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[03:24.380 --> 03:31.380]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rulaw Radio. Here is our special guest, Steve
[03:36.280 --> 03:43.280]  Skidmore. And we're going to Terrence in Georgia. Hello, Terrence.
[03:44.280 --> 03:49.280]  Hello. Can you hear me okay? I'm in Missouri right now, heading south anyway.
[03:49.280 --> 03:52.280]  Yeah, I can hear you.
[03:52.280 --> 03:59.280]  I sent you an email concerning the sheriff in Liberty County, Florida, who was arrested.
[03:59.280 --> 04:06.280]  They claimed fellow state employees claimed mouthpieces in his office because he let a
[04:06.280 --> 04:13.280]  guy out of jail for having a gun. And on the length, you can even get a copy of the warrant.
[04:14.280 --> 04:20.280]  I was wanting you to look at that and comment on that on another show or if you got it.
[04:20.280 --> 04:31.280]  Okay, I looked at that and something's wrong there. I suspect there's more to this story.
[04:31.280 --> 04:40.280]  We get a lot of stories where people blow things up. I somehow don't think the state
[04:40.280 --> 04:46.280]  of Florida went after this guy without some kind of cause. And I know that I'm stepping
[04:46.280 --> 04:53.280]  into something, but here's my concern. According to what they've said, if he did
[04:53.280 --> 05:02.280]  what they said, even if the guy should not have been prosecuted, that's not the way
[05:02.280 --> 05:12.280]  to do it. We do not authorize our sheriffs to decide who to prosecute and who not to
[05:12.280 --> 05:22.280]  prosecute. Now, he may talk to his officers since an officer acts in his capacity as an
[05:22.280 --> 05:33.280]  officer under the authority of the sheriff. He can lay down policy, but when the officer
[05:33.280 --> 05:37.280]  filed the criminal complaint, he didn't do that as an officer. He did that as a private
[05:37.280 --> 05:46.280]  citizen because only private citizens are authorized to file criminal complaints. And
[05:46.280 --> 05:54.280]  the sheriff could have asked the prosecutor to dismiss the case, but he can't throw
[05:54.280 --> 06:04.280]  it out himself. Now, the sheriff would have had to have known that. So that tells me something
[06:04.280 --> 06:10.280]  else is going on here, and I don't know what it is, but I've gotten a lot more careful
[06:10.280 --> 06:18.280]  about jumping on bad wagons. I don't trust my government. I think they're more devious
[06:18.280 --> 06:22.280]  than most of us give them credit for.
[06:22.280 --> 06:33.280]  With that said, remember 9-11. After 9-11, we had people calling in saying that we got
[06:33.280 --> 06:40.280]  these five FBI agents in North Carolina that's suing the president because they had a bunch
[06:40.280 --> 06:45.280]  of these guys that were involved and they were holding them and the president made them
[06:45.280 --> 06:51.280]  release them so they could leave and plan this attack and then come back and blow up
[06:51.280 --> 06:52.280]  the towers.
[06:52.280 --> 07:00.280]  We got this guy in Canada. He's got the smoking gun. He's told them what was going
[07:00.280 --> 07:05.280]  to happen, when it was going to happen, how it was going to happen, and he was an FBI
[07:05.280 --> 07:13.280]  agent. And he left because no one would listen to him and he was getting reprisals. He went
[07:13.280 --> 07:19.280]  to Canada and our government tried to get the Canadians to arrest him and ship him back,
[07:19.280 --> 07:24.280]  extradite him back to the US, and the Canadians heard his evidence and they refused.
[07:24.280 --> 07:32.280]  And then we got this Air Force colonel in California who was in intelligence. He's
[07:32.280 --> 07:44.280]  retired. He's got the smoking gun. So what if you really do have the real deal in Canada?
[07:44.280 --> 07:51.280]  How do you handle it when the guy has got you dead to rights? Well, you make up a story
[07:51.280 --> 08:00.280]  about five FBI agents suing the president. Not in this lifetime. They work for him. And
[08:00.280 --> 08:08.280]  a Air Force colonel in California giving up state secrets. I don't think so. You discredit
[08:08.280 --> 08:15.280]  those two and by proxy, you discredit the real deal.
[08:15.280 --> 08:26.280]  So we have a call. I had just done a show on sheriffs and local sheriffs and local communities
[08:26.280 --> 08:34.280]  that were refusing to enforce the gun laws. And then this story comes out about a sheriff
[08:34.280 --> 08:44.280]  being arrested for doing exactly what these people were doing. This does not feel right.
[08:44.280 --> 08:54.280]  Did you look more deeply into the story? Did I do what? Did you read, did you look deeply
[08:54.280 --> 09:01.280]  into the story, get all the facts about it? Do you have any facts that I don't? I read
[09:01.280 --> 09:05.280]  it as much and I got through the warrant as much as I could. I drive trucks and it's
[09:05.280 --> 09:11.280]  really hard to dig into it. That's why I sent the link to you. Okay. Yeah. Well, the
[09:11.280 --> 09:17.280]  warrant, if the warrant says that he removed documents from the public record, that's
[09:17.280 --> 09:27.280]  a crime in every state. So, you know, there's gotta be something going on here because the
[09:27.280 --> 09:33.280]  sheriff would know better. Because he's the sheriff, it's his place to enforce law,
[09:33.280 --> 09:37.280]  not to violate it. If the sheriff didn't feel like this guy should be prosecuted, there's
[09:37.280 --> 09:45.280]  a way to handle that legally. Removing records from the, the documents from the county record
[09:45.280 --> 09:54.280]  is not a way to do that. And what I bet's going on here is they put this out, get everybody
[09:54.280 --> 10:00.280]  jump up and up, jumping up and down, waving their arms. And then they show the real story
[10:00.280 --> 10:08.280]  to show the guy was a scoundrel to start with. So they discredit us. I'm not going to step
[10:08.280 --> 10:16.780]  into that ring yet until I get more information. That is not, the whole story is not a good
[10:16.780 --> 10:22.720]  one to rally around. And if I seem somewhat reluctant, it's because we get a lot of
[10:22.720 --> 10:30.720]  issues that people want to raise. And when I look closer, they're not clean. One that
[10:30.720 --> 10:37.720]  really stands out is we got people just railing in righteous indignation against the Supreme
[10:37.720 --> 10:48.520]  Court for rendering a ruling that, where this was here in the Dallas area, where a inside
[10:48.520 --> 10:56.240]  mall had acted with the city to take property by eminent domain so they could expand the
[10:56.240 --> 11:04.160]  mall. And the homeowners took the issue all the way to the Supreme Court and the Supreme
[11:04.160 --> 11:12.960]  Court declined, or they ruled on it and they said that the state could do that. And they
[11:12.960 --> 11:18.840]  accused the Supreme Court of allowing the states to just take all our property. Well,
[11:18.840 --> 11:31.080]  I read the case and I thought it was an absolutely wonderful decision because what the Supreme
[11:31.080 --> 11:41.120]  Court really said is this matter of the eminent domain you have brought to our court is a
[11:41.120 --> 11:49.720]  matter of state jurisdiction, not ours. If you don't like the eminent domain laws in
[11:49.720 --> 11:58.320]  Texas, you will have to change them in Texas. We have no power to intervene in the state's
[11:58.320 --> 11:59.320]  business.
[11:59.320 --> 12:05.120]  So it was a great ruling, but I'm getting all this ratting and raving and railing by
[12:05.120 --> 12:08.720]  people who obviously had never read it.
[12:08.720 --> 12:15.280]  Well, that would go across the board to reach uncountable issues.
[12:15.280 --> 12:20.760]  Yeah, this was the state, the feds refusing to preempt the state.
[12:20.760 --> 12:21.760]  Right.
[12:21.760 --> 12:25.880]  And that's exactly what we want them to do, but out of our business.
[12:25.880 --> 12:26.880]  Right.
[12:26.880 --> 12:33.920]  If it's not your business, stay out of it. So, Terrence, if I found it sounds like I'm
[12:33.920 --> 12:45.440]  being a little reticent here in picking up this issue, just something smells about it.
[12:45.440 --> 12:51.680]  It's like the red herrings they like to throw at us. They're going to get us all jumping
[12:51.680 --> 12:59.200]  up and down and waving our arms and then they're going to come in with the rest of the story.
[12:59.200 --> 13:04.000]  That makes a lot of sense in that it's good to follow that.
[13:04.000 --> 13:11.120]  Yeah, I will keep an eye on that one because mainly I don't trust the government. They
[13:11.120 --> 13:19.440]  are very good at false information, misinformation.
[13:19.440 --> 13:26.800]  They seem to set up things so it ends up in their favor, as opposed to what's right and
[13:26.800 --> 13:27.800]  wrong.
[13:27.800 --> 13:34.200]  Yeah, exactly. Government does not care about right and wrong. They care about achieving
[13:34.200 --> 13:40.000]  their outcomes. They feel as though we are simply cannon fodder. We're cattle to be
[13:40.000 --> 13:49.720]  poked and prodded. We put these people in public office. And just like the quote I referenced
[13:49.720 --> 13:57.040]  last night, H.G. Wells, in speaking to the corruption of the popes during the Dark Ages,
[13:57.040 --> 14:03.080]  he very aptly observed that the giver of the law most owes the law allegiance. He of all
[14:03.080 --> 14:10.440]  beings should behave as though the law compels him. But it is the universal failing of mankind
[14:10.440 --> 14:16.200]  that what we are given to administer, we promptly presume we own. And that's what our public
[14:16.200 --> 14:25.120]  officials do. They discount us. And the purpose of this show is to get people to stand up
[14:25.120 --> 14:28.160]  and take back their sovereignty.
[14:28.160 --> 14:39.160]  And I had one question. Two years ago, I got a letter from the IRS asking me, if you believe
[14:39.160 --> 14:45.320]  you don't have to file, please state your reasons. And you stated many times that you
[14:45.320 --> 14:49.960]  reply with a question and not a statement, yet they're asking for a statement. And I
[14:49.960 --> 14:52.200]  was wanting your insights on that.
[14:52.200 --> 15:03.360]  Well, OK, IRS is not my area, but if it were me, I would not respond. They're trying to
[15:03.360 --> 15:12.380]  get you to contract with them. Steve, you want to address that? You may have more insight
[15:12.380 --> 15:14.000]  into that than I do.
[15:14.000 --> 15:16.840]  No, IRS is not my forte either.
[15:16.840 --> 15:24.160]  Yeah, but OK, it sounds like they're trying to get you to contract with them. If you respond
[15:24.160 --> 15:29.600]  to them, then you're accepting their choice of law.
[15:29.600 --> 15:33.120]  Now, that's a fact. Yes.
[15:33.120 --> 15:43.780]  So any response other than demand agency standing in capacity. But just because they sent you
[15:43.780 --> 15:47.520]  a letter gives you no duty to respond.
[15:47.520 --> 15:54.520]  But it seems if you don't respond, they proceed further and further and further, because I
[15:54.520 --> 15:57.040]  just two years later, I get a letter.
[15:57.040 --> 16:04.000]  Then you file criminally against whoever's sending the document. Accuse him of exerting
[16:04.000 --> 16:09.000]  or purporting to exert an authority he does not expressly have in violation of 18 U.S.
[16:09.000 --> 16:11.000]  Code 242.
[16:11.000 --> 16:19.440]  OK, so you guys want to fight? Welcome to the deep end of the pool.
[16:19.440 --> 16:24.240]  Yeah, but at that point, you better be prepared to fight.
[16:24.240 --> 16:32.480]  Well, if you take it on the individual who sent the document, then nobody's going to
[16:32.480 --> 16:40.680]  move on the criminal complaint, but it'll give him reason to make sure his actions are
[16:40.680 --> 16:41.680]  well-founded.
[16:41.680 --> 16:44.920]  They're not used to somebody coming back after.
[16:44.920 --> 16:48.480]  But, yeah, be ready to fight.
[16:48.480 --> 16:52.600]  The best thing to do is just ignore it.
[16:52.600 --> 16:55.120]  OK, we're about to go to break.
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[19:09.280 --> 19:20.320]  Well, don't let nothing get to you, only the father can deliver you, so don't let bad mind
[19:20.320 --> 19:29.480]  people hurt you, until Satan get behind you, you know what I mean, my friend, not a judge
[19:29.480 --> 19:40.280]  but a couple of those things that hurt me, friend, tell him you're probably in pain,
[19:40.280 --> 19:48.800]  call on his name once again, he'll rebel, you know he worth it, trust him but hurt me,
[19:48.800 --> 19:51.080]  friend, tell him you're probably in pain, call on his name once again.
[19:51.080 --> 19:56.880]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, it looked like we lost Terrence over the break.
[19:56.880 --> 20:06.640]  Okay, we are going to go to Gary in Texas, hello Gary, what do you have for us today?
[20:06.640 --> 20:08.560]  Can you hear me?
[20:08.560 --> 20:11.600]  No, I can't hear a word you're saying.
[20:11.600 --> 20:12.600]  Hello?
[20:12.600 --> 20:18.440]  Okay, I lied, go ahead, I can hear you fine.
[20:18.440 --> 20:22.240]  Okay, good evening guys.
[20:22.240 --> 20:24.280]  Good evening.
[20:24.280 --> 20:29.920]  I have, I mortgaged a house in 2006 and…
[20:29.920 --> 20:33.040]  Good God, why would you want to do that?
[20:33.040 --> 20:34.040]  You ruined everything.
[20:34.040 --> 20:44.120]  In a suburb just outside of Detroit, in 2008, the loan originated as a MERS loan, so it
[20:44.120 --> 20:48.320]  changed hands numerous times.
[20:48.320 --> 20:56.320]  In 2008, of course, the value, it was worth about 150,000, I ended up having 120,000 in
[20:56.320 --> 21:05.280]  two mortgages, in 2008, it dropped down to being worth about $40,000.
[21:05.280 --> 21:13.240]  I ended up having to relocate to Texas for work, I spoke with an attorney and a realtor,
[21:13.240 --> 21:19.000]  I listed the house on the market, I was going to try to do a short sale, and the attorney
[21:19.000 --> 21:22.680]  I had spoken to basically told me, you have to stop making payments or they won't even
[21:22.680 --> 21:25.040]  consider doing a short sale.
[21:25.040 --> 21:29.880]  So I stopped making payments, moved out of state, listed the house, got an offer right
[21:29.880 --> 21:36.280]  away, my primary lender drug its feet, they said they lost the paperwork on the short
[21:36.280 --> 21:41.280]  sale, we had to resubmit it, a whole bunch of, you know, round and round.
[21:41.280 --> 21:48.040]  They ended up foreclosing on the property, now yesterday I just received a request for
[21:48.040 --> 21:55.680]  discovery from my second lender here that was filed in Travis County, and I guess I'm
[21:55.680 --> 21:58.080]  just not sure, you know, I don't have any access.
[21:58.080 --> 22:00.000]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.
[22:00.000 --> 22:01.000]  Travis County?
[22:01.000 --> 22:02.000]  Yeah.
[22:02.000 --> 22:03.000]  Oh.
[22:03.000 --> 22:08.600]  How did Travis County get jurisdiction over property in Chicago?
[22:08.600 --> 22:09.600]  Michigan.
[22:09.600 --> 22:11.600]  Michigan, yeah.
[22:11.600 --> 22:12.920]  Michigan, I'm sorry.
[22:12.920 --> 22:18.880]  That was going to be one of my primary questions, don't they have to get a judgment in Michigan
[22:18.880 --> 22:21.280]  and then domesticate it here in Texas?
[22:21.280 --> 22:22.280]  Yes.
[22:22.280 --> 22:23.280]  Okay.
[22:23.280 --> 22:24.280]  Exactly.
[22:24.280 --> 22:27.720]  Have they already gotten a judgment there?
[22:27.720 --> 22:33.200]  I have never received any correspondence from them at all, other than, you know, calls from
[22:33.200 --> 22:35.200]  debt collectors.
[22:35.200 --> 22:45.680]  Did you give a, let's see, do you have a change of address filed with the post office?
[22:45.680 --> 22:46.680]  Yes.
[22:46.680 --> 22:47.680]  Okay.
[22:47.680 --> 22:52.600]  Do you receive anything about the foreclosure?
[22:52.600 --> 22:55.040]  No, I never received anything.
[22:55.040 --> 22:58.440]  I made a phone call to my attorney, wants to ask him about, you know, what was going
[22:58.440 --> 23:03.360]  on in the short sale process, and he just told me, July of last year, your property's
[23:03.360 --> 23:06.280]  been foreclosed down by your primary lender.
[23:06.280 --> 23:07.280]  I never received anything.
[23:07.280 --> 23:10.200]  And you had an attorney representing you?
[23:10.200 --> 23:12.200]  Yes.
[23:12.200 --> 23:14.280]  What did the attorney do?
[23:14.280 --> 23:17.240]  I don't know that he did anything, honest.
[23:17.240 --> 23:18.520]  Pay him, you know, close to him.
[23:18.520 --> 23:21.040]  Sue the attorney for everything you lost.
[23:21.040 --> 23:25.000]  Yeah, that'd be one suggestion.
[23:25.000 --> 23:28.460]  And let me revisit something.
[23:28.460 --> 23:35.040]  You're speaking some terms that we're very familiar with, and my familiarity tells me
[23:35.040 --> 23:41.680]  that there's some contradiction in these terms, which, excuse me, you're saying that you were
[23:41.680 --> 23:43.600]  working a short sale.
[23:43.600 --> 23:44.600]  Correct.
[23:44.600 --> 23:50.720]  But the mortgage servicer told you that you had to be, you had to stop making payments.
[23:50.720 --> 23:52.840]  That's what my attorney told me.
[23:52.840 --> 23:56.680]  My attorney told me that the lender would not even, you know, basically if I tried to
[23:56.680 --> 24:01.440]  approach them to do a short sale, they would essentially ignore me as long as I kept making
[24:01.440 --> 24:02.480]  my payments.
[24:02.480 --> 24:05.560]  So I stopped making payments.
[24:05.560 --> 24:12.320]  The reason I ask that is that the lender, or not the lender, the servicer will usually
[24:12.320 --> 24:18.920]  suggest that they can't work with you until you're three months behind, or suggest that
[24:18.920 --> 24:25.800]  you stop making payments if you're seeking a modification, not a short sale.
[24:25.800 --> 24:26.800]  Okay.
[24:26.800 --> 24:34.000]  I can't see any incentive for the bank to want you to stop making payments if you're
[24:34.000 --> 24:41.760]  going to negotiate a short sale, unless their only motive is to foreclose, and they need
[24:41.760 --> 24:44.200]  a reason to foreclose.
[24:44.200 --> 24:47.800]  They need you to be behind 90 days.
[24:47.800 --> 24:57.360]  The reason I said sue the lawyer is if the bank did not tell you to stop making payments,
[24:57.360 --> 25:03.360]  but rather your lawyer told you to stop making payments, you don't have a claim against the
[25:03.360 --> 25:04.360]  bank.
[25:04.360 --> 25:05.360]  Right.
[25:05.360 --> 25:06.360]  Falls on his shoulders.
[25:06.360 --> 25:10.760]  Falls on his, and you can't even claim lack of notice because they would have given your
[25:10.760 --> 25:13.480]  lawyer notice.
[25:13.480 --> 25:16.160]  Notice to the agents, notice to the principal.
[25:16.160 --> 25:17.160]  Correct.
[25:17.160 --> 25:18.160]  This was your lawyer.
[25:18.160 --> 25:19.160]  Sue him.
[25:19.160 --> 25:20.160]  Okay.
[25:20.160 --> 25:25.800]  No, I don't even, I don't even know if I still have my contract.
[25:25.800 --> 25:27.240]  Let me tell you about lawyers.
[25:27.240 --> 25:28.640]  They are chumps.
[25:28.640 --> 25:29.640]  Yeah.
[25:29.640 --> 25:32.000]  They're used to suing everybody else.
[25:32.000 --> 25:34.280]  When they get sued, they don't know what to do.
[25:34.280 --> 25:35.880]  Yeah, they do.
[25:35.880 --> 25:36.880]  Go get a lawyer.
[25:36.880 --> 25:37.880]  Go get a lawyer.
[25:37.880 --> 25:38.880]  Yeah.
[25:38.880 --> 25:43.600]  I've seen lawyers on the stand.
[25:43.600 --> 25:47.520]  They are the absolute worst witnesses.
[25:47.520 --> 25:53.920]  You know, they examine people all the time, but when they get on the stand, they screw
[25:53.920 --> 25:56.120]  everything up.
[25:56.120 --> 25:59.320]  So you sue him, it's going to double his malpractice insurance.
[25:59.320 --> 26:04.720]  He's going to have a fit and he's the one who didn't do his job.
[26:04.720 --> 26:08.440]  If you want, I'll do an evaluation of your paperwork and I can tell you what he should
[26:08.440 --> 26:10.440]  have done.
[26:10.440 --> 26:11.440]  Okay.
[26:11.440 --> 26:16.680]  But let me give you David Lewis's numbers.
[26:16.680 --> 26:18.000]  He works with me.
[26:18.000 --> 26:20.000]  His number is 512-772-4700.
[26:20.000 --> 26:22.760]  4700 David Lewis.
[26:22.760 --> 26:23.760]  Okay.
[26:23.760 --> 26:24.760]  Yeah.
[26:24.760 --> 26:34.800]  Give him a call and we'll do an evaluation and show you all of the things, all of the
[26:34.800 --> 26:41.360]  issues the lawyer should have brought up in the foreclosure matter and he didn't.
[26:41.360 --> 26:45.760]  So he cost you the total loss of your whole property.
[26:45.760 --> 26:46.760]  Okay.
[26:46.760 --> 26:48.120]  Sue him for the full amount.
[26:48.120 --> 26:49.840]  Sue against his bond.
[26:49.840 --> 26:57.520]  He's got a, should have an insurance policy and he'll probably settle with you to get
[26:57.520 --> 26:59.920]  you to go where you need a loan.
[26:59.920 --> 27:00.920]  Yeah.
[27:00.920 --> 27:10.900]  So in terms of this request for a discovery, how do I respond to this?
[27:10.900 --> 27:18.080]  What discovery, wait a minute, what do they do and send a discovery to you?
[27:18.080 --> 27:24.120]  My secondary lender has, I have a lawsuit here that's been filed in Travis County to
[27:24.120 --> 27:29.760]  recover the full amount, you know, plus fees, interest, all of that on my second mortgage.
[27:29.760 --> 27:36.200]  And I have a request for discovery that looks basically like a boiler plate credit card
[27:36.200 --> 27:37.200]  request for discovery.
[27:37.200 --> 27:42.840]  Most of this, I don't even see how it applies to anything real estate.
[27:42.840 --> 27:47.120]  But you know, looking for bank records, all that, that sort of stuff, I have, I have 20
[27:47.120 --> 27:53.800]  days to respond to the court, to the clerk, and then I have the 50 days to comply with
[27:53.800 --> 27:55.880]  the discovery request.
[27:55.880 --> 28:04.860]  Wait a minute, is this pre-litigation discovery under 202?
[28:04.860 --> 28:09.920]  There was a person showed up at my door yesterday and handed this to me.
[28:09.920 --> 28:15.160]  What is it, does it only ask for discovery or is there a lawsuit included?
[28:15.160 --> 28:20.520]  It says I have been sued, I may employ an attorney, et cetera, et cetera.
[28:20.520 --> 28:24.520]  Here's a case number, you know, Citibank versus myself.
[28:24.520 --> 28:26.540]  Oh, okay.
[28:26.540 --> 28:28.360]  So they had discovery included.
[28:28.360 --> 28:33.440]  You can tell them to wipe their behind with their discovery, at this point anyway, and
[28:33.440 --> 28:38.160]  you file a motion to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.
[28:38.160 --> 28:39.320]  Okay.
[28:39.320 --> 28:46.000]  To maintain that the plaintiff lacked standing to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction
[28:46.000 --> 28:47.000]  of the court.
[28:47.000 --> 28:48.000]  Okay.
[28:48.000 --> 28:55.200]  The suit concerns property in Michigan, Michigan has the original jurisdiction.
[28:55.200 --> 28:56.380]  Okay.
[28:56.380 --> 28:57.380]  Not Texas.
[28:57.380 --> 28:58.380]  Okay.
[28:58.380 --> 29:03.360]  That's just a sham suit, they're trying to scare you into giving them some money.
[29:03.360 --> 29:07.840]  You should counter sue them for malicious prosecution.
[29:07.840 --> 29:12.360]  Is this lawyer coming after you, is he a third party debt collector?
[29:12.360 --> 29:18.840]  Has he, anything, any correspondence that you received from them, has it been prefaced
[29:18.840 --> 29:27.320]  by language similar to notice so and so, so and so is a debt collector attempting to collect
[29:27.320 --> 29:30.320]  a debt and any information gathered will be used for that purpose?
[29:30.320 --> 29:34.920]  Well, yeah, I mean, I received those phone calls and I talked to them.
[29:34.920 --> 29:35.920]  Okay.
[29:35.920 --> 29:36.920]  Okay.
[29:36.920 --> 29:40.160]  Then you're dealing with a third party debt collector with a bar card.
[29:40.160 --> 29:41.160]  Okay.
[29:41.160 --> 29:44.200]  Listen to the first part of the show.
[29:44.200 --> 29:45.920]  That's a whole other animal.
[29:45.920 --> 29:46.920]  Yes.
[29:46.920 --> 29:47.920]  Okay.
[29:47.920 --> 29:48.920]  Okay.
[29:48.920 --> 29:49.920]  All right.
[29:49.920 --> 29:56.920]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, our call-in number, 512-646-1984,
[29:56.920 --> 30:04.120]  you got it out in time this time, we'll be right back.
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[30:10.160 --> 30:14.120]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be back to tell you why you should fight installation
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[30:51.840 --> 30:55.000]  but replacing old meters comes at a steep price.
[30:55.000 --> 31:00.360]  We consumers will end up footing the multi-billion dollar cost and suffer the health fallout.
[31:00.360 --> 31:04.520]  Smart meters use electromagnetic radiation to report a home's electric consumption
[31:04.520 --> 31:05.860]  to the power company.
[31:05.860 --> 31:10.140]  The meters beam several signals per minute and emit two to three times the radiation
[31:10.140 --> 31:11.140]  of a cell phone.
[31:11.140 --> 31:15.040]  It doesn't take an electrical engineer to understand the threat posed by round the clock
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[31:21.120 --> 31:24.440]  Visit StopSmartMeters.org to find out how.
[31:24.440 --> 31:26.480]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
[31:26.480 --> 31:32.680]  More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[31:32.680 --> 31:38.040]  This is building seven, a 47-story skyscraper that fell on the afternoon of September 11th.
[31:38.040 --> 31:43.480]  The government says that fire brought it down, however, 1,500 architects and engineers concluded
[31:43.480 --> 31:45.120]  it was a controlled demolition.
[31:45.120 --> 31:47.800]  Over 6,000 of my fellow service members have given their lives.
[31:47.800 --> 31:50.560]  Thousands of my fellow first responders are dying.
[31:50.560 --> 31:51.880]  I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
[31:51.880 --> 31:52.880]  I'm a structural engineer.
[31:52.880 --> 31:54.400]  I'm a New York City correction officer.
[31:54.400 --> 31:55.400]  I'm an Air Force pilot.
[31:55.400 --> 31:57.080]  I'm a father who lost his son.
[31:57.080 --> 31:59.680]  We're Americans and we deserve the truth.
[31:59.680 --> 32:03.320]  Go to RememberBuilding7.org today.
[32:03.320 --> 32:08.280]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the internet isn't so
[32:08.280 --> 32:12.040]  easy and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[32:12.040 --> 32:14.880]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then.
[32:14.880 --> 32:16.080]  Brave New Books?
[32:16.080 --> 32:17.080]  Yes.
[32:17.080 --> 32:21.280]  Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like Alex Jones,
[32:21.280 --> 32:23.280]  Ron Paul, and G. Edward Griffin.
[32:23.280 --> 32:27.360]  They even stock inner food, Berkey products, and Calvin soaps.
[32:27.360 --> 32:29.600]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[32:29.600 --> 32:31.060]  Go check it out for yourself.
[32:31.060 --> 32:34.880]  It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street, just south of UT.
[32:34.880 --> 32:38.720]  Oh, by UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[32:38.720 --> 32:44.040]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking
[32:44.040 --> 32:47.060]  facility, just behind the bookstore.
[32:47.060 --> 32:50.080]  It does exist, but when are they open?
[32:50.080 --> 32:54.840]  Monday through Saturday, 11 AM to 9 PM and 1 to 6 PM on Sundays.
[32:54.840 --> 33:04.680]  So give them a call at 512-480-2503 or check out their events page at bravenewbookstore.com.
[33:04.680 --> 33:21.000]  At Free Speech Radio, logosradionetwork.com.
[33:21.000 --> 33:50.440]  Yeah, I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[33:50.440 --> 34:12.280]  Okay, we are back, Randy Calvin and Deborah Stevens, we move our radio and we're talking
[34:12.280 --> 34:14.320]  to Gary in Texas.
[34:14.320 --> 34:15.960]  I'm here.
[34:15.960 --> 34:16.960]  Okay.
[34:16.960 --> 34:17.960]  Okay.
[34:17.960 --> 34:23.400]  Where were we, I was having too much fun on the break, I lost where we were at.
[34:23.400 --> 34:27.240]  Well, we just established that this is a third party debt collector.
[34:27.240 --> 34:30.520]  Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
[34:30.520 --> 34:32.240]  Use the standard procedure.
[34:32.240 --> 34:40.920]  Let's see, we need to send him a letter directing him not to call.
[34:40.920 --> 34:49.300]  Call David, David will get you a letter to send him and get you a ledger to buy your
[34:49.300 --> 34:53.040]  phone so you can keep a record of every time he calls you.
[34:53.040 --> 34:54.040]  Okay.
[34:54.040 --> 34:59.760]  To talk to David, he'll tell you the whole routine how to handle this guy.
[34:59.760 --> 35:01.320]  Okay.
[35:01.320 --> 35:02.920]  He'll make you a lot of money.
[35:02.920 --> 35:03.920]  Okay.
[35:03.920 --> 35:12.680]  And you might want to try what we talked about earlier is send him a, offered a contract.
[35:12.680 --> 35:13.680]  Okay.
[35:13.680 --> 35:17.240]  Yeah, go back and listen to the first half of the show.
[35:17.240 --> 35:18.240]  Okay.
[35:18.240 --> 35:20.040]  Where I'm talking about Ken Kuniyuki.
[35:20.040 --> 35:21.040]  Okay.
[35:21.040 --> 35:28.640]  Is this still an issue about filing the motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction or is
[35:28.640 --> 35:31.280]  this not even apply now since it's third party?
[35:31.280 --> 35:33.280]  Oh, no, that's different, yeah.
[35:33.280 --> 35:34.280]  Completely.
[35:34.280 --> 35:38.240]  It still doesn't apply because he has no power to come into this court.
[35:38.240 --> 35:39.240]  Okay.
[35:39.240 --> 35:45.640]  So first I would offer the contract with him because he may be a good shot for that.
[35:45.640 --> 35:47.120]  Okay.
[35:47.120 --> 35:48.560]  And lawyers are dumb, man.
[35:48.560 --> 35:50.480]  They don't get it.
[35:50.480 --> 35:54.880]  They only do what they do and if you do something different, they don't get it and they hate
[35:54.880 --> 35:55.880]  to research.
[35:55.880 --> 35:58.200]  They hate to do any work.
[35:58.200 --> 35:59.200]  Right.
[35:59.200 --> 36:00.580]  So he may not get it.
[36:00.580 --> 36:04.440]  He may get a good charge where you can snatch him into court.
[36:04.440 --> 36:08.240]  When you sue him, that's going to double his malpractice insurance immediately and
[36:08.240 --> 36:09.560]  that's going to make him unhappy.
[36:09.560 --> 36:10.560]  Yeah.
[36:10.560 --> 36:12.040]  And then you sue him for a lot of money.
[36:12.040 --> 36:14.000]  You might want to file a bar grievance or two.
[36:14.000 --> 36:22.840]  Make sure you get his malpractice insurance revoked or canceled and cost him a lot of
[36:22.840 --> 36:24.800]  money in court.
[36:24.800 --> 36:26.560]  Okay.
[36:26.560 --> 36:30.680]  Welcome him to the deep end of the pool.
[36:30.680 --> 36:31.680]  Okay.
[36:31.680 --> 36:32.680]  We are going to move ahead.
[36:32.680 --> 36:33.680]  We've got some more.
[36:33.680 --> 36:35.120]  Do you have anything else for us?
[36:35.120 --> 36:36.400]  No, that's great.
[36:36.400 --> 36:38.640]  I really appreciate it, guys.
[36:38.640 --> 36:39.640]  Good.
[36:39.640 --> 36:41.000]  Have fun with it.
[36:41.000 --> 36:49.120]  We had Mike from Wisconsin was complaining because he had gotten several thousand from
[36:49.120 --> 36:54.040]  each of the credit card collectors and now he is out of credit cards.
[36:54.040 --> 36:57.080]  He didn't have anybody else to sue.
[36:57.080 --> 36:58.080]  Okay.
[36:58.080 --> 37:00.240]  All right.
[37:00.240 --> 37:01.720]  Thank you, Gary.
[37:01.720 --> 37:05.480]  Now we're going to go to Carol in Washington.
[37:05.480 --> 37:08.320]  Yes, I'm here.
[37:08.320 --> 37:09.320]  Hello.
[37:09.320 --> 37:10.320]  Hello.
[37:10.320 --> 37:11.320]  Okay.
[37:11.320 --> 37:12.320]  This is not Carol.
[37:12.320 --> 37:13.320]  This is Brian.
[37:13.320 --> 37:14.320]  Brian.
[37:14.320 --> 37:15.320]  No, no.
[37:15.320 --> 37:16.320]  This is Carol.
[37:16.320 --> 37:17.320]  This is Carol.
[37:17.320 --> 37:18.320]  Okay.
[37:18.320 --> 37:23.360]  My call screener, just because I've been picking on the call screener, he's screwed
[37:23.360 --> 37:26.080]  up my notations.
[37:26.080 --> 37:27.560]  Okay.
[37:27.560 --> 37:30.640]  You have a question or comment for us, Carol?
[37:30.640 --> 37:32.440]  I definitely have questions.
[37:32.440 --> 37:33.440]  Yes.
[37:33.440 --> 37:39.760]  It's in regard to a mortgage to give you some background real briefly.
[37:39.760 --> 37:41.480]  Carol, just a second.
[37:41.480 --> 37:43.320]  Do you have a radio on in the background?
[37:43.320 --> 37:44.320]  No, I don't.
[37:44.320 --> 37:45.320]  I'm talking to you.
[37:45.320 --> 37:46.320]  Okay.
[37:46.320 --> 37:48.720]  We're kind of getting an echo from this end.
[37:48.720 --> 37:51.280]  I can hear that echo.
[37:51.280 --> 37:52.920]  Do you have a headset on?
[37:52.920 --> 37:54.320]  No, I don't have a headset.
[37:54.320 --> 38:00.440]  I'm talking to you through a microphone and I'm talking to you on Google's call phone.
[38:00.440 --> 38:01.440]  Let me check.
[38:01.440 --> 38:02.440]  Okay.
[38:02.440 --> 38:03.440]  That's it.
[38:03.440 --> 38:04.440]  That's all right.
[38:04.440 --> 38:05.440]  I'll break down.
[38:05.440 --> 38:10.340]  If you have your speakers set up too loud, the sound will sometimes bounce off of you
[38:10.340 --> 38:12.680]  and go back into the mic.
[38:12.680 --> 38:16.760]  I've moved everything down volume wise to about 50%.
[38:16.760 --> 38:19.040]  Does that help me?
[38:19.040 --> 38:20.520]  That sounds good to me.
[38:20.520 --> 38:22.080]  Do you hear anything, Steve?
[38:22.080 --> 38:23.080]  No, we're good.
[38:23.080 --> 38:24.080]  Go ahead.
[38:24.080 --> 38:25.080]  Okay.
[38:25.080 --> 38:26.080]  Sorry to interrupt.
[38:26.080 --> 38:28.960]  I'll try and give you a brief background right quick.
[38:28.960 --> 38:37.280]  Like I said, I've been in this house since 1971, which is going on 42 years.
[38:37.280 --> 38:47.680]  I bought the house by way of a private contract, paid it off in 86, then refinanced from there
[38:47.680 --> 38:51.720]  and this is the third refinance from that point to bring you.
[38:51.720 --> 38:53.080]  That was your third mistake.
[38:53.080 --> 38:54.080]  Yes.
[38:54.080 --> 39:00.040]  Your third refi was you're putting a mortgage on your house was your first, refi was a second.
[39:00.040 --> 39:01.040]  I agree.
[39:01.040 --> 39:02.040]  Refis, refis.
[39:02.040 --> 39:05.760]  Yeah, I'll let you go ahead.
[39:05.760 --> 39:08.480]  We make mistakes and I made them, obviously.
[39:08.480 --> 39:09.480]  Okay.
[39:09.480 --> 39:16.120]  Anyway, the refi, the last refi date was 2003, October.
[39:16.120 --> 39:20.320]  I'm now within a week of foreclosure, you're supposed to, in other words, you're supposed
[39:20.320 --> 39:28.960]  to auction everything off come Friday of next week, which is the 14th and the original,
[39:28.960 --> 39:36.960]  the original mortgage originator, I guess we would call this person or this outfit would
[39:36.960 --> 39:49.040]  be BNC mortgage, which has long been taken out of business by way of Lehman Brothers.
[39:49.040 --> 39:51.280]  Did you say PNC?
[39:51.280 --> 39:55.640]  B as in boy, N as in number and C as in Charlie.
[39:55.640 --> 40:02.640]  BNC is incorporated down in Irvine, California is where they were at the time.
[40:02.640 --> 40:03.640]  Okay.
[40:03.640 --> 40:08.960]  Have you looked at the documents in the county registrar's office?
[40:08.960 --> 40:15.400]  That's one of the areas I'm dealing with right now trying to ascertain how many assignments
[40:15.400 --> 40:18.280]  and transfers went on.
[40:18.280 --> 40:24.360]  And I don't have a clue how many, uh, go, okay, here's what you do pointed or been,
[40:24.360 --> 40:26.360]  you know, transferred to over the years.
[40:26.360 --> 40:27.360]  Okay.
[40:27.360 --> 40:28.360]  Okay.
[40:28.360 --> 40:29.360]  Stop.
[40:29.360 --> 40:30.360]  Stop.
[40:30.360 --> 40:31.360]  It's it is in the record.
[40:31.360 --> 40:36.960]  Well, if it's not in the record, it doesn't exist, some of the records, but not all of
[40:36.960 --> 40:37.960]  them.
[40:37.960 --> 40:38.960]  Okay.
[40:38.960 --> 40:39.960]  Don't.
[40:39.960 --> 40:40.960]  Okay.
[40:40.960 --> 40:41.960]  We can't both talk at the same time.
[40:41.960 --> 40:42.960]  Hold on.
[40:42.960 --> 40:44.960]  Go to the county clerk or registrar of deeds.
[40:44.960 --> 40:53.720]  Whoever does that in Washington and ask the clerk to do a search for any documents filed
[40:53.720 --> 40:55.840]  on this property.
[40:55.840 --> 41:03.720]  Now some clerks search by name, some by address, some by property description, ask the clerk
[41:03.720 --> 41:12.160]  to do a search by on all three and give you a printout of the search that they get and
[41:12.160 --> 41:17.480]  ask the clerk to write on the document, how much they charge for the copy.
[41:17.480 --> 41:21.980]  The clerk will not give you a certified copy of that printout.
[41:21.980 --> 41:24.880]  So you have the clerk right on it.
[41:24.880 --> 41:28.560]  That's as good as certification because if you need to, you can bring the clerk into
[41:28.560 --> 41:31.840]  court and say, do you recognize this document?
[41:31.840 --> 41:34.240]  Is that your handwriting there?
[41:34.240 --> 41:37.640]  And that'll establish that the document came from the clerk.
[41:37.640 --> 41:41.680]  That'll give you foundation like we talked about earlier.
[41:41.680 --> 41:53.800]  And then ask for a copy of each document that's referenced in that printout from the date
[41:53.800 --> 41:56.560]  of the last refi.
[41:56.560 --> 42:03.120]  Actually, you should do it from the date you purchased the property, the date of the warranty
[42:03.120 --> 42:06.600]  deed forward.
[42:06.600 --> 42:09.520]  Statutory warranty deed, you mean in 1971?
[42:09.520 --> 42:10.720]  Yes.
[42:10.720 --> 42:11.720]  Wow.
[42:11.720 --> 42:12.720]  Okay.
[42:12.720 --> 42:13.720]  No, there won't be much in there.
[42:13.720 --> 42:15.200]  There's not much in there.
[42:15.200 --> 42:20.560]  I have more or less chronologically come up with a number of document numbers that go
[42:20.560 --> 42:25.760]  chronologically from 8-10-71, the date we bought the property up until.
[42:25.760 --> 42:26.960]  Okay.
[42:26.960 --> 42:32.680]  Just get copies of the documents themselves because a lot of times a document's listed
[42:32.680 --> 42:33.720]  two or three times.
[42:33.720 --> 42:38.400]  It may list it in your name, your wife's name, the lender's name.
[42:38.400 --> 42:44.800]  So sometimes they appear more than once, but get everything that's filed in the record.
[42:44.800 --> 42:45.800]  Okay.
[42:45.800 --> 42:47.520]  But I don't have a lot of time.
[42:47.520 --> 42:51.720]  I've got just a few days.
[42:51.720 --> 42:59.880]  The question I had was in connection with the originator who is no longer in business
[42:59.880 --> 43:05.320]  and it is likely impossible to ever obtain a valid assignment or to the trust from that
[43:05.320 --> 43:08.080]  point on.
[43:08.080 --> 43:11.560]  Is there a valid assignment in the record?
[43:11.560 --> 43:19.320]  There may be one or two, but I question whether there is in connection with BNC after he went
[43:19.320 --> 43:20.320]  out of business.
[43:20.320 --> 43:21.320]  Okay.
[43:21.320 --> 43:29.960]  You can't ask that question until you can say with certainty what is in the record and
[43:29.960 --> 43:31.840]  what is not in the record.
[43:31.840 --> 43:35.180]  That's why I ask you to do that.
[43:35.180 --> 43:40.000]  Be down there first thing Monday morning and get those records.
[43:40.000 --> 43:46.800]  You can't raise a question about an assignment if you don't know what it is.
[43:46.800 --> 43:47.800]  That's logical.
[43:47.800 --> 43:48.800]  It's sounding.
[43:48.800 --> 43:49.800]  Yes, I agree.
[43:49.800 --> 43:50.800]  Okay.
[43:50.800 --> 43:51.800]  Okay.
[43:51.800 --> 43:52.800]  Hang on.
[43:52.800 --> 43:53.800]  We'll be back on the other side.
[43:53.800 --> 43:57.160]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, The Rule of Law Radio here with Steve Skidmore.
[43:57.160 --> 44:03.480]  We'll be right back on the other side.
[44:03.480 --> 44:08.920]  Mr. President, members of Congress, you've been making a lot of noise about taking our
[44:08.920 --> 44:12.920]  guns away, but you might want to review history.
[44:12.920 --> 44:16.960]  1835, Gonzales, Texas territory.
[44:16.960 --> 44:21.800]  The authorities wanted to confiscate the big gun that protected that colony.
[44:21.800 --> 44:24.080]  You know what the people said?
[44:24.080 --> 44:31.360]  Come and take it because they were willing to fight for their freedom and their guns.
[44:31.360 --> 44:34.960]  So are we.
[44:34.960 --> 44:48.080]  Come and take it if you want it, come and take it if you think you can.
[44:48.080 --> 44:49.080]  Come and take it, but I warn you, you'll have to pry it from our cold dead hands.
[44:49.080 --> 44:50.080]  We want the freedom that God gave us, so you best not cross that line.
[44:50.080 --> 44:58.800]  If you want this gun, you gotta come through us and take it one shot at a time.
[44:58.800 --> 45:02.960]  Just like Gonzales, we're keeping our guns.
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[46:24.160 --> 46:30.960]  Okay, we are back.
[46:30.960 --> 46:37.920]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Carol in Washington.
[46:37.920 --> 46:39.980]  There are some things you need to do.
[46:39.980 --> 46:40.980]  What date?
[46:40.980 --> 46:41.980]  What is the sale date?
[46:41.980 --> 46:42.980]  Wait a minute.
[46:42.980 --> 46:46.120]  That's Washington with an R in the middle of it, right?
[46:46.120 --> 46:47.120]  Yeah.
[46:47.120 --> 46:48.120]  Washington.
[46:48.120 --> 46:49.120]  Washington.
[46:49.120 --> 46:50.120]  Right.
[46:50.120 --> 46:51.120]  Okay.
[46:51.120 --> 46:52.120]  Just wanted to make sure.
[46:52.120 --> 46:53.120]  Right.
[46:53.120 --> 46:54.120]  Yeah.
[46:54.120 --> 46:55.120]  Don't speak Yankee.
[46:55.120 --> 46:56.120]  Okay.
[46:56.120 --> 47:03.960]  The sale date is scheduled for the 14th of June, a week from today.
[47:03.960 --> 47:06.960]  Oh, you got plenty of time.
[47:06.960 --> 47:07.960]  Okay.
[47:07.960 --> 47:13.280]  There are two or three things you can do.
[47:13.280 --> 47:17.880]  File a suit against them, but the first thing before you file a suit against them, you got
[47:17.880 --> 47:22.560]  to find out what claims you will have.
[47:22.560 --> 47:28.080]  I suggest you call David Lewis, talk to him in the morning.
[47:28.080 --> 47:32.960]  He will explain what you need to do.
[47:32.960 --> 47:40.780]  It's easier than you think to file suit, and nothing else is going to get the bank's attention,
[47:40.780 --> 47:48.520]  but if you can't get that done in time, then first go look in the record.
[47:48.520 --> 47:53.400]  Do you have your copy of your deed of trust?
[47:53.400 --> 47:54.400]  Yes.
[47:54.400 --> 47:55.400]  All your closing documents.
[47:55.400 --> 47:59.000]  15 copies of the crazy thing you sent during-
[47:59.000 --> 48:00.000]  Okay.
[48:00.000 --> 48:02.400]  Is MERS included on the deed of trust?
[48:02.400 --> 48:04.000]  Yes, they are.
[48:04.000 --> 48:05.000]  Oh, wonderful.
[48:05.000 --> 48:08.040]  You got lots of cool stuff.
[48:08.040 --> 48:09.040]  Yeah.
[48:09.040 --> 48:10.040]  Okay.
[48:10.040 --> 48:18.800]  The next thing you want to do is put together a letter and send it to the trustee.
[48:18.800 --> 48:31.880]  Whoever sent you the notice of intent to sell, send that person a notice that the foreclosure
[48:31.880 --> 48:41.000]  is flawed, and any subsequent foreclosure will be fraudulent.
[48:41.000 --> 48:47.680]  And since you have notice, you will not be free from suit.
[48:47.680 --> 48:53.200]  I'm still getting some strange echo back there, a slow echo.
[48:53.200 --> 48:55.200]  There's a delayed echo.
[48:55.200 --> 48:58.240]  Keep going, keep rolling.
[48:58.240 --> 49:07.160]  Okay, the trustee is immune from suit if he acts in good faith.
[49:07.160 --> 49:12.820]  So you send him a letter telling him that the foreclosure is fraudulent.
[49:12.820 --> 49:20.160]  Now he can no longer claim good faith, and that'll tend to make him run like a rabbit.
[49:20.160 --> 49:23.440]  So do that first.
[49:23.440 --> 49:29.000]  And then do that first thing Monday morning, and then head down to the clerk and get all
[49:29.000 --> 49:32.360]  the documents that are there.
[49:32.360 --> 49:37.360]  And then call David, and have David call me, and I'll walk you through the documents so
[49:37.360 --> 49:39.480]  we can tell you what kind of claim you got.
[49:39.480 --> 49:44.040]  Do you have David Lewis's number, or was that the same one?
[49:44.040 --> 49:45.680]  Yes, I do.
[49:45.680 --> 49:55.000]  His number is 512-772-4700.
[49:55.000 --> 50:10.800]  You can also go to remediesinrealestate.com, and that's remediesinrealestate.com, and click
[50:10.800 --> 50:18.800]  on the free forensic analysis link, and that'll open up a map.
[50:18.800 --> 50:23.220]  Click on the center note of the map, and it will give you instructions of the first things
[50:23.220 --> 50:24.220]  you should do.
[50:24.220 --> 50:29.680]  There are a number of letters you need to get sent out, but that'll kind of give you
[50:29.680 --> 50:33.800]  a breakdown on what you should start doing.
[50:33.800 --> 50:41.280]  You might also consider, if it comes to that, a filing bankruptcy.
[50:41.280 --> 50:47.820]  Now, this is the only remedy that lawyers tend to have, but we tend to only use that
[50:47.820 --> 50:50.920]  as a last resort.
[50:50.920 --> 50:57.880]  If the property sells, and you go to an eviction hearing, and the eviction hearing rules against
[50:57.880 --> 51:03.560]  you, and they're about to come and throw you out of the property, then you file bankruptcy.
[51:03.560 --> 51:06.920]  But we have a number of things you can do in the meantime.
[51:06.920 --> 51:13.720]  Most important, get a letter to the trustee that'll almost certainly stop the sale, and
[51:13.720 --> 51:22.120]  get a letter to the trustee, get all the documents from the county record, and then start sending
[51:22.120 --> 51:25.280]  out these letter requests.
[51:25.280 --> 51:33.320]  You'll find them listed in that map.
[51:33.320 --> 51:38.960]  I've sent out so many letters already, it's just like a ream that I've already got accumulated.
[51:38.960 --> 51:48.100]  Okay, what we're doing with these letters is we're invoking very specific law.
[51:48.100 --> 51:54.880]  You want to send a letter to every notary who has notarized a document in the public
[51:54.880 --> 52:01.560]  record, requesting evidence of the notary, or the authentication.
[52:01.560 --> 52:10.400]  You also want to send a letter to every company for whom someone has signed a document, and
[52:10.400 --> 52:17.140]  request of that company evidence of power of attorney for that person.
[52:17.140 --> 52:18.520]  Those need to go out right away.
[52:18.520 --> 52:24.320]  They will establish prima facie evidence of fraudulent documents, which will set you up
[52:24.320 --> 52:29.400]  for declaratory judgments, petitions for declaratory judgment.
[52:29.400 --> 52:34.560]  Okay, it's all in that map on the website.
[52:34.560 --> 52:45.400]  It'll tell you what you need to do, and why you need to do it, what it establishes.
[52:45.400 --> 52:51.600]  We could tell you more, actually we could probably do about eight hours worth of telling
[52:51.600 --> 52:54.880]  you more.
[52:54.880 --> 53:01.840]  But right now, there's not much we can tell you until we know what's actually in the record.
[53:01.840 --> 53:05.480]  Okay, do you have any other questions?
[53:05.480 --> 53:08.760]  Sure, go ahead.
[53:08.760 --> 53:15.960]  Okay, we're filing an affidavit of notice of revocation of power of attorney.
[53:15.960 --> 53:20.600]  I've already filed a revocation of the deed of trust.
[53:20.600 --> 53:24.520]  No, do not file a revocation of power of attorney.
[53:24.520 --> 53:28.840]  You're talking about revoking power of attorney for the trustee?
[53:28.840 --> 53:32.960]  That's value that or with the, yeah, with the...
[53:32.960 --> 53:34.480]  Okay, in some states-
[53:34.480 --> 53:36.780]  I tried that myself, it didn't work.
[53:36.780 --> 53:38.800]  In some states, that's criminal.
[53:38.800 --> 53:40.080]  Oh, really?
[53:40.080 --> 53:47.420]  You had authority to appoint the original trustee when you prepared the deed of trust.
[53:47.420 --> 53:54.240]  But subsequent to that, you have no power over appointing or removing a substitute trustee.
[53:54.240 --> 53:57.280]  The lender has that power.
[53:57.280 --> 54:02.820]  If you attempt that to remove the trustee, it's equated with fraud.
[54:02.820 --> 54:10.960]  So I would not send that removal with revocation of power of attorney unless you send it based
[54:10.960 --> 54:17.840]  on improper actions by the trustee.
[54:17.840 --> 54:22.620]  There are other more elegant ways of handling the trustee.
[54:22.620 --> 54:31.720]  For instance, since your document is a MERS document, the first two paragraphs of the
[54:31.720 --> 54:38.860]  deed of trust start after the definition section.
[54:38.860 --> 54:45.000]  First paragraph is a transfer of property rights, and it purports to transfer the rights
[54:45.000 --> 54:49.200]  to the property to the trustee.
[54:49.200 --> 54:55.560]  And after that, there's a property description, generally an address or a meets and bounds.
[54:55.560 --> 55:01.560]  And then right after that, there's a paragraph that starts with together with.
[55:01.560 --> 55:13.280]  And the together with paragraph, it says that because the deed of trust grants the property,
[55:13.280 --> 55:19.760]  legal title of the property to the trustee together with all improvements and anything
[55:19.760 --> 55:27.200]  you do to the property is included in there so that it becomes a part of the collateral.
[55:27.200 --> 55:33.060]  But when they went to MERS, they added a sentence in the middle of that paragraph that said,
[55:33.060 --> 55:38.720]  you understand that MERS is not the beneficiary, but only holds the legal title.
[55:38.720 --> 55:46.880]  Well, that's what the paragraph above it claims, they just transferred to the trustee.
[55:46.880 --> 55:53.040]  The very next paragraph, they grant legal title to MERS.
[55:53.040 --> 56:01.700]  That makes the document not a deed of trust, but a grant, an undisclosed grant.
[56:01.700 --> 56:09.760]  And if it's not a grant, the language in the document is so confusing and ambiguous as
[56:09.760 --> 56:12.320]  to render the document unenforceable.
[56:12.320 --> 56:15.000]  So there's another way of handling that.
[56:15.000 --> 56:23.680]  You can maintain that the trustee was never granted any authority about the deed of trust.
[56:23.680 --> 56:28.520]  That's a lot more elegant than trying that power of attorney.
[56:28.520 --> 56:29.520]  Does that make sense?
[56:29.520 --> 56:34.720]  It does make sense, but I, you know, I need, I need some guidance on how to word it, if
[56:34.720 --> 56:35.720]  you will.
[56:35.720 --> 56:36.720]  Okay.
[56:36.720 --> 56:37.720]  Okay.
[56:37.720 --> 56:38.720]  Talk to David, he will help you.
[56:38.720 --> 56:42.960]  We have a business that we help people with these issues.
[56:42.960 --> 56:45.840]  We have lots of things we can do.
[56:45.840 --> 56:52.480]  So give David a call in the morning and we'll see what we can do to help you.
[56:52.480 --> 56:53.480]  Okay.
[56:53.480 --> 56:57.400]  Do you have any other questions?
[56:57.400 --> 56:58.920]  Well, yeah, I do.
[56:58.920 --> 56:59.920]  I'll ask you.
[56:59.920 --> 57:01.200]  Was that Saturday morning?
[57:01.200 --> 57:04.040]  You want him to call on a Saturday morning?
[57:04.040 --> 57:05.040]  Yeah.
[57:05.040 --> 57:06.040]  Yeah.
[57:06.040 --> 57:07.040]  No problem.
[57:07.040 --> 57:08.040]  Okay.
[57:08.040 --> 57:14.080]  Next question relates to the excise tax for that $10 consideration.
[57:14.080 --> 57:16.600]  Do you know anything about that?
[57:16.600 --> 57:19.880]  Not a thing.
[57:19.880 --> 57:22.920]  Is that a Washington state of Washington tax?
[57:22.920 --> 57:32.800]  Are you talking about $10 consideration on the warranty deed, $10, another valuable consideration?
[57:32.800 --> 57:33.800]  That's the one.
[57:33.800 --> 57:37.840]  Although my statutory warranty deed was with a private con with, you know, with the private
[57:37.840 --> 57:38.840]  individual sales.
[57:38.840 --> 57:39.840]  Okay.
[57:39.840 --> 57:40.840]  So that's fine.
[57:40.840 --> 57:41.840]  Mocks snakes.
[57:41.840 --> 57:42.840]  What was the verbiage?
[57:42.840 --> 57:50.880]  It doesn't say anything about the $10 in my, in my, uh, I don't know, wait a minute.
[57:50.880 --> 57:54.600]  What excise tax are you talking about?
[57:54.600 --> 57:56.760]  Well, that's what I'm trying to establish.
[57:56.760 --> 57:57.760]  Okay.
[57:57.760 --> 57:58.760]  I have no idea.
[57:58.760 --> 58:00.440]  I know nothing about it.
[58:00.440 --> 58:05.400]  You'd have to give me something more than just the words excise tax.
[58:05.400 --> 58:15.960]  Well, I can maybe direct you to the recording that covers that if that would help you.
[58:15.960 --> 58:18.960]  Not I can't do it on the show, but talk to David about that.
[58:18.960 --> 58:21.720]  So maybe he can look it up or something.
[58:21.720 --> 58:27.240]  I think it's about, okay.
[58:27.240 --> 58:28.240]  We'll talk to David tomorrow.
[58:28.240 --> 58:29.900]  We're about to go to break.
[58:29.900 --> 58:34.560]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of law radio here with our special guests,
[58:34.560 --> 58:35.860]  Dean Skidmore.
[58:35.860 --> 58:38.880]  Stay there, Carlos.
[58:38.880 --> 58:39.880]  Hang on Carlos.
[58:39.880 --> 58:43.360]  It's been a while since we talked to you.
[58:43.360 --> 58:46.160]  I call it number five, one, two, six, four, six, 1984.
[58:46.160 --> 58:48.800]  We're going to our top of our break.
[58:48.800 --> 58:51.120]  We'll be backing about.
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[01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:14.640]  Story for everyone to hear, thought how we're not going to give in to the fear, yeah it's
[01:03:14.640 --> 01:03:27.640]  a story, it's a story, I will live by my brother's house, I will tell him the truth, I will live
[01:03:27.640 --> 01:03:45.400]  by my brother's house, yeah I will live by my brother's house, till I see his face, I
[01:03:45.400 --> 01:04:02.160]  will live by my brother's house, I will guard these walls and fences, I will take his place,
[01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:10.160]  I will live by my brother's house, I will guard these walls and fences, I will take
[01:04:10.160 --> 01:04:11.160]  his place.
[01:04:11.160 --> 01:04:22.080]  Help with Debbie Stevens, Restore Radio, we had a great break there, the last caller
[01:04:22.080 --> 01:04:31.760]  apparently was on a voice over IP and we couldn't tell it, but apparently everything was feeding
[01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:39.040]  back on the air and nobody could understand anything after last 20 minutes so we're gonna
[01:04:39.040 --> 01:04:49.220]  to get a lot more particular about Bluetooth, computer speakers. When you use computer speakers
[01:04:49.220 --> 01:04:56.100]  where you have a mic in front of you and then speakers pointing at you, if you get the sound
[01:04:56.100 --> 01:05:01.260]  up a little too loud or the mic a little too hot, then the sound will bounce off of you
[01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:10.280]  and back into the microphone. Voice over IP has a problem with feedback anyway. Headsets
[01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:17.460]  and Bluetooth especially, they have a lot of problems. So in the future, if we get any
[01:05:17.460 --> 01:05:22.400]  feedback at all, we're going to break the call rather than have more time like that
[01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:25.960]  where people are essentially listening to dead air.
[01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:33.400]  Okay, with that said, let's go to Carlos in California. Hello, Senor Carlos.
[01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:38.560]  How are you? Can you hear me? Yes, I can. It's been a while.
[01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:45.720]  Yes, yes, yes. I would like to make a question and ask a question and make a comment. Out
[01:05:45.720 --> 01:05:52.640]  here in California, I know you know better that the judge will not let you ask for the
[01:05:52.640 --> 01:06:02.040]  note, and they say the bank does not need the note on hand when he's initiating the
[01:06:02.040 --> 01:06:08.880]  foreclosure, which is fine. The way we're finding it, now we go out and get a third
[01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:18.480]  member chain of title with an affidavit, which is the same thing as asking for the note,
[01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:31.040]  but we just turn it around. Okay, that's my point. My question is this. In 1987, I refinanced
[01:06:31.040 --> 01:06:37.840]  with World Savings. World Savings changed its name to Wachovia, and then Wachovia merged
[01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:46.880]  into Wells Fargo. My question is this. Do they need a sign from Wachovia, from Wells
[01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:59.440]  Fargo or Wachovia? Yes. Okay. Wells Fargo is not Wachovia. Actually,
[01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:07.480]  Wells Fargo purchased Wachovia. We have a case here in Texas where a magistrate did
[01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:17.780]  an analysis. It was Chase Home Finance and JP Morgan Chase Bank. Chase Home Finance is
[01:07:17.780 --> 01:07:27.680]  a fully owned subsidiary of JP Morgan Chase. JP Morgan Chase held a note. Chase Home Finance
[01:07:27.680 --> 01:07:41.760]  foreclosed. The court said Chase Home Finance is not JP Morgan Chase. Even though it's wholly
[01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:47.800]  owned by them, it is a different company. There would have had to have been an assignment
[01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:58.980]  of the deed of trust from JP Morgan Chase to Chase Home Finance. Wachovia held a note.
[01:07:58.980 --> 01:08:07.760]  Now when World Finance changed their name, World Savings changed their name to Wachovia,
[01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:11.000]  they wouldn't have had to have done an assignment because it's the same company, just a different
[01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:21.360]  name. But when Wells Fargo purchased Wachovia, not the same company, just a different name.
[01:08:21.360 --> 01:08:30.680]  Different company, had to be an assignment. Right. I understand that. And it makes it
[01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:41.040]  a lot clearer now. Wells Fargo started the foreclosure. I know I said this already many,
[01:08:41.040 --> 01:08:46.720]  many times, but I want people who haven't heard it to hear it so they can look at the
[01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:54.360]  last document before they got thrown out of the house. On the trustee's deed, what is
[01:08:54.360 --> 01:09:02.200]  it? A trustee's deed upon sale? Substitute trustee's deed. Well, they send me, when they
[01:09:02.200 --> 01:09:10.480]  sold the property, they send me a deed. And it says very clearly, the grantee, that's
[01:09:10.480 --> 01:09:16.520]  Wells Fargo because Wells Fargo never sold the house. I was there. So they gave the home
[01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:22.320]  back to Wells Fargo and Wells Fargo became the grantee. Now this is legal is that they're
[01:09:22.320 --> 01:09:32.240]  trying to hide in front of you. So they said that grantee, that's Wells Fargo, was not
[01:09:32.240 --> 01:09:38.760]  the foreclosing beneficiary. And I said to myself, if you're not the foreclosing beneficiary,
[01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:46.680]  you didn't have the right to foreclose or invoke the power sale. Right. Wait, I'm not
[01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:58.200]  sure what's your question. Now who has the power to invoke the power sale? You, me or
[01:09:58.200 --> 01:10:08.520]  the foreclosing beneficiary? The foreclosing beneficiary does. Okay. Then Wells Fargo acted
[01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:15.800]  as the foreclosing beneficiary, but as the deed when they sold my property, it says Wells
[01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:20.280]  Fargo was not the foreclosing beneficiary. So I said to myself, if you're not the foreclosing
[01:10:20.280 --> 01:10:25.720]  beneficiary, you did not have the right to initiate the foreclosure foreclosure. Was the
[01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:36.400]  foreclosing beneficiary named in the deed? On the deed, on the original deed, it's world
[01:10:36.400 --> 01:10:44.800]  savings. No, wait a minute. No, not the original deed. No, I'm talking about, I'm sorry, I'm
[01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:56.480]  talking about the refinance. That's world savings. Okay. Is MERS included in the documentation?
[01:10:56.480 --> 01:11:13.040]  No. Did, okay, so is there an uninterrupted chain of assignments of the deed of trust
[01:11:13.040 --> 01:11:23.320]  in the public record? Yes, because there's no assignment to Wells Fargo. Oh, wait a minute.
[01:11:23.320 --> 01:11:30.440]  That was okay. You say Wells Fargo did not do the, okay, you're saying Wells Fargo initiated
[01:11:30.440 --> 01:11:36.200]  the foreclosure and then they purchased back. Oh, Wachovia was the original and they didn't
[01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:45.800]  sign. You can, you can claim that Wells Fargo didn't have standing to foreclose because
[01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:53.220]  there was no assignment from Wachovia. There was no statement of Wachovia and they were
[01:11:53.220 --> 01:12:02.320]  not the foreclosing beneficiary. That's what I'm fighting. Yeah. Have you sent a letter
[01:12:02.320 --> 01:12:11.560]  to every person, to the, to the company for whom anyone has signed a document in the county
[01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:17.720]  record asking for evidence of power of attorney? No, but I just heard you say that and that's
[01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:22.480]  what I'm going to work on that tomorrow because I just heard you say that to the other gentleman.
[01:12:22.480 --> 01:12:28.240]  Okay. Yeah. See, you can go to the court and say, your honor, this guy here, he is a robo
[01:12:28.240 --> 01:12:33.160]  signer. Well, his name is splattered all over the internet and the judge is going to say,
[01:12:33.160 --> 01:12:40.440]  okay, so that doesn't mean he doesn't have agency to sign in this capacity in this particular
[01:12:40.440 --> 01:12:45.200]  instance. But you go back to the court and you say, your honor, this guy's a robo signer,
[01:12:45.200 --> 01:12:50.160]  his name splattered all over the internet. So we had reason to believe that he did not
[01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:56.320]  have power of attorney for this company and we sent a request to the company asking for
[01:12:56.320 --> 01:13:02.160]  evidence of power of attorney of this individual. And we did not receive a response. Therefore
[01:13:02.160 --> 01:13:07.040]  we have reason to believe and do believe this guy's a robo signer.
[01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:09.640]  Right. That's something the judge can wrap his head
[01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:19.140]  around. Same thing with all the notaries. You ask the notary for evidence of authentication
[01:13:19.140 --> 01:13:31.140]  and in California, according to Rick Tonini, if a document is notarized outside of California
[01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:46.240]  for a transaction in California, the notarization has to have a sworn oath on it. They have
[01:13:46.240 --> 01:13:51.240]  to swear under penalty of perjury that all this is correct. Most of them don't have that
[01:13:51.240 --> 01:13:58.200]  in their head. Yeah, I haven't seen one. Right. That's specific to California if it's a notary
[01:13:58.200 --> 01:14:04.000]  outside the state. Okay. Okay. If you need the statute, send me an email. I'll get it
[01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:11.040]  from Rick and get that to you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. And like I said, I already did
[01:14:11.040 --> 01:14:20.280]  the chain of title and it was just written. Okay, hold on. I got a guy in Pennsylvania
[01:14:20.280 --> 01:14:30.800]  tell me this one and it was so clever. Send a letter to the insurance company that held
[01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:39.880]  your hazard insurance, your homeowner's insurance, and ask them for a list of all entities who's
[01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:51.320]  claimed standing as beneficiary on the policy. Okay. Should I do that? That's kind of a backdoor
[01:14:51.320 --> 01:14:57.160]  way of doing a securities analysis. Yes. It's very clear because if you want to go through
[01:14:57.160 --> 01:15:02.740]  the front door, they won't let you. Exactly. And the insurance company, they don't have
[01:15:02.740 --> 01:15:14.120]  a dog in this hunt. So they don't care. If you get an odd name in there, then have you
[01:15:14.120 --> 01:15:19.560]  done a securities analysis on this issue, on this document? No, it was privatized and
[01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:26.200]  no one can find it. And guess why it was privatized? Now let me tell you something that I have
[01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:36.080]  never noticed and I just noticed. Define privatized. Where are you getting this term? Well, the
[01:15:36.080 --> 01:15:42.640]  securitization was in private. They did not put it on the... Then it's okay, then you're
[01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:50.680]  talking about a private trust. Okay. Right. Right. Okay. Private remake. Private remake.
[01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:57.400]  Okay. That's a good word. You know what a remake is? Yes. Okay. You're talking about
[01:15:57.400 --> 01:16:06.480]  a private remake. Okay. There are only a few private remics and it takes a special kind
[01:16:06.480 --> 01:16:12.480]  of guy to get into one and I know one of those. Okay. You know one of those. Okay. Very good.
[01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:19.560]  Yes. And what's your name, sir? My name is Steve Skidmore. Okay. Mr. Skidmore. Okay.
[01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:24.000]  Very good. Okay. Let me tell you something real quick because I want to let somebody
[01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:34.800]  else speak. I noticed on my notes and on my deed of trust, I signed that the same day
[01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:40.640]  and guess what? Both signatures are totally different. I could not have signed differently
[01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:47.120]  in the same day within 10 minutes. Oh, good. Talking about forgery. We are definitely going
[01:16:47.120 --> 01:16:52.760]  to want to talk about this when we come back. Hang on, Carlos. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah
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[01:20:14.320 --> 01:20:16.680]  Ok, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Our Radio, here with our special guest
[01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:23.100]  Steve Skidmore and we're talking to Carlos in California. Okay, you were
[01:20:23.100 --> 01:20:31.580]  saying that the Deed of Trust has two copies with different signatures. Will
[01:20:31.580 --> 01:20:38.700]  you explain that again? I have the Deed of Trust in my in my left hand. Well I'm
[01:20:38.700 --> 01:20:43.620]  pertaining I have it on my left hand and I have the note on my on my right hand. I
[01:20:43.620 --> 01:20:50.520]  have the last page of each document and those signatures are a hundred percent
[01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:55.560]  differently. I'm claiming that I could not have signed differently within two
[01:20:55.560 --> 01:21:04.920]  minutes or ten minutes. Now I called a specialist on handwriting and it says
[01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:10.680]  give me a document that's very close to that same date that you signed it. I
[01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:16.680]  pulled out my passport. It's only about two years differently and my signature
[01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:20.600]  is totally different than both of them.
[01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:27.160]  The signature on your passport is different than either of those
[01:21:27.160 --> 01:21:33.240]  signatures on their documents. Yes. That's probable cause to, oh wait a minute,
[01:21:33.240 --> 01:21:44.360]  hold on one other thing. I think it's covenant 19 or 23 I forget. When there is
[01:21:44.360 --> 01:21:52.640]  a substitute trustee sale, I think it's 19, the substitute trustee is required to
[01:21:52.640 --> 01:22:02.000]  return the note in Deed of Trust to you. Until that's been done they haven't met
[01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:09.560]  the covenants of the contract. So the sale is not complete. Okay they're in
[01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:15.040]  breach of contract, right? That's in Deed of Trust. They're in breach of
[01:22:15.040 --> 01:22:20.360]  contract. Well not exactly in breach of contract but according to the contract
[01:22:20.360 --> 01:22:25.120]  they haven't met all the requirements of the contract so the sale cannot be
[01:22:25.120 --> 01:22:32.600]  construed as complete because they haven't met all the requirements and
[01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:37.720]  that would be a good one to go in and ask for those documents to complete the
[01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:43.640]  contract. And there's another breach of contract if I do I need to hold back
[01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:48.240]  here just a minute? You done? Yes go ahead. Okay there's another breach of
[01:22:48.240 --> 01:22:57.320]  contract if you'll look most of your standard Deeds of Trust are you're going
[01:22:57.320 --> 01:23:07.880]  to find a section in there usually paragraph 16 or paragraph section 16, 18
[01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:14.720]  or 20. Excuse me what you're looking for is governing law and severability. That
[01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:21.000]  will be 16. 16 okay I found it on in 20 and some but the governing law and
[01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:28.040]  severability the language in their states absent the severability clause
[01:23:28.040 --> 01:23:33.680]  the governing law portion of that states that this Deed of Trust shall be
[01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:39.280]  governed by the laws of the United States and of the jurisdiction in where
[01:23:39.280 --> 01:23:50.520]  the property is located. Now break one and you have breached the contract that
[01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:58.500]  is break one law of the United States or one law of whatever state you're in. Now
[01:23:58.500 --> 01:24:04.800]  does your state have a requirement that if there be a Deed of Trust or an
[01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:13.600]  instrument recorded then any subsequent instrument to that recorded instrument
[01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:23.080]  must also be filed in the same manner. If your state has such a statute then the
[01:24:23.080 --> 01:24:31.640]  absence of a related document such as oh I don't know an assignment or power of
[01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:41.080]  attorney either or that's a breach of that contract isn't it or a brief it's a
[01:24:41.080 --> 01:24:45.840]  breach of that element of that contract. Now how many laws can how many laws of
[01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:53.320]  your state and how many federal laws how many consumer protection laws these are
[01:24:53.320 --> 01:24:58.480]  the United States laws your TELA, RESPA they're going to argue that oh TELA and
[01:24:58.480 --> 01:25:03.920]  RESPA doesn't matter three years is good whoa wait a minute TELA and RESPA the
[01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:08.520]  three-year statute of limitations on TELA and RESPA are specific to
[01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:14.400]  rescission and I would agree yeah after three years it's too late to rescind but
[01:25:14.400 --> 01:25:18.840]  under the maxim that once a fraud always a fraud you would sue for fraud in the
[01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:24.520]  factum and there is a statutory amount for each violation that you can claim.
[01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:32.720]  And primarily just for on the foreclosure issue is you can you don't
[01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:40.920]  claim the remedy provided in hope of TELA, RESPA you claim breach of contract
[01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:49.720]  correct and that's a lot easier for the judge to wrap his head around than hope
[01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:58.320]  of TELA, RESPA. You asked to rescission have you made a claim based on the fees
[01:25:58.320 --> 01:26:06.360]  charged at closing no no that's a good way to get you back in court with them
[01:26:06.360 --> 01:26:15.280]  at closing did the lender provide documentation to show that the fees that
[01:26:15.280 --> 01:26:20.480]  were charged on the HUD one settlement statement were not otherwise forbidden
[01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:28.480]  to be charged by law that the services charged for were actually rendered that
[01:26:28.480 --> 01:26:37.240]  the vendor to whom the remission was made was a bona fide vendor and not a
[01:26:37.240 --> 01:26:42.160]  front company for one of your fiduciaries that the service was
[01:26:42.160 --> 01:26:48.080]  necessary that the amounts charged were reasonable and that the lender did not
[01:26:48.080 --> 01:26:51.880]  take an undisclosed markup on the amounts charged did you have
[01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:59.120]  documentation to show that I have now you have reason to believe that all of
[01:26:59.120 --> 01:27:05.880]  the fees on the HUD one settlement statement were fraudulent I have I do so
[01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:13.720]  I do a whole calculation on that where I bring you about three to five times the
[01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:18.960]  original principle in a claim against the lender this you can go in and sue
[01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:26.000]  them straight up for fraud by non-disclosure and fraud per se and as
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:33.080]  a reason I went to that is under the Truth in Lending Act I'm sorry under the
[01:27:33.080 --> 01:27:39.200]  Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act right at the end almost the last statute
[01:27:39.200 --> 01:27:49.360]  in there if after foreclosures commenced if you can show a false fee in excess of
[01:27:49.360 --> 01:28:00.880]  $35 the right to rescind renews right in there so you go back to the false
[01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:09.400]  fees statute or limitations so there's no statute of limitations on that well
[01:28:09.400 --> 01:28:17.400]  there is but you're well within it fraud is five years from discovery okay and
[01:28:17.400 --> 01:28:24.760]  when you entered into the contract you exercised due diligence in that you only
[01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:33.720]  dealt with licensed offenders licensed vendors who were subject to a number of
[01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:41.000]  consumer protection laws and who were subject to federal oversight that gave
[01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:48.040]  you reason to a reasonable expectation of good faith and fair dealing from
[01:28:48.040 --> 01:28:58.840]  these licensed vendors at closing the lender charged these fees on the hun one
[01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:03.440]  settlement statement and you had no reason to doubt the veracity of the
[01:29:03.440 --> 01:29:12.280]  lender subsequent to the stipulations made by all of the major banks in the
[01:29:12.280 --> 01:29:18.640]  settlement agreement with the office of the comptroller of the currency the
[01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:25.240]  lender can no longer claim good faith and now you have reason to believe that
[01:29:25.240 --> 01:29:30.880]  you were defrauded when you were charged these false fees they're commonly
[01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:37.400]  called road ash fees that's a Florida case where women sued over a $50 fee in
[01:29:37.400 --> 01:29:45.280]  one this would give you a way to walk back in the door and say it wasn't until
[01:29:45.280 --> 01:29:50.520]  this information came out about the improper practices at the bank that you
[01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:55.160]  got notice of these false fees hang on this is Randy Kelton Deborah Stevens
[01:29:55.160 --> 01:30:01.600]  rule of law radio I call it number five one two six four six 1984
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[01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:24.640]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. We move our radio and we're talking to Carlos in California.
[01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:28.640]  I got a little distracted on the break.
[01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:30.640]  I don't know why.
[01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:34.640]  We are reading definitions. We may get to those later.
[01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:44.640]  But have you done a complete analysis of the documents in the record? I'm sure you've done that haven't you Carlos?
[01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:53.640]  Yes, and like I said, I paid someone a third party because I wanted to come from a third party so it makes it more believable.
[01:34:53.640 --> 01:35:01.640]  And he did a chain of title on that chain of title does not have an assignment from Wachovia to Wells Fargo.
[01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:07.640]  Are you talking about an abstract or when you say chain of title what define?
[01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:12.640]  I mean I know what a chain of title is but are you...
[01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:20.640]  Chain of title in my understanding is if I sell a document to you and then you assign it to me.
[01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:25.640]  Yes, yes, yes. Carlos, I know what a chain of title is but you're using the term...
[01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:33.640]  You say you've got a chain of title from somebody. Define what you mean by in that context.
[01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:48.640]  What I mean is that this person in writing said since I bought this property, the property was assigned to this person and this person is assigned to this and this date and this date.
[01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:51.640]  Okay, I think he's saying chain of title analysis.
[01:35:51.640 --> 01:36:02.640]  Analysis or yeah, what I'm trying to get at is did you get a chain of title analysis or did you get an abstract from like a title company?
[01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:20.640]  I did get a... Well, we call it here chain of title. That's what we call it and what he did in writing, he says on this date, this document was assigned by this person.
[01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:29.640]  On this other date, this document number was assigned to another person. Now I have the copies of those documents that I'm going to attach.
[01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:58.640]  Okay, but what I'm digging for is credibility of who it was that did this analysis. That's why I need to know, did you go to a private company and the private company did a chain of title analysis and what kind of credentials does the private company have or did you go to a title company and did they do an abstract or something to that effect?
[01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:13.640]  I went to a company that does this for some other companies and does it also for courts and he says the judge knows who I am and I do this very, very, very, very often.
[01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:25.640]  So he says they don't know who I am. So that's why I went with that route. I didn't want to do it on my own because I needed someone else to come in and prove what I'm trying to prove.
[01:37:25.640 --> 01:37:38.640]  Well, I agree with your thesis on the third party evidence. Absolutely. It does you no good. You're not a credible witness. You have a dog in the hunt. You're not a credible witness.
[01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:43.640]  Yes. I have a fishing rod. I know.
[01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:55.640]  As far as the county records are concerned, you can be a credible witness because you're only addressing what is in the records absolutely provable.
[01:37:55.640 --> 01:38:00.640]  Right. It's not your testimony. It's testimony of the public record.
[01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:03.640]  And there's self evidence, I know.
[01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:06.640]  Have you done any kind of securities analysis?
[01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:08.640]  He said yes.
[01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:15.640]  Okay. Did you find names other than Wachovia?
[01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:18.640]  Well, it started with world savings.
[01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:21.640]  Oh, I'm sorry. That's right. You said it was privatized.
[01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:22.640]  Right.
[01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:36.640]  Okay. Okay. My bad. My bad. Okay. So the next thing to do is go to the insurance company and see if you can find that other people have claimed beneficiary status.
[01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:44.640]  Now, this handwriting expert is very knowledgeable. He's supposed to be number one in the United States. Okay.
[01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:57.640]  But anyway, I'm going to hire him as another third party and he's going to write an affidavit and tell the judge whether that signature most likely is mine or most likely is not mine.
[01:38:57.640 --> 01:39:05.640]  Because remember, those two documents I signed within 15 minutes and those signatures are totally different.
[01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:10.640]  Will you copy them to a page and send them to me?
[01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:13.640]  Yeah, I already have it on PDF.
[01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:19.640]  Good. Send it to me. I'd like to look at it. I've done a lot of research in graphology.
[01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:20.640]  Okay.
[01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:25.640]  I'd like to do an assessment and see how my assessment matches with your expert.
[01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:38.640]  Okay. I'm going to send you even a copy of my original signature that's printed on my passport.
[01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:45.640]  Good. Yeah. I'd like all three of them, the note, the deed of trust, and your passport.
[01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:46.640]  Yes.
[01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:54.640]  And also take a small blank piece of paper and write your name, put your signature on it and scan it all.
[01:39:54.640 --> 01:40:01.640]  Or see if you can find some other document that has nothing to do with any of this that might have your signature on it.
[01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:15.640]  The reason I say go ahead and sign a blank piece of paper is he might get into court and the judge might hand him a blank piece of paper and a pen and say, sir, would you scribble your name right here for me?
[01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:25.640]  I would like to see, or if I were looking at this, I would want to see if there is a variance between the one on the passport two years ago and being the control.
[01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:28.640]  There's no changing the past and the present.
[01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:35.640]  And now you've got these other two. You've got two that do match, but now you've got these other two that don't. That's very conspicuous.
[01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:55.640]  From a graphological standpoint, that probably won't make any difference because the actual look of the overall look of the handwriting, a graphologist looks for more specific things like certain kinds of movements.
[01:40:55.640 --> 01:41:19.640]  Graphology is all about the movement of the hand, about how they make your curves, how they tie the tops of loops together, where the cross strikes the top middle or wherever it comes across on a T, where the I dot lands.
[01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:40.640]  Little things like that, and mostly we look at how the letters spread apart, the letters close together, the relationship between the middle section, top section, lower section, big loops, little loops, sharp turns in the loops, ticks in the loops.
[01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:55.640]  One of the indications of drug use is where you make an upstroke like an L and you come around the top of the L and turn back down and just as you move down a little bit, there's a little tick.
[01:41:55.640 --> 01:42:06.640]  And that's because you're having a little more trouble coordinating the movement and you lose concentration just for a second. It makes a little tick.
[01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:30.640]  They're very characteristic. So there are some very characteristic things that if someone was trying to forge a signature and they were not familiar with graphology, no way they could do it because what the graphologist looks at are very specific tiny little portions of the writing.
[01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:41.640]  That's why it is so effective. That's why I wanted to see it. I wanted to see what kind of forms were there. Besides, when I look at your handwriting, I can tell more about you than your mother knows.
[01:42:41.640 --> 01:43:04.640]  Right. You know what's more interesting that I did not know until this professional told me, he says, I want a signature as close as possible to the date when you sign those documents because your signature is going to vary from year to year or from year to year.
[01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:10.640]  Absolutely. It'll vary depending on how you're feeling at the time.
[01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:11.640]  Right.
[01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:21.640]  If you're angry, if you're frightened, if you're nervous, your body tension will change how you write.
[01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:30.640]  Remember, I signed those documents within half an hour, so I was feeling pretty much the same whether I was angry, mad or otherwise.
[01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:37.640]  But even that, there are characteristics in the writing that absolutely will not change.
[01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:40.640]  Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I love it. I love it.
[01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:43.640]  Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Carlos. Don't be a stranger.
[01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:44.640]  I'm not.
[01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:57.640]  Okay. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. We're going into our last segment. This is our call-in number 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:30.640]  We are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and Steve has brought something to my attention that I think everybody needs to understand.
[01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:38.640]  We talk about don't use terms unless you know what they mean, especially when you're dealing in areas of law.
[01:47:38.640 --> 01:47:48.640]  Because you go into court and they're using words that sound like words you use every day, but they're not using them in the same context.
[01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:56.640]  It's a really good idea that if you can't define a term, then you shouldn't use it.
[01:47:56.640 --> 01:48:06.640]  And he sent me a term that was used in a court action in the form of an affirmative defense.
[01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:17.640]  I believe it was a defamation case, if I'm not mistaken. I haven't found the actual site. I'm still looking for the actual case site.
[01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:23.640]  Okay, I'm going to read the affirmative defense to third cause of action.
[01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:32.640]  As a first affirmative defense to plaintiff's third cause of action, defendant alleges as follows.
[01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:41.640]  The word asshole is not a word specific, not a word of specific generic exactitude.
[01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:49.640]  The word asshole when used to describe a physical portion of the human body is a void surrounded by the anal sphincter muscle.
[01:48:49.640 --> 01:49:00.640]  On the other hand, when used as a characterization of an individual, the word asshole denotes that the individual possesses some or all of the following.
[01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:23.640]  His acts or missions do not conform generally to an accepted pattern among members of a particular social group of which the individual using the characterization is a member.
[01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:31.640]  A person who by his conduct causes derision to be heaped upon him by one or more other persons.
[01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:41.640]  A person whose conduct has attained the degree of contemptibility such that it defies characterization by any other conventional language.
[01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:57.640]  A person generally considered by his peers to conduct himself in such a manner as displays a callous disregard for the feelings of other human beings and thus deserving of being shunned and ostracized.
[01:49:57.640 --> 01:50:16.640]  Now here's his argument, defendant did not intend nor were his remarks understood by plaintiff or any other person to mean that the plaintiff is in truth and in fact a void surrounded by the anal sphincter muscle.
[01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:31.640]  On the other hand, defendant intended and plaintiff and others understood defendant to mean that plaintiff is indeed an asshole within the meaning of the colloquialized characterization of an individual as described above.
[01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:37.640]  In truth and in fact, plaintiff is an asshole.
[01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:51.640]  Now we know what it means. I felt that I owed it to you all to give you that very well structured definition.
[01:50:51.640 --> 01:51:04.640]  So the next time you feel the need to use that term, you will understand exactly what it is you're saying.
[01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:09.640]  And you will have an affirmative defense if sued for defamation.
[01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:11.640]  For calling somebody that?
[01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:12.640]  Yes.
[01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.640]  Wait a minute, I don't see how that was a defense.
[01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:31.640]  It was a demure more or less. I mean, you know, if you look at the, the guy's basically saying that he had no other way to characterize the general, you know.
[01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:33.640]  Okay, he said, yeah, I did it.
[01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:34.640]  Exactly.
[01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:35.640]  But it was okay today.
[01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:37.640]  I've got no other choice, yeah.
[01:51:37.640 --> 01:51:44.640]  Oh, okay, okay. He's saying I did it, but it wasn't defamation because it was true.
[01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:46.640]  Yes.
[01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:48.640]  Okay.
[01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:50.640]  Yes.
[01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:54.640]  Okay, well, we are, we're out of callers and.
[01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:57.640]  And you're probably out of a radio career too.
[01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:09.640]  I'm out of a radio career after that one. Yeah, I did, I talked earlier about this document, this tool that I'm creating.
[01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:23.640]  And I would like to reiterate, if you've got anybody out there who's really good at working with web documents and computer graphics.
[01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:32.640]  I have some sophisticated structures that I am trying to get an idea of how to create them.
[01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:37.640]  One of them is the Legal Earth tool.
[01:52:37.640 --> 01:52:40.640]  We've pretty well figured out how we want to do it.
[01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:54.640]  We want to build a crystalline globe that will be presented similar to Google Earth, except this will be Legal Earth.
[01:52:54.640 --> 01:53:02.640]  It'll be a crystal globe with the political boundaries of the planet etched into the globe.
[01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:14.640]  And then we'll take the globe and shrink it down and center it so that we have one that looks like it would be the size of the core of the planet.
[01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:19.640]  And then three more around that each at increasing size.
[01:53:19.640 --> 01:53:22.640]  So they look like layers.
[01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:33.640]  The center layer, if you roll the globe around till you're on the ocean, so there's no political boundaries there.
[01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:46.640]  When you go in and click on the innermost globe, that will bring up a listing of all international treaties.
[01:53:46.640 --> 01:54:01.640]  Then you click on the next level, it will bring up the laws that have been enacted for the purpose of implementing those treaties, the international laws.
[01:54:01.640 --> 01:54:20.640]  The next level above that, regulations regulating the agencies that enforce the statutes, and then around that rules of the agency to implement the regulations to implement the statutes.
[01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:32.640]  So it will graphically demonstrate the relationships between the treaties, the statutes, the regulations, and the rules.
[01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:34.640]  And the structure of law.
[01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:45.640]  Yeah, it's something that a lot of, especially pro se researchers, and myself included,
[01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:53.640]  we tend to focus on one particular area of research.
[01:54:53.640 --> 01:55:04.640]  And it's kind of like we wind up with a couple of empty tubes of toilet paper and we stick one over each eyeball and all we can see is the one thing that we're looking at.
[01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:25.640]  And we miss an important aspect of law, and that is the interrelationships between not only the laws, rules, and regulations, but also the interrelationships between one law and another law.
[01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:35.640]  So that's part of what this is designed to do. And then on the outside, we'll have the political boundaries of all the planets.
[01:55:35.640 --> 01:55:47.640]  Well, if anybody has any familiarity with the 3D modeling, we will take the boundary and extrude it down into the planet and shrink it.
[01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:58.640]  So it shrinks down almost to a point, but not quite. And then we'll do that three times, just like the three globes in the center.
[01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:15.640]  So the bottom will be the implementing documentation for the political entity, be it a declaration or constitution or whatever it is that creates the country.
[01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:25.640]  And then above that will be statutes, like for the United States it would be federal statutes, then regulations, then a layer for rules.
[01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:32.640]  And we'll do the same thing again for each of the counties, for each of the political subdivisions.
[01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:46.640]  And then above, like a cloud layer, we'll put a layer of nodes that will be labeled for each area of legal practice.
[01:56:46.640 --> 01:57:04.640]  And that layer, if you rotate the globe, that layer will essentially stay in the same place, so that whatever area of the planet you're on, these areas of legal practice will be hovering over them.
[01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:16.640]  And if you click on one of the areas, say criminal, it will expand out into a map, and I'll soon have a bunch of these up on the web.
[01:57:16.640 --> 01:57:29.640]  I just structured out a questionnaire on due process, booking procedure, magistration and criminal charges.
[01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:35.640]  I've got those structured out where you can open this.
[01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:47.640]  If it's criminal, you open criminal and the first one you click on will open a questionnaire to evaluate a criminal case.
[01:57:47.640 --> 01:58:07.640]  And it'll walk you through all of the elements of the case, and we'll have one of those developed for each area of legal practice, and as you open them, red lines will extrude down to point from the issue down to the statute on which the issue is based.
[01:58:07.640 --> 01:58:20.640]  We're going to make this an open source project so that people all over the planet can upload laws so we'll have one place you can go and find all the laws in a way that people can understand it.
[01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:26.640]  If anybody wants to help produce this, I would appreciate it.
[01:58:26.640 --> 01:58:31.640]  We are out of time. Thank you, Steve, for giving us your time.
[01:58:31.640 --> 01:58:34.640]  Thank you for the invitation. I always enjoy it.
[01:58:34.640 --> 01:58:42.640]  We will be back next Thursday and Friday. Deborah and Eddy will be on Monday on the traffic show.
[01:58:42.640 --> 01:58:44.640]  Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:46.640]  We look forward to you being back.
[01:58:46.640 --> 01:59:05.640]  Good night.
[01:59:16.640 --> 01:59:21.640]  Good night.
[01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:59.640]  Good night.