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[03:17.000 --> 03:21.000]  Well, I received my remedy today.
[03:21.000 --> 03:25.000]  Came in the box just like we say.
[03:25.000 --> 03:28.000]  I accepted it for value right away.
[03:28.000 --> 03:30.000]  It's not true, no.
[03:30.000 --> 03:32.000]  Not later.
[03:32.000 --> 03:40.000]  We are originators and the pathways seem to get straighter every day.
[03:40.000 --> 03:47.000]  And I can take anything that belongs to me and put it to good use.
[03:47.000 --> 03:55.000]  The word I was good for the gambler don't work for the good.
[03:55.000 --> 03:58.000]  I know some heart attack.
[03:58.000 --> 04:00.000]  I know some engine.
[04:00.000 --> 04:11.000]  Okay, you're back. Randy, Calvin, Devin, David, you're on video and we're going to go to Leslie in Pennsylvania.
[04:11.000 --> 04:14.000]  Leslie, I hope we got a better connection this time.
[04:14.000 --> 04:16.000]  Is this any better?
[04:16.000 --> 04:18.000]  Oh, much better.
[04:18.000 --> 04:20.000]  Okay.
[04:20.000 --> 04:26.000]  You have such good information we don't want to miss a single word.
[04:26.000 --> 04:33.000]  Okay, last night you were talking about defeating mortgages and deeds of trust by attacking it as a contract.
[04:33.000 --> 04:43.000]  And you made this statement that when you get the deed of trust or the mortgage in exchange for your promissory note,
[04:43.000 --> 04:47.000]  and that's not exactly true because when you have settlement,
[04:47.000 --> 04:58.000]  the mortgage company gives you a promissory note to sign and give to the title company to buy the property.
[04:58.000 --> 05:06.000]  So they gave you no value because you paid your down payment to the house, you paid your money,
[05:06.000 --> 05:09.000]  but all the banks gave you what they promised.
[05:09.000 --> 05:12.000]  They gave you no value at all.
[05:12.000 --> 05:15.000]  Wait, they gave you a warranty deed?
[05:15.000 --> 05:18.000]  No, that doesn't come from the mortgage company.
[05:18.000 --> 05:21.000]  That comes from the title company.
[05:21.000 --> 05:24.000]  That comes from the owner of the previous owner.
[05:24.000 --> 05:26.000]  The bank never had that.
[05:26.000 --> 05:34.000]  The bank is the one that provides the consideration for the transaction.
[05:34.000 --> 05:38.000]  It doesn't matter if they never had it in their hand.
[05:38.000 --> 05:41.000]  The bank brought consideration to the table.
[05:41.000 --> 05:45.000]  Now, where the bank got their money?
[05:45.000 --> 05:47.000]  That's not our business.
[05:47.000 --> 05:49.000]  That's the thing.
[05:49.000 --> 05:56.000]  The credit river decision in 1968 determined that there is no value.
[05:56.000 --> 06:00.000]  They gave you a note, a check.
[06:00.000 --> 06:02.000]  It doesn't matter.
[06:02.000 --> 06:04.000]  This is a contract.
[06:04.000 --> 06:06.000]  Out of your signature.
[06:06.000 --> 06:08.000]  There is no money there.
[06:08.000 --> 06:11.000]  That doesn't make any sense.
[06:11.000 --> 06:15.000]  The real thing to question is, is so.
[06:15.000 --> 06:16.000]  Okay.
[06:16.000 --> 06:24.000]  So when you go to a packet as a contract, a contract has to have consideration on both sides.
[06:24.000 --> 06:26.000]  You're giving them a note.
[06:26.000 --> 06:29.000]  They're giving you a note, but you're also giving them the mortgage.
[06:29.000 --> 06:33.000]  And they've given you nothing in value like the mortgage.
[06:33.000 --> 06:37.000]  They gave you a warranty deed?
[06:37.000 --> 06:44.000]  No, you bought the house of the deed from the person that owned it before.
[06:44.000 --> 06:52.000]  Now, when you're doing a little song and dance here, did the person who owned it before, just out of the goodness of his heart,
[06:52.000 --> 06:56.000]  turn his property over to you?
[06:56.000 --> 06:57.000]  No.
[06:57.000 --> 06:59.000]  He sold it for money.
[06:59.000 --> 07:02.000]  And you got that money from the mortgage.
[07:02.000 --> 07:05.000]  Where did you get that money?
[07:05.000 --> 07:06.000]  From you.
[07:06.000 --> 07:08.000]  You got that money from the mortgage company.
[07:08.000 --> 07:11.000]  That's why you get it through a title company.
[07:11.000 --> 07:14.000]  They make sure the money is in order and everybody's happy.
[07:14.000 --> 07:15.000]  Okay.
[07:15.000 --> 07:20.000]  This is, that's all, that's called consideration.
[07:20.000 --> 07:29.000]  The seller received consideration for the warranty deed.
[07:29.000 --> 07:37.000]  The warranty deed was transferred to you and in consideration of that transfer,
[07:37.000 --> 07:41.000]  you wrote a promissory note and gave it to you.
[07:41.000 --> 07:43.000]  What happens when you refinance?
[07:43.000 --> 07:45.000]  Pardon me?
[07:45.000 --> 07:47.000]  What happens when you refinance?
[07:47.000 --> 07:52.000]  Is there a value there?
[07:52.000 --> 07:58.000]  Okay, if you, okay, you said, you're asking about a refinance.
[07:58.000 --> 07:59.000]  Okay.
[07:59.000 --> 08:00.000]  They don't give you a deed.
[08:00.000 --> 08:10.000]  In the refinance, you had a claim against the property in the form of a note secured
[08:10.000 --> 08:14.000]  by a warranty, a deed of trust or a mortgage.
[08:14.000 --> 08:19.000]  If you're in a, if you're in a, if you're in a, if you're in a judicial state,
[08:19.000 --> 08:21.000]  it's secured by a mortgage.
[08:21.000 --> 08:28.000]  If you're in a non-judicious state, it's secured by a mortgage and a confess judgment.
[08:28.000 --> 08:29.000]  Right.
[08:29.000 --> 08:43.000]  That was released and the note obligation was nullified through the refinance.
[08:43.000 --> 08:49.000]  And as consideration, you gave them another warranty deed and another promise to pay.
[08:49.000 --> 08:51.000]  They're still the same thing.
[08:51.000 --> 08:53.000]  Okay.
[08:53.000 --> 08:55.000]  It's not about money.
[08:55.000 --> 08:58.000]  It's about offering acceptance.
[08:58.000 --> 08:59.000]  Okay.
[08:59.000 --> 09:00.000]  All right.
[09:00.000 --> 09:06.000]  Now, when, the way we've been attacking everything is through quiet title.
[09:06.000 --> 09:08.000]  You're aware of that.
[09:08.000 --> 09:09.000]  Yes.
[09:09.000 --> 09:10.000]  Yes.
[09:10.000 --> 09:15.000]  And one of the things that we started out with is fraud by deception.
[09:15.000 --> 09:20.000]  At the beginning, when you sign the mortgage because the character of the mortgage,
[09:20.000 --> 09:25.000]  that the mortgage documents were going to be investment securities as bonds and certificates
[09:25.000 --> 09:34.000]  was not disclosed to the plaintiff or to me or within the mortgage and note documents.
[09:34.000 --> 09:41.000]  And that this fraud removes the obligation for claims and recoupment.
[09:41.000 --> 09:42.000]  Okay.
[09:42.000 --> 09:56.000]  Well, we do have case law that says that nothing in the deed of trust can remove the obligation to pay.
[09:56.000 --> 10:00.000]  The note is separate from the deed of trust.
[10:00.000 --> 10:01.000]  Okay.
[10:01.000 --> 10:09.000]  And just because the deed of trust is void and faulty, that does not negate the note itself.
[10:09.000 --> 10:10.000]  Okay.
[10:10.000 --> 10:22.000]  So this is under the UCC 305 where if there is any deception, you were deceived that it was going to be an investment security,
[10:22.000 --> 10:26.000]  whether it's in the mortgage or not, you still were deceived.
[10:26.000 --> 10:27.000]  Okay.
[10:27.000 --> 10:28.000]  Okay.
[10:28.000 --> 10:32.000]  That is, these are issues that we have brought.
[10:32.000 --> 10:37.000]  We've got about 500 suits out with these issues in it.
[10:37.000 --> 10:43.000]  And so far we've had no luck bringing that issue.
[10:43.000 --> 10:52.000]  I have more specific issues as goes to the deception in the creation of the note.
[10:52.000 --> 11:04.000]  But with that said, the politics has dramatically changed and the courts are actually beginning to look at these issues more closely now.
[11:04.000 --> 11:10.000]  And it's very likely that all of these issues that were ignored can be re-litigated.
[11:10.000 --> 11:12.000]  Right.
[11:12.000 --> 11:13.000]  Now they...
[11:13.000 --> 11:14.000]  Yeah.
[11:14.000 --> 11:15.000]  And I agree.
[11:15.000 --> 11:17.000]  There's a lot of things we can claim in front.
[11:17.000 --> 11:20.000]  Every step was fraudulent.
[11:20.000 --> 11:21.000]  Right.
[11:21.000 --> 11:32.000]  Then on the paragraph two, because there's a breach of contract, because when the mortgage was securitized,
[11:32.000 --> 11:40.000]  and because it's not described or any remedy in the mortgage itself about securitization,
[11:40.000 --> 11:45.000]  the money should have been applied against the account and it wasn't.
[11:45.000 --> 11:52.000]  And in paragraph two, it's sad that money would... proceeds would be against the account.
[11:52.000 --> 11:56.000]  And so that's a breach of contract by paragraph two.
[11:56.000 --> 11:57.000]  Oh, no.
[11:57.000 --> 11:58.000]  Okay.
[11:58.000 --> 11:59.000]  Here's...
[11:59.000 --> 12:02.000]  That's not exactly a breach of contract.
[12:02.000 --> 12:14.000]  What the lender sold to the investor was the obligation.
[12:14.000 --> 12:19.000]  The obligation didn't go away because he sold it to someone else.
[12:19.000 --> 12:25.000]  In paragraph 20, you authorize it to do just exactly that.
[12:25.000 --> 12:33.000]  So we can't come back and say, because you did what we authorized you to do, that somehow
[12:33.000 --> 12:37.000]  that forced the contract.
[12:37.000 --> 12:38.000]  Okay.
[12:38.000 --> 12:42.000]  Remember paragraph 20, that's the big deal.
[12:42.000 --> 12:43.000]  Oh, yeah.
[12:43.000 --> 12:51.000]  And in Pennsylvania paragraph 16, because you're required to record all conveyances and assignments.
[12:51.000 --> 13:01.000]  In the county record, and this is where I just read a brief by MERS in response to a suit
[13:01.000 --> 13:09.000]  by Craig Watkins, district attorney for Dallas County, where he sued MERS for all of the filing
[13:09.000 --> 13:13.000]  fees that MERS did not pay to the county court.
[13:13.000 --> 13:14.000]  Right.
[13:14.000 --> 13:20.000]  And MERS came back and argued that the suit was frivolous and without merit.
[13:20.000 --> 13:27.000]  And they argued that it was frivolous and without merit because there is no statutory requirement
[13:27.000 --> 13:30.000]  to file anything.
[13:30.000 --> 13:31.000]  Right.
[13:31.000 --> 13:33.000]  And when I read it, I agreed with them.
[13:33.000 --> 13:36.000]  That's the way I read the code.
[13:36.000 --> 13:44.000]  But I guess these lawyers thought they were really smart and they were pretty full of themselves
[13:44.000 --> 13:55.000]  because they went on to say that it's a good idea to file the note in the county record.
[13:55.000 --> 14:01.000]  Because if you don't, your claim may not be perfected.
[14:01.000 --> 14:09.000]  And in Texas, and I would suspect that you have a corresponding law in Pennsylvania.
[14:09.000 --> 14:20.000]  In Texas under property code 13.001, it says a deed of trust not properly filed with the
[14:20.000 --> 14:24.000]  county clerk is void.
[14:24.000 --> 14:25.000]  Yes.
[14:25.000 --> 14:26.000]  Exactly.
[14:26.000 --> 14:27.000]  That is really easy.
[14:27.000 --> 14:30.000]  You have to have that.
[14:30.000 --> 14:40.000]  Otherwise the whole idea of chain of title would be worthless.
[14:40.000 --> 14:41.000]  Exactly.
[14:41.000 --> 14:49.000]  If I can't go down and look in the court record and be certain that if a claim is not filed
[14:49.000 --> 14:54.000]  here, then it is not a claim.
[14:54.000 --> 14:57.000]  And that's what 13.01 establishes.
[14:57.000 --> 15:03.000]  So you have to have that somewhere in Pennsylvania law.
[15:03.000 --> 15:14.000]  And ours says if the deed of trust is not properly filed, not just filed, but has to
[15:14.000 --> 15:16.000]  be properly filed.
[15:16.000 --> 15:20.000]  So that's one place we really want to go for.
[15:20.000 --> 15:29.000]  I have a property in Fisco, Texas, spoke to this last night, where he wrote me a warranty
[15:29.000 --> 15:31.000]  deed because he's in Michigan.
[15:31.000 --> 15:33.000]  He couldn't adjudicate the issue.
[15:33.000 --> 15:36.000]  When I looked in the court record, there was a warranty.
[15:36.000 --> 15:38.000]  There was a deed of trust.
[15:38.000 --> 15:43.000]  There's a warranty deed, a deed of trust, and then a release of the deed of trust in the
[15:43.000 --> 15:44.000]  note.
[15:44.000 --> 15:46.000]  I will.
[15:46.000 --> 15:49.000]  This is watching the mutual.
[15:49.000 --> 15:55.000]  If anybody has a Washington Mutual note, I've seen this before.
[15:55.000 --> 16:04.000]  I think when Washington Mutual was going down, there was some circumstance, and I fully suspect
[16:04.000 --> 16:10.000]  the circumstance had to do with Washington Mutual selling off these notes.
[16:10.000 --> 16:15.000]  And when they sold off the note, they received consideration.
[16:15.000 --> 16:19.000]  So their deed of trust became void.
[16:19.000 --> 16:25.000]  So what they had to do in order to perfect the claim is they had to file the release of
[16:25.000 --> 16:27.000]  a lien in the court record.
[16:27.000 --> 16:34.000]  And whoever purchased the obligation had to file their own claim in the court record.
[16:34.000 --> 16:42.000]  But I don't think when it changed to J.P. Morgan Chase that they knew this was happening.
[16:42.000 --> 16:48.000]  So they got all these notes out there with releases of liens in the record.
[16:48.000 --> 16:49.000]  Okay, hang on.
[16:49.000 --> 16:51.000]  We'll be right back on the other side.
[16:51.000 --> 16:53.000]  This is Randy Kelton, David Stevens at Craig.
[16:53.000 --> 17:21.000]  We'll be right back.
[17:21.000 --> 17:28.000]  We'll be right back.
[17:51.000 --> 17:58.000]  We'll be right back.
[18:21.000 --> 18:49.000]  We'll be right back.
[18:49.000 --> 18:59.000]  We'll be right back.
[19:19.000 --> 19:42.000]  And we were talking about the deed of trust, the note in how they work together, and how
[19:42.000 --> 19:47.720]  to nullify the deed of trust.
[19:47.720 --> 19:53.960]  I just finished up a document today where I pulled out all of the paperwork from the
[19:53.960 --> 19:56.760]  county clerk's office.
[19:56.760 --> 20:00.600]  And almost every one that I've looked at has been a horrible mess.
[20:00.600 --> 20:05.280]  The only one that was not a horrible mess was two years old.
[20:05.280 --> 20:14.600]  It was a new note, one they had produced after the sky began falling in on everybody.
[20:14.600 --> 20:22.640]  But all of the older notes, before I was seven, are just a horrible mess.
[20:22.640 --> 20:33.400]  And in this one, I had a adjudicatable challenge to every single document filed in the county
[20:33.400 --> 20:34.400]  record.
[20:34.400 --> 20:46.480]  And most of them goes back to the deed of trust. I do have an argument that this argument's
[20:46.480 --> 20:53.880]  written on a deed of trust, but the nature of the argument goes to the mortgage as well.
[20:53.880 --> 20:58.720]  Any mortgage that includes MERS.
[20:58.720 --> 21:06.720]  The argument in this one was that MERS was never mentioned in the negotiations, and this
[21:06.720 --> 21:11.480]  is what Leslie was talking about, lack of full disclosure.
[21:11.480 --> 21:20.440]  If a party to a contract gives no disclosure of any kind, they have no duty to give disclosure.
[21:20.440 --> 21:26.720]  But if they give any disclosure, then they have a duty to give full disclosure.
[21:26.720 --> 21:34.160]  And in this case, and what is the standard practice, MERS is never ever mentioned, until
[21:34.160 --> 21:36.360]  you get to the closing table.
[21:36.360 --> 21:43.400]  Now, at the closing table, they're pretty well sure that you have already made arrangements
[21:43.400 --> 21:50.160]  to sell the property you re-in, or if it's a refinance, you have made other arrangements
[21:50.160 --> 21:59.000]  that put you in a position to where the signing of this contract becomes of greater value
[21:59.000 --> 22:04.520]  than just signing the contract, because you have other commitments that he enjoined this
[22:04.520 --> 22:05.520]  contract.
[22:05.520 --> 22:08.600]  So they wait till the last minute, so it's really important to you.
[22:08.600 --> 22:12.440]  And then when you sit down at the closing table, they show all these documents in your
[22:12.440 --> 22:17.360]  face, and if you try to read them, they get all huffy-puffy, we don't have time for this.
[22:17.360 --> 22:24.200]  I've had a number of people say that the trustee just walked out.
[22:24.200 --> 22:31.960]  And then they push this deed of trust in front of you, and there's MERS on it.
[22:31.960 --> 22:37.200]  What is not revealed to you, they'll tell you, that's just standard, MERS is on all
[22:37.200 --> 22:38.200]  of them.
[22:38.200 --> 22:46.760]  What they don't tell you is MERS is put on there because it benefits the lender.
[22:46.760 --> 22:53.320]  And it does not correspondingly benefit the borrower.
[22:53.320 --> 23:03.440]  Now if someone in the contract is authorized to do something, they may do that thing.
[23:03.440 --> 23:14.400]  So longest doing of that thing does not create an unconscionable imbalance in the contract.
[23:14.400 --> 23:24.480]  So just because a contract says you can do a thing, you cannot necessarily do that thing
[23:24.480 --> 23:28.120]  with absolute impunity.
[23:28.120 --> 23:33.840]  You can only do it if it doesn't cause an imbalance in the positions of the two parties,
[23:33.840 --> 23:36.280]  and that's exactly what MERS does.
[23:36.280 --> 23:49.880]  The argument we made was MERS was put in the contract for the specific intent of managing
[23:49.880 --> 23:58.160]  the sale of a partial sale of the note or sale of the entire note.
[23:58.160 --> 24:07.880]  It was the intent of the lender when they entered into the contract to breach the contract
[24:07.880 --> 24:19.120]  by negotiating the note through MERS into a pool and subsequently into a pastor trust,
[24:19.120 --> 24:29.920]  while at the same time assigning the note to a servicer in direct violation of most
[24:29.920 --> 24:33.720]  deeds of trust, it's in paragraph 19 or 20.
[24:33.720 --> 24:39.560]  And I think in the mortgage, the last mortgage I looked at, it was in paragraph 19.
[24:39.560 --> 24:43.640]  These are standard Fannie Mae Freddie back documents.
[24:43.640 --> 24:50.160]  Every single one I've looked at has this provision in there.
[24:50.160 --> 25:02.080]  It's just one sentence, but it is absolutely crucial to the stability of our title registering
[25:02.080 --> 25:04.880]  system.
[25:04.880 --> 25:12.200]  Without this paragraph, no one could go to the court record and expect to be able to
[25:12.200 --> 25:17.160]  determine if there was a claim against the title.
[25:17.160 --> 25:25.640]  If they see the deed of trust filed in the court record, then they can be sure that this
[25:25.640 --> 25:32.880]  deed of trust is attached directly to the note and there are no claims other than this
[25:32.880 --> 25:35.800]  one.
[25:35.800 --> 25:41.440]  Without that in there, we have no idea who holds the note.
[25:41.440 --> 25:48.120]  We have no idea if the person trying to enforce the deed of trust actually holds the note
[25:48.120 --> 25:49.920]  and has capacity.
[25:49.920 --> 25:54.320]  They may have standing because they may actually have the deed of trust.
[25:54.320 --> 26:02.120]  In this case, Temple, England mortgage held the deed of trust.
[26:02.120 --> 26:03.120]  That would give them standing.
[26:03.120 --> 26:11.160]  But if they self-note somebody else, they don't have capacity.
[26:11.160 --> 26:15.160]  Without this paragraph, we have no idea if they have capacity or not.
[26:15.160 --> 26:22.080]  We maintain that it was the intention of the lender at consummation of the note to breach
[26:22.080 --> 26:26.640]  a covenant of the contract in the deed of trust.
[26:26.640 --> 26:34.760]  But the lender thereby repudiated the contract and perpetrated an agreed rescission of the
[26:34.760 --> 26:35.760]  contract.
[26:35.760 --> 26:39.480]  Oh, I never thought of putting it that way.
[26:39.480 --> 26:40.480]  That sounds good.
[26:40.480 --> 26:41.480]  You like that?
[26:41.480 --> 26:42.480]  I liked it.
[26:42.480 --> 26:52.680]  It will certainly give them something to dance with.
[26:52.680 --> 26:59.400]  This is where a close reading of that deed of trust has been very valuable.
[26:59.400 --> 27:05.840]  And then we have that, and then the very next documents in the court record is an assignment
[27:05.840 --> 27:12.920]  of the deed of trust, and this one gets interesting because there's an assignment of the deed
[27:12.920 --> 27:21.960]  of trust not from Temple, England, but from guarantee mortgage, which claims to guarantee
[27:21.960 --> 27:28.080]  mortgage formally doing business as Temple, England.
[27:28.080 --> 27:34.040]  And I said, wait a minute, what does that mean?
[27:34.040 --> 27:46.440]  There is no DBA that I know I thought in this record showing that Temple, England is now
[27:46.440 --> 27:53.120]  be known as guarantee mortgage, it's nothing in the record to determine that.
[27:53.120 --> 28:00.960]  But they just said that they just filed this transfer and made the claim.
[28:00.960 --> 28:08.680]  So the argument that we want to make and we want to bring this argument to a county court
[28:08.680 --> 28:16.800]  and say, in order to maintain the integrity of the county court records in Pennsylvania
[28:16.800 --> 28:18.680]  would be the pre-theonitary.
[28:18.680 --> 28:22.800]  I think that is the coolest name I've ever heard from a county court.
[28:22.800 --> 28:30.360]  Oh, you have a registrar deed separate, okay.
[28:30.360 --> 28:38.480]  In order to maintain the sanctity of those records, the only place I can look to determine
[28:38.480 --> 28:45.520]  title is within the four corners of the documents filed in this record.
[28:45.520 --> 28:51.960]  And when I look at this assignment, it's done purported to be done by someone who is not
[28:51.960 --> 28:57.320]  reflected in the record is having standing.
[28:57.320 --> 29:02.000]  And therefore the documents void on its face.
[29:02.000 --> 29:07.720]  And then we go down to the notary and the problems with the notary and the signatory
[29:07.720 --> 29:10.840]  are on the notary.
[29:10.840 --> 29:17.640]  And we will be doing an information request to each notary for their sequential ledger
[29:17.640 --> 29:20.960]  that the notary must keep.
[29:20.960 --> 29:24.040]  Have you done that, Leslie?
[29:24.040 --> 29:28.880]  I don't have any assignments on my mortgage and the people that I've worked with, there
[29:28.880 --> 29:36.440]  was only one person that had an assignment and they did check with that and found that
[29:36.440 --> 29:43.320]  the person that signed their, that notarized their assignment is under a criminal investigation
[29:43.320 --> 29:44.320]  in California.
[29:44.320 --> 29:45.320]  Oh, wonderful.
[29:45.320 --> 29:46.320]  Okay, hang on.
[29:46.320 --> 29:47.320]  We'll be right back.
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[32:19.320 --> 32:44.880]  Okay, we're back with Randy Kelpman, David Steele, and David Crave with LaRainio, and
[32:44.880 --> 32:49.880]  you're talking to Leslie in Pennsylvania.
[32:49.880 --> 32:58.440]  Okay, what I would like to do here is go through some of the things that I've came across just
[32:58.440 --> 33:04.680]  here recently, so you'll have an idea of what to look for in this one.
[33:04.680 --> 33:12.960]  In this one, we had this assignment to MERS, and we maintained first that the entity who
[33:12.960 --> 33:21.480]  claimed to do the assignment had not established their standing to make the assignment, and
[33:21.480 --> 33:29.400]  therefore the document was insufficient on its face, and then we argued in the alternative.
[33:29.400 --> 33:39.120]  The document purported to assign the deed of trust to mortgage electronic registration
[33:39.120 --> 33:40.120]  service.
[33:40.120 --> 33:50.120]  This is a 1995 note, and the assignment was made in 2004, nine years later.
[33:50.120 --> 34:00.400]  Wow, and then we go down and find an assignment from MERS to Bank of America.
[34:00.400 --> 34:07.080]  So the issue was here, now, the assignment from MERS to Bank of America took place in
[34:07.080 --> 34:18.640]  2010, and that assignment claimed to assign the note and the deed of trust to Bank of
[34:18.640 --> 34:19.640]  America.
[34:19.640 --> 34:21.640]  And that's not a court.
[34:21.640 --> 34:26.160]  Yeah, that's good to say, but what is wrong with that?
[34:26.160 --> 34:33.120]  What specifically from within the four corners of the documents in the court record was wrong
[34:33.120 --> 34:35.120]  with that picture?
[34:35.120 --> 34:40.280]  Well, MERS never owned a note, never had any possession of the note.
[34:40.280 --> 34:46.440]  No, no, no, no, that's not in the court, that's not in the four corners of the document.
[34:46.440 --> 34:47.840]  That's an outside argument.
[34:47.840 --> 34:56.400]  All I'm arguing in this case is we're taking this to the county court to correct the record.
[34:56.400 --> 35:01.960]  So we're only arguing what's actually in the record.
[35:01.960 --> 35:14.760]  Here's the problem, guarantee mortgage, claim to assign the note to MERS, I'm sorry, claim
[35:14.760 --> 35:20.480]  to assign the deed of trust to MERS, they didn't say a word about the note.
[35:20.480 --> 35:26.880]  And then MERS claims to assign the note and the deed of trust to Bank of America.
[35:26.880 --> 35:35.560]  Now by looking at the two documents, it must be construed that if guarantee actually had
[35:35.560 --> 35:43.760]  standing to make the assignment, that guarantee only intended to assign the deed of trust,
[35:43.760 --> 35:51.000]  had they intended to assign the note as well, they would have specified so just like MERS
[35:51.000 --> 35:53.360]  did on the next document.
[35:53.360 --> 35:54.360]  Right.
[35:54.360 --> 36:05.640]  So therefore, based on these documents on their face, the second assignment, the assignment
[36:05.640 --> 36:12.120]  to Bank of America, the one that did the foreclosure, is void on its face.
[36:12.120 --> 36:13.280]  Right.
[36:13.280 --> 36:19.520]  And then we go down and look at the notary.
[36:19.520 --> 36:27.040]  The notaries, each one of these notaries had a different problem.
[36:27.040 --> 36:37.920]  The assignment to MERS had the date that the document was verified, the date on the jurorat
[36:37.920 --> 36:45.920]  itself, was clearly one of these little roll-around rubber stamps, we've all seen them, and they
[36:45.920 --> 36:49.560]  make a distinctive mark.
[36:49.560 --> 36:55.800]  And then there was the signature of the notary, and then the notary's printed name was also
[36:55.800 --> 36:58.680]  clearly a rubber stamp.
[36:58.680 --> 37:07.280]  Now, have you ever had a notary notarize the document and pick up one of these little rubber
[37:07.280 --> 37:12.120]  stampy things and roll the date around and stamp it?
[37:12.120 --> 37:13.120]  No.
[37:13.120 --> 37:15.640]  The only reason.
[37:15.640 --> 37:22.360]  What is the only reason you would use a rubber stamp to put the date in and not write it
[37:22.360 --> 37:23.360]  out by hand?
[37:23.360 --> 37:27.640]  If you're going to hunt yourself a buck.
[37:27.640 --> 37:28.640]  Exactly.
[37:28.640 --> 37:36.720]  But the one thing that is signed is the notary's signature.
[37:36.720 --> 37:43.160]  Nothing else on the document, the affiant signature, nothing else matches the notary's
[37:43.160 --> 37:44.160]  signature.
[37:44.160 --> 37:51.160]  And what I maintained to the court was that either the notary came in and signed a large
[37:51.160 --> 38:00.800]  stack of blank documents, and then the person doing the transfer just pulled one off the
[38:00.800 --> 38:06.240]  shelf when they needed it and filled it in and sent it.
[38:06.240 --> 38:15.680]  Or with the current technology, they simply took a copy of the notary's signature and
[38:15.680 --> 38:23.240]  dropped it into a separate image file, then dropped that image file onto the document.
[38:23.240 --> 38:26.240]  Photoshop is wonderful, isn't it?
[38:26.240 --> 38:29.000]  Oh yeah, I can do tricks with it.
[38:29.000 --> 38:38.080]  I started to take this signature, drop it into Photoshop and erase the flat line that
[38:38.080 --> 38:46.360]  was under it, and then grab the box it's in and stretch it a little bit and drop it on
[38:46.360 --> 38:47.360]  the page.
[38:47.360 --> 38:52.120]  Then grab the top of the box and increase its height a little bit and drop it on the
[38:52.120 --> 38:53.120]  page.
[38:53.120 --> 38:58.720]  Then shrink it down and tip it just a little bit, maybe one degree, two degrees, and drop
[38:58.720 --> 38:59.720]  it on the page.
[38:59.720 --> 39:07.720]  And then go to the Morse portion where I can grab anywhere on the box and move that portion
[39:07.720 --> 39:08.720]  of the box.
[39:08.720 --> 39:13.480]  I can tweak it around to make letters bigger or misshape them somehow.
[39:13.480 --> 39:22.560]  I could put 20 signatures on that document and none of them would exactly match.
[39:22.560 --> 39:27.120]  They would all look like signatures of the notary, but if you superimposed them, none
[39:27.120 --> 39:28.920]  of them would match.
[39:28.920 --> 39:35.000]  And I could do that in about 10 or 15 minutes with current technology.
[39:35.000 --> 39:39.920]  So here we're waiting for responses from the notary.
[39:39.920 --> 39:50.520]  The only way this verification can be validated is if the notary produces the sequential ledger
[39:50.520 --> 39:56.400]  that has this particular document listed in it on this day.
[39:56.400 --> 40:00.120]  The signature of the affiant and the signature of the notary.
[40:00.120 --> 40:06.240]  So far we've never got one and I don't expect that we ever will.
[40:06.240 --> 40:12.400]  That would render the document insufficient as a matter of law.
[40:12.400 --> 40:22.600]  We have a foreclosed and sold the property in the deed of trust, I'm sorry, in the substitute
[40:22.600 --> 40:34.560]  of trustee's deed, the notary, there's a notary signature, but there's no date.
[40:34.560 --> 40:44.200]  That is void on its face and one of the documents has some problems with the notary, but up
[40:44.200 --> 40:52.000]  at the top of the document, right up in the top left-hand corner, there is the address
[40:52.000 --> 40:59.240]  of the property, the name of the borrower and the address of the property, but right
[40:59.240 --> 41:03.080]  above the name of the borrower, there's a list of numbers which don't correspond to
[41:03.080 --> 41:11.040]  anything I can find, and above that is the line where something has been redacted, blacked
[41:11.040 --> 41:12.040]  out.
[41:12.040 --> 41:19.920]  Now, I don't know what was blacked out.
[41:19.920 --> 41:28.920]  But it must be presumed that it was important, for the lender would not have blacked it out
[41:28.920 --> 41:32.040]  before filing it in the record.
[41:32.040 --> 41:40.240]  Therefore, as a matter of law, the court can look at the four corners of the document and
[41:40.240 --> 41:46.720]  say, this document is not valid.
[41:46.720 --> 41:52.600]  These are the kinds of things you want to look for, and I find it in everything.
[41:52.600 --> 42:02.440]  I have another case where the note was assigned to Deutsche Bank as trustee for a pass-through
[42:02.440 --> 42:03.440]  trust.
[42:03.440 --> 42:07.480]  It was assigned in 2011.
[42:07.480 --> 42:17.240]  The question was, is the trust it was assigned to closed in 2005, so they transferred the
[42:17.240 --> 42:18.440]  note and the deed of trust.
[42:18.440 --> 42:23.520]  Now, on all the new transfers, that's what they're putting, but how do they transfer
[42:23.520 --> 42:28.960]  the note into a deed of trust that had been closed for six years?
[42:28.960 --> 42:35.520]  In good chance, that remit that it's in has already collapsed, and the deed and the pass-through
[42:35.520 --> 42:38.920]  trust has already dissolved.
[42:38.920 --> 42:44.760]  That one's find on its face, we're finding all kinds of incredible problems in this.
[42:44.760 --> 42:53.240]  One has everything written in this, hand of the affiant, except the notary signature.
[42:53.240 --> 43:00.000]  On the document, it states that the document was signed on the 24th, written in hand.
[43:00.000 --> 43:06.680]  The heavy, dark pen, on the jurorate, exact same hand, same pen.
[43:06.680 --> 43:13.120]  It says it was verified on the 23rd.
[43:13.120 --> 43:17.640]  How did somebody fill that document out and screw up the dates?
[43:17.640 --> 43:24.680]  It's nuts, but this is what we're finding.
[43:24.680 --> 43:28.160]  Okay, we're about to go to another break.
[43:28.160 --> 43:32.800]  Moving on, Leslie, I know you have some stuff you want to get to when I've come and messed
[43:32.800 --> 43:38.800]  up all the time, so I'll come back to you when we get to the other side, we've had
[43:38.800 --> 43:43.680]  an hour and 15 minutes left of the show, so we'll get to Jack, John and Eric.
[43:43.680 --> 44:00.920]  This is Randy Kelton, David Stevens, Eddie Craig from Blue Flo Radio, moving right back.
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[46:26.800 --> 46:51.800]  There's a funny story coming out of New Jersey, this one man decided he's going to refinance
[46:51.800 --> 46:56.960]  a mortgage, so he goes to the title company, gets a new mortgage, and the title company
[46:56.960 --> 47:04.320]  sends the check to the original mortgage company, well it was $500 sure, and the title company
[47:04.320 --> 47:09.080]  has sent with the check a letter saying if this is not sufficient, he pauses the check
[47:09.080 --> 47:12.280]  and calls us for the remainder.
[47:12.280 --> 47:16.600]  Well instead of doing that, they send the check back to the title company, the title
[47:16.600 --> 47:21.720]  company sends another check back to them, and they, instead of sending it back to the
[47:21.720 --> 47:26.120]  title company, send it back to the borrower.
[47:26.120 --> 47:32.640]  The borrower says, oh this is great, he takes the check, invents the company with a similar
[47:32.640 --> 47:40.240]  name and he pauses it, well buy and buy, the mortgage company decides they're not getting
[47:40.240 --> 47:46.440]  any money so they're going to foreclose, well I guess what the court said, you sent the
[47:46.440 --> 47:54.920]  check back stupid, nobody has to tell you.
[47:54.920 --> 47:58.480]  Offer made and denied is offer accepted.
[47:58.480 --> 48:06.240]  Right, they did it not once but twice, so they said they tried to sue the guy for conversion,
[48:06.240 --> 48:09.920]  they said he can't sue for conversion, he can't move for conversion, it doesn't matter
[48:09.920 --> 48:13.800]  why, it wasn't yours, you sent it back.
[48:13.800 --> 48:21.160]  Oh, so the only one who could sue for conversion would have been the title company who sent
[48:21.160 --> 48:30.960]  it or whoever initially paid it but they didn't care because they still had their, wait a
[48:30.960 --> 48:35.520]  minute, wait a minute, hold on.
[48:35.520 --> 48:38.720]  This was a refinance, how did the...
[48:38.720 --> 48:46.520]  This just happened last week.
[48:46.520 --> 48:55.440]  So the reason that, the one with the claim, the guy that tried to foreclose was the first
[48:55.440 --> 49:01.000]  bank that refused the payment, they sent it back to the title company and then sent it
[49:01.000 --> 49:06.200]  back to the borrower and when they weren't getting any load payments anymore because
[49:06.200 --> 49:13.680]  they had refinanced the loan, they tried to foreclose and then they sued, they tried
[49:13.680 --> 49:14.680]  to...
[49:14.680 --> 49:22.160]  So now all this person has to do is take that money, give it back to the one who actually
[49:22.160 --> 49:25.520]  wrote the check and the loan goes away.
[49:25.520 --> 49:29.800]  Yeah, but then he has a supplement to do that.
[49:29.800 --> 49:30.800]  He's from it.
[49:30.800 --> 49:39.880]  This is where I lost a piece, the refinance company sent the check to the old lender to
[49:39.880 --> 49:47.520]  pay him off, this guy gets it back, he still owes for the refinance, now he can take that
[49:47.520 --> 49:51.000]  check and pay off the refinance and walk away.
[49:51.000 --> 49:53.760]  That's pretty cool.
[49:53.760 --> 50:04.320]  We do often, I would really like to see that case because the case I just talked about,
[50:04.320 --> 50:14.640]  she asked for a loan modification and six months later she began to get behind and they
[50:14.640 --> 50:22.080]  notified her that if she didn't get caught up that they were considering foreclosure
[50:22.080 --> 50:30.640]  so she sent in the check and they sent the check back saying that they were in foreclosure
[50:30.640 --> 50:36.200]  consideration so they couldn't accept her check.
[50:36.200 --> 50:47.440]  Well, in New Jersey, it's the, forget it honey, she said it's the amount of money that
[50:47.440 --> 50:48.440]  is forgiven.
[50:48.440 --> 50:55.040]  Yeah, that was, what I'm thinking, what I'm looking at here is they, since they were in
[50:55.040 --> 51:02.160]  foreclosure notification, consideration, then they refused to accept payment.
[51:02.160 --> 51:05.960]  If they're not in file, they have to accept it.
[51:05.960 --> 51:06.960]  That's what I'm saying.
[51:06.960 --> 51:13.880]  Well, I'm looking at what is the consequence of that.
[51:13.880 --> 51:23.000]  Does it only go to that amount or can she reasonably consider that all offer of tender
[51:23.000 --> 51:32.400]  has been denied because they were in some kind of negotiation, some kind of consideration?
[51:32.400 --> 51:38.560]  Well, she could take a chance and send the checks for the whole event.
[51:38.560 --> 51:49.560]  Yeah, I was trying to find a way to extend beyond that payment to include all the payments
[51:49.560 --> 51:56.440]  that would constitute cure of default.
[51:56.440 --> 52:01.880]  Because she was attempting to cure the default and they made it clear to her they would not
[52:01.880 --> 52:06.760]  accept any payment as long as they were in consideration.
[52:06.760 --> 52:17.280]  So her attempt at default was denied and so therefore default was tendered.
[52:17.280 --> 52:24.840]  That was a little more complex issue that I didn't address in this case so far because
[52:24.840 --> 52:33.080]  frankly once I got through the examination of all the documentation there was no necessity.
[52:33.080 --> 52:37.400]  She had a 10 pages of timeline.
[52:37.400 --> 52:43.320]  She did a really good job of timeline for the loan modification.
[52:43.320 --> 52:48.320]  And anybody here who's been through the loan modification procedure make up a timeline
[52:48.320 --> 52:53.520]  that is going to be very valuable.
[52:53.520 --> 53:01.840]  And they've been accepted for loan modification and they're waiting for their payment book
[53:01.840 --> 53:03.960]  and to get a knock on the door you have to move out.
[53:03.960 --> 53:12.680]  We bought your house at an auction in California to happen.
[53:12.680 --> 53:17.480]  Okay, get those people to me.
[53:17.480 --> 53:25.800]  I would show them how to go back in and kick their behinds.
[53:25.800 --> 53:36.640]  A foreclosure that was not proper in every instance is not a foreclosure.
[53:36.640 --> 53:41.800]  I had a friend of mine talk to somebody who had just walked away and he said, well, you
[53:41.800 --> 53:45.280]  know, I think I can educate this when you write me a warranty deed.
[53:45.280 --> 53:47.280]  He said, I don't know.
[53:47.280 --> 53:58.560]  Well, write a warranty deed that grants me any claim you may have against the property.
[53:58.560 --> 54:00.800]  You can still do that.
[54:00.800 --> 54:05.000]  And if you have no claim, you've given me nothing.
[54:05.000 --> 54:11.400]  But if you do have a claim, you've given me the property and I can go in and adjudicate
[54:11.400 --> 54:14.240]  the issue.
[54:14.240 --> 54:24.240]  So if you then go in and show that there was any singular step out of place and we need
[54:24.240 --> 54:30.520]  to understand this point, let me talk about the privilege.
[54:30.520 --> 54:39.400]  The bank exercised a privilege, whether it's in a judicial state or a non-judicial state.
[54:39.400 --> 54:45.400]  The privilege is a claim against the property, a confessed judgment.
[54:45.400 --> 54:55.680]  You entered into a loan arrangement with the lender, which gave the lender a claim against
[54:55.680 --> 54:56.680]  you personally.
[54:56.680 --> 55:00.520]  And I apologize for the training in the background.
[55:00.520 --> 55:08.120]  I asked them to stop doing that during this show, and they were not helpful.
[55:08.120 --> 55:20.680]  Anyway, okay, you entered into a loan agreement and the lender accrued a claim against you
[55:20.680 --> 55:26.920]  personally based on a promise to pay, and they said, that's not enough.
[55:26.920 --> 55:29.240]  I need more.
[55:29.240 --> 55:33.720]  I'm afraid you may liquidate this property, so I want to claim against the property in
[55:33.720 --> 55:38.640]  an agreement that you will liquidate the property or create any claims against the property
[55:38.640 --> 55:41.240]  without my permission.
[55:41.240 --> 55:47.960]  And that's so if you get the roof blown off, you can put another roof back on it and get
[55:47.960 --> 55:54.520]  a mechanic's lien until the roof amount is paid, and the bank would agree to that because
[55:54.520 --> 55:56.440]  it protects the property.
[55:56.440 --> 56:02.040]  So that's what the mortgage or the warranty fee does.
[56:02.040 --> 56:09.840]  So you grant them in a mortgage a claim against the property, so they don't have to go in
[56:09.840 --> 56:16.520]  court, sue you, and then ask the court to grant them a judgment against the property
[56:16.520 --> 56:23.000]  so that they can liquidate the property to satisfy the claim against you.
[56:23.000 --> 56:26.920]  Now they can go directly against the property.
[56:26.920 --> 56:37.160]  In a non-judicial state, not only did you grant the mortgage part, you also granted a confessed
[56:37.160 --> 56:38.160]  judgment.
[56:38.160 --> 56:46.760]  They don't have to file a suit in court against the property to make a claim and liquidate
[56:46.760 --> 56:51.400]  the property and get a judgment from the court against the property so that they can liquidate
[56:51.400 --> 56:52.600]  it.
[56:52.600 --> 56:55.200]  You've confessed that judgment.
[56:55.200 --> 57:04.160]  These are privileges that the mortgage company asked you for in order for them to feel comfortable
[57:04.160 --> 57:12.480]  in extending the funds necessary to secure the deed of trust, I'm sorry, to secure the
[57:12.480 --> 57:13.480]  warranty deed.
[57:13.480 --> 57:22.400]  So you agree to that under certain very specific conditions.
[57:22.400 --> 57:32.040]  And we have case law that says if you're going to exercise a non-judicial foreclosure, since
[57:32.040 --> 57:43.400]  there is no judicial oversight, you must make certain that every step is done correctly.
[57:43.400 --> 57:50.920]  So when we go through these documents, picking them apart with a fine-toothed comb, well,
[57:50.920 --> 57:53.840]  this is not nitpicking.
[57:53.840 --> 58:02.920]  This is absolutely crucial to the integrity of our property records.
[58:02.920 --> 58:05.320]  We don't keep these in order.
[58:05.320 --> 58:10.640]  No one outside this country would ever invest in this country again, and that would relicate
[58:10.640 --> 58:16.040]  us to a third-world nation status for the next two or three generations.
[58:16.040 --> 58:21.840]  This is an extremely important issue, and this is Randy Calton, David Stevens, and Craig
[58:21.840 --> 58:22.840]  with La Radio.
[58:22.840 --> 58:23.840]  Leslie, I'm afraid we have to move along.
[58:23.840 --> 58:24.840]  There's some call board here.
[58:24.840 --> 58:25.840]  I'm really stacking up.
[58:25.840 --> 58:26.840]  Okay, fine.
[58:26.840 --> 58:27.840]  Thank you, and I definitely want to talk to you off the air.
[58:27.840 --> 58:28.840]  Okay, this is Randy Calton, David Stevens, and Craig with La Radio.
[58:28.840 --> 58:29.840]  I call in number 5126461984.
[58:29.840 --> 58:30.840]  We'll be right back.
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[01:02:17.680 --> 01:02:21.800]  Raising a child is expensive, but just how expensive is a real eye opener?
[01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:27.720]  According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, it costs about $286,000 to raise a middle-class
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[01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:43.760]  education.
[01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:49.160]  In-state college tuition and fees at public universities currently run about $7,000 a
[01:02:49.160 --> 01:02:52.800]  year and they're expected to rise faster than the rate of inflation.
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[01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:41.280]  Okay, we're back, Randy Kelton, every single day of the day with the radio and the newest
[01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:48.120]  Deborah is not here tonight, she's been taking Friday nights off and it's one of her church
[01:03:48.120 --> 01:03:50.640]  community nights.
[01:03:50.640 --> 01:03:54.080]  So she deserves it.
[01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:59.920]  Okay, we're going to go to Stephen in Texas.
[01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:03.280]  Stephen, what do you got for us tonight?
[01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:06.000]  Yes, sir, can you hear me?
[01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.160]  No, I can't hear a word you're saying.
[01:04:09.160 --> 01:04:13.000]  Oh, another issue in Randy's case.
[01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:17.640]  Yeah, you got a real good signal from the coming in real quick.
[01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:28.200]  Guys, as I was on the move, as I start digging deeper in my pursuit of learning what is here,
[01:04:28.200 --> 01:04:35.760]  I came across and tagged a copy of a 1936 edition on Constitution and the Government
[01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:43.200]  of Texas written by a professor out of U.C. and going through this and it's off the line.
[01:04:43.200 --> 01:04:45.320]  The last constitution we have.
[01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.120]  Hold on, you're breaking up.
[01:04:48.120 --> 01:04:50.320]  Can you hold the mic down by your chin?
[01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:53.320]  It sounds like your mic is over my head.
[01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:54.320]  Can you hear me now?
[01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:55.320]  Well, he said he's on the move.
[01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.040]  He's entering a bad area if he's on the move.
[01:04:58.040 --> 01:04:59.040]  Okay.
[01:04:59.040 --> 01:05:00.040]  Okay.
[01:05:00.040 --> 01:05:01.040]  Okay.
[01:05:01.040 --> 01:05:02.040]  Okay.
[01:05:02.040 --> 01:05:09.040]  Get out and get up on the top of your car and stand on your head and squawk like a chicken.
[01:05:09.040 --> 01:05:16.040]  Never mind.
[01:05:16.040 --> 01:05:17.040]  Okay.
[01:05:17.040 --> 01:05:18.040]  Go ahead.
[01:05:18.040 --> 01:05:19.040]  I think we may have lost him entirely.
[01:05:19.040 --> 01:05:20.040]  Yeah.
[01:05:20.040 --> 01:05:21.040]  That's a bad signal.
[01:05:21.040 --> 01:05:22.040]  All right.
[01:05:22.040 --> 01:05:23.040]  Well, wait.
[01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:24.040]  No.
[01:05:24.040 --> 01:05:25.040]  Steven to call back in.
[01:05:25.040 --> 01:05:26.040]  Why don't we go to the next one in the list?
[01:05:26.040 --> 01:05:27.040]  Let's go to Jack in Texas.
[01:05:27.040 --> 01:05:28.040]  Jack.
[01:05:28.040 --> 01:05:29.040]  How are you doing?
[01:05:29.040 --> 01:05:30.040]  Hey, how are you doing?
[01:05:30.040 --> 01:05:31.040]  We're doing good.
[01:05:31.040 --> 01:05:32.040]  Are you going to stump the chumps tonight?
[01:05:32.040 --> 01:05:33.040]  Yes, sir.
[01:05:33.040 --> 01:05:34.040]  Here's him.
[01:05:34.040 --> 01:05:39.040]  Hey, listen.
[01:05:39.040 --> 01:05:42.040]  I have a question for you guys.
[01:05:42.040 --> 01:05:51.040]  Now, in Texas, as your private firearm owner, you can sell a firearm to another person right
[01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:56.040]  like at the gun shows or through the paper or whatever.
[01:05:56.040 --> 01:05:57.040]  Correct?
[01:05:57.040 --> 01:06:00.040]  Why are you selling a firearm instead of a gun?
[01:06:00.040 --> 01:06:02.040]  It's my question.
[01:06:02.040 --> 01:06:04.040]  Okay.
[01:06:04.040 --> 01:06:07.040]  Eddie, I didn't understand that question.
[01:06:07.040 --> 01:06:12.040]  Would you specify the difference between a firearm and a gun?
[01:06:12.040 --> 01:06:15.040]  It depends on the definition being used.
[01:06:15.040 --> 01:06:21.040]  And if you're going to what the federal rules and laws are on the subject of firearms, a
[01:06:21.040 --> 01:06:31.040]  firearm is specifically defined in federal law as a long gun capable of or a grenade
[01:06:31.040 --> 01:06:41.040]  or other explosive device or a silencer or a shotgun with a barrel under 18 inches.
[01:06:41.040 --> 01:06:44.040]  That's a firearm.
[01:06:44.040 --> 01:06:45.040]  Okay.
[01:06:45.040 --> 01:06:46.040]  Wait a minute.
[01:06:46.040 --> 01:06:47.040]  Hold on.
[01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:48.040]  Hold on.
[01:06:48.040 --> 01:06:55.040]  Is that intended as a exclusive definition for firearms?
[01:06:55.040 --> 01:07:06.040]  Because that sounds like those types of weapons that are directly regulated by statute.
[01:07:06.040 --> 01:07:12.040]  Again, the long gun is one that has a barrel in excess of 36 inches.
[01:07:12.040 --> 01:07:13.040]  Okay.
[01:07:13.040 --> 01:07:14.040]  I know what a long gun is.
[01:07:14.040 --> 01:07:16.040]  That wasn't my question.
[01:07:16.040 --> 01:07:28.040]  Is firearm only applied to those weapons that are controlled by these regulations?
[01:07:28.040 --> 01:07:37.040]  Or are these the types of firearms that are controlled by these regulations?
[01:07:37.040 --> 01:07:43.040]  That is how the federal government regulates firearms by those regulations.
[01:07:43.040 --> 01:07:50.040]  The federal statutes on what a firearm is that thus allows them to regulate it.
[01:07:50.040 --> 01:07:56.040]  Now the question is whether or not the state has separate rules and regulations that may
[01:07:56.040 --> 01:07:58.040]  define it differently.
[01:07:58.040 --> 01:08:06.040]  Most places they define it, if there is a state statute on it, says that a firearm is
[01:08:06.040 --> 01:08:16.040]  something that ejects a propelled or projectile through explosive means.
[01:08:16.040 --> 01:08:24.040]  Does explosive means include compressed air or carbon dioxide?
[01:08:24.040 --> 01:08:25.040]  No.
[01:08:25.040 --> 01:08:27.040]  Explosive means exactly that.
[01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:30.040]  There must be an explosion, not a pressurization.
[01:08:30.040 --> 01:08:41.040]  No, a release of a dramatic release of compressed gas is also technically an explosion.
[01:08:41.040 --> 01:08:46.040]  That's why I asked that question because I wanted to be clear.
[01:08:46.040 --> 01:08:53.040]  The way it reads it leads you to believe it's inferring an incendiary explosion.
[01:08:53.040 --> 01:08:55.040]  But it doesn't say that.
[01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:56.040]  Is that correct?
[01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:58.040]  I'd have to go back and read it.
[01:08:58.040 --> 01:09:03.040]  Normally I don't read into something that isn't there.
[01:09:03.040 --> 01:09:05.040]  That's where I'm going.
[01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:16.040]  Explosion, if you look up, I haven't looked it up lately, but the explosion means violent release.
[01:09:16.040 --> 01:09:29.040]  Because I've had instances where police claimed authority to regulate BB guns and pellet guns,
[01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:35.040]  then I understand their need to because a pellet gun can be lethal.
[01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:43.040]  And with firearm, you could put your eye out, but I didn't know if they would extend it to fall under
[01:09:43.040 --> 01:09:46.040]  if there was something specific on the definition.
[01:09:46.040 --> 01:09:58.040]  And Jack, I hope this discussion makes it clear how, especially in this area, how important definitions are.
[01:09:58.040 --> 01:10:00.040]  Oh, yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting.
[01:10:00.040 --> 01:10:06.040]  I mean, all right, well, let's say you have a long gun, a deer rifle.
[01:10:06.040 --> 01:10:13.040]  And you're wanting to sell this deer rifle to another individual and you're just a private owner.
[01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:14.040]  You're not a dealer.
[01:10:14.040 --> 01:10:20.040]  Basically, my real question is, you all know about the incident that happened in Austin a while back
[01:10:20.040 --> 01:10:30.040]  where they had that setup, where they had an illegal alien purchase, a gun from a guy at one of the booths
[01:10:30.040 --> 01:10:38.040]  at the gun show and they set him up and then the guy, they handcuffed him, took him outside.
[01:10:38.040 --> 01:10:41.040]  And Alex Jones covered this too.
[01:10:41.040 --> 01:10:44.040]  And then they brought the guy back in as a big show.
[01:10:44.040 --> 01:10:47.040]  They handcuffed the guy.
[01:10:47.040 --> 01:10:54.040]  I don't know if it was APD or ATF because he sold the gun to a illegal alien.
[01:10:54.040 --> 01:11:07.040]  Now, I had read where, I don't know if it was on GCN or whatever, but I had read where this supposed illegal alien had a Texas driver's license.
[01:11:07.040 --> 01:11:13.040]  And one question is, can illegal aliens get a Texas driver's license?
[01:11:13.040 --> 01:11:15.040]  That's one question.
[01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:19.040]  And two, they can.
[01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:22.040]  Yes.
[01:11:22.040 --> 01:11:25.040]  Now, I think they get it legally.
[01:11:25.040 --> 01:11:28.040]  Well, yeah, I think they can.
[01:11:28.040 --> 01:11:30.040]  Most of them didn't have one.
[01:11:30.040 --> 01:11:33.040]  That's not a consideration in the sugar driver's license.
[01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:35.040]  Well, actually it is.
[01:11:35.040 --> 01:11:46.040]  When you go down to the DPS, unless they've changed the rules on this and I haven't seen that they have, what used to occur is you'd have these illegal aliens going down to the DPS depots trying to get a license.
[01:11:46.040 --> 01:11:50.040]  They would be using someone else's birth certificate.
[01:11:50.040 --> 01:11:57.040]  And they would try to pass themselves off as this individual born within one of the Texas counties.
[01:11:57.040 --> 01:12:02.040]  And of course, the DPS officer would be saying, well, let's see, you were born in Harris County, right?
[01:12:02.040 --> 01:12:04.040]  CCC.
[01:12:04.040 --> 01:12:08.040]  Okay, well, then you're from Houston and that's where you were born, right?
[01:12:08.040 --> 01:12:09.040]  CCC.
[01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:17.040]  Well, slight problem in when the guy is saying this county or this county and this city and this city, they're in completely different parts of the state.
[01:12:17.040 --> 01:12:26.040]  Now, in this case, he was actually asking Dallas County and the birth certificate was from Houston.
[01:12:26.040 --> 01:12:28.040]  So he caught the guy in a lie.
[01:12:28.040 --> 01:12:32.040]  But the thing is, he knew he was illegal and he didn't arrest him.
[01:12:32.040 --> 01:12:36.040]  He just said, you need to go find somebody else to buy off on this.
[01:12:36.040 --> 01:12:46.040]  Yeah, well, the point of that is he didn't have that authority.
[01:12:46.040 --> 01:12:51.040]  But the immigration issue is not a state issue, it's a federal issue.
[01:12:51.040 --> 01:13:09.040]  So he didn't, he specifically didn't have authority to enforce that issue except in support of immigration officials.
[01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:15.040]  Well, that may be true, but he had authority to arrest him for attempting to fraudulently obtain.
[01:13:15.040 --> 01:13:16.040]  Yes, he did.
[01:13:16.040 --> 01:13:19.040]  A driver's license and fraudulent use of a birth certificate.
[01:13:19.040 --> 01:13:20.040]  Okay.
[01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:21.040]  Okay.
[01:13:21.040 --> 01:13:25.040]  Well, without getting too far a field, this is not my area.
[01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:30.040]  So when I talk outside my area, I'm just blabbing.
[01:13:30.040 --> 01:13:36.040]  So you're probably absolutely right and I'm absolutely wrong.
[01:13:36.040 --> 01:13:44.040]  And everybody marked this on the calendar as first time and you get to be there to witness the event.
[01:13:44.040 --> 01:13:48.040]  But anyway, Jack, what else do you have on this?
[01:13:48.040 --> 01:13:52.040]  Well, Randy, it becomes a martyr here.
[01:13:52.040 --> 01:13:54.040]  Yeah, I'm a martyr.
[01:13:54.040 --> 01:13:56.040]  Well, here's what I'm getting at, guys.
[01:13:56.040 --> 01:13:59.040]  I met a lot of nice fellows at the gun show.
[01:13:59.040 --> 01:14:10.040]  Elderly gentlemen, you know, that 60s, 70s, that there are private owners of firearms or handguns, long guns, whatever you want to call them.
[01:14:10.040 --> 01:14:14.040]  And they're selling them to people, they're not dealers.
[01:14:14.040 --> 01:14:15.040]  Okay.
[01:14:15.040 --> 01:14:17.040]  They'll ask for a Texas driver's license.
[01:14:17.040 --> 01:14:18.040]  Okay.
[01:14:18.040 --> 01:14:28.040]  So how's that guy to know if they're setting them up, if ATF or APD are setting them up like that, where you have...
[01:14:28.040 --> 01:14:29.040]  Now, I'm not sure.
[01:14:29.040 --> 01:14:39.040]  I don't know if y'all know about the story I'm talking about, but I'm not sure if it's true what I read on the Internet that this guy had a Texas driver's license
[01:14:39.040 --> 01:14:46.040]  and he was illegal and they said that this guy was arrested and that he was convicted.
[01:14:46.040 --> 01:14:54.040]  And I don't know if this is true or not, but the guy who actually did all this, the illegal, he's still running around Austin Scott Free.
[01:14:54.040 --> 01:15:01.040]  And the guy that was the citizen here got in all this trouble for doing that.
[01:15:01.040 --> 01:15:09.040]  And the other thing is if the person... I don't know what the rules are if you're...
[01:15:09.040 --> 01:15:10.040]  Okay.
[01:15:10.040 --> 01:15:11.040]  Hold on, Jack.
[01:15:11.040 --> 01:15:12.040]  Hold on, Jack.
[01:15:12.040 --> 01:15:23.040]  I think this may be that you were operating from an unstated presupposition that is not true.
[01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:38.040]  And that unstated presupposition is that when the police or law enforcement officials act, they act in accordance with law.
[01:15:38.040 --> 01:15:40.040]  We really need to dispel that.
[01:15:40.040 --> 01:15:52.040]  You also need to dispel the notion that when the police arrest someone, they care whether or not you violated law.
[01:15:52.040 --> 01:15:57.040]  They don't, especially in a circumstance like this.
[01:15:57.040 --> 01:16:11.040]  From what you said, it is clear that the ATF was trying to frighten and intimidate all of these ordinary people who were trying to trade in their weapons
[01:16:11.040 --> 01:16:16.040]  because they want to get control of all the weapons.
[01:16:16.040 --> 01:16:22.040]  I had two people call me when I was in North Carolina.
[01:16:22.040 --> 01:16:26.040]  They had filed some liens against the public officials.
[01:16:26.040 --> 01:16:29.040]  These two guys wind up in 60 minutes.
[01:16:29.040 --> 01:16:32.040]  And they said they had filed some liens against the public officials.
[01:16:32.040 --> 01:16:34.040]  I said, well, who was the official?
[01:16:34.040 --> 01:16:37.040]  Well, it was J.P.
[01:16:37.040 --> 01:16:38.040]  Oh, okay.
[01:16:38.040 --> 01:16:40.040]  How much was the lien?
[01:16:40.040 --> 01:16:42.040]  11 trillion.
[01:16:42.040 --> 01:16:45.040]  What was the issue?
[01:16:45.040 --> 01:16:47.040]  Graphic.
[01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:50.040]  What were you thinking?
[01:16:50.040 --> 01:16:53.040]  And I told them they'd beat the case.
[01:16:53.040 --> 01:16:56.040]  And I'll explain why we didn't get back on the other side.
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[01:19:00.040 --> 01:19:07.040]  Oh, come on.
[01:19:07.040 --> 01:19:14.040]  Oh, come on.
[01:19:14.040 --> 01:19:20.040]  Oh, come on.
[01:19:20.040 --> 01:19:25.040]  Oh, come on.
[01:19:25.040 --> 01:19:30.040]  If I can get everything I want, yeah,
[01:19:30.040 --> 01:19:37.040]  I'll never get a ranger, yeah,
[01:19:37.040 --> 01:19:42.040]  If I can't get everything I need,
[01:19:42.040 --> 01:19:48.040]  I'll never get a ranger, yeah,
[01:19:48.040 --> 01:19:51.040]  If the people of the world can't get about me, nothing.
[01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:53.040]  Okay, we're back.
[01:19:53.040 --> 01:20:00.040]  We're talking to Jack in Texas.
[01:20:00.040 --> 01:20:04.040]  Okay, Jack, where were we?
[01:20:04.040 --> 01:20:12.040]  Okay, well, I guess the bottom line is, if I had a booth at the gun show and I'm not a dealer,
[01:20:12.040 --> 01:20:17.040]  all I'm required to in the state of Texas is to ask for a Texas driver's license.
[01:20:17.040 --> 01:20:23.040]  Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, you're saying that?
[01:20:23.040 --> 01:20:26.040]  What is the foundation for you saying that?
[01:20:26.040 --> 01:20:28.040]  I, I, oh, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
[01:20:28.040 --> 01:20:35.040]  Let me back up. Let me finish what I was talking about. There's something really important.
[01:20:35.040 --> 01:20:41.040]  These guys that had filed these $11.30 needs, you know, that was absolutely outrageous.
[01:20:41.040 --> 01:20:47.040]  And they asked me whether they had been charged with male fraud.
[01:20:47.040 --> 01:20:51.040]  And they asked me what I thought and I said, oh, you're in the case.
[01:20:51.040 --> 01:20:54.040]  But we will, yeah, you will.
[01:20:54.040 --> 01:21:02.040]  You will, you will beat the time, but you won't beat the ride.
[01:21:02.040 --> 01:21:06.040]  The U.S. Attorney has essentially unlimited funds.
[01:21:06.040 --> 01:21:09.040]  He really does it because he has a budget.
[01:21:09.040 --> 01:21:18.040]  But he can use the funds of the American government to beat you up with.
[01:21:18.040 --> 01:21:21.040]  We had a guy in, I'll think of his name in a minute.
[01:21:21.040 --> 01:21:29.040]  He was a 20 year broadcaster who was charged with enough allegations to put him in prison for 20 years.
[01:21:29.040 --> 01:21:35.040]  The federal government held him in jail and detailed him around the country for a year.
[01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:38.040]  He lost everything.
[01:21:38.040 --> 01:21:45.040]  The court and the jury dismissed every charge.
[01:21:45.040 --> 01:21:50.040]  And when I talked to him, he was strutting around like a bandit rooster.
[01:21:50.040 --> 01:21:57.040]  And I said, when all this started, I asked him, where are you living now?
[01:21:57.040 --> 01:22:01.040]  He said, well, I'm living over here in this motorhome park.
[01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:03.040]  Well, when all this started, where were you living?
[01:22:03.040 --> 01:22:09.040]  I had a three bedroom house here in Asheville. It's Asheville, North Carolina.
[01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:15.040]  And once you married, yeah, I was married, but my wife divorced me and took the kids.
[01:22:15.040 --> 01:22:18.040]  And then you spent a year in federal luck.
[01:22:18.040 --> 01:22:21.040]  Boy, yeah, I did.
[01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:25.040]  Didn't you think you won?
[01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:30.040]  They never intended to get him convicted to start with.
[01:22:30.040 --> 01:22:35.040]  You may beat the time, but you won't beat the ride. This is the problem we have.
[01:22:35.040 --> 01:22:45.040]  This is the problem you have going to a gun show and absolutely acting in compliance with all applicable law.
[01:22:45.040 --> 01:22:49.040]  These guys simply do not care.
[01:22:49.040 --> 01:22:56.040]  They will promote their own agenda and they do not care what the law says.
[01:22:56.040 --> 01:22:59.040]  They are not using their own money.
[01:22:59.040 --> 01:23:03.040]  They're at no risk themselves, no apparent risk.
[01:23:03.040 --> 01:23:09.040]  I'm saying this as a word of caution.
[01:23:09.040 --> 01:23:15.040]  These guys are scoundrels. They pick especially ATF.
[01:23:15.040 --> 01:23:22.040]  They pick ATF because they are narcissistic sociopaths.
[01:23:22.040 --> 01:23:35.040]  But narcissistic sociopath, if you're in a room full of people and a baby screams out in pain,
[01:23:35.040 --> 01:23:42.040]  25% of the room will not feel the pain, 75% will.
[01:23:42.040 --> 01:23:45.040]  25% will not.
[01:23:45.040 --> 01:23:47.040]  That's a sociopath.
[01:23:47.040 --> 01:23:49.040]  They don't have empathy.
[01:23:49.040 --> 01:23:52.040]  That doesn't mean you're bad people or anything.
[01:23:52.040 --> 01:23:55.040]  They just don't feel what everybody else feels.
[01:23:55.040 --> 01:23:57.040]  The rest of us are in bats.
[01:23:57.040 --> 01:24:00.040]  We feel what other people feel.
[01:24:00.040 --> 01:24:08.040]  If you are a sociopath and you are also narcissistic, totally self-centered,
[01:24:08.040 --> 01:24:11.040]  that's the definition of a psychopath.
[01:24:11.040 --> 01:24:13.040]  Psychiatrists do not want to deal with them.
[01:24:13.040 --> 01:24:19.040]  They're the most heinous and the most difficult human beings to deal with, ATF, FBI,
[01:24:19.040 --> 01:24:23.040]  and all of these agencies, the police departments,
[01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:28.040]  they go out of their way to hire narcissistic sociopaths.
[01:24:28.040 --> 01:24:34.040]  When we were growing up, those were the people we called TOTES.
[01:24:34.040 --> 01:24:39.040]  Little TOTES who would follow whoever had apparent strength
[01:24:39.040 --> 01:24:47.040]  so they could hide under their strength and be absolutely gruesome human beings.
[01:24:47.040 --> 01:24:51.040]  Understand what you're dealing with.
[01:24:51.040 --> 01:24:54.040]  This has nothing to do with law.
[01:24:54.040 --> 01:25:00.040]  It has to do with those people in power promoting their own personal agenda.
[01:25:00.040 --> 01:25:04.040]  I know you're talking about how the law applies,
[01:25:04.040 --> 01:25:09.040]  but when you're dealing especially with the ATF,
[01:25:09.040 --> 01:25:14.040]  I think the ATF may actually be by far the worst.
[01:25:14.040 --> 01:25:21.040]  There's one agency with no redeeming features.
[01:25:21.040 --> 01:25:26.040]  So my point is be cautious.
[01:25:26.040 --> 01:25:33.040]  And what the law says is not necessarily relevant.
[01:25:33.040 --> 01:25:37.040]  Okay, does that make sense to you?
[01:25:37.040 --> 01:25:39.040]  Yes, it makes total sense.
[01:25:39.040 --> 01:25:45.040]  I guess you're safer buying from a dealer than doing things that way
[01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:52.040]  because the dealers are following every aspect of the rule that the ATF requires.
[01:25:52.040 --> 01:25:57.040]  But if you're a private owner, you're really messing with fire.
[01:25:57.040 --> 01:26:01.040]  And the ATF, they're okay with the dealers because they can beat the dealers up.
[01:26:01.040 --> 01:26:05.040]  Anytime they want to, any way they want to, they don't like you
[01:26:05.040 --> 01:26:11.040]  because you're able to do things that they can't have direct control over.
[01:26:11.040 --> 01:26:20.040]  So what you were talking about is they're trying to find a way to threaten, frighten, and intimidate you.
[01:26:20.040 --> 01:26:27.040]  I appreciate what you're telling me because there's some elderly gentlemen
[01:26:27.040 --> 01:26:34.040]  that I've purchased firearms from or whatever that I see it again shows all the time.
[01:26:34.040 --> 01:26:39.040]  I've been meaning to say something to them because of what happened here in Austin.
[01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:42.040]  And this is like in the San Antonio area or whatever.
[01:26:42.040 --> 01:26:47.040]  And I feel for those guys because some of these guys are like in their 60s, 70s.
[01:26:47.040 --> 01:26:51.040]  You know, they grew up like good Americans like we all have
[01:26:51.040 --> 01:26:55.040]  and don't realize that things are changing.
[01:26:55.040 --> 01:27:00.040]  Well, the problem is with most of these policing agencies,
[01:27:00.040 --> 01:27:10.040]  with our policing agencies becoming more militaristic and more, I don't know, sick and twisted.
[01:27:10.040 --> 01:27:13.040]  I'm trying to find the right word here.
[01:27:13.040 --> 01:27:18.040]  But those people in power want to stay in power.
[01:27:18.040 --> 01:27:22.040]  Those people in control want to maintain control.
[01:27:22.040 --> 01:27:28.040]  And they will use the worst elements of our society to do that.
[01:27:28.040 --> 01:27:33.040]  Think that not the German brown shirts.
[01:27:33.040 --> 01:27:41.040]  Hitler picked those people who had absolutely no empathy.
[01:27:41.040 --> 01:27:46.040]  You obviously have empathy. You're concerned about these people.
[01:27:46.040 --> 01:27:52.040]  Narcissistic sociopaths have no concern.
[01:27:52.040 --> 01:28:01.040]  I look at the policeman, probably 90% of the policemen I know are just ordinary human beings.
[01:28:01.040 --> 01:28:04.040]  And they have empathy. They want to do the right thing.
[01:28:04.040 --> 01:28:12.040]  But that other 10% is a real problem and a real danger.
[01:28:12.040 --> 01:28:19.040]  Be careful. I'm not saying don't fight for what is right.
[01:28:19.040 --> 01:28:24.040]  I'm just saying be cautious.
[01:28:24.040 --> 01:28:27.040]  I understand. Well, I appreciate you guys.
[01:28:27.040 --> 01:28:31.040]  And God bless y'all and y'all have a good evening and good weekend.
[01:28:31.040 --> 01:28:33.040]  Okay. Thank you, Jack.
[01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:40.040]  Okay. Now we're going to go to Eric in Washington.
[01:28:40.040 --> 01:28:43.040]  Hello, Eric. What do you have for us?
[01:28:43.040 --> 01:28:50.040]  Hello, Randy. I'll talk to you at least once.
[01:28:50.040 --> 01:28:56.040]  I have a question that you and Eddie have and Deborah.
[01:28:56.040 --> 01:29:02.040]  Yeah. And by the way, hello to all of you.
[01:29:02.040 --> 01:29:05.040]  I have a question that...
[01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:10.040]  Okay. Hold on, Eric. We've only got 30 minutes left to move kind of quickly.
[01:29:10.040 --> 01:29:11.040]  Yes.
[01:29:11.040 --> 01:29:14.040]  We've got 50 seconds to break, so go kind of quickly.
[01:29:14.040 --> 01:29:16.040]  Okay.
[01:29:16.040 --> 01:29:25.040]  You and Eddie talk about the legal issues on the front end and try to teach defendants how to defend themselves.
[01:29:25.040 --> 01:29:30.040]  And yet at the end, you have these jurors that are morons.
[01:29:30.040 --> 01:29:38.040]  And yet you never talk about the jurors' nullification.
[01:29:38.040 --> 01:29:41.040]  And I think that's a very important object.
[01:29:41.040 --> 01:29:43.040]  Okay.
[01:29:43.040 --> 01:29:45.040]  Okay. Hold on. We're back to go to break.
[01:29:45.040 --> 01:29:47.040]  That is fair enough.
[01:29:47.040 --> 01:29:50.040]  And I do understand the problem.
[01:29:50.040 --> 01:29:53.040]  And I'll address that when we come back to break.
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[01:32:30.040 --> 01:32:48.040]  Okay, we're back. Randy Kelp here. Steve's at Craig.
[01:32:48.040 --> 01:32:53.040]  We're live radio and we're talking to Eric in Washington.
[01:32:53.040 --> 01:32:58.040]  Eric, I absolutely feel your frustration.
[01:32:58.040 --> 01:33:05.040]  And, you know, I would like to be able to take on all the issues.
[01:33:05.040 --> 01:33:09.040]  Jury nullification is a big problem.
[01:33:09.040 --> 01:33:17.040]  But when you're talking about jurors being morons, I believe that is unfair.
[01:33:17.040 --> 01:33:22.040]  I think our jurors are exactly what they should be.
[01:33:22.040 --> 01:33:27.040]  Ordinary people from the local neighborhood.
[01:33:27.040 --> 01:33:34.040]  The problem is not the jurors. The problem is the judges and the prosecutors.
[01:33:34.040 --> 01:33:38.040]  The problem is also not the law.
[01:33:38.040 --> 01:33:42.040]  These problems exist from no lack of law.
[01:33:42.040 --> 01:33:49.040]  We have all the checks and balances that we need to take care of these problems.
[01:33:49.040 --> 01:33:56.040]  And we have a lot of people complaining about the jury nullification.
[01:33:56.040 --> 01:34:07.040]  My question is, if a judge has improperly instructed a jury,
[01:34:07.040 --> 01:34:14.040]  and you have knowledge of that, why haven't you charged the judge criminally
[01:34:14.040 --> 01:34:20.040]  or filed a judicial conduct complaint against the judge?
[01:34:20.040 --> 01:34:28.040]  This is how we fix it. Going around with leaflets and waving it in front of the jurors,
[01:34:28.040 --> 01:34:31.040]  it's not going to get it fixed.
[01:34:31.040 --> 01:34:35.040]  We need to go to what the source is, the source of the judges.
[01:34:35.040 --> 01:34:38.040]  If the judges aren't acting properly and appropriately,
[01:34:38.040 --> 01:34:42.040]  we need to kick them right in their professional teeth.
[01:34:42.040 --> 01:34:50.040]  And where their professional teeth are exposed, judicial conduct complaints.
[01:34:50.040 --> 01:34:55.040]  Now understand, if you file a judicial conduct complaint against a judge,
[01:34:55.040 --> 01:35:02.040]  especially if he's furthering the criminal conspiracy that all of the judges want furthered
[01:35:02.040 --> 01:35:07.040]  so that they can maintain control,
[01:35:07.040 --> 01:35:17.040]  then, okay, let me back up. I kind of feel like I'm stepping on judges harder than I should.
[01:35:17.040 --> 01:35:21.040]  You have to understand, this is all natural.
[01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:27.040]  These judges deal with cases day in, day out, and there's sheet problems.
[01:35:27.040 --> 01:35:36.040]  When jurors, they get a jury in, and they have this drug dealer, they've got absolutely dead bang,
[01:35:36.040 --> 01:35:42.040]  and the jury just doesn't want to convict him because they think he's nice,
[01:35:42.040 --> 01:35:45.040]  and it makes the judges nuts.
[01:35:45.040 --> 01:35:51.040]  So they want to kind of keep control.
[01:35:51.040 --> 01:35:56.040]  Prosecutors, they want to keep control. Everybody wants to keep control.
[01:35:56.040 --> 01:36:06.040]  And our Constitution put these no-nothing, ordinary ignorant civilians in our ways,
[01:36:06.040 --> 01:36:15.040]  and we have to do everything we can to ensure that we secure justice with this problem in our face.
[01:36:15.040 --> 01:36:25.040]  Okay, I'm saying that because I'm taking the position of a true and honest public official
[01:36:25.040 --> 01:36:29.040]  that he's doing the right thing.
[01:36:29.040 --> 01:36:33.040]  And this is the issue as they see it.
[01:36:33.040 --> 01:36:39.040]  They think we're the ones that deal with this day in, day out, and we understand how this works.
[01:36:39.040 --> 01:36:45.040]  But Kennedy v. State said in addressing this issue,
[01:36:45.040 --> 01:36:50.040]  in order to avoid the obvious evils of the accumulation of powers in anyone's office
[01:36:50.040 --> 01:36:57.040]  because the purpose of firing a criminal complaint a prosecuting attorney is not a credible person.
[01:36:57.040 --> 01:37:08.040]  And they said that because they understood that a prosecutor, no matter how much good faith he exercised,
[01:37:08.040 --> 01:37:13.040]  was focused toward prosecution, not toward justice.
[01:37:13.040 --> 01:37:22.040]  Judges are focused toward the efficient adjudication of cases, not toward justice.
[01:37:22.040 --> 01:37:27.040]  And that's why I found there's good jurors in the middle.
[01:37:27.040 --> 01:37:39.040]  It's my position that going after the jurors and accusing the jurors of anything in particular is absolutely fruitless.
[01:37:39.040 --> 01:37:48.040]  We write, but it's fruitless. That is not something we're going to be able to change.
[01:37:48.040 --> 01:38:02.040]  We won't be able to stop jury nullification at the level of the juror because they pulled the jurors from the general population.
[01:38:02.040 --> 01:38:05.040]  And then they lie to them.
[01:38:05.040 --> 01:38:08.040]  The problem is that they're lying to them.
[01:38:08.040 --> 01:38:15.040]  So it's my position and I've considered this a lot and we've had this brought up quite a bit.
[01:38:15.040 --> 01:38:25.040]  If we're going to fix it, then we have to go to the ones that are lying to them and start going after them.
[01:38:25.040 --> 01:38:29.040]  Does that make sense, Eric?
[01:38:29.040 --> 01:38:34.040]  Yes. I think I understand your position.
[01:38:34.040 --> 01:38:38.040]  But I don't think you understand my position.
[01:38:38.040 --> 01:38:39.040]  Okay.
[01:38:39.040 --> 01:38:51.040]  It seems to me that you're looking at this from a different position than I am.
[01:38:51.040 --> 01:39:13.040]  My position is that if a person is taught in a certain way, they will think in a certain way.
[01:39:13.040 --> 01:39:24.040]  And what a jury is supposed to do is to proclaim the judgments of the community.
[01:39:24.040 --> 01:39:26.040]  Would you agree with that?
[01:39:26.040 --> 01:39:29.040]  No.
[01:39:29.040 --> 01:39:48.040]  What a jury is supposed to do is determine what an ordinary person of a reasonable person of ordinary prudence would do or think or rule.
[01:39:48.040 --> 01:39:52.040]  They are not to consider the community.
[01:39:52.040 --> 01:39:58.040]  They're only to consider reasonable person of ordinary prudence.
[01:39:58.040 --> 01:40:05.040]  They're actually supposed to vote their conscience on how they regard the issue presented.
[01:40:05.040 --> 01:40:16.040]  Yes. They vote their conscience from the perspective of not what you would do in this circumstance,
[01:40:16.040 --> 01:40:24.040]  but what would an ordinary person of reasonable prudence do in this circumstance?
[01:40:24.040 --> 01:40:29.040]  You're right.
[01:40:29.040 --> 01:40:35.040]  In coming to their decision, they absolutely should vote their conscience.
[01:40:35.040 --> 01:40:43.040]  But we're talking about people who are drawn out of the general population.
[01:40:43.040 --> 01:40:51.040]  How are we going to adequately train all of these people?
[01:40:51.040 --> 01:41:09.040]  Well, excuse me, Randy, but this country was built upon the presupposition that every man, and excuse me, Deborah, and you too,
[01:41:09.040 --> 01:41:11.040]  You better be careful.
[01:41:11.040 --> 01:41:14.040]  Deborah, she worked you over.
[01:41:14.040 --> 01:41:16.040]  Well, that's why I said that.
[01:41:16.040 --> 01:41:18.040]  I'm just teasing you.
[01:41:18.040 --> 01:41:23.040]  I was raised Catholic. When you say man, you mean every human.
[01:41:23.040 --> 01:41:28.040]  We understand when you say man, you also include women. It's not a sexist.
[01:41:28.040 --> 01:41:34.040]  Yes. It's a subset of man.
[01:41:34.040 --> 01:41:38.040]  I used to say person, but Eddie won't let me say that anymore.
[01:41:38.040 --> 01:41:46.040]  I'm not going to do that anymore because the political correctness is something more than I can stand.
[01:41:46.040 --> 01:41:54.040]  Based on life experience, I also feel that there's a reason why God put woe in front of man to make woman.
[01:41:54.040 --> 01:41:58.040]  I am not going there.
[01:41:58.040 --> 01:42:03.040]  And it sure isn't to put the reins on him. I guarantee you.
[01:42:03.040 --> 01:42:18.040]  Well, you two, I just wanted to throw my two cents in there. I don't want to argue with you about this, but I think it's a very important question.
[01:42:18.040 --> 01:42:27.040]  And I'll tell you why. I can tell you about an experience in 30 seconds if you'd like to hear about it.
[01:42:27.040 --> 01:42:30.040]  Yes, please do.
[01:42:30.040 --> 01:42:37.040]  All right. I get these summons go to juries.
[01:42:37.040 --> 01:42:43.040]  And so I go there with the best intent.
[01:42:43.040 --> 01:42:52.040]  And so I go through what year and they throw me out every time, probably about half a dozen times.
[01:42:52.040 --> 01:42:58.040]  They throw me out. And I am probably about the fairest person that you can ever meet.
[01:42:58.040 --> 01:43:02.040]  And they throw me out every time.
[01:43:02.040 --> 01:43:11.040]  Okay. You have to understand they recognize that you're able to discriminate and make your own decisions.
[01:43:11.040 --> 01:43:13.040]  Yes, I think that's true.
[01:43:13.040 --> 01:43:29.040]  If you want to get on the jury, I don't be a rock, not a, not a, as they say, be as wise as a serpent, but gentle as a dove.
[01:43:29.040 --> 01:43:35.040]  Well, in this case, be as wise as a serpent, but dumb as a box of rocks when they're asking.
[01:43:35.040 --> 01:43:43.040]  Hang on, Eric. This is Randy Kelton, David Stevens, over to Craig with my radio.
[01:43:43.040 --> 01:43:49.040]  We're about to go into our last segment. We have a whole stack of callers.
[01:43:49.040 --> 01:43:57.040]  I wish I could get to them all, but I don't think we're going to be able to take as many as we can when we get back.
[01:43:57.040 --> 01:44:00.040]  We'll be right back.
[01:44:00.040 --> 01:44:04.040]  Hey, did you hear Ron Paul's announced he's running for president in 2012?
[01:44:04.040 --> 01:44:10.040]  Really? Okay, put down the cell phone for one minute. Your friends really don't care about your Twitter updates on what you had for breakfast.
[01:44:10.040 --> 01:44:13.040]  Oh, but I'd love to make those little smiley faces with punctuation marks.
[01:44:13.040 --> 01:44:20.040]  Of course you do. Now, listen closely. You need to go down to Brave New Books and learn as much as you can about Ron Paul and his message before it's too late.
[01:44:20.040 --> 01:44:28.040]  They have all of his books and many of the books he talks about. They also have t-shirts, bumper stickers, and yard signs so that you can show your support for him during the campaign.
[01:44:28.040 --> 01:44:30.040]  Brave New Books? Do they have Harry Potter and Twilight?
[01:44:30.040 --> 01:44:36.040]  No, but they do carry a large selection of survival and preparedness books to protect your family in time of emergency.
[01:44:36.040 --> 01:44:39.040]  Ugh, that sounds like that show on the Discovery Channel.
[01:44:39.040 --> 01:44:47.040]  Yeah, there's even a wilderness survival expert that teaches classes called Earthskill School that you can sign up for on the website bravenewbooksstore.com. What are you doing?
[01:44:47.040 --> 01:44:53.040]  I'm tweeting all my friends that they should go to bravenewbooksstore.com or down to the bookstore in person. Where's it located?
[01:44:53.040 --> 01:44:55.040]  1904, Guadalupe Street.
[01:44:55.040 --> 01:44:57.040]  There, it's sent. I even made a smiley face.
[01:44:57.040 --> 01:44:59.040]  Great.
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[01:46:27.040 --> 01:46:32.040]  Okay, we're back.
[01:46:32.040 --> 01:46:35.040]  And the subject is a crazy little radio.
[01:46:35.040 --> 01:46:42.040]  And we're talking to Eric in Washington about jury nullification.
[01:46:42.040 --> 01:46:46.040]  Eric, I understand this is a serious problem.
[01:46:46.040 --> 01:46:56.040]  And we personally have not addressed that issue because we have to pick our battles very carefully.
[01:46:56.040 --> 01:47:05.040]  During the show, we get every sort of issue that you can imagine is a lot more than we can get to.
[01:47:05.040 --> 01:47:22.040]  We tend to focus as specifically as we can on remedies, on things that you and I and each and all of us can actually do to make changes.
[01:47:22.040 --> 01:47:34.040]  And we haven't went to jury nullification because in a part of my position on the others is I don't think that is the real problem.
[01:47:34.040 --> 01:47:40.040]  The problem is not that it doesn't rest with the jury itself.
[01:47:40.040 --> 01:47:43.040]  It rests with the public officials.
[01:47:43.040 --> 01:47:47.040]  And we're working on ways of going after the public officials.
[01:47:47.040 --> 01:48:03.040]  Here in Texas, we will, for the next legislature, promote legislation that would require a grand jury to meet at least once a month for the purpose of hearing criminal complaints against public officials.
[01:48:03.040 --> 01:48:09.040]  These are remedy issues that were driven toward.
[01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:18.040]  And jury nullification is not one of those things that we have a way to develop remedy for.
[01:48:18.040 --> 01:48:20.040]  Does that make sense, Eric?
[01:48:20.040 --> 01:48:25.040]  You bet. You bet it does.
[01:48:25.040 --> 01:48:31.040]  There's a lot of people out there doing jury and jury nullification, and that's great.
[01:48:31.040 --> 01:48:38.040]  But what we're doing is somewhat more sophisticated than just trying to convince jurors to do different.
[01:48:38.040 --> 01:48:42.040]  So we haven't moved into that area.
[01:48:42.040 --> 01:48:44.040]  Yes.
[01:48:44.040 --> 01:48:56.040]  But my point would be that there seems to be a lot of confusion about what that is, what that really means.
[01:48:56.040 --> 01:49:02.040]  And I think to some people, that means letting criminals get off.
[01:49:02.040 --> 01:49:06.040]  And that's not what it is.
[01:49:06.040 --> 01:49:17.040]  It's about letting innocent people walk free without the punishment of this punitive prosecution.
[01:49:17.040 --> 01:49:28.040]  It's what we talked about earlier. You may beat the time, but you won't beat the ride.
[01:49:28.040 --> 01:49:31.040]  I'm sorry. Could you say that again, please?
[01:49:31.040 --> 01:49:44.040]  Yeah. I talked earlier about how the prosecutor can prosecute you and use the taxpayer's money to really work you over.
[01:49:44.040 --> 01:49:53.040]  And he don't care if you get convicted or not. When he gets done with you, you're not ever going to want to try to assert your rights again.
[01:49:53.040 --> 01:49:55.040]  Right. Exactly.
[01:49:55.040 --> 01:50:06.040]  And say, for instance, George Zimmerman, this very important, nationally important case.
[01:50:06.040 --> 01:50:15.040]  You know, the official facts are not known, but the unofficial facts are very well known.
[01:50:15.040 --> 01:50:26.040]  And the man had injuries to himself, and it appears to the layman that he was very clearly justified in doing what he did.
[01:50:26.040 --> 01:50:36.040]  And so you have this prosecutor who is prosecuting him for something that is clearly within law.
[01:50:36.040 --> 01:50:41.040]  Oh, OK. Wait a minute. That is not clear. That's my concern.
[01:50:41.040 --> 01:50:56.040]  He got this guy, this kid who's going along, minding his own business, and this neighborhood watch guy who the kid didn't necessarily know who this guy was.
[01:50:56.040 --> 01:51:06.040]  Approaches him and in an aggressive manner. This is one of those situations where everybody thought they were doing the right thing.
[01:51:06.040 --> 01:51:15.040]  I suspect that this kid felt like he had a right to protect himself from someone who was accosting him.
[01:51:15.040 --> 01:51:26.040]  And Zimmerman felt like he was doing the right thing because he's got this black kid in a not so black neighborhood.
[01:51:26.040 --> 01:51:32.040]  And he felt like he had the right to find out what the heck was going on.
[01:51:32.040 --> 01:51:44.040]  Nothing here is clear, granted that the kid should have not been quite as aggressive as he was.
[01:51:44.040 --> 01:51:52.040]  But then again, the other person had a pistol.
[01:51:52.040 --> 01:52:06.040]  So if this happened not to be somebody from the neighborhood watch, but somebody who was actually out to rob him, would this kid have been justified in fighting for his life?
[01:52:06.040 --> 01:52:10.040]  Because that is clearly what he was doing.
[01:52:10.040 --> 01:52:22.040]  Well, you know, I don't know. This is hard. This whole case, this is hard.
[01:52:22.040 --> 01:52:36.040]  That argument will be done in the national discourse. I called because I was concerned, and I love you guys, you and Edward and Eddie.
[01:52:36.040 --> 01:52:47.040]  But I am concerned that you're not paying enough attention to this thing of jury nullification.
[01:52:47.040 --> 01:52:59.040]  And so I was going to tell you a story about how they all throw me out of any jury pool.
[01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:10.040]  So let's forget all about all of that. They throw me out out of every single jury pool that I've ever been in.
[01:53:10.040 --> 01:53:20.040]  So now I just ignored them. They send me summons and I just crumpled it up and throw it away.
[01:53:20.040 --> 01:53:29.040]  And why do that? Because it's not worth my time. It's not worth my time because there's no justice involved.
[01:53:29.040 --> 01:53:37.040]  No, it's just equestering me and then telling me how I needed to decide this stupid case.
[01:53:37.040 --> 01:53:42.040]  Do you want to hear the story that I was going to tell you?
[01:53:42.040 --> 01:53:49.040]  We've got about six minutes left of the whole show.
[01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:58.040]  What is the issue? I'm kind of frustrated to say. I've never been called for a jury. I'd love to be on one.
[01:53:58.040 --> 01:54:09.040]  I'd love the opportunity to go into the jury pool and educate the pool. I think the best place...
[01:54:09.040 --> 01:54:12.040]  They would throw you out. That's what they would do.
[01:54:12.040 --> 01:54:20.040]  That's the whole point. You get an opportunity to educate the whole pool.
[01:54:20.040 --> 01:54:37.040]  You're talking about struggling against your notification. If they summoned me for a jury, I would taint the whole pool because I'd educate all of them.
[01:54:37.040 --> 01:54:43.040]  Yeah, well, you can't do it because of what, dear. They throw you out.
[01:54:43.040 --> 01:54:49.040]  Before, dear, I'd educate.
[01:54:49.040 --> 01:54:50.040]  Pardon me?
[01:54:50.040 --> 01:54:51.040]  You can't.
[01:54:51.040 --> 01:54:52.040]  Well...
[01:54:52.040 --> 01:55:01.040]  Oh, yes, I can. You're not under their thumb. This is not school. You've never been charged with a crime.
[01:55:01.040 --> 01:55:11.040]  Tell that prosecutor to shut his mouth when I'm ready to. I'll tell him you lied, SOB. You stand here in front of this jury and lied to these good people.
[01:55:11.040 --> 01:55:15.040]  That judge up there, he's a lying snake. You can do that.
[01:55:15.040 --> 01:55:20.040]  No, he is. Let me tell my story. It's not part of it.
[01:55:20.040 --> 01:55:34.040]  I stood up there before a superior court judge, and I said, you know, after one year, they said, you know, is there anyone who cannot promise to obey...
[01:55:34.040 --> 01:55:44.040]  Is there anyone here that cannot promise to do what the judge has said?
[01:55:44.040 --> 01:55:50.040]  And I said, no, I will not promise to do what the judge has said.
[01:55:50.040 --> 01:55:56.040]  And they took all the jurors out. You know, it's like 100 people in the room. They threw them out.
[01:55:56.040 --> 01:56:01.040]  And the bailiff came in and he said, okay, Mr. Swanson, come in.
[01:56:01.040 --> 01:56:16.040]  And so the judge said, Mr. Swanson, you said you will not promise to obey the judge's rule.
[01:56:16.040 --> 01:56:24.040]  I said, yes, that's right. He said, why is that? I said, because I believe in the jury's prerogative of nullification.
[01:56:24.040 --> 01:56:38.040]  And so this was a big fallarole, a big fallarole. And so finally it got to me and the judge.
[01:56:38.040 --> 01:56:45.040]  I'm talking to the judge. You're saying, Mr. Swanson, how can you do this?
[01:56:45.040 --> 01:56:55.040]  And I said, well, I believe in the prerogative jury's nullification. So, well, you know, how can you believe that?
[01:56:55.040 --> 01:57:01.040]  I said, well, no, that's not what they said. They said, what does that mean?
[01:57:01.040 --> 01:57:09.040]  And I said, it means that you, as a juror, you decide the facts and the law.
[01:57:09.040 --> 01:57:21.040]  And they went nuts. So they threw us all out and then they brought me back and they said, what do you mean?
[01:57:21.040 --> 01:57:25.040]  What do you mean that you get to decide the facts?
[01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:30.040]  I said, well, you know, what do you mean by this jury stuff?
[01:57:30.040 --> 01:57:37.040]  I said, well, you know, it means that I get to decide the facts and the law.
[01:57:37.040 --> 01:57:41.040]  And the lawyers there said, OK, OK, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:57:41.040 --> 01:57:46.040]  You're saying the same thing over and over. And I understand.
[01:57:46.040 --> 01:57:51.040]  We're just, we're almost completely out of time. We're not going anywhere.
[01:57:51.040 --> 01:58:01.040]  Thomas Jefferson very clearly stated that it is the jury that is the ultimate arbitrator.
[01:58:01.040 --> 01:58:11.040]  If the jury or the ultimate check to the balance of bad law, if a jury refuses to enforce a bad law,
[01:58:11.040 --> 01:58:18.040]  the legislature will have to change it. That's what the jury was intended to do there.
[01:58:18.040 --> 01:58:23.040]  And that's what these guys are missing. OK, I'm sorry we were completely out of time.
[01:58:23.040 --> 01:58:26.040]  For all those other callers we couldn't get to, I apologize.
[01:58:26.040 --> 01:58:32.040]  This is Randy Count and Deborah Stevens and Craig, we have our radio. Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:32.040 --> 01:58:37.040]  Eddie and Deborah will be back Monday. All of us will be back Thursday.
[01:58:37.040 --> 01:58:45.040]  8 o'clock Central. Monday is our traffic show and then pretty well open the other days.
[01:58:45.040 --> 01:58:50.040]  Thank you for being with us and good night.
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