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[03:18.700 --> 03:43.300]  Okay, we are back, Randy Felton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio, and there's a subject I
[03:43.300 --> 03:49.620]  would like to talk about that I, for the most part, haven't, and because I haven't done
[03:49.620 --> 03:55.940]  it on the radio, I have to kind of think about how to present it.
[03:55.940 --> 04:04.060]  It's really cool information, it's the kind of stuff they don't teach you in school, but
[04:04.060 --> 04:12.020]  I'm kind of, I've struggled with how to present it in a way that is cogent, that makes sense.
[04:12.020 --> 04:21.100]  Things like conversational ellipsises, how to lead the mind and not interrupt the mind.
[04:21.100 --> 04:28.180]  A lot of the things that I tend to object to in writing, they may well be grammatically
[04:28.180 --> 04:37.900]  correct and even culturally acceptable, but as concerns of normal human being trying to
[04:37.900 --> 04:44.700]  read written language really sucks, and one of the biggest, yeah, one of the biggest problems
[04:44.700 --> 04:51.860]  I have are acronyms, FDCPA.
[04:51.860 --> 05:02.540]  When I say FDCPA, for those of us who know what it is, you hear FDCPA and then you have
[05:02.540 --> 05:13.980]  to stop and say, okay, that's not FTCPA, that's not FCIA, that's FDCPA, that means Fair Debt
[05:13.980 --> 05:22.780]  Collections Practices Act, it doesn't mean, what's the other FDCPA, what does that one
[05:22.780 --> 05:23.780]  mean?
[05:23.780 --> 05:24.780]  I forget.
[05:24.780 --> 05:35.900]  Trade something, anyway, in order to, even if you recognize the acronym, because it is
[05:35.900 --> 05:43.180]  such a contraction of the word, you have to look closely at it to make sure you get every
[05:43.180 --> 05:50.740]  letter correct, and that causes a pattern interruption.
[05:50.740 --> 05:56.820]  If I want to trigger amnesia in someone, I got this special technique that we use, you
[05:56.820 --> 06:04.140]  know, I do, I study hypnosis, it's one of my psychology and hypnosis, and my primary
[06:04.140 --> 06:11.660]  study is not law, it's psychology, and it's not so much psychology, it is the living mind.
[06:11.660 --> 06:23.300]  My interest is in how does the normally functioning living mind work?
[06:23.300 --> 06:32.460]  I'm not so interested in the biology, but I'm in the functionality.
[06:32.460 --> 06:36.260]  What does it do and how does it get it done?
[06:36.260 --> 06:37.260]  Action-reaction.
[06:37.260 --> 06:43.100]  I'm not interested in abnormal psychology, I'm only interested in normal psychology,
[06:43.100 --> 06:48.660]  and in studying that subject, you'll find some really interesting stuff.
[06:48.660 --> 06:57.260]  Like when you're reading, your mind flows, and if the writing is well done, the reader
[06:57.260 --> 07:08.780]  doesn't notice the writing itself, excuse me, I have people read my documents, and I
[07:08.780 --> 07:12.220]  tell them, this is what I want you to do.
[07:12.220 --> 07:21.620]  I want you to tell me when you notice the writer as opposed to the content, because
[07:21.620 --> 07:30.060]  if you notice the writer I've screwed up, that means I've kicked you out of rapport.
[07:30.060 --> 07:37.180]  Most everybody has read a book or something and sat down and just kind of fell into the
[07:37.180 --> 07:42.620]  narrative, and 30 minutes, an hour later, somebody says something, gets your attention,
[07:42.620 --> 07:47.460]  and you don't realize that you've been reading for this long.
[07:47.460 --> 07:54.820]  When a writer can do that, he has done extremely well, when he can construct his narrative
[07:54.820 --> 08:01.340]  so that you never trip, you never mentally bump over anything, so that it causes you
[08:01.340 --> 08:08.820]  to bump out of the flow and you notice that the writer did something, and there's a lot
[08:08.820 --> 08:14.100]  of really neat tricks to get that, and one of my favorite tricks to get rapport is a
[08:14.100 --> 08:16.140]  conversational ellipsis.
[08:16.140 --> 08:26.340]  Okay, I kind of made this up, an ellipsis is where you have a quotation that's incomplete,
[08:26.340 --> 08:30.940]  you have part of a statement, the only part that's pertinent, and then you put a dot dot
[08:30.940 --> 08:33.660]  dot just to indicate that there was more stuff.
[08:33.660 --> 08:42.940]  Well, a conversational ellipsis in writing is where you take words out, you might try
[08:42.940 --> 08:50.380]  writing a paragraph, and then go back in and look at that paragraph and see what words
[08:50.380 --> 08:58.100]  you can take out of it that the mind will never notice, and most of these comes in terms
[08:58.100 --> 09:01.060]  of explanatory phrases.
[09:01.060 --> 09:09.500]  I'd have to have a sample to tell it to you, but to demonstrate, but look at your writing
[09:09.500 --> 09:19.540]  and try taking out words that go to phrases that you put in all of the time, that all
[09:19.540 --> 09:24.060]  writing always has in it, kind of little directing words.
[09:24.060 --> 09:31.860]  You start taking words out, where I originally started with this was Brady, the press secretary
[09:31.860 --> 09:36.580]  for Reagan, the one that got shot in the head, the story about him and what he would do
[09:36.580 --> 09:43.620]  when he got an article from one of his press attaches, he would go through the document
[09:43.620 --> 09:48.980]  and everywhere he'd come across the word that, he would take it out, and his explanation
[09:48.980 --> 09:56.340]  was you need that as a directing word in the spoken language, because we talk about 200
[09:56.340 --> 10:04.420]  words a minute, so we have to kind of let the mind know where we're going, but in the
[10:04.420 --> 10:07.580]  written word, we don't need it.
[10:07.580 --> 10:14.340]  For the most part, if you take out the word that, the reader won't even notice, because
[10:14.340 --> 10:17.700]  the mind will put it right back.
[10:17.700 --> 10:24.940]  The mind will move across it, and it's obvious that word should be there, and the mind will
[10:24.940 --> 10:30.900]  go in and put that word back in there, and the act of engaging the mind in doing that
[10:30.900 --> 10:42.220]  tends to pull the reader into the content, into the body of the, into what's the word,
[10:42.220 --> 10:43.220]  what word did I lose, David?
[10:43.220 --> 10:44.220]  The syntax?
[10:44.220 --> 10:51.740]  No, into the content, anyway, it kind of draws the reader in, and there are other really
[10:51.740 --> 11:00.020]  neat tools to do that with, if anybody's ever done any poetry, assonance, consonance, alliteration,
[11:00.020 --> 11:02.940]  rhyme and meter.
[11:02.940 --> 11:12.300]  These are tools we use in poetry, but they work extremely well in prose.
[11:12.300 --> 11:19.060]  I once constructed a letter to the chief of police of Fort Worth, Texas.
[11:19.060 --> 11:27.060]  It was a two-page letter, and once I finished it, I was just kind of screwing around, and
[11:27.060 --> 11:37.140]  I looked at the sentence structure and counted all the syllable sounds, and did an average,
[11:37.140 --> 11:44.020]  and I had long sentences and short sentences, so my long sentences, the average of the longer
[11:44.020 --> 11:48.900]  sentences were 13 syllable sounds, the average of the short sentences were five syllable
[11:48.900 --> 11:56.260]  sounds, so I went back and restructured all of the sentences so that the first sentence
[11:56.260 --> 11:59.180]  had 13 syllable sounds.
[11:59.180 --> 12:01.900]  The second sentence had five syllable sounds.
[12:01.900 --> 12:03.780]  The next one's 13.
[12:03.780 --> 12:09.300]  When you read it, it went da-da-da da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da.
[12:09.300 --> 12:14.640]  Da-da-da-da da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
[12:14.640 --> 12:21.820]  da-da-da-da da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
[12:21.820 --> 12:28.120]  The mind internally, not on a conscious level, picks up the pattern.
[12:28.120 --> 12:34.680]  If you're familiar with iambic pedameter, it's a meter.
[12:34.680 --> 12:42.680]  So you read each of these lines and you expect there to be a certain number of syllable sounds.
[12:42.680 --> 12:49.200]  It rings in the mind in a way that really doesn't come to consciousness.
[12:49.200 --> 12:54.820]  Another really neat trick is alliteration.
[12:54.820 --> 12:59.940]  Rhyme rings in the mind and it's noticeable.
[12:59.940 --> 13:02.820]  But alliteration doesn't.
[13:02.820 --> 13:09.540]  Alliteration is where you rhyme a syllable, some syllable other than the last syllable
[13:09.540 --> 13:11.820]  in a word.
[13:11.820 --> 13:17.180]  Chew and string.
[13:17.180 --> 13:24.500]  Just like that, I have some others but I don't say them on the radio, shoot and shinola.
[13:24.500 --> 13:26.020]  That's the one way I say it.
[13:26.020 --> 13:28.420]  That's alliteration.
[13:28.420 --> 13:32.020]  It has a way of sticking in the mind.
[13:32.020 --> 13:42.460]  If you take a piece of prose and set it to meter and then go back to the prose and look
[13:42.460 --> 13:50.140]  for where you have similar syllable sounds, primarily consonant sounds.
[13:50.140 --> 13:54.260]  You have assonance and consonance.
[13:54.260 --> 13:58.620]  Assonance is alliteration of vowels.
[13:58.620 --> 14:01.860]  Consonance is alliteration of consonance.
[14:01.860 --> 14:04.900]  Consonant sounds work better than vowel sounds.
[14:04.900 --> 14:15.340]  But either one of those where it's not the end of the word but where that a word in one
[14:15.340 --> 14:23.940]  part of the sentence and another part of the sentence always land on the same syllable
[14:23.940 --> 14:30.740]  count that is so subtle conscious mind are never picked up.
[14:30.740 --> 14:33.100]  But the inner mind will.
[14:33.100 --> 14:37.900]  The inner mind will find pattern and rhythm.
[14:37.900 --> 14:42.860]  I worked on this letter to the chief of police for a couple of months but once I finished
[14:42.860 --> 14:54.260]  with it, everybody I handed it to read the entire letter top to bottom without stopping.
[14:54.260 --> 14:59.620]  It's very seldom they give somebody a piece of writing and they read the whole thing.
[14:59.620 --> 15:03.300]  They'll read something, they'll notice something and they'll ask me a question about it.
[15:03.300 --> 15:06.460]  And they'll read it and they'll ask me another question.
[15:06.460 --> 15:11.780]  Each time they stop and ask me a question, I've screwed up.
[15:11.780 --> 15:18.420]  There was a question that came into the mind of the reader that I didn't answer or there
[15:18.420 --> 15:26.360]  was a pattern in the structure of the writing that the reader tripped over.
[15:26.360 --> 15:30.300]  So it bumped the mind out of the content.
[15:30.300 --> 15:35.860]  If I want to trigger amnesia, I'll use a tool just like that.
[15:35.860 --> 15:42.340]  There's a seminar I like to do on psychology on this rubber ball theory that I've read
[15:42.340 --> 15:45.020]  about on the radio before.
[15:45.020 --> 15:52.660]  But in a set up for it, I tell everybody that I spent most of my life looking for the truth.
[15:52.660 --> 15:59.340]  And it was my opinion that if something was true, it would always come up true.
[15:59.340 --> 16:03.700]  So I spent a lot of time looking around and I found it.
[16:03.700 --> 16:05.540]  All you gurus stand aside.
[16:05.540 --> 16:06.540]  I found it.
[16:06.540 --> 16:08.820]  I found the truth.
[16:08.820 --> 16:13.220]  I found the truth beyond delusion, beyond illusion.
[16:13.220 --> 16:21.460]  I found the truth and in my experience, only one thing comes up absolutely true all of
[16:21.460 --> 16:24.020]  the time.
[16:24.020 --> 16:31.620]  And that is, nothing's true all the time.
[16:31.620 --> 16:33.740]  So you have to be careful.
[16:33.740 --> 16:36.140]  You have to guard the door to your mind.
[16:36.140 --> 16:38.700]  Okay, we are about to go to break.
[16:38.700 --> 16:42.260]  This is Randy Helton, Steve Skidmore, Ruvalau Radio.
[16:42.260 --> 16:46.100]  I call it number 512-646-1984.
[16:46.100 --> 16:51.140]  We'll come back on the other side, I'll explain to you what I just did there.
[16:51.140 --> 16:56.420]  That was a very specific structure designed to elicit amnesia.
[16:56.420 --> 17:00.940]  I'll explain why when we get back.
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[19:12.900 --> 19:18.540]  Well don't let nothing get to you, only the father can't believe by you, don't let back
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[19:35.420 --> 19:59.380]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore. We're on radio. We're talking about how to
[19:59.380 --> 20:09.340]  use language, different tools we can use to generate more effective language. Now,
[20:09.340 --> 20:18.060]  what I presented when we went out, that's a tool I use when I'm trying to install
[20:18.060 --> 20:24.780]  something in the mind of the listener in a way that the listener will not be able
[20:24.780 --> 20:31.100]  to consciously examine what I was just talking about, because I'll do that and
[20:31.100 --> 20:39.180]  then later on in the seminar, I'll do another one. I will tell them that there
[20:39.180 --> 20:46.460]  is no such thing as good and evil. Okay, okay. Maybe there is such a thing as good
[20:46.460 --> 20:54.060]  and evil, but you will find that if you act as if there isn't any such thing as
[20:54.060 --> 21:01.300]  good and evil, that it works very well. And then I have somebody kick the door
[21:01.300 --> 21:07.180]  open and say, hey, somebody left their lights on. Bam, pattern interruption. Got
[21:07.180 --> 21:11.660]  everybody's attention. Everybody's digging in their pockets and trying to think
[21:11.660 --> 21:15.360]  back. Did I turn the lights off when I parked? Now I say, what was it? Oh, it's a
[21:15.360 --> 21:18.660]  white avalanche. Oh, that's mine. I'll throw them the keys. Now go on to
[21:18.660 --> 21:26.220]  something else. You will get total amnesia for what I just did to you. What
[21:26.220 --> 21:32.740]  I did was when I said, I look for the truth and only found one thing that came
[21:32.740 --> 21:40.440]  up absolutely true all of the time. That was to make you incredulous. First thing
[21:40.440 --> 21:46.900]  I get you to do is pay attention to what I'm saying that in order to affect
[21:46.900 --> 21:50.340]  someone, first thing you do is get your attention. How many people have went to a
[21:50.340 --> 21:56.340]  party is introduced to 50 people and don't remember two people's names. The
[21:56.340 --> 21:59.820]  reason you don't is because you got so much going on you never heard them in
[21:59.820 --> 22:05.820]  the first place. You didn't stop long enough to focus your attention on the
[22:05.820 --> 22:11.660]  name. So it just, it was just a sound that passed you. It never got locked in
[22:11.660 --> 22:18.620]  your mind. There are tools for doing that and the tools simply go to how to get
[22:18.620 --> 22:23.700]  your mind to pay attention to something. And that increases with age, by the way.
[22:23.700 --> 22:31.100]  Yes, it does. Okay, so the first thing I want to do is get your attention and by
[22:31.100 --> 22:34.140]  but in order to get your attention, I make a statement that makes you
[22:34.140 --> 22:41.540]  incredulous. Sure, jump over here. It's got it all figured out. Excuse me. And then
[22:41.540 --> 22:47.700]  I propose a logical paradox that I figured out the truth. And while you're
[22:47.700 --> 22:52.980]  thinking, hey, give me a break. And in my experience, there is only one thing that
[22:52.980 --> 23:01.140]  comes up absolutely true. And that is nothing's true. I propose the logical
[23:01.140 --> 23:08.980]  paradox that has the effect of a pattern interruption. And in the presentation of
[23:08.980 --> 23:18.220]  the paradox, everybody recognizes a grain of truth in that. And what you will do is
[23:18.220 --> 23:23.860]  go up inside and do what in psychology we call trans derivational search. You'll
[23:23.860 --> 23:29.740]  go look up inside to find a way to make sense out of what I just said. And
[23:29.740 --> 23:34.580]  generally take you about, if I do a nice pattern interruption with it, when I
[23:34.580 --> 23:39.980]  send that, that interrupts you and sends you up inside. And if I did it well, it
[23:39.980 --> 23:45.340]  will take you about three seconds. You notice when I delivered that I said, you
[23:45.340 --> 23:53.180]  know, only one thing come up absolutely true. And that is nothing's true. One, two,
[23:53.180 --> 24:01.260]  three, all the time. I give you closure. You go up inside, search for a way to
[24:01.260 --> 24:07.300]  make that make sense. And then I give you a closure all the time. So you have to be
[24:07.300 --> 24:11.900]  careful. You have to guard the door to your mind. And then the music stepped in
[24:11.900 --> 24:18.580]  right in time. Then I was able to shift over to Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore,
[24:18.580 --> 24:23.500]  blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, pattern interruption went to something else. Now
[24:23.500 --> 24:28.620]  I come back later and I tell them, you know, as all this talk about good and
[24:28.620 --> 24:35.020]  evil, everybody's always passing judgment about it. I do this big huff and puff
[24:35.020 --> 24:39.820]  and glee up. And then I say, ah, that's all a bunch of nonsense. There is no such
[24:39.820 --> 24:50.380]  thing as good and evil. Now I've proposed a paradox. Now I've done that before.
[24:50.380 --> 24:59.820]  There is no such thing as good and evil. And I stop. You expect just like when you
[24:59.820 --> 25:08.340]  set something to meter, you're expecting me after this pause to give closure. And
[25:08.340 --> 25:13.380]  I do. Well, maybe there is such a thing as good and evil, but you'll find if you
[25:13.380 --> 25:17.900]  act as if it doesn't, it works very well. And then I have somebody kick the door
[25:17.900 --> 25:22.820]  open. So I do another battery interruption. You get amnesia for that. I
[25:22.820 --> 25:26.100]  do the pattern in Russia. Then I move on to something else. You don't get the
[25:26.100 --> 25:31.820]  opportunity to consciously analyze what I just said. I just opened up your mind
[25:32.020 --> 25:37.900]  and stuck it in there. What you just explained, I have seen in so many court
[25:37.900 --> 25:45.900]  proceedings by bank lawyers. I can't count. Watch your TV commercials. They
[25:45.900 --> 25:54.580]  use this garbage all the time. Now this is a very effective tool to transmit good
[25:54.580 --> 26:02.460]  information out. I can't get you to accept some nonsense. It's not true. All
[26:02.460 --> 26:05.580]  this stuff about people being able to hypnotize you, get you to all this
[26:05.580 --> 26:11.140]  stupid stuff. That's nonsense. Most people when they're hypnotized in in
[26:11.140 --> 26:16.340]  the process of being hypnotized, they're always aware of what's going on. You
[26:16.340 --> 26:23.620]  don't blitz out and go somewhere else. All the hypnotist does is help someone
[26:23.620 --> 26:29.340]  to focus what they're paying attention to. You can't get them to do anything
[26:29.340 --> 26:34.500]  that that violates the moral code. You just can't do that because we'll catch
[26:34.500 --> 26:42.340]  you. We are very good at catching people trying to manipulate us. That, we
[26:42.340 --> 26:47.300]  can catch you really easily. So a hypnotist, if he ever does that, you'll
[26:47.300 --> 26:52.540]  lose rapport with the person he's working with. Anytime you do hypnosis,
[26:52.540 --> 27:01.420]  the hypnotist will always ask you what you want him to help you do. And if he
[27:01.420 --> 27:06.220]  does something that goes to some other place, man, you'll pop out a rapport
[27:06.220 --> 27:12.220]  immediately. So all this stuff about them, you know, what you see on TV about
[27:12.220 --> 27:17.980]  what they will do with hypnosis, that's nonsense. But there are some subtle
[27:17.980 --> 27:27.660]  things we can do to help people understand things better. And in using
[27:27.660 --> 27:33.580]  these kinds of tools, pacing, leading, reality stacking, analog marking,
[27:36.820 --> 27:40.420]  assonance, consonance, alliteration, rhyme and me, or anybody who wants to
[27:40.420 --> 27:46.580]  write well should study poetry. I personally never got into poetry. I hate
[27:46.580 --> 27:52.620]  poetry. I just don't get it. But the tools they use, the technical tools they
[27:52.620 --> 28:00.460]  use are very powerful. When you write something, read through what you've
[28:00.460 --> 28:11.740]  written and try to anticipate what the language you're using, what effect it
[28:11.740 --> 28:17.660]  will have on the mind of the reader. Where does what you're writing generate
[28:17.660 --> 28:23.380]  a question in the mind of the reader? If you generate a question in the mind of
[28:23.380 --> 28:31.140]  your reader, and you don't immediately answer that question, now you have caused
[28:31.140 --> 28:38.580]  a pattern interruption in your reader. If you're talking, and I say something
[28:38.580 --> 28:42.740]  that creates a question in your mind, how many of you have been at a seminar
[28:43.140 --> 28:47.500]  where somebody said something and you got this question and you want to raise
[28:47.500 --> 28:53.420]  your hand and ask this question? You don't hear anything after that, because
[28:53.420 --> 28:59.900]  he's caused a pattern interruption. And you need this answer before you can move
[28:59.900 --> 29:05.740]  ahead, so mentally you're stopped. If we're writing, we have time. I do
[29:05.740 --> 29:12.380]  seminars and I do this to people all the time. And it annoys me that I do that. I
[29:12.380 --> 29:16.780]  struggle not to do it, but when you're talking, you're moving so quickly. It's
[29:16.780 --> 29:21.340]  sometimes hard not to, but when you're writing, you got time to go back and read
[29:21.340 --> 29:25.900]  it and look for those places where you'll create a question in the mind of
[29:25.900 --> 29:31.100]  the reader, or like an acronym. An acronym will always stop the reader. They have to
[29:31.100 --> 29:35.380]  stop and make sure what that acronym means. And that causes a pattern
[29:35.380 --> 29:40.380]  interruption and they forget everything. They were reading. Hang on, Randy Kelton,
[29:40.380 --> 29:46.380]  Steve Skidmore, we have our radio. Kevin, I see you there. We will pick you up on the
[29:46.380 --> 29:51.900]  other side. I'll talk about this another time. I'll try to get my presentation a
[29:51.900 --> 29:58.700]  little more coherent. I'm working on it. We'll be right back.
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[33:27.260 --> 33:56.500]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio, and if this
[33:56.500 --> 34:04.260]  presentation is a little bit disjointed, it's because making a presentation like
[34:04.260 --> 34:10.500]  this on the radio is different than having regular conversation. You can't
[34:10.500 --> 34:17.060]  jump in and tell me when what I'm saying doesn't make sense. So while I'm trying
[34:17.060 --> 34:27.660]  to present something, I have to try to estimate or anticipate the questions I'm
[34:27.660 --> 34:34.460]  going to bring up. I have to figure out how to stitch these pieces together so
[34:34.460 --> 34:40.820]  that it'll make sense to my listener and a lot of times I just get lost. So I
[34:40.820 --> 34:45.620]  didn't have to do it a few times and each time I do it, I get pieces of it put
[34:45.620 --> 34:51.300]  together and it generally takes me ten or fifteen times to get something
[34:51.300 --> 34:57.980]  structured. You need to write a timeline, Randy. Yes, I need a lot of timeline. Okay,
[34:57.980 --> 35:07.820]  we're gonna go to Kevin in Tejas. Hi, Randy. Hola, howdy Kevin. What do you have
[35:07.820 --> 35:15.460]  for us today? Well, my son got a ticket in an area outside of Austin toward the
[35:15.460 --> 35:25.140]  lake for an illegal left turn to avoid a traffic light and we were actually going
[35:25.140 --> 35:33.580]  to a restaurant in the parking lot. There was a no left turn sign there but we
[35:33.580 --> 35:38.900]  didn't see the cops so I told them to take the turn and as we were taking that
[35:38.900 --> 35:51.380]  turn, we found a cop. So we went to the court and I didn't really handle it
[35:51.380 --> 36:02.100]  right. We said we wanted a jury trial so they set us up for a
[36:02.100 --> 36:11.100]  pre-trial about a week and a half ago and I had my son draw up some motions
[36:11.100 --> 36:18.900]  like motion to dismiss, then a motion to ask for the video and audio of the cop
[36:18.900 --> 36:32.540]  car and motion to ask for. My son's got all the notes. That's called discovery. Yeah, discovery.
[36:32.540 --> 36:39.900]  And a discovery for the peace officer training. Okay, hold on, hold on. Have you
[36:39.900 --> 36:50.580]  ever heard of Juris Dictionary? Yeah, I have heard of it. If you're going to try
[36:50.580 --> 36:55.100]  to fight these, you need to get that. Well, you know, he showed up for the
[36:55.100 --> 37:02.220]  pre-trial and they said the power was off on the court although he said all
[37:02.220 --> 37:08.220]  the lights were on in it and they sent him a letter rescheduling the
[37:08.220 --> 37:15.140]  pre-trial and the citation lists the offensive building code violation and
[37:15.140 --> 37:23.380]  failure to appear. Wait a minute, you're confusing me now. You did not give me
[37:23.380 --> 37:29.820]  referential index that little bomb you just dropped on me. Yeah, we started
[37:29.820 --> 37:35.580]  off with a traffic violation and wound up with a code violation. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[37:35.580 --> 37:41.780]  Okay, you have to know when you said that, that was going to cause a
[37:41.780 --> 37:48.580]  pattern interruption. That was a pattern interruption, definitely. You just tripped me and knocked me flat on my face.
[37:48.580 --> 37:58.540]  Now let's back up and tell that again so that the question that is going to come
[37:58.540 --> 38:07.700]  to my mind when you say that is already either answered or I'm prepared to
[38:07.700 --> 38:16.380]  expect to this kind of a change in direction. That's what the letter from the
[38:16.380 --> 38:26.620]  municipal court says. It lists a citation number, four different cause numbers, offense.
[38:26.620 --> 38:34.620]  Okay, what were you originally pulled over for? For illegal left turn to avoid a traffic light.
[38:34.620 --> 38:40.620]  Okay, going through a parking lot or what? Define that illegal turn.
[38:40.620 --> 38:44.620]  For illegal left turn into a parking light to avoid a traffic light.
[38:44.620 --> 38:56.140]  Gotcha, okay. What is the number of the statute? That was another thing we put
[38:56.140 --> 39:05.140]  a motion of discovery in was the exact statute number. Okay, that goes to demand
[39:05.140 --> 39:14.860]  for nature and cause. Demand for nature and cause. Okay, let's go back to illegal
[39:14.860 --> 39:21.260]  left-hand turn ticket. You show up on the first time and they claim technical
[39:21.260 --> 39:27.540]  difficulties with the court, put it off. Actually, that was the second time. The
[39:27.540 --> 39:33.780]  first time they set us up for a pretrial and then so when he showed up for the
[39:33.780 --> 39:39.060]  pretrial they said the power was off in the court and they sent us notice for
[39:39.060 --> 39:44.380]  the reschedule. Okay, that's what I said. The first time they had technical
[39:44.380 --> 39:51.020]  difficulties, power off, whatever. Right. Then what happened after that? Then we
[39:51.020 --> 39:57.060]  got this letter saying that the offense was building code violation failure to
[39:57.060 --> 40:05.820]  appear. You said there were four different offenses on this notice? Right, four different cause numbers. One
[40:05.820 --> 40:14.140]  citation with four different cause numbers. Okay, under each cause number
[40:14.140 --> 40:21.340]  there's, for each cause number there should be a statute attached to it and the alleged
[40:21.340 --> 40:33.140]  violation of it. No, this is the, actually I don't, should I say which municipal court it is? Yeah. It's
[40:33.140 --> 40:38.060]  like way. These are public officials, they have no expectation of privacy. It's
[40:38.060 --> 40:44.420]  Lake Way Municipal Court. Okay. And I'm thinking they're probably not going to want to have a
[40:44.420 --> 40:49.580]  bunch of rich Lake Way people come sit on a jury for a hundred thirty dollar
[40:49.580 --> 40:56.940]  ticket. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. You've got a, what was this notice? Was it a
[40:56.940 --> 41:07.100]  notice to appear? Well, let's say, I guess it's actually a rescheduling. It doesn't
[41:07.100 --> 41:14.580]  really say rescheduling, but it just says. Okay, you need to really understand what you're looking at.
[41:14.580 --> 41:25.780]  Is it, does it tell you to appear on the court at a given day? Right. That's called a
[41:25.780 --> 41:36.300]  notice to appear. Okay, you're confusing me. You need to go through your dictionary. If you're
[41:36.300 --> 41:45.260]  going to fight the case, so you better understand the basics. Jurisdictionary explains what
[41:45.260 --> 41:50.940]  motions are, explains what pleadings are, how to file a motion, when to file a motion,
[41:50.940 --> 41:57.460]  how to get a motion set for hearing. All this basic stuff that lawyers don't learn in law
[41:57.460 --> 42:07.900]  school. There's any seminar material too. Yeah, absolutely. This is much better call for Monday
[42:07.900 --> 42:19.460]  night. Eddie does traffic. We don't do traffic. We do do process, but the traffic courts are
[42:19.460 --> 42:30.580]  really, really corrupt. They are the, they're the most corrupt courts of all. They could care less
[42:30.580 --> 42:39.900]  what the law is, but it's a really good place to get a legal education and you can have great fun
[42:39.900 --> 42:50.020]  with it, kicking their behinds, but you kind of kind of understand what's going on. And well,
[42:50.020 --> 42:57.540]  as far as this letter though, if they're saying it's a building code violation. Okay. See, I'm
[42:57.540 --> 43:04.380]  trying to get enough information to understand what's going on. You show up. This is a notice
[43:04.380 --> 43:12.100]  to appear for, this is not for trial. I'm trying to figure out the best way to hammer on for
[43:12.100 --> 43:21.100]  sending you this. If you show up and they say, Oh, we made a mistake. Then you send them a bill
[43:21.100 --> 43:30.860]  for your time. So can't we send them a bill for the first time he showed up and they said,
[43:30.860 --> 43:37.260]  no, no, no, not if they had a good cause. And if they had power outages, that's something that's
[43:37.260 --> 43:44.420]  out of their control. So you can't claim that it was negligence on their part, but by sending you
[43:44.420 --> 43:51.500]  the wrong notice to appear that their fault, hang on Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Steve
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[46:41.380 --> 46:51.380]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, and we're talking to Kevin in Texas. Okay,
[46:51.380 --> 47:01.020]  Kevin. Yes. I suggest you call in to the Monday night show. You are in Austin or around Austin.
[47:01.020 --> 47:10.620]  You might go to Brave New Books on Sunday evening, to Eddie's traffic seminar. 1904
[47:10.620 --> 47:17.460]  Guadalupe, downtown Austin, Texas, right there at MLK and Guadalupe. Yeah, he will show you
[47:17.460 --> 47:24.460]  how to take these guys on. This is a great place to get a legal education, to find out
[47:24.460 --> 47:32.460]  how the courts really work and how to deal with the courts. The best thing it will do
[47:32.460 --> 47:43.300]  is get you over your trepidation for walking up in front of a judge. People, when they
[47:43.300 --> 47:48.980]  go before a judge for the first time, tend to be terrified. It took me a while to figure
[47:48.980 --> 47:56.340]  out what was going on. We go to school for 12 years of a government-mandated school system.
[47:56.340 --> 48:02.340]  While they tell us about all the great and wonderful rights they have, they very clearly
[48:02.340 --> 48:06.060]  demonstrate to us, don't you even think of trying to express one of those while you're
[48:06.060 --> 48:11.620]  in this school, or the whole weight of the system of land rights square on your head.
[48:11.620 --> 48:16.780]  We spend 12 years of that hypocrisy. We get out in the real world. We don't have any more
[48:16.780 --> 48:23.420]  to do with public officials, except rare occasions. Then we get a ticket. We have to go down
[48:23.420 --> 48:32.260]  to court. Well, you look inside for tools you have available for dealing with these
[48:32.260 --> 48:38.900]  kinds of situations. For the most part, the only thing we have is school. You walk up
[48:38.900 --> 48:45.860]  in front of this judge and you feel all these butterflies and your hands are shaking. If
[48:45.860 --> 48:54.580]  you'll think about it, think back to the last time you were sent to the principal. Same
[48:54.580 --> 49:00.900]  thing. The only response that you have for dealing with public officials is what you
[49:00.900 --> 49:08.100]  learned in school. That is not appropriate anymore. We need to get over that. We need
[49:08.100 --> 49:19.020]  to be able to juxtapose the response set we used when we sent before the principal with
[49:19.020 --> 49:25.660]  the response set we use when we go to the principal. Want to know what the heck are
[49:25.660 --> 49:35.740]  you doing with my kids? You chomp. That pulls up a whole different set of response patterns.
[49:35.740 --> 49:40.820]  It's a little bit difficult to do that. It takes a little bit of experience. Fighting
[49:40.820 --> 49:47.220]  a ticket is a great way to get over that. What's he going to do? He's going to charge
[49:47.220 --> 49:52.620]  you what he was going to charge you anyway. This is no news. You get to go down there
[49:52.620 --> 49:55.660]  and beat him up and jerk him around and just have a great time.
[49:55.660 --> 50:05.980]  They're claiming he's going to have to pay court costs if he takes it to a jury trial.
[50:05.980 --> 50:13.180]  Six bucks? They were claiming like $137 and they said he'd have to pay the cops overtime.
[50:13.180 --> 50:20.620]  No, you don't either. They're lying to him. That's the first thing you got to understand.
[50:20.620 --> 50:26.220]  Make your recorder with you. They tell you something like that. You tell them, I'm an
[50:26.220 --> 50:31.980]  old guy and my hearing ain't what it used to be. Will you look and speak clearly into
[50:31.980 --> 50:39.900]  my pen, please? Make sure you have a pen in your pocket. If they think they're being recorded,
[50:39.900 --> 50:46.860]  that'll change their attitude. They'll lie to you if their lips are moving their lives.
[50:46.860 --> 50:53.660]  Don't believe anything to say. Never talk to them on the phone. Do everything in writing
[50:53.660 --> 51:00.740]  because they'll just lie to you. Don't go down there and talk to them. If you go down
[51:00.740 --> 51:06.220]  to the court and the prosecutor wants to go back in chambers and talk to you, don't ever
[51:06.220 --> 51:14.220]  do that. Absolutely not. Last time I had a judge and a prosecutor want to go back in
[51:14.220 --> 51:19.500]  chambers, this is where I'd kind of hammered them in court. They wanted to have a discussion
[51:19.500 --> 51:26.100]  in chambers. I told the judge, not going to happen. If you've got something that can't
[51:26.100 --> 51:32.460]  be said in this open courtroom, don't say it. I don't want to hear it. Well, I'm sorry
[51:32.460 --> 51:38.220]  to hear you feel that way. Why I feel that way? We ain't going back there where you guys
[51:38.220 --> 51:43.620]  can make up some lying BS story. They didn't throw me in jail for what I didn't do. We
[51:43.620 --> 51:47.900]  ain't going back there. We ain't going back there and have you threaten and try to threaten
[51:47.900 --> 51:52.300]  and intimidate me. Ain't going to happen. If you want to threaten me, do it in paper
[51:52.300 --> 51:58.220]  or do it out here in front of everybody. But it's good practice. You get more comfortable
[51:58.220 --> 52:07.580]  dealing with them. Well, can you ask it to be of the record for a pretrial? Wait, say
[52:07.580 --> 52:16.660]  that again. Can you ask the proceeding to be of the record for pretrial? It depends
[52:16.660 --> 52:26.860]  on whether or not the court is a court of record. You have to check with the courts.
[52:26.860 --> 52:32.300]  Most of these municipal courts have made themselves courts of records so that you can't get an
[52:32.300 --> 52:39.060]  automatic appeal. You have to appeal on a writ of error. So if they're a court of record,
[52:39.060 --> 52:48.460]  then they have to have one. But I always ask the judge if the court recorder has any hearing
[52:48.460 --> 52:56.860]  disabilities. And in Austin, they asked me what made me think that the court clerk, the
[52:56.860 --> 52:59.900]  court reporter had a hearing disability. I said, well, I'll talk to people who've been
[52:59.900 --> 53:05.020]  in the court here. And it seems like every time the judge does something really stupid
[53:05.020 --> 53:13.420]  or illegal, the court recorder winds up with a hearing disability, doesn't hear that part.
[53:13.420 --> 53:22.020]  Oh, that was so much fun. They assured me that the court recorder did not have a hearing
[53:22.020 --> 53:29.220]  difficulty. That way I get to warn them about screwing with the record. But bring your own,
[53:29.220 --> 53:34.980]  bring somebody there to take notes. Have somebody come in, sit right in the front row and just
[53:34.980 --> 53:40.540]  take furious notes. Doesn't matter if they're just scribbling on the paper. They keep looking
[53:40.540 --> 53:46.980]  up at them and writing real fast. So they think you have a written transcript that keeps
[53:46.980 --> 53:54.260]  them from lying like dogs. Is it legal to have a recorder there? Yes, but they will
[53:54.260 --> 54:01.740]  tell you it's not. So you bring the recorder, you set it on the table. And when the judge
[54:01.740 --> 54:08.420]  raises an objection, you remind him about Glick v. Cunifor. That Supreme Court said
[54:08.420 --> 54:15.700]  that it is a fundamental First Amendment right to record our public officials in the performance
[54:15.700 --> 54:22.020]  of their duty. Well, he probably won't care and he'll deny you the right to record it.
[54:22.020 --> 54:26.780]  Then when you leave the courtroom, you file criminal charges against the judge for exerting
[54:26.780 --> 54:31.460]  or purporting to exert an authority he doesn't expressly have and denying you your First
[54:31.460 --> 54:39.940]  Amendment right. Have you listened to this show much? Quite a bit. Then you're familiar
[54:39.940 --> 54:46.740]  with how to set up a public official so you can file criminal charges against him. What
[54:46.740 --> 54:53.140]  did he say? I said, are you familiar with how to set up a public official so that you
[54:53.140 --> 55:01.140]  can file criminal charges against him? He went up to that judge in Hazel and said, yeah,
[55:01.140 --> 55:12.700]  I'm not here. He was really a nice guy. And I really enjoyed jerking him around. But you
[55:12.700 --> 55:19.020]  can do that. And once you kind of get the feel for it, the only problem you have is
[55:19.020 --> 55:27.180]  it gets to be way too much fun. But they set themselves up for it all the time. So I would
[55:27.180 --> 55:38.460]  suggest that you go to Eddie Seminar or get a Seminar material and go to his Sunday evening
[55:38.460 --> 55:43.300]  presentations. He will give you lots of good information, lots of stuff you can do to these
[55:43.300 --> 55:51.380]  guys. It'll make tickets a lot more fun and it'll make it the great legal, best legal
[55:51.380 --> 55:58.020]  education you can get. If you heard the guy earlier, he had four or five felonies against
[55:58.020 --> 56:07.500]  him. He had no clue of what to do to protect himself. You fight two or three of these tickets
[56:07.500 --> 56:12.060]  and let them throw all their garbage at you. You come back at them with all kinds of stuff.
[56:12.060 --> 56:17.980]  When something more serious happens, you're going to be ready for them. You pretty well
[56:17.980 --> 56:23.660]  understand how the system works. You can learn it in the traffic courts and keep the best
[56:23.660 --> 56:35.620]  legal education you'll ever get. It's like OJT. Yeah. Besides, it can be so much fun.
[56:35.620 --> 56:44.620]  My last escapade was I went into a court in Mansfield. It was a JP court. And in the hearing
[56:44.620 --> 56:51.940]  before me, I stood up and the judge finally saw me standing there and he looked up and
[56:51.940 --> 56:58.620]  he said, can I help you? I said, yes, my name is Randall Kelton and I have a hearing disability.
[56:58.620 --> 57:02.580]  He said, well, Mr. Kelton, just what's wrong with your hearing? Well, judge, I was down
[57:02.580 --> 57:07.420]  in Mexico the other day and had a little too much of that tequila and I lost my hearing
[57:07.420 --> 57:15.500]  aid. Well, why are you telling me this, Mr. Kelton? I said, well, your honor, I need accommodation.
[57:15.500 --> 57:20.940]  Do you have accommodation for the hearing impaired? He said, no, we don't. I said, well,
[57:20.940 --> 57:28.940]  can you turn up your sound system? No, we can't. Well, then will you speak up? He did.
[57:28.940 --> 57:32.820]  He yelled at the bailiff, if Mr. Kelton doesn't say, shut up, you're going to throw him out
[57:32.820 --> 57:39.380]  of this court. So I sat down and shut up. Then I had my hearing and when I went out,
[57:39.380 --> 57:44.940]  I told the bailiff, you come with me. I go out, the bailiff comes out. I wanted to arrest
[57:44.940 --> 57:53.620]  the judge for failing to provide accommodation for the Americans under the Americans with
[57:53.620 --> 58:02.260]  Disabilities Act. I wanted to arrest the judge for Class A misdemeanor, official oppression.
[58:02.260 --> 58:12.940]  That was so much fun. So the judge knew I did that specifically to set him up. I gave
[58:12.940 --> 58:23.660]  him an opportunity to commit a crime and he was very accommodating. Okay. This is Randy
[58:23.660 --> 58:33.460]  Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Deborah Stevens, Root of Law Radio. Our call in number, 512-646-1984.
[58:33.460 --> 58:39.620]  We've got another hour. We'll keep the phones open all night. Give us a call. In Germany,
[58:39.620 --> 58:43.220]  we start getting a lot of calls toward the end. So if you've got a question or comment,
[58:43.220 --> 58:47.460]  give us a call. We'll be right back.
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[01:03:26.300 --> 01:03:46.620]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, and the call board is open. So I'm going to
[01:03:46.620 --> 01:03:53.060]  go back to talking about language, use of language, writing, some of the things to do
[01:03:53.060 --> 01:04:04.020]  when you're writing motions. If you're going to write a motion or a pleading, always write
[01:04:04.020 --> 01:04:11.020]  as if you're writing to an eighth grader. And that's not meant as any kind of criticism
[01:04:11.020 --> 01:04:16.940]  of the judges. I'm not saying that they have the mentality of an eighth grader. What I'm
[01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:25.020]  saying is that they are busy. They've got a lot of pleadings to read. And they don't
[01:04:25.020 --> 01:04:32.940]  have time to try to dig in your pleading and figure out what it means. What it means needs
[01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:40.980]  to be very clear. I was in a hearing once for Robert Fox, and Robert kind of rambles
[01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:49.580]  in his pleadings. And they had four pleadings for Robert that I had written, and five or
[01:04:49.580 --> 01:04:54.700]  six that Robert had written. And they pulled out Robert's, they were going through his
[01:04:54.700 --> 01:05:01.220]  and the prosecutor would say, well, your honor, I'm not sure what this one is. But I think
[01:05:01.220 --> 01:05:06.820]  it's this. So we'll call it this. And they did that with all of his. They got to mine
[01:05:06.820 --> 01:05:12.420]  and looked at it. Oh, your honor, we need to have an evidence hearing on these. There
[01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:18.660]  was no question as to what mine were, because I had written it in very simple language,
[01:05:18.660 --> 01:05:25.340]  as straightforward as I could with these tools I had been talking about earlier. So the first
[01:05:25.340 --> 01:05:30.180]  thing you need to do is write for an eighth grader. Write so somebody can read through
[01:05:30.180 --> 01:05:42.940]  it one time and not get a bunch of questions in their mind that aren't answered. And then
[01:05:42.940 --> 01:05:48.500]  before you write a pleading, if you're going to try to represent yourself or write your
[01:05:48.500 --> 01:05:54.620]  own pleadings, the first thing you should do is get on the phone and call a couple of
[01:05:54.620 --> 01:06:04.460]  law firms and make up a story. Tell them you've got a daughter in high school and she's writing
[01:06:04.460 --> 01:06:15.900]  a paper on the legal process. And she heard about litigation guides. Do you guys have
[01:06:15.900 --> 01:06:25.060]  any old litigation guides laying around that she could use as stuff to take to school to
[01:06:25.060 --> 01:06:32.180]  show the students about what they are and how they're used and stuff? I told a woman
[01:06:32.180 --> 01:06:42.120]  in Amarillo to do this and she did. The second law firm she called said, do you have a station
[01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:52.980]  wagon or a pickup truck? Because in Texas, we have litigation guides primarily by O'Connor.
[01:06:52.980 --> 01:06:59.380]  West puts out a set, but they're not near as good. DiSarnio puts out a set, but O'Connor's
[01:06:59.380 --> 01:07:08.180]  is by far the best. You have Texas civil trials, the open Texas civil trials. What kind of
[01:07:08.180 --> 01:07:13.760]  motion do you want to file? You look it up in there, you turn to that motion. It tells
[01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:19.700]  you when to file the motion, how to file the motion, how to write the motion, case law
[01:07:19.700 --> 01:07:27.860]  in support of the motion, how to argue against the motion. Everything you need for this motion,
[01:07:27.860 --> 01:07:35.420]  it's all in one place. You can go to O'Connor's forums and they have a forum for just about
[01:07:35.420 --> 01:07:42.300]  every motion you can think of. It is really, really important that you use these forums.
[01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:50.580]  If you're not in Texas, go to a lawyer in your state and find out what is the primary
[01:07:50.580 --> 01:07:58.860]  litigation guide used in the state. Find out what it is and then see if they have a set
[01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:06.260]  of standard forms. These are all fill in the blank forms. I'll tell you a story about that.
[01:08:06.260 --> 01:08:11.620]  A friend of mine, Ken Magnuson, had a foreclosure issue and he's trying to get a temporary restraining
[01:08:11.620 --> 01:08:16.860]  order. He wrote up a temporary restraining order, sent it to me and asked me to read
[01:08:16.860 --> 01:08:21.220]  it and asked me what I thought about it. I read it and I called him up. Now, Ken is the
[01:08:21.220 --> 01:08:28.780]  guy I go to for civil strategy. He is really good at civil strategy. I called him up and
[01:08:28.780 --> 01:08:34.820]  he said, what do you think of that petition for TRO? I said, it's a piece of crap, Ken.
[01:08:34.820 --> 01:08:40.420]  Oh, you think you could do better? You bet I can. So I wrote him up and sent it to him.
[01:08:40.420 --> 01:08:46.700]  He went to court. They didn't expect the other lawyers to show up, but he did. They go in,
[01:08:46.700 --> 01:08:53.980]  the judge gives him the TRO, hands the lawyers his hat. They come out of court and the lawyer
[01:08:53.980 --> 01:09:01.860]  said, are you an attorney? And he said, no, but my brother is. He said, did you write
[01:09:01.860 --> 01:09:11.780]  this? He said, well, I had some help. And the lawyer said, that is very good. And Ken
[01:09:11.780 --> 01:09:16.740]  told me that, see, I hadn't told him I used, when I wrote the form, I used O'Connor's form
[01:09:16.740 --> 01:09:25.540]  and filled in the blanks. And I thought about that. What in the world is going on? It took
[01:09:25.540 --> 01:09:31.500]  a while to occur to me what was actually happening here. And when a pro se goes in, the law firm
[01:09:31.500 --> 01:09:35.940]  will always send their youngest lawyer in there to give him some experience. And I figured
[01:09:35.940 --> 01:09:44.820]  okay, pro se's are easy to handle. So the lawyer comes in there and he's got this petition
[01:09:44.820 --> 01:09:52.460]  for a temporary restraining order and it looks exactly like the one the law firm uses. And
[01:09:52.460 --> 01:10:01.980]  he's wondering how this guy did that. He did it because the law firm used the same template.
[01:10:01.980 --> 01:10:10.100]  That's what makes it so important. You have this judge who is busy. You come in and you
[01:10:10.100 --> 01:10:18.100]  give him a motion with 20 cases he's never seen before. And the lawyer gives him a motion
[01:10:18.100 --> 01:10:25.180]  with everything exactly where he expects to see it. All the standard case law exactly
[01:10:25.180 --> 01:10:30.660]  the way he expects to see it. And they may have one issue where the lawyer has to address
[01:10:30.660 --> 01:10:36.740]  different case law. So he's got this one where he has to look at two cases and he's got yours
[01:10:36.740 --> 01:10:42.940]  where he has to figure out the whole motion he's never seen before. And you got 20 cases
[01:10:42.940 --> 01:10:50.220]  in there he's never seen. Denied. Now that may not be right. But the lawyer, the judge
[01:10:50.220 --> 01:10:55.220]  is going to say, man, I don't have time for this. Yeah, deny it. Take it to the appeals
[01:10:55.220 --> 01:11:01.660]  court if you don't like it. If you want the judge to rule in your favor. Now I know a
[01:11:01.660 --> 01:11:07.460]  lot of people are saying, well, that's not right. Yeah, that's true. It's not. That judge
[01:11:07.460 --> 01:11:14.620]  shouldn't do that. That's true. He shouldn't. But he is a human being and human beings do
[01:11:14.620 --> 01:11:23.060]  what they do. We need to understand what human beings do. You give him a motion that structure
[01:11:23.060 --> 01:11:27.260]  he's never seen before with a lot of case law he's never seen before. He is not going
[01:11:27.260 --> 01:11:34.060]  to want to read it. So get the litigation guide, pull the forms from the litigation
[01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:39.260]  guide. It will save you so much trouble. And look in the litigation guide. It has all the
[01:11:39.260 --> 01:11:47.900]  case law that you need for almost anything. And it's case law everybody uses. You ever
[01:11:47.900 --> 01:11:54.780]  go into court and these lawyers are kicking back these cases back and forth. And the judge
[01:11:54.780 --> 01:11:59.460]  and the lawyers all seem to know what those cases are. And then you go down to the legal
[01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:06.740]  library and you see these lines and lines of shelves and books. And you think how in
[01:12:06.740 --> 01:12:15.140]  the heck can these guys have all this stuff memorized? Well, they don't. Most of the lawyers
[01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:21.300]  specialize in one area. They argue the same cases over and over. They all use the same
[01:12:21.300 --> 01:12:25.860]  case law because nine percent of it's in the litigation guide. And where there's a special
[01:12:25.860 --> 01:12:33.140]  issue is one or two cases that are different. That's the trick of how they do that. So it's
[01:12:33.140 --> 01:12:39.300]  not hard to come up to speed with them. So find the litigation guide. Here in Texas,
[01:12:39.300 --> 01:12:45.540]  O'Connor's is the best one. If you have a case with a difficult issue, you might want
[01:12:45.540 --> 01:12:52.940]  to go down to the legal library and look at Darsarnio's. Darsarnio, he is still a professor
[01:12:52.940 --> 01:13:01.580]  at Baylor, but he wrote up these litigation guides and they are just packed full of case
[01:13:01.580 --> 01:13:10.080]  law. More case law than you can ever get to. So if you have a thorny issue where you need
[01:13:10.080 --> 01:13:16.660]  different case law that's readily available in the O'Connor's litigation guide, they have
[01:13:16.660 --> 01:13:21.380]  a lot of case law, but not near as much as Darsarnio. That's mostly all you need to do
[01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:29.500]  to do legal research. And you will be pulling cases from the same places that the lawyers
[01:13:29.500 --> 01:13:37.980]  pull their cases. There's a really good Darsarnio on litigation guide on quiet titles. I highly
[01:13:37.980 --> 01:13:48.340]  recommend the read. Darsarnio goes into great detail, far more than O'Connor's does, but
[01:13:48.340 --> 01:13:58.340]  O'Connor's is a better structural guide. There are sections, if you go through the O'Connor
[01:13:58.340 --> 01:14:10.820]  Civil Trials, they tell you Darsarnio's is more technical. O'Connor says, this is a motion
[01:14:10.820 --> 01:14:16.620]  for a petition for writamandamus. This is when you file a writamandamus. This is how
[01:14:16.620 --> 01:14:22.980]  you file a writamandamus. This is how it's structured. These are all of the issues. This
[01:14:22.980 --> 01:14:28.780]  is the order in which the issues need to be in the documents. It gives you all that technical
[01:14:28.780 --> 01:14:29.780]  detail.
[01:14:29.780 --> 01:14:34.780]  Then you go to the document itself and it's filled in the blanks. It doesn't get much
[01:14:34.780 --> 01:14:35.780]  easier.
[01:14:35.780 --> 01:14:40.940]  Yeah. Fill in the blanks, pick the paragraph. They'll have three paragraphs and each one
[01:14:40.940 --> 01:14:50.780]  of them, and the issue is, are you the plaintiff? Is the plaintiff an individual? Pick this
[01:14:50.780 --> 01:14:56.060]  one. If the plaintiff's a corporation, pick this one. If the plaintiff's an LLC, pick
[01:14:56.060 --> 01:15:02.300]  this one and you just pick the one that fits. Save you an incredible amount of time and
[01:15:02.300 --> 01:15:07.100]  grief and headache. Make life a whole lot easier.
[01:15:07.100 --> 01:15:16.260]  And then when you go to actually writing the documents, get some books on good writing.
[01:15:16.260 --> 01:15:23.380]  There are some techniques and I've got lots of stuff on how to write well. I'm hard headed
[01:15:23.380 --> 01:15:29.620]  so it takes me a long time to figure this stuff out, but one of the best pieces of information
[01:15:29.620 --> 01:15:39.020]  or advice on writing that I got is look at all the words in your document. If a word
[01:15:39.020 --> 01:15:48.500]  is not doing anything, take it out. And that kind of is what led me to conversational ellipsis.
[01:15:48.500 --> 01:15:57.980]  If an argument is not leading you toward your intended outcome, take it out. If you use
[01:15:57.980 --> 01:16:08.660]  language that carries connotations or implications that aren't specifically stated, take them
[01:16:08.660 --> 01:16:17.460]  out. The judge will not be happy. Don't mess with the judge. He knows his business. He's
[01:16:17.460 --> 01:16:25.780]  savvy, especially people in family though I warn them about this all the time. Be careful
[01:16:25.780 --> 01:16:32.980]  of how you try to influence the judge. People do not like to be manipulated. The judge is
[01:16:32.980 --> 01:16:37.060]  there to determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence and apply the law
[01:16:37.060 --> 01:16:43.500]  to the facts as it comes to him in the case. Whether the opponent's a nice guy, a jerk,
[01:16:43.500 --> 01:16:46.820]  don't make any difference and you shouldn't bring it up to the judge, it'll just annoy
[01:16:46.820 --> 01:16:51.180]  him. I'll pick this up when we come back on the other side. This is Randy Kelton, Steve
[01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:59.500]  Kiddmore, Rue of La Radio. I'll call it number 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:21:12.780 --> 01:21:21.740]  We need to be very careful with descriptive words that we use. There's a lot of times,
[01:21:21.740 --> 01:21:28.540]  one of the primary things that we tend to do with English language is something called
[01:21:28.540 --> 01:21:37.260]  nominalization. Nominalization is where you take a verb or an action and turn it into
[01:21:37.260 --> 01:21:49.700]  a noun. He really makes me mad. No, he don't. Mad is not something you are. It's not a
[01:21:49.700 --> 01:22:04.460]  state of being. Mad is a way of acting. It's a way of perceiving. It is a action. He makes
[01:22:04.460 --> 01:22:12.420]  me feel angry. That's more appropriate. It's hard to explain this and I have to work at
[01:22:12.420 --> 01:22:19.420]  it because we haven't talked about it on the air a lot. Mainly we take predicates and convert
[01:22:19.420 --> 01:22:27.580]  predicates into nouns. They should stay predicates. They should stay descriptive terms. Nobody
[01:22:27.580 --> 01:22:37.520]  can make you angry. If you think something makes you angry, it tends to take on a life
[01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:47.580]  of its own. If someone could make me mad, that's a state of being that I don't have
[01:22:47.580 --> 01:22:58.140]  the kind of control over that I do over an action that I take. When he does that, I feel
[01:22:58.140 --> 01:23:06.180]  angry or annoyed. When I think in terms of I feel angry or annoyed, that's something
[01:23:06.180 --> 01:23:13.020]  I have control over. But if I think of it as a state of being, I'm depressed. No, you're
[01:23:13.020 --> 01:23:21.300]  not depressed. Depression is an action. Depression is a behavior. It's not a state of being.
[01:23:21.300 --> 01:23:27.580]  Our psychiatrists and psychologists or whatever have turned depression into a noun. They've
[01:23:27.580 --> 01:23:39.380]  nominalized a behavior. It's not a noun. It's a verb. There was one particular book. A lot
[01:23:39.380 --> 01:23:46.460]  of the research I've done has been with neurolinguistic programming, but not the current neurolinguistic
[01:23:46.460 --> 01:23:56.340]  programming. Grindr and Bandelier back in the early to mid-90s, I think it was even
[01:23:56.340 --> 01:24:06.580]  further back than that, did a series of books on how the mind works. At the time, I had
[01:24:06.580 --> 01:24:18.340]  done a lot of research. Eric Byrne, Fritz Perls, Glasser, Piaget. Freud gave me a headache.
[01:24:18.340 --> 01:24:26.420]  The guy was nuts. When I read it, I said, this guy's wacko. He's been pretty well discredited.
[01:24:26.420 --> 01:24:35.980]  He really was a wacko. But when I got to Grindr and Bandelier, they were the first ones that
[01:24:35.980 --> 01:24:46.180]  treated the living mind as if it were ultimately understandable and consistent. In these works,
[01:24:46.180 --> 01:24:55.060]  one of their first works is called Structures of Magic. It was dry as gunpowder. It was
[01:24:55.060 --> 01:25:05.300]  a book written by therapists for therapists, but it was primarily about language and how
[01:25:05.300 --> 01:25:12.300]  the language works. Sometimes, there's been two or three times on the show I've had someone
[01:25:12.300 --> 01:25:25.220]  call in that was particularly distressed. I've had two that frightened me because I
[01:25:25.220 --> 01:25:32.340]  had someone that was clearly on the edge and I didn't know what to do with them. When
[01:25:32.340 --> 01:25:39.980]  I do that, I shift into a different mode. In this mode, I pay attention to the predicates
[01:25:39.980 --> 01:25:51.700]  someone uses. If you will listen to someone who is emotionally involved in an issue and
[01:25:51.700 --> 01:25:58.740]  they're talking about the issue and they're using a lot of emotional terms, start paying
[01:25:58.740 --> 01:26:08.540]  attention to the state of being terms that they use, the normalizations, or primarily
[01:26:08.540 --> 01:26:15.380]  pay attention to the predicates that they use, to the descriptive words they use. He
[01:26:15.380 --> 01:26:27.580]  makes me mad. Go to the normalization mad. What does the person mean by mad? Ask him.
[01:26:27.580 --> 01:26:32.420]  How does he make you mad? How do you act when you're mad that's different when you're
[01:26:32.420 --> 01:26:46.060]  not mad? This is a method where the actor introduces no content. This is a primary tenet
[01:26:46.060 --> 01:26:55.500]  of NLP in its beginning where they paid attention to the processes. They would say, okay, today
[01:26:55.500 --> 01:27:02.420]  we're going to do phobias. Who's got a phobia? Wait a minute. Don't tell me what it is because
[01:27:02.420 --> 01:27:09.940]  if you tell me what it is, I'll think I know something about it and I'll hallucinate. I
[01:27:09.940 --> 01:27:18.340]  will offer up to you a solution that I think would work for me and it may work for you
[01:27:18.340 --> 01:27:25.300]  and it may not, so we're not going to go there. Follow these steps. If you have a phobia,
[01:27:25.300 --> 01:27:28.540]  do this step, do this step, do this step, you get rid of the phobia. They're making
[01:27:28.540 --> 01:27:34.300]  difference what it is. They were the first one that treated the mind like it was understandable
[01:27:34.300 --> 01:27:41.340]  and with phobias, what they did was a triple disassociation and once you see what they
[01:27:41.340 --> 01:27:48.020]  do, it was absolutely obvious. I used to really frustrate my wife when we were, our kids were
[01:27:48.020 --> 01:27:58.180]  growing up and I told her, treat your children like really, really smart dogs, a dog that
[01:27:58.180 --> 01:28:08.780]  you love dearly. Now, if a dog makes a dump in the floor, you don't go into all of the
[01:28:08.780 --> 01:28:16.380]  deep-seated psychological implications of that. You say, this is a dog and if you bring
[01:28:16.380 --> 01:28:20.980]  the dog in and make loud noises, it doesn't make any difference what you say and you point
[01:28:20.980 --> 01:28:26.980]  the dog's nose at the dump in the floor and you make really loud noises so the dog understands
[01:28:26.980 --> 01:28:31.100]  you're unhappy and you take the dog outside. You learn to start doing it out the floor
[01:28:31.100 --> 01:28:37.940]  and you start doing it outside. Dogs do that. If a cow takes a dump in the house, get him
[01:28:37.940 --> 01:28:44.300]  out of the house. He's a cow, you're not going to train a cow. They don't have those genes.
[01:28:44.300 --> 01:28:52.460]  And how children work, treat, you know, what we did with our children is we treated children
[01:28:52.460 --> 01:28:59.300]  like small human beings. It was really, really important that we realized these are human
[01:28:59.300 --> 01:29:07.340]  beings and never discount them, never disrespect them, but we did give them discipline and
[01:29:07.340 --> 01:29:14.940]  we did teach them based on how human beings respond. We didn't go into a bunch of psychological
[01:29:14.940 --> 01:29:21.740]  stuff. My son, we'll tell you, he's grown now. The worst punishment I ever gave him
[01:29:21.740 --> 01:29:29.620]  was he had a problem with concentration. I went and got a Hershey bar and ate it in front
[01:29:29.620 --> 01:29:36.380]  of him as his punishment. He'll tell you today that was the worst punishment I ever gave
[01:29:36.380 --> 01:29:45.780]  him. That's cruel and unusual. Very unusual. It was both, but it was paying attention to
[01:29:45.780 --> 01:29:52.180]  how it got his attention in a way that a whipping or other punishment would never have gotten
[01:29:52.180 --> 01:29:57.660]  his attention. I'm telling you. Hang on, Randy Kelton, Devin Stevens, We Will All Radio, we'll
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[01:33:02.540 --> 01:33:17.980]  You are listening to the Logos Radio Network. LogosRadioNetwork.com.
[01:33:17.980 --> 01:33:38.980]  Okay, I was just digging that base. Okay, we're back and I know I kind of got off
[01:33:38.980 --> 01:33:48.180]  subject there. Sometimes I ramble late in the day. You leave too late in the day? Yeah,
[01:33:48.180 --> 01:34:01.140]  it's kind of late for me. I'm old. Legal documentation is not so difficult. It's different. It's
[01:34:01.140 --> 01:34:07.980]  not something most people do all the time. It seems totally alien and foreign but there
[01:34:07.980 --> 01:34:13.580]  are just some basic things to understand about it. Once you get the basics down, it's not
[01:34:13.580 --> 01:34:19.900]  that terribly difficult. What I was talking about before we went out was that kind of
[01:34:19.900 --> 01:34:27.820]  off the subject is about predicates. I know some of these things sound really esoteric
[01:34:27.820 --> 01:34:41.060]  but those things that we get to do in writing that aren't obvious often are the most powerful.
[01:34:41.060 --> 01:34:48.500]  When you write a legal document or when you write anything, look at the terms that you
[01:34:48.500 --> 01:35:03.100]  use. If you have a term that is a nominalization where you take a behavior and turn it into
[01:35:03.100 --> 01:35:17.220]  a state like anger, depression, he frustrates me. No, he doesn't. He causes you to act in
[01:35:17.220 --> 01:35:28.500]  a way that you describe as being frustrated. Enormalization takes on a power of its own.
[01:35:28.500 --> 01:35:38.860]  It takes on a state that tends to give us less options. The two or three times I had
[01:35:38.860 --> 01:35:47.500]  people that were really distraught, then you just shift into asking them to define the
[01:35:47.500 --> 01:35:52.980]  deletions. Oftentimes, we leave things out. That's one of the things I probably should
[01:35:52.980 --> 01:36:01.460]  have addressed earlier were deletions. In all of these, most everybody that we've talked
[01:36:01.460 --> 01:36:11.900]  to today had a tremendous amount of deletions. In your writing, if you look at it closely,
[01:36:11.900 --> 01:36:22.060]  you'll hear me on here ask someone for referential index. I ask for referential index because
[01:36:22.060 --> 01:36:32.620]  the writing contained deletions. Their speech contained deletions. They made statements
[01:36:32.620 --> 01:36:44.580]  that presupposed that I had information I did not have. In short, that may be one of
[01:36:44.580 --> 01:36:53.140]  the biggest sins we all commit in writing. It's difficult not to do that, to pay attention
[01:36:53.140 --> 01:37:01.340]  to the deletions. We're writing about something that we are intimately familiar with. We know
[01:37:01.340 --> 01:37:10.980]  the whole story and we try to give the other person enough information so that they can
[01:37:10.980 --> 01:37:20.660]  understand the whole story without having to give them every detail. We have to figure
[01:37:20.660 --> 01:37:28.780]  out which details to give them and which not to give them a headache with. We necessarily
[01:37:28.780 --> 01:37:39.780]  have to have deletions. You just simply cannot tell everything and nobody wants to hear everything.
[01:37:39.780 --> 01:37:51.180]  How do you determine what to put in and what to take out? When we talked to Steve about
[01:37:51.180 --> 01:37:59.980]  his issue earlier at the beginning of the show, it wasn't until we got to the end of
[01:37:59.980 --> 01:38:12.380]  his story about this hearing that we hit on the whole point of the whole thing. We got
[01:38:12.380 --> 01:38:21.060]  back to subject matter jurisdiction. Now, what we do with that, when he got to that,
[01:38:21.060 --> 01:38:26.180]  that was perfect for me because now, okay, subject matter jurisdiction, that's a great
[01:38:26.180 --> 01:38:33.540]  issue. Now, how do we bring our reader to subject matter jurisdiction? This kind of
[01:38:33.540 --> 01:38:43.620]  goes to technique concerning deletions and additions. What do I need to do to bring my
[01:38:43.620 --> 01:38:53.300]  reader to the conclusion that somewhere in here, there was a lack of subject matter jurisdiction?
[01:38:53.300 --> 01:38:59.340]  When we did that, we kind of did some of this on the break. In order to get to subject matter
[01:38:59.340 --> 01:39:11.860]  jurisdiction, we needed a default in 2007, a foreclosure in 2009, and we needed the default
[01:39:11.860 --> 01:39:19.420]  to support the foreclosure. There couldn't be a foreclosure without a default. Then the
[01:39:19.420 --> 01:39:25.940]  default supports the notice to vacate. Then there was a notice to vacate because there
[01:39:25.940 --> 01:39:37.220]  was a foreclosure. Then there was an unlawful detainer hearing or an eviction hearing. Then
[01:39:37.220 --> 01:39:43.900]  there was a dismissal of the eviction hearing. The dismissal of the eviction hearing sets
[01:39:43.900 --> 01:39:54.180]  the clock for the statute of limitations. We've run down the numbers. The next action
[01:39:54.180 --> 01:40:07.740]  to evict was in what, 2013? The first one was in 2009. There was a second one in 2013
[01:40:07.740 --> 01:40:15.340]  that was a year and seven months outside, and then another one in 2013.
[01:40:15.340 --> 01:40:21.900]  We go from the 2009 to the 2013 and that says, like a subject matter jurisdiction, that's
[01:40:21.900 --> 01:40:30.180]  all that's really needed. Everything else is fluff. The only thing that needs to be
[01:40:30.180 --> 01:40:39.660]  there is the law. These are the facts that support the law. There was an eviction hearing
[01:40:39.660 --> 01:40:49.240]  in 2009. It was dismissed in 2009 and more than four years, the two years passed before
[01:40:49.240 --> 01:40:56.460]  there was another action, lack of subject matter jurisdiction. Now we can go back and
[01:40:56.460 --> 01:41:02.020]  say, you know, all this other stuff is nice and interesting and all of that, but we don't
[01:41:02.020 --> 01:41:08.180]  need it. The reason that, you know, about the other side coming out in the hall, say,
[01:41:08.180 --> 01:41:14.380]  oh yeah, we'll dismiss about irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is the fact
[01:41:14.380 --> 01:41:21.460]  that the case was in fact dismissed. Now, if you want to add more information, you certainly
[01:41:21.460 --> 01:41:30.460]  can, but keep in mind, you've got a judge here who's busy and the shorter you can make
[01:41:30.460 --> 01:41:37.620]  the presentation to him, get to the facts and the conclusions based on the facts, the
[01:41:37.620 --> 01:41:44.700]  quicker you can do that, the more likely he is to accept what you're reading and what
[01:41:44.700 --> 01:41:52.100]  you're presenting. He is a person after all. He is busy. He don't have time for a lot
[01:41:52.100 --> 01:42:00.460]  of stuff because he has to read 20 or 30 of these a day and the quicker he can read them,
[01:42:00.460 --> 01:42:06.260]  get done and go play golf, the happier he's going to be. Now, it may not be right for
[01:42:06.260 --> 01:42:11.540]  a judge to rule on a pleading without reading it. That's exactly what happened in a case
[01:42:11.540 --> 01:42:18.420]  that I told you earlier about the judge with the hearing thing. Well, when I got to my
[01:42:18.420 --> 01:42:26.140]  hearing, it was an eviction hearing and I told him that there was a challenge to subject
[01:42:26.140 --> 01:42:32.500]  matter jurisdiction before the court because we had filed a trespass to try title in the
[01:42:32.500 --> 01:42:38.820]  district court, a challenge title, therefore denying this court subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:42:38.820 --> 01:42:48.900]  Well, we had filed that motion while the judge was in court. The judge said, Mr. Kelton,
[01:42:48.900 --> 01:42:54.980]  just because you filed a trespass to try title action does not necessarily mean that this
[01:42:54.980 --> 01:43:06.740]  court does not have subject matter jurisdiction. Your motion is denied. He never read it.
[01:43:06.740 --> 01:43:18.100]  He dismissed the, he denied the motion without reading it. They will do that. They will deny
[01:43:18.100 --> 01:43:23.380]  your motion without reading it if it's too long or if it's too difficult to understand,
[01:43:23.380 --> 01:43:28.660]  they'll just deny it. This time we caught it. This time there was no way he could have
[01:43:28.660 --> 01:43:31.940]  read it because there was no time because he was in court and we were watching it the
[01:43:31.940 --> 01:43:39.380]  whole time. But, but they will do that. They're human beings. They have their angers and frustrations
[01:43:39.380 --> 01:43:45.460]  and prejudices. We want to try to avoid them. And speaking of prejudices, I'll speak to
[01:43:45.460 --> 01:43:49.860]  that a little bit when we get back on the other side. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore,
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[01:46:25.140 --> 01:46:41.460]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skedmore, Rule Law Radio. And when we went out, I was just
[01:46:41.460 --> 01:46:53.540]  going to prejudice. If you attempt to adjudicate your case as a pro se,
[01:46:53.540 --> 01:46:59.060]  you're going to have to deal with pro se prejudice or pro se bias.
[01:47:01.060 --> 01:47:11.460]  Even if the judge really wants to be totally fair and honest, human beings are human beings.
[01:47:12.740 --> 01:47:20.500]  And human beings that are judges are almost always lawyers before their judges. Not always.
[01:47:20.500 --> 01:47:28.420]  Not always. JPs can be elected who are not lawyers, but they deal with, even if they're
[01:47:28.420 --> 01:47:34.580]  not lawyers, they deal with lawyers all the time and they tend to, they get pro se's come in who
[01:47:34.580 --> 01:47:39.780]  don't know anything about what they're doing and they get frustrated with them and they develop a
[01:47:39.780 --> 01:47:49.140]  bias against pro se's, whether they want to or not. And if they're lawyers, the bias is even greater.
[01:47:49.140 --> 01:47:56.500]  So if you go in to represent yourself, you need to understand that that's going to be there
[01:47:57.140 --> 01:48:04.820]  and you need to do everything you can to keep from triggering that bias.
[01:48:06.180 --> 01:48:14.820]  We have guys here in the legal reform area who do a lot of these things that
[01:48:14.820 --> 01:48:24.180]  I consider go-to-patriot mythology. I prepared a document for someone in California and sent it to
[01:48:24.180 --> 01:48:33.860]  him and his father was a researcher that I had known for a while. He got the document, worked it
[01:48:33.860 --> 01:48:40.820]  over and they sent it back to me. The son sent it back to me to get my opinion on it and it started
[01:48:40.820 --> 01:48:52.740]  out with a man on the land, single sovereign, just a whole string of this stuff. And I called him up
[01:48:53.940 --> 01:49:01.060]  and I said, Ray, what is all this crap? He said, well, it's all true. I said, well, you're fat
[01:49:01.060 --> 01:49:06.340]  bald and old. You didn't put that in there. He said, well, it's not relevant. That's right, Ray.
[01:49:06.340 --> 01:49:16.820]  All that garbage is not relevant. You put that in there and the judge reads that and he sees
[01:49:18.020 --> 01:49:25.140]  pro se wacko and he don't pay any attention to anything else you write, even if he wants to,
[01:49:26.340 --> 01:49:32.260]  because you've stuck that roadblock in front of him. You've waved this red flag in front of him
[01:49:32.260 --> 01:49:39.380]  and said, I put stupid stuff in my pleading, so don't pay any attention to it. I'm a member
[01:49:39.380 --> 01:49:45.380]  of the Republic of Texas. That's what they think when they say anything that has the look of
[01:49:46.020 --> 01:49:54.660]  this pro se mythological approach. When they see a red thumbprint on the document.
[01:49:54.660 --> 01:50:03.940]  I've heard these arguments about how these things have influence, but the only influence I've ever
[01:50:03.940 --> 01:50:12.180]  seen is to get the judge not to trust anything you say, to get the judge to lump you in with all these
[01:50:12.180 --> 01:50:21.540]  guys who get out here and just file this garbage with the courts. And the guys that have been filing
[01:50:21.540 --> 01:50:28.660]  these leads against public officials, the Republic of Texas really got the courts after the pro se.
[01:50:29.540 --> 01:50:36.180]  So if you're going to prepare a document yourself, you need it to look exactly like something a
[01:50:36.180 --> 01:50:48.180]  lawyer would file. And I have a way to do that. I have one skill that I have honed above all others.
[01:50:48.180 --> 01:50:57.460]  I am an expert and accomplished plagiarist. I don't want to write anything up. If I can avoid it,
[01:50:57.460 --> 01:51:04.980]  I want to find where a lawyer has written it and steal his stuff and put it in mine. Anything that's
[01:51:04.980 --> 01:51:11.780]  been filed in the court is public record. There is actually a lawyer here in Texas who sued somebody
[01:51:11.780 --> 01:51:19.300]  for plagiarism, for using a portion of his, one of his pleadings. And the courts threw him out
[01:51:20.260 --> 01:51:26.500]  for filing a frivolous lawsuit because once your document's filed in the public record,
[01:51:26.500 --> 01:51:31.460]  it becomes part of the public domain. So don't write it if you can avoid it.
[01:51:31.460 --> 01:51:39.860]  Steve Skidmore, what's five, six years ago, when he first started this company, he was a
[01:51:39.860 --> 01:51:44.420]  lawyer. When he first started this foreclosure thing, came to me and he needed a lawsuit.
[01:51:44.980 --> 01:51:49.940]  And I told him, I hadn't finished my research. And he said, I don't have time for you to finish
[01:51:49.940 --> 01:51:54.740]  your research. We need something. So I went on the internet, pulled down a couple of two or three
[01:51:54.740 --> 01:52:00.660]  suits and looked at some stuff that looked cool. Most of it, I didn't have a clue as to what it was.
[01:52:00.660 --> 01:52:03.700]  And I pulled it out and dropped it in a lawsuit and sent it to him.
[01:52:03.700 --> 01:52:08.980]  It's not quite what I was expecting, but yeah, okay.
[01:52:10.740 --> 01:52:11.540]  But it worked.
[01:52:12.900 --> 01:52:13.700]  Yeah.
[01:52:13.700 --> 01:52:19.220]  The lawyer on the other side filed a response and said, your honor, this suit's a piece of crap.
[01:52:20.820 --> 01:52:21.540]  He was right.
[01:52:22.260 --> 01:52:26.260]  And the judge came back and said, yeah, this suit is a piece of crap. Fix it.
[01:52:26.260 --> 01:52:34.020]  But I think my point there is, is don't miss a deadline. You got to get something filed,
[01:52:34.020 --> 01:52:37.780]  get something filed. It can be garbage, but get something filed.
[01:52:37.780 --> 01:52:38.900]  You can always amend it.
[01:52:39.700 --> 01:52:45.380]  But look, as you, if you could find, you know, I didn't have time then,
[01:52:45.380 --> 01:52:51.060]  so I just grabbed what I could. I generally try to find stuff right on point. The thing I'd like
[01:52:51.060 --> 01:53:01.540]  to do most is take a section out of a court opinion. These tend to be really well written
[01:53:02.260 --> 01:53:06.340]  and they're written in a very particular style.
[01:53:07.540 --> 01:53:15.220]  When you take an argument out of a court opinion that fits your issue and you drop it in the
[01:53:15.220 --> 01:53:23.860]  in the document, I use it because most of these, they abide by the adage.
[01:53:25.060 --> 01:53:29.380]  Never make a proactive statement out of your, of law, out of your own mouth.
[01:53:30.580 --> 01:53:34.260]  You must make a proactive statement of law out of the mouth of the courts.
[01:53:34.260 --> 01:53:38.260]  So they'll say, they'll make this statement and they'll know,
[01:53:38.260 --> 01:53:41.380]  they're behind it. There'll be a citation. This is where they got it.
[01:53:41.380 --> 01:53:45.620]  They make this other statement and citation where they got it.
[01:53:46.340 --> 01:53:53.140]  So you read the paragraph and it has these sentences in there and each one of them has
[01:53:53.140 --> 01:53:56.260]  a case citing behind it showing what law they got it out of.
[01:53:57.700 --> 01:54:07.540]  And they have a way of writing that is peculiar and I'm often amazed at how well written a lot
[01:54:07.540 --> 01:54:13.540]  of these opinions are. So I just pull that section out and drop it right in my document.
[01:54:14.180 --> 01:54:19.540]  I don't cite the case I got it out of because I don't need to.
[01:54:20.340 --> 01:54:27.220]  I use this paragraph or these two or three paragraphs and every sentence cites cases for me.
[01:54:28.820 --> 01:54:31.300]  When the court looks at it, they'll know exactly what I did.
[01:54:31.300 --> 01:54:38.500]  But I use the same argument that the court used when it gave the ruling in favor.
[01:54:40.740 --> 01:54:47.780]  So become a good plagiarist. Write as little of your own stuff as you can.
[01:54:49.620 --> 01:54:53.620]  Get as much out of the, especially the court opinions.
[01:54:53.620 --> 01:54:57.700]  Now, quoting from lawyers can sometimes be a problem because
[01:54:57.700 --> 01:55:03.700]  frankly, some of you, you hear Steve Chuckle back there. He knows where I'm going.
[01:55:03.700 --> 01:55:04.500]  Oh, yeah.
[01:55:04.500 --> 01:55:11.140]  Some of these documents I get from lawyers, I wonder, do they have their kid in kindergarten
[01:55:11.140 --> 01:55:20.900]  write this garbage? Did this guy really file this trash with the courts? Lawyers really get arrogant
[01:55:20.900 --> 01:55:27.860]  and sometimes they do some really, really crappy work. And one of the little things while I'm
[01:55:28.660 --> 01:55:35.700]  on that point about lawyers is when you get a lawyer quoting case law,
[01:55:36.740 --> 01:55:40.900]  you should always look it up. And I don't use
[01:55:40.900 --> 01:55:50.180]  Lexus or Westlaw anymore. If I'm looking for a case, I just put the case in a search engine
[01:55:50.180 --> 01:55:58.340]  on the internet and bang, I'll find it. I do better on the internet than I do with Westlaw or Lexus.
[01:55:58.340 --> 01:56:04.660]  Well, Google scholars got a real good, like poor man's Lexus.
[01:56:04.660 --> 01:56:13.300]  Yeah. And it's great. So when these lawyers cite a case, look it up. You will be amazed
[01:56:13.300 --> 01:56:15.940]  how often they cite cases that don't exist.
[01:56:16.820 --> 01:56:23.140]  And speaking of, speaking of citing cases in Google Scholar, if you don't know how to cite
[01:56:23.140 --> 01:56:30.020]  a case with Google Scholar, if you find a case that you want to read, right click and open it
[01:56:30.020 --> 01:56:36.660]  up in another tab. Keep your search page open. If you find what you want, you want to cite it,
[01:56:36.660 --> 01:56:42.660]  go back to your search hits. And at the bottom of that little excerpt, you'll see a blue tag
[01:56:42.660 --> 01:56:48.740]  that says cite, click it. It's already highlighted. It'll open up another window. Your case site is
[01:56:48.740 --> 01:56:54.820]  already highlighted. Just right click, copy, paste it into your document, move on. Quote what part
[01:56:54.820 --> 01:57:02.420]  is poignant. Show what part of the document you got it from. You're good to go. Move on.
[01:57:03.380 --> 01:57:10.740]  Maybe next time we should do at least a few segments on how to do research and how to
[01:57:11.860 --> 01:57:21.380]  construct documents based on legal research and case law. But always check a lawyer's case law.
[01:57:21.380 --> 01:57:29.940]  We've had, I had one friend that the lawyer cited a section out of a case for this is IRS deal.
[01:57:29.940 --> 01:57:36.020]  And when he read it, the court said, this is what has been claimed. But then went on to say,
[01:57:36.020 --> 01:57:42.740]  that's all nonsense. It gave the opposite ruling. So the guy took the case, the lawyer cited and
[01:57:42.740 --> 01:57:50.660]  pulled his argument out of the lawyer's case. This was absolutely hilarious. So don't trust lawyers.
[01:57:51.700 --> 01:57:59.300]  They don't like to work hard and they produce garbage documentation. Quite often. Okay. We are
[01:58:00.020 --> 01:58:06.020]  out of time. You've used up another wasted four perfectly good hours.
[01:58:06.020 --> 01:58:13.780]  Out of time. You've used up another wasted four perfectly good hours.
[01:58:18.020 --> 01:58:23.220]  Okay. And if I seem disjointed, it's because I'm working on building a
[01:58:24.500 --> 01:58:29.060]  seminar that I don't know how to do yet. So I'm using you folks as practice.
[01:58:29.060 --> 01:58:34.660]  Oh no. On the outro you tell everybody they've been guinea pigs for the last four hours.
[01:58:38.100 --> 01:58:42.340]  I hope it interspersed in all that. There was a little bit of good information.
[01:58:42.340 --> 01:58:47.620]  Thank you for listening. We'll be back next week. Pattern interruption.
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