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[03:22.560 --> 03:38.560]  OK, this is Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. Debra's going to take the
[03:38.560 --> 03:47.120]  night off. She's got company and she has a lot she's doing. She's been producing a movie
[03:47.120 --> 03:52.760]  and that should be coming out soon. So we're going to give her a little rest tonight. You'll
[03:52.760 --> 04:03.200]  have to put up with me. The first thing I wanted to talk about was an email I got. Every
[04:03.200 --> 04:11.640]  once in a while we get some unusual emails and if anybody has listened to the show for
[04:11.640 --> 04:18.720]  a long time, you never really hear me talk about this part, but I am not particularly
[04:18.720 --> 04:27.040]  religious and that's not really a conscious choice. It's just kind of the way things
[04:27.040 --> 04:34.880]  worked out. I don't know if there is a God, if there is. He has not elected to touch my
[04:34.880 --> 04:45.280]  heart yet. It's not that I'm not open. I just haven't got there yet. But I do find
[04:45.280 --> 04:54.000]  religion interesting. I got this email and I will read it to you. After the extended
[04:54.000 --> 05:02.360]  period of months, we not listen to Rule of Law Radio because I am an objectivist and
[05:02.360 --> 05:08.380]  I will not listen to Christians rant and rave about the magical fantasies in their minds.
[05:08.380 --> 05:14.260]  I decided to tune in tonight and listen. Someone was substituted and while there were some
[05:14.260 --> 05:18.360]  good points discussed, the announcer kept saying over and over that the problem with
[05:18.360 --> 05:26.920]  America is people keep turning away from God, myself not being superstitious and therefore
[05:26.920 --> 05:32.680]  not believing in God's rather magical superstitious beings, I took offense to this and turned
[05:32.680 --> 05:40.560]  Rule of Law Radio off. It's a shame that Rule of Law Radio gives such good legal information
[05:40.560 --> 05:47.600]  and then ignores law of causality and tries to drive things like rights and truth from
[05:47.600 --> 05:56.120]  your Christian myth. Does anybody know what he's talking about?
[05:56.120 --> 06:06.480]  If I read this right, he is saying he is an objectivist. Well, this doesn't sound very
[06:06.480 --> 06:19.780]  objective. You know, I've lived in religion a long time and I'm an engineer. And for
[06:19.780 --> 06:30.080]  those who don't believe in the religious metaphor, there's a problem. I have the
[06:30.080 --> 06:36.760]  problem myself. You know, when I went to college for electrical engineering, first thing, first
[06:36.760 --> 06:44.600]  day, first class electronic theory, they get all our tuition, get us set down in the classroom
[06:44.600 --> 06:51.840]  and the professor walks in and looks out over the class and he said, electricity, we don't
[06:51.840 --> 06:58.480]  know what it is. And we're all kind of flabbergasted, looking at each other wondering what the heck
[06:58.480 --> 07:02.920]  we paid all this money for. And then he goes on to say, but we do know some things that
[07:02.920 --> 07:12.040]  it does. And based on our experience, we have developed certain theorems, axioms, postulates
[07:12.040 --> 07:17.600]  to describe what it does. But all through your electronics career, never forget, we
[07:17.600 --> 07:23.800]  don't know what it is. But there are some things we do know. And one of the things we
[07:23.800 --> 07:30.240]  know is Mother Nature has all these laws. First law, Mother Nature enforces all of her
[07:30.240 --> 07:41.380]  laws all of the time. So if one of our theorems actually is a postulates, if our experience
[07:41.380 --> 07:47.480]  violates one of our theorems axioms or postulates, quick like a bunny rabbit, you throw out the
[07:47.480 --> 07:55.360]  theorem axiom or postulate. Never throw out phenomena.
[07:55.360 --> 08:08.040]  So from this objectivist perspective, for 6000 years of known history, we have written
[08:08.040 --> 08:15.800]  evidence that people worshiped gods, that people spoke of gods, they spoke of dealing
[08:15.800 --> 08:30.280]  with gods in the first person. This interaction with gods has been replete all through history.
[08:30.280 --> 08:39.520]  Now, I can't explain that. I don't know how these people could be talking to God.
[08:39.520 --> 08:49.320]  But for 6000 years, people have been talking to God. You can't ignore that. As an engineer
[08:49.320 --> 08:59.120]  and as someone who tries to be objective, I don't get to toss something just because
[08:59.120 --> 09:03.440]  I can't figure it out.
[09:03.440 --> 09:10.520]  So the first point of being objective, he doesn't seem very objective. The second
[09:10.520 --> 09:21.680]  thing is his statement, the announcer kept saying over here, probably the Americans keep
[09:21.680 --> 09:27.920]  turning from God, not being superstitious and therefore not believing in gods. I did
[09:27.920 --> 09:37.360]  not understand how those two fit together or other magical superstitious beings. I took
[09:37.360 --> 09:44.500]  offense. Now, why on earth would he take offense?
[09:44.500 --> 09:50.040]  This goes to something else. If you've listened a long time, you've probably heard
[09:50.040 --> 09:56.760]  me talk about the rubber ball theory. I went through that one Friday night. I had to go
[09:56.760 --> 10:01.440]  through it kind of quickly because it took a little longer than the show really allowed
[10:01.440 --> 10:03.480]  for.
[10:03.480 --> 10:12.860]  But it's about how you will not create in your life what you want or what you wish for.
[10:12.860 --> 10:18.660]  Life doesn't work that way. You will create in your life what you expect. If you expect
[10:18.660 --> 10:25.400]  to be successful, if you expect things to go well for you, you will conduct yourself
[10:25.400 --> 10:31.200]  in a way that ensures that things go well for you. But if you're raised up in an abusive
[10:31.200 --> 10:35.240]  environment and you're treated as if you're worthless, rotten, and no good all your life
[10:35.240 --> 10:40.600]  and you've never amount to anything, you're likely to grow up with the expectation that
[10:40.600 --> 10:44.160]  you will never amount to anything.
[10:44.160 --> 10:53.080]  And if the stars fall in place for you and things go well for you and everything goes
[10:53.080 --> 11:00.400]  the way you've always wanted and always wished for, you'll like it. This is what you always
[11:00.400 --> 11:11.720]  wanted. Problem. Deep in your heart where you live, you know that is not right. I know
[11:11.720 --> 11:20.720]  deep down in my heart that I'm basically rotten, and no good. So I'm always waiting for the
[11:20.720 --> 11:24.200]  other foot to fall.
[11:24.200 --> 11:29.800]  The example that I use is take the child who's been in an abusive environment, take him out
[11:29.800 --> 11:34.240]  of the abusive environment and treat him the way he's always wanted and always wished
[11:34.240 --> 11:40.800]  for. He likes it. This is what he's always wanted. The problem is he doesn't have an
[11:40.800 --> 11:47.560]  experiential basis for how to deal, how to react and respond to these circumstances,
[11:47.560 --> 11:55.840]  and that triggers an internal response far more powerful than you want in your wishes.
[11:55.840 --> 12:07.120]  The most dangerous thing internally to a human being is not knowing how to react and respond.
[12:07.120 --> 12:14.360]  Being out of control equates to danger, equates to threat. That frightens humans more than
[12:14.360 --> 12:21.280]  anything else. When something occurs, you have no idea what is going on, no idea how
[12:21.280 --> 12:26.480]  to react and respond. There's nothing more debilitating. When I do therapeutic metaphor,
[12:26.480 --> 12:34.160]  I use that. I do what's called a pattern interruption. I'll lead somebody down the garden path and
[12:34.160 --> 12:41.640]  then do a 90 degree with no warning. They're sitting there stuck. They have no idea what's
[12:41.640 --> 12:49.000]  going on. I've talked about doing that before on the air, about how I like to do that to
[12:49.000 --> 12:55.080]  prosecutors and judges. But it's a very profound experience for people, and mostly
[12:55.080 --> 13:03.920]  it's an internal experience. What happens to people is they have an internal expectation.
[13:03.920 --> 13:12.640]  In life, it violates that internal expectation. The internal feeling that something is wrong
[13:12.640 --> 13:20.280]  is more powerful than the joy and appreciation of getting your wants and your wishes fulfilled.
[13:20.280 --> 13:28.640]  So what do we do? We recreate our expectations. We take the child out of the abusive environment,
[13:28.640 --> 13:32.240]  treat him the way he's always wanted and always wished for. He's going to crap all
[13:32.240 --> 13:38.760]  over you. He's going to do something really rotten to get you to treat him in a way that
[13:38.760 --> 13:45.040]  he's accustomed to. Now, he doesn't like it, but he knows how to handle himself in
[13:45.040 --> 13:53.980]  that situation. He does not feel as though he doesn't know what to do. So he will recreate
[13:53.980 --> 14:03.080]  his comfort zone. Human beings can become comfortable with the most horrible circumstances.
[14:03.080 --> 14:11.280]  Which brings me back to this email. Why would he take offense? I don't particularly have
[14:11.280 --> 14:17.720]  a religious leaning, but I don't have a reaction to it either. I'm not in any way
[14:17.720 --> 14:25.520]  anti-religion. I'm what you might call a religion. I don't really have an opinion
[14:25.520 --> 14:33.200]  for the most part one way or the other. I accept that it has given millions and millions
[14:33.200 --> 14:42.820]  of people great comfort. To that degree, it is of great value. But don't take offense.
[14:42.820 --> 14:52.340]  You couldn't offend me with religion. So why is he offended? People do opposites.
[14:52.340 --> 15:02.520]  Be careful what you rail against. If you feel compelled to rail against something, it's
[15:02.520 --> 15:12.000]  time to look inside because people do opposites. Take someone—I hope this doesn't offend
[15:12.000 --> 15:17.660]  anybody—the people I call the Jesus freaks. Now, I know some people who are very religious
[15:17.660 --> 15:22.660]  and I love them dearly. But then I come across people sometimes, they got this look and this
[15:22.660 --> 15:31.380]  voice intonation that says, Oh, look at me. I'm so pious. And you know, the way I read
[15:31.380 --> 15:37.660]  the Bible, that is exactly against what the Bible says. But when I see that, I look at
[15:37.660 --> 15:44.440]  their behavior and say, What statement is their behavior making to themselves about
[15:44.440 --> 15:53.000]  themselves? What are they trying to convince themselves of? And then ask yourself, what's
[15:53.000 --> 15:58.740]  the opposite? It'll give you a good idea of where he holds his mind and why he feels
[15:58.740 --> 16:04.740]  compelled to convince you of how pious he is because deep in his heart, he doesn't
[16:04.740 --> 16:15.220]  feel that at all. Now, that may not be right, but it will certainly give you a more sophisticated
[16:15.220 --> 16:24.100]  way of reacting and responding to people who act outside the cultural norm. We do have
[16:24.100 --> 16:29.800]  three callers already. So that's all I'm going to say about that email. I did have
[16:29.800 --> 16:37.940]  great fun with it. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. I call in number
[16:37.940 --> 16:47.220]  512-646-1984. And if I've offended anyone, call in and let me know. I certainly tried
[16:47.220 --> 16:52.580]  not to, but if anybody's offended by anything I've said, call me, let me know. We'll be
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[19:24.460 --> 19:46.860]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking about
[19:46.860 --> 19:54.380]  the Christian God myth and why somebody is so anti-Christian, I don't understand it.
[19:54.380 --> 19:58.300]  And Deborah wanted to pop in. She had a comment on this subject.
[19:58.300 --> 20:06.140]  Yes, absolutely. I was in the other room and I do have a company and anyway, I did finally
[20:06.140 --> 20:07.640]  finish the film project.
[20:07.640 --> 20:13.540]  Wait, hold on Deborah. I think I might've goofed a little bit. When I said the Christian
[20:13.540 --> 20:20.660]  God myth, I was reading that off his email. That didn't come out of my heart.
[20:20.660 --> 20:26.060]  Okay, good. Cause I was going to comment on that too. Yeah, I finished the film project
[20:26.060 --> 20:32.020]  yesterday. So State of Mind, the government mind control movie. It's about the history
[20:32.020 --> 20:35.960]  of government mind control that will be coming out very, very soon. We'll let y'all know
[20:35.960 --> 20:41.300]  about the release date, but needless to say, I haven't hardly slept for a week and so I
[20:41.300 --> 20:45.740]  do need to get some rest. That's why I'm mostly going to let Randy handle the show tonight
[20:45.740 --> 20:46.740]  on his own.
[20:46.740 --> 20:53.420]  But I did want to comment on this email. This, I did not receive the email. I saw the email,
[20:53.420 --> 20:59.260]  but I did not receive it. The reason I didn't receive it is because this particular individual
[20:59.260 --> 21:06.460]  has sent me so many emails over the last few years, always with the same title. I'm never
[21:06.460 --> 21:10.540]  listening to Rule of Law Radio again. I just turned it off. Why I just turned it off, blah,
[21:10.540 --> 21:16.340]  blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Always criticizing us, Eddie and me and the other hosts on the
[21:16.340 --> 21:23.540]  network when we speak about our God and savior, our Lord Jesus Christ. Okay. And this individual
[21:23.540 --> 21:31.420]  has not only just complained, he has gotten to the point of even being rude and threatening
[21:31.420 --> 21:37.260]  to me. And so I emailed him back. This is a year or two back and I told him, I'm not
[21:37.260 --> 21:42.220]  going to put up with the threats. Okay. You email me one more time. I don't care for whatever
[21:42.220 --> 21:46.980]  reason and I'm taking legal action against you. All right. So he has left me out of the
[21:46.980 --> 21:53.020]  email loop on this particular issue this time and I'm glad for that, but I am going to comment
[21:53.020 --> 21:59.940]  about this. All right. Listen, folks out there. This is a Christian based radio network. All
[21:59.940 --> 22:04.860]  right. I believe in our Lord and savior, our God and creator of the universe, our Lord
[22:04.860 --> 22:09.940]  Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of our God. Okay. And I am not ashamed to speak of him
[22:09.940 --> 22:14.180]  and to praise him on the air and to give him glory and give him credit where credit has
[22:14.180 --> 22:21.980]  is due because he has brought us through so many trials and tribulations and hard times.
[22:21.980 --> 22:27.740]  We would not be on the air right now if it was not due to the hand of Jehovah, our God,
[22:27.740 --> 22:34.160]  Jesus Christ himself. All right. We are on the air because of him and that, and therefore
[22:34.160 --> 22:39.740]  I am not ashamed to speak about him on the air. Okay. Hence, the name of the network
[22:39.740 --> 22:46.980]  logos. All right. It's named logos for a reason because in the, in the Greek text, the original
[22:46.980 --> 22:52.820]  Greek text and the new Testament, and that's the first verse in the book of John in the
[22:52.820 --> 22:58.380]  beginning was the word in Greek. It says logos in the beginning was the logos and the word
[22:58.380 --> 23:04.260]  was with God and the word was God and the word became flesh. That is Jesus Christ. All
[23:04.260 --> 23:09.660]  right. And he tabernacled among us and now he is in our spirit. All right. And that is
[23:09.660 --> 23:17.020]  the way that it is. And our belief system is very fundamental to our mission on the
[23:17.020 --> 23:22.940]  air of helping people and fighting this evil satanic system, et cetera, et cetera. All
[23:22.940 --> 23:29.540]  right. And so yes, this Christian message is the foundation and the basis for this entire
[23:29.540 --> 23:34.460]  network and this radio show and, and, uh, when we helping people with legal issues and
[23:34.460 --> 23:40.460]  everything else. And, and I don't appreciate that this person calls it a God myth because
[23:40.460 --> 23:48.480]  you know what? It's not a myth. Okay. Reality exists and truth exists whether people want
[23:48.480 --> 23:55.100]  to believe it or not. All right. The sun is in the sky. All right. Whether you want to
[23:55.100 --> 23:59.700]  believe it or not, the earth revolves around the sun, whether you want to believe it or
[23:59.700 --> 24:05.140]  not. Jesus Christ is real. Whether you want to accept him or not. He is as real to me
[24:05.140 --> 24:10.460]  as Jerry Stevens, my husband. I have, I have a relationship with him. Nobody can tell me
[24:10.460 --> 24:15.740]  he is not real. It is not a subjective faith with me. And, and most Christians will tell
[24:15.740 --> 24:23.660]  you the same thing. God is objective. Okay. Just like when you see the sun outside, it,
[24:23.660 --> 24:31.720]  that is an objective observation, right? It's not a subjective, uh, emotion. All right.
[24:31.720 --> 24:36.480]  So I, I'm going to stop talking about that, uh, at that point. But at any rate, the point
[24:36.480 --> 24:43.820]  that I'm trying to make about all of this is that folks, listen, the listeners out there
[24:43.820 --> 24:49.160]  are not entitled to our legal knowledge. All right. They're not entitled to anything. This
[24:49.160 --> 24:56.420]  is not a quote public forum, right? This is not public property. This is private property.
[24:56.420 --> 25:02.620]  I founded this network. This is Randy's show and my show. This is our property together.
[25:02.620 --> 25:07.020]  When Eddie and I do our show on Monday nights, that's our property. This network is my property.
[25:07.020 --> 25:11.140]  It's private property. We welcome all the listeners to tune in, but the listeners are
[25:11.140 --> 25:17.660]  not entitled to anything in particular when they tune in and they certainly have no right
[25:17.660 --> 25:24.220]  to tell us what we should and should not talk about on the air, on our network and our show.
[25:24.220 --> 25:30.820]  All right. This guy has told me in emails that we should, we have no place and no right
[25:30.820 --> 25:35.180]  to talk about our God and savior on the air because this show is supposed to be about
[25:35.180 --> 25:40.380]  legal issues. What you're going to tell me what I should be talking about on my show.
[25:40.380 --> 25:46.140]  I don't think so. Okay. So that's really made me mad. All right. When he told me that a
[25:46.140 --> 25:51.140]  while back. And so the bottom line is, folks, if you don't want to hear about the Lord Jesus
[25:51.140 --> 25:56.100]  Christ, then maybe you better turn the radio off because we're not going to stop talking
[25:56.100 --> 26:00.960]  about him. All right. Because he is the reason we are here. He's the reason that we are on
[26:00.960 --> 26:07.980]  the air. All right. And that's just basically, uh, all there is to it. I mean, I, I'm, I
[26:07.980 --> 26:12.180]  don't, I don't know what else to say about that issue except that you're just going to
[26:12.180 --> 26:13.180]  get more of the same.
[26:13.180 --> 26:18.820]  Oh, I did want to address this issue of his extreme negative reaction. And Randy, I couldn't
[26:18.820 --> 26:23.340]  agree with you more that people do opposites. And I wanted to tell this quick story before
[26:23.340 --> 26:29.940]  we get to the break. There's a couple in our church, all right, who used to be atheists.
[26:29.940 --> 26:35.540]  They were self proclaimed atheists. They didn't believe in any religion at all whatsoever.
[26:35.540 --> 26:40.060]  Okay. But they, they, uh, they were, they were very logical person and I'm a very logical
[26:40.060 --> 26:44.260]  person too. We've had people call in and say, Oh, Deborah, you're an engineer. You're a
[26:44.260 --> 26:50.500]  computer science. You majored in math. You're so technical. Uh, how can you believe in myth
[26:50.500 --> 26:56.740]  like this? And I'm like, that's because it's objective to me. It's not subjective. God
[26:56.740 --> 27:02.000]  is objective. I see him outside, just outside of myself, just like I see the sun anyway.
[27:02.000 --> 27:07.380]  So this couple was very logical. Okay. And they would have this extreme negative emotional
[27:07.380 --> 27:13.380]  reaction every time, uh, somebody around them would bring up the name Jesus. Okay. Or talk
[27:13.380 --> 27:19.120]  about the Christian faith, but they didn't have that same extreme and negative emotional
[27:19.120 --> 27:24.620]  reaction when people would talk about other religions. Okay. Or Buddha or whatever or
[27:24.620 --> 27:29.340]  Islam. And so they realized that this was illogical because they were very logical people
[27:29.340 --> 27:34.300]  and they realized that they were having an illogical, uh, emotional reaction. Why wouldn't
[27:34.300 --> 27:38.620]  they feel the same way about all religion? Why wouldn't they have the same illogical
[27:38.620 --> 27:43.140]  response and not illogical response, but why wouldn't they have the same negative response
[27:43.140 --> 27:47.620]  to when, when the subject of any religion came up, it just had to do with Jesus. And
[27:47.620 --> 27:54.580]  so they did some real soul searching and they ended up being saved. They ended up becoming
[27:54.580 --> 27:59.780]  believers over the re over the fact that they did some soul searching over this response.
[27:59.780 --> 28:06.980]  And the reason that they were experiencing what I call this cognitive dissonance. Okay.
[28:06.980 --> 28:11.460]  That's why they were having such an emotional reaction of holding, you know, this, uh, because
[28:11.460 --> 28:16.620]  there were two opposing viewpoints and they didn't realize it. And so what ended up happening
[28:16.620 --> 28:21.600]  is that the reason this was happening is because God was touching their hearts and showing
[28:21.600 --> 28:28.220]  him who he is and they ended up becoming safe. And so who knows, Randy, maybe God is trying
[28:28.220 --> 28:33.940]  to touch this person's heart and that's why, uh, he's experiencing such an extreme, uh,
[28:33.940 --> 28:37.780]  emotional reaction. But the bottom line is I'm not going to put up with the abuse and
[28:37.780 --> 28:44.420]  neither is Eddie and neither is Randy. I mean, you know, I'm having a great time. Okay. Well,
[28:44.420 --> 28:48.340]  you can put up with the abuse. I'm not, I mean, look, the Bible says that we should
[28:48.340 --> 28:52.860]  rejoice when we're persecuted. Okay. And so yes. Okay. I rejoice over the persecution
[28:52.860 --> 28:56.620]  for a while, but enough was enough. And that's why I had to tell this guy, don't email me
[28:56.620 --> 28:57.620]  anymore.
[28:57.620 --> 29:03.940]  So, uh, at any rate, I think we need to pray for this gentleman, but folks out there, uh,
[29:03.940 --> 29:09.500]  maybe open your hearts, maybe open your heart to God and let him come in. You'll be surprised
[29:09.500 --> 29:14.060]  what he can do in your life. You'll be surprised at how objective he actually can be and that
[29:14.060 --> 29:19.660]  it's not mythology after all. But, uh, if you don't want to be open to it and you don't
[29:19.660 --> 29:25.660]  want to hear about it, you are free to, uh, build your own network, build your own radio
[29:25.660 --> 29:30.940]  show, get your own radio show, uh, turn our show off. Okay. But you can't, you don't have
[29:30.940 --> 29:36.100]  to call in and criticize us for doing it and you'll have a great conversation. Yeah, you
[29:36.100 --> 29:42.380]  could do that too. But at any rate, we are going to talk about what we want to talk about
[29:42.380 --> 29:47.660]  on our show. And we do want to help people, but we are doing this in the name of our God
[29:47.660 --> 29:52.220]  and savior, our Lord Jesus Christ. So I just wanted to make that clear. When we come back,
[29:52.220 --> 29:58.900]  we've since we can talk about anything I want to talk about foot fungus. Okay. Well, Kathy,
[29:58.900 --> 29:59.900]  Kathy will be next.
[29:59.900 --> 30:07.260]  Landline phone conversations at brokerage firms are routinely recorded to ensure honest
[30:07.260 --> 30:12.180]  dealings. Now Britain plans to move that will go even further. I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht
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[31:07.040 --> 31:12.100]  our every phone call could be recorded, stored and evaluated all in the name of national
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[31:17.300 --> 31:22.440]  British cell phone law is an ocean away from the US, its ramifications may eventually wash
[31:22.440 --> 31:28.380]  up on the shores of every free society. I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information
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[33:24.100 --> 33:31.100]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Wheel of Law Radio, and I got a Skype while
[33:31.100 --> 33:38.100]  this was going on that said, good job, you got Debra all wound up. And I said, that's
[33:38.100 --> 33:45.100]  okay to get Debra all wound up. Just as long as she's not wound up at me.
[33:45.100 --> 33:46.100]  That's right.
[33:46.100 --> 33:51.100]  Okay, we are going to go to the next one. We're going to go to the next one. We're going
[33:51.100 --> 34:08.100]  to go to the next one. We're going to go to the next one. We're going to go to the next
[34:21.100 --> 34:22.100]  one.
[34:51.100 --> 34:58.100]  We're going to go to the next one. We're going to go to the next one. We're going to
[35:21.100 --> 35:28.100]  go to the next one. We're going to go to the next one. We're going to go to the next
[35:51.100 --> 35:58.100]  one. We're going to go to the next one.
[36:21.100 --> 36:29.100]  We're going to go to the next one.
[36:51.100 --> 36:58.100]  We're going to go to the next one. We're going to go to the next one.
[37:21.100 --> 37:28.100]  We're going to go to the next one.
[37:51.100 --> 37:58.100]  We're going to go to the next one.
[38:21.100 --> 38:29.100]  We're going to go to the next one.
[38:51.100 --> 38:56.100]  We are a Christian society. It's a temporary life. It's training ground for the next life.
[38:56.100 --> 39:01.100]  We do not believe, as Christians, that this is the end. When we die...
[39:01.100 --> 39:05.100]  Now, wait a minute. Hold on. I'm going to take issues here.
[39:05.100 --> 39:12.100]  Now, wait a minute. Let me finish. The whole idea, though, of the education system was
[39:12.100 --> 39:21.100]  placed in a fact of the general knowledge of the country was a look to the future, not
[39:21.100 --> 39:27.100]  an end-all that, oh, we're just going to lay down and die and that's it. Progressive education
[39:27.100 --> 39:33.100]  has turned that thought process into looking for the here and the now. It produced the
[39:33.100 --> 39:39.100]  hippie generation, if you will, of, you know, what's good for me is good for the country.
[39:39.100 --> 39:46.100]  What's good for me is here and now, get what you can, because, you know, when you die,
[39:46.100 --> 39:51.100]  you're dead. And that's not a Christian attitude. When you die, you're not dead.
[39:51.100 --> 39:52.100]  When you die, you...
[39:52.100 --> 39:56.100]  Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I don't agree with that at all. You're saying that if someone
[39:56.100 --> 40:03.100]  is a Muslim or someone is a Buddhist, that they should be put in our school system and
[40:03.100 --> 40:11.100]  subjected to constant pressure toward violating their own religious beliefs.
[40:11.100 --> 40:17.100]  No, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that our Christian nation has had that...
[40:17.100 --> 40:24.100]  Should we teach those children that the only true religion is Christianity?
[40:24.100 --> 40:31.100]  No, we don't teach religion in school. We shouldn't. We can...
[40:31.100 --> 40:34.100]  Okay, then I misunderstood your point.
[40:34.100 --> 40:35.100]  Okay.
[40:35.100 --> 40:45.100]  If we're saying that there is a heaven and a hell and all of these things are the Christian
[40:45.100 --> 40:54.100]  metaphor, the Christian story. And my preference for school is not to teach the Christian metaphor,
[40:54.100 --> 41:02.100]  but teach the science metaphor and the English metaphor, because they're all stories. That
[41:02.100 --> 41:10.100]  was one of the issues I didn't bring up about the email is science is just a story. And
[41:10.100 --> 41:18.100]  of all people, physicists understand that. Physics is not the truth. It's just a story
[41:18.100 --> 41:28.100]  they made up to describe the experience that they saw. That's what religion is. It may
[41:28.100 --> 41:37.100]  be the truth. We don't know. I know for certain my science is not true. It's a good story.
[41:37.100 --> 41:42.100]  It gives me predictability, but I'm not dumb enough to think that all of those scientific
[41:42.100 --> 41:50.100]  truths I hold to be true are actually true. They're just a story.
[41:50.100 --> 41:57.100]  But the majority of science, of people who study science and the people who are teaching
[41:57.100 --> 42:00.100]  it, they believe it to be true. It is their religion.
[42:00.100 --> 42:07.100]  No, no, no. They believe it to be consistent. Physicists will tell you real quick, we have
[42:07.100 --> 42:13.100]  all this. That's what that professor was getting to in the first day in electronic
[42:13.100 --> 42:18.100]  theory is we have all these theories that we've developed to describe the experience
[42:18.100 --> 42:24.100]  that we see. But this thing's not complete. This is just a story we made up to describe
[42:24.100 --> 42:32.100]  the phenomena. Don't get the idea that your story is true, because then when you experience
[42:32.100 --> 42:37.100]  phenomena, you'll just ignore it and cast it off like it doesn't matter. Then you'll
[42:37.100 --> 42:43.100]  miss the truth. I think God, if there is a God, if he put us here, it was to learn and
[42:43.100 --> 42:50.100]  to get better and to understand his creation. And we won't do that. We're holding to
[42:50.100 --> 42:55.100]  dogmatic beliefs for fear that someone may call us a sinner.
[42:55.100 --> 43:05.100]  And see, that's a misconception, I believe, because the Bible that I read says God put
[43:05.100 --> 43:15.100]  us here to learn, yes, to understand his ways and not his laws. The laws were given as a
[43:15.100 --> 43:21.100]  schoolmaster to show us that if you want a law here, here's the law. See and prove
[43:21.100 --> 43:27.100]  that you can't keep this law. Therefore, you need more. You need grace. You need forgiveness.
[43:27.100 --> 43:37.100]  You need help. And you can go right on through that. Yes, it's all a story, but the story
[43:37.100 --> 43:41.100]  proves itself out and it is objective.
[43:41.100 --> 43:47.100]  Okay. We're about to go to break. Hang on, Kathy. We'll be right back on the other side.
[43:47.100 --> 43:54.100]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. I call in number 512-646-1984.
[43:54.100 --> 44:23.100]  I realize this is not a show about religion, but I think this is important.
[44:23.100 --> 44:30.100]  Come and take it, because they were willing to fight for their freedom and their guns.
[44:30.100 --> 44:32.100]  So are we.
[44:32.100 --> 44:39.100]  Come and take it if you want it. Come and take it if you think you can. Come and take
[44:39.100 --> 44:45.100]  it, but I warn you, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. We want the freedom
[44:45.100 --> 44:53.100]  that God gave us, so you best not cross that line. If you want this gun, you gotta come
[44:53.100 --> 45:02.100]  through us and take it one shot at a time. Just like Gonzalez, we're keeping our guns.
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[46:27.100 --> 46:34.100]  Such a sentimental soldier, a warrior of love, scuffling to keep the peace. All they're
[46:34.100 --> 46:39.100]  taking is a misunderstanding, and somebody calls the police.
[46:39.100 --> 46:42.100]  Watching the spots fly.
[46:45.100 --> 46:48.100]  Watching the spots fly.
[46:51.100 --> 46:53.100]  Watching the spots fly.
[46:53.100 --> 46:55.100]  Watching the spots fly.
[46:56.100 --> 46:58.100]  Watching the spots fly.
[47:03.100 --> 47:08.100]  Pretend there's an addiction. The hard work can leave you cold as nails.
[47:08.100 --> 47:10.100]  I've been in the hostility.
[47:10.100 --> 47:16.100]  Okay, this is the rule of law. Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, and we did have
[47:16.100 --> 47:21.100]  another caller, Johnny from Texas, that was on topic. I just got the message from our
[47:21.100 --> 47:29.100]  call screener, but I don't see him on the board. So, Johnny, please call back. Something
[47:29.100 --> 47:34.100]  happened, your call got lost in the transition between the call screening or something. But
[47:34.100 --> 47:40.100]  anyways, I managed to stump the chump on the break outrageously enough. I was telling
[47:40.100 --> 47:46.100]  Randy, you know, I wanted to pipe in a little bit when Kathy was talking, but she and Randy
[47:46.100 --> 47:50.100]  were going back and forth so much I couldn't get in. You know, people talk, have all the
[47:50.100 --> 47:57.100]  talk about religion, and I just wanted to, you know, make it clear from my perspective
[47:57.100 --> 48:04.100]  that I don't believe in religion, okay? I don't, I don't, I don't deal with religion.
[48:04.100 --> 48:10.100]  I throw all religion in the trash, including Christianity. And I know that may sound a
[48:10.100 --> 48:18.100]  little strange to some people because, well, I'm a Christian. How can you say, how can
[48:18.100 --> 48:23.100]  you say, hold on one second. How can you say throw Christianity in the trash? Well, the
[48:23.100 --> 48:31.100]  reason I say that is because all religion is a system, okay? All it doesn't matter
[48:31.100 --> 48:39.100]  whether it's Christianity, or Christian dumb even, or the DOM or whatever religion
[48:39.100 --> 48:48.100]  you want to go to, okay? All religion is a man-made system, okay? God is a person, all
[48:48.100 --> 48:54.100]  right? Jerry Stevens, my husband, is a man. He is a person. He's not a system, all right?
[48:54.100 --> 49:02.100]  Jesus Christ is a man, okay? He's God. He's a person. He's not a religious system. And
[49:02.100 --> 49:09.100]  so the real Christian walk is having a personal relationship with this person, just like being
[49:09.100 --> 49:15.100]  married is having a personal relationship with your spouse. It's not following a set
[49:15.100 --> 49:21.100]  of rules, okay? And so I just wanted to make that clear that God is a person. He's not
[49:21.100 --> 49:27.100]  a religion, okay? And so that's why I throw all religions in the trash. Anyway, I don't
[49:27.100 --> 49:33.100]  know what happened to Johnny. I stumped the chump with that one on the break. Randy doesn't
[49:33.100 --> 49:36.100]  quite know how to respond to that one, so I told him he could think about that one for
[49:36.100 --> 49:45.100]  a while. Yeah, I don't know how to deal with that one. I don't know where to go there.
[49:45.100 --> 49:53.100]  If nothing is a religion, and there are no religions, and God's a person, that I don't
[49:53.100 --> 50:00.100]  know how to deal with. And for me, it doesn't matter. It's all about, you know, religions
[50:00.100 --> 50:10.100]  have always been primarily and of most value in that they were a method for transmitting
[50:10.100 --> 50:17.100]  cultural knowledge. And what Kathy spoke to of what occurred in the schools was we had
[50:17.100 --> 50:28.100]  O.S. Neal and Benjamin Spock after World War II. We were in a period of economic growth
[50:28.100 --> 50:35.100]  and prosperity, and these guys come along and they said, you know, the way you've been
[50:35.100 --> 50:40.100]  raising your children and the way your parents raised you and their parents before them for
[50:40.100 --> 50:47.100]  the last 6,000 years of recorded history, why, that's all wrong. So don't do it that
[50:47.100 --> 50:52.100]  way. Don't give them discipline. Don't teach them how to control themselves in the culture.
[50:52.100 --> 51:00.100]  Let them find their own way. Let them develop their own personality. And they trashed 6,000
[51:00.100 --> 51:10.100]  years of wisdom. Benjamin Spock on his death bed said, I have ruined a generation. And
[51:10.100 --> 51:13.100]  he was wrong. He's ruined a couple of generations.
[51:13.100 --> 51:14.100]  Yeah, several.
[51:14.100 --> 51:22.100]  It's going to take us a while to reestablish what culture we have. So whether you believe
[51:22.100 --> 51:31.100]  in religion or not, go back to Fiddler on the Roof, Zero Mostel. He said, without our
[51:31.100 --> 51:38.100]  traditions, our lives would be as shaky as a Fiddler on the Roof. That's exactly what
[51:38.100 --> 51:46.100]  he was talking about. This is cultural knowledge. Our parents and grandparents and great-grandparents,
[51:46.100 --> 51:53.100]  over time, they learned if you do this thing right here, you may not see a bad outcome
[51:53.100 --> 51:59.100]  from it. But 10, 15, 20 years down the road, it's going to come back and kick your behind.
[51:59.100 --> 52:04.100]  All right. Well, Randy, we have another caller on the board. Stephen is on topic also.
[52:04.100 --> 52:11.100]  Okay. So we have this cultural knowledge and religion was, the religious community was
[52:11.100 --> 52:19.100]  the primary way of transmitting that cultural wisdom. And we've lost it.
[52:19.100 --> 52:24.100]  Again, that goes back to exactly what I was saying. Religion is not God. God is a person.
[52:24.100 --> 52:29.100]  Religion is a system. Okay. So let's go to Stephen now. We've got Stephen from Texas.
[52:29.100 --> 52:32.100]  Stephen, what is your comment tonight?
[52:32.100 --> 52:38.100]  Oh, my comment is just about how the schools and how we've been teaching our children
[52:38.100 --> 52:44.100]  over the ages, just kind of the last probably 50 or 60 years, you know, make your own decision
[52:44.100 --> 52:50.100]  and not instilling anything in them that is godly. You know, Bible says, tramp your child
[52:50.100 --> 52:54.100]  the way they will go and they will not depart from it in the end.
[52:54.100 --> 53:03.100]  Now, wait a minute. Are you talking propaganda? Are you talking that we should be feeding
[53:03.100 --> 53:05.100]  propaganda to our children?
[53:05.100 --> 53:08.100]  I think he's talking about—
[53:08.100 --> 53:09.100]  It's good Christian propaganda.
[53:09.100 --> 53:13.100]  No, I think what he's talking about is that we need to teach our own children these things.
[53:13.100 --> 53:19.100]  That's what my position is. The one thing I go to about, you know, when I say I don't
[53:19.100 --> 53:29.100]  have a religious leaning, it doesn't come without research. I probably know the Bible
[53:29.100 --> 53:36.100]  as well as most. And because I read it from outside the Christian metaphor, I think I
[53:36.100 --> 53:44.100]  found some things in there. And one in particular, the requirement, something you have to do
[53:44.100 --> 53:49.100]  in order to go to heaven, and I never ever hear it talked about in church. Oh, you hear
[53:49.100 --> 53:52.100]  you got to believe upon the Lord that God with all their heart, soul, and their mind?
[53:52.100 --> 53:56.100]  Okay. Some say you have to believe and do good work. Some say you have to believe and
[53:56.100 --> 54:05.100]  be baptized. There is another one. Beware false prophets. They'll come to you in sheep's
[54:05.100 --> 54:09.100]  clothing, but in their hearts, they are ravening wolves. By their fruits, you will know them.
[54:09.100 --> 54:15.100]  A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit. Doesn't say it will not, says it cannot.
[54:15.100 --> 54:24.100]  And you know, the known planet was ruled by the Catholic Church for an 800-year period.
[54:24.100 --> 54:30.100]  The Catholic Church was the original Christian church for an 800-year period that has a special
[54:30.100 --> 54:31.100]  name.
[54:31.100 --> 54:34.100]  Actually, it wasn't. There was the original church before the Catholic Church. They took
[54:34.100 --> 54:35.100]  over, but go ahead.
[54:35.100 --> 54:43.100]  There were a group of prophets. And at the Council of Nicaea, Cassius was the emperor
[54:43.100 --> 54:50.100]  of Rome. Rome was falling into disarray. The Christians were gaining more influence. There
[54:50.100 --> 54:57.100]  were two factions to the Christians, two primary factions, the Gnostics and the one we have
[54:57.100 --> 55:06.980]  now. And they were at odds with the pagans. And Cassius was concerned with the Civil War.
[55:06.980 --> 55:13.240]  So he convened the Council of Nicaea, and they put together a representative volume
[55:13.240 --> 55:20.100]  and called it Textus Recepticus. And it was on that volume that the original church was
[55:20.100 --> 55:24.300]  born. It was the universal church.
[55:24.300 --> 55:28.580]  You mean the Catholic organization, because the church existed before that.
[55:28.580 --> 55:33.460]  We can argue whether that was a religion or not. And I have people saying, oh, that's
[55:33.460 --> 55:38.220]  not really religion. Well, it was the single entity that represented the Christian belief
[55:38.220 --> 55:43.620]  system for 800 years. And that 800 years has a special name.
[55:43.620 --> 55:45.940]  Yeah, the Dark Ages.
[55:45.940 --> 55:48.020]  Right. We should pay attention to that.
[55:48.020 --> 55:51.620]  Yeah, because they wouldn't let anyone read the Bible. That's why.
[55:51.620 --> 55:57.860]  So what does the Bible tell you you have to do to go to heaven? There in chapter seven
[55:57.860 --> 56:03.620]  of Matthew, it says, Beware false prophets that come to you in sheep's clothing, but
[56:03.620 --> 56:07.540]  in their hearts there are ravening walls. Many will say unto me in that day, Have I
[56:07.540 --> 56:11.940]  not worked great deeds in their name? Have I not cast out demons for thee? And I will
[56:11.940 --> 56:20.140]  say unto you, hit the road, Jack, be gone away from me. You work yourself iniquity,
[56:20.140 --> 56:23.340]  for I never knew you. What is the problem?
[56:23.340 --> 56:27.740]  Yeah, you got to watch out for the false prophets. So Stephen, will you continue? What was your
[56:27.740 --> 56:28.740]  point?
[56:28.740 --> 56:34.100]  Well, my point is salvation is knowing God, because if you don't know Him, then you're
[56:34.100 --> 56:40.420]  cast down to utter darkness. So having knowledge of God is not knowing Him, and knowing Him
[56:40.420 --> 56:43.900]  personally is where salvation is.
[56:43.900 --> 56:51.160]  I agree. But where do you find it? Do you find it in the proclamations of others? Or
[56:51.160 --> 56:58.240]  do you find it in the portion of creation God left in your heart?
[56:58.240 --> 57:03.300]  You find it in your own spirit by calling on the name of the Lord, and the Holy Spirit
[57:03.300 --> 57:08.820]  will come into you just like what happened the night of the Lord's resurrection. That
[57:08.820 --> 57:15.900]  was the day that the church actually started, was when Jesus showed up and bodily formed
[57:15.900 --> 57:20.660]  the night of His resurrection and breathed the Holy Spirit into His disciples. That's
[57:20.660 --> 57:25.740]  when the church formed. The church is not an organization. The church is God Himself
[57:25.740 --> 57:28.260]  being built into His people inside of us.
[57:28.260 --> 57:38.620]  And in that context, I think it would be inappropriate for a teacher in a school system to attempt
[57:38.620 --> 57:47.340]  to instill in the child that teacher's perspective on the Christian belief system.
[57:47.340 --> 57:49.380]  That is the parent's job.
[57:49.380 --> 57:54.020]  That is exactly my position. You are absolutely in agreement.
[57:54.020 --> 57:57.860]  And Stephen, if you would hold over so you can finish some of your points. Speaking of
[57:57.860 --> 58:02.740]  the school system and the propaganda system, well, I'll tell you, y'all are going to love
[58:02.740 --> 58:08.060]  this movie State of Mind when it comes out, because it does talk a great deal about the
[58:08.060 --> 58:15.820]  education system. And the education system in America has nothing to do with education.
[58:15.820 --> 58:19.480]  It has nothing to do with knowledge. It has nothing to do with actually getting any life
[58:19.480 --> 58:26.420]  skills or vocational skills. What it is about is training. It's training our children to
[58:26.420 --> 58:31.700]  become good Prussians, to grow up to not ask questions and not challenge authority and
[58:31.700 --> 58:38.780]  not challenge the government and to become human resources to spin off profits for the
[58:38.780 --> 58:44.140]  globalists. That's what our government run education is. And that's a direct quote from
[58:44.140 --> 58:48.100]  Charlotte Iserby in the movie to come. So folks, I hope you enjoy the movie. We'll be
[58:48.100 --> 58:50.680]  right back. This is the rule of law.
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[01:03:15.420 --> 01:03:22.420]  Okay folks, we are back. This is hour two of Thursday, May 30th edition of Rule of Law Radio.
[01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:28.700]  And yes, I am extremely tired, can hardly keep my eyes open, but now I'm full of energy
[01:03:28.700 --> 01:03:33.340]  and I'm all wound up because of the conversation. It's so good. And I wanted to finish making
[01:03:33.340 --> 01:03:41.060]  some points here about the schooling system. Okay, listen, if people understood what the
[01:03:41.060 --> 01:03:48.420]  government schooling system is really all about, they would not be even asking questions
[01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:53.780]  such as, should we be teaching the Christian faith in school or not, or how to make that
[01:03:53.780 --> 01:04:00.580]  happen. To me, that is a moot point because if you understood what the government school
[01:04:00.580 --> 01:04:07.660]  system was really all about, you would get your kids out of it at any cost. Okay, at
[01:04:07.660 --> 01:04:14.220]  any cost, because the government school system is not about teaching. It's about indoctrination
[01:04:14.220 --> 01:04:22.140]  and propaganda. It is based on the Prussian model, okay, of training children from the
[01:04:22.140 --> 01:04:30.420]  time that they can barely even walk to become cogs in the giant wheel of the collective,
[01:04:30.420 --> 01:04:40.420]  i.e. the state, okay, to be trained to accept their role in society that the globalist social
[01:04:40.420 --> 01:04:47.020]  engineers have predetermined for them. Okay, the globalists are into social engineering.
[01:04:47.020 --> 01:04:53.980]  Okay, they have engineered society. That is what they are into. Okay, and determining
[01:04:53.980 --> 01:05:01.780]  what we can and cannot do with our lives and determining what our place in society is.
[01:05:01.780 --> 01:05:06.660]  And here's a perfect example, and I remember this happened in school also when I was young.
[01:05:06.660 --> 01:05:11.860]  Okay, they have kids do this exercise of, you know, what do you want to be when you
[01:05:11.860 --> 01:05:17.020]  grow up? All right, and they'll be like, it won't be an open-ended question or whether
[01:05:17.020 --> 01:05:21.980]  you can, you know, write an essay. No, it's a multiple choice question for one thing.
[01:05:21.980 --> 01:05:27.940]  All right, you only have a certain list, a certain number of options on that list to
[01:05:27.940 --> 01:05:33.180]  choose from. And guess what? One of them is not owning your own business, okay? One of
[01:05:33.180 --> 01:05:38.380]  them is not being an entrepreneur or being self-employed, all right? And so I'm telling
[01:05:38.380 --> 01:05:43.780]  you, it's all about the Prussian model. It's based on the Prussian model. If you don't
[01:05:43.780 --> 01:05:48.940]  know what that is, go look it up, all right, which basically, like I said, it's training
[01:05:48.940 --> 01:05:54.060]  our children to grow up, to not ask questions, to not challenge authority, to take their
[01:05:54.060 --> 01:06:00.140]  role that has been predetermined for them in society to become cogs in the giant wheel
[01:06:00.140 --> 01:06:06.060]  or the collective of the state. And it's all about destroying the principles of individualism,
[01:06:06.060 --> 01:06:11.900]  all right, and rights, that our rights are, that we are born with our rights, okay? As
[01:06:11.900 --> 01:06:15.860]  G. Edward Griffin says, they're hardware. We come with them. It's not something the
[01:06:15.860 --> 01:06:21.780]  government gives to us, all right? It's all about getting us away from those principles
[01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:30.280]  and learning to accept privileges granted to us from the government. It is horrendous.
[01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:35.300]  And so we should not even be asking the question, or should we be teaching Christian faith in
[01:06:35.300 --> 01:06:39.860]  schools or not, or how to make that happen, all right? If you're a real Christian and
[01:06:39.860 --> 01:06:44.840]  you really understand how the school system works, you will get on your knees and pray
[01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:52.300]  to your Lord, and you will be before him to ask him to guide you and your spouse to do
[01:06:52.300 --> 01:06:57.220]  whatever it takes at any cost to pull your kids out of that government indoctrination
[01:06:57.220 --> 01:07:02.300]  system. Because I'm telling you, you are not going to change the system, all right? You
[01:07:02.300 --> 01:07:09.340]  will not change the system at all. It doesn't matter that we have so-called elected representatives
[01:07:09.340 --> 01:07:13.580]  on the board of education. It doesn't matter. Number one, there is no elections anyway.
[01:07:13.580 --> 01:07:17.540]  The elections are all rigged, all right? We've been over that for years and years and years,
[01:07:17.540 --> 01:07:22.260]  and we've done many shows on it, and we've proven it up and down all over the place,
[01:07:22.260 --> 01:07:29.060]  okay? You will not change the government indoctrination school system or full system, period. And
[01:07:29.060 --> 01:07:34.100]  even if you manage to live in an area where you actually have a small rural area where
[01:07:34.100 --> 01:07:40.340]  you think you have legitimate elections to the board of education, it doesn't matter,
[01:07:40.340 --> 01:07:44.540]  because they are controlled. All the boards of education are controlled by the state,
[01:07:44.540 --> 01:07:52.140]  okay? So it doesn't matter where you are. You are not going to change the propaganda
[01:07:52.140 --> 01:07:56.180]  that is coming down through the school systems. And even if you think you're going to get
[01:07:56.180 --> 01:08:02.580]  the Christian faith taught in schools, it's going to be the state's version of it, and
[01:08:02.580 --> 01:08:12.220]  it's going to be twisted and distorted to fit their agenda, okay? Because all they care
[01:08:12.220 --> 01:08:17.860]  about is training us to become human resources. They see us as cannon fodder, okay? They want
[01:08:17.860 --> 01:08:24.140]  to get us away from the principles of individualism and get us to accept that we are just part
[01:08:24.140 --> 01:08:30.940]  of this greater collective of the state. And it is an entirely satanic teaching, and we
[01:08:30.940 --> 01:08:35.020]  need to do everything we can to pull our kids out of the schools, all right? So that is
[01:08:35.020 --> 01:08:42.620]  my take on this question of should the schools be teaching Christian faith? Don't even ask
[01:08:42.620 --> 01:08:47.660]  that question. Get your kids out of the schools and teach them yourself and do homeschooling.
[01:08:47.660 --> 01:08:54.700]  And homeschooling doesn't mean that you have to bear the burden alone to teach your kids.
[01:08:54.700 --> 01:08:59.660]  They have homeschooling co-ops, and they're run like classrooms and kids. You know, this
[01:08:59.660 --> 01:09:05.340]  argument of, oh, your kids will be, you know, have problems because they won't have interaction
[01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:09.380]  with peers as they're growing up. That's not true, okay? That is not true at all. You get
[01:09:09.380 --> 01:09:14.860]  into a homeschooling co-op, there's kids of their own age that they interact with, and
[01:09:14.860 --> 01:09:20.820]  they're taught proper things, you know, the proper foundation of this country, the Christian,
[01:09:20.820 --> 01:09:26.580]  you know, many of them are run by Christian parents, and so they teach their kids properly,
[01:09:26.580 --> 01:09:33.420]  and the Constitution and the principles of individuality and individualism and all this
[01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:39.900]  and that. So you don't have to bear the whole burden of raising your kids all the time and
[01:09:39.900 --> 01:09:44.020]  teaching them if you're going to homeschool them. I know a lot of people that do the homeschooling
[01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:50.060]  co-ops, and they're really, really good. And the different parents will take turns running
[01:09:50.060 --> 01:09:54.280]  classes and some will teach math and some will teach history and on and on. So that's
[01:09:54.280 --> 01:09:59.220]  my take on the school business. So we've got to bring Stephen back on, but Randy, you want
[01:09:59.220 --> 01:10:00.820]  to comment? You want to comment first?
[01:10:00.820 --> 01:10:03.460]  No, I want to see. I've kind of cut Steve off.
[01:10:03.460 --> 01:10:07.220]  Yeah, we cut Steve short. Go ahead, Stephen. What is your take on all this?
[01:10:07.220 --> 01:10:12.140]  Well, my take on the education, you know, I look back when the people were building
[01:10:12.140 --> 01:10:19.460]  the Tower of Babel, and God said, if we don't stop them, then because they are unified,
[01:10:19.460 --> 01:10:23.100]  because they have unity, then they can accomplish anything.
[01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:28.140]  So wait a minute, wait a minute. Where did God say that?
[01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:30.420]  That was in the, that's in the Old Testament. He's talking about,
[01:10:30.420 --> 01:10:32.780]  I thought he said, render into Caesar.
[01:10:32.780 --> 01:10:39.460]  He's talking about in the book of Genesis, Randy, about the Tower of Babel. Go ahead,
[01:10:39.460 --> 01:10:40.820]  Stephen.
[01:10:40.820 --> 01:10:45.420]  So with unity, anything is possible. Even if you don't have the, even if you don't have
[01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:51.780]  the power of God, the Bible says without even their one mind, one heart and one mind is
[01:10:51.780 --> 01:10:56.820]  what it says. And so they were unified in getting this thing done. So the only thing
[01:10:56.820 --> 01:11:02.580]  that's going to get it done as far as education in the United States and the world is for
[01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:09.540]  parents to be unified. So the home school thing could be the thing to do as well and
[01:11:09.540 --> 01:11:15.420]  unifying together so it's not so hard on one person specifically.
[01:11:15.420 --> 01:11:23.980]  That's always been a problem is getting human beings to be unified. We are not good at that.
[01:11:23.980 --> 01:11:27.260]  In their agenda to teach our children the wrong things, they're fairly unified to do
[01:11:27.260 --> 01:11:31.580]  that. And it's just a small number of people that are making this happen.
[01:11:31.580 --> 01:11:35.820]  Yeah, that's, and that goes to the money. That's all about the money. The only thing
[01:11:35.820 --> 01:11:42.900]  you can unify people with consistently is money. And that's unfortunate, but that's
[01:11:42.900 --> 01:11:48.020]  how it is. And it is unfortunate that it's hard to get a group of people to follow the
[01:11:48.020 --> 01:11:52.940]  same direction. With what we do, we struggle with that all the time.
[01:11:52.940 --> 01:11:57.740]  True, but you know, when we were fighting the wars with France and Britain and getting
[01:11:57.740 --> 01:12:01.380]  our independence, we were unified. We were still poor, but we were unified and we got
[01:12:01.380 --> 01:12:02.380]  it done.
[01:12:02.380 --> 01:12:10.820]  No, we were not at all. Only about 3% of the population supported the uprising. Everybody
[01:12:10.820 --> 01:12:17.340]  else was just kind of trying to dodge bullets. And that's generally the way it always is.
[01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:23.740]  Most people just got swept up with what was going on. It's almost great changes that
[01:12:23.740 --> 01:12:30.820]  never really occurred because of the act of the people. It's always been some individual
[01:12:30.820 --> 01:12:35.580]  or some small group of individuals who have gotten together and give the people something
[01:12:35.580 --> 01:12:48.880]  to rally behind. That's why it's important that we do our jobs. If we have an agenda
[01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:57.540]  that goes to the right of things, we need to be the positive influence. I'm trying
[01:12:57.540 --> 01:13:04.380]  not to preach here, but this is the gospel according to Randi. My gospel doesn't go
[01:13:04.380 --> 01:13:10.060]  to religion. It goes to how we can make positive change.
[01:13:10.060 --> 01:13:16.820]  Well, even with the minority being unified, we can accomplish many things.
[01:13:16.820 --> 01:13:24.140]  Yes, exactly. And if we can get just a few people, the general public, and this is not
[01:13:24.140 --> 01:13:29.980]  a criticism, the general public, you know, everybody has issues that are important to
[01:13:29.980 --> 01:13:37.820]  them. And the problem is, is there are hundreds of thousands of issues out there. And the
[01:13:37.820 --> 01:13:44.020]  vast majority of the people have agendas and have issues that aren't the same as ours.
[01:13:44.020 --> 01:13:48.140]  And you know, when we started doing these shows, you heard a lot of people talking about
[01:13:48.140 --> 01:13:56.720]  sheeple, those who were asleep and those who were awake. And I always bristled at that.
[01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:05.420]  How dare you? The guy's got four kids, a mortgage, a car. He's struggling to make
[01:14:05.420 --> 01:14:13.500]  ends meet and you're calling him sheeple. Well, excuse me. I'm different. My house
[01:14:13.500 --> 01:14:25.060]  is paid for. My kids are grown. I've fulfilled my contract with life. I have the luxury of
[01:14:25.060 --> 01:14:32.660]  doing this. And I'm not going to criticize somebody else because they don't have the
[01:14:32.660 --> 01:14:40.880]  luxury of doing this. But if I can give them something they can latch onto and help in
[01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:47.220]  this process, this is how we get it fixed. Does that make sense?
[01:14:47.220 --> 01:14:51.180]  Steve, does that make sense?
[01:14:51.180 --> 01:14:57.340]  Yeah, it makes sense somewhat. You know, I still think with unity.
[01:14:57.340 --> 01:15:01.020]  Yes, and with unity. And I wanted to comment on that. And Steve, I'm going to have to
[01:15:01.020 --> 01:15:04.660]  mute you while we're talking because there's a lot of background noise on your phone. It
[01:15:04.660 --> 01:15:06.900]  sounds like you're in a windy place or something.
[01:15:06.900 --> 01:15:07.900]  Okay.
[01:15:07.900 --> 01:15:14.220]  Okay. Yeah. It sounds like there's a lot of wind on where you're at or something. Anyways,
[01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:20.920]  really folks, the unity is the answer, but at a local level and a community level because
[01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:27.540]  we are not going to change this system. All right. This system is run by the globalists
[01:15:27.540 --> 01:15:34.660]  and they have unlimited amounts of money and power to control the schooling system and
[01:15:34.660 --> 01:15:43.000]  they literally engineer society. Okay. They engineer society from the top down and we
[01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:47.940]  are not going to change that. Even in the Bible, when it talks about the one world government
[01:15:47.940 --> 01:15:56.380]  and the one world system of commerce, we cannot stop that. All we can do is say no to it.
[01:15:56.380 --> 01:16:00.220]  All right. When it talks about the mark of the beast and all that, and you have to worship
[01:16:00.220 --> 01:16:05.220]  the antichrist or else you can't buy or sell and you have to take the mark or else you
[01:16:05.220 --> 01:16:09.860]  can't buy or sell. All right. We are not going to change that. We're not going to stop this
[01:16:09.860 --> 01:16:15.020]  new world order from coming down. It's already here and it's only going to get worse. It
[01:16:15.020 --> 01:16:19.780]  doesn't matter how unified we are. The Bible prophecy is very clear. All we can do is say
[01:16:19.780 --> 01:16:28.180]  no to it. And so the unity comes in at a community level, at a local level where we as a group,
[01:16:28.180 --> 01:16:35.620]  as a unified individuals, not the collective, okay, but as a group of individuals who have
[01:16:35.620 --> 01:16:42.180]  chosen by freedom of association that we are making a stand and we're saying no to this
[01:16:42.180 --> 01:16:45.740]  evil satanic system and we're going to pull our kids out of the schools and we're going
[01:16:45.740 --> 01:16:49.700]  to homeschool them and we're going to teach them proper Christian principles and the constitution.
[01:16:49.700 --> 01:16:52.900]  And by gosh, that's how the cow eats the cabbage.
[01:16:52.900 --> 01:16:55.740]  You better believe it. All right. We'll be right back on the other side. We've got a
[01:16:55.740 --> 01:17:18.540]  lot of callers that are on topic tonight.
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[01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:43.360]  All right, folks, we're on fire tonight.
[01:19:43.360 --> 01:19:48.800]  We didn't really plan to talk about any of this, but I guess this is the Lord's will
[01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.840]  and it's the Holy Spirit speaking through us.
[01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:59.320]  And yeah, Steve was talking about unity and I was basically, just to recap, just saying,
[01:19:59.320 --> 01:20:04.200]  you know, we're not going to stop this system no matter how unified we are.
[01:20:04.200 --> 01:20:08.280]  We're not going to get our principals in the schooling system.
[01:20:08.280 --> 01:20:13.720]  It's controlled from the top down by the globalists who social engineer entire society.
[01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:15.160]  We're not going to change it.
[01:20:15.160 --> 01:20:22.920]  We have to be unified at a local level, at a community level, and as individuals make
[01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:29.080]  the decision to stand against, to make a stand against the evil tide of this age and against
[01:20:29.080 --> 01:20:37.080]  the evil social engineers and the globalist Prussian model, and as individuals make the
[01:20:37.080 --> 01:20:43.400]  decision that we are going to say no to this and we're going to pull our kids out of this
[01:20:43.400 --> 01:20:49.360]  propaganda indoctrination, Prussian model, education, quote unquote system, all right,
[01:20:49.360 --> 01:20:54.520]  which is, has nothing to do with education and as individuals through our freedom of
[01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:59.480]  association, we will form our own group and that is not the collective, okay?
[01:20:59.480 --> 01:21:06.200]  It's not collectivist to be, as individuals make the decision to freedom of association
[01:21:06.200 --> 01:21:09.080]  to form groups and we will teach our own kids.
[01:21:09.080 --> 01:21:10.080]  All right.
[01:21:10.080 --> 01:21:11.080]  And that's just what has to happen.
[01:21:11.080 --> 01:21:12.080]  All right.
[01:21:12.080 --> 01:21:13.080]  We're going to continue on now.
[01:21:13.080 --> 01:21:14.080]  We have a few members that are on topic.
[01:21:14.080 --> 01:21:15.320]  We've got Johnny in Texas.
[01:21:15.320 --> 01:21:16.320]  Johnny.
[01:21:16.320 --> 01:21:17.320]  Yes.
[01:21:17.320 --> 01:21:18.320]  What is your comment?
[01:21:18.320 --> 01:21:22.760]  Uh, well I have a few just sort of, uh, they're all on topic, but I'll kind of beander a little
[01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:23.760]  bit.
[01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:28.080]  I may have to be brief cause I've had all kinds of things come up, but I find it quite
[01:21:28.080 --> 01:21:35.600]  interesting that the guy who emailed you appreciates your legal knowledge while at the same time
[01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:41.320]  he objects to your full and free exercise of the protected rights of expression and
[01:21:41.320 --> 01:21:42.320]  worship.
[01:21:42.320 --> 01:21:43.320]  I think that's a little bit ironic.
[01:21:43.320 --> 01:21:47.240]  If you were a public servant, that would be official oppression and deprivation rights.
[01:21:47.240 --> 01:21:51.080]  Well, especially since this is private property, it's our network.
[01:21:51.080 --> 01:21:52.080]  We own it.
[01:21:52.080 --> 01:21:53.080]  Okay.
[01:21:53.080 --> 01:21:57.480]  We have the right to say whatever we want on our airtime.
[01:21:57.480 --> 01:21:58.480]  I agree.
[01:21:58.480 --> 01:22:03.560]  It's just ironic that, you know, he even said in his email that he appreciates your, your
[01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:08.960]  legal knowledge, but he doesn't appreciate your exercise of protected rights.
[01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:14.720]  Well, it is a little ironic because if he respects our legal knowledge and he respects,
[01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:21.400]  uh, you know, that aspect of it, then I think that shows that, well, if we have, uh, things
[01:22:21.400 --> 01:22:28.240]  to say about other issues like spirituality, if we're a credible source of information
[01:22:28.240 --> 01:22:35.880]  in one area like law, then you know, maybe it would follow, maybe it stands to reason
[01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:40.920]  that we're also a credible source of information concerning spiritual issues as well.
[01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:45.320]  Oh, but no, I guess that's just forget about that, huh?
[01:22:45.320 --> 01:22:47.840]  Yeah, that's just totally not possible.
[01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:55.800]  Well, and you know, another thing that's interesting too is I've, I've studied, um, systems of,
[01:22:55.800 --> 01:23:00.440]  uh, banking and finance and law from a historical standpoint.
[01:23:00.440 --> 01:23:05.880]  And there, there is a very strong correlation between God and law.
[01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:15.440]  I mean, they, I have found literally thousands of references from, uh, you know, all of the,
[01:23:15.440 --> 01:23:20.040]  all of the great, you know, historical legal minds, the people that the courts even today
[01:23:20.040 --> 01:23:26.580]  look up to, you know, and they all talk about how, uh, you know, God's law, we, we have,
[01:23:26.580 --> 01:23:33.560]  we are bound to obey God's law and God's law is, is perfect and immutable, you know, and
[01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:38.520]  in relation to man's and how there's, well, there's nothing in man's law that can stand
[01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:39.520]  forever.
[01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:43.880]  Uh, I mean, there's just tons and tons of this stuff over and over and over.
[01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:51.840]  And so there is a very strong correlation between it and, um, you know, just, uh, one
[01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:56.040]  of the things that I do in court is kind of what I call the Jesus method.
[01:23:56.040 --> 01:24:00.480]  Now whether you're religious or whether you're not, you know, even if you think that the
[01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:04.520]  Bible is just total fantasy, if you go in there and read the stories and find every
[01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:14.340]  instance where Jesus was accosted or accused or berated, um, he reacted or he handled himself
[01:24:14.340 --> 01:24:20.840]  the exact same way every single time, consistently in every single situation.
[01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:25.960]  And I do something very similar to that when I'm dealing with police officers and judges
[01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:33.720]  and it, it has a very, um, interesting effect, uh, that I don't have enough time to go into
[01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:39.440]  all of it, but, uh, and, uh, and another thing that I wanted to say too, is that, you know,
[01:24:39.440 --> 01:24:44.760]  when Randy first started talking about this, he, he made a comment, um, that goes to people's
[01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:50.060]  inner reactions and responses, and there is a very distinct difference when you're dealing
[01:24:50.060 --> 01:24:54.920]  with, um, police officers and judges, they want a reaction from you when you give them
[01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:56.400]  nothing but responses.
[01:24:56.400 --> 01:25:01.020]  It changes their attitude quite a bit, which is, you know, that falls under a kind of how,
[01:25:01.020 --> 01:25:06.160]  you know, Jesus, when he was accosted all throughout the Bible, he gave responses versus
[01:25:06.160 --> 01:25:07.160]  reactions.
[01:25:07.160 --> 01:25:09.320]  Yeah, that's a good point.
[01:25:09.320 --> 01:25:10.320]  We talked about that.
[01:25:10.320 --> 01:25:16.000]  We talked about, I talked about that a couple of weeks ago about not letting the opposing
[01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:21.940]  counsel or the judges push your buttons and get you and make you to react and make mistakes.
[01:25:21.940 --> 01:25:25.040]  You just stay, stay focused on, on your mission.
[01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:26.500]  That's a good, good point, Johnny.
[01:25:26.500 --> 01:25:27.500]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:25:27.500 --> 01:25:32.760]  Jesus was very good at pattern interruption.
[01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:40.220]  He was very good at making the other side's expectation come false, and that's, that's
[01:25:40.220 --> 01:25:44.920]  what I've been talking about all along, and in pattern interruption, you consider their
[01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:54.440]  expectation and give them anything other than what they expect, and that is absolutely devastating
[01:25:54.440 --> 01:25:57.220]  to the human psyche.
[01:25:57.220 --> 01:25:58.220]  Go ahead, Johnny.
[01:25:58.220 --> 01:25:59.220]  You were trying to say something?
[01:25:59.220 --> 01:26:04.560]  I was just going to say another thing he did too, which I agree with what Randy just said,
[01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:10.440]  but another thing that he did was consistently, the main thing that he did was instead of
[01:26:10.440 --> 01:26:17.780]  testifying and throwing, you know, accusations back at people, he basically just tested the,
[01:26:17.780 --> 01:26:25.500]  the accusations and the reason and the logic and the evidence based on first principles.
[01:26:25.500 --> 01:26:31.960]  And I don't know if anybody, you know, if you, if you just go through your Bible and
[01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:38.280]  just specifically search out every single instance where Jesus was accosted and look
[01:26:38.280 --> 01:26:43.680]  at how he responds and how he performs and how he handles himself, and then apply that
[01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:48.640]  when you're dealing with police officers and judges and attorneys, you will be amazed at
[01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:49.640]  how it works out.
[01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:56.320]  I personally, I think Jesus was the greatest lawyer to ever walk the earth, and the other
[01:26:56.320 --> 01:27:04.320]  thing I wanted to say too is as far as religion goes, you know, I don't have a problem with
[01:27:04.320 --> 01:27:05.320]  religion.
[01:27:05.320 --> 01:27:12.720]  I think organized religion that has all, from the foundation of the earth, organized religion
[01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:18.680]  is something that has always been, men have always thought to infiltrate it and subvert
[01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:21.480]  it and use it as a, as a tool.
[01:27:21.480 --> 01:27:24.320]  Well, Johnny, that is absolutely true.
[01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:29.800]  And that's, from a historical perspective, that's the way it was all throughout the Old
[01:27:29.800 --> 01:27:31.160]  Testament as well.
[01:27:31.160 --> 01:27:41.600]  I mean, organized religion is responsible for more killings of believers in God than
[01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:44.880]  the atheists or the state, so to speak.
[01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:52.720]  I mean, it was the Jewish religious leaders that stoned the prophets, okay?
[01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.880]  They stoned Stephen in the New Testament.
[01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:57.520]  They killed our Lord Jesus.
[01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:02.800]  Okay, so organized religion, yeah, they, they are the ones that have always...
[01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:04.200]  Oh, wait a minute.
[01:28:04.200 --> 01:28:06.600]  It wasn't organized religion that killed Jesus.
[01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:08.920]  Oh, yes, it was.
[01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:11.720]  It was the money changers.
[01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:15.040]  It was, it was the Jewish, it was the Jewish leaders.
[01:28:15.040 --> 01:28:21.520]  It was organized religion, and they made a compact with the Roman government, okay?
[01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:25.960]  And they had the Roman government do their dirty work for them so that they could claim
[01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:31.320]  some kind of, you know, like, oh, we didn't do this, but they were behind it, okay?
[01:28:31.320 --> 01:28:37.580]  Yeah, they did, but they didn't do anything until he went into the temple.
[01:28:37.580 --> 01:28:43.960]  They didn't care about him coming into the temple and proselytizing a different belief
[01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:45.480]  system.
[01:28:45.480 --> 01:28:49.040]  But when he kicked over the money, the tables of the money changer.
[01:28:49.040 --> 01:28:51.080]  Yeah, that really made them upset.
[01:28:51.080 --> 01:28:55.360]  But they, but if you read through the Gospels, it says they were always seeking a way to
[01:28:55.360 --> 01:28:57.180]  lay their hands on him and destroy him.
[01:28:57.180 --> 01:29:01.080]  They always were seeking a way to destroy him, but they could not because it was not
[01:29:01.080 --> 01:29:02.480]  his time.
[01:29:02.480 --> 01:29:06.240]  And because they feared the crowds because the crowds held him as a prophet.
[01:29:06.240 --> 01:29:09.560]  But yeah, that was, it was his time at that point in time.
[01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:11.880]  But yeah, they really upset him with the money changers.
[01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:12.880]  That is true.
[01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:16.200]  My point is, watch the money changers.
[01:29:16.200 --> 01:29:18.040]  They're worse than the lawyers.
[01:29:18.040 --> 01:29:21.480]  Well, and they were part of the religious system at the time too.
[01:29:21.480 --> 01:29:25.340]  Yeah, they were grouped together.
[01:29:25.340 --> 01:29:26.340]  Go ahead, Johnny.
[01:29:26.340 --> 01:29:28.440]  We've got about 30 seconds and then we got to, and then we're going to break.
[01:29:28.440 --> 01:29:30.560]  You got, you got 30 seconds to make your last point.
[01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:31.560]  Okay.
[01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:36.880]  I was just going to say, Randy raised an interesting point that all throughout the Bible, the only
[01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:42.160]  group of people on this earth who managed to bring Jesus, the Prince of peace to anger
[01:29:42.160 --> 01:29:44.560]  were the lawyers and the bankers.
[01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:46.560]  I think that's interesting.
[01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:47.560]  Yes.
[01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:48.560]  Okay.
[01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:50.040]  That's where the evil lies.
[01:29:50.040 --> 01:29:51.040]  Okay.
[01:29:51.040 --> 01:29:55.360]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[01:29:55.360 --> 01:29:59.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:07.840]  A new Gallup poll shows the majority of Americans feel the government is too powerful and nearly
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[01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:55.120]  So what does it mean when a Gallup poll shows that more than half of us think the government
[01:30:55.120 --> 01:30:56.120]  is out of control?
[01:30:56.120 --> 01:30:59.800]  Why are we suddenly so afraid of ourselves?
[01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:02.880]  Jefferson remarked, when governments fear the people, there is liberty.
[01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:06.080]  When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
[01:31:06.080 --> 01:31:10.120]  Based on how many people fear the government these days, we may be headed into tyrannical
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[01:31:11.120 --> 01:31:15.480]  It's time we stop delegating our political responsibilities to the politicians and take
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[01:33:41.040 --> 01:33:46.680]  Brandy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're going to go to Tony and...
[01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:47.680]  Wait.
[01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:48.680]  Let me see if Johnny...
[01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:49.680]  Yeah.
[01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:50.680]  Tony...
[01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:51.680]  Yeah.
[01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:52.680]  Johnny's...
[01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:53.680]  We're done with Johnny.
[01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:54.680]  Johnny dropped off.
[01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:55.680]  Oh, John's gone.
[01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:56.680]  Okay.
[01:33:56.680 --> 01:33:57.680]  Okay.
[01:33:57.680 --> 01:33:58.680]  Now we're going to go to Tony in Illinois.
[01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:02.480]  We have a question on topic and one off topic.
[01:34:02.480 --> 01:34:03.840]  Let's go on topic first.
[01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:05.680]  Mostly comments on topic.
[01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:06.680]  Comment.
[01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:07.680]  Comment.
[01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:08.680]  Okay.
[01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:13.440]  I think when your emailer referred to himself as an objectivist, he was saying he was a
[01:34:13.440 --> 01:34:16.480]  follower of Ayn Rand.
[01:34:16.480 --> 01:34:19.680]  No, that wasn't Ayn Rand.
[01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:20.680]  No.
[01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:22.300]  I saw the email.
[01:34:22.300 --> 01:34:25.920]  What he was saying had nothing to do with the teachings of Ayn Rand.
[01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:26.920]  Yeah.
[01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.080]  Ayn Rand treats the art of selfishness.
[01:34:29.080 --> 01:34:34.920]  The reason I say that is that's where philosophy is called objectivism.
[01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:40.480]  Well, he may be calling himself an objectivist, but he doesn't really know what that means.
[01:34:40.480 --> 01:34:47.120]  That's pretty apparent because if he was a true objectivist, then he would be self-absorbed
[01:34:47.120 --> 01:34:50.520]  and he wouldn't even be concerned about what we're saying or not saying, and he would just
[01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.160]  leave us alone and turn off the radio if he doesn't like it.
[01:34:53.160 --> 01:34:54.160]  Hold on.
[01:34:54.160 --> 01:34:57.800]  I think self-absorbed may be a little judgmental.
[01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:08.880]  If he were truly objective, he would grant Christianity and other religions its space.
[01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:16.600]  When I said that, I mean, objectivism taken to the extreme can lead to, as you say, the
[01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.320]  art of selfishness, and so that's why I said that.
[01:35:19.320 --> 01:35:24.920]  But moderate objectivists, he's not one of those either because, like Randy was saying,
[01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:28.620]  he would just let us have our space to do what we want on our property, and if he doesn't
[01:35:28.620 --> 01:35:30.320]  like it, he'll go about his merry way.
[01:35:30.320 --> 01:35:31.320]  So anyway, go ahead.
[01:35:31.320 --> 01:35:32.320]  Yeah.
[01:35:32.320 --> 01:35:33.880]  And that's what Ayn Rand would say.
[01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:39.720]  If you don't like it, you're absolutely free to go somewhere else.
[01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:44.600]  And if it's your house and you get to call the shots, it's my house I do.
[01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:51.800]  I've read all of Ayn Rand's books, and I think she was about halfway wacko.
[01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:54.960]  But she has some good ideas in there.
[01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.460]  But this guy was doing something else.
[01:35:58.460 --> 01:36:07.160]  He had an agenda, and it was clear in his use of language that he had an agenda that
[01:36:07.160 --> 01:36:16.600]  he wasn't revealing, and he used the term objectivist to try to snooker us into believing
[01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:21.920]  that he really was objective, and when his whole email was anything but objective.
[01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:25.360]  I think he's trying to snooker himself into believing that he's objective.
[01:36:25.360 --> 01:36:26.360]  I do too.
[01:36:26.360 --> 01:36:29.160]  Did he capitalize it?
[01:36:29.160 --> 01:36:30.160]  Go ahead, Tony.
[01:36:30.160 --> 01:36:31.160]  Did he capitalize objectivism?
[01:36:31.160 --> 01:36:32.160]  Yes, he did.
[01:36:32.160 --> 01:36:33.160]  Objectivist?
[01:36:33.160 --> 01:36:38.560]  Yes, he did, as I recall.
[01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:42.080]  That might indicate that he is a follower of Ayn Rand.
[01:36:42.080 --> 01:36:47.360]  You know, there are quite a few followers within the so-called truth movement or patriot
[01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:53.800]  movement who are followers of Ayn Rand, who are libertarians.
[01:36:53.800 --> 01:37:00.080]  And there are also many people like him who, though they're kind of on our side as far
[01:37:00.080 --> 01:37:05.320]  as that goes, are also virulently anti-Christian.
[01:37:05.320 --> 01:37:07.720]  I think that's just reflective of—
[01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:18.080]  I haven't seen that in the—I haven't seen that come out at all, especially if it's
[01:37:18.080 --> 01:37:20.080]  not in Ayn Rand's work.
[01:37:20.080 --> 01:37:21.080]  No, it's not—
[01:37:21.080 --> 01:37:26.440]  Libertarians, I haven't seen the libertarians to be at all anti-religion, and that's what
[01:37:26.440 --> 01:37:29.080]  makes them more objective.
[01:37:29.080 --> 01:37:34.600]  You know, they say, well, you know, I don't believe in all that, but—and a lot of libertarians
[01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:42.800]  are religious, and they find it objectionably reasonable in their context.
[01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:51.000]  Yeah, Randy, there are a number of libertarians out there that are extremely anti-Christian
[01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:57.280]  and that say things and do things that actually even depart from the libertarian philosophy
[01:37:57.280 --> 01:38:00.220]  because they're so bent out of shape about it.
[01:38:00.220 --> 01:38:02.240]  But that doesn't have anything to do with libertarianism.
[01:38:02.240 --> 01:38:04.880]  No, and it has nothing to do with objectivism either.
[01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:08.920]  So this guy, he doesn't know what the word means because the entire email and all of
[01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:12.900]  his actions and all of his emails and all of his calls throughout the years are anything
[01:38:12.900 --> 01:38:14.160]  but that.
[01:38:14.160 --> 01:38:16.400]  We may be being a little too judgmental.
[01:38:16.400 --> 01:38:22.760]  Well, I'm just saying from experience and the level of rudeness and even threatening,
[01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:27.480]  I don't want to be judgmental, but when somebody threatens me and is that rude to
[01:38:27.480 --> 01:38:32.080]  me, I think I have the ground to say that he's not being very objective towards me.
[01:38:32.080 --> 01:38:36.520]  I'm thinking, you know, I'm looking at—when I read that, I'm wondering, you know, what
[01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:38.680]  expectations does he hold?
[01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:42.640]  What was he brought up to think and believe?
[01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:50.780]  I take that more as a reflection of his parents than I do of him because what he was projecting
[01:38:50.780 --> 01:38:56.080]  was not something that people generally come to on their own.
[01:38:56.080 --> 01:38:59.360]  This is training.
[01:38:59.360 --> 01:39:08.440]  Someone trained him to be a blamer, to cast blame and cast unreasonable blame.
[01:39:08.440 --> 01:39:16.760]  So I'm not particularly religious, but there's a lot of wisdom in there.
[01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:25.200]  My primary study is psychology, and I like to call him Jesus, was dead on.
[01:39:25.200 --> 01:39:30.440]  He was exactly right in how he dealt with people.
[01:39:30.440 --> 01:39:32.680]  He had wisdom.
[01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:34.640]  This works.
[01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:42.420]  He had knowledge and understood how to positively influence human beings.
[01:39:42.420 --> 01:39:49.640]  Had he done what this emailer did, he would have generated the same kind of resistance
[01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:55.640]  the emailer is getting from us.
[01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:56.640]  He has to know.
[01:39:56.640 --> 01:40:04.560]  I mean, he's grown up, and this is apparently his native culture, so you can't say he didn't
[01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:06.240]  know how we were going to respond to him.
[01:40:06.240 --> 01:40:09.120]  No, he's trying to evoke a negative response.
[01:40:09.120 --> 01:40:10.880]  He's trying to be provocative.
[01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:16.840]  That's fairly obvious, and you gave him exactly what he was not expecting, Randy, which is
[01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:17.840]  the perfect response.
[01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:21.640]  Listen, we've only got about three minutes left in this segment.
[01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:25.400]  Tony, what other points did you want to make, because you had some other issues?
[01:40:25.400 --> 01:40:36.360]  Well, I called the Florida office, the Secretary of State, regarding notaries, and I'm not
[01:40:36.360 --> 01:40:41.200]  sure if you're aware of this, but apparently the complaints go to the governor's legal
[01:40:41.200 --> 01:40:46.480]  office, and they actually have a notary section there.
[01:40:46.480 --> 01:40:49.120]  Oh, in the governor's office?
[01:40:49.120 --> 01:40:51.320]  Oh, that's interesting.
[01:40:51.320 --> 01:40:52.560]  The governor's legal office.
[01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:54.040]  Yeah, I haven't heard that.
[01:40:54.040 --> 01:40:56.840]  I didn't know that about Florida.
[01:40:56.840 --> 01:40:59.200]  Most states, it goes to the attorney general.
[01:40:59.200 --> 01:41:03.320]  In Washington, D.C., it goes to the mayor.
[01:41:03.320 --> 01:41:09.400]  Well, I'll give the address out for it.
[01:41:09.400 --> 01:41:18.840]  I can't find it now, but I think it's flgov.com backslash notary, and they even have a form
[01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:21.600]  on there that you can fill out.
[01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:26.520]  I talked to the lady at that office, and she didn't really give me a lot of information
[01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:35.240]  as far as because she wasn't actually in the notary section, but I tried to get some information
[01:41:35.240 --> 01:41:46.440]  about how many complaints would it take to get a notary to lose their license or whatever.
[01:41:46.440 --> 01:41:50.280]  But she said they're taken on an individual basis, so I would assume if you really caught
[01:41:50.280 --> 01:41:56.680]  someone in a good one, just one could make them lose their privileges.
[01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:01.240]  Yeah, because that goes to criminal.
[01:42:01.240 --> 01:42:04.920]  If you got them flat-footed, that's a felony.
[01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:10.960]  It's generally, like in Texas, it'd be a Class A misdemeanor when they do it, but when that
[01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:17.000]  document's filed in the record, that's a felony, so that is a big deal.
[01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:24.920]  They actually have the laws on that page I just noted as well, and I think there's a
[01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:35.560]  Class III felony if you notarize something when they're not there or something like that.
[01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:36.560]  I can't remember.
[01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:44.920]  I'm not reading it, but if you have any time, can you review what goes into a validation
[01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:45.920]  letter?
[01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:49.200]  Oh, a debt validation letter, yes.
[01:42:49.200 --> 01:42:54.160]  There's about six things you've noted, you know, which seems to go further than just
[01:42:54.160 --> 01:43:01.080]  your general, that are more specific to mortgages, that seem to go beyond just the general validation
[01:43:01.080 --> 01:43:02.080]  letter.
[01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:03.080]  Okay.
[01:43:03.080 --> 01:43:07.600]  We need to separate a debt validation letter from a qualified written request.
[01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:16.280]  A qualified written request is a notice to the servicer of an accounting error and a
[01:43:16.280 --> 01:43:18.520]  request that the error be corrected.
[01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:26.920]  A debt validation letter is demanding that the servicer establish agency to represent
[01:43:26.920 --> 01:43:33.720]  a principal who has standing and capacity, and I'll pick that up when we come back on
[01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:39.280]  the other side and explain agency, standing, and capacity.
[01:43:39.280 --> 01:43:46.320]  This is Randy Kelton, W. Stevens, Root of Law Radio, our call-in number 512-646-1984,
[01:43:46.320 --> 01:43:51.000]  and Mark and Josh, I see you there, we'll try to get to you on the other side, we'll
[01:43:51.000 --> 01:44:01.760]  be right back.
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[01:46:23.640 --> 01:46:30.480]  Okay, Tony, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and Tony, I'm
[01:46:30.480 --> 01:46:31.480]  going to move quickly.
[01:46:31.480 --> 01:46:35.240]  We've got two more callers that have been holding a long time, so I want to make sure
[01:46:35.240 --> 01:46:36.880]  I get to them.
[01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:41.280]  If you guys, if I don't get everything covered tonight, if you call back tomorrow night,
[01:46:41.280 --> 01:46:45.720]  we've got a four-hour show, and I'll take you guys first if I don't get to you.
[01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:48.800]  Tony, agency, standing in capacity.
[01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:52.960]  The agent, agency may not be proven out of the mouth of the agent, it must be proved
[01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:54.660]  out of the mouth of the principal.
[01:46:54.660 --> 01:47:02.000]  The agent must show a contract with the principal showing that he has power of attorney to act
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:03.520]  for the principal.
[01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:15.440]  The principal must show that he has standing by way of a complete chain of title or a complete
[01:47:15.440 --> 01:47:23.640]  chain of assignments or appointments by someone who does have authority to act on the contract,
[01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:29.520]  like an appointment of substitute trustee, whoever does the appointment must have had
[01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:32.920]  power to do that, so that gives him standing.
[01:47:32.920 --> 01:47:40.860]  Then he must have capacity, he must have the capacity to collect by virtue of compliance
[01:47:40.860 --> 01:47:45.920]  with all the covenants of the contract and compliance with all standing law.
[01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:47.800]  Does that make sense?
[01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:50.880]  Yeah, does that make sense?
[01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:55.520]  I know you've repeated that so many times, but I was thinking, maybe I'm thinking of
[01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.920]  a discovery document or something where you have about a half a dozen.
[01:47:59.920 --> 01:48:04.600]  You got these things online and these guys fill them full of discovery, and I put a bunch
[01:48:04.600 --> 01:48:11.760]  of discovery in the debt validation letter, but all of the discovery goes to proving up
[01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:18.000]  that you have agency to represent a principal with standing and capacity.
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.640]  I don't have time to go all over all this time.
[01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.920]  Yeah, Tony, we're going to talk about that some more tomorrow because we need to squeeze
[01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:26.560]  in these calls that have been waiting for like an hour and a half.
[01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:31.440]  Yeah, I'll pull down the document that I use and kind of walk through what I'm asking for
[01:48:31.440 --> 01:48:33.480]  and why I'm asking for it.
[01:48:33.480 --> 01:48:34.480]  All right.
[01:48:34.480 --> 01:48:35.480]  Tune in tomorrow.
[01:48:35.480 --> 01:48:36.480]  Thanks, Tony.
[01:48:36.480 --> 01:48:37.480]  All right.
[01:48:37.480 --> 01:48:39.480]  We're going to Mark from Washington next, and then Josh.
[01:48:39.480 --> 01:48:43.800]  Mark, you had a question on the God topic conversation.
[01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:44.800]  Sure.
[01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:45.800]  Hi, Randy.
[01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:46.800]  Hi, Deborah.
[01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:48.360]  I got a couple of points.
[01:48:48.360 --> 01:48:53.760]  First off, I'd like to say that I'm an agnostic, so you know where I'm standing, but I adhere
[01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:54.760]  to Christian principles.
[01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:55.760]  Okay, okay.
[01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:59.640]  I had that once, but I took appeal for it, and it's better now.
[01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:00.640]  Okay, whatever.
[01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:01.640]  Go ahead.
[01:49:01.640 --> 01:49:02.640]  Finish your point, Mark.
[01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:06.160]  So I adhere to Christian principles, and I believe in Scripture.
[01:49:06.160 --> 01:49:15.040]  I also have decided to believe in the personage of Jesus as a Savior, so I want to lay out
[01:49:15.040 --> 01:49:16.040]  that first.
[01:49:16.040 --> 01:49:21.480]  So the first point I want to make is that I think Deborah had a really good point, Randy,
[01:49:21.480 --> 01:49:23.280]  that you kind of sidestepped.
[01:49:23.280 --> 01:49:30.000]  You have to believe in a future beyond this life to have optimism in the end event and
[01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:33.800]  a certain unselfishness from an animalistic viewpoint.
[01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:41.080]  My personal opinion, now, the second point I want to make is when you presume that God
[01:49:41.080 --> 01:49:47.960]  exists, that act of will is no different than presuming that God does not exist.
[01:49:47.960 --> 01:49:49.480]  It's an act of will.
[01:49:49.480 --> 01:49:50.720]  It's a choice.
[01:49:50.720 --> 01:49:52.840]  You cannot prove that God exists.
[01:49:52.840 --> 01:50:01.360]  You cannot prove, most certainly, you cannot prove evidence or fact of something that you
[01:50:01.360 --> 01:50:02.700]  presume does not exist.
[01:50:02.700 --> 01:50:06.600]  You will never come up with any proof that God does not exist.
[01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:10.920]  So my final point is this to you, Randy.
[01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:17.320]  In the Declaration of Independence, it says we are endowed with certain unalienable rights
[01:50:17.320 --> 01:50:20.060]  by a Creator.
[01:50:20.060 --> 01:50:26.280]  So when the school district makes a religious statement and they decide to presume that
[01:50:26.280 --> 01:50:31.480]  God does not exist, which has no hope of proof at all, but at least on the side, if you presume
[01:50:31.480 --> 01:50:34.760]  that God might exist, you have some hope for it.
[01:50:34.760 --> 01:50:40.920]  If they presume that God does not exist, doesn't it completely knock the foundation out from
[01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:44.600]  under our entire body of laws completely?
[01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:48.920]  Because now we have no foundational argument for...
[01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:50.160]  No, no, no.
[01:50:50.160 --> 01:50:51.920]  You're way overreaching there.
[01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:52.920]  Oh, no.
[01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:55.280]  I think Mark has a great point.
[01:50:55.280 --> 01:50:59.680]  I agree that we can't make that statement in school.
[01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:02.200]  We can't say God doesn't exist.
[01:51:02.200 --> 01:51:04.480]  As Americans, we have to presume...
[01:51:04.480 --> 01:51:07.520]  No, not as Americans, as rational human beings.
[01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:08.520]  No, no.
[01:51:08.520 --> 01:51:10.520]  I'm talking about our body of law.
[01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:14.480]  I'm saying that our body of law comes from the Declaration of Independence, our Bill
[01:51:14.480 --> 01:51:17.160]  of Rights comes from there, and our central...
[01:51:17.160 --> 01:51:18.160]  No, it doesn't.
[01:51:18.160 --> 01:51:19.160]  Oh, it does.
[01:51:19.160 --> 01:51:20.160]  It does.
[01:51:20.160 --> 01:51:21.160]  That's the...
[01:51:21.160 --> 01:51:22.160]  Yeah, don't say it does.
[01:51:22.160 --> 01:51:23.160]  It does.
[01:51:23.160 --> 01:51:25.840]  It comes from the common law.
[01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:29.720]  And then it comes from the laws passed by the legislature.
[01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:35.560]  Initially, it was the common law and the law of judges, and we didn't like that.
[01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:39.800]  So we had our legislature pass statutes.
[01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:40.800]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:41.800]  God didn't do that.
[01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:42.800]  Our legislation...
[01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:43.800]  Wait a minute.
[01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:44.800]  Wait a minute.
[01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:45.800]  I want to make a comment here too.
[01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:46.800]  Mark has an excellent point.
[01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:49.680]  Okay, Randy, you're saying it comes from the common law.
[01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:50.680]  That is true.
[01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:57.240]  Okay, but in a sense, there was a fundamental change in our body of law when this country
[01:51:57.240 --> 01:52:00.520]  was formed and it incorporated the common law.
[01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:07.160]  But before this country was formed, it was the so-called quote-unquote divine right of
[01:52:07.160 --> 01:52:10.780]  kings, where individuals had no rights.
[01:52:10.780 --> 01:52:20.200]  It was not even a consideration in the body of law that individuals had inherent rights
[01:52:20.200 --> 01:52:24.720]  that were endowed simply because they were born, that were endowed by their creator.
[01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:29.280]  They were called subjects, okay, and they had no rights.
[01:52:29.280 --> 01:52:30.280]  They had privilege...
[01:52:30.280 --> 01:52:31.280]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:52:31.280 --> 01:52:32.280]  Let me finish.
[01:52:32.280 --> 01:52:33.280]  Let me finish.
[01:52:33.280 --> 01:52:34.280]  This is history.
[01:52:34.280 --> 01:52:36.040]  Okay, I'm not making this up.
[01:52:36.040 --> 01:52:42.320]  They were subjects and they had privileges that were granted to them by the king and
[01:52:42.320 --> 01:52:46.840]  the only individual that had any rights at all was the king, okay?
[01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.560]  That's why it was called the divine right of kings.
[01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:54.240]  And then when this country was formed, just like Mark was saying in the Declaration of
[01:52:54.240 --> 01:52:59.800]  Independence, there was a change where they said, you know what?
[01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:04.760]  We hold these truths to be self-evident.
[01:53:04.760 --> 01:53:05.760]  Guess what?
[01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:10.000]  We're on the wall over our eyes all this time with all this tyranny, but you know what?
[01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:11.640]  This is a truth that is self-evident.
[01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:12.640]  Wait a minute.
[01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:13.640]  Hold on.
[01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:14.640]  Let me finish.
[01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:15.640]  You missed the Magna Carta.
[01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:16.640]  Hold on.
[01:53:16.640 --> 01:53:17.640]  Let me finish.
[01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:18.640]  This is a truth that is self-evident.
[01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:22.360]  No, I'm not missing the Magna Carta and I will address that, but you got to let me finish.
[01:53:22.360 --> 01:53:29.920]  They said this is a truth that is self-evident, that we have rights by our creator.
[01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:34.900]  From what I remember in the Magna Carta, that was not part of it because in the Magna Carta,
[01:53:34.900 --> 01:53:42.320]  the rights that were expressed in the Magna Carta are enumerated only were for the barons,
[01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:43.600]  for the landowners.
[01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:46.480]  The Magna Carta didn't apply to the common people, okay?
[01:53:46.480 --> 01:53:50.200]  And so in the Declaration of Independence, they took those same principles from the Magna
[01:53:50.200 --> 01:53:53.400]  Carta, but they said now it's for everyone.
[01:53:53.400 --> 01:53:56.620]  We all have rights and they are from our creator.
[01:53:56.620 --> 01:53:58.600]  So Mark has a really good point there.
[01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:03.560]  And you know, Randy, I want to say, you know, your point's not lost upon me, but I want
[01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:07.080]  to say this, you know, I understand you feel I may be reaching.
[01:54:07.080 --> 01:54:12.440]  I can understand that and I do appreciate it, but I think it's a little obstinate.
[01:54:12.440 --> 01:54:19.400]  I think that it's more of a reach that you presume that God does not exist instead of
[01:54:19.400 --> 01:54:26.080]  going back to the Declaration of Independence, which foundationally identifies us as a nation
[01:54:26.080 --> 01:54:32.840]  state with a particular principle and out of a decent respect for the opinion of mankind,
[01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:37.600]  we declare our reasons that impel us to the separation.
[01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:39.120]  Ah, wait a minute.
[01:54:39.120 --> 01:54:40.840]  That's a false argument.
[01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:49.040]  Just because our founders said that, that don't mean that God exists.
[01:54:49.040 --> 01:54:54.440]  How is it more of a reach at that point than the reach you want to make that we deny a
[01:54:54.440 --> 01:54:56.520]  creator exists and they...
[01:54:56.520 --> 01:54:57.520]  Oh, foul.
[01:54:57.520 --> 01:55:00.360]  I never said any such thing.
[01:55:00.360 --> 01:55:06.160]  Well, my public school system taxes me to teach a religion of the non-God, which I do
[01:55:06.160 --> 01:55:09.040]  not support, under the force of the army.
[01:55:09.040 --> 01:55:10.040]  They don't.
[01:55:10.040 --> 01:55:11.040]  Okay.
[01:55:11.040 --> 01:55:12.040]  Take these taxes.
[01:55:12.040 --> 01:55:15.940]  This is, you're spreading the argument out to places that don't go.
[01:55:15.940 --> 01:55:24.280]  Where the argument should be is I have no problem with teaching evolution, but we don't
[01:55:24.280 --> 01:55:26.040]  get to say God doesn't exist.
[01:55:26.040 --> 01:55:27.040]  Okay.
[01:55:27.040 --> 01:55:31.200]  There's no problem with teaching evolution and I'll tell you why, from a technical scientific
[01:55:31.200 --> 01:55:33.800]  perspective, there is no proof of it.
[01:55:33.800 --> 01:55:37.840]  There's this missing link thing that's part of the evolutionary theory.
[01:55:37.840 --> 01:55:39.360]  There's not just one missing link.
[01:55:39.360 --> 01:55:40.360]  Guess what?
[01:55:40.360 --> 01:55:44.640]  There are billions, billions of missing links in the evolutionary theory.
[01:55:44.640 --> 01:55:46.360]  And then they want us to accept that.
[01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:47.840]  I call that mythology.
[01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:48.920]  Okay.
[01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:51.340]  So I do have a problem with evolution.
[01:55:51.340 --> 01:55:53.080]  There's no proof of it.
[01:55:53.080 --> 01:55:55.480]  It is taught as a theory.
[01:55:55.480 --> 01:55:57.440]  And that's all.
[01:55:57.440 --> 01:56:03.580]  And the problem with, you know, I understand there's problems with it because a chromagnon
[01:56:03.580 --> 01:56:05.480]  doesn't fit evolution at all.
[01:56:05.480 --> 01:56:06.960]  Well, nothing does.
[01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:10.440]  There is not one link from one species to another.
[01:56:10.440 --> 01:56:13.680]  In fact, there are hundreds of species.
[01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:14.680]  Evolution says that.
[01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:19.880]  There's no evolutionary evidence of one species evolving into another species.
[01:56:19.880 --> 01:56:20.880]  There's not.
[01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:21.880]  There's not.
[01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:22.880]  And evolution says that.
[01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:24.600]  We don't know how that happens.
[01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:25.600]  It doesn't.
[01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:26.600]  It didn't happen.
[01:56:26.600 --> 01:56:28.440]  All the species were created individually.
[01:56:28.440 --> 01:56:29.440]  Go ahead, Mark.
[01:56:29.440 --> 01:56:30.440]  We're about to run out of time.
[01:56:30.440 --> 01:56:36.440]  I am not going to get into the evolution argument, although irreducible biological complexity
[01:56:36.440 --> 01:56:38.320]  is certainly compelling.
[01:56:38.320 --> 01:56:43.520]  I will say this, Randy, I think if you're going to deny the creator that I have the
[01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:44.520]  right to deny.
[01:56:44.520 --> 01:56:45.520]  Oh, stop that.
[01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:46.520]  I didn't deny the creator.
[01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:47.520]  No.
[01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:48.520]  If you're going to deny.
[01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:54.960]  You're saying that I didn't accept everything out of hand completely, totally, then I absolutely
[01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:55.960]  deny him completely.
[01:56:55.960 --> 01:56:57.120]  I didn't do that.
[01:56:57.120 --> 01:56:58.120]  That's unfair.
[01:56:58.120 --> 01:57:03.240]  How can you allow the school districts to deny the existence of the creator God?
[01:57:03.240 --> 01:57:05.000]  How can you deny that?
[01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:07.000]  We can't prove it.
[01:57:07.000 --> 01:57:08.280]  Of course you can't.
[01:57:08.280 --> 01:57:13.040]  I just said that we should not be saying there is no God.
[01:57:13.040 --> 01:57:14.040]  We can't prove it.
[01:57:14.040 --> 01:57:15.040]  We shouldn't.
[01:57:15.040 --> 01:57:18.280]  And we shouldn't say there is one either.
[01:57:18.280 --> 01:57:20.080]  We can't prove that either.
[01:57:20.080 --> 01:57:24.400]  But the Constitution does not guarantee us freedom from religion.
[01:57:24.400 --> 01:57:27.000]  It guarantees us freedom of it.
[01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:28.000]  Yes.
[01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:35.440]  And if you have a government controlled entity, proselytizing religion, anyone who has a different
[01:57:35.440 --> 01:57:38.560]  belief has a right to be free from that.
[01:57:38.560 --> 01:57:39.560]  That's right.
[01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:44.520]  Including me, who doesn't believe in the religion of the non-God.
[01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:45.520]  That's not a religion.
[01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:46.520]  That's nonsense.
[01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:48.960]  Even atheism is a religion.
[01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:51.520]  It's no such thing.
[01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:54.240]  You need to look up the term.
[01:57:54.240 --> 01:57:57.400]  Atheism doesn't go to a higher power.
[01:57:57.400 --> 01:57:58.400]  All right.
[01:57:58.400 --> 01:58:00.680]  Well, listen, we are out of time.
[01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:01.680]  Maybe we can talk about...
[01:58:01.680 --> 01:58:02.680]  Wait a minute.
[01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:03.680]  I want to fight.
[01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:04.680]  Let's fight about religion.
[01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:05.680]  Okay.
[01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:08.360]  We're going to have to continue this tomorrow night.
[01:58:08.360 --> 01:58:10.080]  Josh, I'm sorry we didn't get to you.
[01:58:10.080 --> 01:58:13.000]  Kathy from Missouri, we didn't get to you.
[01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:16.640]  I will be around for a little bit with Randy tomorrow night.
[01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:18.400]  I'm going to participate some tomorrow night.
[01:58:18.400 --> 01:58:21.920]  So folks, if y'all want to continue this discussion, we can continue it some tomorrow night.
[01:58:21.920 --> 01:58:24.120]  We've got four hours to talk about this.
[01:58:24.120 --> 01:58:29.640]  But Mark, listen, like I said earlier, this is a Prussian model education system for training
[01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:33.600]  our children to become human resources, to become cogs in the collective.
[01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:35.120]  We're never going to change that.
[01:58:35.120 --> 01:58:36.720]  You need to pull your kids out of the schools.
[01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:37.720]  All right.
[01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:38.720]  That's all there is to it.
[01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:40.400]  I went over that at great length.
[01:58:40.400 --> 01:58:44.680]  Folks, we'll be back tomorrow night for a four hour info marathon.
[01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:46.200]  Good night and God bless.
[01:58:46.200 --> 01:58:47.200]  Yes.
[01:58:47.200 --> 01:58:48.200]  God bless.
[01:58:48.200 --> 01:58:50.960]  We'll see y'all tomorrow night.
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