:33.880]  When they get outside the schools, they get into a whole different venue
[54:33.880 --> 54:40.880]  So there, I would not be bashful
[54:40.880 --> 54:45.880]  Okay, and I'm sorry, I haven't let you tell your whole issue
[54:45.880 --> 54:49.880]  I've been a little bit presumptuous and I didn't mean to be
[54:49.880 --> 54:52.880]  How old is your son?
[54:52.880 --> 54:55.880]  Thirteen years old
[54:55.880 --> 54:57.880]  Thirteen?
[54:57.880 --> 54:58.880]  Yes
[54:58.880 --> 55:04.880]  You understand that puberty causes brain damage?
[55:04.880 --> 55:08.880]  Oh, he has no vaccines
[55:08.880 --> 55:10.880]  There's no vaccine for this one
[55:10.880 --> 55:11.880]  Good one
[55:11.880 --> 55:18.880]  Thirteen, you really, really need to be careful
[55:18.880 --> 55:25.880]  He's really beginning to come into his own
[55:25.880 --> 55:29.880]  And if he gets in trouble at thirteen
[55:29.880 --> 55:38.880]  All you need to do is stand back and make sure that nobody does anything outrageous
[55:38.880 --> 55:45.880]  But if he does something that brings punishment down on him, back up and let him take
[55:45.880 --> 55:48.880]  Make him a hero
[55:48.880 --> 55:52.880]  If his parents come in, he's going to be PO'd at you
[55:52.880 --> 55:56.880]  But you know, I told him before it is the counter of dealing with bullies
[55:56.880 --> 56:02.880]  I said, son, if you ever had to defend yourself from a bully
[56:02.880 --> 56:05.880]  For your dignity and your self-respect
[56:05.880 --> 56:08.880]  I said, I will back you up
[56:08.880 --> 56:13.880]  But if you go out and you bullcock somebody, that's a different story
[56:13.880 --> 56:18.880]  Perfect
[56:18.880 --> 56:21.880]  And that's how it should be
[56:21.880 --> 56:23.880]  We need to back them up
[56:23.880 --> 56:30.880]  With mine, I was well known in the town I live in to be a real SOB
[56:30.880 --> 56:33.880]  But I never interfered
[56:33.880 --> 56:37.880]  When my children got in trouble, they got in trouble
[56:37.880 --> 56:42.880]  If they needed my help, they would come to me
[56:42.880 --> 56:44.880]  They came to me
[56:44.880 --> 56:46.880]  It had to be a really big deal
[56:46.880 --> 56:51.880]  Because they knew I was going to go through there stomping my feet all the way
[56:51.880 --> 56:54.880]  And for the most part it worked out well
[56:54.880 --> 56:59.880]  But at thirteen, a boy at thirteen
[56:59.880 --> 57:04.880]  He's really beginning to come into his own
[57:04.880 --> 57:11.880]  And is he angry?
[57:11.880 --> 57:13.880]  Well, my son angry?
[57:13.880 --> 57:15.880]  Yeah, is he angry?
[57:15.880 --> 57:17.880]  No
[57:17.880 --> 57:20.880]  Okay, he will be
[57:20.880 --> 57:22.880]  He will be and it's okay
[57:22.880 --> 57:24.880]  He's going to hate you
[57:24.880 --> 57:26.880]  And they're supposed to
[57:26.880 --> 57:28.880]  They go through these stages
[57:28.880 --> 57:30.880]  This is a hard time
[57:30.880 --> 57:39.880]  The single most difficult period of my life was thirteen to seventeen
[57:39.880 --> 57:43.880]  At eighteen, I went in the military and went to Vietnam
[57:43.880 --> 57:48.880]  Really, really bad things happened in Vietnam
[57:48.880 --> 57:53.880]  But that wasn't as bad as thirteen to seventeen
[57:53.880 --> 57:57.880]  Thirteen to seventeen was really, really tough
[57:57.880 --> 58:01.880]  I'll let you get that on the callers, Randy
[58:01.880 --> 58:06.880]  Okay, I hope I haven't sounded too patronizing
[58:06.880 --> 58:08.880]  I didn't mean to
[58:08.880 --> 58:09.880]  You didn't
[58:09.880 --> 58:11.880]  Okay, hang on
[58:11.880 --> 58:12.880]  Go ahead, George
[58:12.880 --> 58:14.880]  Thank you for calling in
[58:14.880 --> 58:16.880]  And we're going to go to
[58:16.880 --> 58:18.880]  Oh, okay, hang on, George
[58:18.880 --> 58:19.880]  Hang on, George
[58:19.880 --> 58:20.880]  Somebody wants to talk to you
[58:20.880 --> 58:21.880]  We'll pick you up on the other side
[58:21.880 --> 58:23.880]  This is Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens
[58:23.880 --> 58:25.880]  Root of Law Radio
[58:25.880 --> 58:26.880]  Our call-in number
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[58:29.880 --> 58:32.880]  It sounds like we may get a whole new subject going
[58:32.880 --> 58:34.880]  So hang on, George
[58:34.880 --> 58:36.880]  I think we lost George
[58:36.880 --> 58:37.880]  Dog on
[58:37.880 --> 58:38.880]  Okay
[58:38.880 --> 58:41.880]  Call back in, George
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[01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:27.880]  I will
[01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.880]  It has left me with the strafe in wisdom
[01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.880]  I will
[01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:40.880]  I will
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[01:03:49.880 --> 01:04:07.360]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, this is Rubio Radio, and I'm afraid we've
[01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:10.160]  got something started.
[01:04:10.160 --> 01:04:19.120]  Okay, looks like we lost Matt, Mike, Mike, you need to call back in, we do want to get
[01:04:19.120 --> 01:04:20.120]  to you.
[01:04:20.120 --> 01:04:24.920]  And I apologize it's so late and you've hung around so long because Mike has some really
[01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:30.400]  good stuff about a no good rotten corrupt judge here in Travis County.
[01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.920]  Right now, I'm going to go to Debra on this child bullying issue.
[01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:35.920]  Debra?
[01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:41.160]  Yeah, normally I'm not on on Friday nights, but I was coming home and I heard this discussion.
[01:04:41.160 --> 01:04:47.680]  I didn't hear how it all started, but basically, you know, having to do with fights and schools
[01:04:47.680 --> 01:04:51.720]  and the bullying and all this and that.
[01:04:51.720 --> 01:04:57.480]  This is something that has been going on for a while recently now that is completely and
[01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:01.560]  totally different than the way it's ever been in schools.
[01:05:01.560 --> 01:05:08.900]  Like when I was growing up, for example, there is a new policy now in schools and it is derived
[01:05:08.900 --> 01:05:13.960]  from the evil roots of collectivism, okay?
[01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:15.740]  And this is what it is.
[01:05:15.740 --> 01:05:21.920]  This is what they teach the schools now because remember all the schools, they are collectivist
[01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:24.040]  churn mills, okay?
[01:05:24.040 --> 01:05:29.840]  They are there to turn out good little cogs in the wheel, okay?
[01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.800]  It is based on the Prussian model.
[01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:39.120]  It has nothing to do with education in reality as far as teaching kids skills and, and, uh,
[01:05:39.120 --> 01:05:42.800]  you know, actual, you know, material like math and science.
[01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:46.120]  I mean, come on, all the stuff they teach all the way up to high school, you could teach
[01:05:46.120 --> 01:05:48.200]  kids that when they're eight years old, okay?
[01:05:48.200 --> 01:05:50.580]  This has nothing to do with any of that.
[01:05:50.580 --> 01:05:53.520]  It has to do with training.
[01:05:53.520 --> 01:05:55.600]  This is on record, okay?
[01:05:55.600 --> 01:05:59.600]  The people that founded our school systems went over to the Europe and they studied the
[01:05:59.600 --> 01:06:05.640]  Prussian model and they have implemented it to a T and furthermore, they have even, uh,
[01:06:05.640 --> 01:06:07.080]  they've advanced on it.
[01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:08.080]  All right.
[01:06:08.080 --> 01:06:12.760]  So here's, I want to lay that groundwork, okay, before, uh, in order to get to the issue
[01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:17.040]  of the policy, okay, that is in place now in our schools.
[01:06:17.040 --> 01:06:20.780]  And many of you know exactly what I'm about to say because you've been listening, hearing
[01:06:20.780 --> 01:06:26.360]  it on Alex Jones and, and many other people are talking about this is horrendous is Mark
[01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:27.360]  Pasio.
[01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.920]  Uh, I just mastered a documentary for him.
[01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:31.640]  He gets into this.
[01:06:31.640 --> 01:06:34.960]  Here's the collectivist policy, okay?
[01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:42.400]  It is this in the schools, it doesn't matter who starts the fight.
[01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:48.520]  The only thing that matters is that if you're in a fight, if you're one of the kids in the
[01:06:48.520 --> 01:06:51.640]  fight, you get punished equally as everyone else.
[01:06:51.640 --> 01:06:52.640]  Now excuse me.
[01:06:52.640 --> 01:06:54.000]  That promotes bully ism.
[01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.000]  All right.
[01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:56.720]  That does not stop it.
[01:06:56.720 --> 01:06:58.240]  That promotes it.
[01:06:58.240 --> 01:06:59.240]  Okay.
[01:06:59.240 --> 01:07:03.660]  Because it teaches the bully that, Hey, it doesn't matter if I start a fight.
[01:07:03.660 --> 01:07:05.960]  It doesn't matter if I'm the one defending myself.
[01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:11.560]  It doesn't matter because if you're in a fight, either way you get punished equally.
[01:07:11.560 --> 01:07:12.660]  Okay.
[01:07:12.660 --> 01:07:18.200]  And it teaches the kids that it, you don't have a right to defend yourself.
[01:07:18.200 --> 01:07:19.200]  Okay.
[01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:21.720]  You just better not be caught in a fight no matter what.
[01:07:21.720 --> 01:07:22.720]  All right.
[01:07:22.720 --> 01:07:27.560]  And so if a bully comes up and punches you in the face, you better not do anything about
[01:07:27.560 --> 01:07:29.000]  it and they start kicking you.
[01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:33.600]  I guess you better just curl up in a fetal position and let them bash your skull in.
[01:07:33.600 --> 01:07:35.080]  I guess that's the message.
[01:07:35.080 --> 01:07:36.680]  Oh, but you know what?
[01:07:36.680 --> 01:07:38.640]  You probably couldn't even do that.
[01:07:38.640 --> 01:07:43.080]  Even if you curl up in a field position, you'd still be accused of being in a fight.
[01:07:43.080 --> 01:07:44.080]  Okay.
[01:07:44.080 --> 01:07:45.360]  So what is the message here?
[01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.320]  What are people supposed to do?
[01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:48.320]  All right.
[01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:50.240]  And if, if I had kids, this is what I would do.
[01:07:50.240 --> 01:07:57.240]  I would teach them how to attempt to reason with people and, and negotiation methods,
[01:07:57.240 --> 01:08:03.160]  uh, you know, to, to try to calm the situation down, how to defuse a situation.
[01:08:03.160 --> 01:08:10.600]  They do this in a hand gun, um, handgun classes at, uh, uh, cap, uh, the, um, I forgot it
[01:08:10.600 --> 01:08:15.880]  was one of our sponsors here in town, uh, uh, central Texas gun works.
[01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:20.920]  When you take handgun classes from them, one of the things they do is they teach you, excuse
[01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.440]  me, let me turn that phone off.
[01:08:23.440 --> 01:08:28.640]  Uh, one of the things they do is they teach you, uh, how to defuse situations to keep
[01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:29.640]  them from escalating.
[01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:30.640]  Okay.
[01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.000]  So that's what I would do to my kids.
[01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:38.400]  First off, uh, if I had kids, I would teach them de-escalation techniques, psychological
[01:08:38.400 --> 01:08:43.720]  techniques of how to de-escalate a situation, uh, if at all possible.
[01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:46.600]  But remember you're dealing with psychopaths here.
[01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:47.600]  Okay.
[01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:51.720]  You're dealing with kids that are raised by children, children raising children.
[01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:52.720]  Okay.
[01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:57.920]  You're dealing with raising psychopaths, uh, authoritarians, raising little authoritarians
[01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.800]  and sometimes de-escalation techniques do not work.
[01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.640]  Even if you have somebody who's very intelligent, a child who's very intelligent, very well
[01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:06.640]  reasoned.
[01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:07.640]  Okay.
[01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:09.360]  Sometimes it doesn't work.
[01:09:09.360 --> 01:09:13.560]  Sometimes the bully is just going to hit the other kid no matter what.
[01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:14.560]  All right.
[01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:21.280]  Well, I'll tell you what, I would never encourage my kid to just stand there or sit there and
[01:09:21.280 --> 01:09:23.540]  let somebody else beat up on him.
[01:09:23.540 --> 01:09:25.920]  We have a right to defend ourselves.
[01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:26.920]  Period.
[01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:27.920]  Okay.
[01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:32.600]  Now I would, I wouldn't want, uh, my kid to start a fight, but remember, uh, if you go
[01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:37.120]  and watch Mark Pasio's latest documentary, it was, it's a three part documentary.
[01:09:37.120 --> 01:09:38.960]  Uh, you, you can go look him up.
[01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:45.040]  Uh, Mark Pasio at the Omni Hotel, uh, a couple of months ago, he's, he's railing about this.
[01:09:45.040 --> 01:09:49.200]  He's like, because this policy, it doesn't matter who started the fight.
[01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:50.200]  Excuse me.
[01:09:50.200 --> 01:09:55.280]  The only thing that matters is who started the fight.
[01:09:55.280 --> 01:09:56.280]  Okay.
[01:09:56.280 --> 01:10:01.720]  This goes to the basic premise of what, of what is right versus what is wrong and that
[01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:07.960]  there is an, um, there is an objective difference between right and wrong.
[01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:08.960]  Okay.
[01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:09.960]  Right.
[01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:10.960]  Isn't what's right for me.
[01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:11.960]  Okay.
[01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:12.960]  Hold on.
[01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:13.960]  Sorry.
[01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:14.960]  Wrong.
[01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.560]  Isn't what's wrong for me.
[01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:22.380]  There is an objective difference between right and wrong.
[01:10:22.380 --> 01:10:27.480]  Reality and truth exists, whether we have a skewed perception of it or not.
[01:10:27.480 --> 01:10:28.480]  Okay.
[01:10:28.480 --> 01:10:31.840]  And here's the fundamental basic difference between right and wrong.
[01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.240]  You don't harm somebody else.
[01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:35.240]  Okay.
[01:10:35.240 --> 01:10:36.880]  If you're acting in self-defense, that's one thing.
[01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:37.880]  All right.
[01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:39.960]  Otherwise you cannot initiate aggression.
[01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:40.960]  All right.
[01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.800]  And every form of wrong boils down to a form of stealing.
[01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:44.800]  All right.
[01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:50.080]  If you lie to somebody, you're stealing their right to have knowledge of the truth in order
[01:10:50.080 --> 01:10:54.480]  to make proper decisions for themselves and their family.
[01:10:54.480 --> 01:11:00.080]  If you assault someone, you are, you are stealing from them, their, their homeostasis, their,
[01:11:00.080 --> 01:11:04.800]  their right to be healthy and, and to, and to not be bruised up and hurt.
[01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:05.800]  Okay.
[01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.280]  Every form of wrong boils down to a form of stealing.
[01:11:08.280 --> 01:11:09.280]  Okay.
[01:11:09.280 --> 01:11:11.800]  And you do not have the right to steal from somebody else.
[01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:13.600]  What does not belong to you?
[01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:14.600]  Okay.
[01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:22.360]  So I'm sorry, but I cannot buy into this BS collectivist crap that it does not matter
[01:11:22.360 --> 01:11:23.700]  who starts a fight.
[01:11:23.700 --> 01:11:26.000]  The only thing that matters is who starts a fight.
[01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:31.120]  And so I understand what you're saying, Randy, about not interfering with the kids unless
[01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:32.440]  they come to you.
[01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:38.080]  But remember when they're children, even if they're 13, 14, they're still formulating
[01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:41.880]  their own sense of morality and what's right versus wrong.
[01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:48.440]  And just what do I have a right to do versus what do I not have a right to do?
[01:11:48.440 --> 01:11:53.640]  And so in these types of situations, I say the parent needs to get to the bottom of it,
[01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:54.640]  okay.
[01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:55.640]  And find out who started the fight.
[01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:56.640]  All right.
[01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:01.480]  And if my kid, and if hopefully if I had raised him properly or her properly and was honest
[01:12:01.480 --> 01:12:05.920]  with me and said, I'm telling you the truth, mom, he started it.
[01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:07.480]  He came up and shoved me.
[01:12:07.480 --> 01:12:12.440]  He came up and cold cock me from behind in that stupid knockout game that the kids like
[01:12:12.440 --> 01:12:13.440]  to play.
[01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:14.440]  Hey, you know what?
[01:12:14.440 --> 01:12:16.760]  I got up and I walloped him.
[01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:20.240]  I would say, you know what, son, you did a good thing.
[01:12:20.240 --> 01:12:21.240]  Good for you.
[01:12:21.240 --> 01:12:23.200]  You stood up for yourself and you defended yourself.
[01:12:23.200 --> 01:12:28.240]  And if the school was trying to come down on my kid for defending himself, let me tell
[01:12:28.240 --> 01:12:32.680]  you what, I'd be going down there and reading the riot act to the school.
[01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:35.720]  And I don't think that my kid would be pissed off about that.
[01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:36.720]  All right.
[01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:40.440]  And if it was the other, you know, but you see, you have to analyze the situation and
[01:12:40.440 --> 01:12:42.320]  take it on a case by case basis.
[01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:47.160]  And if my, if I finally got the truth out of my kid that he started it, that my kids
[01:12:47.160 --> 01:12:48.880]  started, I'd be like, you know what?
[01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:49.880]  You're on your own son.
[01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:53.320]  I ain't helping you because you shouldn't have started the fight.
[01:12:53.320 --> 01:12:54.320]  Okay.
[01:12:54.320 --> 01:13:00.400]  We've got to, we've got to, to wake up people and get out of, of this, this, this haze.
[01:13:00.400 --> 01:13:01.400]  It's like a daze.
[01:13:01.400 --> 01:13:05.800]  It's like a fog, you know, the, the, this indoctrination of this collectivist mindset
[01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:06.800]  man.
[01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:07.800]  All right.
[01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:08.800]  Anyways.
[01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:14.560]  I'm just saying, Randy, I understand your point, but the game has changed in the schools
[01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:15.560]  these days.
[01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:16.560]  All right.
[01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.160]  It is a different scenario.
[01:13:19.160 --> 01:13:24.460]  I went to school at Tule High School in inner city in Chicago.
[01:13:24.460 --> 01:13:30.440]  My first day at school, I was walking beside the building and someone came sailing out
[01:13:30.440 --> 01:13:36.040]  of the third floor window and landed on the sidewalk in front of me.
[01:13:36.040 --> 01:13:39.120]  They had barriers inside the school.
[01:13:39.120 --> 01:13:43.160]  They could hit a button and it would block the school off into sections.
[01:13:43.160 --> 01:13:48.440]  The cops walked the halls with their guns in their hands.
[01:13:48.440 --> 01:13:55.200]  How are the teachers supposed to teach curriculum?
[01:13:55.200 --> 01:14:04.320]  If you're now going to ask them to teach the children how to behave in a civilized society,
[01:14:04.320 --> 01:14:09.680]  a job that the parents are supposed to do and the teachers do not have the tools to
[01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:10.680]  do that with.
[01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.440]  Hey, I'm not saying the teachers need to do anything.
[01:14:13.440 --> 01:14:15.480]  I'm talking about the parent here.
[01:14:15.480 --> 01:14:21.560]  Let the kids beat themselves bloody or call the police and have to let the police arrest
[01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:24.320]  them and handle it.
[01:14:24.320 --> 01:14:32.760]  The schools are trying to find a way to find a middle ground and say to the kids, wait
[01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:36.920]  a minute, wait a minute, find a different way.
[01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:41.320]  If somebody's bullying, come to us and tell us they're bullying.
[01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:45.200]  Kids don't like to tell on each other.
[01:14:45.200 --> 01:14:49.720]  They take the bullying and until they fight back, well, what are the teachers supposed
[01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:50.720]  to do?
[01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:56.880]  Kill themselves, kill each other and then sit down and hold courts and you've got 20
[01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:01.360]  kids on this side blaming this one, 20 kids on that side blaming the other one.
[01:15:01.360 --> 01:15:02.880]  You know what?
[01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:08.800]  If they handle it however they want to handle it, but I tell you what, if I was the parent
[01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:15.960]  and I know that my kid acted in self-defense, I would cram it up their backside all the
[01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:21.080]  way from here until kingdom come and I would do the same thing to the police because the
[01:15:21.080 --> 01:15:26.200]  police have no, I mean, it's ridiculous.
[01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:33.560]  You can't go along with letting the cops punish you or your kids for defending yourself because
[01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.840]  then we create a society of bullies.
[01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:41.120]  We create a society that is exactly what you were describing with the kids beaten up on
[01:15:41.120 --> 01:15:45.760]  each other all the time because then what would happen is that those who are authoritarian
[01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.960]  psychopaths are going to go around beaten up on everybody and everybody else is just
[01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.480]  going to be curled up in a fetal position with their brains smashed in.
[01:15:53.480 --> 01:15:54.480]  Wait a minute.
[01:15:54.480 --> 01:15:55.480]  Wait a minute.
[01:15:55.480 --> 01:15:56.480]  Hold on.
[01:15:56.480 --> 01:15:59.760]  Which by the way is exactly what's happening on the streets of our cities today.
[01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:01.080]  Wait a minute.
[01:16:01.080 --> 01:16:02.080]  This is not new.
[01:16:02.080 --> 01:16:07.960]  I went to high school 40 years ago and they had exactly the same policy.
[01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:10.200]  Don't fight.
[01:16:10.200 --> 01:16:14.440]  If you're going to fight, you're going to be punished.
[01:16:14.440 --> 01:16:17.360]  Find a different way of handling this.
[01:16:17.360 --> 01:16:18.360]  Come to us.
[01:16:18.360 --> 01:16:19.360]  Handle it.
[01:16:19.360 --> 01:16:20.720]  Don't get in a fight out there.
[01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:21.720]  Okay.
[01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:22.720]  But see, here's the difference.
[01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:23.720]  That was 40 years ago.
[01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:24.720]  But see, here's the thing.
[01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:31.320]  Their definition of fight is laying in a fetal position with your brain bashed in.
[01:16:31.320 --> 01:16:38.880]  I saw this for myself even with other people and it's like, hey, you can't even run away
[01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:42.080]  from some of these bullies because they'll chase you down.
[01:16:42.080 --> 01:16:43.080]  All right.
[01:16:43.080 --> 01:16:46.880]  There's nothing that you can do.
[01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.880]  Their definition of fighting is ridiculous.
[01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:50.880]  That's...
[01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:51.880]  Okay.
[01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:52.880]  Hang on.
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[01:19:44.080 --> 01:19:45.080]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[01:19:45.080 --> 01:19:51.280]  Now, Steve Skidmore, that chicken, he is running ahead.
[01:19:51.280 --> 01:19:53.520]  I don't hear a peep out of him.
[01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:57.960]  I'm keeping my head down and my mouth shut.
[01:19:57.960 --> 01:19:58.960]  Okay.
[01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:02.480]  I'm going to take the position.
[01:20:02.480 --> 01:20:07.520]  I know a number of teachers and I grew up in the inner city.
[01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:11.680]  I grew up in what they call the mean streets.
[01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:17.240]  It was inner city in Chicago and it was really, really a bad neighborhood.
[01:20:17.240 --> 01:20:19.840]  About as bad as they get.
[01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:28.920]  We had teachers in these schools that I personally thought they were out of their minds for even
[01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:31.080]  coming here.
[01:20:31.080 --> 01:20:39.080]  Why on earth would they come to this rat hole and try to teach these kids when everybody
[01:20:39.080 --> 01:20:43.320]  here was absolutely berserk?
[01:20:43.320 --> 01:20:50.600]  My first day in high school, the school I went to was Tule High and a lot of you older
[01:20:50.600 --> 01:21:00.960]  folks out there may remember a movie called Cooley High, C-U-L-E-Y.
[01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:05.680]  It was about a really, really rough inner city high school.
[01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:10.280]  Well, it was actually Tule High, T-U-L-E-Y, and I went to it.
[01:21:10.280 --> 01:21:11.280]  They had barriers.
[01:21:11.280 --> 01:21:16.280]  They could push a button and these barriers would block off sections of the school to
[01:21:16.280 --> 01:21:19.600]  keep riots from occurring.
[01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:25.080]  These teachers are struggling to try to keep some kind of order.
[01:21:25.080 --> 01:21:34.720]  Now, granted, this was an extreme case of where parents had not taught their children
[01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:40.800]  how to behave in a civilized society, so what are they to do?
[01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:49.440]  The schools are always, the children are always in factions, and when something occurred where
[01:21:49.440 --> 01:21:59.400]  there was an obvious perpetrator, they were very good about taking action against a perpetrator,
[01:21:59.400 --> 01:22:03.760]  but most of the time it was always shades of gray.
[01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:11.160]  These teachers are struggling trying to teach these kids and spending most of their time
[01:22:11.160 --> 01:22:17.560]  dealing with discipline, and they finally said, enough of this.
[01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:23.280]  If you have a problem with a bully, you need to come to us, but if you try to take care
[01:22:23.280 --> 01:22:27.680]  of that bully yourself, then you're part of the problem.
[01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:28.680]  Okay.
[01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:31.600]  Well, Randy, look, let me explain something.
[01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:38.760]  It's just like with the Trayvon Martin situation, all right, you got a guy who's pounding down
[01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:46.640]  on him, busting his head into the concrete, and from what the witness testimony said,
[01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:49.360]  Trayvon Martin was about to kill George Zimmerman.
[01:22:49.360 --> 01:22:55.080]  He was about to literally pound him into his grave, and Zimmerman had no choice but to
[01:22:55.080 --> 01:22:58.520]  defend himself, and in that situation he had a firearm.
[01:22:58.520 --> 01:23:00.080]  What are we supposed to do?
[01:23:00.080 --> 01:23:04.840]  Let our sons and daughters die or get brain damage or get their teeth knocked out from
[01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:10.440]  a bully when they're getting pounded into the ground and they cannot defend themselves.
[01:23:10.440 --> 01:23:14.040]  Even if they just curl up in a fetal position, they're still going to be accused of quote
[01:23:14.040 --> 01:23:16.760]  unquote fighting because they're involved in an altercation.
[01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:21.640]  Let me tell you something, here's another situation that has changed, and I understand
[01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:26.280]  maybe the policy back in the days where you had your kids in school, it was still there,
[01:23:26.280 --> 01:23:30.280]  but it wasn't as enforced the way it is now, okay?
[01:23:30.280 --> 01:23:32.120]  Here's something else that's different.
[01:23:32.120 --> 01:23:34.000]  There's cameras everywhere, okay?
[01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:38.560]  They can't lie, or they can try to lie, but they can't just sit here and say, he started,
[01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:42.760]  no he started, no she started, no she started, and it's just one kid's word against another
[01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:46.760]  or 20 kids' words against another 20 kids' words.
[01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:52.040]  There are video cameras, surveillance cameras, everything is recorded in these schools 24
[01:23:52.040 --> 01:23:55.680]  7 all the time in all the classrooms, in the hallways, in the bathrooms.
[01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:59.680]  We've got cameras in the freaking stalls of the bathrooms and the showers and the locker
[01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:01.000]  rooms and everything.
[01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:05.000]  There's been so much controversy over this all around the schoolyard.
[01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:07.640]  It's like the inside of a jail, okay?
[01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:11.480]  When fights break out in jails, they know exactly who started it.
[01:24:11.480 --> 01:24:13.000]  They know everything that happens.
[01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:14.640]  It's the same thing inside a school.
[01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:20.320]  There is no excuse for these policies because everything is surveilled and videotaped.
[01:24:20.320 --> 01:24:24.080]  It's obvious who started it every single time.
[01:24:24.080 --> 01:24:25.080]  This is crazy.
[01:24:25.080 --> 01:24:26.600]  We've got to stand up to this.
[01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:27.600]  We've got to put an end to it.
[01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:28.840]  We've got to stop it, Randy.
[01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.520]  It is absolutely a nightmare.
[01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:34.760]  If we go along with your philosophy of saying, well, it's just too much trouble.
[01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:36.240]  What are the teachers supposed to do?
[01:24:36.240 --> 01:24:37.240]  How are they supposed to handle it?
[01:24:37.240 --> 01:24:40.320]  All we can do is just say, oh, we just punish everybody.
[01:24:40.320 --> 01:24:46.840]  Imagine how that would translate into our court systems if that was the policy that
[01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:49.120]  was implemented with due process.
[01:24:49.120 --> 01:24:52.640]  Oh, well, it's just too much trouble.
[01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:54.640]  There's too many court cases.
[01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:58.280]  The court systems aren't going to function efficiently enough.
[01:24:58.280 --> 01:24:59.280]  Just screw it.
[01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:00.280]  Everybody's guilty.
[01:25:00.280 --> 01:25:03.280]  I mean, come on.
[01:25:03.280 --> 01:25:04.280]  False generalization.
[01:25:04.280 --> 01:25:10.560]  No, I don't think so.
[01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:21.480]  How can you... I had a really good retort and you got past it.
[01:25:21.480 --> 01:25:29.480]  If I throw two cents in here, my mom and dad raised me in a house and they taught me that
[01:25:29.480 --> 01:25:35.240]  it takes more of a man to walk away from a fight than it does to throw a punch.
[01:25:35.240 --> 01:25:38.740]  In philosophy, this all sounds wonderful.
[01:25:38.740 --> 01:25:45.680]  In school, it got my butt whipped about three times on a daily basis until I finally put
[01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:46.840]  an end to it myself.
[01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:54.320]  I went absolutely nuts on a guy and it stopped.
[01:25:54.320 --> 01:25:58.360]  All the bullying stopped.
[01:25:58.360 --> 01:25:59.840]  That's my two cents.
[01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:04.860]  Yeah, and that's a valuable two cents.
[01:26:04.860 --> 01:26:13.100]  My position is that we need to teach the kids how things work in the real world.
[01:26:13.100 --> 01:26:19.320]  If you shoot somebody on your front porch who's trying to break into your house, you're
[01:26:19.320 --> 01:26:25.240]  going to be prosecuted and you're going to have to prove that you had good cause to shoot
[01:26:25.240 --> 01:26:28.240]  him.
[01:26:28.240 --> 01:26:32.920]  The police are not going to come by and say, oh, well, he was on your porch, so you can
[01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:34.040]  just shoot him.
[01:26:34.040 --> 01:26:43.000]  You can just take whatever action you want to and we won't raise any question.
[01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:49.960]  In the real world we live in, if you start a fight with me and I defend myself and beat
[01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:54.800]  you up, I'm going to be prosecuted.
[01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:59.400]  That's how it works in the world I live in.
[01:26:59.400 --> 01:27:07.880]  That's how it works in the schools are doing the best they can to find a way to keep these
[01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:21.400]  issues from occurring in the schools I grew up in, and granted it was extreme, but in
[01:27:21.400 --> 01:27:25.560]  this extreme that was their position.
[01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:27.880]  We got people fighting all over it.
[01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:29.320]  We got to get this under control.
[01:27:29.320 --> 01:27:35.920]  We can't come in and say, okay, you can beat this guy up because he did something that
[01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:43.880]  was reasonable for you to take offense to, and they said, no, no, you don't get to do
[01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:44.880]  that.
[01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:46.320]  No, nobody ever gets to do that.
[01:27:46.320 --> 01:27:52.280]  What people get to do is defend themselves and if somebody is cold cocking me and trying
[01:27:52.280 --> 01:27:57.600]  to knock my teeth out or if I had a daughter or a son and a bully was in the process of
[01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:03.120]  beating him in the face and about to knock his teeth or her teeth out, I would have already
[01:28:03.120 --> 01:28:09.880]  instructed my child, you better figure out how to block and get them off of you or something
[01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:15.320]  or put them down and temporarily disable them so you can get away because I don't want to
[01:28:15.320 --> 01:28:21.240]  have to pay $10,000 in orthodontal bills to give them dental implants because they're
[01:28:21.240 --> 01:28:27.240]  listening to some dumb ass school policy that says it doesn't matter who started the fight
[01:28:27.240 --> 01:28:28.240]  or worse.
[01:28:28.240 --> 01:28:34.240]  A kid could end up in a coma, Randy, somebody could get killed and get brain damaged if
[01:28:34.240 --> 01:28:37.440]  they just sit there and let somebody beat up on them enough.
[01:28:37.440 --> 01:28:40.120]  You get concussions, you get brain damage, I don't know, right?
[01:28:40.120 --> 01:28:41.600]  That's an errant distortion.
[01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.480]  No, this is what happens.
[01:28:44.480 --> 01:28:48.840]  How much evidence do we have of kids beating kids to death in schools?
[01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:52.520]  I don't know, but the point is it doesn't take much, Randy.
[01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:53.520]  It doesn't take much.
[01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:54.520]  I haven't heard of that.
[01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:56.360]  There's people coming in from the outside.
[01:28:56.360 --> 01:29:03.880]  I can't go for saying it's okay to let people beat up on you.
[01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:07.320]  Whoever starts it is in the wrong, period, end of story.
[01:29:07.320 --> 01:29:11.080]  But this is not about the school policy.
[01:29:11.080 --> 01:29:19.260]  This is about how parents are going to handle the school policy that is teaching these kids
[01:29:19.260 --> 01:29:22.200]  that they don't have a right to defend themselves.
[01:29:22.200 --> 01:29:23.560]  That is the issue.
[01:29:23.560 --> 01:29:30.320]  How do the parents deal with the schools regarding this situation?
[01:29:30.320 --> 01:29:36.120]  And actually, we have a listener who has dealt with the schools regarding this situation
[01:29:36.120 --> 01:29:43.360]  and has won the issue on the side of the right.
[01:29:43.360 --> 01:29:44.360]  Is he on the board?
[01:29:44.360 --> 01:29:45.360]  He's fixing to be on the board.
[01:29:45.360 --> 01:29:46.360]  He's going to call in just a minute.
[01:29:46.360 --> 01:29:47.360]  Okay.
[01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:49.320]  We'll pick him up when we come back on the other side.
[01:29:49.320 --> 01:29:53.240]  Patrick, Tommy, Kevin, we will try to get to everybody.
[01:29:53.240 --> 01:29:54.240]  Hang on.
[01:29:54.240 --> 01:30:04.680]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, we'll be right back.
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[01:33:45.400 --> 01:33:50.680]  This is the rule of law, and sorry to the callers who called in about some other subject,
[01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:52.840]  but this is a really important issue.
[01:33:52.840 --> 01:34:00.760]  Okay, we have got to be able to figure out how we are going to deal with this situation.
[01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:05.480]  Now again, I want to reiterate, this isn't about the school policy.
[01:34:05.480 --> 01:34:07.400]  We all know it is completely messed up.
[01:34:07.400 --> 01:34:09.520]  It's built on the Prussian model.
[01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:13.280]  Parents need to get their kids out of these government indoctrination propaganda systems
[01:34:13.280 --> 01:34:18.600]  anyway, because nowadays they have homeschooling co-ops, and it's just like dropping your kid
[01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:25.400]  off at school as if it was a government indoctrination mechanism, except you get to control the curriculum
[01:34:25.400 --> 01:34:30.920]  and they are not getting indoctrinated with a bunch of collectivist, evil, filth, puke
[01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:31.920]  philosophy.
[01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:37.000]  At any rate, if you can't do that because of wherever you live, there is not a homeschooling
[01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:41.720]  co-op or whatever, and you have to deal with this Prussian system that is being foisted
[01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:48.120]  upon us, it's not about changing it necessarily, because I don't think we are going to be able
[01:34:48.120 --> 01:34:52.760]  to change it, but it's about teaching your kids the basic difference between right and
[01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:57.440]  wrong, and you don't initiate the aggression, and you walk away from the fight if you can,
[01:34:57.440 --> 01:35:03.800]  like what Steve was saying, but if you can't, you don't let your face get bashed in either.
[01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:10.320]  It's about how do the parents deal with this policy in these schools, and we have a caller
[01:35:10.320 --> 01:35:17.280]  on the line, Johnny from Texas, who has apparently successfully been able to deal with this madness
[01:35:17.280 --> 01:35:22.240]  in the schools of this policy of it doesn't matter who starts the fight.
[01:35:22.240 --> 01:35:24.560]  Johnny, thanks for calling in on this issue.
[01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:28.400]  Can you please give us a little insight on how you were able to deal with the school
[01:35:28.400 --> 01:35:29.400]  system?
[01:35:29.400 --> 01:35:35.760]  Yeah, I can do that, but before I do, I have to rib Randy a little bit for you backing
[01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:38.800]  him into a corner just a few minutes ago.
[01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:40.280]  Okay.
[01:35:40.280 --> 01:35:52.080]  No, I had an issue a few years back where my daughter was being bullied.
[01:35:52.080 --> 01:35:58.400]  She was being bullied by the same boy for over two years straight, and I had discussions
[01:35:58.400 --> 01:36:04.480]  with the school administrators about it and everything else, and he wasn't like hitting
[01:36:04.480 --> 01:36:10.000]  her or starting fights with her, but he was always... He broke her glasses three times
[01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:15.720]  and during PE, he would throw the dodge ball at her and make her hit herself in the face
[01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:20.400]  with a tennis racket and things like that.
[01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:22.720]  She had a third year into it.
[01:36:22.720 --> 01:36:28.720]  He broke her third pair of glasses that she just got, and she snapped, and she jumped
[01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:32.640]  on him and pretty much pounded the crap out of him.
[01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:38.040]  When one of the teachers tried to pull her off, they really had to calm her down.
[01:36:38.040 --> 01:36:43.600]  She was apparently one fight teacher too, and so we had a school conference and me and
[01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:51.240]  my daughter and a couple of school officials and the other parent and his son, and I reminded
[01:36:51.240 --> 01:36:55.040]  them of the conversations that we had had over the past couple of years with him picking
[01:36:55.040 --> 01:36:59.900]  on her, and they would not do anything about it, and I told her that she has the right
[01:36:59.900 --> 01:37:01.000]  to defend herself.
[01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:07.600]  She better not ever start a fight, but she has the right to defend herself, and that's
[01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:12.920]  what I told her, and that's how it's going to be, and then they started telling me, well,
[01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:17.000]  our school policy says this and that, and for about the first 20 minutes of the conversation,
[01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:27.800]  they kept falling back on policy, and I had to really show them how and why they treat
[01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:33.440]  their internal policy as law, and I had to sit them down and show them, look, you have
[01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:37.800]  the education code, which was set out by the legislature, which is law, which you guys
[01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:44.440]  have to abide by, and then you have your own internal policies that your unelected officials
[01:37:44.440 --> 01:37:45.440]  put together.
[01:37:45.440 --> 01:37:49.200]  They're not legislators, and that's your policy.
[01:37:49.200 --> 01:37:55.800]  If that's what you guys want to abide by, that's fine, but it's not law, and she acted
[01:37:55.800 --> 01:37:59.920]  within law, and they said, oh no, she signed an agreement, which I'm the type of parent
[01:37:59.920 --> 01:38:06.160]  that I pretty routinely read homework and think that the school's asking for her to
[01:38:06.160 --> 01:38:12.800]  sign and things like that, and every year they always want her to sign an agreement.
[01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:15.560]  Basically, it's just something to be effective.
[01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:22.000]  I agree to abide at all times with all school policies on and off campus and all that stuff,
[01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:29.600]  and we've always amended it, saying without prejudice, standing rights, and they've never
[01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:30.600]  said anything about it.
[01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:34.040]  I had them go pull that copy because they were trying to say, well, you know, whether
[01:38:34.040 --> 01:38:36.960]  our policy is law or not, she agreed with us.
[01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:37.960]  She signed the thing.
[01:38:37.960 --> 01:38:39.920]  I said, you need to go pull that out of her file and look what it says.
[01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:46.800]  We made some amendments to it, and you accepted it, and basically just had to... I basically
[01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:52.200]  convinced them that if she started to fight, I expect her to be in trouble, expelled, whatever
[01:38:52.200 --> 01:38:56.440]  their policy says, as long as they do not violate any of her rights in the process.
[01:38:56.440 --> 01:39:00.360]  I don't expect... This kid's been picking on her for three years, he's cost me 800 bucks
[01:39:00.360 --> 01:39:07.760]  having to buy glasses, and she's had enough, and she has the right to defend herself.
[01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:11.120]  If somebody picks on her and she tries to walk away and they continue, she has the right
[01:39:11.120 --> 01:39:15.560]  to defend herself, and if you guys in any way interfere with or impede her exercise
[01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:18.760]  of that right, we're going to go to court and we're going to talk about it for a long
[01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:25.600]  time and get it from things adjudicated, and they understood that, and they ended up expelling
[01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:30.960]  the boy for a week, which was not my intent, and I felt bad about that, and they didn't
[01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:32.800]  say another word to her about it.
[01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:34.520]  Well, good for you, Johnny.
[01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:35.520]  That is-
[01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:39.440]  The main thing, really the main point I want to make is I've been listening to you and
[01:39:39.440 --> 01:39:46.920]  Randy talk about this, and you guys are seeing it through the eyes of adults, and I had some
[01:39:46.920 --> 01:39:52.800]  pretty in-depth conversation with my daughter about this boy picking on her, and that's
[01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:56.240]  one of the things that she said, and I can kind of see it through a child's eyes.
[01:39:56.240 --> 01:40:05.240]  I remember the school code and all that stuff, and that's one thing she was telling me.
[01:40:05.240 --> 01:40:09.840]  Let me take exception.
[01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:20.840]  I grew up in an inner-city school in a neighborhood that was originally Polish, and while we lived
[01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:27.680]  there, it changed primarily to Puerto Rican, and I got the crap beat out of me every other
[01:40:27.680 --> 01:40:29.480]  day.
[01:40:29.480 --> 01:40:32.920]  I fully understand these issues.
[01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:41.360]  I fully understand the position that the children are in.
[01:40:41.360 --> 01:40:42.680]  It's a difficult situation.
[01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:43.680]  I was there.
[01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:45.520]  I lived through it.
[01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:56.800]  I had a kid in the eighth grade that was 16 or 15 or 16 and in the eighth grade, and he
[01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:04.080]  beat the crap out of me every other day, and it wasn't until I got my older brother and
[01:41:04.080 --> 01:41:10.520]  my twin brother, and we caught him coming out of school, and we did our best to beat
[01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:15.280]  him half to death, and that put an end to that.
[01:41:15.280 --> 01:41:24.680]  But had we not waited until school was out, we would have been prosecuted for that, and
[01:41:24.680 --> 01:41:26.560]  we knew that would happen.
[01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:28.200]  This is a difficult situation.
[01:41:28.200 --> 01:41:30.960]  Okay, so Johnny, what were you going to-
[01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:41.400]  There's no easy, just blanket answer, and the teachers are not just socialist pigs trying
[01:41:41.400 --> 01:41:42.400]  to indoctrinate our children.
[01:41:42.400 --> 01:41:43.720]  Okay, no, this isn't about the teachers.
[01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.320]  The teachers are cogs in the wheel, too.
[01:41:46.320 --> 01:41:48.800]  They don't know that they're implementing this socialist agenda.
[01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:53.120]  Wait, hold on, Johnny, what were you going to say about the kids?
[01:41:53.120 --> 01:41:56.960]  You were saying that we are seeing this through the eyes of the adult, but you were about
[01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:58.160]  to say something about your daughter.
[01:41:58.160 --> 01:42:00.320]  I wanted you to finish real quick.
[01:42:00.320 --> 01:42:06.040]  Yeah, and Randy, based on what you articulated in your exception, you will understand exactly
[01:42:06.040 --> 01:42:10.160]  the point that I was about to make, which is, and this is what she told me.
[01:42:10.160 --> 01:42:15.520]  She said, if he's picking on me, the school wants me to go tell, and they say that I have
[01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:16.520]  to go tell.
[01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:22.260]  But every time somebody does that, they become a target for all the bullies in the school.
[01:42:22.260 --> 01:42:25.200]  On the other side of the coin, if-
[01:42:25.200 --> 01:42:26.200]  No, stop.
[01:42:26.200 --> 01:42:27.200]  No, they don't.
[01:42:27.200 --> 01:42:28.200]  That is horse manure.
[01:42:28.200 --> 01:42:29.200]  I don't think so.
[01:42:29.200 --> 01:42:34.080]  They do not become the target.
[01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:43.680]  I grew up in some of the worst schools in inner city in Chicago, and they do not become
[01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:46.280]  the target for everybody.
[01:42:46.280 --> 01:42:53.800]  They take a lot of teasing, a lot of finger pointing, but they don't get messed with.
[01:42:53.800 --> 01:43:02.640]  It really does work when you go to the, it's just a image thing that you're a tattletale.
[01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:08.680]  Okay, well, Randy, just because it worked in your school doesn't mean that it works
[01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:10.720]  in every school.
[01:43:10.720 --> 01:43:18.480]  This is the real world, and in the real world, everything has consequences.
[01:43:18.480 --> 01:43:25.840]  When you defend yourself, it has consequences, and you have to understand it has consequences.
[01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:30.960]  Okay, well, yeah, and the consequences in certain situations, Randy, if it were me or
[01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:35.640]  my daughter, I wouldn't instruct my daughter to wait until her teeth were bashed in, until
[01:43:35.640 --> 01:43:40.240]  the bully was done with her and got tired and walked away before she went and told the
[01:43:40.240 --> 01:43:45.000]  teacher, hey, by the way, this other kid knocked my teeth out.
[01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:46.000]  Excuse me.
[01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:52.440]  At some point, you have to do something to defend your wellbeing, okay?
[01:43:52.440 --> 01:43:53.440]  It's a little bit ridiculous.
[01:43:53.440 --> 01:43:54.440]  We'll be right back.
[01:43:54.440 --> 01:43:55.440]  We'll be right back.
[01:43:55.440 --> 01:44:03.720]  Do you feel tired when talking about important topics like money and politics?
[01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:04.720]  Sorry.
[01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:07.600]  Are you confused by words like the Constitution or the Federal Reserve?
[01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:08.600]  What?
[01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:12.440]  If so, you may be diagnosed with the deadliest disease known today, stupidity.
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[01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:49.920]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Steve Skidmore, we're on the radio and we're
[01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:57.120]  talking on the break and I want to say that from my perspective, what Johnny's daughter
[01:46:57.120 --> 01:47:03.240]  did in jumping on this guy was exactly right.
[01:47:03.240 --> 01:47:15.880]  And what the teachers did for exacting a potential punishment against her was exactly right.
[01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:19.240]  Everybody did what was right and that worked out the way it should.
[01:47:19.240 --> 01:47:23.880]  I grew up in an inner city school and these were the mean streets and I used to get beat
[01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:25.520]  up on a regular basis.
[01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:32.400]  The thing that stopped me from getting beat up by all of these guys every day was me getting
[01:47:32.400 --> 01:47:38.720]  the crap beat out of me because this kid, when I was in the eighth grade that was like
[01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:46.120]  four years older than me and four inches taller than me, I finally had enough just like Johnny
[01:47:46.120 --> 01:47:55.520] 's daughter and we were in a classroom and he walked by me and punched me in the stomach
[01:47:55.520 --> 01:48:02.560]  and I just had had all I could take and we had one heck of a fight and he beat the crap
[01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:05.560]  out of me.
[01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:16.080]  And the school wanted to expel me and my father came in and big to do, they didn't expel me
[01:48:16.080 --> 01:48:22.200]  after that this guy, nobody else wanted anything to do with me.
[01:48:22.200 --> 01:48:24.680]  They kept their distance.
[01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:28.760]  This is what I learned from that.
[01:48:28.760 --> 01:48:33.240]  We have to stand up for ourselves and when we stand up for ourselves, we're going to
[01:48:33.240 --> 01:48:38.240]  have to defend ourselves from other people.
[01:48:38.240 --> 01:48:44.040]  I knew when I jumped on this guy that the school was going to come after me.
[01:48:44.040 --> 01:48:45.760]  Take your best shot.
[01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:51.640]  Well, but yeah, you were defending yourself and in Johnny's daughter's case, she was
[01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:57.360]  defending herself too because the guy had broken her glasses.
[01:48:57.360 --> 01:49:04.040]  She was defending herself because listen, what would happen next?
[01:49:04.040 --> 01:49:07.240]  He could have punched her in the face because this is what happens.
[01:49:07.240 --> 01:49:08.480]  It's not just bullying.
[01:49:08.480 --> 01:49:10.600]  This goes on in abusive relationships.
[01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:11.600]  Hold on, hold on.
[01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:12.960]  I see it all the time.
[01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:19.920]  Once the abuse starts, it only gets worse and worse and worse and the violence only progresses
[01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:23.520]  and it continues to progress because you're dealing with psychopaths here.
[01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:28.440]  At some point you have to defend yourself and I wanted to make, hold on, hold on, because
[01:49:28.440 --> 01:49:29.440]  Randy, Randy, hold on.
[01:49:29.440 --> 01:49:30.440]  We got a few minutes left.
[01:49:30.440 --> 01:49:35.560]  Let me say what I have to say here because last night I couldn't finish with Patrick.
[01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:40.560]  This also shows that everything is by commercial agreement, which is what I was going to last
[01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:42.880]  night.
[01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:47.040]  When Johnny started pointing out the difference between their policy and their law, what was
[01:49:47.040 --> 01:49:48.040]  the first thing they said?
[01:49:48.040 --> 01:49:50.880]  They said, well, she agreed or you guys agreed or both.
[01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:53.680]  Both of y'all agreed and then Johnny's like, uh-uh, guess what?
[01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:55.520]  We didn't agree to that.
[01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:59.040]  He made them go pull the document from the file and here's another thing that I would
[01:49:59.040 --> 01:50:05.640]  say about having kids sign to agree to these so-called policies.
[01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:09.880]  I don't know if that has been ever tested in court, but I could tell you right now just
[01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:13.320]  from my study of law, I don't see how that would ever stand up in court.
[01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:16.160]  I don't see how it would ever hold water because they're a minor.
[01:50:16.160 --> 01:50:17.240]  They're not an adult.
[01:50:17.240 --> 01:50:18.520]  They can't make an agreement.
[01:50:18.520 --> 01:50:20.480]  They can't sign contracts.
[01:50:20.480 --> 01:50:25.160]  What matters is what has the parents agreed to?
[01:50:25.160 --> 01:50:28.920]  That's what matters and so yeah, Johnny, you did the right thing.
[01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:35.760]  Parents need to amend these contracts, initial the little changes and all that and send them
[01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:39.840]  back and if they accept it, then they accept the changes and that's just the way it is.
[01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:51.800]  I think she was right in attacking this guy and I agree with you that this nonsense of
[01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:57.480]  having children sign commercial agreements, are you kidding me?
[01:50:57.480 --> 01:51:00.040]  That is absolutely nonsense.
[01:51:00.040 --> 01:51:02.320]  Complete and total nonsense.
[01:51:02.320 --> 01:51:11.680]  In the real world we live in, if I perceive that somebody else wronged me, I don't get
[01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:18.880]  to go beat the crap out of them and if there is a circumstance where I have to resort to
[01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:26.400]  physical violence, I need to understand there are going to be consequences.
[01:51:26.400 --> 01:51:34.560]  I will resort to physical violence if I have to, but only if I absolutely have to.
[01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:42.600]  I am not going to resort to physical violence simply because I feel justified to do so.
[01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:44.080]  No, absolutely not.
[01:51:44.080 --> 01:51:47.400]  That's what Mark Pasio discusses in his recent documentary.
[01:51:47.400 --> 01:51:54.520]  This goes to self-defense and I wouldn't even qualify what Johnny's daughter did as attacking
[01:51:54.520 --> 01:51:55.720]  the other guy.
[01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:58.320]  She was defending herself.
[01:51:58.320 --> 01:52:00.240]  He was attacking her.
[01:52:00.240 --> 01:52:03.040]  The glasses were already broken.
[01:52:03.040 --> 01:52:05.760]  It had just happened within seconds.
[01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:08.320]  She was defending herself on the spot.
[01:52:08.320 --> 01:52:14.360]  She didn't premeditatedly three hours later go and jump on him.
[01:52:14.360 --> 01:52:16.600]  It was in process.
[01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:17.600]  It was defense.
[01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:18.600]  Okay.
[01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:19.600]  Okay.
[01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:20.600]  Well, she needs...
[01:52:20.600 --> 01:52:21.600]  Yeah, go ahead.
[01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:23.960]  Johnny was trying to say something.
[01:52:23.960 --> 01:52:27.040]  Yeah, but Johnny's just going to chump me again.
[01:52:27.040 --> 01:52:32.080]  Well, you nearly chumped yourself, Randy, a few minutes ago, because when Johnny said
[01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:36.360]  that you and I, Randy, when Johnny said you and I were looking at this from the perspective
[01:52:36.360 --> 01:52:41.440]  of adults and you said, well, wait a minute, I take acceptance into that, I was like, well,
[01:52:41.440 --> 01:52:42.440]  what are you saying?
[01:52:42.440 --> 01:52:43.440]  You're still a child, Randy?
[01:52:43.440 --> 01:52:45.440]  Anyway, go ahead, Johnny.
[01:52:45.440 --> 01:52:46.440]  At heart.
[01:52:46.440 --> 01:52:48.000]  Go ahead, Johnny.
[01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:51.880]  Yeah, I do want to finish on that point.
[01:52:51.880 --> 01:52:58.080]  You know, Randy, schools have changed a lot in the last 10 years, even in the last five
[01:52:58.080 --> 01:53:02.400]  years, and they're also very different from district to district.
[01:53:02.400 --> 01:53:07.040]  We just moved barely 10 miles from where we were, and we're in a new school district now,
[01:53:07.040 --> 01:53:11.000]  and the schools here are very, very different than where we just came from.
[01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:17.720]  In fact, I can tell we're already going to have a problem with this one, but the way
[01:53:17.720 --> 01:53:21.960]  things work in a lot of the schools around here is if a kid gets bullied, they have a
[01:53:21.960 --> 01:53:22.960]  decision to make.
[01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:26.480]  They can either go tattle, or they can fight back, or they can walk away.
[01:53:26.480 --> 01:53:32.440]  And the kids who do, once they become the tattletale, they are like an outcast in the
[01:53:32.440 --> 01:53:37.360]  school, and people who weren't even thinking about picking on them before start picking
[01:53:37.360 --> 01:53:40.560]  on them, because they know they're just going to go tattle.
[01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:46.440]  And she said, if you just fight back one time and slug them, even if you don't win the fight,
[01:53:46.440 --> 01:53:47.440]  that's it.
[01:53:47.440 --> 01:53:50.840]  They will not pick on you the rest of the year, but then you get expelled.
[01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:55.560]  And so what I told her, and Randy, I do agree with what you said earlier about there's no
[01:53:55.560 --> 01:53:59.440]  blanket solution to it.
[01:53:59.440 --> 01:54:05.280]  But what I did with my daughter is I established some principles and some scenarios and just
[01:54:05.280 --> 01:54:12.880]  told her, if somebody is verbally abusing you, say what you feel is necessary.
[01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:18.840]  If they are physically coming after you, if you can walk away from it, walk away from
[01:54:18.840 --> 01:54:19.840]  it.
[01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:22.920]  If you have to fight your way out of it, you fight your way out of it.
[01:54:22.920 --> 01:54:26.800]  If you feel you're in danger or in harm, you don't care what the school policy says.
[01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:29.380]  You do what you have to do.
[01:54:29.380 --> 01:54:34.560]  Don't get yourself hurt, because you're worried about what the school says you have to do.
[01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:40.040]  And if kids will follow that, then I know it's not a blanket answer, but I think you
[01:54:40.040 --> 01:54:44.200]  have to have some basic principles to stand on.
[01:54:44.200 --> 01:54:51.080]  And another point I want to make is this whole issue of bullying, the level of bullying and
[01:54:51.080 --> 01:54:56.520]  the frequency of bullying in the schools, ironically has not only has it increased,
[01:54:56.520 --> 01:55:00.960]  but it has exploded since they have launched.
[01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:04.960]  And I think because they have launched this bullying campaign and they've been advertising
[01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:13.200]  on TV, anytime I go to a school function for my daughter or girlfriend's kids, they have
[01:55:13.200 --> 01:55:20.560]  signs plastered all over the walls about bullying and posters and things painted on the walls.
[01:55:20.560 --> 01:55:23.920]  It's almost like what you talk about sometimes, Randy, with the negative suggestion.
[01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:29.640]  It's almost like they're launching this anti-bullying campaign with the intent, or whether it's
[01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:32.880]  the intent or not, it's having the effect of increasing the problem.
[01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:39.920]  Well, especially when the policy encourages it, because the whole point is that if you're
[01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:46.560]  in a fight, it doesn't matter who starts it, that's like pouring gasoline on the fire right
[01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:47.560]  there.
[01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:52.840]  And you're right, Johnny, it is advertising, they're promoting it.
[01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:56.700]  And here's the other thing, let's start calling it for what it really is.
[01:55:56.700 --> 01:55:59.800]  It's not bullying, it's assault, okay?
[01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:02.360]  It's assault, all right?
[01:56:02.360 --> 01:56:07.440]  When somebody comes up and pushes you, shoves you, break your glasses, throws the kickball
[01:56:07.440 --> 01:56:10.960]  and makes you hit the tenant into your face, that is assault.
[01:56:10.960 --> 01:56:13.240]  That's not bullying, okay?
[01:56:13.240 --> 01:56:15.440]  We got to stop using these euphemisms.
[01:56:15.440 --> 01:56:16.440]  It's ridiculous.
[01:56:16.440 --> 01:56:17.440]  It's assault.
[01:56:17.440 --> 01:56:18.440]  It should be prosecuted.
[01:56:18.440 --> 01:56:25.400]  Well, and Deborah, when I was having the conversation with the school and trying to get it to sink
[01:56:25.400 --> 01:56:30.200]  in the difference between law and their policy, that's one thing that I showed them is here's
[01:56:30.200 --> 01:56:31.960]  what the assault statutes say.
[01:56:31.960 --> 01:56:36.640]  If somebody's trying to assault me, if I can walk away from it, I have to try to walk
[01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:37.640]  away from it.
[01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:41.480]  And if they continue, I get to beat the crap out of them.
[01:56:41.480 --> 01:56:44.360]  And if you look at what my daughter did, that's exactly what she did.
[01:56:44.360 --> 01:56:48.760]  She followed law, which unfortunately conflicts with, but also...
[01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:54.080]  Let me beg to differ with you just slightly.
[01:56:54.080 --> 01:57:03.880]  If someone is assaulting you, you have no duty to withdraw.
[01:57:03.880 --> 01:57:04.880]  That's not begging.
[01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:07.640]  I didn't hear any begging.
[01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:09.440]  You have no duty to withdraw.
[01:57:09.440 --> 01:57:12.360]  Now, wait a minute, Randy.
[01:57:12.360 --> 01:57:15.120]  You have the right to stand your ground.
[01:57:15.120 --> 01:57:18.860]  Well, I may be wrong, but...
[01:57:18.860 --> 01:57:20.720]  That's very clearly in the law.
[01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:22.760]  You have no duty to withdraw.
[01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:27.280]  They can say, well, this guy was threatening you, you should have walked away.
[01:57:27.280 --> 01:57:31.600]  The code says you have no duty to withdraw.
[01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:40.760]  And that would go to exactly what the concern with in the school is they're saying that
[01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:48.120]  you now necessarily have a duty to withdraw because if you defend yourself, then you're
[01:57:48.120 --> 01:57:53.360]  subject to retribution.
[01:57:53.360 --> 01:57:57.120]  And for those listening, I'm not on the other side.
[01:57:57.120 --> 01:58:03.080]  I've been taking a different perspective for the purpose of the discussion.
[01:58:03.080 --> 01:58:04.840]  You have no duty to withdraw.
[01:58:04.840 --> 01:58:07.360]  You ought to dot his eye.
[01:58:07.360 --> 01:58:09.640]  And whatever comes, comes and deal with it.
[01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:10.640]  But dot his eye.
[01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:11.640]  Put it in the nose.
[01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:12.640]  Dot his eye.
[01:58:12.640 --> 01:58:13.640]  That's hilarious.
[01:58:13.640 --> 01:58:14.640]  I was just going to say the same.
[01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:15.640]  That's hilarious.
[01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:19.880]  Okay, this is going to fight, man.
[01:58:19.880 --> 01:58:20.880]  That's all there is to it.
[01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:27.600]  There is no Crystal Palace world out there where everybody just sits around the fire
[01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:28.600]  singing Kumbaya.
[01:58:28.600 --> 01:58:29.600]  Yeah.
[01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:30.600]  You're a carnivore.
[01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:31.600]  Right.
[01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:32.600]  Hold on.
[01:58:32.600 --> 01:58:33.600]  We're out of time.
[01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:41.040]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[01:58:41.040 --> 01:58:44.880]  We'll be back next Wednesday and next Thursday and Friday.
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