[00:00.000 --> 00:05.000] This news brief brought to you by the International Newsnet. [00:05.000 --> 00:10.160] Mark Lewis, a British lawyer acting for phone hacking victims, said Friday he will launch [00:10.160 --> 00:15.200] legal action in the U.S. against directors of the news of the world's parent company, [00:15.200 --> 00:16.200] News Corp. [00:16.200 --> 00:21.000] Lewis said he'll seek depositions from the company's directors, including Hubert Murdoch [00:21.000 --> 00:22.560] and his son James. [00:22.560 --> 00:28.000] Lewis said News Corp's now defunct paper broke not only British law, but potentially [00:28.000 --> 00:30.000] U.S. law as well. [00:30.000 --> 00:36.000] A West Bank man was killed Friday as Palestinians calling for UN recognition of a Palestinian [00:36.000 --> 00:39.000] state were attacked by Israeli soldiers and settlers. [00:39.000 --> 00:44.000] The violence came just hours before President Mahmoud Abbas delivered the statehood request [00:44.000 --> 00:46.000] to the world body. [00:46.000 --> 00:50.000] 200 settlers burned and uprooted trees near the village of Kusra. [00:50.000 --> 00:54.000] Israeli troops arrived and fired tear gas, then live rounds. [00:54.000 --> 00:56.000] Settlers also fired weapons. [00:56.000 --> 01:04.000] Karen Piper, an innocent bystander who suffered permanent hearing loss after Pittsburgh police [01:04.000 --> 01:11.000] deployed a long-range acoustic device against protesters during the 2009 G20 summit as filed [01:11.000 --> 01:13.000] a federal lawsuit against the city. [01:13.000 --> 01:20.000] While Piper was trying to leave the protest, police activated a sonic bomb a short distance away. [01:20.000 --> 01:25.000] She immediately became nauseous and dizzy and felt fluid flowing from her ear. [01:25.000 --> 01:31.000] The FBI this week promised a comprehensive review of training and reference materials [01:31.000 --> 01:36.000] after Wired magazine revealed a series of bureau presentations that tarred average Muslims [01:36.000 --> 01:38.000] as radical and violent. [01:38.000 --> 01:43.000] In addition to inflammatory seminars which likened Islam to the Death Star and Mohammed [01:43.000 --> 01:49.000] to a cult leader, Wired recently obtained material showing widespread Islamophobia in the bureau. [01:49.000 --> 01:56.000] The FBI library at Quantico carries books from authors who claim Islam and democracy are totally incompatible [01:56.000 --> 02:00.000] and one book that claims Barack Obama was once a practicing Muslim. [02:00.000 --> 02:07.000] The bureau's intranet recently featured presentations that claim to demonstrate the inherently violent nature of Islam. [02:07.000 --> 02:12.000] Earlier this year the bureau's Washington field office hosted a speaker who claimed Islamic law [02:12.000 --> 02:15.000] prevents Muslims from being loyal Americans. [02:15.000 --> 02:20.000] Last week online orientation material for the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Forces [02:20.000 --> 02:25.000] included claims that Sunni Islam seeks, quote, domination of the world. [02:25.000 --> 02:31.000] The Electronic Frontier Foundation published documents this week showing the US Army [02:31.000 --> 02:35.000] tried to investigate participants at a conference on Islamic law [02:35.000 --> 02:40.000] and illegally issued national security letters to telecom providers. [02:40.000 --> 02:45.000] The rights group which obtained the documents through a freedom of information lawsuit [02:45.000 --> 02:51.000] said two Army lawyers attended a 2004 conference on Islamic law at the University of Texas Law School [02:51.000 --> 02:54.000] without disclosing their military affiliation. [02:54.000 --> 02:59.000] Also in 2004 an Army Special Agent issued three national security letters [02:59.000 --> 03:11.000] for customer phone records to a telecom company. [03:30.000 --> 03:39.000] Bad boys, what you want, what you want, what you gonna do [03:39.000 --> 03:44.000] when sherry sun don't come for you [03:44.000 --> 03:51.000] tell me, what you gonna do, what you gonna do [03:51.000 --> 03:59.000] bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you [03:59.000 --> 04:04.000] what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you [04:04.000 --> 04:07.000] when you were eight and you had that trade [04:07.000 --> 04:10.000] you go to school and earn the gold and lose [04:10.000 --> 04:13.000] so why are you acting like a bloody fool [04:13.000 --> 04:15.000] if you get, then you must just prove [04:15.000 --> 04:26.000] bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you [04:26.000 --> 04:33.000] what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you [04:33.000 --> 04:37.000] this is the rule of law [04:37.000 --> 04:45.000] tonight is Friday, September 23rd, 2011, bad boys, bad boys and bad girls [04:45.000 --> 04:48.000] what are you going to do when we come for you [04:48.000 --> 04:51.000] this is ruleoflawradio.com, I'm Deborah Stevens [04:51.000 --> 04:55.000] I'm here with my esteemed co-host Randy Kelton and Eddie Craig [04:55.000 --> 04:58.000] and tonight back by popular demand [04:58.000 --> 05:01.000] my favorite guest we've got Harman Taylor with us again tonight [05:01.000 --> 05:05.000] and we invited Harman on tonight in response to this attorney [05:05.000 --> 05:10.000] that called in on Monday trying to argue that the transportation code [05:10.000 --> 05:13.000] in every state applies to travelers [05:13.000 --> 05:17.000] and so we invited him to call, we invited, this was Scott from Georgia [05:17.000 --> 05:20.000] and so we invited Scott to call back in tonight [05:20.000 --> 05:24.000] and we've brought on our very esteemed guest Mr. Harman Taylor [05:24.000 --> 05:26.000] who is a former attorney himself [05:26.000 --> 05:30.000] and so we're gonna be discussing the transportation code tonight amongst other things [05:30.000 --> 05:34.000] so Eddie, you wanna introduce the topics? [05:34.000 --> 05:41.000] Sure thing, okay, now this all began when Steve Skidmore [05:41.000 --> 05:44.000] which is one of the folks that I'm staying with here [05:44.000 --> 05:49.000] he was on a sous-juice form and this attorney was there [05:49.000 --> 05:54.000] and Steve was talking about how the right to travel [05:54.000 --> 05:59.000] and the operation of transportation for the purpose of commerce [05:59.000 --> 06:03.000] are not intermixed as everybody's being told and led to believe it is [06:03.000 --> 06:08.000] they are separate issues and separate in respect that one's a right [06:08.000 --> 06:10.000] versus the other is a privilege. [06:10.000 --> 06:15.000] This attorney, immediately apparently, I haven't read the postings [06:15.000 --> 06:18.000] but just based upon the description Steve was giving me [06:18.000 --> 06:22.000] this attorney Scott immediately started attacking the postings [06:22.000 --> 06:26.000] as being complete misstatements of the law. [06:26.000 --> 06:29.000] Now I spent 17 plus years studying these statutes [06:29.000 --> 06:31.000] as far as the Texas statutes are concerned [06:31.000 --> 06:34.000] and studying the federal statutes under Title 49. [06:34.000 --> 06:38.000] Believe me when I tell you there's nothing wrong with saying [06:38.000 --> 06:45.000] that transportation and the right to travel are not even in the same division [06:45.000 --> 06:49.000] of what they are and what they mean to the public. [06:49.000 --> 06:53.000] Now Harman has had experience in this area [06:53.000 --> 06:57.000] Harman was an attorney till he gave up his bar card [06:57.000 --> 07:00.000] for seeing the evil for what it was [07:00.000 --> 07:05.000] and he decided to not be held enslaved to it any longer [07:05.000 --> 07:08.000] would be my description of what he did [07:08.000 --> 07:12.000] but the point being that he himself has studied these statutes [07:12.000 --> 07:14.000] and has understood exactly the same thing [07:14.000 --> 07:16.000] for exactly the same reasons [07:16.000 --> 07:20.000] that the government cannot tax or regulate a right [07:20.000 --> 07:24.000] because all they have to do to take the right away [07:24.000 --> 07:28.000] is to set the amount of the tax or the requirements for the license [07:28.000 --> 07:31.000] to go high as to make them unattainable [07:31.000 --> 07:35.000] and thus they deprive whoever of that right. [07:35.000 --> 07:39.000] Now Harman, what would be your input on this [07:39.000 --> 07:42.000] from that perspective to get us rolling here? [07:42.000 --> 07:46.000] You've got a great intro and of course it's always great to be here. [07:46.000 --> 07:49.000] Foundationally you hit the nail on the head [07:49.000 --> 07:51.000] in a couple of different ways. [07:51.000 --> 07:56.000] There is a very clear right to travel. [07:56.000 --> 08:02.000] There is equally clear privilege that goes by the name driving [08:02.000 --> 08:07.000] or operating that which is regulated under the transportation code [08:07.000 --> 08:14.000] is transportation and that's the exercise of the privilege [08:14.000 --> 08:18.000] to engage in that line of commerce called transportation. [08:18.000 --> 08:22.000] Beyond transportation is the right to travel. [08:22.000 --> 08:28.000] The right to travel is not regulable. [08:28.000 --> 08:33.000] Okay, now one of the things this attorney asked me on the show [08:33.000 --> 08:37.000] or put back in these postings I should say on Sui Juris was [08:37.000 --> 08:41.000] you're making the assertion show me the case law. [08:41.000 --> 08:44.000] Well the thing is I'm not making any assertions. [08:44.000 --> 08:47.000] What I'm saying is based upon the case law [08:47.000 --> 08:50.000] which Steve posted copies of on the forum [08:50.000 --> 08:53.000] so why was asking for repetitive information? [08:53.000 --> 08:55.000] I don't know but he was. [08:55.000 --> 08:59.000] Plus the fact that he was saying how can you say that this is the only way [08:59.000 --> 09:01.000] the courts have ever defined the term. [09:01.000 --> 09:04.000] Now this gentleman Scott said that he was an attorney [09:04.000 --> 09:07.000] or is an attorney and has been for 13 years. [09:07.000 --> 09:10.000] So my first question would be this. [09:10.000 --> 09:14.000] If you're such a good attorney as you said you were [09:14.000 --> 09:17.000] why is it you do not know that the law of dictionaries [09:17.000 --> 09:20.000] give you the case law you're asking for? [09:20.000 --> 09:23.000] The term itself is defined by the case law [09:23.000 --> 09:26.000] and the dictionary shows you what the case law is. [09:26.000 --> 09:30.000] And when the dictionary says this is the definition of this term [09:30.000 --> 09:33.000] and private travel is not encompassed in that definition [09:33.000 --> 09:37.000] what else would you like me to provide you with? [09:37.000 --> 09:40.000] The only thing I can do different is take a hammer with the word [09:40.000 --> 09:45.000] right to travel on it and smack it against your forehead to make it sink in. [09:45.000 --> 09:48.000] There's not much left in that respect. [09:48.000 --> 09:50.000] You want case law? [09:50.000 --> 09:51.000] Look in the dictionary. [09:51.000 --> 09:53.000] It's right there. [09:53.000 --> 09:56.000] And usually, Harman correct me if I'm wrong, [09:56.000 --> 10:01.000] but when this word is given to the people to publish in the dictionary [10:01.000 --> 10:09.000] the case law that cited is to be the controlling case law on that definition. [10:09.000 --> 10:12.000] Typically. [10:12.000 --> 10:18.000] So I don't see how I could supply him with anything more than the legal dictionary. [10:18.000 --> 10:24.000] Now, the other argument he made was that the black's dictionary is used by the Supreme Court. [10:24.000 --> 10:30.000] Yes, it is to a degree, but it is not their base dictionary. [10:30.000 --> 10:37.000] Bouvier's is, but there are terms in black's law that did not exist in 1856 [10:37.000 --> 10:42.000] when Bouvier's was last done that the Supreme Court relies on. [10:42.000 --> 10:48.000] The new terminology is in black's or in something like Andersen's or something to that effect. [10:48.000 --> 10:54.000] Those new terms would have to be taken from a newer dictionary, obviously. [10:54.000 --> 10:58.000] But from my experience and the information that I've had when I've talked [10:58.000 --> 11:01.000] I've actually got to talk to a couple of Supreme Court clerks [11:01.000 --> 11:08.000] and they say that until a definition comes about that they're not using from Bouvier's [11:08.000 --> 11:12.000] because it doesn't exist, that's what they rely on first and foremost. [11:12.000 --> 11:16.000] Then they'll see how the case law has been used to reinterpret it [11:16.000 --> 11:20.000] and whether or not they wish to say, well, the court aired or the court didn't air [11:20.000 --> 11:28.000] because their definition that they came up with was consistent with the original understanding. [11:28.000 --> 11:35.000] Now again, how far off the mark I'm on that basing it on that information? [11:35.000 --> 11:41.000] The concept of definition in the area of transportation is a fascinating one. [11:41.000 --> 11:48.000] The term transportation itself is nowhere defined in any of the state codes. [11:48.000 --> 11:53.000] Another key term not defined is the phrase this state, which is a choice of law matter, [11:53.000 --> 11:59.000] not a geographic reference venue matter, it's a choice of law term. [11:59.000 --> 12:01.000] It's not defined either. [12:01.000 --> 12:06.000] Transportation is probably the key term that's not defined. [12:06.000 --> 12:10.000] It just has struck me as kind of confessional. [12:10.000 --> 12:17.000] They've got a transportation code that doesn't define what its scope is. [12:17.000 --> 12:21.000] It doesn't define what it's there for, that's presumed. [12:21.000 --> 12:28.000] It's not that we can't come up with a definition of transportation, [12:28.000 --> 12:31.000] but we have to do some digging to do so. [12:31.000 --> 12:39.000] So when we come to definitions, of course, the very first place to start is in the statute itself. [12:39.000 --> 12:45.000] And where the statute doesn't define the term, then we can go to the dictionaries if necessary. [12:45.000 --> 12:51.000] But where the entire point of the transportation codes to regulate transportation, [12:51.000 --> 12:59.000] it makes sense that we start there, and that's the definition that we don't have. [12:59.000 --> 13:04.000] So they have to go to case law or something else to come up with it, [13:04.000 --> 13:09.000] but of course transportation is commercial activity. [13:09.000 --> 13:20.000] And that's the foundational concept of everything about regulatory activity anywhere in our current situation. [13:20.000 --> 13:25.000] The regulatory activity works for commerce, [13:25.000 --> 13:32.000] and those who engaged in that line of commerce agree to be regulated by those standards. [13:32.000 --> 13:41.000] I found it kind of odd in his assertion that I'm asserting a certain position, so I'm the one that has to prove it. [13:41.000 --> 13:46.000] I'm not asserting a position, I'm simply reciting the case law decisions on the subject. [13:46.000 --> 13:52.000] The differing assertion is coming from this attorney Scott in Georgia [13:52.000 --> 13:56.000] that the courts have defined it to mean something other than just commerce. [13:56.000 --> 13:58.000] He's making that assertion. [13:58.000 --> 14:03.000] That is an opposing assertion that he needs to prove. [14:03.000 --> 14:08.000] I don't have to disprove it, he has to prove his assertion correct. [14:08.000 --> 14:16.000] Mine's easy enough, it's in the definition of the term itself and the case law that made it. [14:16.000 --> 14:25.000] I mean, I don't have to redefine what the dictionary already has when it cites the specific case that made that definition. [14:25.000 --> 14:38.000] It's really difficult when we come at this sort of thing from the traditional trained mindset to read the term and the definitions of the terms in the code [14:38.000 --> 14:43.000] and then analyze it for the scam that it is. [14:43.000 --> 14:46.000] That is a wicked paradigm shift. [14:46.000 --> 14:52.000] Most don't really want to know how wicked a paradigm shift it is. [14:52.000 --> 14:57.000] We can look at the code and look at the terms that are defined there [14:57.000 --> 15:07.000] and get the conclusion that applies to everything as broadly as it is enforced. [15:07.000 --> 15:23.000] And we can read the cases and see the detail of the word choice in them. [15:23.000 --> 15:33.000] And where we start with the understanding that driving is ubiquitous and that it is a generic term, not a specific term, [15:33.000 --> 15:44.000] then we get to the conclusion that most people have and that is if you're out in an automobile, [15:44.000 --> 15:51.000] you've got to have a license and you've got to obey all the rules and rules and that's exactly what everyone's taught to believe. [15:51.000 --> 15:59.000] Dig a little further into it, of course, and understand that transportation is the key to everything. [15:59.000 --> 16:04.000] Then we reread everything in terms of what it's really saying. [16:04.000 --> 16:18.000] And what it's really saying is a conveyance used for transportation is a vehicle. [16:18.000 --> 16:22.000] The party behind the wheel of a vehicle is a driver or an operator. [16:22.000 --> 16:29.000] Behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, which is a conveyance used for transportation, it's got a motor in it. [16:29.000 --> 16:39.000] It is a driver or an operator and the discipline transportation code will associate vehicle and driver and motor vehicle and operator [16:39.000 --> 16:42.000] or commercial motor vehicle and operator. [16:42.000 --> 16:51.000] But at the end of the day, the distinctions start with understanding transportation. [16:51.000 --> 16:54.000] Okay, Harman, hold it right there because we're going to break. [16:54.000 --> 16:56.000] I thought I was hearing music. [16:56.000 --> 16:58.000] Yeah, we'll be right back, folks. [16:58.000 --> 17:22.000] In the 80s, we're headed to Reagan, a debt-sealing compromise. Democrats promising spending cuts but delivering only tax ideas. [17:22.000 --> 17:28.000] The next chapter will be written, a defining moment. [17:28.000 --> 17:33.000] $14 trillion in debt makes us unemployed, the dollar in decline. [17:33.000 --> 17:35.000] We know where they stand. 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[19:18.000 --> 19:21.000] I hope Scott from Georgia is listening right now. [19:21.000 --> 19:27.000] If you want to call in and argue with Harmon, please feel free, state your position. [19:27.000 --> 19:33.000] We've got another attorney here, a former attorney of practice for over 12 years. [19:33.000 --> 19:36.000] So I think Harmon knows what he's talking about. [19:36.000 --> 19:38.000] Alright, so Harmon, please continue. [19:38.000 --> 19:43.000] You're discussing this definition of transportation. [19:43.000 --> 19:46.000] Yes, let's discuss what the meaning of the term is. [19:46.000 --> 20:04.000] It's not defined in the codes, which should be the information that anybody studying into this needs to realize that there's a little bit more at issue here than what even the cops are told. [20:04.000 --> 20:24.000] Transportation means removing people and or property from here to there for profit or hire under the choice of law of the place called this state. [20:24.000 --> 20:26.000] There's four pieces to that. [20:26.000 --> 20:30.000] Three of them are out there in the case law and the discussions. [20:30.000 --> 20:41.000] At least two of those pieces we find in the discussions of transportation at the national level, sometimes labeled the federal level. [20:41.000 --> 20:57.000] But the fourth element I add so as to help teach the reason why the trucks coming out of Mexico are not necessarily subject to state or national transportation regs. [20:57.000 --> 21:13.000] So let's go over the definition again, removing people and or property from here to there for profit or hire under the choice of law of the place called this state. [21:13.000 --> 21:19.000] Let's give an example of this fourth element just to put it to bed. [21:19.000 --> 21:29.000] The cab driver has the what's the what's the popular color of cab in and around Austin? [21:29.000 --> 21:30.000] Yellow. [21:30.000 --> 21:31.000] Yellow. [21:31.000 --> 21:32.000] Okay. [21:32.000 --> 21:35.000] The cab driver has the yellow painted cab. [21:35.000 --> 21:42.000] It's the conveyance that looks like the traditional cab with lots of trunk room and lots of space around. [21:42.000 --> 21:49.000] He's got all the advertisement painted around. He's got the meter in there. He's got all the rates. [21:49.000 --> 21:57.000] And instead of being paid in Federal Reserve notes, he gets paid in silver. [21:57.000 --> 22:05.000] Is he engaging in activity regulable under the transportation code? [22:05.000 --> 22:06.000] No. [22:06.000 --> 22:08.000] Absolutely not. [22:08.000 --> 22:09.000] This is correct. [22:09.000 --> 22:10.000] He's not. [22:10.000 --> 22:11.000] Why? [22:11.000 --> 22:14.000] Because there's no commerce in this state. [22:14.000 --> 22:15.000] Nope. [22:15.000 --> 22:18.000] Now we could say, okay, what about gold? [22:18.000 --> 22:24.000] That may actually bring him in this state because this state recognizes gold contracts. [22:24.000 --> 22:33.000] And there's some pretty interesting, not many, but two I can think of a federal appellate opinions. [22:33.000 --> 22:43.000] It recognizes the reinstatement of a gold clause and one doesn't, but I mean they're fascinating opinions and fundamentally gold is recognized in this state. [22:43.000 --> 22:50.000] So we want to be really, really, really sure that the transaction is not within this state. [22:50.000 --> 22:53.000] We use silver or anything besides gold and funny money. [22:53.000 --> 22:56.000] Maybe you want to use a bushel of weed or something like that. [22:56.000 --> 22:58.000] They ought to qualify. [22:58.000 --> 23:03.000] But anyway, the point is choice of laws, everything. [23:03.000 --> 23:04.000] Choice of laws, everything. [23:04.000 --> 23:14.000] We're not in transportation in this state unless we're doing transportation and getting paid for it in funny money or gold. [23:14.000 --> 23:17.000] You had a thought or a question or something in there? [23:17.000 --> 23:18.000] Oh no. [23:18.000 --> 23:19.000] No. [23:19.000 --> 23:20.000] Keep going. [23:20.000 --> 23:28.000] I do for those who aren't well schooled in what we're speaking to. [23:28.000 --> 23:42.000] When we're speaking to trading in anything other than gold or funny money, we're speaking to barter and transfer of trade of goods and commodities. [23:42.000 --> 23:51.000] Your position is that the only time we are legally in commerce is when we're using the detender. [23:51.000 --> 23:52.000] Is that correct? [23:52.000 --> 23:56.000] We're in commerce doing anything. [23:56.000 --> 24:04.000] We're in regular commerce when we're doing it under the choice of law of this state. [24:04.000 --> 24:11.000] And what would specifically bring us under the choice of law of this state? [24:11.000 --> 24:24.000] The most common mechanism for bringing the choice of law of this state into the deal is funny money. [24:24.000 --> 24:34.000] Any mention of the term dollar will typically bring the transaction into this state. [24:34.000 --> 24:44.000] If we can understand this concept, we understand what happened when the money system changed mid to late 1960s. [24:44.000 --> 24:51.000] Silver was still in circulation up to about 1965. [24:51.000 --> 25:02.000] Of course, not to get into a whole lot of details here, but the reason they assassinated Kennedy was to be able to get rid of the general circulation of honest weights and measures. [25:02.000 --> 25:11.000] He did not go along with the international banking cartels plan about changing out the law of the nation. [25:11.000 --> 25:13.000] He just didn't go for it. [25:13.000 --> 25:23.000] And obviously, he was in a position to stop it, or they would have found some mechanism other than a bullet to get him out of office. [25:23.000 --> 25:40.000] But a dramatic and public assassination like that is no real difference from a dramatic and public bombing of a federal building, say, in Mobile City, to make the point that if you mess with us, we're going to kill you. [25:40.000 --> 25:56.000] And that was the point to the Kennedy family. And it's interesting now to see that unraveling 40 and 50 years after the fact, but we'll talk about that part of it later. [25:56.000 --> 26:09.000] The thing here about the money and the choice of law is that's how the entire Scream and Stink and System we're dealing with functions, where we say, yes, let us transact in funny money. [26:09.000 --> 26:17.000] We are saying, yes, let's use the choice of law that makes all this regulatory stuff apply. [26:17.000 --> 26:29.000] Let's agree right off the bat that we are in your choice of law, and let's prove that by agreeing that the medium of exchange is funny money. [26:29.000 --> 26:36.000] Now, there are several indicia choice of law, and we don't need really to go into all of that here. [26:36.000 --> 26:46.000] But the money is at the root of it. And of course, the foundational thing we're talking about here is the cabbie. [26:46.000 --> 27:04.000] And where the cabbie gets paid in silver, he's got a totally different circumstance. [27:04.000 --> 27:20.000] And we'll just see this starting to dawn in the minds of people doing this. And if, for example, we're not a cabbie, we're a traveler, the issue of money not even an issue, why? [27:20.000 --> 27:30.000] Because we're not in the business of removing people and or property from here, there for profit or hire under any choice of law. [27:30.000 --> 27:40.000] That's just not what we're doing. But the value in talking about the money is to get in the mind, the concept that there is, in fact, a difference. [27:40.000 --> 27:45.000] There's a difference between the commercial world and the non-commercial world. [27:45.000 --> 27:52.000] And the regulable commercial world is the world that uses funny money. [27:52.000 --> 28:00.000] The money and the choice of law go hand in glove. They go hand in glove. [28:00.000 --> 28:05.000] And so where we use their funny money, we are saying, yes, please regulate me. [28:05.000 --> 28:20.000] Not necessarily, but the point is, where we don't appreciate the difference and everything is made to appear to be law, it's because all of the pieces that make their case work are there. [28:20.000 --> 28:24.000] And we don't know enough about it to object to it. [28:24.000 --> 28:35.000] But anyway, anyway, transportation, removing people and or property from here to there for profit or hire under the choice of law of the place called this state. [28:35.000 --> 28:44.000] Are the Mexican trucks agreeing to be regulated under the choice of law of the place called this state? No, at least they weren't when all of that started. [28:44.000 --> 28:55.000] Maybe they are now. I don't know. They haven't chased it. For our purposes, that's way out in the next 10-year plan or something. [28:55.000 --> 29:04.000] The big industrial transportation group wants to slow down federal regs. They're going to have to learn how to get paid in silver. [29:04.000 --> 29:14.000] For all the rest of us, we're traveling. We're not engaging in transportation. And so we don't even have to worry about that. [29:14.000 --> 29:26.000] We just need to be able to articulate competently and confidently from the outset that we're just not in transportation right now. [29:26.000 --> 29:30.000] We're just not doing that. [29:30.000 --> 29:36.000] So that's transportation. Transportation, let's look at vehicles. There's six terms. [29:36.000 --> 29:38.000] I'm hearing music. [29:38.000 --> 29:43.000] Yes, the music. Okay, we'll hear about the six terms when we get back on the other side, folks. [29:43.000 --> 29:47.000] This is the Rule of Law, ruleoflawradio.com. [29:47.000 --> 29:52.000] Listeners, if you have a question for Harmon Taylor, you're welcome to call in 512-646-1984. [29:52.000 --> 29:59.000] Scott, if you're out there and you want to debate with Harmon, please call in 512-646-1984. [29:59.000 --> 30:05.000] This is Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper that fell on the afternoon of September 11. [30:05.000 --> 30:12.000] The government says that fire brought it down. However, 1,500 architects and engineers have concluded it was a controlled demolition. [30:12.000 --> 30:15.000] Over 6,000 of my fellow service members have given their lives. [30:15.000 --> 30:18.000] And thousands of my fellow first responders have died. [30:18.000 --> 30:19.000] I'm not a conspiracy theorist. 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[33:22.000 --> 33:24.000] Six key terms for transportation. [33:24.000 --> 33:29.000] Of course, transportation is the most essential and fundamental term. [33:29.000 --> 33:32.000] And we've talked about that definition. [33:32.000 --> 33:42.000] The additional five are vehicle, driver, motor vehicle, operator, [33:42.000 --> 33:47.000] and the phrase, this state. [33:47.000 --> 33:55.000] If and when we come to an understanding of the meaning of these six terms, [33:55.000 --> 34:06.000] then we will be able to articulate competently our defense in any basic transportation case. [34:06.000 --> 34:12.000] Talking here about the person that takes himself to and from work in the grocery store [34:12.000 --> 34:18.000] and traveling to visit family, friends, and neighbors. [34:18.000 --> 34:21.000] You know, just the basic run of the bell things. [34:21.000 --> 34:23.000] What's a vehicle? [34:23.000 --> 34:28.000] It's a conveyance that is used for transportation. [34:28.000 --> 34:30.000] What's transportation? [34:30.000 --> 34:33.000] Removing people and or property from here to there for profit or hire [34:33.000 --> 34:36.000] under the choice of law of the place called this state. [34:36.000 --> 34:40.000] The vehicle is used for that purpose. [34:40.000 --> 34:49.000] If the conveyance is not used for that purpose, guess why? [34:49.000 --> 34:54.000] It's not a vehicle. [34:54.000 --> 34:59.000] So transportation vehicle, what's a driver? [34:59.000 --> 35:03.000] Driver is the party behind the wheel of the vehicle. [35:03.000 --> 35:07.000] So let's just continue with the statutory algebra. [35:07.000 --> 35:11.000] If we're not in transportation, there's already no vehicle. [35:11.000 --> 35:17.000] If there's no transportation and no vehicle, it's legally impossible for there to be a driver. [35:17.000 --> 35:21.000] Now that doesn't mean there's not a conveyance there. [35:21.000 --> 35:27.000] It's got four wheels and motor exhaust pipe, gas in the tank, and the seat belts and all that. [35:27.000 --> 35:30.000] We're not saying that the thing doesn't exist. [35:30.000 --> 35:37.000] We're talking extremely semantically here, extremely semantically. [35:37.000 --> 35:41.000] And we're saying that there's no vehicle. [35:41.000 --> 35:42.000] What does that mean? [35:42.000 --> 35:44.000] No transportation. [35:44.000 --> 35:46.000] No vehicle, no driver. [35:46.000 --> 35:50.000] There's a driver, person behind the wheel of the vehicle. [35:50.000 --> 35:54.000] And as we understand, I call it statutory algebra. [35:54.000 --> 36:00.000] When we get into algebra, eventually we learn how to do two variables and two unknowns. [36:00.000 --> 36:10.000] And the mechanism for solving that system of equations for x and y, you got two unknowns, you have to have two equations. [36:10.000 --> 36:19.000] So the point is, when we have this mechanism going on in the statutes, it's just extremely basic algebra. [36:19.000 --> 36:21.000] We substitute in. [36:21.000 --> 36:24.000] So we substitute in for transportation. [36:24.000 --> 36:26.000] It's definition. [36:26.000 --> 36:33.000] And we don't see the term transportation very often beyond the term vehicle. [36:33.000 --> 36:39.000] Transportation comes into the illegal analysis typically through the term vehicle. [36:39.000 --> 36:40.000] Vehicle, we'll find. [36:40.000 --> 36:42.000] The term transportation, we won't. [36:42.000 --> 36:48.000] But every time we see vehicle, we have with it the term transportation. [36:48.000 --> 36:53.000] Okay, driver brings in the term vehicle. [36:53.000 --> 36:55.000] Driver's party behind the wheel of the vehicle. [36:55.000 --> 36:57.000] Okay, motor vehicle. [36:57.000 --> 36:58.000] What's a motor vehicle? [36:58.000 --> 37:00.000] It's a vehicle with a motor in it. [37:00.000 --> 37:07.000] We can read these statutes and get cold feet about the whole matter. [37:07.000 --> 37:13.000] We can read these statutes and say, holy Toledo, they cover everything. [37:13.000 --> 37:20.000] And they don't, there's nothing about these definitions that goes beyond the scope of transportation. [37:20.000 --> 37:23.000] They'll never be construed beyond that. [37:23.000 --> 37:24.000] Why? [37:24.000 --> 37:29.000] Because they will be, by default, construed to make them legit. [37:29.000 --> 37:34.000] There is no way the legislature can regulate the right to travel. [37:34.000 --> 37:36.000] What can they regulate? [37:36.000 --> 37:45.000] The privilege of exercising transportation, exercising the privilege of transportation. [37:45.000 --> 37:47.000] What can the legislature regulate? [37:47.000 --> 37:48.000] Commerce. [37:48.000 --> 37:50.000] How does commerce come in? [37:50.000 --> 37:53.000] Privilege of engaging in transportation. [37:53.000 --> 37:56.000] That's what's regulated, not the right to travel. [37:56.000 --> 37:59.000] Can I say something here, Harmon? [37:59.000 --> 38:03.000] I just wanted to make a comment about this right to travel thing. [38:03.000 --> 38:10.000] I believe there are dozens of Supreme Court case rulings concerning the right to travel. [38:10.000 --> 38:16.000] And also, I wanted to make a comment just from my libertarian perspective regarding the regulation, [38:16.000 --> 38:21.000] the government regulation of transportation and the fact that it's a privilege. [38:21.000 --> 38:27.000] And the reason that that is is because you're dealing with the public roads. [38:27.000 --> 38:29.000] They belong to all of us. [38:29.000 --> 38:31.000] We pay for them. [38:31.000 --> 38:40.000] And so we have the right, fundamentally, to travel on them without harassment or taxation or regulation by the government [38:40.000 --> 38:42.000] because it's our property. [38:42.000 --> 38:43.000] It's public property. [38:43.000 --> 38:44.000] It belongs to us. [38:44.000 --> 38:57.000] However, if you want to make your living and have a vocation and make a profit off of the public roads that belong to us, [38:57.000 --> 38:59.000] that's a privilege. [38:59.000 --> 39:04.000] And now you are entering into a situation where you can be regulated by the government [39:04.000 --> 39:08.000] because it's a privilege to make money off of the road systems that it belongs to us, [39:08.000 --> 39:11.000] but it is a right to travel on them. [39:11.000 --> 39:15.000] So just wanted to make that little libertarian rant there. [39:15.000 --> 39:16.000] Okay, Harmon, continue. [39:16.000 --> 39:17.000] It's a good one. [39:17.000 --> 39:23.000] Rent, libertarian at these points whenever the mood strikes. [39:23.000 --> 39:27.000] It's a very good distinction there. [39:27.000 --> 39:28.000] It's very good. [39:28.000 --> 39:30.000] Okay, so we're up to motor vehicle. [39:30.000 --> 39:31.000] What's a motor vehicle? [39:31.000 --> 39:33.000] It's a vehicle with a motor in it. [39:33.000 --> 39:38.000] Vehicle, motor vehicle, the definitions there seem to cover the entire waterfront, [39:38.000 --> 39:46.000] and this is why it is so critical that we go back to the understanding of what we're talking about. [39:46.000 --> 39:49.000] And what we're talking about is transportation. [39:49.000 --> 39:57.000] Okay, what we're talking about is making a profit in the use of the public roadways. [39:57.000 --> 40:07.000] Okay, so where we understand that the term transportation is dragged along very quietly, [40:07.000 --> 40:12.000] very subtly, with all of these definitions, then we go back to transportation. [40:12.000 --> 40:14.000] It's not there. [40:14.000 --> 40:21.000] Transportation is specifically excluded so what so that the people don't really understand [40:21.000 --> 40:24.000] that they really don't have to have a license. [40:24.000 --> 40:27.000] You hide the main term. [40:27.000 --> 40:28.000] People don't read it. [40:28.000 --> 40:29.000] They don't think about it. [40:29.000 --> 40:35.000] They're not given permission to think about it so that they will just do as they're told [40:35.000 --> 40:37.000] and not ask questions. [40:37.000 --> 40:39.000] That's a good prussian. [40:39.000 --> 40:41.000] Do what you're told and don't ask questions. [40:41.000 --> 40:43.000] That's a good prussian. [40:43.000 --> 40:54.000] The mechanism then is motor vehicle brings in the term vehicle, which brings in the term transportation, [40:54.000 --> 40:59.000] which instantly limits all of these terms to that commercial activity called transportation. [40:59.000 --> 41:01.000] Operator, who's the operator? [41:01.000 --> 41:08.000] Operator is the party behind, typically, in the disciplined transportation code or motor vehicle code. [41:08.000 --> 41:13.000] In the disciplined motor vehicle code, driver will be associated with vehicle and operator [41:13.000 --> 41:15.000] will be associated with motor vehicle. [41:15.000 --> 41:20.000] That is not necessarily how any particular state does it. [41:20.000 --> 41:25.000] In Texas, it's actually backwards from that. [41:25.000 --> 41:28.000] The driver and motor vehicle are associated. [41:28.000 --> 41:31.000] Not that driver and vehicle are not associated. [41:31.000 --> 41:41.000] It's just that in Texas, the concept tends to be a little bit reversed from the disciplined motor vehicle code. [41:41.000 --> 41:42.000] It doesn't matter. [41:42.000 --> 41:47.000] The only time any of it matters is when one's engaging in transportation and when one is not engaging [41:47.000 --> 41:50.000] in transportation, all of the rest of these things fall. [41:50.000 --> 41:53.000] Operator is the party behind the wheel of what? [41:53.000 --> 41:55.000] The motor vehicle. [41:55.000 --> 41:59.000] Okay, so let's do some statutory algebra. [41:59.000 --> 42:02.000] If there's no transportation, there's no vehicle. [42:02.000 --> 42:03.000] There's no vehicle. [42:03.000 --> 42:04.000] There's no motor vehicle. [42:04.000 --> 42:05.000] There's no motor vehicle. [42:05.000 --> 42:07.000] There's no operator. [42:07.000 --> 42:09.000] And it is exactly that simple. [42:09.000 --> 42:12.000] It is also exactly that cementical. [42:12.000 --> 42:15.000] And I don't know that cementical is actually a term. [42:15.000 --> 42:17.000] I should look that up sometime. [42:17.000 --> 42:30.000] But I use that term to emphasize the fact that we are definitely absolutely, without straying from the obvious, splitting hairs. [42:30.000 --> 42:33.000] We are absolutely splitting hairs. [42:33.000 --> 42:34.000] Why? [42:34.000 --> 42:37.000] Because that's what the transportation code does. [42:37.000 --> 42:40.000] It splits hairs. [42:40.000 --> 42:49.000] So if we're going to understand this game, and I call it a scam, I'm really upset about it, which is most of the time. [42:49.000 --> 42:54.000] If we're going to play this game, we need to learn the semantics. [42:54.000 --> 42:56.000] These terms are very specific in their meaning. [42:56.000 --> 42:58.000] They're very limited in their meaning. [42:58.000 --> 43:08.000] If we read them without the understanding of the difference between transportation and travel, then we say, well, it obviously applies for everything [43:08.000 --> 43:11.000] from on the top of the surface up to the moon. [43:11.000 --> 43:13.000] Everything is included. [43:13.000 --> 43:17.000] Well, everything within transportation is included. [43:17.000 --> 43:19.000] I'll go that far. [43:19.000 --> 43:21.000] But not everything is included. [43:21.000 --> 43:28.000] Obviously, the transportation code is limited to commercial activity, where the exercise of that privilege is involved. [43:28.000 --> 43:34.000] And this is why it matters that we understand, in the defense, that's where we come in. [43:34.000 --> 43:38.000] That's where the topic of transportation comes up in a program like this. [43:38.000 --> 43:40.000] The question is, what's the defense? [43:40.000 --> 43:46.000] And the understanding of the defense starts with the understanding of the case. [43:46.000 --> 43:54.000] Okay, the case asserted by the state, whatever state one is in, the case asserted by state is... [43:54.000 --> 43:57.000] Wait, hold on. We've got to go to break. We'll be right back. [43:57.000 --> 44:04.000] Already? [44:27.000 --> 44:34.000] Drew Shaw, as interviewed on KFL or TV, was also told by ATF agents that they had been paged to not come into work. [44:34.000 --> 44:42.000] The ATF initially denied these claims, and now variously claim that one of their agents was in a free-falling elevator, which has been disproven, [44:42.000 --> 44:46.000] or that they'd been in an all-night stick out, or that they'd been in a golf tournament. [44:46.000 --> 44:51.000] As they try to sort out their lies, all we want to know is, did the ATF receive a warning? [44:51.000 --> 44:56.000] And if so, why did they not pass it on to others and memorials? 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[46:23.000 --> 46:29.000] Always, I must be careful what I'm wishing for [46:29.000 --> 46:35.000] When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for [46:35.000 --> 46:40.000] I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no blood [46:40.000 --> 46:45.000] I'm just here making my living, pushing buttons [46:45.000 --> 46:52.000] Okay, folks, we are back. Julius, we see you there. [46:52.000 --> 46:55.000] Just sit tight, my friend. [46:55.000 --> 47:01.000] Harmon is going to finish up with his point. He left us on a cliffhanger here, and then we'll go to your call, Julius. [47:01.000 --> 47:05.000] Okay, so Harmon, please continue. The case of the state is? [47:05.000 --> 47:16.000] A case in the very basic modeling of state's case. State is asserting transportation. [47:16.000 --> 47:26.000] That's state's case. State asserts transportation. What is the defense of that? Not transportation. [47:26.000 --> 47:33.000] In a ticket case, we don't want to argue right to travel. This is my point. [47:33.000 --> 47:38.000] We don't want to argue right to travel as the defense. Why? Because we're totally missing the point. [47:38.000 --> 47:44.000] State's case asserts transportation. That's state's case, transportation. [47:44.000 --> 47:54.000] So what's the defense? Not transportation. That's the defense. This is the model, the very basic level of the case. [47:54.000 --> 48:07.000] And so where we can articulate, not transportation, now we're in a position at least to find our way through the case in the viewpoint of the defense. [48:07.000 --> 48:09.000] Okay, that's the point. [48:09.000 --> 48:16.000] Yeah, and it makes sense, Harmon. We don't need to argue the right to travel. That argument has already been made. [48:16.000 --> 48:22.000] The Supreme Court multiple times has ruled that people fundamentally have the right to travel. [48:22.000 --> 48:29.000] And in fact, you look at airplane, okay? You don't need a license to fly airplane. It's private craft. [48:29.000 --> 48:34.000] You only need one if you're in commerce, if you're transporting passengers. [48:34.000 --> 48:42.000] Okay, it's the same thing with cars, people. It's the same thing. The way the statute is written, it is all about regulating commerce. [48:42.000 --> 48:46.000] We're not bucking up against the statute. We're not saying anything's wrong with the law. [48:46.000 --> 48:52.000] The law does not regulate traveling. You just have to realize what the law really says. [48:52.000 --> 48:57.000] And like Harmon says, we're not in transportation. That's all there is to it, end of story. [48:57.000 --> 49:01.000] Okay, we're going to take our call now. Julius from Texas. [49:01.000 --> 49:07.000] Julius, thank you for calling in. What is your question for our very special friend, Harmon Taylor? [49:07.000 --> 49:11.000] Hello, Harmon. Nice to meet you here on the show. [49:11.000 --> 49:14.000] Thanks for your support of the program. [49:14.000 --> 49:18.000] Oh, absolutely. And thank you for being there, everyone. [49:18.000 --> 49:24.000] I think it's very interesting, and I've written down these words that you had described. [49:24.000 --> 49:35.000] I think it's worth repeating. Transportation, driver, vehicle, operator, motor vehicle. Am I missing something? [49:35.000 --> 49:38.000] Those five are good. You've got one more to go. [49:38.000 --> 49:42.000] Okay. What would be the other one? Commerce? [49:42.000 --> 49:52.000] The phrase, this state, two words, T-H-I-S-S-T-A-T-E, this state. [49:52.000 --> 49:55.000] Okay. That's a choice of law reference. [49:55.000 --> 50:03.000] Most people read that as a geographic reference for purposes of personal jurisdiction and venue, and it is not. [50:03.000 --> 50:08.000] It's a choice of law reference. [50:08.000 --> 50:17.000] Kind of like a state of mind, except it has to do with choice of law instead. [50:17.000 --> 50:19.000] Right. Oh, that's excellent. [50:19.000 --> 50:28.000] So, Harmon, suppose when I were to get stopped by a police officer and I had to connect the conversation, [50:28.000 --> 50:39.000] officer, I am traveling in my car. I have the right to travel, and I will listen to your words. [50:39.000 --> 50:46.000] If you care to speak to me about something, is there something on your mind, or is there a reason why you stopped me, sir? [50:46.000 --> 50:56.000] And open up the conversation with that, and everything that I speak to with the officer and engage conversation. [50:56.000 --> 51:06.000] Would it be prudent of me not to mention any of these words, transportation, driver, vehicle, operator, et cetera? [51:06.000 --> 51:15.000] Let's take, you know, just a generic hypothetical without crossing this thin line here about advice and all. [51:15.000 --> 51:26.000] The concept, the reason for learning these six terms is to be able to use them in exactly that circumstance right off the bat. [51:26.000 --> 51:27.000] Okay. [51:27.000 --> 51:35.000] So, you're in the hypothetical, the party gets out of the car and says, I'm exercising my right to travel. [51:35.000 --> 51:37.000] This is why it matters. [51:37.000 --> 51:41.000] Right then, the instant the Mars lights go on, [51:41.000 --> 51:48.000] it matters that we understand that we are not in the circumstance to discuss right to travel. [51:48.000 --> 51:49.000] Right. [51:49.000 --> 51:56.000] In the ticket circumstance, the question is transportation or not transportation. [51:56.000 --> 52:01.000] The officers are not trained to appreciate the difference. [52:01.000 --> 52:07.000] All we can do is tell them at the beginning, I'm not in this state, I'm not engaging in transportation. [52:07.000 --> 52:13.000] There's not a vehicle here, there's no driver here, there's no motor vehicle here, there's no operator here. [52:13.000 --> 52:17.000] I do not consent the choice of law of the place called this state. [52:17.000 --> 52:18.000] Right. [52:18.000 --> 52:19.000] Okay. [52:19.000 --> 52:26.000] That is not today right now as we speak, that is not going to prevent the writing of the ticket. [52:26.000 --> 52:27.000] Right. [52:27.000 --> 52:38.000] And we get into several things about the ticket that we need to negotiate but foundationally, [52:38.000 --> 52:45.000] rather than asserting, I'm exercising my right to travel. [52:45.000 --> 52:56.000] In that circumstance, it shows a little bit better command of the situation to say I'm not in transportation [52:56.000 --> 52:57.000] because why? [52:57.000 --> 53:02.000] State's case is the assertion of transportation. [53:02.000 --> 53:08.000] That state's case is transportation and so the minute we get out, we're nice, we're polite, [53:08.000 --> 53:12.000] how are you, good to see you, I'm not in transportation. [53:12.000 --> 53:18.000] There is no vehicle, there is no driver, there is no motor vehicle, there is no operator. [53:18.000 --> 53:22.000] I do not agree with the choice of law of the place called this state. [53:22.000 --> 53:27.000] And hopefully the microphone will be on, all of that will be recorded. [53:27.000 --> 53:33.000] If the dispatcher happens to be able to hook in, the dispatcher will have all that information [53:33.000 --> 53:35.000] and the conversation can go on from there. [53:35.000 --> 53:38.000] You may have to repeat yourself a hundred times. [53:38.000 --> 53:39.000] Right. [53:39.000 --> 53:44.000] Just remember, you should have a digital recorder on your own at this point. [53:44.000 --> 53:49.000] Absolutely and you can get one of these little Sony recorders, they're fantastic, you know, [53:49.000 --> 53:54.000] they fit in your pocket and you can put that on at a moment's notice, but I really, really [53:54.000 --> 53:55.000] like that. [53:55.000 --> 54:02.000] And you're just taking the position and you're being very cordial and very inviting and then [54:02.000 --> 54:08.000] just polite to the officer and just saying, officer, I'm just stating my position here [54:08.000 --> 54:13.000] and that's it, you know, and just be nice about it and not be computational. [54:13.000 --> 54:22.000] Right, so it escalates and you have this that I made the officer aware of this is my position. [54:22.000 --> 54:23.000] Right, Julius. [54:23.000 --> 54:28.000] And that's the reason why when I give people information in these classes, the first thing [54:28.000 --> 54:33.000] I tell them is do not engage the officer in conversation. [54:33.000 --> 54:40.000] He is trained in ways to make you mess up and say things that he can use against you later. [54:40.000 --> 54:45.000] So your best bet is never to talk to begin with, which is why there's only three things [54:45.000 --> 54:49.000] you say and there's three things that I instruct people to do. [54:49.000 --> 54:55.000] The talking is done through the written notice that we handle in place of a license registration [54:55.000 --> 55:02.000] and proof of insurance that says right there on it, this individual is not engaging in [55:02.000 --> 55:06.000] transportation, know that right up front. [55:06.000 --> 55:13.000] And then it shows all the statutes that relate to that in Texas, that everything about it [55:13.000 --> 55:20.000] means commerce and I'm not in commerce because now that becomes evidence that officer must [55:20.000 --> 55:24.000] protect and he must turn it in with a ticket. [55:24.000 --> 55:31.000] Now you can use those statutes in court, something you could not do just by carrying on a conversation. [55:31.000 --> 55:33.000] Right. [55:33.000 --> 55:38.000] And it becomes tricky and trappy and they want to hear you say these words and aha, maybe [55:38.000 --> 55:43.000] if you said one or two or three of these words, then you are admitting you're in transportation. [55:43.000 --> 55:44.000] Am I correct? [55:44.000 --> 55:45.000] Right. [55:45.000 --> 55:49.000] Well no, not just by using the words as long as you're using them in a denying fashion, [55:49.000 --> 55:54.000] but the key here is not to let him trip you up and get you to say something that would [55:54.000 --> 55:58.000] give the impression that you actually are, hence the last three actions. [55:58.000 --> 56:02.000] Shut up, keep shutting up and shut up some more. [56:02.000 --> 56:06.000] Absolutely, I agree. [56:06.000 --> 56:08.000] I agree. [56:08.000 --> 56:10.000] That's fantastic. [56:10.000 --> 56:14.000] I think one other thing I wanted to make with Harman. [56:14.000 --> 56:21.000] Harman had mentioned weights and balances before and prior and funny money and I just [56:21.000 --> 56:27.000] wanted to say Harman record is the way our country is and the way it's gone. [56:27.000 --> 56:32.000] I happen to believe exactly what you said Harman about JFK. [56:32.000 --> 56:39.000] When I was a little kid, I had noticed, because my father was a good coin collector at that [56:39.000 --> 56:45.000] time and had noticed that the year after, so I think it was 1965, he started minting [56:45.000 --> 56:48.000] coins with the copper in the middle. [56:48.000 --> 56:56.000] But before that was also over coins and more and more, it's the destruction of the weights [56:56.000 --> 57:00.000] and balances because how in the world are you going to weigh a coin with copper in the [57:00.000 --> 57:01.000] middle? [57:01.000 --> 57:06.000] Or who knows what components of what metals? [57:06.000 --> 57:13.000] And this kind of weights and balances I think is at the heart of, I don't know, a solid [57:13.000 --> 57:19.000] monetary system or something that you can trust and that's something that this country [57:19.000 --> 57:23.000] really needs to get back to is something called truth. [57:23.000 --> 57:33.000] I would like to address something about when an officer pulls you over. [57:33.000 --> 57:44.000] Would it Harman or Eddie be appropriate to say, well gee whiz, officer grumpy. [57:44.000 --> 57:49.000] Why did you stop me? [57:49.000 --> 57:53.000] He could have a reason for it. [57:53.000 --> 58:01.000] Some of them give a reason up front and some will just insist license, registration and [58:01.000 --> 58:02.000] insurance. [58:02.000 --> 58:08.000] A lot of times they will ask you, do you know why I stopped you today? [58:08.000 --> 58:13.000] Yes, because you have no clue why you stopped me at all. [58:13.000 --> 58:14.000] All right. [58:14.000 --> 58:16.000] Well, we're going to the top of the hour break. [58:16.000 --> 58:18.000] Thank you for calling, Julius. [58:18.000 --> 58:19.000] You're welcome. [58:19.000 --> 58:20.000] Okay. [58:20.000 --> 58:21.000] All right, folks. [58:21.000 --> 58:26.000] We're at the end of hour one, going into hour two here with our very special friend, [58:26.000 --> 58:27.000] special guest, Harman Taylor. [58:27.000 --> 58:34.000] If you have a question for Harman Taylor, please call in 512-646-1984, Scott from Georgia. [58:34.000 --> 58:37.000] We're not hearing from you. [58:37.000 --> 58:38.000] Please call in. [58:38.000 --> 58:42.000] We have this whole show dedicated to you, my friend. [58:42.000 --> 58:49.000] So please call in so that you can discuss your points with Harman Taylor, another attorney, [58:49.000 --> 58:50.000] former attorney. [58:50.000 --> 58:52.000] We'll be back after the top of the hour news break. [58:52.000 --> 58:55.000] This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig. [58:55.000 --> 59:23.000] I'm Deborah Stevens, and we're here with Harman Taylor. [59:25.000 --> 59:51.000] Thank you. [59:51.000 --> 01:00:17.000] Thank you. [01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:43.000] Thank you. [01:00:43.000 --> 01:01:09.000] Thank you. [01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:35.000] Thank you. [01:01:35.000 --> 01:02:01.000] Thank you. [01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:23.000] Thank you. [01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:50.000] Thank you. [01:02:50.000 --> 01:03:17.000] Thank you. [01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:46.000] Thank you. [01:03:46.000 --> 01:04:14.000] Thank you. [01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:43.000] Thank you. [01:04:43.000 --> 01:05:05.000] Thank you. [01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:28.000] Thank you. [01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:38.000] Great, appreciate the call. [01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:25.000] Thank you. [01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:40.000] Thank you. [01:06:40.000 --> 01:07:07.000] Thank you. [01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:33.000] Thank you. 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[01:17:54.000 --> 01:18:21.000] Thank you. [01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:49.000] Thank you. [01:18:49.000 --> 01:19:17.000] Thank you. [01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:44.000] Thank you. [01:19:44.000 --> 01:20:11.000] Thank you. [01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:39.000] Thank you. [01:20:39.000 --> 01:21:06.000] Thank you. [01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:34.000] Thank you. [01:21:34.000 --> 01:22:03.000] Thank you. [01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:31.000] Thank you. [01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:58.000] Thank you. [01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:24.000] Thank you. [01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:52.000] Thank you. [01:23:52.000 --> 01:24:19.000] Thank you. [01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:47.000] Thank you. [01:24:47.000 --> 01:25:15.000] Thank you. [01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:42.000] Thank you. [01:25:42.000 --> 01:26:09.000] Thank you. [01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:16.000] Yes, thanks for your show. Thanks for your guest. [01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:19.000] From what I'm understanding and from what I'm hearing, [01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:23.000] I'm seeing that transportation equals commerce. [01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:25.000] Absolutely. [01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:29.000] In fact, if you look at the root of transportation, [01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:39.000] transportation means across and port is to carry. [01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:44.000] In other words, you are bringing goods or passengers [01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.000] from point A to point B for hire. [01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:49.000] Yes, transportation means commerce. Absolutely. [01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:53.000] Transportation is a subset of overall commerce. [01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:56.000] There are, of course, thousands, if not hundreds of thousands [01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:00.000] of different types of commerce, transportation is about one of them. [01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:04.000] So why would we not look in the business and commerce code [01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:07.000] for some type of remedy there? [01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:11.000] And realize that in the business and commerce code, [01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.000] they have a thing called value. [01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:17.000] And when the policeman asked to see our driver's license, [01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.000] we would ask them if that was an order. [01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:24.000] And we would let them know that we would comply with their order [01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:29.000] for a $300 penalty for private use fee. [01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:32.000] And if they would agree to that, [01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:35.000] well, then we would provide them with the license. [01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:40.000] So then we could charge them for the value that we gave [01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:43.000] by providing the license, just like going to McDonald's [01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:48.000] and ordering a big Mac, you got to pay for it when you get it. [01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:53.000] So we would do the same in that vein in commerce. [01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:58.000] I wonder what your thoughts are on that. [01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:02.000] I'd have a tough time taking that road. [01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:05.000] The relationship with transportation is, of course, [01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:08.000] defined in the transportation code. [01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:12.000] Not that there aren't additional relationships [01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:15.000] defined in the business and commerce code. [01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:17.000] Not that there aren't. [01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.000] It's just that the basic one that we're talking about here [01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:22.000] is defined in the transportation code. [01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:26.000] So I would choose the law of commerce. [01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:29.000] I mean, if we have a choice of law, we would say, [01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:31.000] okay, we're going to operate in commerce. [01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:34.000] Let's operate under business and commerce code. [01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:37.000] Well, I was going to mention one other thing, Terry, [01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:40.000] concerning the order issue. [01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:42.000] The driver's licenses do not belong to us. [01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:44.000] They belong to the state. [01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:46.000] There's still property in the state all the time. [01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.000] And so when the police asks for it, [01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:52.000] well, under the transportation code, [01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:55.000] you're required to hand it over if you're in transportation. [01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.000] If you're not in transportation, you don't have to hand it over. [01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:01.000] So the answer, the clear answer is don't hand it over [01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:03.000] because when you hand it over, [01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:07.000] that is prima facie evidence that you're engaged in transportation. [01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:11.000] Yeah, and I think that I've covered this in conversation before. [01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:15.000] When you're sitting here asserting that you're not in commerce, [01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:19.000] in heaven's name, would you go run into a commercial statute for protection? [01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:20.000] Indeed. [01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.000] That makes no sense. [01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:25.000] Now you're seeking the protection of the very thing you're saying [01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:27.000] you're not engaged in. [01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:28.000] Indeed. [01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.000] Well, not under transportation code, [01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.000] but under the business and commerce code. [01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:35.000] Yeah, but the question here is one of transportation [01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:39.000] as a portion of commerce, not commerce as a home. [01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:43.000] And the whole point is you're not engaged in commerce anyway. [01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:44.000] You're traveling. [01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:45.000] Well, I know that. [01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:48.000] Okay, Terry, we're going to break. Just stay right there. [01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.000] We'll get some more comments on the other side. [01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:52.000] We also have another caller on the line. [01:29:52.000 --> 01:30:21.000] If you'd like to call in and talk to Harmon, 512-646-1984. [01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:25.000] This is insulting to the memory of those who perish in the bombing. [01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:27.000] What is being hidden from us? [01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:32.000] For more information, please go to OKCBombingTruth.com. [01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:38.000] Are you one of the millions of Americans affected by a chronic lung disease like emphysema or asthma? [01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:42.000] Your next round of therapy could involve musical toe-tapping fun. [01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:46.000] I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be back in a moment to tell you how. [01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:48.000] Privacy is under attack. [01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:51.000] When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again. [01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:56.000] And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too. 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[01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:46.000] Okay, Terry, let me see, Eddie and I are going to try to break this down quickly [01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:48.000] because we've got other callers on the line, [01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:51.000] and we only have another half an hour with Harmon. [01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:54.000] Transportation is one type of commerce. [01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:57.000] There is a commercial business code, yes, that's true. [01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:59.000] However, there's also the transportation code, [01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:05.000] which regulates the commercial activity of transportation specifically. [01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:07.000] And so, if you're not in transportation, [01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:10.000] the transportation code does not apply to you, period. [01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:14.000] If you're in commerce, but not in transportation, [01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:17.000] you're likely not engaging in commerce until you get to your destination. [01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:20.000] Again, transportation code does not apply. [01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:22.000] Nothing about the license applies. [01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:24.000] The license, the property of the state. [01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:29.000] If you're in transportation, you're required to show it upon request from the officer. [01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:32.000] If you're not in transportation, if you're not in commerce at all, [01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:39.000] like Eddie says, why bother running to the thing that you're trying to protect you [01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.000] from what's trying to hurt you? [01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:42.000] So, Eddie, you... [01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:43.000] Well, why bother? [01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:46.000] To me, it's more an argument of why are you asking the guy to put up a shield [01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:48.000] with the bullets from his gun? [01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:54.000] Well, if you are claiming to be in commerce and say, [01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:57.000] okay, I'll engage with you in commerce, [01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:02.000] if you have the license, when you signed up to get the license, [01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:07.000] you entered into an agreement that you would produce that license. [01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:11.000] You don't never get to say, well, now I want a different contract [01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:13.000] in order for me to produce the license. [01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:16.000] You're already having contractual duty. [01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:19.000] If you're in transportation, Randy, if you're not in transportation... [01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:20.000] That's what I said. [01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:21.000] ...you don't have to hand it over. [01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:24.000] If you're choosing the transportation venue... [01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:27.000] But you don't have a choice if it's regarding the license [01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:29.000] or anything associated with transportation. [01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:34.000] That's because you've already agreed to the contract to produce it on demand. [01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:37.000] And if you're not in transportation, you don't have to give it at all. [01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:38.000] It's better not to give it. [01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:41.000] So, Terry, does that kind of wrap things up? [01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.000] Not really. [01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:44.000] Not at all. [01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:46.000] I mean, I understand the difference. [01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:47.000] Okay. [01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:48.000] Answer me this, Terry. [01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:49.000] Sure. [01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:54.000] Is there anything we could say that would change your position? [01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:56.000] No, I really don't think so. [01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:57.000] Okay. [01:34:57.000 --> 01:34:58.000] Well, then we need to move on, Terry. [01:34:58.000 --> 01:34:59.000] Thank you. [01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.000] We can argue about this all night, but we have a guest right now. [01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:02.000] Okay. [01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:03.000] Thank you for the call. [01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:05.000] We're going now to Michael Anthony in New York. [01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.000] Michael Anthony, thank you for calling. [01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:09.000] What is your question tonight? [01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:10.000] Hi, guys. [01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:11.000] Good show tonight. [01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:15.000] I'm in the process of buying a pickup truck. [01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:20.000] The pickup truck was purchased by a person at an auction. [01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:25.000] There was no title ever surrendered with the vehicle, with the truck. [01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:28.000] And another person bought it, and it's been in this garage, [01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:30.000] and he didn't even get a receipt for it. [01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.000] He just purchased it. [01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:37.000] What I'd be able to purchase it from the second owner that bought it from the auction [01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:42.000] with no title and be able to travel with it, would there be any kind of dilemma [01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:46.000] with the MSO or a title someplace? [01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:50.000] Well, how was the auction company able to sell it without a title? [01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:52.000] It would be question number one. [01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:54.000] I don't have no idea. [01:35:54.000 --> 01:36:02.000] Without that certificate of title or a salvage title or the actual MSO, [01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:10.000] no one can transfer even the appearance of ownership in that car. [01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:15.000] Because the certificate of title has got to set up as a motor vehicle. [01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:21.000] So the laws of the state are very clear that in order to transfer even the appearance of ownership, [01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:27.000] that certificate of title has to be signed over to whoever allegedly buys it as a motor vehicle. [01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:33.000] So unless someone filed for a salvage title or a lost title, [01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:36.000] how did even the auction house manage to sell this? [01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:42.000] Was it a junk car because it was wrecked and that was why it was sold at auction? [01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:43.000] No, it's not wrecked. [01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:48.000] Or is someone feeding you a line? [01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:49.000] No. [01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:52.000] Are you sure what everybody's told you is true? [01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:54.000] I'm assuming that, yeah. [01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:59.000] Okay, if everything they've told you is true, you should be able to go to the auction house. [01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:02.000] They have a statutory duty transfer that title. [01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:06.000] If they didn't, you can get them to produce the title. [01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:08.000] Okay. [01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:09.000] Okay, I could try that. [01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:12.000] I have to try to find out what auction house it was. [01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:17.000] Okay, I have a bus I bought from Allen Ritchie Auctions. [01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:21.000] They gave me a title that wasn't in their name. [01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:25.000] I filed it with the state and the state lost it. [01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:29.000] They gave me plates, but I never got the title back. [01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:33.000] So I can go back to Allen Ritchie and sue them for title. [01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:34.000] Right. [01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:39.000] But I wanted to travel with it without getting plates. [01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:44.000] Then what you need besides that certificate of title is a bill of sale. [01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:50.000] Yes, because if you get a toll or something and you go to pick it up, [01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:55.000] nobody's going to give it to you unless you can show proof of ownership. [01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.000] Okay. [01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.000] And that'll be a real problem. [01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:05.000] I called the Department of Motor Vehicles State of New York and asked them and they said they can't do anything unless I have, [01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:08.000] I gave them all the numbers off it and everything. [01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:10.000] Was it originally titled in New York? [01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.000] Yes. [01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:15.000] It's got the window sticker on it. [01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:19.000] Okay, they told you that it, they told you what about it? [01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:25.000] They said they couldn't do anything unless I had just what you guys said, bill of sale. [01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:36.000] Okay, go find out who it shows, who ownership, whose name ownership is in and contact that person. [01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:40.000] Good chance you can go to them and they'll just sign the title right over to you. [01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:43.000] Well, their name isn't on the sticker. [01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:44.000] It doesn't matter what it's on. [01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:48.000] I'm not worried about the sticker, I'm worried about the certificate of title. [01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:49.000] Right, right. [01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:59.000] Well, I tried to track that down through the numbers on the vehicle, on the VIN numbers, through the state and they wouldn't give me any information unless I had the paperwork. [01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:02.000] Well, no, again, what did you ask for? [01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:05.000] You can find out who the owner is. [01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.000] The DMV records are public records. [01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:15.000] You may have to pay a fee to get it, but you can get the information on who it's registered to and that's who you need to be talking to. [01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:23.000] They can tell you if and when they transferred the title or if they still actually hold it. [01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:31.000] Okay, under freedom of information I can get it or open records request. [01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:38.000] Probably, as far as I know, who owns a vehicle is not privileged information. [01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:40.000] So you should be able to get it that way. [01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:47.000] You can just go to the police department and say, you know, I got this car parked on my yard over here and I don't know who it belongs to. [01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:51.000] Can you find out who owns this thing so I can call them, tell them, come get this thing out of here? [01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:54.000] You could probably even find out online. [01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:55.000] What was that, Deborah? [01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:59.000] You could probably even find out online. [01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:01.000] I don't know how to. [01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:03.000] Just DMV searches. [01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:05.000] You can do DMV searches online. [01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:07.000] Okay. [01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:09.000] Okay, do you have anything else? [01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:10.000] No, that's good. [01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:11.000] Thank you very much. [01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:12.000] Okay, thanks. [01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:13.000] Okay. [01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:14.000] Thank you for the call. [01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:15.000] You're welcome. [01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:16.000] Thank you. [01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:17.000] Okay, thank you. [01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:18.000] Good night. [01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:19.000] Okay, we're going now to Tim in Texas. [01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:20.000] Tim, thank you for calling. [01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:21.000] What is your question for Harmon Taylor? [01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:22.000] Yes, good evening. [01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:24.000] I have an interesting thing that just came up today. [01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:35.000] Earlier this week my neighbor got together with me and he said the corner of your property actually belongs to me according to a recent survey I did. [01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:40.000] I said that corner we've been using as a road and it's been fenced for 40 years that way. [01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:45.000] And so he said, well, I'm going to build a, but I'm going to change it. [01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:51.000] So this afternoon he first put a fence across it and I cut the fence and drove around it. [01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:56.000] Then he came with his dozer and he pushed two big loads of dirt on the road and shut it down. [01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:02.000] So I called the sheriff, deputy came out and he listened to the argument about the guy's survey and everything. [01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:07.000] He said, well, you're going to have to sell it in court, but I can't tell him to move the road even though it's an ingress and egress. [01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:11.000] He said, I can't tell it as long as you can get out a different direction. [01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:13.000] He said, I can't tell him to move it. [01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:15.000] So there we sit with a guy loaded. [01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.000] He just took it upon himself. [01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:21.000] He said, I sent everybody a certified letter while I was going to do it. [01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:28.000] Okay, make a claim to the property by adverse possession. [01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:29.000] Okay. [01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:33.000] But you've held it in adverse possession for an excess of seven years. [01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:34.000] That's what I've studied. [01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:46.000] It's been like, I think Texas in places says 10 years, but by adverse possession, we've knowingly and openly used that road for all this time. [01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:52.000] You know, but then you might have, okay, that, okay, that's different. [01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:59.000] If he knowingly and openly allowed you to use it, then you don't have adverse possession, but you have an easement. [01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:00.000] Yeah. [01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:03.000] So search easement law. [01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:08.000] Allow us because he thought of, he didn't know it was actually on his property. [01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.000] But now. [01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:13.000] Well, okay, but there's two aspects of this here. [01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:18.000] One, in order for the easement to apply, it has to be the only way in and out of the property. [01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:23.000] Otherwise, it's just a consensual use, which he has the right to withdraw. [01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:24.000] No, no, no. [01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.000] He can't landlock you. [01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:26.000] Yes. [01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:27.000] He cannot landlock you. [01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:29.000] He's just said there's another egress. [01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:39.000] There's a case in New York where a guy used to have a newspaper stand and he would walk across this empty lot to get to his newspaper stand. [01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:44.000] Well, somebody bought that lot and built a high rise on it. [01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:51.000] And he sued him because his long term use of this lot created an easement. [01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:57.000] And they had to make accommodation so he could walk through the building. [01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:04.000] What they did was it was that gave him a newspaper stand in the building as a settlement, but he had a legal easement. [01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.000] So there is precedent in easement. [01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:15.000] I'm not sure exactly how it applies in Texas, but there is some really strange law on easements. [01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:24.000] And this has been a point of common use that that was part of the value of the property that you had this easement. [01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:29.000] And now he's changing it, so it changes the value of property. [01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.000] You probably have an argument under easement. [01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:38.000] The property is now owned by our trust or else I would sue him personally, but I think the trust has to hire an attorney to sue him. [01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.000] Yes, the trust would have to hire an attorney. [01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:45.000] The trustees cannot do suit pro se, I don't believe. [01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:51.000] Maybe a trustee can, actually I think a trustee can do a suit pro se. [01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:53.000] If it's a corporation, they have to hire an attorney. [01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:56.000] That's actually a contention in the courts right now. [01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:58.000] Can trustees do pro se suits? [01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:01.000] The answer is yes. [01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:33.000] We want you to try out positive toxins, heavy metals, viruses, fungus, bacteria and parasites. [01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:36.000] Plains and purifies the blood, lungs, stomach and colon. [01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:42.000] Micro plant powder will help eliminate these dangerous chemicals from the body used in the Gulf cleaned up. [01:44:42.000 --> 01:45:00.000] HempUSA.org, we want you to try our number one selling detox product, micro plant powder, call and order at 1-908-69-120608 or visit us at hempUSA.org today. 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I'm still ignorant. That's why my program was called Freedom's Questions. [01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:50.000] Great to hear from you. How are things on the West Coast? [01:47:50.000 --> 01:48:13.000] Yes. And the issue of whether you are engaged in commerce or not or availing yourself of the privilege of the license is interesting because I know of a California case where a realtor did a deal for his neighbor and charged him no money. [01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:35.000] Somehow the deal got into court with the realtor's license at Jeopardy. The court ruled that since he didn't charge for the service, he was not using the license and therefore he was not regulatable. [01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:39.000] I like that judge. I agree with that judge completely. [01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:52.000] I believe one case that is either that one or a similar one was Schoenberg versus Kaiser. That's another one, I guess, that has a similar outcome. [01:48:52.000 --> 01:49:20.000] If I was a barber, well, let's say I'm a truck driver and I haul goods every day from my employers. I'm engaged in commerce. I'm regulatable. If I am driving my family to visit Grandma on the weekend, I am not availing myself of the privilege of that license and shouldn't be required to show it [01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:29.000] because that would misidentify me as a commercial entity at that moment. [01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:35.000] Let me address that. All the truck drivers know you have to keep your logbook. [01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:36.000] Yep. [01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:51.000] You have to log in all your travel. If you go to a warehouse and unload and you have to dead head to another warehouse to load back up, that time doesn't go when you log because you're not in commerce. [01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:55.000] Oh, well, it does. It goes in as downtime. [01:49:55.000 --> 01:50:07.000] It's not part of the time that you're in commerce that doesn't count. They know that. That's clear to them when they're in commerce and when they're not. [01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:13.000] In deadheading, we know what causes deadheading. It's a piece of news. [01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:42.000] Yes, that's 180 proof grain alcohol. Okay. Remember Richard McDonald, who, the story of a truck driver who would say, stop at a farm in California, buy a load of hay, put it on his truck, haul it to Texas, and on the way stop at the way station or not stop at the way stations because he wasn't hauling [01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:47.000] someone else's goods. He wasn't hauling all their goods. [01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:48.000] That's right. [01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:54.000] Yep. That would go to the farmer in Texas, sell him a load of hay and unload it. [01:50:54.000 --> 01:51:08.000] Okay. You can register with the Department of Transportation as a private operator, not in commerce. The Department of Transportation has a registration specifically for that. [01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:21.000] And what that does, if a DOT officer sees this vehicle, it has that number on it. That number gives him notice this vehicle is not in commerce. [01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:30.000] And you know, Randy, that just seems like such a conundrum to me. That is a total oxymoron. How can you be a private operator, not in commerce? [01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:39.000] No, no, no. Wait a minute. Let me finish. When the very word operator indicates that you are in commerce, I mean, it just doesn't even make any sense to have something stand up like that. [01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:49.000] Yeah. We're back to the same problem we were having with Terry a moment ago when you're running to the government to get a document from the government that says you're not doing something the government says you're doing anyway. [01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:51.000] It's kind of crazy, really. [01:51:51.000 --> 01:52:08.000] If I am driving an 18 wheeler and a DOT officer sees that 18 wheeler, that 18 wheeler is designed specifically for transporting goods from one place to another. [01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:14.000] He has reasonable probable cause to believe I'm in commerce. [01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:17.000] Not unless you're bearing a DOT number. [01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:22.000] You're telling people, don't get this. If every 10 blocks you get pulled over. [01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:33.000] Randy, you're the same one that R.B. was in the other night when I said that just because there's an officer pulls you over when there's a plate on your car that he doesn't have probable cause. [01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:40.000] Now you're saying just because a semi looks that is designed for commerce, he has probable cause. What's the difference? [01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:47.000] This is reasonable human beings operating in a rational world. [01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:54.000] 18 wheel vehicles are not used for private transportation as a rule. [01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:57.000] As a rule, they're used for... [01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:05.000] Harman, what is your take on this private operator clause of Texas Transportation Code? [01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:10.000] Is that even part of the Texas Transportation Code or is that just some... [01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:12.000] That's the federal. That's DOT. [01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:16.000] Harman, what is your take on this? How can you be a private operator? [01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:20.000] The example that Fredrick Earl gave is an excellent one. [01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:26.000] The concept that I would apply to all of that just started at the top. [01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:37.000] Is this man hauling hay from California to Texas in transportation? No. Why? Is not removing people and or property from here to there for profit or hire. [01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:52.000] It is not the mechanism for that part, that segment of that travel to be compensated for the act of taking that hay from California to Texas. [01:53:52.000 --> 01:54:01.000] Okay, so everything else after that is interesting, but there are the thought about... [01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:05.000] And the states have the same thing that Randy's talking about at the national level. [01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:11.000] I, of course, would never do that. I'm not going to ask the state for permission to travel. [01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:16.000] This goes against every grain of my being. [01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:18.000] Yeah, I would never file a document. [01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:26.000] I'm going to travel, and if they think I'm in transportation, they certainly have the opportunity to go to court and try to prove it. [01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:33.000] Okay, there's the mechanism. There's the thought of trying to avoid the litigation. [01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:39.000] And right now, as a practical matter, I just don't see it, but I wouldn't do it. [01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:45.000] I would not go to DOT and say, I'm a private operator. I'm not an operator at all. [01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:49.000] You're also not driving an 18-wheeler. [01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:57.000] If you're driving an 18-wheeler and it doesn't have commercial plates on it, every policeman that sees you will pull you over. [01:54:57.000 --> 01:54:58.000] And you'll most likely... [01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:00.000] I'm sure that's the case. [01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.000] Every time. So that's the purpose. [01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:12.000] Okay, so the purpose of this private operator registration is basically this is a fear mongering tactic. [01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:22.000] It's another way of asking the government to give you permission to do something because it's sort of like the protection racket. [01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:28.000] You have to tell the government and register with them that you're traveling and that you're not in commerce. [01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:33.000] You can't just do it because if you do it, you'll get harassed. [01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:38.000] So the whole private operator filing is basically a protection racket. [01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:46.000] You're paying the government and filing with the government basically to avoid harassment just like with the mobsters and their protection rackets. [01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:50.000] And that's why I'm saying, I don't like it. I can say that. [01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:59.000] I think it's ridiculous that the government has that much power that they've become a mob ring that runs a protection racket. [01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:02.000] That you have to pay them to not be harassed. [01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:05.000] How long is the form good for, Randy? [01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:08.000] As far as I can tell, it's permanent. [01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.000] As far as I can tell, you don't have to refile. [01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:14.000] Okay. Well, anyway, we're coming up on the end of the segment. [01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.000] We have a couple more callers, Harmon. [01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:19.000] Would you stay over so that we can finish taking the callers that want to talk to you? [01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:20.000] Sure. [01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:22.000] Are we done with what Frederick Earl was saying? [01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:24.000] Fred, I was just about to ask him. [01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:26.000] Fred, do you have anything else for us? [01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:36.000] Well, as long as we're not forgetting that all property is in the state as of 19, what, 35? [01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:40.000] Or 33. [01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:45.000] Remember the Senate document number? [01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:50.000] I'm looking for it. [01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:54.000] It's related to the time of HGR 192. [01:56:54.000 --> 01:57:01.000] I wish I could find as many of these government officials that read these documents they write as there are those of us that research them. [01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:03.000] That would just work so well. [01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:15.000] It's 73rd Congress first session, Senate document number 43, Senate resolution number 62, April 17, 1933. [01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:18.000] The ultimate ownership of all property is in the state. [01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:27.000] Individuals so-called ownership is only by virtue of government, i.e., law. [01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:30.000] That's a Soviet case, right? [01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:32.000] That's a Soviet case, right? [01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:34.000] Okay, you're listening to House resolution. [01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:38.000] Was it ever actually passed and codified into law? [01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:42.000] Do you have a codification of it or a public law? [01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:43.000] I don't. [01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:46.000] Well, actually, he was talking about a Senate document. [01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:48.000] Who said House resolution? [01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:52.000] He said it was at the same time as the HGR 192. [01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:55.000] The one he referenced was a House resolution. [01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:57.000] I thought he referenced a Senate document. [01:57:57.000 --> 01:57:59.000] Were you referencing a Senate document, Fred? [01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:00.000] It was. [01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:08.000] It was a Senate document number 43, Senate resolution number 62, page 9, paragraph 2. [01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:09.000] All right, Fred. [01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:12.000] Well, yeah, we need to find out if that ever became law or not. [01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:18.000] I have read, I don't have the public law number in front of me right now, [01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:22.000] but the debate about HGR 192, by the way, that did become law. [01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:24.000] That wasn't just a House resolution. [01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:26.000] That did get codified into law. [01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:27.000] All right, thank you, Fred. [01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:28.000] We appreciate the call. [01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:29.000] Thank you. [01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:30.000] Okay, great. [01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:32.000] All right, we've got a few more callers on the line. [01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:34.000] For Harmon, thank you for staying with us. [01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:35.000] Harmon, into the next segment. [01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:36.000] Well, you're welcome. [01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:38.000] All right, folks, we'll be right back. [01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:39.000] We're at the top of the hour. [01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:42.000] This is the Rule of Law, ruleoflawradio.com. 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