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[00:15.640 --> 00:20.600]  John Bush here with your Liberty Beats for February 20th, 2013.
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[00:39.960 --> 00:42.800]  And now the news.
[00:42.800 --> 00:47.280]  An Israeli soldier has sparked outrage by posting a photograph appearing to show the
[00:47.280 --> 00:52.600]  back of a Palestinian boy's head in the crosshairs of his sniper rifle on a social networking
[00:52.600 --> 00:53.600]  site.
[00:53.600 --> 00:59.600]  The context of the picture posted on the personal Instagram site of Moore Ostervarsky 20 could
[00:59.600 --> 01:02.880]  not be verified, but the aggressive message is clear.
[01:02.880 --> 01:07.080]  The minarets and Arabic architecture of the village captured in the background suggests
[01:07.080 --> 01:09.320]  the boy in the town or Palestinian.
[01:09.320 --> 01:13.200]  Ostervarsky is an Israeli soldier in a sniper unit.
[01:13.200 --> 01:17.280]  The Israeli military said the soldiers, commanders were investigating the incident.
[01:17.280 --> 01:21.720]  His actions are, quote, not in accordance with the spirit of the Israeli Defense Forces
[01:21.720 --> 01:24.840]  or its values, a spokesperson said.
[01:24.840 --> 01:30.680]  A Missouri lawmaker is proposing to send colleagues to prison for introducing gun control legislation,
[01:30.680 --> 01:35.520]  a plan that even its sponsor acknowledges has no chance of passing but nonetheless highlights
[01:35.520 --> 01:41.560]  the increasingly strident tone of gun measures in Missouri's generally pro-gun legislature.
[01:41.560 --> 01:45.840]  Representative Mike Leera said Tuesday that he considers his bill a statement of principle.
[01:45.840 --> 01:50.400]  It would make lawmakers guilty of a felony punishable by up to four years in prison if
[01:50.400 --> 01:53.400]  they introduced legislation restricting gun rights.
[01:53.400 --> 01:57.560]  I have no illusions about the bill making it through the legislative process, but I
[01:57.560 --> 02:01.800]  want it to be clear that the Missouri House will stand in defense of the people's constitutional
[02:01.800 --> 02:03.360]  right to keep and bear arms.
[02:03.360 --> 02:07.320]  Leera, a Republican from suburban St. Louis, said in a written statement.
[02:07.320 --> 02:10.440]  He declined further comment.
[02:10.440 --> 02:15.240]  Meloise Richardson is the Ohio poll worker who admitted to casting two votes in November
[02:15.240 --> 02:17.200]  for President Barack Obama.
[02:17.200 --> 02:22.800]  Now Ohio officials are investigating if she voted in the names of four other people as
[02:22.800 --> 02:28.440]  well and cast a total of six ballots in the 2012 election according to Fox News.
[02:28.440 --> 02:32.760]  The investigation is part of a wider one into a number of cases of alleged voter fraud in
[02:32.760 --> 02:34.800]  Hamilton County, Ohio.
[02:34.800 --> 02:39.520]  Richardson says she filled out and submitted absentee ballots on her granddaughter's behalf
[02:39.520 --> 02:43.760]  and her granddaughter has confirmed that, saying it wasn't a big deal.
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[03:25.880 --> 03:55.560]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, move along radio.
[03:55.560 --> 04:04.240]  This is Thursday, the 21st day of February 2013.
[04:04.240 --> 04:09.320]  Thank you all for being here and we don't have a guest tonight, so we'll open up the
[04:09.320 --> 04:11.680]  phone lines early.
[04:11.680 --> 04:20.880]  I have a number of things I would like to talk about and one of the first ones is a
[04:20.880 --> 04:29.800]  new technology that we're getting put together and I want to ask for input.
[04:29.800 --> 04:36.080]  If anybody has been listening, we've probably heard me talk about this map that I have put
[04:36.080 --> 04:40.040]  together for the foreclosure issue.
[04:40.040 --> 04:47.680]  I have one that's also coming together for criminal issues for anyone who's been arrested.
[04:47.680 --> 04:56.200]  We're putting together a questionnaire that will walk you through every step from arrest
[04:56.200 --> 04:58.600]  to trial.
[04:58.600 --> 05:06.800]  We started this about five years ago and Deb helped with it and it's been growing and
[05:06.800 --> 05:18.400]  morphing ever since then and it has, of late, morphed into something rather remarkable.
[05:18.400 --> 05:23.520]  I've talked about being an engineer and how a good engineer, if he does his job right,
[05:23.520 --> 05:26.600]  he doesn't design anything.
[05:26.600 --> 05:35.600]  He gets himself out of the way and lets the design create itself and this one has taken
[05:35.600 --> 05:42.600]  us to a place we never expected to go to when we started.
[05:42.600 --> 05:54.400]  This map arrangement, it is a way of taking a whole field of research and making it available
[05:54.400 --> 06:00.240]  to someone in one piece.
[06:00.240 --> 06:08.880]  We've done that with the foreclosure map and in looking at it because it allows you
[06:08.880 --> 06:18.120]  to see a number of issues at one time that all bear on the same issue.
[06:18.120 --> 06:20.440]  I've talked about this before but I'll go over it again.
[06:20.440 --> 06:30.120]  We get a lot of researchers, people calling us who are mostly pro se researchers.
[06:30.120 --> 06:42.600]  Being pro se and not learned counsel, we tend to have large gaps in our legal knowledge
[06:42.600 --> 06:48.920]  and we find an issue that we research like I researched due process and other people
[06:48.920 --> 06:50.280]  research different things.
[06:50.280 --> 06:56.040]  We tend to get tunnel vision and a lot of times, if you've listened to the show a lot,
[06:56.040 --> 07:04.720]  you've probably heard some of these folks call in with issues or with ideas and research
[07:04.720 --> 07:11.840]  and it's kind of like they took two empty toilet paper rolls and stuck one over each
[07:11.840 --> 07:20.680]  eyeball and all they can see is down this little tunnel on this one tiny little issue.
[07:20.680 --> 07:33.680]  The problem with tiny little issues of that nature is nothing is ever in isolation.
[07:33.680 --> 07:42.000]  Everything is always related to everything around it and humans are especially adept
[07:42.000 --> 07:46.320]  at dealing with issues in context.
[07:46.320 --> 07:54.160]  But when we focus on an issue, we tend to lose that depth or field of vision and tend
[07:54.160 --> 07:57.640]  to home in and focus on one spot and lose the rest.
[07:57.640 --> 08:05.680]  Well, that's the point of building a map of this nature.
[08:05.680 --> 08:11.680]  Computers as they became more popular had to have a way of organizing files where people
[08:11.680 --> 08:21.280]  could find them and Microsoft pretty well set the standard for how files and information
[08:21.280 --> 08:27.280]  would be presented and they for the most part followed an outline format.
[08:27.280 --> 08:33.320]  When you open Windows Explorer, it'll open up with the root directory, the main directory
[08:33.320 --> 08:43.000]  on the top and then it will organize the first level of subfolders under that root folder.
[08:43.000 --> 08:47.920]  Well, it tends to organize them in alphabetical order.
[08:47.920 --> 08:55.320]  You can reverse the order, you can change the order, it organizes them in, but they're
[08:55.320 --> 09:02.240]  in a order where they start at one place and go to the next, go generally down the page.
[09:02.240 --> 09:05.360]  However you order them, they'll order down the page.
[09:05.360 --> 09:08.960]  There is a thing about human perception.
[09:08.960 --> 09:16.840]  When we look at that, intellectually we know that there's not necessarily a difference
[09:16.840 --> 09:25.200]  between the relevance of one of those files or one of those folders and another.
[09:25.200 --> 09:30.320]  That their position on the page really has nothing to do with their relevance.
[09:30.320 --> 09:37.840]  However, it is a natural tendency to look at the top one first and tend to give it more
[09:37.840 --> 09:43.320]  credence than the one underneath that and the one underneath that.
[09:43.320 --> 09:49.440]  That's a problem when we're looking at a file structure because we tend to get tunnel
[09:49.440 --> 09:57.320]  vision and when you go to a web page, a web page causes a similar problem and you open
[09:57.320 --> 10:01.500]  a page and it'll have a set of links on it.
[10:01.500 --> 10:07.800]  It may be one page in 500 on this website.
[10:07.800 --> 10:11.880]  You click a link and it will jump you to another page.
[10:11.880 --> 10:15.560]  It's just like you're looking through those toilet paper rolls.
[10:15.560 --> 10:24.160]  You can see one tiny little portion of this rather large field of research.
[10:24.160 --> 10:30.240]  We move from page to page or we move down a hierarchy from item to item and intellectually
[10:30.240 --> 10:34.880]  we try to tie these two pieces together.
[10:34.880 --> 10:44.880]  We've created this map so that when you open the issue, the root issue is surrounded by,
[10:44.880 --> 10:51.280]  in this case, five separate issues concerning the main one.
[10:51.280 --> 10:55.000]  This one happens to be foreclosure.
[10:55.000 --> 11:01.400]  There are five different considerations that all apply at the same time.
[11:01.400 --> 11:09.200]  By putting them in a map where you can see them all, even when you move from one page,
[11:09.200 --> 11:13.520]  you can click on the center of the map and it'll take you to a page just like a normal
[11:13.520 --> 11:18.960]  website will and then you click on links and jump from page to page.
[11:18.960 --> 11:24.840]  In the map itself, it's still off there on the side where you can see it.
[11:24.840 --> 11:32.440]  It always, we're working on technology right now, a programmer tells me we can do it, where
[11:32.440 --> 11:42.800]  the map will highlight the spot you are in the matrix of the map and as the natural sequence
[11:42.800 --> 11:50.360]  of information you need to deal with as you deal with a foreclosure issue progresses, it
[11:50.360 --> 11:55.720]  will jump you all over the map from one issue to another and back and up and down and over
[11:55.720 --> 12:03.200]  and by having that visual reference, it tends to keep in the mind's eye the fact that there
[12:03.200 --> 12:10.840]  are a number of issues applying to this same subject.
[12:10.840 --> 12:18.760]  We don't get the tunnel vision and working on that, it led to a project that we're in
[12:18.760 --> 12:20.360]  the process of putting together.
[12:20.360 --> 12:27.280]  I just got the domain name, Legal Earth.
[12:27.280 --> 12:36.200]  Anybody here is familiar with Google, Google Earth, you open it up and it brings up a globe.
[12:36.200 --> 12:43.800]  You can pick a place on the planet and the globe will roll around to bring that point,
[12:43.800 --> 12:48.320]  center on the map and then it will home in on that point.
[12:48.320 --> 12:55.360]  We're putting together an open source project and we're in the process of trying to build
[12:55.360 --> 13:03.440]  a graphic representation but we're trying to build something on the order of this map
[13:03.440 --> 13:13.960]  that will link all of the laws in all of the countries, provinces, states, counties, cities,
[13:13.960 --> 13:22.160]  all of them together in one map so that you'll have a single place to go when you're looking
[13:22.160 --> 13:26.840]  for law, we have people all the time ask us where we can find this law, where we can find
[13:26.840 --> 13:32.520]  that law and even when you go to the websites where the laws are out, they're still hard
[13:32.520 --> 13:33.520]  to find.
[13:33.520 --> 13:39.920]  It took me 20 minutes digging through the American Bar Association sites to finally
[13:39.920 --> 13:47.040]  find where they had the American Bar Association standards and if you look through the state
[13:47.040 --> 13:52.120]  websites for judicial conduct it's much, much worse.
[13:52.120 --> 13:58.080]  It's like they deliberately hide them in a back corner somewhere so what we're trying
[13:58.080 --> 14:08.760]  to do is build a map where you can click on a state or a county or a city and the map
[14:08.760 --> 14:17.680]  will bring up that county, city or state and bring up a menu of all the laws, statutes,
[14:17.680 --> 14:21.680]  click on the statutes you need, it'll take you to that and then map out the statutes
[14:21.680 --> 14:32.600]  so the particular code like penal code, moves a civil procedure, whatever and you can very
[14:32.600 --> 14:39.400]  quickly find the codes that you're looking for and we're asking people to contribute
[14:39.400 --> 14:50.360]  where to post onto this site and anybody who's done some reasonable research, we will be
[14:50.360 --> 14:59.480]  building locations where issues can be mapped out and we'll have a place to put research
[14:59.480 --> 15:01.600]  on individual issues.
[15:01.600 --> 15:09.000]  Deb has done a lot of research and I've done a lot of research and sometimes we find
[15:09.000 --> 15:15.720]  ourselves redoing the same research because we research out an issue and put it away
[15:15.720 --> 15:25.360]  and I have no idea what I've done with it because we did not have an effective active
[15:25.360 --> 15:33.160]  structure to where we could logically place a piece of information where we could come
[15:33.160 --> 15:41.840]  back six months, a year later, look at the structure and know exactly where to go to
[15:41.840 --> 15:49.240]  find that piece of information, that's the primary thing that this map does is it gives
[15:49.240 --> 15:54.240]  us a way of organizing information so it's retrievable.
[15:54.240 --> 16:03.200]  So if anybody's been doing any research and they have some interesting issues, I'm definitely
[16:03.200 --> 16:11.480]  going to want to talk about them and I'll talk about how we were structuring the information
[16:11.480 --> 16:20.840]  so that we can make all the codes available and make it available in a simple format that's
[16:20.840 --> 16:27.520]  easy to structure and one that a website can actually hold because it would seem like
[16:27.520 --> 16:30.880]  trying to hold all the laws on the planet is going to get awful cumbersome but we've
[16:30.880 --> 16:40.920]  got a way around that and it looks like Imran, I see you there, we will pick you up on the
[16:40.920 --> 16:41.920]  other side.
[16:41.920 --> 16:46.600]  This is Randy Kelton, Denver Stephens, Eddie Craig, New York Law Radio, our call in number
[16:46.600 --> 16:54.040]  512-646-1984, we'll be right back on the other side.
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[19:06.400 --> 19:36.240]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens from ruleoflawradio and Emron, I'll go to
[19:36.240 --> 19:43.240]  you in a minute, just...
[19:43.240 --> 20:13.160]  Do you hear that?
[20:43.160 --> 20:48.160]  Like we're blind and we're crazy, them leading with destruction, you see?
[20:48.160 --> 20:53.160]  Nuclear weapon and big gun, they're my point and they can't hear me.
[20:53.160 --> 20:58.160]  They want me, they want to hear you, they want to hear me loud and take the country.
[20:58.160 --> 21:03.160]  They want me, they want to hear you, they want to hear me loud and take the country.
[21:03.160 --> 21:07.160]  We ask the question.
[21:07.160 --> 21:14.160]  We don't have the answer.
[21:14.160 --> 21:19.160]  We ask the question.
[21:19.160 --> 21:23.160]  We don't have the answer.
[21:23.160 --> 21:27.160]  We ask the question.
[21:27.160 --> 21:32.160]  We ask the question.
[21:32.160 --> 21:37.160]  We don't have the answer.
[21:37.160 --> 21:42.160]  We don't have the answer.
[21:42.160 --> 21:47.160]  We don't have the answer.
[21:47.160 --> 21:55.040]  had a little technical glitch there but we're talking about research and if you
[21:55.040 --> 22:02.680]  have done some interesting research we will be putting up a repository we're
[22:02.680 --> 22:11.240]  going to put this repository on a server in Reykjavik Iceland where the
[22:11.240 --> 22:16.440]  government here can't get to it and can't break into it. Iceland has passed a
[22:16.440 --> 22:23.040]  lot of new laws they're trying to establish e-commerce as their primary
[22:23.040 --> 22:28.160]  source of gross revenue in the country and they've passed some really strict
[22:28.160 --> 22:33.760]  laws against anyone interfering with their commerce so we chose that country
[22:33.760 --> 22:37.800]  as a place to put the reservoir to where it was out of reach the bad guys
[22:37.800 --> 22:44.160]  here if they get I'm happy with us and as a place where they can't get into our
[22:44.160 --> 22:50.520]  files and look around where we don't want them to but if you would be
[22:50.520 --> 23:01.680]  interested in posting research we will need the research ordered organized in
[23:01.680 --> 23:11.040]  files and folders if you come hard to explain how to do this in order for us
[23:11.040 --> 23:22.280]  to bring them up in an effective map we need a line to all of the files like in
[23:22.280 --> 23:31.280]  this map that I have here a lot of times I'll have nodes in the map that are
[23:31.280 --> 23:37.000]  merely directors they lead from one point to the next and don't necessarily
[23:37.000 --> 23:44.800]  have information in them but we need the information outlined and then for
[23:44.800 --> 23:55.280]  every level on the the outlined structure we need a folder and unless for
[23:55.280 --> 24:02.080]  instance if we're posting statutes the statutes come up if you go on and the
[24:02.080 --> 24:07.680]  websites government websites where they post the statutes when you bring them
[24:07.680 --> 24:17.520]  up you'll get a list of all of it the article or all of the titles and then
[24:17.520 --> 24:23.000]  when you open a title you'll get a list of chapters when you open a chapter you
[24:23.000 --> 24:28.520]  get a list of sections and at some point you'll run out of those and you'll get
[24:28.520 --> 24:34.760]  a list of actual codes the way we're building this engine to hold all of the
[24:34.760 --> 24:48.080]  the codes is we will keep the titles chapters sections these are just menus
[24:48.080 --> 24:55.080]  they're just links to where the codes actually are the last one will be the
[24:55.080 --> 25:02.760]  code itself and that's on the government site that we're mapping and we're
[25:02.760 --> 25:06.880]  gonna leave that where it's at we're not going to put that on our site but what
[25:06.880 --> 25:14.080]  we need is for each title a separate folder and for each chapter in each
[25:14.080 --> 25:21.360]  title a separate folder and for each section a separate folder each one of
[25:21.360 --> 25:29.000]  those folders have one page in it and that page will have a list of all of the
[25:29.000 --> 25:34.560]  say if it's the title all of the chapters within the title and a link to
[25:34.560 --> 25:40.640]  each one and that link will go to a subfolder with a page in it and if it
[25:40.640 --> 25:45.920]  it's a chapter going to a section then the section will have a list of all of
[25:45.920 --> 25:54.560]  the codes in that section and the list of the codes will be linked to the code
[25:54.560 --> 25:59.840]  on the governmental website that way when we get to the code itself we pull it
[25:59.840 --> 26:04.200]  from the governmental website and off from ours that way we always get the
[26:04.200 --> 26:11.680]  most current and we would appreciate anyone who's willing to to help us
[26:11.680 --> 26:19.360]  build this we're in Texas and we need all the Texas codes and for whatever
[26:19.360 --> 26:25.760]  state you you're in we need the codes this way we don't need the codes
[26:25.760 --> 26:34.800]  themselves just their outlines in a set of folders past folder holding the
[26:34.800 --> 26:39.400]  reference to the statutes linked to the state sites and we'll start posting
[26:39.400 --> 26:46.720]  these up in a map that will give you access to every code in the country so
[26:46.720 --> 26:52.640]  anybody who's willing to participate and contribute we would greatly appreciate
[26:52.640 --> 27:02.200]  it okay I'm going to go to Imran Imran in Arizona hello and what do you have
[27:02.200 --> 27:08.680]  for us tonight yes I was calling because a few weeks ago I called into your show
[27:08.680 --> 27:16.560]  in regards to approaching a grand jury directly and let me see you asked
[27:16.560 --> 27:20.720]  specifically which grand jury I was going to and I told you the federal grand jury
[27:20.720 --> 27:28.560]  and the federal grand jury you advised me to send in my complaint certified mail
[27:28.560 --> 27:36.920]  and yes did that but I never got the return receipt back and so I have a
[27:36.920 --> 27:43.040]  bunch of certified mail receipts that I went to check with the post office
[27:43.040 --> 27:47.320]  yesterday and they said that the receipts had all been signed but they can't
[27:47.320 --> 27:53.160]  explain why I never got the green return cards back with the signature so I'm
[27:53.160 --> 27:56.880]  just wondering if you have any idea of what happened like is it possible that
[27:56.880 --> 28:02.480]  the US Attorney or whatever ambushed the complaints and are hiding it from no no
[28:02.480 --> 28:10.040]  that the mail guy the mail carrier has that and even the US Attorney is not
[28:10.040 --> 28:16.440]  going to mess with the mail carrier okay but I'm trying to figure out if my
[28:16.440 --> 28:22.160]  complaints actually got before the grand jury or if they received them we know
[28:22.160 --> 28:27.520]  you can be sure they didn't get before the grand jury did you put in a cover
[28:27.520 --> 28:33.560]  letter yes I did directing asking the foreman to send that letter back to you
[28:33.560 --> 28:43.640]  yes I did yep and I have okay I give it a couple of weeks okay and you then you
[28:43.640 --> 28:49.560]  can presume that since you didn't get that letter back from the foreman of the
[28:49.560 --> 28:57.240]  grand jury that the foreman of the grand jury never saw that letter okay and it
[28:57.240 --> 29:05.480]  you did give it the address of the US Attorney no no I put US District Court
[29:05.480 --> 29:12.040]  House or US District Court District of Arizona attention grand jury foreman or
[29:12.040 --> 29:18.400]  grand jury or jury number two or grand jury number three like that so I in
[29:18.400 --> 29:24.960]  Arizona they have 23 federal grand jurors so I made 23 copies of the
[29:24.960 --> 29:34.080]  complaint and sent a certified mail to each one oh you did good I would
[29:34.080 --> 29:40.680]  suggest you go to the federal courthouse okay and find out who signed for
[29:40.680 --> 29:46.040]  those okay that that will get them real excited hang on we're about to go to
[29:46.040 --> 29:50.760]  break this is Randy Kelton Deborah Steven JD Craig rule of law radio our
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[33:31.520 --> 33:36.920]  okay we are back Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens rule our radio and we're
[33:36.920 --> 33:45.880]  talking to Imran in Arizona so you sent one to each member now you didn't get
[33:45.880 --> 33:51.120]  the green cards back they they are likely to show up okay I've had it take a
[33:51.120 --> 33:57.320]  week or two to get my green cards back okay because three weeks and my main
[33:57.320 --> 34:03.080]  concern is that the complaint never ended up before the grand jurors and
[34:03.080 --> 34:09.840]  not someone in the court or the US Attorney ambushed the complaints so and
[34:09.840 --> 34:15.560]  maybe they're sitting in the pub you can be you can be relatively certain that the
[34:15.560 --> 34:22.320]  US Attorney wound up with the complaints and most likely he'll cop to
[34:22.320 --> 34:32.600]  having them so you go to the courthouse and who to talk to I guess you talk to
[34:32.600 --> 34:41.240]  the clerk first the clerks are generally the easiest ones to talk to and ask the
[34:41.240 --> 34:49.240]  clerk where the mail room is and who receives mail in the courthouse and then
[34:49.240 --> 34:56.640]  go to the mail room and ask them what they do with certified letters to the
[34:56.640 --> 35:02.920]  grand jury okay and these guys they don't have a dog in this hunt so they
[35:02.920 --> 35:08.240]  don't care they will probably give you a good straight answer okay and most
[35:08.240 --> 35:13.880]  likely they'll tell you they give it to the US Attorney okay and then you go to
[35:13.880 --> 35:20.080]  the US Attorney and ask them and if they won't let you take any recording
[35:20.080 --> 35:30.080]  device with you take a witness with you who's taking copious notes and most
[35:30.080 --> 35:35.160]  likely the US Attorney will tell you that he examined into your accusations to
[35:35.160 --> 35:44.640]  decide to take no action and do not argue your position with the US Attorney okay I
[35:44.640 --> 35:52.200]  assure you it will do no good whatsoever besides he's just copped to about 23
[35:52.200 --> 35:59.680]  felonies so he's a felon you shouldn't be talking to him anyway then you go back
[35:59.680 --> 36:08.160]  once you find out that he did in fact get them then you go to the post office
[36:08.160 --> 36:17.080]  and file 23 allegations of tampering US mail and you go back you create a set of
[36:17.080 --> 36:21.840]  complaints against the US Attorney for tampering with government document and
[36:21.840 --> 36:29.440]  send those to a federal district judge who just happens to be a magistrate
[36:29.440 --> 36:36.320]  they tend to forget that but make sure to verify it and send them to the
[36:36.320 --> 36:44.280]  district judge and that will be your next step along the line okay and you'll
[36:44.280 --> 36:49.920]  find that they start to call you sir before very long one thing to keep in
[36:49.920 --> 37:02.680]  mind if the US Attorney a magistrate or one of those US martial bailiffs says
[37:02.680 --> 37:09.880]  anything that you can in any way interpret as a threat even if it's
[37:09.880 --> 37:16.960]  veiled under them giving you sage advice if you are warned about what can
[37:16.960 --> 37:22.520]  happen to you for you doing this that's tampering with a witness obstruction of
[37:22.520 --> 37:30.280]  justice never tell them that just go away and prepare the complaint and then
[37:30.280 --> 37:37.480]  send that one back in and they'll get the idea that everything they do makes
[37:37.480 --> 37:44.560]  things worse for them and this is how we create the politics and I suggest you
[37:44.560 --> 37:50.480]  get complaints to the highest level judge you can as quick as you can because
[37:50.480 --> 37:55.600]  once you follow the high-level judge then if a bailiff says something you
[37:55.600 --> 38:01.000]  don't like you accuse the judge of sending the bailiff to harass you and
[38:01.000 --> 38:05.320]  you file tampering with a witness obstruction of justice against the
[38:05.320 --> 38:11.000]  judge for something the bailiff did and the judge is not going to be a happy
[38:11.000 --> 38:20.200]  camper okay and let me see when if a US Attorney interferes you mentioned 23
[38:20.200 --> 38:24.680]  sonies what I imagine someone would be what jury tampering obstruction of
[38:24.680 --> 38:31.160]  justice and this is this is tampering with a government document okay in that
[38:31.160 --> 38:37.920]  he secreted a government document form from the person or department it was
[38:37.920 --> 38:47.160]  directed to that's a very pointed and very specific allegation tampering with
[38:47.160 --> 38:55.640]  a witness can be more the objective what actually amounts to tampering with
[38:55.640 --> 39:00.080]  the witness tampering government document in this case is not subjective
[39:00.080 --> 39:09.560]  in the least the mail was directed to to these individuals he interfered with
[39:09.560 --> 39:16.760]  it inside that mail were government documents directed to a grand jury he
[39:16.760 --> 39:23.000]  secreted them from the grand jury that's very clear now now he's going to
[39:23.000 --> 39:30.960]  claim somehow that he has some kind of authority and you're not going to care
[39:30.960 --> 39:40.160]  about that show it to me I don't see it we have Williams of E us 1970 case where
[39:40.160 --> 39:49.040]  Scalia said that although the district court consecrates the grand jury once
[39:49.040 --> 39:53.960]  the grand jury is impaneled it is essentially a fourth branch of
[39:53.960 --> 40:01.200]  government over which neither the judiciary nor the executive branch has
[40:01.200 --> 40:16.440]  any authority so we don't expect to change the world with this but if we're
[40:16.440 --> 40:20.520]  going to get this fixed we need to create a little political pressure against
[40:20.520 --> 40:26.880]  discuss this US attorney is going to be real unhappy with someone out there
[40:26.880 --> 40:32.160]  filing complaints against him these are marks that will go in his records and
[40:32.160 --> 40:39.000]  stay there forever and what he is likely to do is send a bunch of these brown
[40:39.000 --> 40:48.560]  shirt FBI agents out to talk to you about it if they don't investigate the
[40:48.560 --> 40:58.960]  accusation but rather talk about the fact that you filed the complaints if they
[40:58.960 --> 41:04.760]  give you any indication that they are not pleased with your file in those
[41:04.760 --> 41:14.360]  complaints I suggest you don't 9-1-1 because these guys got guns and they're
[41:14.360 --> 41:20.920]  loaded and they feel like they can pull those guns and use those guns so you
[41:20.920 --> 41:25.280]  certainly can't argue with these guys and if a guy with a loaded pistol comes
[41:25.280 --> 41:34.520]  out and makes a direct threat or even a veiled threat within any state why that's
[41:34.520 --> 41:42.880]  a state crime you call the sheriff over that one and good chance you give the
[41:42.880 --> 41:50.440]  sheriff a shot at the feds he's going to appreciate you for that because still
[41:50.440 --> 41:56.800]  the feds come in and treat the locals like Aaron stepchildren and if these
[41:56.800 --> 42:02.160]  feds come out you know they have to be really really careful and they're not
[42:02.160 --> 42:08.640]  used to someone who is sharp shooting them who knows the law and who's ready
[42:08.640 --> 42:15.120]  to use it even against them when they violate it and it won't take a long to
[42:15.120 --> 42:20.960]  figure out that everything they do with you is going to make things worse and
[42:20.960 --> 42:28.360]  we're hoping that you know one person may not get it done I did this to Tarrant
[42:28.360 --> 42:35.960]  County here in Texas about 10 years ago wound up filing over 50 criminal
[42:35.960 --> 42:44.480]  complaints I came back recently and the head of the civil section of the
[42:44.480 --> 42:50.240]  district attorney's office and diamond was still there and she knew exactly who
[42:50.240 --> 42:55.480]  I was when I came back and when I came back this time the district attorney
[42:55.480 --> 42:59.920]  agreed to stand aside and let me go straight to the grand jury they did not
[42:59.920 --> 43:06.160]  want to get in that fight again Johnson County Texas you go to the grand jury
[43:06.160 --> 43:09.240]  with criminal complaints against the public official they will get out of
[43:09.240 --> 43:14.920]  your way because I hammered them there and we've had other people hammer them
[43:14.920 --> 43:19.640]  though it's actually getting traction it'll take more than just one so don't
[43:19.640 --> 43:26.600]  expect magic to happen but you'll actually get to have a lot of fun
[43:26.600 --> 43:34.200]  okay do you have time for an additional question or are you busy yes hang on we
[43:34.200 --> 43:38.840]  will pick you up when you come back on the other side this is Randy Kelton
[43:38.840 --> 43:45.600]  Debra Stephens Eddie Craig rule our radio our calling number 512 646 1984
[43:45.600 --> 43:50.400]  we'll have the phones open for the rest of the night so if you have a question
[43:50.400 --> 43:58.040]  or comment give us a call we'll be taking all comers we'll be right back
[44:00.760 --> 44:06.400]  mr. president members of Congress you've been making a lot of noise about
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[44:18.400 --> 44:24.320]  that colony you know what the people said come and take it because they were
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[46:25.160 --> 46:41.120]  okay we are back Randy Kelton Debra Stevens rule of law radio and we're
[46:41.120 --> 46:46.560]  talking to emeron in Arizona okay emeron you had another question yes it's
[46:46.560 --> 46:52.120]  still relating kind of to the same issue but the basically the complaint was
[46:52.120 --> 46:59.440]  for criminal civil rights violations that the county attorney did against me so
[46:59.440 --> 47:05.120]  that's why I went to the to the federal grand jurors but then I was also planning
[47:05.120 --> 47:12.440]  on suing Maricopa County and the prosecutors to which America but County
[47:12.440 --> 47:17.520]  deputy attorney on the civil side contacted me and actually we had a
[47:17.520 --> 47:20.720]  conversation and I emailed you the conversation I don't know if you had a
[47:20.720 --> 47:28.840]  chance to hear it or not but basically what this civil this deputy attorney on
[47:28.840 --> 47:34.680]  the sit on this county civil side is saying is that he just flat-out said
[47:34.680 --> 47:39.920]  that judges and prosecutors have absolute immunity and I told them that
[47:39.920 --> 47:45.120]  what judges don't have absolute immunity they don't have absolute immunity if
[47:45.120 --> 47:50.760]  jurisdiction was never established which you know there's case on that but I
[47:50.760 --> 47:57.480]  couldn't seem to find anything that goes against prosecutorial immunity okay he
[47:57.480 --> 48:05.280]  lied to you okay so what they have nobody is immune from the criminal
[48:05.280 --> 48:11.200]  loss period I'm gonna file this case in US District Court under civil rights
[48:11.200 --> 48:15.800]  complaint what are my counter arguments going to be when they try to say
[48:15.800 --> 48:27.920]  prosecutorial immunity that there is none and show me the case law show me the
[48:27.920 --> 48:34.640]  case law that allows a prosecutor to commit crimes okay all the case law
[48:34.640 --> 48:41.560]  they'll show you will be immunity from civil prosecute civil litigation not
[48:41.560 --> 48:48.920]  from criminal prosecution okay there is none and there never will be but this
[48:48.920 --> 48:55.080]  would actually be a civil case though so wouldn't they be able to use that civil
[48:55.240 --> 49:00.120]  the case law that shows that they know that yeah they will claim absolute
[49:00.120 --> 49:08.080]  immunity from civil litigation except that when you're suing the state in the
[49:08.080 --> 49:17.600]  Fed then you have Brady to deal with not Brady lost it the one
[49:17.600 --> 49:20.000]  Bivens sorry talk about Bivens
[49:20.000 --> 49:24.200]  Bivens Bivens I'm sorry I wanted to say him with a patchman but in the patchman
[49:24.200 --> 49:29.720]  what's something else yeah Bivens Bivens makes them doable but they will for the
[49:29.720 --> 49:38.680]  most part claim immunity unless you claim a breach of a ministerial duty they'll
[49:38.680 --> 49:46.720]  they'll claim it anyway they'll claim absolute immunity no matter what but the
[49:46.720 --> 49:53.160]  only thing that would give you a claim that could stand would be a claim of a
[49:53.160 --> 50:01.480]  breach of a ministerial duty okay and do you have any examples of those well you
[50:01.480 --> 50:08.720]  know like here in Texas we have article 2.03 code of criminal procedure and under
[50:08.720 --> 50:14.520]  the code of criminal procedure under duties of officers the first officer
[50:14.520 --> 50:20.080]  they address prosecuting attorney 201 says shall be primary duties prosecuting
[50:20.080 --> 50:24.080]  attorney not to scare conviction but to ensure this justice is served you shall
[50:24.080 --> 50:27.480]  not secret witnesses or evidence show the innocence of cues to mitigate the
[50:27.480 --> 50:32.160]  guilt of the accused well that's nice I minded rhetoric but really doesn't tell
[50:32.160 --> 50:37.720]  him to do anything in particular article 2 and they added a whole bunch of
[50:37.720 --> 50:45.600]  sub articles to that all addresses what kind of issues the district attorney and
[50:45.600 --> 50:53.920]  county attorney will handle civil and criminal issues 2.03 the very first one
[50:53.920 --> 51:00.960]  that instructs the prosecutor to do a specific thing it says when prosecuting
[51:00.960 --> 51:04.880]  attorneys made known in any manner the public official has violated a law
[51:04.880 --> 51:08.320]  relating to his office he shall reduce complaint and information spent at the
[51:08.320 --> 51:14.640]  grand jury now that is a paraphrase it's a longer than that but it's clear when a
[51:14.640 --> 51:19.320]  prosecuting attorney is made known in any matter that a public official has
[51:19.320 --> 51:29.320]  violated a law he it says a law not a felony or misdemeanor a law they must
[51:29.320 --> 51:33.800]  present it to the grand jury and that was because the prosecutor should not be
[51:33.800 --> 51:39.360]  put in a position to decide whether or not to prosecute somebody works with
[51:39.360 --> 51:44.560]  they should it's an untenable position and the legislature took him out of that
[51:44.560 --> 51:53.480]  position they said no discretion you must do this thing if they fail to do this
[51:53.480 --> 52:01.480]  thing that is a ministerial act because it is an act over which the officer has
[52:01.480 --> 52:09.840]  no discretion so that you get they have no immunity for now the courts are
[52:09.840 --> 52:17.240]  corrupt they're gonna try they're gonna ground immunity for everything and in
[52:17.240 --> 52:24.600]  order to get that fixed we need a specific statute that says a prosecuting
[52:24.600 --> 52:33.040]  attorney may not be granted immunity for breaches of a ministerial duty a
[52:33.040 --> 52:44.200]  prosecutor should have broad leverage a broad the way to prosecute you know
[52:44.200 --> 52:49.000]  seems like they're really really the bad guys when they're coming after us but
[52:49.000 --> 52:54.880]  when they got a child molester or mass murder we need to give him a little lee
[52:54.880 --> 53:02.160]  way to get it done but only a little leeway not absolute immunity no one
[53:02.160 --> 53:07.440]  should have absolute immunity but wouldn't that isn't their current system
[53:07.440 --> 53:12.560]  just basically proof that the people don't have control over anything because
[53:12.560 --> 53:18.760]  basically what what they're saying is that we the judges and the prosecutors
[53:18.760 --> 53:25.240]  are members of this society and we created this case law which makes us
[53:25.240 --> 53:33.960]  immune therefore where you know we're kind of that's exactly the problem and
[53:33.960 --> 53:39.960]  the problem is is they're trying to convince everybody that they've created
[53:39.960 --> 53:45.280]  case law that gives them immunity from absolute immunity and they've done no
[53:45.280 --> 53:51.360]  such thing it did not dare because they try that then they'll get the
[53:51.360 --> 53:56.760]  legislature all over them the reason they can't and the reason they won't is
[53:56.760 --> 54:04.240]  they're all corrupt and when you're in a pool with a bunch of other fishes and
[54:04.240 --> 54:11.680]  all those fishes got sharp teeth you got to have a way to protect yourself from
[54:11.680 --> 54:19.800]  them their problem is is when they create laws to protect themselves from
[54:19.800 --> 54:28.040]  fellow corrupt officials that you and I get to use those laws as well so that's
[54:28.040 --> 54:33.480]  a problem they haven't been able to overcome yet so we have lots of tools
[54:33.480 --> 54:38.520]  we can use they've done everything they can to convince us that we don't have
[54:38.520 --> 54:45.760]  these tools and you are the one thing they fear the most and other than
[54:45.760 --> 54:51.880]  if you have to know any other case law that that can verify that a
[54:51.880 --> 54:56.920]  prosecutor doesn't have immunity or that they can be sued actually I don't have
[54:56.920 --> 55:05.640]  it in my head that has never come an issue because I've never heard of in
[55:05.640 --> 55:13.120]  court of a prosecutor claiming he had immunity from criminal prosecution
[55:13.120 --> 55:17.600]  they've never seen any case law on that because they just did not claim it because
[55:17.600 --> 55:24.360]  it's absurd it's absolutely absurd okay the whole notion is absurd so you
[55:24.360 --> 55:30.240]  probably won't find case law on it case law has to get to the higher courts to
[55:30.240 --> 55:36.320]  get the courts to make a decision on a point of law this is so ludicrous it
[55:36.320 --> 55:42.640]  never get there okay well I went ahead and sent you that email with the case law
[55:42.640 --> 55:50.160]  that the deputy Kerry attorney sent me along with our audio clip so yeah you
[55:50.160 --> 55:53.720]  can listen to it okay oh yeah I would like to hear that we may play it on the
[55:53.720 --> 56:00.240]  air that would be great fun I mean email I get a we could probably figure some
[56:00.240 --> 56:07.160]  way to play it on there too we played on there and get everybody to that here's
[56:07.160 --> 56:11.200]  it to file a complaint against him and a bar grievance that'll get his
[56:11.200 --> 56:17.840]  attention oh that's another thing is I took it a step further I contacted the
[56:17.840 --> 56:22.960]  state bar of Arizona and listed all these county prosecutors and commissioners
[56:22.960 --> 56:28.960]  that violated my rights and I took it to a state bar investigator and told them
[56:28.960 --> 56:34.600]  that I wanted to open up an investigation and then he sent me a letter back is
[56:34.600 --> 56:39.800]  you know basically kind of dance around the issue so I used his letter and then
[56:39.800 --> 56:46.680]  I sent a letter and a copy of his letter and sent it to each Arizona Supreme
[56:46.680 --> 56:51.200]  Court justice saying that I want to I want to borrow ethics investigation to
[56:51.200 --> 56:58.160]  open up on these people oh wonderful this is this is what they hate you create
[56:58.160 --> 57:03.240]  politics when you get all of these justices asking the prosecutor what is
[57:03.240 --> 57:08.680]  going on here why do I have people hounding me because of you this creates
[57:08.680 --> 57:13.360]  the kind of pressure that we need they're not going to want this to happen
[57:13.360 --> 57:18.640]  again they're not going to want to have to answer to these judges again about
[57:18.640 --> 57:28.080]  their behavior because they know big fish eat little fish and relative to
[57:28.080 --> 57:35.320]  those judges they these guys are very little fish so you make it real dangerous
[57:35.320 --> 57:41.720]  in the pool they're swimming around in I told a judge once when I gave him
[57:41.720 --> 57:46.880]  criminal complaints the first day he was appointed to office just before him had
[57:46.880 --> 57:51.440]  retired and I handed him these he said well Mr. Kelton these are criminal
[57:51.440 --> 57:55.600]  complaints as yes as a matter of fact they are he said you give me these on my
[57:55.600 --> 58:01.480]  first day in office and they're against but other judges I said well yeah judge
[58:01.480 --> 58:06.360]  welcome to the deep end of the pool
[58:06.600 --> 58:12.840]  somehow he didn't appreciate the humor in that quite as much as I did but we
[58:12.840 --> 58:17.160]  need to welcome these guys to the deep end of the pool and let them know who
[58:17.160 --> 58:21.920]  the baddest motor school building is and that's the private knowledgeable
[58:21.920 --> 58:27.000]  citizen thank you Imran we've got a bunch of
[58:27.000 --> 58:30.760]  calls stacking up we will pick them up on the other side we're going to our
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[01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:46.320]  news in Israeli soldier has sparked outrage by posting a photograph
[01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:49.960]  appearing to show the back of a Palestinian boys head in the crosshairs
[01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:54.120]  of his sniper rifle on a social networking site the context of the
[01:00:54.120 --> 01:00:59.600]  picture posted on the personal Instagram side of more of Starvarsky 20 could
[01:00:59.600 --> 01:01:03.960]  not be verified but the aggressive message is clear the minarets and Arabic
[01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:07.680]  architecture of the village captured in the background suggests the boy in the
[01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:13.280]  town or Palestinian of Starvarsky is an Israeli soldier in a sniper unit the
[01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.520]  Israeli military said the soldiers commanders were investigating the
[01:01:16.520 --> 01:01:20.520]  incident his actions are quote not in accordance with the spirit of the
[01:01:20.520 --> 01:01:26.200]  Israeli Defense Forces or its values a spokesperson said a Missouri lawmaker is
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[01:03:36.400 --> 01:04:01.520]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rue Laud Radio, and I'd like to, before we
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[01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:42.600]  Debra's been looking at the equipment we need, and we're not quite where we need to
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[01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:55.720]  keep crashing out like I did earlier today. Okay, now we're going to go to Kevin in Connecticut.
[01:04:55.720 --> 01:05:05.040]  Hello, look, Kevin. Hello, yes, I had a question about an initial first probate hearing, which
[01:05:05.040 --> 01:05:11.480]  involved a matter of a competency evaluation that was ordered, but refused by my brother,
[01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:16.240]  and which led to them putting them in an institution where he keeps refusing this
[01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:22.080]  competency, and now they're trying to, for a limited conservatorship, and as I understand it,
[01:05:22.080 --> 01:05:27.840]  that will enact this dead man's clause, which will make him dead in the eyes of the law. Now,
[01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:31.320]  in order for them to proceed on this probate hearing like your former colloid was saying,
[01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:39.120]  it's all about jurisdiction. They have two criteria. They need him to waive his personal
[01:05:39.120 --> 01:05:45.720]  jurisdiction, and they need to obtain subject matter jurisdiction. Can you speak to personal
[01:05:45.720 --> 01:05:51.440]  jurisdiction, how to prevent them from doing that, and what is the difference between the
[01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:58.280]  personal and private jurisdiction? Well, okay, there is no personal and private,
[01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:08.640]  there's not a designation of private jurisdiction. There is subject matter and in personum. Subject
[01:06:08.640 --> 01:06:17.480]  matter means that the judge has the power to rule over this particular issue. For instance,
[01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:25.520]  in an interdiction hearing, the justice of the peace has exclusive jurisdiction, subject matter
[01:06:25.520 --> 01:06:34.800]  jurisdiction, to hear an unlawful detainer complaint. He's the only one that has subject
[01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:43.120]  matter jurisdiction to hear that, but he has in personum jurisdiction only over those individuals
[01:06:43.120 --> 01:06:49.840]  who reside within the boundaries of the precinct for which he is the justice of the peace.
[01:06:49.840 --> 01:07:01.240]  Outside, while he has subject matter jurisdiction over evictions, outside of his precinct, if you
[01:07:01.240 --> 01:07:09.680]  are outside the precinct, then he has no jurisdiction over you, the person. So, the
[01:07:09.680 --> 01:07:17.960]  in personum jurisdiction can get somewhat complex. What is the nature of the accusation
[01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:24.000]  against your brother? Is it criminal or civil? Yeah, it is a few misdemeanors and a couple
[01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:34.400]  of failure two appears. Oh, okay. So, this is a common strategy when you fight for your
[01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:46.560]  rights. If you don't do it exactly the way they want you to, then they request a evaluation.
[01:07:46.560 --> 01:07:55.480]  I would suggest that you go pull down the standards for, do they want to use a psychiatrist
[01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:06.120]  or a psychologist? I believe it was a psychologist is what it was. They had some, he had refused
[01:08:06.120 --> 01:08:11.520]  and how they were able to put him in some sort of institution was that somebody... Okay,
[01:08:11.520 --> 01:08:21.120]  well, we've been over that a hundred times. We know this is a tactic the judge uses. The
[01:08:21.120 --> 01:08:27.680]  psychologist cannot determine whether he's competent or not. That's a judicial determination.
[01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:36.040]  But he needs a positive ruling by the psychologist. So, what I suggest is pull down the Connecticut
[01:08:36.040 --> 01:08:46.120]  state standards for their licensed professional psychologists. They'll have a set of standards
[01:08:46.120 --> 01:08:54.720]  and make up a checklist of all of the things that the psychologist is supposed to do and
[01:08:54.720 --> 01:09:03.520]  get this to your brother and have him take the exam under protest and sit there with
[01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:13.320]  that checklist. Say, welcome to the deep end of the pool, Bubba. I have a friend who was
[01:09:13.320 --> 01:09:20.200]  a psychologist and he had someone file a complaint against him who was never even a patient.
[01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:27.160]  He was terrified that they were going to end his practice. For these guys, a complaint
[01:09:27.160 --> 01:09:36.480]  is a really big deal. So, if he goes in with a checklist of the standards for the psychologist,
[01:09:36.480 --> 01:09:46.200]  the psychologist is not going to be a happy camper. In order, you know, the guy is in
[01:09:46.200 --> 01:09:54.040]  jail. He needs to get out of jail. So, you might look at hiring an outside evaluator
[01:09:54.040 --> 01:10:04.000]  to evaluate him. They cannot prevent an outside professional from seeing him.
[01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:10.880]  Right. Now, in lieu of that, this hearing was going to be taking place pretty soon.
[01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:15.040]  What I was trying to do was, you know, tomorrow I'm getting a durable power of attorney and
[01:10:15.040 --> 01:10:20.640]  a living will signed. But as speaking on this dead man's cause, I don't know if you're
[01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:25.480]  familiar. You probably are. You're familiar with everything. How was that?
[01:10:25.480 --> 01:10:28.320]  Actually, no, I'm not familiar with that at all.
[01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:33.240]  Oh, well, it's a great outrage going on, not only against young people but also at the
[01:10:33.240 --> 01:10:39.200]  elderly, where they come in and they apply for this conservatorship. They don't even
[01:10:39.200 --> 01:10:44.560]  know these people and they take them. And because they're incapacitated, the dead man's
[01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:49.760]  cause comes in and it literally says, you're dead in the eyes of the law. You can't bring
[01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:50.760]  any...
[01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:56.720]  That is, that goes right to constitution. That's outlawry.
[01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:02.280]  Yeah. And it's happening. There's YouTube videos talking about it. I think it was on
[01:11:02.280 --> 01:11:08.320]  Jeff Rintz's show, Minutemen, something like this. And when you hear the horror story,
[01:11:08.320 --> 01:11:11.480]  this woman has stopped elder abuse or something like this website.
[01:11:11.480 --> 01:11:17.240]  Okay, hold on, hold on. If they're doing this to your brother, then you have reason to believe
[01:11:17.240 --> 01:11:23.440]  that they're trying to set him up to set him outside the law. You should start filing criminal
[01:11:23.440 --> 01:11:25.520]  charges against the judge and the prosecutors.
[01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:31.240]  Oh, yeah. I was listening intently on your previous call. I've been going to all your
[01:11:31.240 --> 01:11:32.520]  offices. Okay.
[01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:41.800]  If you haven't heard this before, it's unlikely that you'll be actually be able to get anyone
[01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:53.000]  actually prosecuted. However, their problem is, and this is a quote from one of a friend
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:12:02.800]  of mine who's a prosecuting attorney. He said, those damn grand jurors, you never know what
[01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:03.800]  they're going to do.
[01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:04.800]  I believe...
[01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:10.280]  So these guys are sitting there thinking, oh, well, they'll take care of me. My buddies
[01:12:10.280 --> 01:12:18.560]  will protect me. But the problem is, is that's the grand jury of your peers, not their peers.
[01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:22.080]  And big fish eat little fish.
[01:12:22.080 --> 01:12:27.680]  If you can cause enough big fish, enough trouble, they're going to go down and eat the little
[01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:31.280]  fish to get you to go away and leave them alone.
[01:12:31.280 --> 01:12:32.280]  Right.
[01:12:32.280 --> 01:12:38.440]  So we need more people expressing this particular strategy. You might petition to have the judge
[01:12:38.440 --> 01:12:40.200]  take us a psyche valve.
[01:12:40.200 --> 01:12:42.400]  Ah, very good.
[01:12:42.400 --> 01:12:43.400]  I love it.
[01:12:43.400 --> 01:12:48.440]  Eustace Mullins, actually, this rings true because he said the same thing. I'm sure you're
[01:12:48.440 --> 01:12:54.400]  familiar with him. And he said the same thing about a friend of his saying the same thing
[01:12:54.400 --> 01:13:00.040]  of cursing the grand jury and whatnot. But I appreciate... Yeah, you should look into
[01:13:00.040 --> 01:13:05.320]  the dead man's closet. You should look into... There's a Jeff Rentshaw with an elderly woman
[01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:07.320]  who's talking about how they...
[01:13:07.320 --> 01:13:12.240]  That is interesting. I have a friend, Dan, in Connecticut. I need to talk to him about
[01:13:12.240 --> 01:13:14.640]  that. I'm sure he'll be knowledgeable about that.
[01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:19.480]  Yeah. And speaking of that, on one of your old shows, someone also called in for Dan
[01:13:19.480 --> 01:13:27.320]  and you gave the email for Dan from Connecticut, a headline copy at gmail.com. Is that correct
[01:13:27.320 --> 01:13:29.920]  or did I have that right?
[01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:36.160]  I don't remember. And I'd have to look it up in my email list. I don't remember if you
[01:13:36.160 --> 01:13:44.520]  would like. If that doesn't work for you, send me an email at randy at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:47.800]  And I will send you back his email.
[01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:56.960]  Well, thank you very much, sir. And one other question was this whole notion of stating
[01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:03.760]  myself as a man, a living flesh human being, an affidavit of truth, saying that I wasn't
[01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:13.000]  lost percent of those 1666 rules. I wasn't lost. I wasn't dead. I'm not a piece of channel
[01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:17.760]  property. I'm not an animal. I have a soul. And all these things are a statement of truth
[01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:25.720]  and affidavit of truth. Do you feel that that's the wrong pursuit or way to go about it?
[01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:27.720]  I wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole.
[01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:29.720]  You wouldn't touch that? Okay.
[01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:37.000]  Never would. I don't want to do anything to get the court to have a reason to believe
[01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:41.320]  that I'm anything other than smarter than their lawyer.
[01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:46.840]  What about a citizen claiming you're a citizen or claiming you're not a citizen rather and
[01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:51.000]  claiming you don't reside, you only dwell on your own body and things of that nature?
[01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:57.000]  Oh, that's nonsense. You are what you are, regardless of what you claim as state. You
[01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:02.400]  don't have to say you are a certain thing to be that thing.
[01:15:02.400 --> 01:15:10.840]  That's all of just about your saber rattling. And judges, even the most honest and forthright
[01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:20.280]  judge, you can prejudice him. You can taint his decision making by the things you say
[01:15:20.280 --> 01:15:25.040]  and do, even if he didn't mean to. You know, if the judge doesn't mean to be tainted by
[01:15:25.040 --> 01:15:33.280]  it, he is. So, you know, it's okay to kick the judge in his professional teeth as long
[01:15:33.280 --> 01:15:36.680]  as you do it very professionally.
[01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:45.640]  Bring the law to them exactly the way they use it. And they will treat you. You won't
[01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:53.600]  accidentally trigger unreasonable biases. So, that's why I never use those things, because
[01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:54.600]  they mean nothing.
[01:15:54.600 --> 01:16:00.160]  Right. But when I talk into them, can I at least state that, you know, I'm Kevin so
[01:16:00.160 --> 01:16:06.080]  and so and I have all rights reserved and I'm speaking in the common man's tongue, common
[01:16:06.080 --> 01:16:12.080]  English, I'm not speaking in legalese so that I can prevent any miscommunication, you know.
[01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:15.080]  Yeah, you can always ask for an interpreter.
[01:16:15.080 --> 01:16:16.080]  Really?
[01:16:16.080 --> 01:16:21.480]  And what, yeah, we had a guy in Illinois in the federal court asked for an interpreter
[01:16:21.480 --> 01:16:25.080]  to interpret the lease and they got him one.
[01:16:25.080 --> 01:16:26.280]  Wow.
[01:16:26.280 --> 01:16:36.400]  What you can do is if a prosecutor uses a term and you're not certain exactly what that
[01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:41.920]  means, you can ask. Ask the prosecutor to define the term. Or you're using that in its
[01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:49.960]  common usage or you're using it in its legal usage. Define it. That'll make him crazy and
[01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:53.840]  put him off his game. Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Derby Stevens, Eddie Craig, the
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[01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:57.600]  According to your note, I confused you.
[01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:01.600]  Yeah, that's actually not what I'm calling in about.
[01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:05.600]  You asked exactly the right question.
[01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:09.600]  John just went to a
[01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:13.600]  unlawful detainer hearing and he was saying that
[01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:17.600]  the fact that I said that the judge had exclusive
[01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:21.600]  jurisdiction over an unlawful detainer hearing,
[01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:25.600]  we filed a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.600]  And our challenge was that
[01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:33.600]  the foreclosure was insufficient. There was fraudulent.
[01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:37.600]  The purchaser was not a bona fide purchaser
[01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:41.600]  and therefore lacked standing to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction
[01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:45.600]  to court.
[01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:49.600]  So if the plaintiff had of had standing
[01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:53.600]  and he could have invoked the subject matter jurisdiction and the judge
[01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:57.600]  would have had exclusive jurisdiction. But he didn't have jurisdiction
[01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:01.600]  for two reasons. One, we maintained that the
[01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.600]  plaintiff lacked standing in two
[01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:09.600]  rechallenged jurisdiction. Once jurisdiction
[01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:13.600]  is challenged, it must be proven, it may not be presumed.
[01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:17.600]  Okay, you had a question that wasn't that question.
[01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:21.600]  Yeah, well what you just said actually makes sense because
[01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:25.600]  he made absolutely no effort to prove jurisdiction.
[01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:29.600]  The plaintiff's attorney made no effort. The judge just very dismissively said
[01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:33.600]  and there was a notice of removal to federal court.
[01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:37.600]  He was very dismissive and very nonchalant and saying
[01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:41.600]  federal court's not going to have any jurisdiction over this. So that makes sense.
[01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.600]  What I called in about was to offer some information
[01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:49.600]  about your previous caller that was
[01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:53.600]  talking about the judicial immunity.
[01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:57.600]  I think it was two callers back.
[01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:01.600]  I have found a ton of Texas case law at least
[01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:05.600]  and I've seen similar case law in just about every state
[01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:09.600]  that talks about judicial immunity. And even in Texas we have
[01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:13.600]  case law here that goes so far as to say that judges have
[01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:17.600]  judicial immunity for their acts even if they're malicious.
[01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.600]  But the key word there is judicial. A lot of people see
[01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.600]  the term judicial immunity and they think that it just generally is a
[01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:29.600]  blanket immunity that is applied to a judge. But I've really
[01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:33.600]  dug into this issue and I found a lot of case law and a lot of references
[01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:37.600]  in Texas jurisprudence and American jurisprudence that talk about
[01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:41.600]  what judicial immunity is. And it's
[01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:45.600]  the capacity that the judge is acting in.
[01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:49.600]  There is a distinction between ministerial
[01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:53.600]  and judicial immunity. And where the law
[01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:57.600]  prescribes and defines duties to be performed
[01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:01.600]  with such precision and certainty as to leave nothing to the exercise of
[01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:05.600]  discretion or judgment, the act is ministerial.
[01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:09.600]  If a judge is acting on his own
[01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:13.600]  judging through judicial discretion, then he's acting in a judicial
[01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:17.600]  capacity. And the case law and all of the law references are very, very
[01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:21.600]  clear. If a judge is acting judicially, he has
[01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:25.600]  immunity. If he is acting ministerially, he has absolutely no
[01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:29.600]  immunity from suit. And as you've said before, in no case
[01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:33.600]  do any of them have any immunity from criminal charges.
[01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:37.600]  Yes, because the requirement
[01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:41.600]  by law is ministerial.
[01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:45.600]  Not something over which he has discretion.
[01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:49.600]  Yes, the way it's worded in a lot of references
[01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:53.600]  that I've seen is when the judge is following a line
[01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:57.600]  of conduct marked so clearly for him that he
[01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:01.600]  has no choice but to follow it and there's no room
[01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:05.600]  left for the exercise of discretion, it is a ministerial act
[01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:09.600]  and he has absolutely zero immunity for
[01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:13.600]  the past judges before. But is this a judicial or administrative
[01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:17.600]  proceeding? What capacity are you acting? And I had one judge
[01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:21.600]  try to play, you know, and I guess he was trying to test me and he says, well,
[01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:25.600]  what's the difference? And I said, well, if you're acting judicially, you're acting
[01:24:25.600 --> 01:24:29.600]  on your oath and you're exercising true judicial discretion
[01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:33.600]  and if you're acting ministerially or administratively
[01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:37.600]  then you have a line of conduct marked out for you so clearly that you have no choice but to follow
[01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:41.600]  it and you're not acting on your oath. And
[01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:45.600]  I kind of paused for a minute and I said, oh, and there's also the issue of, you know, if you're
[01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.600]  acting judicially you have immunity whereas otherwise you don't. And he wasn't
[01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:53.600]  very happy with that. So I would submit to your previous caller
[01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:57.600]  and anyone else who's researching this issue, when you see
[01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:01.600]  judicial immunity in case law, don't just assume that
[01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:05.600]  judicial means judge. It's really need to read into it a lot
[01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:09.600]  further than that. And I'm sure, like I said, there's a ton of references on
[01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:13.600]  this in Texas and I've seen quite a few in other states. I'm pretty sure the same
[01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:17.600]  applies at the federal level. So that may or may not
[01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:21.600]  help your previous caller, but I just wanted to put it out there.
[01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:25.600]  Good, good. That is excellent. And that's always been my reading
[01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:29.600]  that the judge only has
[01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:33.600]  immunity from acts he
[01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:37.600]  performs within the scope of his authority.
[01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:41.600]  That's another part of the immunity issue
[01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.600]  within scope.
[01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:49.600]  And in a judicial capacity. You know, judicial,
[01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.600]  when people read judicial immunity they automatically presume that judicial
[01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:57.600]  means judge. That anything a judge does is judicial and that's not the case. It goes to the
[01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:01.600]  capacity in which he's acting. Just because he's a judge doesn't
[01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:05.600]  mean it's a judicial act. He can be a judge and be a ministerial act.
[01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:09.600]  It can be ministerial. It can also be administrative.
[01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:13.600]  When the judge acts administratively, like
[01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:17.600]  if he swats his clerk on the behind,
[01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:21.600]  there's zero immunity for that.
[01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:25.600]  If he steals money or if he
[01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:29.600]  fails to properly administer the court
[01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:33.600]  or hires the wrong contractor
[01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:37.600]  when another one gave a higher bid
[01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:41.600]  and the rules required that the other contractor
[01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.600]  be purchased, that's administrative. If he buys toilet paper
[01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:49.600]  from a company that charges more money, that's
[01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:53.600]  administrative. It's neither judicial or non-judicial.
[01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:57.600]  It's just, you know, we talk about this judge being
[01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:01.600]  the court being a corporation and the judge is the CEO.
[01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:05.600]  Well, that's when he's the CEO of the corporations when he's buying toilet paper.
[01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:09.600]  Hiring employees.
[01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:13.600]  Paying the bills of the court, administering the court itself.
[01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:17.600]  That's administrative and there's no protection from that.
[01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:21.600]  Only when he's on the bench within scope
[01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:25.600]  making judicial determinations.
[01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:29.600]  Then even if he's malicious and protected. Because
[01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.600]  what may sound malicious to me may not sound malicious to you.
[01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:37.600]  So if the judge has to worry about context
[01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:41.600]  or perspective on whether or not he's considered to be malicious
[01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:45.600]  he wouldn't be able to make good clear decisions and that's reasonable.
[01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:49.600]  Yep, I agree.
[01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:53.600]  Well, I just wanted to put that out there in case it in any way might help
[01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:57.600]  the previous caller or anyone else who's looking
[01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:01.600]  into that issue. And also if you look at cases like, I think it's Raines v. Simpson
[01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:05.600]  and a few others, they basically say that ministerial and administrative
[01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.600]  are in essence pretty much the same thing.
[01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.600]  Okay, that'll work.
[01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:17.600]  Yeah, essentially they fall into the same category.
[01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:21.600]  I brought those up because those issues will come up.
[01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:25.600]  We didn't want to think that only the only thing that's
[01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:29.600]  covered is what the judge does when he's on the bench. All of that stuff
[01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:33.600]  he does off the bench has been addressed. And for that he's
[01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:37.600]  just a CEO and he has nothing. Okay, thank you, Johnny.
[01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:41.600]  Thanks. Now we're going to go to
[01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:45.600]  Jim in Washington.
[01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:49.600]  Hello, Jim. Hello, Randy.
[01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:53.600]  I am good. I don't care what everybody says.
[01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:57.600]  I got a couple of quick questions. You guys occasionally
[01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:01.600]  talked about a case where the individual
[01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:05.600]  was awarded like $19,000 a minute for every minute he's
[01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:09.600]  incarcerated? Yeah, that's a Florida case.
[01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:13.600]  Any other time I'd have the name
[01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:17.600]  on the tip of my tongue, keep talking
[01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:21.600]  I'll remember it. Okay, well the thing I was
[01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:25.600]  curious about, could that case, could you
[01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:29.600]  convert the $19,000 a minute for inflation?
[01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:33.600]  Well, actually
[01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:37.600]  you can ask for anything you want to.
[01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:41.600]  You could adjust for inflation. You could claim
[01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:45.600]  interest on it. You can do anything you want to. The judge is going to give you
[01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:49.600]  what the judge wants to give you. The thing that will be
[01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:53.600]  something the judge will actually look at
[01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:57.600]  is what the court said. Okay, hang on, we'll be right back
[01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:01.600]  Randy Kelton, David Stevenson.
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[01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:41.600]  We are talking to Jim in Washington.
[01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:45.600]  Okay, Jim, we are back. Where were we?
[01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:49.600]  We were talking about the case with the $19,000 a minute
[01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:53.600]  award. Yes. I didn't remember it over the break.
[01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:57.600]  It sounds like the name of this
[01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:01.600]  senator that was
[01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:05.600]  killed around the country for two years.
[01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:09.600]  It'll come up. It'll come up. But yes, you can
[01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:13.600]  essentially ask for anything you want to, to judge.
[01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:17.600]  And we use that case because when you make
[01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:21.600]  a claim to the court
[01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:25.600]  when you ask for damages, you need something
[01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:29.600]  to base the damages on.
[01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:33.600]  It's really not very effective just to pull a number
[01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:37.600]  out of the clear blue sky. We work
[01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:41.600]  with foreclosure issues and put together a program
[01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.600]  where we analyze the
[01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:49.600]  difference between the note and truth and lending statement.
[01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:53.600]  And when you take this difference to lenders
[01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:57.600]  and ask them how they got the difference, they do a lot of song
[01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:01.600]  nonsense and sells it down your pants and everybody has a different
[01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:05.600]  story. That tells me
[01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:09.600]  song nonsense. For the most part, when you look at the note
[01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:13.600]  and the truth and lending statement, the truth and lending statement
[01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:17.600]  will have what they actually demand that you
[01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:21.600]  pay. The principle on that's going to be somewhat
[01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:25.600]  less than the principle on the note. And the interest is going to be
[01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:29.600]  higher. That is absolutely a
[01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:33.600]  scam. I've seen about three
[01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:37.600]  that when you did the calculation, the
[01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:41.600]  payment came out to the same. About 75%
[01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:45.600]  the payment comes out more than what you agreed to pay
[01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:49.600]  when you signed the note. And many
[01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:53.600]  of these guys do all this song and dance blah blah blah. It's
[01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:57.600]  annual percentage rate as opposed to interest rate
[01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:01.600]  and they do this semantic song and dance like there's a difference.
[01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:05.600]  And they come up with this number. Well, I don't care what they come up with.
[01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:09.600]  I don't know what the contract said. I know what I signed and agreed to
[01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:13.600]  and you charged me more than that. So we run a calculation
[01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:17.600]  on how much you would overpay over the entire period of the note and then we triple that.
[01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:21.600]  So we come into court and we make this
[01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:25.600]  claim for three times the original principle
[01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:29.600]  or three times the amount they would have
[01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:33.600]  defrauded you of. In fraud, you don't claim the amount they actually defrauded
[01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:37.600]  you of. You claim the amount they would have had their
[01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:41.600]  plan reinterferition. So we say over the period of this note
[01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:45.600]  we would have overpaid. The first one I looked at, $116,000 note
[01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:49.600]  he had overpaid it by $40,000.
[01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:53.600]  Just the difference in the payment amounts. So they
[01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:57.600]  intended to steal $40,000 from us. So we sue for three times that.
[01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:01.600]  So you get into court and you're asking for a claim because of
[01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:05.600]  an apparent error on the truth and winning statement. You're claiming more
[01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:09.600]  than the original principle. You're claiming rescission
[01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:13.600]  and tender by set off. And they're going to say, well, where the heck did you get this number?
[01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:17.600]  I'll show them where I got that number to
[01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:21.600]  do the penny. When you can do
[01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:25.600]  that, you go into court. It'll like if you use this
[01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:29.600]  case, if I can think of the name of it, you can say
[01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:33.600]  well in this case, the jury determined
[01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:37.600]  that the plaintiff
[01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:41.600]  should receive this much money for this amount of time. And that equates
[01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:45.600]  out to X number of dollars a minute. We ran a calculation on it.
[01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:49.600]  It comes up to this amount. And the other side is going to jump up and down, wave
[01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:53.600]  their arms, and have themselves a condition and say,
[01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:57.600]  you don't deserve that and blah, blah, blah. But
[01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:01.600]  in the end, the jury is only
[01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:05.600]  going to remember one number. And that's the
[01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:09.600]  number you walked in the door with if you
[01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:13.600]  can support it. If you walk into
[01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:17.600]  the door with a number you can in no way support,
[01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:21.600]  they're going to remember that and they're likely to blow you out all together.
[01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:25.600]  But if you can show how you got that number, even if the other side disagrees
[01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:29.600]  with it, they can bicker and you can haggle back and forth and knock that number
[01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:33.600]  down. But when it comes time for the jury to rule, they're going to remember
[01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:37.600]  the one you walked in the door with. So we want to get
[01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:41.600]  one as high as we can, but not this
[01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:45.600]  pie in the sky, pull $10 billion out of the sky
[01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:49.600]  and make the claim. All that will do is get the jury to
[01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:53.600]  feel like you're unreasonable and you're trying to
[01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:57.600]  hoodwink them all and they're likely to give you nothing. So does that
[01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:01.600]  all make sense? Yes it does.
[01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:05.600]  There's no hard and fast rule here.
[01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:09.600]  Another question I had, I called on the agenda 21 the other night and talked to them and I wanted to
[01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:13.600]  hear your opinion too. If you go after a public official,
[01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:17.600]  are you able to sue as well as go after their bond?
[01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:21.600]  Oh, okay, going after their bond
[01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:25.600]  is a suit.
[01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:29.600]  Their bond is insurance. What I'm asking is if you go
[01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:33.600]  after them personally in a lawsuit and professionally in a lawsuit, do you
[01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:37.600]  still have the ability to go after their bond? No.
[01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:41.600]  The bond indemnifies them against the claim you would make in the
[01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:45.600]  suit. Now since the
[01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:49.600]  bonding company bonds them, you can go after the bonding company
[01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:53.600]  directly. But if you do, that's your claim
[01:39:53.600 --> 01:39:57.600]  and if your claim is greater than the amount
[01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:01.600]  that you win from the bonding company, now
[01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:05.600]  if you settle with the bonding company, you write off your claim.
[01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:09.600]  But if you get a claim against the bonding company
[01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:13.600]  and your claim is higher than the amount you get,
[01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:17.600]  then you can still come back after the judge for the difference.
[01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:21.600]  But as
[01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:25.600]  to them being separate, no they're not separate.
[01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:29.600]  Okay, alright. It's just like
[01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:33.600]  if you've got full coverage on your car and somebody wrecks into it,
[01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:37.600]  the insurance pays you off. You can't go get the other guy to pay
[01:40:37.600 --> 01:40:41.600]  you off again because you've been made whole.
[01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:45.600]  Could you separate some of the
[01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:49.600]  crimes against you, like say go after them for
[01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:53.600]  false imprisonment on the bond and then go after them for other things on
[01:40:53.600 --> 01:40:57.600]  bigger lawsuits or is it all? Oh yes, okay. That's a good question.
[01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:01.600]  Criminal in civil
[01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:05.600]  court do not necessarily have anything to do with
[01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:09.600]  one another. If you file against them
[01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:13.600]  criminally and sue them, the courts will
[01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:17.600]  get real excited if you come into the civil court
[01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:21.600]  and say anything about the criminal accusations.
[01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:25.600]  It's not, I can't find anywhere in law
[01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:29.600]  but the courts will say you cannot use
[01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:33.600]  criminal prosecution to gain advantage in civil litigation.
[01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:37.600]  Well they say that
[01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:41.600]  but yes you can.
[01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:45.600]  If you do it right and the way to do it right is
[01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:49.600]  you sue them and then you file criminal
[01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:53.600]  charges against them and in the civil suit
[01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:57.600]  you never ever mention one word about the criminal
[01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:01.600]  charges and if the other side says one
[01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:05.600]  word about it, move for a mistraw.
[01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:09.600]  So they know
[01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:13.600]  your hammering them on the criminal side but they can't come into
[01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:17.600]  court and say a word about it unless you do.
[01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:21.600]  And if you do, good chance you're going to get sanctioned
[01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:25.600]  and they hope that you do
[01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:29.600]  and they'll really hate that because
[01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:33.600]  they can't bring it up and they have to suffer the
[01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:37.600]  it will have its effect on them.
[01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:41.600]  And you can do it as long as you don't bring it up.
[01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:45.600]  And there's something about somebody
[01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:49.600]  that's taking shots at you and you just can't do anything
[01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:53.600]  about it. That's what I like about bar grievances,
[01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:57.600]  murder complaints, and criminal complaints.
[01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:01.600]  Once you make the criminal accusation, that's why when I'm
[01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:05.600]  in court and ask the bailiff to drag the judge
[01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:09.600]  down off the bench, judge sits there and keeps
[01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:13.600]  his mouth shut because this is a whole other animal.
[01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:17.600]  Now I'm accusing him of crime.
[01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:21.600]  If he says a word now that goes tampered with
[01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:25.600]  witness obstruction justice, that stuff gets real serious
[01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:29.600]  real fast. So they tend to keep their mouth shut.
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[01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:29.600]  Ruvelaw Radio, and we're talking to Jim in Washington.
[01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:32.600]  Jim, do you have any other questions or comments for us?
[01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:36.600]  Well, yeah, I'm not sure. I kind of got my question out the way I wanted it.
[01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:40.600]  If you have six issues you could go after their bond for.
[01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:45.600]  Can you go after just one of them and then sue for the other five?
[01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:51.600]  Yeah, that's kind of a technical question. I think it's going to depend
[01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:58.600]  on whether the six issues would be considered separate incidents.
[01:46:58.600 --> 01:47:00.600]  Okay.
[01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:05.600]  Like if you rammed into the back of me, knocked me across the
[01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:10.600]  intersection, spun me sideways, and then you had enough momentum
[01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:15.600]  to crash into my door, I wouldn't be able to make two claims for that.
[01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:17.600]  It would all be one claim.
[01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:22.600]  This would be more along the lines of, I tase you, I arrest you for no reason,
[01:47:22.600 --> 01:47:26.600]  I charge you with false charges and that type of thing.
[01:47:26.600 --> 01:47:30.600]  Yeah, all of that. Yeah, that would all...
[01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:38.600]  It kind of depends if you have more than one person.
[01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:44.600]  If you're arrested for no reason, did they abide by all the due process rights?
[01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:46.600]  Oh, no.
[01:47:46.600 --> 01:47:51.600]  Have you been to my Juris Imprudence website?
[01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:54.600]  Yes, I have a while back. I haven't been there recently.
[01:47:54.600 --> 01:48:00.600]  Go back and reread the habeas corpus. Top frog on the left.
[01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:02.600]  Okay.
[01:48:02.600 --> 01:48:08.600]  It's written in Texas law, but it follows the federal model standards
[01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:12.600]  and that starts out with a federal case.
[01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:16.600]  But go through that. Those are the steps they're supposed to go through.
[01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:23.600]  If the policeman did an improper arrest and didn't take you directly to a magistrate,
[01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:26.600]  you got lots of stuff to throw at him.
[01:48:26.600 --> 01:48:31.600]  You keep these guys jumping through hoops till they get old.
[01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:38.600]  My purpose is I want to go after this bond because I want to make sure he loses his badge
[01:48:38.600 --> 01:48:40.600]  and he can't do this to anybody else.
[01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:45.600]  But I also don't want to let him off financially either.
[01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:48.600]  So you're saying you want his best vote?
[01:48:48.600 --> 01:48:51.600]  Yes, yes.
[01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:54.600]  But more importantly is the badge.
[01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:58.600]  I want to make sure he can't hurt anybody else the way he did me.
[01:48:58.600 --> 01:49:01.600]  That's why I was wondering if there's a way to do both.
[01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:06.600]  Absolutely. The criminal and civil are absolutely separate.
[01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:12.600]  You can probably hurt him more with the criminal than you can civil.
[01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:15.600]  But both of them will give him a lot of grief.
[01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:28.600]  And if you use the civil or even both civil and criminal to come back after everyone in the chain,
[01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:31.600]  he does the arrest, he brings you to jail.
[01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:35.600]  The jailers take you into custody.
[01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:42.600]  Did the jailers question the officer to see if the officer had brought you before a magistrate?
[01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:51.600]  And if they didn't, did the jailers make a due diligence effort to locate a magistrate?
[01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:55.600]  Or did they just book you into jail first?
[01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:57.600]  If they just booked you.
[01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:02.600]  They didn't laugh at me because I was asking for a magistrate.
[01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:04.600]  Oh, they thought it was funny.
[01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:08.600]  We'll see how funny it gets when you come back after them criminally.
[01:50:08.600 --> 01:50:11.600]  Right.
[01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:15.600]  All of the jailers, when they arrested me in Williamson County, they would say,
[01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:21.600]  man, don't come after us. We're just doing our job.
[01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:31.600]  So what they'll do is the jailers will be really upset at this guy for getting you so upset and right.
[01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:37.600]  Righteous, self-righteous, indignant because you felt mistreated so badly that you came after them.
[01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:40.600]  Everybody's going to be mad at this guy.
[01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:43.600]  Especially his bosses.
[01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:46.600]  Is this a, this guy county or city?
[01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:49.600]  That's a county deputy sheriff.
[01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:53.600]  Oh, good. You get to go after the county commissioners.
[01:50:53.600 --> 01:50:56.600]  You get to go after the sheriff.
[01:50:56.600 --> 01:51:01.600]  You get to just really make a nuisance of yourself.
[01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:06.600]  And when you file criminal complaints against them with a district judge,
[01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:10.600]  they are terrified of that district judge.
[01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:17.600]  And when you file criminal charges against him with a district judge and the district judge doesn't do his job as a magistrate,
[01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:21.600]  then you file against the district judge.
[01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:29.600]  To your knowledge, does the attorney general of the state of Washington have prosecutorial powers?
[01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:31.600]  I do not know.
[01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:37.600]  Need to check that. We, ours in Texas didn't until recently.
[01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:57.600]  They tended to handle civil actions for the state or the only prosecutorial powers they had was when they were asked to participate in a prosecution by the local prosecutor attorney or in a complaint against a prosecuting attorney.
[01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:06.600]  Under the open records act was the only time the attorney general was the prosecutor of original jurisdiction.
[01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:20.600]  And in 07 they passed an amendment that granted the attorney general prosecutorial powers concurrent with the prosecuting attorney in the matter of a complaint against a public official.
[01:52:20.600 --> 01:52:22.600]  Yahoo.
[01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:28.600]  There's that on them. You need to see if yours has it because now you get to walk up the line.
[01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:36.600]  You file against the prosecutor. When he refuses to act, you go file with the district judge. You want the district judge quickly.
[01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:43.600]  You want him not to act. And then you file against the district judge with the attorney general.
[01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:59.600]  And that way, if this officer or any other officer says one word to you that you don't like, then you file criminal charges against the district judge for sending him out there to do that.
[01:52:59.600 --> 01:53:08.600]  And the district judge is going to go ballistic. The district judge is going to know you did that on purpose.
[01:53:08.600 --> 01:53:16.600]  And he's going to know you're going to do that every one time one of these officers talks to you, pulls you over, does anything you don't like.
[01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:24.600]  And he is going to have a conniption at this poor officer who was dumb enough to say something to you.
[01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:31.600]  Primarily I suggest that because that'll protect you. You will become absolutely taboo.
[01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:35.600]  A friend of mine who's a sheriff's deputy came to me and asked me what I did as a sheriff.
[01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:39.600]  I told him I hadn't done anything to him lately. Why? He said, well, we had a roll call this morning.
[01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:45.600]  He asked who here knew Randy Kelton. About half of us raised our hands. He said, look, you're not to stop him.
[01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:54.600]  You are not to cite him and whatever you do, don't put that SOB in my jail.
[01:53:54.600 --> 01:54:02.600]  This is what happens when you hammer them. You know, if you just gripe and complain at them, they're real good at that.
[01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:14.600]  They haven't let all the time. But when you sharpshoot them, when you stand to their face and let them do whatever they want to do and don't argue with them, don't fight with them.
[01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:27.600]  And then the next thing they know, you're trying to get them arrested. That really gets their attention because now they never know what's going to get them a problem with you.
[01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:32.600]  And you want them to think that everything they do makes it worse.
[01:54:32.600 --> 01:54:40.600]  So go to prosecutor. He's not going to act. Go to the district judge against the prosecutor. He's not going to act.
[01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:48.600]  Go to the attorney general against the district judge. He's not going to act. Go to Chief Justice State Supreme Court against the attorney general.
[01:54:48.600 --> 01:55:02.600]  He's not going to act. Come back to the grand jury with criminal complaints against the Chief Justice because he wouldn't prosecute the attorney general because he wouldn't prosecute the district judge because he wouldn't prosecute the prosecutor.
[01:55:02.600 --> 01:55:09.600]  Who's going to interfere with your access to a grand jury now?
[01:55:09.600 --> 01:55:12.600]  You can make it really interesting.
[01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:19.600]  Oh, it's going to be interesting. Like I said, I was just hoping I could go in both directions because I do want to make sure that...
[01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:23.600]  You can. Criminal, civil have nothing to do with each other.
[01:55:23.600 --> 01:55:25.600]  Right. Right.
[01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:35.600]  Except that the criminal can develop you evidence you can use in the civil or the civil can develop evidence you can then apply back to the criminal.
[01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:38.600]  Right. Okay. Well, thank you, Randy.
[01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:44.600]  Okay. Thank you for calling. Now we're going to go to Tony in Illinois.
[01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:49.600]  Hello, Tony. How is your mortgage issue going?
[01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:57.600]  Well, it's kind of a limbo right now. Don't really have time to do that. I mean, it's pretty much a dead... I mean, the foreclosure.
[01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:01.600]  But I can get into that when we have more time. Maybe I'll call him tomorrow.
[01:56:01.600 --> 01:56:10.600]  Okay. Well, the problem with the dead foreclosure is that these banks have a way of resurrecting the dead.
[01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:19.600]  Expect them to come back as she sent out all of her letters to the notaries and signatories.
[01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:27.600]  Well, remember, the issue here is the assignment was late. So...
[01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:33.600]  Okay. Have you done a petition for declaratory judgment on the assignment?
[01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:45.600]  That was probably my mistake. I should have done like a... I should have done that or had the judge take legal notice of certain facts leading to it would have no choice.
[01:56:45.600 --> 01:57:00.600]  But what ended up happening was... We did a motion to dismiss and, you know, she sets the hearing.
[01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:09.600]  Okay. We show up at the hearing and the judge says, oh, the lawyer was in here earlier and he asked for a good opinion until I gave it to him.
[01:57:09.600 --> 01:57:15.600]  So that's basically what we're at. I mean, I mean...
[01:57:15.600 --> 01:57:26.600]  Okay. If your law is like the federal law and like our law, in order to get a continuance, he had to file a motion, a timely motion, give you...
[01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:32.600]  Oh, I'm sorry. Has he asked for a continuance before?
[01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:41.600]  I'm not sure. It wasn't one of their main attorneys. They actually had another guy from a different town come in to show up.
[01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:48.600]  And I later saw that he filed an appearance, but not a motion for continuance.
[01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:51.600]  And I was pissed when the judge did that.
[01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:55.600]  You need to bill the other attorney for your time.
[01:57:55.600 --> 01:58:03.600]  He'll love that. Just send him a bill, just like you would anybody else for your time. And you're expensive.
[01:58:03.600 --> 01:58:08.600]  That's what we're going to do. Get into the rest of it.
[01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:13.600]  Okay. Give us a call tomorrow. We'll have a lot more time.
[01:58:13.600 --> 01:58:19.600]  Okay. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens. We will blow our radio.
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