[00:00.000 --> 00:09.760]  The Vatican's top official in Tripoli says 40 civilians were killed during a US-led NATO
[00:09.760 --> 00:12.060]  airstrike on the city this week.
[00:12.060 --> 00:16.860]  Calling for a diplomatic solution to the crisis, Giovanni Martinelli told a Catholic news
[00:16.860 --> 00:22.380]  agency life in Tripoli was becoming harder as, quote, so-called humanitarian air raids
[00:22.380 --> 00:23.380]  continued.
[00:23.380 --> 00:30.520]  A prominent Islamist politician and fierce critic of the US presence in Pakistan, Maulana
[00:30.520 --> 00:34.200]  Raymond, survived two assassination attempts this week.
[00:34.200 --> 00:37.640]  The first attack killed 12 people at a rally in Peshawar.
[00:37.640 --> 00:42.200]  On Thursday, 10 people were killed after the politician's convoy was struck by a suicide
[00:42.200 --> 00:43.200]  bomber.
[00:43.200 --> 00:47.120]  Raymond has blamed the CIA for the attacks, but others believe they are the result of
[00:47.120 --> 00:50.960]  infighting among Islamist groups.
[00:50.960 --> 00:56.480]  One hundred imams from the New York area are calling Muslims to rally on April 9th in Manhattan
[00:56.480 --> 01:03.240]  to oppose the US's war in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, condemn terrorism and fight Islamophobia.
[01:03.240 --> 01:08.840]  Dr. Shaheed Ubaid of the Muslim Peace Coalition, USA, said Muslims are joining the peace movement
[01:08.840 --> 01:13.760]  because, quote, wars of aggression are immoral and drain our national resources, which are
[01:13.760 --> 01:16.080]  already under tremendous strain.
[01:16.080 --> 01:22.600]  The UK Guardian revealed Friday, Muammar Gaddafi's regime has sent one of its most trusted envoys,
[01:22.600 --> 01:28.800]  Mohammed Ismail, senior aide to Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, to London for confidential
[01:28.800 --> 01:30.760]  talks with British officials.
[01:30.760 --> 01:35.080]  The contacts of Ismail are believed to have been one of several between Libyan officials
[01:35.080 --> 01:40.920]  and the West in the last two weeks, signaling the regime may be looking for an exit strategy.
[01:40.920 --> 01:45.560]  Disclosure of Ismail's visit follows the defection to Britain of Moussa Koussa, Libya's
[01:45.560 --> 01:51.320]  foreign minister and former external intelligence head and the West's main conduit to the Gaddafi
[01:51.320 --> 01:54.120]  regime since the late 1990s.
[01:54.120 --> 01:58.360]  Koussa was instrumental in paving the way for lifting sanctions against Libya, opening
[01:58.360 --> 02:03.960]  its doors to Western oil investment for much of the last decade.
[02:03.960 --> 02:10.200]  Japan plans to take control of Tokyo Electric Power, operator of the Fukushima nuclear plant,
[02:10.200 --> 02:15.440]  in the face of mounting public concern over the crisis and its huge compensation bill,
[02:15.440 --> 02:20.200]  analysts say options for the government include paying some or all of TEPCO's compensation
[02:20.200 --> 02:25.720]  claims, letting it raise electricity prices or spinning off and nationalizing the company's
[02:25.720 --> 02:27.120]  nuclear business.
[02:27.120 --> 02:32.160]  TEPCO has come under fire for its handling of the emergency at its Fukushima nuclear
[02:32.160 --> 02:38.200]  complex triggered by the mega quake and tsunami that killed more than 28,000 people, a series
[02:38.200 --> 02:43.240]  of missteps and mistakes combined with scant signs of leadership that undermined confidence
[02:43.240 --> 02:44.240]  in the company.
[02:44.240 --> 02:49.840]  Shares in TEPCO are down 80 percent since the disaster, wiping out $32 billion in market
[02:49.840 --> 02:50.840]  value.
[02:50.840 --> 03:01.840]  For more details on these stories, visit INNWorldRecord.net.
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[04:14.240 --> 04:16.240]  We're taking your phone calls.
[04:16.240 --> 04:17.240]  We're into hour three.
[04:17.240 --> 04:25.240]  We're at the halfway point of our four-hour info marathon here on Friday, April 1st.
[04:25.240 --> 04:29.240]  We're talking about this state and the funding money system.
[04:29.240 --> 04:33.880]  We just went over the Nothouse case a little more concerning why what happened to him happened
[04:33.880 --> 04:34.880]  to him.
[04:34.880 --> 04:39.720]  We analyzed that from a statutory perspective last week, and we're analyzing that from a
[04:39.720 --> 04:44.600]  deeper perspective concerning choice of law this week.
[04:44.600 --> 04:51.040]  And Randy asked a question right before we went to break that if you barter for amounts
[04:51.040 --> 04:58.600]  of bullion or, say, bags of salt or bags of wheat or other services, does that get you
[04:58.600 --> 05:00.920]  out of this state?
[05:00.920 --> 05:05.160]  And Harmon's saying, for the most part, yes, he has more comments on that, but I just want
[05:05.160 --> 05:08.040]  to interject a comment of my own here.
[05:08.040 --> 05:17.600]  Folks, we have to engage in some type of production if we are going to maintain a standard of
[05:17.600 --> 05:19.640]  living that is reasonable.
[05:19.640 --> 05:24.720]  We are not going to maintain our standard of living by washing each other's clothes
[05:24.720 --> 05:27.160]  and mowing each other's lawns.
[05:27.160 --> 05:33.480]  That's where the bad guys are trying to push us into is servitude, servitude, service-based
[05:33.480 --> 05:37.040]  society, feudalism.
[05:37.040 --> 05:40.960]  We can't have an economy that is service-based.
[05:40.960 --> 05:45.240]  In other words, we just do things for each other without producing anything.
[05:45.240 --> 05:52.400]  The reason this country became so great was because of the Industrial Revolution and production.
[05:52.400 --> 05:55.520]  And you can't drive an economy with the housing market.
[05:55.520 --> 05:58.880]  That's totally putting the cart before the horse.
[05:58.880 --> 06:04.560]  People buy houses because they have jobs in production.
[06:04.560 --> 06:14.520]  Buying houses and building homes and selling them is an afterthought to a high-level economy
[06:14.520 --> 06:18.560]  based on some type of manufacturing or production.
[06:18.560 --> 06:21.960]  The housing market cannot drive an economy.
[06:21.960 --> 06:24.440]  Services cannot drive the economy.
[06:24.440 --> 06:29.760]  And so if we are just looking at things long-term, this is just my side comment, if we are going
[06:29.760 --> 06:36.960]  to set up our own independent systems that are outside of this state, we need to look
[06:36.960 --> 06:43.240]  towards our own production, producing things like our band.
[06:43.240 --> 06:52.040]  We produce CDs, I produce radio shows, Randy produces a paralegal service, well in a sense
[06:52.040 --> 06:57.360]  it's a service, but produces help with litigation, you could call it a production.
[06:57.360 --> 06:59.240]  We have to produce something.
[06:59.240 --> 07:05.080]  We have to take raw materials, whether it's intellectual property, and produce more intellectual
[07:05.080 --> 07:06.080]  property.
[07:06.080 --> 07:09.720]  In other words, there has to be a production, there has to be a manufacturing of something.
[07:09.720 --> 07:16.480]  We're never going to maintain a standard of living or increase it by a service-based economy.
[07:16.480 --> 07:20.560]  In other words, by washing each other's clothes and mowing each other's lawns.
[07:20.560 --> 07:27.320]  And so we have to look towards that concept of production as we are removing ourselves
[07:27.320 --> 07:29.120]  from this state.
[07:29.120 --> 07:33.040]  And so that's just a side philosophical note on economics.
[07:33.040 --> 07:38.520]  But at any rate, Harmon, you want to comment on what I just said and please continue to
[07:38.520 --> 07:41.160]  answer Randy's questions.
[07:41.160 --> 07:47.320]  Manufacturing is at the heart of the system, and whether it's producing wood to be turned
[07:47.320 --> 07:58.480]  into a boat or producing steel to be turned into conveyances, there has to be the change
[07:58.480 --> 08:03.280]  of raw materials into something useful, and all of that's being shipped overseas.
[08:03.280 --> 08:10.560]  Yeah, we're really getting clobbered there as a very good economics fundamental concept.
[08:10.560 --> 08:15.720]  The question Randy asked is an easy question to answer and it's a difficult question to
[08:15.720 --> 08:16.720]  answer.
[08:16.720 --> 08:17.720]  What's the question?
[08:17.720 --> 08:20.600]  The question is if we barter, are we in this state?
[08:20.600 --> 08:24.000]  If we don't use dollars, are we in this state?
[08:24.000 --> 08:28.320]  And it's a tag-on, a different application of the Second Amendment concept we talked
[08:28.320 --> 08:33.160]  about just a few minutes ago.
[08:33.160 --> 08:37.440]  The generic answer where we presume everything else away is yes, and that's where we're
[08:37.440 --> 08:38.440]  headed.
[08:38.440 --> 08:39.800]  This is the entire point.
[08:39.800 --> 08:45.200]  If we understand that we've got a choice, how do we exercise the different choice?
[08:45.200 --> 08:48.720]  And fundamentally, we stop using dollars.
[08:48.720 --> 08:55.960]  Now, it's not that easy, and the first example that comes to mind is the taxpayer scenario.
[08:55.960 --> 08:59.880]  Taxpayer doesn't have the choices that we're talking about here.
[08:59.880 --> 09:05.160]  We sort of get into that going backwards a little bit, I mentioned the Kerry case, K-A-H-R-E
[09:05.160 --> 09:10.800]  out in Nevada, where he was spying on the employees in Silver and Gold Coin.
[09:10.800 --> 09:14.720]  All of those transactions were fully visible to the IRS, and they didn't like what was
[09:14.720 --> 09:15.720]  going on.
[09:15.720 --> 09:20.240]  They found a way to clobber him with all kinds of charges.
[09:20.240 --> 09:27.040]  Of course, the first time around, he got either outright acquittal or no decision, so he was
[09:27.040 --> 09:31.880]  tried again, and I understand that second case didn't quite go as well as first one.
[09:31.880 --> 09:36.640]  So there's an issue there about whether he's a taxpayer, and if he is, then we have to
[09:36.640 --> 09:39.160]  look at everything differently.
[09:39.160 --> 09:43.960]  So as another one of the presumptions that we take into the equation here, I'm trying
[09:43.960 --> 09:50.440]  to understand that, where the party has not volunteered to be a taxpayer, then he has
[09:50.440 --> 09:56.160]  a little bit more choice about what to do with his commercial activity, and for that
[09:56.160 --> 10:02.560]  reason, he genuinely has a choice in his commercial activity about what choice of law to work
[10:02.560 --> 10:04.440]  on.
[10:04.440 --> 10:14.400]  So if one trades one's time for silver, gold, bushel of wheat, and a cattle, then, presuming
[10:14.400 --> 10:20.800]  the other choice of law and issue to be correct, then that transaction stays outside of this
[10:20.800 --> 10:21.800]  state.
[10:21.800 --> 10:26.720]  And the thing here is, again, there's a choice.
[10:26.720 --> 10:29.680]  We don't have as many choices right now as we think we do.
[10:29.680 --> 10:33.120]  We've got some other things we're going to have to take care of first to get to this
[10:33.120 --> 10:40.520]  economic free market nirvana, picking the choice of law where we want to be, and pick
[10:40.520 --> 10:46.000]  a choice of law that's outside the reach of the people that like to clobber the Von Noth
[10:46.000 --> 10:48.600]  houses of society.
[10:48.600 --> 10:52.520]  But that system has a duty of self-defense.
[10:52.520 --> 10:57.600]  All churches, all bodies of politics have a duty, it's not just a right, it's a duty
[10:57.600 --> 10:59.360]  of self-defense.
[10:59.360 --> 11:02.520]  That system is defending itself, okay?
[11:02.520 --> 11:05.360]  We're voluntarily supporting it by going with dollars.
[11:05.360 --> 11:09.840]  But anyway, fundamentally, we presume all the things away, and we talk about the money
[11:09.840 --> 11:17.080]  issue as the choice, as the mechanism by which we do the choice of law, and the theoretical
[11:17.080 --> 11:21.120]  101 introductory concept here.
[11:21.120 --> 11:24.400]  The question is, if we barter, are we outside of this state?
[11:24.400 --> 11:30.920]  And in that context of that scenario, the answer is yes, which is the whole point.
[11:30.920 --> 11:33.800]  And so that's excellent.
[11:33.800 --> 11:34.800]  That's excellent.
[11:34.800 --> 11:35.800]  Okay, we have some callers.
[11:35.800 --> 11:37.480]  Yes, we have some callers.
[11:37.480 --> 11:38.960]  We've got Ray Naylor Olenek.
[11:38.960 --> 11:44.000]  I hope I pronounced your name correctly, Ray, from Floride Free Austin.
[11:44.000 --> 11:47.240]  She has a question for Harmon.
[11:47.240 --> 11:48.240]  Ray, thank you for calling in.
[11:48.240 --> 11:50.240]  You're doing awesome work with Floride Free Austin.
[11:50.240 --> 11:56.120]  I'll plug your website in a moment, but what is your question for Harmon first?
[11:56.120 --> 11:58.680]  My question is a very simple one.
[11:58.680 --> 12:07.160]  This is a great program, and I've learned so much, but I did not catch where the language
[12:07.160 --> 12:09.960]  in this state originally comes from.
[12:09.960 --> 12:16.600]  Is it from the uniform commercial code, or where does it originate?
[12:16.600 --> 12:22.640]  The phrase this state comes from the minds of those that form these uniform state code
[12:22.640 --> 12:31.640]  things, and the thought actually has to have come from the lawyers and or the banking cartel
[12:31.640 --> 12:37.960]  leaders themselves, but it was a phrase coined by them and just written into the statutes.
[12:37.960 --> 12:42.640]  The definition I've provided, you'll never find anywhere in print.
[12:42.640 --> 12:45.320]  If that's where you're headed with this, it ain't there.
[12:45.320 --> 12:50.160]  There is no definition in any of the state codes for the phrase this state.
[12:50.160 --> 12:53.160]  Right, no, I'm not asking the definition.
[12:53.160 --> 12:55.320]  You've made that pretty clear.
[12:55.320 --> 12:57.600]  I mean, where will I see it written down?
[12:57.600 --> 13:02.480]  Okay, where you'll see it written down is in any of the state codes.
[13:02.480 --> 13:10.000]  Pick up a state code for any of the 54, 55 states, and most of the 50 states, certainly
[13:10.000 --> 13:15.680]  including DC, and you'll find the phrase this state in there so many times it'll choke a
[13:15.680 --> 13:16.680]  horse.
[13:16.680 --> 13:19.080]  Will you also find it in federal code, Harmon?
[13:19.080 --> 13:25.200]  In federal code, you'll find some shenanigans there.
[13:25.200 --> 13:28.920]  In the federal code, you'll find labels that look real familiar.
[13:28.920 --> 13:35.440]  Mississippi, New Mexico, Louisiana, Montana, okay, it's impossible for them to see the
[13:35.440 --> 13:36.440]  land.
[13:36.440 --> 13:37.440]  Why?
[13:37.440 --> 13:38.440]  Because they're in a funny money system.
[13:38.440 --> 13:41.720]  This is what makes this semantics game so tricky.
[13:41.720 --> 13:45.000]  There's certain limitations built into the language.
[13:45.000 --> 13:50.920]  So when it talks about Montana, when it talks about the Western District of Oklahoma, they're
[13:50.920 --> 13:51.920]  all federal zones.
[13:51.920 --> 13:53.200]  They have to be.
[13:53.200 --> 13:54.200]  Why?
[13:54.200 --> 13:58.440]  Because the only thing that they can see and the only thing the authors can see, the only
[13:58.440 --> 14:02.400]  thing that Congress can see, the only thing the executive can see, the only thing the
[14:02.400 --> 14:05.560]  judges can see is this state.
[14:05.560 --> 14:12.520]  So if we, if we, it's this state, everything is this state, now it may say Nebraska.
[14:12.520 --> 14:15.560]  That's not the Nebraska that's on the land, it can't be.
[14:15.560 --> 14:18.040]  They can't see the Nebraska on the land.
[14:18.040 --> 14:19.040]  They're in the hyper zone.
[14:19.040 --> 14:21.920]  They can't jump over that picket fence to get to the land.
[14:21.920 --> 14:26.960]  And so you'll find in the federal, the U.S. code, everything that looks normal.
[14:26.960 --> 14:32.520]  You'll see the phrase United States, you'll see names of states, you'll see references
[14:32.520 --> 14:33.520]  to districts.
[14:33.520 --> 14:37.840]  How do I, how do I describe a district?
[14:37.840 --> 14:41.960]  We know the judicial districts, that's the easy, that's the easy one.
[14:41.960 --> 14:50.160]  All the federal judicial, the federal judicial districts are overlays or the 3D transparency
[14:50.160 --> 14:55.720]  that we look through first and it looks like what's below it, but it's not.
[14:55.720 --> 14:58.800]  It's a clear clear clear.
[14:58.800 --> 15:08.760]  We'll see different zones set up, Buck Act zones and it's no different from saying that
[15:08.760 --> 15:15.160]  one popular soda water company sets up its sales territories one way and a competing
[15:15.160 --> 15:21.960]  soda water company sets up the exact same geographic place with different territories.
[15:21.960 --> 15:27.960]  And so we can take all the federal stuff and get all kinds of different overlays, they're
[15:27.960 --> 15:32.720]  all federal zones, it's just for this purpose the pie is cut this way, for that purpose
[15:32.720 --> 15:34.320]  it's cut that way.
[15:34.320 --> 15:40.360]  And so this state, that phrase is found in the state codes.
[15:40.360 --> 15:44.240]  It's the mechanism by which they trick us into thinking that this state, if we read
[15:44.240 --> 15:47.560]  it in Texas, means Texas, it doesn't.
[15:47.560 --> 15:53.000]  It means 48 contiguous states, Alaska, Hawaii, D.C., blah blah blah.
[15:53.000 --> 15:59.520]  And so this state as a phrase you'll find in every state code printed, because that
[15:59.520 --> 16:03.920]  is their jurisdictional limit.
[16:03.920 --> 16:08.400]  The concept is the exact same in the U.S. code, they just don't use the phrase this
[16:08.400 --> 16:12.200]  state in the U.S. code, does that help?
[16:12.200 --> 16:18.960]  Yes it does, this program has been a real eye-opener for me and I thank you so much.
[16:18.960 --> 16:25.040]  I have been baffled by this commercial code idea for a long time and you've done a great
[16:25.040 --> 16:27.000]  deal to set it straight.
[16:27.000 --> 16:31.680]  Alright, well thank you Ray and Ray why don't you plug your website, Ray is from Fluoride
[16:31.680 --> 16:33.800]  Free Austin, go ahead Ray.
[16:33.800 --> 16:39.800]  Thank you so much, it's www.fluoride.com.
[16:39.800 --> 16:46.280]  Ray are you there, oh she dropped off the line, well go to Fluoride Free Austin and
[16:46.280 --> 16:53.560]  that's spelled F-L-U-O-R-I-D, remember F-L-U flu, you know like the disease flu, Fluoride
[16:53.560 --> 17:00.840]  Free Austin, because fluoride makes you sick folks, alright we'll be right back.
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[19:58.800 --> 20:04.600]  Okay folks, we are back.
[20:04.600 --> 20:11.400]  So again, go to fluoride free Austin, F-L-U-O-R-I-D, that's how you spell it.
[20:11.400 --> 20:14.440]  Remember flu, it makes you sick.
[20:14.440 --> 20:19.160]  Fluoride free Austin, Ray and Linda are doing great work.
[20:19.160 --> 20:25.640]  I went to the city council hearing a couple weeks ago and oh, speaking of that, it was
[20:25.640 --> 20:31.040]  on the same day as a house bill hearing in the criminal jurisprudence committee in the
[20:31.040 --> 20:41.920]  house for the law, hopefully will become law, bill that has been introduced that would prohibit
[20:41.920 --> 20:47.040]  inappropriate offensive touching by public servants, any public servants, whether federal
[20:47.040 --> 20:48.040]  or state.
[20:48.040 --> 20:54.120]  I'm not talking about in the state, Harman, but state of Texas, they're all in this state,
[20:54.120 --> 21:01.680]  and at face value, state public servants that are commissioned by the state of Texas.
[21:01.680 --> 21:08.000]  At any rate, no offensive touching by any public servant as a means of standard security
[21:08.000 --> 21:15.000]  protocol as a prerequisite for entrance or access to a public facility.
[21:15.000 --> 21:20.360]  And at any rate, it was on the same day as the hearing regarding getting the fluoride
[21:20.360 --> 21:23.160]  out of our water supply here in Austin.
[21:23.160 --> 21:27.440]  And speaking of public hearings, I have an announcement to make.
[21:27.440 --> 21:37.600]  House Bill 1938, this is the bill that is the sister bill to getting rid of the offensive
[21:37.600 --> 21:38.600]  touching.
[21:38.600 --> 21:47.600]  This is a sister bill that would banish the naked body scanners from any public facility
[21:47.600 --> 21:49.400]  as a means of security protocol.
[21:49.400 --> 21:52.820]  That means municipal airports, that means courthouses, that means anything.
[21:52.820 --> 21:55.840]  So we need to get out and support the public hearing.
[21:55.840 --> 21:59.080]  It's scheduled for this Wednesday, April 6th.
[21:59.080 --> 22:02.080]  And again, we're not going to know what time.
[22:02.080 --> 22:06.280]  When it came to the other bill, it was 11 p.m. by the time they actually heard the bill.
[22:06.280 --> 22:10.700]  Now, several of us are going to organize and go down there, and we're going to tag team
[22:10.700 --> 22:17.040]  with Twitters and text messages and chats and such so that the whole community isn't
[22:17.040 --> 22:23.600]  out there waiting all day long, hopefully, in order to say our piece at the committee
[22:23.600 --> 22:25.040]  hearing down at the legislature.
[22:25.040 --> 22:27.000]  But mark it on your calendars.
[22:27.000 --> 22:33.440]  I'm going to be writing notices on ruleoflawradio.com.
[22:33.440 --> 22:40.080]  This is this Wednesday, April 6th, House Bill 1938 committee hearing in the Transportation
[22:40.080 --> 22:41.080]  Committee.
[22:41.080 --> 22:47.200]  We banish all naked body scanners, whether it's a millimeter machine or the backscatter
[22:47.200 --> 22:48.200]  machine.
[22:48.200 --> 22:51.560]  So I just wanted to put that on the table there for you folks.
[22:51.560 --> 22:52.560]  Put that on your calendars.
[22:52.560 --> 22:54.680]  Those of you who are in Texas, especially in Austin.
[22:54.680 --> 23:00.240]  Now getting back to the topic at hand, the UCC code, Harmon, you had some comments on
[23:00.240 --> 23:01.240]  that.
[23:01.240 --> 23:02.240]  Yeah.
[23:02.240 --> 23:03.240]  Just wanted to read cuts on that again.
[23:03.240 --> 23:12.400]  The UCC has a very specific purpose, and that's to change the money out.
[23:12.400 --> 23:22.200]  For the money to be funny money and for it to be lawful, we have to change dollar in
[23:22.200 --> 23:24.840]  two different levels.
[23:24.840 --> 23:33.600]  All of the state entities have to abandon their origin and get on board that barge that's
[23:33.600 --> 23:38.480]  docked in, that's stuck in the middle of the Rhine River in Germany.
[23:38.480 --> 23:41.080]  They've all got to get on board with that.
[23:41.080 --> 23:43.120]  That's what the UCC does.
[23:43.120 --> 23:51.080]  Its primary purpose is to gut the honest weights and measure system and make it lawful.
[23:51.080 --> 23:53.960]  It creates the marketplace in the Hover Zone.
[23:53.960 --> 23:59.640]  It creates the Hover Zone at the state level, the state law.
[23:59.640 --> 24:04.400]  That's the fundamental purpose of the Uniform Commercial Code.
[24:04.400 --> 24:11.840]  The national laws change, that's Title 31, where they specifically undefined the dollar.
[24:11.840 --> 24:14.720]  It's defined and it's circular, which means there's no definition.
[24:14.720 --> 24:21.520]  This is why Bernanke's answer to Representative Paul is excellent.
[24:21.520 --> 24:23.000]  Let's just hear him.
[24:23.000 --> 24:27.880]  He didn't evade answering that question, he answered it brilliantly.
[24:27.880 --> 24:30.920]  He says the dollar is what you can get for it.
[24:30.920 --> 24:33.240]  In other words, there's no definition.
[24:33.240 --> 24:38.600]  It's a per-transaction thing and if we understand that, that there's no definition, we understand
[24:38.600 --> 24:42.800]  that we're not under the law of the land because under the law of the land there's a very specific
[24:42.800 --> 24:43.800]  definition.
[24:43.800 --> 24:47.520]  It's 370-some odd grains of fine silver.
[24:47.520 --> 24:52.720]  That's the Uniform Commercial Code and when we start there, where we understand that that
[24:52.720 --> 25:02.720]  entire Uniform Code exists for the singular purpose of redefining dollar, then we understand
[25:02.720 --> 25:04.720]  everything else fits into place.
[25:04.720 --> 25:05.720]  Everything.
[25:05.720 --> 25:08.240]  Okay, we have another caller.
[25:08.240 --> 25:09.240]  We have more callers.
[25:09.240 --> 25:10.720]  We've got John from Texas.
[25:10.720 --> 25:12.360]  John, thank you for calling in.
[25:12.360 --> 25:15.200]  What is your question or comment for our guest, Harmon Taylor?
[25:15.200 --> 25:17.240]  Yes, Mr. Harmon Taylor.
[25:17.240 --> 25:20.000]  Man, I started out with one simple question.
[25:20.000 --> 25:25.000]  I have a whole bunch of them, but the other callers did a very good job also.
[25:25.000 --> 25:31.920]  My question is my grandfather told me an interesting analogy and I'm trying to use it with your
[25:31.920 --> 25:37.240]  guys is that if we're on land and then there's an ocean, if you jump in the ocean, no matter
[25:37.240 --> 25:43.820]  what business you do in that ocean, you're still going to have a hard time breathing
[25:43.820 --> 25:46.320]  and you'll be holding your breath the whole time.
[25:46.320 --> 25:48.400]  I never understood it until, of course, I got older.
[25:48.400 --> 25:53.280]  He told me that when I was in high school, but that's basically as the other callers
[25:53.280 --> 25:58.360]  had called in earlier, he was saying operating and your own, something about operating and
[25:58.360 --> 26:03.320]  investing your own, pretty much being your own bank, which is true, but during that whole
[26:03.320 --> 26:07.800]  time you're operating in their system and you're also what my grandfather called it
[26:07.800 --> 26:13.720]  was holding your breath, meaning they can change the system at any time they want, which
[26:13.720 --> 26:19.200]  comes to my original question, while we're conversing about all the ways in which the
[26:19.200 --> 26:26.520]  system works and which we put ourselves into, isn't it true that they change the system
[26:26.520 --> 26:31.880]  while we're sitting over here trying to figure it out, they change it once we are trying
[26:31.880 --> 26:35.280]  to figure it out to suit them better, is that correct?
[26:35.280 --> 26:42.200]  The change is very real and yeah, I'm going to quantify and therefore limit the concept
[26:42.200 --> 26:48.400]  of change a little bit, not a lot, yes, we're dealing with a moving target system that is
[26:48.400 --> 26:50.880]  a critical concept here.
[26:50.880 --> 26:58.480]  Now, what has not changed, what has not changed is the fundamental choice of law.
[26:58.480 --> 27:04.280]  Once we went from a legitimate system to an illegitimate system, we literally moved across
[27:04.280 --> 27:08.560]  the channel, we went from Great Britain to Germany, so we're in Germany right now, we're
[27:08.560 --> 27:14.680]  stuck on a land barge, a huge deck, but we're stuck on the deck of land barge in the middle
[27:14.680 --> 27:19.800]  of the Rhine River in Germany for choice of law purposes, if we can understand this maritime
[27:19.800 --> 27:25.760]  scenario or we can think about the hyper zone in the air, we're in a totally different world,
[27:25.760 --> 27:32.240]  that has not changed and so when they come up with the new currency for the North America
[27:32.240 --> 27:37.200]  Union and then when they try to bring continents together, North and South America with yet
[27:37.200 --> 27:42.480]  another currency and then get to one global currency, it'll all be funny money and what
[27:42.480 --> 27:47.760]  that means is we're totally in a commercial world, everything functions in that maritime
[27:47.760 --> 27:49.640]  world, that will not change.
[27:49.640 --> 27:55.000]  Now, what has changed, they've changed the policy about what we're agreeing to and they've
[27:55.000 --> 28:01.680]  been shoving that in our face gradually, they say, oh, war on poverty, oh, war on drugs,
[28:01.680 --> 28:07.200]  oh, war against terrorism and under this disguise that, oh, we're going to benefit you, they've
[28:07.200 --> 28:13.040]  been changing legislatively and you're 100% correct about this, critical point to understand,
[28:13.040 --> 28:19.160]  the change in the terms of the deal, the terms of the deal get worse and worse and worse,
[28:19.160 --> 28:25.320]  what do we have right now, Obama death health scare, the Obama death care thing, what is
[28:25.320 --> 28:26.320]  that?
[28:26.320 --> 28:37.720]  Well, to run all of that into a very oversimplified condensation, taxpayers have now to get insurance,
[28:37.720 --> 28:41.920]  taxpayers have to get insurance, we didn't have that before, now we have it, it gets
[28:41.920 --> 28:45.560]  worse and worse and worse, how are they able to do that?
[28:45.560 --> 28:50.040]  Because none of that stuff functions without the agreement, none of it functions without
[28:50.040 --> 28:55.040]  the agreement and that's the critical thing, they changed the fundamental choice of law
[28:55.040 --> 29:01.120]  so they can run a different evaluation standard on the gotcha agreements and that's what keeps
[29:01.120 --> 29:05.560]  them in the position that they're in, we don't know that we're dealing with agreements and
[29:05.560 --> 29:11.320]  therefore we don't know to examine that at that level and so, yes, the agreements change,
[29:11.320 --> 29:17.240]  the evaluation standard does not because the choice of law does not, so when we understand
[29:17.240 --> 29:22.120]  it at the base of the matter then we can say, oh, well, maybe we don't really have to, and
[29:22.120 --> 29:27.040]  I love the way you phrase it, we get ourselves into it, yes, we do, the problem is with us
[29:27.040 --> 29:33.680]  and therefore the solution is with us, the readers on my list here may go on regularly
[29:33.680 --> 29:39.720]  and note political solutions to our commercial problems and so, anyway, yeah, there are changes
[29:39.720 --> 29:44.160]  in the terms of the agreement, fundamental choice of law does not change, excellent question,
[29:44.160 --> 29:45.160]  thank you.
[29:45.160 --> 29:47.720]  Alright, John, do you have anything else for Harmon?
[29:47.720 --> 29:49.840]  No, no, thank you.
[29:49.840 --> 29:53.960]  Okay, alright, great, alright, we'll be right back folks, thanks for calling in, we're going
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[31:56.480 --> 32:16.960]  Yeah, yeah, oh, mm, yeah, I won't let you go, I won't let you go.
[32:16.960 --> 32:41.040]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[32:41.040 --> 32:45.680]  We're taking your calls for our very special guest, Harmon Taylor, good friend Harmon Taylor.
[32:45.680 --> 32:52.600]  And we are going to go now to Roger in Washington. Roger, thank you for calling in. What is your
[32:52.600 --> 32:57.200]  question or comment for Harmon Taylor? Good evening, everyone, and thank you very much for
[32:57.200 --> 33:07.400]  this show. Let me tell you how I'm feeling first. I feel at least from what I can, if I can put
[33:07.400 --> 33:16.160]  myself in the position of a black slave being emancipated and then turned loose from the
[33:16.160 --> 33:24.240]  plantation. And then one asks oneself, now what? How do I live? And it's kind of confusing.
[33:24.240 --> 33:38.920]  I fully have changed my beliefs years ago and can make that big jump from what was taught to me
[33:38.920 --> 33:49.400]  and what reality is. Trouble is I'm having a hard time engaging the gears. Basically,
[33:49.400 --> 34:01.240]  it's hard to understand how to get out of using Federal Reserve notes and get by in the world
[34:01.240 --> 34:09.920]  when everyone accepts them and the government sits on them for paying taxes. And I read a book
[34:09.920 --> 34:18.800]  about a month ago called They Own It All Including You. I would highly recommend that book. He speaks
[34:18.800 --> 34:27.120]  of a Federal Reserve note as being the mark of the beast. And everything it touches, it transfers
[34:27.120 --> 34:34.960]  that mark to it and claims therefore that we own nothing even though we paid our quote money for
[34:34.960 --> 34:44.920]  it. And I see this, and you were speaking about guns earlier. I see this, for example, when one
[34:44.920 --> 34:52.360]  buys a gun, there's a form. If you buy it through an FFLD, there's a form you fill out. And on the
[34:52.360 --> 34:59.240]  form it says, are you a U.S. citizen? Well, naturally, I've always marked it yes. And of course,
[34:59.240 --> 35:09.200]  therein I give away all my rights. Is that true, Harmon? We could do a four-hour program on what
[35:09.200 --> 35:18.320]  he's talked about so far. We'll come back to that. And I also understand, and I believe I've read it,
[35:18.320 --> 35:27.200]  that if you aren't a U.S. citizen, you aren't quote legal to buy or possess a firearm. In other words,
[35:27.200 --> 35:32.800]  whether you're an illegal or legal alien, you're not supposed to own a firearm. I believe a legal
[35:32.800 --> 35:40.480]  alien can get a permit for purchasing one. But that aside, that's what I'm looking at. It's like,
[35:40.480 --> 35:45.880]  how do you make it in the world and avoid the mark of the beast other than everybody saying,
[35:45.880 --> 35:52.680]  okay, enough. We're not dealing with this anymore. We're creating our own money as a nation.
[35:52.680 --> 36:03.680]  The presentation you have there is shared by 99.9% of the people listening to this program and
[36:03.680 --> 36:09.240]  listening to conservative talk show programs across the nation, perhaps across the entirety
[36:09.240 --> 36:17.280]  of the Western world. So just as an introductory response, you're in very good company. I should
[36:17.280 --> 36:24.640]  also put at this juncture, the full answer of what I think you're talking about. I charge a
[36:24.640 --> 36:32.400]  pretty handsome price to teach people. There's so much in what you talked about. There are so many
[36:32.400 --> 36:39.840]  false presumptions in the book that you mentioned and the approach to the entire legal mechanism
[36:39.840 --> 36:46.920]  that to go about the thinking that you're in. It's excellent. It's excellent. You put a lot of time
[36:46.920 --> 36:54.840]  into it. My point is the habit of thought that we have, we presumably understand the legal nature
[36:54.840 --> 37:03.400]  of things and then construct solutions and responses to it. The legal system that you have in mind to
[37:03.400 --> 37:11.080]  respond to is very different in reality than it should be. And so with all of that is the introduction.
[37:11.080 --> 37:19.000]  How do we deal with what we're dealing with? And I'm going to answer that with a question. And the
[37:19.000 --> 37:27.200]  question is just here's the first place to start. Where does the second amendment permit stuff apply?
[37:27.200 --> 37:33.440]  Is this academic question and you may or may not have heard the first part of the show and if you
[37:33.440 --> 37:39.880]  have you may have the answer. It's intended to be answered easily. In the state. There you go. Where
[37:39.880 --> 37:47.080]  does that stuff apply in this state? And so I'll tell you and everyone understands the difference
[37:47.080 --> 37:55.280]  there. The concept to understand is we do not have to trade there. We don't have to trade there. Now
[37:55.280 --> 38:01.080]  I'm going to share another concept with you. Citizenship has been an extremely popular concept.
[38:01.080 --> 38:09.400]  It started I'm very comfortable in suggesting this. It started in the tax protest areas and the
[38:09.400 --> 38:16.280]  people there back in the 50's that really got upset with it said well obviously this is citizenship
[38:16.280 --> 38:22.400]  so what I need to do to get out of the income tax thing is expatriate. And that still lingers to this
[38:22.400 --> 38:26.920]  day. They think that citizenship has something to do with income tax. It doesn't have a thing to do with it.
[38:26.920 --> 38:37.480]  And we know that. This is a flip side. We know that because there's such thing as a 1044 in our 1044
[38:37.480 --> 38:44.160]  nonresident. There's nothing about income tax has anything to do with citizenship. If it did there
[38:44.160 --> 38:51.160]  wouldn't be a 1040 in our. We're coming in the back door in our thinking. But if a foreigner has an
[38:51.160 --> 39:00.840]  income tax obligation then we're not limited to citizenship. So anyway the questions you have are
[39:00.840 --> 39:08.800]  excellent. It takes for some people working with me on a fairly regular basis as in weekly months
[39:08.800 --> 39:17.840]  to get their mind out of where they are. It can be for some a few years to go over it and over it and
[39:17.840 --> 39:24.080]  over it. It's a repetition thing because we've got to be comfortable enough with the difference to
[39:24.080 --> 39:32.200]  turn loose of where we're starting to get across that bridge. But the fundamental premise in the
[39:32.200 --> 39:39.840]  question is how do I exist in this state? And the answer is we need to know that there's a different
[39:39.840 --> 39:48.440]  place now. The rest of that is it's not easy. And to address another really important part of what
[39:48.440 --> 39:54.880]  you're asking the thing that I encourage very regularly in the notes that I send out to the
[39:54.880 --> 40:03.000]  list is that the solution starts with the mom and pop shops. The mom and pop shops in America have
[40:03.000 --> 40:10.120]  led America through every problem if they've been the solution to every problem this nation's ever
[40:10.120 --> 40:15.720]  faced since no different now. The mom and pop shops have the same problem everyone else does.
[40:15.720 --> 40:23.040]  There's a huge preference right now for funny money. Okay, they've got to allow some people to
[40:23.040 --> 40:30.360]  discharge their obligations with funny money. Now when they'll open up the option and say you can
[40:30.360 --> 40:38.040]  get these goods and services, goods and or services, for such and such silver, such and such gold,
[40:38.040 --> 40:43.200]  such and such bushel of wheat, pick something. We're back to Randy's question about barter.
[40:43.200 --> 40:50.960]  Then we're starting to open the gate back to using legitimate money. It's going to be a while
[40:50.960 --> 40:56.040]  before any of that's really going to take place. There's certain people that are already doing
[40:56.040 --> 41:02.160]  nothing but honest weights and measures for their goods and services. It's going to be a while
[41:02.160 --> 41:08.880]  before most people do that. Right now we've got to do both and where we understand that there's a
[41:08.880 --> 41:13.560]  difference. I think that's part of the marketplace problem. It's just an educational deal. There's a
[41:13.560 --> 41:20.400]  choice there. It's okay to exercise that choice. So the answer starts with your being able to go
[41:20.400 --> 41:27.160]  get something that you want or need and trade silver, gold, etc. for it. When that happens,
[41:27.160 --> 41:31.660]  those people are going to have gold and silver on their end to trade and they're going to be
[41:31.660 --> 41:37.920]  looking for something else in the way of services and products for gold and silver. Once that starts,
[41:37.920 --> 41:46.160]  it's already started. Once that starts, there's going to be an attraction for that. Right now
[41:46.160 --> 41:51.200]  we've got Ithaca bucks. We've got Berkshares. We've got these other alternate currencies.
[41:51.200 --> 41:59.700]  As those alternate currencies turn away from paper and into hard assets, then the question
[41:59.700 --> 42:04.880]  that's the burning question that you've got, it's excellent. We've got to face the fact that it
[42:04.880 --> 42:10.840]  isn't easy right now. How do we exist? We exist with Federal Reserve notes. If we get silver in,
[42:10.840 --> 42:17.080]  sometimes we have to trade that for paper to discharge our month-to-month obligations. We're
[42:17.080 --> 42:23.600]  just stuck with that right now. In time, we'll be able to pay for some of this stuff just head on
[42:23.600 --> 42:32.720]  with the metal. In time, we just encourage it. We just encourage it. We give a discount maybe for
[42:32.720 --> 42:39.040]  using honest weights and measures. We do something to realize it's beyond the business. It's the
[42:39.040 --> 42:45.040]  defense of the nation and the defense of this concept called liberty. You've got so many
[42:45.040 --> 42:49.680]  excellent questions. I'm not kidding. Some of the people I've worked with, I've worked with for two
[42:49.680 --> 42:57.760]  or three years. We're still going back to some of this. It just takes a while. It starts with
[42:57.760 --> 43:01.680]  understanding the difference, which is what we're doing here in the context of the Von Nothouse
[43:01.680 --> 43:06.800]  case, understanding where dollar is and where it isn't. Then as that word gets around, oh, we've got
[43:06.800 --> 43:12.640]  a choice. Then some people in their small businesses are going to start offering that choice. Just look
[43:12.640 --> 43:17.520]  for it. Go see if the people that are offering that offer goods and services that you need.
[43:18.080 --> 43:22.400]  If they're the quality that you're interested in and if they've got it, you might want to trade
[43:22.400 --> 43:30.480]  with them just to make sure that that gets started. We just start that direction.
[43:30.480 --> 43:37.440]  I would start with farmers markets. Instead of going to the ATB or whatever your local grocery
[43:37.440 --> 43:46.320]  store is, try to go to the local farmers markets and offer the vendors there gold or silver.
[43:46.320 --> 43:51.760]  Probably gold is too much, but offer some silver coins for a bag of groceries because they are
[43:51.760 --> 43:56.640]  producing. They are producers. They're taking raw materials and producing food. Roger, hang on.
[43:56.640 --> 44:04.240]  We'll be right back. Okay. It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the
[44:04.240 --> 44:09.280]  internet isn't so easy and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with. Oh, well,
[44:09.280 --> 44:14.880]  I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then. Brave New Books? Yes, Brave New Books has all the
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[46:22.800 --> 46:31.920]  Always, I must be careful what I'm wishing for. When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm
[46:31.920 --> 46:41.280]  fishing for. I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton. I'm just here making my
[46:41.280 --> 46:52.800]  living pushing buttons. I get my message out to anyone in shout and distance, both for bravery and
[46:52.800 --> 47:00.880]  against slavery, showing resistance. First I'm crawling, then I'm walking, then I stop strutting.
[47:00.880 --> 47:22.000]  I'm just so glad to make my living pushing buttons. We sat down to play Monopoly. We all
[47:22.000 --> 47:28.640]  wanted to win the game. We gave some guy this money supply. We must have not been thinking
[47:28.640 --> 47:35.680]  with brains. After some time, worth of my time, got beat down to dinner. Nothing I might have been
[47:35.680 --> 47:55.200]  too known right. Still, I make my living pushing buttons. There's a man over there with ammunition
[47:55.200 --> 48:01.840]  looking for a brand new chance. All right folks, we are back with a very special guest and very
[48:02.400 --> 48:08.480]  special friend, Harmon Taylor. We're taking your calls. All right, Roger, did you have anything
[48:08.480 --> 48:16.000]  else for Harmon? Yes, I was wanting to get a little clarification on one item. It has to do with the
[48:16.000 --> 48:23.760]  gun issue. Are you a U.S. citizen? Another way they could have stated that is, do you choose the law
[48:23.760 --> 48:30.720]  in this state? Is that correct? Yes. Okay, if you answer no, I don't choose the law in this state.
[48:32.480 --> 48:42.720]  The FFLD would probably say, well then I can't sell you this gun. Correct. So that's the point
[48:42.720 --> 48:49.920]  that, and you can apply this across the board to anything, but that's a good example of what I'm
[48:49.920 --> 48:56.720]  trying to figure out. Let's focus on the gun issue. What you're dealing with there is a problem that
[48:56.720 --> 49:02.480]  I have not yet been able to crack and probably because I've just been focusing on some other
[49:02.480 --> 49:09.040]  things, but most of the gun dealers think that because the ATF shows up that they've got to do
[49:09.040 --> 49:16.720]  this and that. And what you're talking about here is the reality that they don't have to use that
[49:16.720 --> 49:23.680]  license for that transaction. There's more to it than using dollars and not using dollars.
[49:23.680 --> 49:29.280]  Be very careful here. We're just at the threshold of this. It gets the discussion out.
[49:30.240 --> 49:37.600]  But where we start with that, to understand we have a choice, and this is the point tonight.
[49:38.240 --> 49:42.240]  It's the point with Von Nott House. It's the point generically we have a choice.
[49:42.240 --> 49:47.760]  There are two choices of law out there. There are two bodies of law evidenced by two totally
[49:47.760 --> 49:54.720]  separate money systems. And when we start to understand it's okay to understand the difference
[49:54.720 --> 50:01.120]  and that they've got differences. Why has nothing worked in the past? Because we've come at what is
[50:02.240 --> 50:10.880]  with concepts from what should be. Let me rephrase that. We've thrown law of the land at problems in
[50:10.880 --> 50:18.000]  this state. And they just bounce off like they're hitting off a rubber bumper in the bumper pull
[50:18.000 --> 50:26.560]  table. So where you're headed is how do I deal with the gun dealer who says I've got to get all
[50:26.560 --> 50:33.360]  these forms out? And the answer is just keep shopping. The answer is just keep shopping.
[50:34.000 --> 50:39.680]  I'm just as satisfied as I can be standing here, well sitting here, that there will be someone out
[50:39.680 --> 50:45.680]  there in the gun area that starts to click on this and say you know what I really and truly have a
[50:45.680 --> 50:52.960]  choice here. I've got activity if I want to go into this state. I'm licensed in this state and
[50:52.960 --> 51:00.080]  can transact there until the cows come home. Okay it's Sunday. I don't want to transact in this state.
[51:00.080 --> 51:08.160]  I'm not using the license today. Okay so transaction occurs. Presume all the rest of the stuff is done.
[51:08.160 --> 51:14.400]  Outside of this state can the feds compel a choice of law that parties choose? No. This is the point.
[51:14.400 --> 51:21.600]  I've been B. Saunders. Choice of law is an element of the deal. No one can be compelled into a deal
[51:21.600 --> 51:29.120]  ever. Choice of law is a choice. So Harmon does that mean that if you enter into an agreement you
[51:29.120 --> 51:36.960]  can't subsequently go back and say you were compelled into it? You can say duress and coercion
[51:36.960 --> 51:43.840]  except that doesn't work in this state. Now having said that I'll back off and say it doesn't work
[51:43.840 --> 51:49.280]  99 percent of the time. There are times when one is compelled into a deal. It's just that it doesn't
[51:49.280 --> 51:55.440]  happen very often in this state. Especially, especially when the other side is some governmental
[51:55.440 --> 52:02.960]  entity or agency. The law will presume voluntary association there every time. We're never coerced
[52:02.960 --> 52:09.520]  into it. This is something we've got to understand. Von Nauhaus was not compelled to put dollar on
[52:09.520 --> 52:17.840]  there. He did that on his own. He walked right into their snare and so we have to understand
[52:17.840 --> 52:25.360]  there's a difference. Where we understand that ATF has a lot of power in the hover zone then we can
[52:25.360 --> 52:33.440]  wave at them and respect them and do everything courteously in and around them and then choose
[52:34.480 --> 52:40.240]  whether we want to be in the hover zone or not. Harmon, let me ask you this. Could you
[52:42.320 --> 52:52.080]  could one purchase a firearm, fill out the form, check yes to are you a U.S. citizen and then
[52:52.080 --> 52:59.520]  sign it with UCC 308 slash 102? Well, everything that you've described of course is possible and
[52:59.520 --> 53:05.360]  people do that all the time and all they do there is lock themselves into this state with super glue.
[53:06.000 --> 53:12.800]  Really? I hear that. Yeah. Where's the UCC? In this state. Yeah. So what happens when you
[53:12.800 --> 53:23.760]  use a UCC reference? You just superglued yourself to their authority. There's nothing that unsticks
[53:23.760 --> 53:32.480]  you from that transaction. But I thought that was what worked with driver's license. Well,
[53:32.480 --> 53:36.720]  what does a driver's license work for? Who has a driver's license? Someone who wants
[53:36.720 --> 53:45.760]  to engage in the transportation business. Name me. Yeah, name me either. That line of commerce
[53:45.760 --> 53:51.760]  called transportation where? Where does the transportation code apply? In this state again.
[53:51.760 --> 53:57.920]  Right. Where does any license that exists right now apply? All in this state. Correct. Correct.
[53:57.920 --> 54:03.040]  We have a choice. If someone wants to engage in transportation in this state, I'm not going to
[54:03.040 --> 54:09.680]  get in their way. It's their discretion. They get to pick. We can't compel them not to.
[54:11.120 --> 54:17.200]  The state can't compel them into it and it's individual discretion. But yeah,
[54:17.200 --> 54:23.840]  what you're wrestling with here is just so good. It's a wrestling match. It's uncomfortable right
[54:23.840 --> 54:29.040]  now. We're getting into this threshold of saying, oh my God, there really is something else out there
[54:29.040 --> 54:34.080]  and now we're sort of getting a distant glimpse of the tip of the iceberg about it. So what do we
[54:34.080 --> 54:40.080]  do? Well, I'm just going to bring it right back to the fundamentals. Here's the analogy. We've got an
[54:40.080 --> 54:47.040]  eight-cylinder motor. All of the wires going to the spark plugs are black. In your mind, seven of
[54:47.040 --> 54:54.000]  them are black and one of them that is now very shiny bright blue. And by the end of the week,
[54:54.000 --> 54:59.920]  if you reflect on this or hear the archives of the show, another one on the other side is not going
[54:59.920 --> 55:05.760]  to be black. It's going to be a very shiny red. And pretty soon you're going to have eight new wires
[55:05.760 --> 55:13.760]  on this motor and your entire world is going to run differently. It's a struggle. This is not
[55:13.760 --> 55:20.400]  comfortable stuff, but we go through it because we know we have to. I think about it as being drag
[55:20.400 --> 55:26.800]  kicking and screaming attached to a rope attached to a horse. I'm butt naked and the horse is running
[55:26.800 --> 55:34.480]  through a field of frozen prickly pear. It is not a comfortable ride. That's pretty rough, Harmon.
[55:34.480 --> 55:42.160]  I mean, it's uncomfortable. It is an uncomfortable ride and that's what I intend to describe. And so
[55:42.160 --> 55:47.040]  what I'm hearing in the questions is, yeah, we're sort of seeing a tip of the iceberg here and this
[55:47.040 --> 55:52.320]  is not a comfortable site. It's not. It's not. And we're going to wake up one day saying, oh my God,
[55:52.320 --> 56:00.800]  we had a choice about all this all along? Yeah. We had a choice about this from day one. We have
[56:00.800 --> 56:07.360]  choice. Did you say you offer a seminar or going to or do you have it? Yeah, the thing that I'm
[56:07.360 --> 56:14.960]  working on right now are some books. And I don't do much seminars. I do private education, as it
[56:14.960 --> 56:21.520]  were, private consulting. And the bulk of the effort there is to go through what tends to be a
[56:21.520 --> 56:28.160]  mountain of material that seems familiar until we reread it again with new glasses. And so what I
[56:28.160 --> 56:35.920]  do with those interested in doing that is charge a pretty handsome fee and just start debunking all
[56:35.920 --> 56:44.320]  the false premises we have. It takes a while. How can one contact you? Let me give you an email.
[56:44.320 --> 56:52.080]  You ready? It's two words separated by an underscore character. The first word is legal,
[56:52.080 --> 57:06.880]  L-E-G-A-L underscore reality, R-E-A-L-I-T-Y, at earthlink.net. Harman, I hope you realize you're
[57:06.880 --> 57:12.960]  going to get barraged with hundreds of thousands of emails now. You just gave out your email address
[57:12.960 --> 57:21.360]  on the air. Yeah, that's fine. That particular address is designed for that. And when I've got
[57:21.360 --> 57:29.360]  time, then I can invest some time on the email. So yeah, when they know the email has been received,
[57:29.360 --> 57:35.040]  and it may be a few days before I can get to it, that's fine. You're going to be a lot of similar
[57:35.040 --> 57:46.880]  questions there. And it's okay. It's okay. So yeah, there's a lot to cover. And we do what we can on
[57:46.880 --> 57:54.720]  the air. And I've got a mountain of other things to do. But as I have time, if it's short kinds of
[57:54.720 --> 57:59.680]  discussion stuff, we focus a little bit on what we're talking about. We can cover some stuff on
[57:59.680 --> 58:05.840]  email, can't cover on the air. All right, listen, we're at the top of the hour break. Roger, thank
[58:05.840 --> 58:10.880]  you for calling in. Thank you for such excellent questions. Thank you for an excellent show. All
[58:10.880 --> 58:15.600]  right. Okay, thank you. Thank you. All right, we're going into hour four now. We're at the top of the
[58:15.600 --> 58:21.680]  hour break. Harman, do you want to stay with us? Absolutely. All right, what a trooper. All right,
[58:21.680 --> 58:26.880]  we're here. We're going into hour four here on Rule of Law Radio, ruleoflawradio.com. Hannibal,
[58:26.880 --> 58:32.160]  Jerry, Michael, Mike, y'all are up next. Just stay on the line. We got one more hour with Harman
[58:32.160 --> 58:39.760]  Taylor. If you'd like to call in and ask any questions, 512-646-1984. We will be right back.
[58:39.760 --> 58:57.360]  Please enjoy the top of the hour news, INN World Report Radio. We'll be right back.
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[01:00:04.640 --> 01:00:10.240]  rallies were held in Sanaa, the Yemeni capital, Friday for and against President Ali Abdullah
[01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:16.480]  Saleh. Yemen's state TV showed large crowds of Saleh supporters outside the presidential palace.
[01:00:17.120 --> 01:00:22.160]  Opposition leaders said their side's turnout was the largest yet, with hundreds of thousands of
[01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:30.960]  people in Change Square demanding Saleh end his 32-year rule. Ohio Governor John Kasich Thursday
[01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:37.200]  signed a bill that curbs collective bargaining rights and bans strikes affecting about 360,000
[01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:43.200]  public workers, making Ohio the most populous state to pass anti-union legislation this year.
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[01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:54.880]  union members. Several other states are considering anti-union legislation, and the issue is sure to
[01:00:54.880 --> 01:01:01.840]  be a factor in the 2012 elections. At least eight people were killed at a UN center in the northern
[01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:08.080]  Afghan city of Mazar-e-Sharif when protests against the burning of the Quran termed violent.
[01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:14.320]  Demonstrators stormed the UN office, opening fire on guards and setting fires inside the compound
[01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:20.720]  after reports an evangelical pastor burned a copy of the Muslim holy book in Florida last month.
[01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:27.760]  Two of those killed were beheaded by protesters. Thousands of Egyptians gathered in Cairo's Tahrir
[01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:33.520]  Square Friday demanding an end to corruption and the dismantling of former dictator Hasni Mubarak's
[01:01:33.520 --> 01:01:39.280]  National Democratic Party. Egyptians are once again witnessing the repression they had hoped was gone
[01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:44.000]  with the overthrow of Mubarak in February. A popular blogger was arrested in his home
[01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:50.160]  this week after publishing scathing criticisms of Egypt's interim government. Several detainees have
[01:01:50.160 --> 01:01:55.360]  alleged they were tortured by the military, which assumed power following Mubarak's ouster.
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[01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:06.640]  control for more than 30 years, is quietly regrouping. Analysts believe remnants of the
[01:02:06.640 --> 01:02:11.600]  party, which claims about two million members, could be a strong competitor in September
[01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:19.200]  parliamentary elections. Dira Abu Sisi, a Gaza engineer who disappeared in Ukraine in February
[01:02:19.200 --> 01:02:25.120]  and resurfaced in an Israeli prison, spoke to reporters for the first time Thursday saying he
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[01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:54.000]  abduction in order to sabotage a key electric power plant in the Gaza Strip, where he worked
[01:02:54.000 --> 01:03:11.760]  as a senior manager. You are listening to the rule of law radio network at ruleoflawradio.com
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[01:03:41.760 --> 01:04:00.160]  Okay, folks, we are back. We're taking your calls. We're into the final hour with a very
[01:04:00.160 --> 01:04:07.840]  special guest and good friend, Harmon Taylor. We are going now to Hannibal in New York. Hannibal,
[01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:13.760]  what is your question or comment for Harmon Taylor? Actually, I don't have a question
[01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:24.800]  or comment for Mr. Taylor. It's more of a thank you for Eddie, Deborah, and Randy for your help
[01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:33.040]  with posting your motions and all the help you give. It actually helped me get out of a situation
[01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:40.800]  with a speeding trial motion because DA was giving me the runaround when I was making oral
[01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:49.040]  motions at court. When I finally put the motions in, all of a sudden they decided to dismiss the
[01:04:49.040 --> 01:04:55.840]  whole case and not pursue anything. Well, I'm so happy that we were able to help you,
[01:04:55.840 --> 01:05:03.840]  Hannibal, that our information was helpful to you. Yeah. That's what we're here for. Great
[01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:10.000]  information. It works. All right. Well, I'm glad we were helpful. That's what we're here for.
[01:05:11.040 --> 01:05:21.120]  All right. That's about it. I'll let the other callers get to Mr. Taylor. Do I get to crow
[01:05:21.120 --> 01:05:26.560]  like a rooster? Go ahead, Randy. Yow like a cat, Randy.
[01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:40.480]  I get no respect. You drink one glass of kitty litter and this is what you get.
[01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:47.120]  Thank you, Hannibal. Thanks for the kudos, Hannibal. Appreciate it.
[01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:52.400]  I'm glad it worked out for you. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm so glad we were helpful.
[01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:57.360]  That's why we're doing this. Another show, I'll get into more detail, but thank you very much.
[01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:03.280]  All right. Thank you, Hannibal. Okay. We're going now to Jerry in Texas.
[01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:08.640]  Jerry, thank you for calling in. What is your question or comment for our guest, Harman Taylor?
[01:06:08.640 --> 01:06:14.720]  I wanted to ask him if he was familiar with a fellow in Campo, Colorado by the name of
[01:06:14.720 --> 01:06:20.240]  Daryl Schroeder, because he sure sounds like him. I've not met Mr. Schroeder there.
[01:06:21.200 --> 01:06:26.400]  I look forward to meeting him. He talks about money? He's 83 years old. He sat on the Federal
[01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:34.160]  Reserve Board for seven years or some branch of the Federal Reserve Bank, and he is the instigator
[01:06:34.160 --> 01:06:39.680]  of the old American agriculture movement. He flew all over the United States back in the
[01:06:39.680 --> 01:06:47.680]  late 70s and early 80s, stopping foreclosures on farms. This is art. Man after my own heart.
[01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:53.360]  That's excellent. The way he did it now, I'm not advocating this, but I'm just telling you what he
[01:06:53.360 --> 01:07:01.280]  told me. He says the Federal Reserve System is a corporation. No corporation can do anything that
[01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:09.520]  you can't do if you're not in this state, of this state. He said if they can write numbers on a piece
[01:07:09.520 --> 01:07:16.800]  of paper and pay bills with them, so can you. That's exactly what he did. When he got to explain it
[01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:22.240]  to them banks, they took it every time. That would be great to talk with him about that.
[01:07:22.240 --> 01:07:30.160]  That's a very tricky way to go about that. He's correct. Their promise should be no more valuable
[01:07:30.160 --> 01:07:37.200]  than our promise. That's what he did. He doesn't pay any income tax. He's 83 years old and he's
[01:07:37.200 --> 01:07:43.520]  never been in prison. Matter of fact, he says that he's had a couple of IRS agents come and sit down
[01:07:43.520 --> 01:07:54.000]  and talk with him. When they left, they resigned their jobs. You need to meet this guy. His mind
[01:07:54.000 --> 01:08:02.480]  is still clear as a bell. He's tutored prosecutors and sheriffs and one governor that I know of in
[01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:11.360]  New Mexico about what the real law is. Like I said, he's very well known in certain circles.
[01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:18.160]  I just thought maybe you were familiar with him. I haven't met him yet. The things you're seeing
[01:08:19.120 --> 01:08:24.960]  sound just like him. I'm glad to hear the confirmation. He's obviously got a few decades
[01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:29.840]  in age on me. He's been there in a sense. It's that clear to him and he's had that kind of
[01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:38.480]  exposure. It's always nice to have a confirmation. He must be a really smart feller. He is. He really
[01:08:38.480 --> 01:08:43.040]  is. I mean, he'll blow your mind. Of course, mine's not that hard to blow, but I believe he
[01:08:43.040 --> 01:08:50.720]  could blow yours. All right. Well, thank you, Jerry. Okay. That's all I was going to tell you about.
[01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:55.840]  On that subject, Jerry, my father used to tell me that if my brains was made out of gunpowder,
[01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:02.640]  I wouldn't have enough to blow my nose. Well, I don't know about that. All right. Thank you,
[01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:09.680]  Jerry. I'd give you the benefit of one nostril for sure, Randy. Okay. We're going to go on now
[01:09:10.240 --> 01:09:17.440]  to Michael in Texas. Michael and our call board is really filling up, folks. So let's try to keep
[01:09:17.440 --> 01:09:21.280]  our comments and questions succinct and to the point for Harmon. What is your question or comment
[01:09:21.280 --> 01:09:30.160]  for Harmon, Michael? My question is, who started this? I mean, it's a pretty amazing system when
[01:09:30.160 --> 01:09:37.520]  you actually read up on it and go through it all, but who did this? Who got us started in the funny
[01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:46.400]  money stuff? Yes. I mean, how did it go from the funny money to transversing to the UCC code,
[01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:53.680]  transversing to the state in which you're doing business and set up as a scheme so you never know
[01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:59.680]  you're doing business in the so-called era you're supposedly doing business, and then they can change
[01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:05.200]  the laws at the end of all that business if you actually do get it right to make it more disturbing
[01:10:05.200 --> 01:10:12.320]  for you or harder for you to understand where you're at. Okay. The people I give frontline credit to
[01:10:12.320 --> 01:10:18.960]  for that are the lawyers who are advising or working with the leaders of the International
[01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:25.760]  Banking Cartel. You're right. It has to start somewhere. That's where I attribute it. And then,
[01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:35.440]  of course, they've got a group. They've got a cabal. They've got a group of people there all on
[01:10:35.440 --> 01:10:42.800]  the same page. And then word gets out from headquarters, this is what we want to do. And
[01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:47.280]  there are other lawyers around the nation, around the world that understand these same kinds of
[01:10:47.280 --> 01:10:52.880]  concepts. Some of them have been working with these people for longer than I've been alive.
[01:10:53.680 --> 01:11:02.080]  But the group that gets it started are the people with the motive and the interest to rule the world,
[01:11:02.080 --> 01:11:07.440]  and they're doing it. So that's where it comes from. And then it gets filtered down and marketed
[01:11:07.440 --> 01:11:13.600]  to the legislators and the executives in such a way that what we're talking about here is never
[01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:21.120]  brought up. So it's bought as a concept by those who don't understand the difference.
[01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:29.040]  And it goes on for several generations so it becomes an unquestioned habit. We're good
[01:11:29.040 --> 01:11:33.920]  Prussians. We do what we're told to do and don't ask questions. And you do that for enough
[01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:39.760]  generations and you're far enough into the habit that the questions just don't come up.
[01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:46.400]  Yeah, and I want to make a comment on this too. Michael, this scheme has been going on for
[01:11:46.400 --> 01:11:52.720]  generations upon generations, hundreds upon thousands of years. They're called the money
[01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:58.320]  changers. And there's a short book written called The Money Changers. I forgot who wrote it,
[01:11:58.320 --> 01:12:05.280]  but I read it a couple of years ago. And it basically outlines as a brief historical
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:14.400]  perspective on the so-called money changers since the beginning of recorded human history.
[01:12:14.400 --> 01:12:22.240]  And some of the earliest perps were the goldsmiths who would set themselves up as basically banks,
[01:12:22.240 --> 01:12:31.280]  so to speak, or safe deposit holdings for people who wanted to leave their gold and or silver
[01:12:32.080 --> 01:12:38.560]  with the goldsmith. And the goldsmiths would issue paper, receipts, notes, whatever you want
[01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:44.160]  to call them that could be redeemed so that folks wouldn't have to go around and carry the metal in
[01:12:44.160 --> 01:12:52.080]  their pocket. And then the goldsmiths started issuing an excess of their holdings, receipts.
[01:12:52.080 --> 01:12:56.720]  And this basically was the beginning of the fractional reserve system. This has been going
[01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:03.600]  on since the beginning of recorded human history. And even I like to point out what was the only time
[01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:12.480]  in the Bible that at least I've ever seen where our Lord Jesus actually got aggressive or violent
[01:13:12.480 --> 01:13:17.280]  was when he chased the money changers out of the temple with whips and said,
[01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:22.160]  you shall not make my father's house a den of thieves. And so this is something that's
[01:13:22.160 --> 01:13:26.880]  been going on since the beginning of recorded human history. And it's just been building
[01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:32.480]  generation upon generation upon generation. And the scheme, the Ponzi scheme runs so deep that
[01:13:33.040 --> 01:13:40.960]  we haven't even began to scrape the surface of the iceberg yet. And so basically we just,
[01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:46.320]  I feel that we just have to do whatever we can to remove ourselves from this state and this system.
[01:13:46.320 --> 01:13:51.920]  So it's a very deep question that goes back many generations. That's my take on it.
[01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:59.680]  One more question. Is it actually, is it actually possible that I was hearing this in the gentleman
[01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:08.160]  before, is this actually possible? And does anyone know anyone that's actually removed themselves from
[01:14:08.160 --> 01:14:15.520]  the system and lived a comfortable life? If that's possible, I'm all down for it. I see a bunch of
[01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:20.960]  people sitting within the system, living a comfortable life. The ones who know about it
[01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:25.440]  and the ones who do not, even the ones who know about it in wall street, they're living within the
[01:14:25.440 --> 01:14:30.400]  system and they know about the system and they're making a perfectly good life. Is there anyone
[01:14:30.400 --> 01:14:34.480]  living outside of the system? Anyone knows if I don't care if it's another call or anybody
[01:14:34.480 --> 01:14:42.240]  that's actually living a comfortable life? The people that I know that have successfully
[01:14:42.240 --> 01:14:52.720]  implemented what I call the political disconnect are, let's just say they're living a different
[01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:59.920]  lifestyle. I don't know if you'd call it comfortable. They're satisfied with it. The full and complete
[01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:05.920]  disconnect is best engaged right after one obtains financial independence.
[01:15:08.240 --> 01:15:18.560]  Until then, going about it gradually, one step at a time, is the mechanism by way we inch ourselves
[01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:28.240]  loose from the policies that intend to keep us in voluntary bondage. So the answer to your question
[01:15:28.240 --> 01:15:34.480]  from my personal experience is, I don't think I know anyone that's living high on the hog
[01:15:35.280 --> 01:15:41.360]  outside of this state. They're doing fine. They're comfortable. But they had successful
[01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:46.240]  business activities before they did the disconnect and had plenty to live on.
[01:15:47.120 --> 01:15:51.120]  And remember, Michael, resistance is victory, as Alex Jones likes to say.
[01:15:51.120 --> 01:16:01.120]  The Lord only holds us responsible for the information that we are given. And now that we
[01:16:01.120 --> 01:16:07.120]  have this information, we have to exercise to try to remove ourselves from the system. We're not
[01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:15.120]  expected to jump out of it immediately, but rather we have to remove ourselves from it in stages.
[01:16:15.120 --> 01:16:23.120]  That's my take on it. I remember my mother talking about the depression.
[01:16:27.120 --> 01:16:33.120]  What does that have to do with your birthday? They all lived without money. They were outside the
[01:16:33.120 --> 01:16:41.120]  system. Nobody had money. Well, if anybody got along and functioned and they didn't have any.
[01:16:41.120 --> 01:16:47.120]  So we can still do it. And with the times coming, we may get the opportunity.
[01:16:47.120 --> 01:16:51.120]  All right, Michael, do you have anything else for us? We're about to go to break.
[01:16:51.120 --> 01:16:53.120]  No, you guys are excellent people. Thank you.
[01:16:53.120 --> 01:16:57.120]  All right. Thank you, Michael. We'll be right back with more calls.
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[01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:54.120]  We're here with our very special guest and very good friend Mr. Harmon Taylor. We're taking
[01:19:54.120 --> 01:20:00.120]  your calls. We've only got a couple more callers left on the board. So folks, if you'd like to call
[01:20:00.120 --> 01:20:08.120]  in with a question for Harmon Taylor, 512-646-1984. We've got Mike from Texas on the line. Mike,
[01:20:08.120 --> 01:20:12.120]  thanks for calling in. What is your question or comment for Harmon Taylor?
[01:20:12.120 --> 01:20:14.120]  Can you hear me?
[01:20:14.120 --> 01:20:18.120]  Yes, you sound a little low. If you're on a speaker phone or a headset, please just use a regular
[01:20:18.120 --> 01:20:20.120]  handset. We're getting some echo on your line.
[01:20:20.120 --> 01:20:22.120]  Let me check and see.
[01:20:22.120 --> 01:20:24.120]  Okay, can you hear me now?
[01:20:24.120 --> 01:20:26.120]  Much better, thank you.
[01:20:26.120 --> 01:20:28.120]  Okay. Hey Harmon, this is Mike.
[01:20:28.120 --> 01:20:30.120]  How are you doing?
[01:20:30.120 --> 01:20:38.120]  I'm doing good. I just wanted to thank you for being on the show tonight and talking about
[01:20:38.120 --> 01:20:49.120]  real money. And as you know, you probably have kept yourself from announcing this, but in
[01:20:49.120 --> 01:20:58.120]  the Republic of Texas, we have our own money. We have silver one ounce medallions and copper
[01:20:58.120 --> 01:21:05.120]  one ounce medallions. And on the 16th of this month, we will have our one half ounce medallions.
[01:21:05.120 --> 01:21:12.120]  And then I'm working on the equivalent of the nickel and the dime medallions after that.
[01:21:12.120 --> 01:21:21.120]  So in the Republic of Texas, we do have real money. And in and amongst ourselves, we trade
[01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:28.120]  with those real silver medallions or tokens. We can't use the word dollar and that kind of
[01:21:28.120 --> 01:21:35.120]  thing. We know that. But the Republic of Texas is a nation, has always been acknowledged as
[01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:42.120]  a nation. And so technically, we can do anything we want, except that the feds will come in
[01:21:42.120 --> 01:21:51.120]  with tanks and guns and, you know, blow everything up if they have any sidebar reason to do so.
[01:21:51.120 --> 01:22:01.120]  So we do our trade with our silver and gold. And it's where everything needs to start with
[01:22:01.120 --> 01:22:12.120]  every nation. Every nation or every state in this nation started as a republic. And if those
[01:22:12.120 --> 01:22:20.120]  states would come back and become republics, then they could do what we're doing. And we have
[01:22:20.120 --> 01:22:27.120]  states calling us all the time asking us, what are you doing? Well, it's a little different
[01:22:27.120 --> 01:22:33.120]  because, for instance, with Rhode Island or whatever, Texas was never annexed into the
[01:22:33.120 --> 01:22:40.120]  nation because the United States corporate government can't annex a...
[01:22:40.120 --> 01:22:44.120]  Wait a minute. We're going to run out of time. We don't have time to do a whole dissertation
[01:22:44.120 --> 01:22:47.120]  on the Republic of Texas. That way, we can do a couple of shows though.
[01:22:47.120 --> 01:22:49.120]  Yeah, we could. You're right, Randy.
[01:22:49.120 --> 01:22:52.120]  Do you have a question for Harmon?
[01:22:52.120 --> 01:23:01.120]  Okay. Well, the question or the post for Harmon is to comment on the fact that people who
[01:23:01.120 --> 01:23:11.120]  are dealing in real gold and silver can do business together without the interference
[01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:14.120]  of the Fed, if you will.
[01:23:14.120 --> 01:23:20.120]  Yeah. Fundamentally, that's exactly where we're headed. And good for you for getting
[01:23:20.120 --> 01:23:26.120]  the job done that has to be done, and hopefully the activity you and your group are
[01:23:26.120 --> 01:23:34.120]  working on in this area of commerce become a light on the hill that cannot be hid.
[01:23:34.120 --> 01:23:41.120]  There are several of the recognized commercial entities called states functioning in this
[01:23:41.120 --> 01:23:46.120]  state that are kicking around the idea of honest weights and measures. I understand
[01:23:46.120 --> 01:23:53.120]  the most recent activity is out in the state of Utah. And they're talking about it.
[01:23:53.120 --> 01:24:02.120]  You're already doing it. So, sure, people that want to trade in that form and in that
[01:24:02.120 --> 01:24:08.120]  choice of law have full authority to do that.
[01:24:08.120 --> 01:24:16.120]  And Harmon, I mean, anybody, whether they're a commercial entity or not, has the choice
[01:24:16.120 --> 01:24:24.120]  to transact their business dealings bartering or trading with whatever means they so choose.
[01:24:24.120 --> 01:24:25.120]  Isn't that correct?
[01:24:25.120 --> 01:24:34.120]  Yeah. That's always been the case. And we get into some really sticky wickets where
[01:24:34.120 --> 01:24:41.120]  the effort is to try to do both at the same time. It's better just to do one or the other.
[01:24:41.120 --> 01:24:48.120]  In other words, entities or individuals in this state, for part of their obligations,
[01:24:48.120 --> 01:24:56.120]  are going to be very hard pressed to have transactions not count in this state.
[01:24:56.120 --> 01:25:04.120]  And so obviously the first context there is the income tax scenario. Can they trade in
[01:25:04.120 --> 01:25:10.120]  gold and avoid income tax? No. We see that in the Kerry case out in Nevada. And so there's
[01:25:10.120 --> 01:25:19.120]  limits on this. But where we're talking about buying groceries, where we're talking about
[01:25:19.120 --> 01:25:27.120]  green fees for a golf course. So the golf course changes where it is and charges gold
[01:25:27.120 --> 01:25:34.120]  and silver for green fees. OK. And nothing anyone else can do about that.
[01:25:34.120 --> 01:25:42.120]  So anyway, on the basic transactions, food, clothing, shelter, where the textile people
[01:25:42.120 --> 01:25:47.120]  deal with gold and silver to get the wool to make the clothes. And the customer shows
[01:25:47.120 --> 01:25:53.120]  up dealing with gold and silver and saying, I want to get this suit. Where's the tailor?
[01:25:53.120 --> 01:25:58.120]  And the tailor shows up. You pay the tailor in silver. You pay for the materials in silver.
[01:25:58.120 --> 01:26:06.120]  Now you've got a new suit. OK. That's how it was before 1965. It just wasn't that far
[01:26:06.120 --> 01:26:13.120]  ago. It just seems foreign to us now. And we've got to get back there. So what these
[01:26:13.120 --> 01:26:20.120]  people here in Texas are saying is, we are fully aware of the difference and we're putting
[01:26:20.120 --> 01:26:28.120]  our money where our mouth is. We're making coins that don't use the term dollar. And
[01:26:28.120 --> 01:26:35.120]  they don't use the term dollar. And there will be no marketplace rejection of those
[01:26:35.120 --> 01:26:42.120]  coins. And where the people using them understand the difference in choice of wool, then they're
[01:26:42.120 --> 01:26:49.120]  ahead of the game there. They're just leading the way here. So that's quite good. It has
[01:26:49.120 --> 01:26:50.120]  to happen.
[01:26:50.120 --> 01:26:57.120]  So Harmon, do you think that is that what Bernard Von Notthaus, maybe his inadvertent
[01:26:57.120 --> 01:27:03.120]  mistake was? Is that trying to play both sides of the coin, so to speak, no pun intended,
[01:27:03.120 --> 01:27:10.120]  of being in this state and out of this state at the same time with the same piece of transaction
[01:27:10.120 --> 01:27:12.120]  material?
[01:27:12.120 --> 01:27:19.120]  We can analyze it that way. I'm fully satisfied he doesn't know that there are two places.
[01:27:19.120 --> 01:27:24.120]  And there are not very many people who do. There are a few more people tonight who understand
[01:27:24.120 --> 01:27:30.120]  the concept. They can accept it or not right now. But they've heard the concept of two
[01:27:30.120 --> 01:27:37.120]  places out there. And so I'm fully satisfied in looking at what the Liberty Dollar Group
[01:27:37.120 --> 01:27:44.120]  did, was fully with the understanding that there's one place. And that was the problem.
[01:27:44.120 --> 01:27:49.120]  There's two and they were in, they should have stayed out and they went in with the
[01:27:49.120 --> 01:27:56.120]  term dollar. And so now they've got their nose clobbered. And it's a severe charge.
[01:27:56.120 --> 01:28:04.120]  So Harmon, according to your analysis, are there really just, and I'm speaking to this
[01:28:04.120 --> 01:28:10.120]  because of the caller bringing up the, quote unquote, Republic of Texas, according to your
[01:28:10.120 --> 01:28:14.120]  analysis, would you say it's fair to say that there are really only two places? You're
[01:28:14.120 --> 01:28:18.120]  either in, quote, this state or you're out of this state.
[01:28:18.120 --> 01:28:24.120]  Yeah, from the eyes of the current system, from the point of view of our dealing with
[01:28:24.120 --> 01:28:32.120]  this system, the two choices, the two choices, you're either in or you're out. That's how
[01:28:32.120 --> 01:28:39.120]  it is with this system. So the transactions at issue either adopt the law of this state
[01:28:39.120 --> 01:28:49.120]  as their choice of law or they don't. And we start from there with the understanding
[01:28:49.120 --> 01:28:54.120]  that we've got a choice. Now what else is there? There's some more to this. But the
[01:28:54.120 --> 01:29:02.120]  point tonight is to illustrate and apply, to talk about the Von Nothouse case, to understand
[01:29:02.120 --> 01:29:07.120]  what the problem is, and then to apply that in some other scenarios, get conversations
[01:29:07.120 --> 01:29:14.120]  started, that there is a choice out there. So yeah, from the point of view of the office
[01:29:14.120 --> 01:29:21.120]  holders, all of whom are in this state, pick a level of government, there's no office
[01:29:21.120 --> 01:29:28.120]  holder out there that exists outside of this state. How do we know? What is their remuneration?
[01:29:28.120 --> 01:29:32.120]  If they get comes, they don't even have to accept it. They can turn it back into the
[01:29:32.120 --> 01:29:37.120]  system. They all get paid funny money. So we're either in or you're out.
[01:29:37.120 --> 01:29:43.120]  Okay. All right. We're going to break now. We've got Vince from California up next. Jason
[01:29:43.120 --> 01:29:48.120]  from Texas was up next after Vince. Jason, just stopping off the line. Jason, if you're
[01:29:48.120 --> 01:29:54.120]  still listening, please call back in. We've got a half an hour left with Harmon Taylor,
[01:29:54.120 --> 01:29:58.120]  512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:31:49.120 --> 01:31:54.120]  more understanding with the rest of you. I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information
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[01:32:24.120 --> 01:32:34.120]  Thank you.
[01:32:54.120 --> 01:33:07.120]  Okay, folks, we are back. We've got a half an hour left. We have a very special guest
[01:33:07.120 --> 01:33:12.120]  and good friend, Harmon Taylor. Mr. Harmon Taylor, if you have a question or comment
[01:33:12.120 --> 01:33:19.120]  for Harmon, 512-646-1984. We are going now to Vince in California. Vince, thank you for
[01:33:19.120 --> 01:33:24.120]  calling in. What is your question or comment for Harmon? Hey, good evening, you guys. And
[01:33:24.120 --> 01:33:28.120]  first, real quick, I want to send out a shout to my Daily Paul friends. I posted on the
[01:33:28.120 --> 01:33:34.120]  Daily Paul and there was some response to it, probably some people listening. Harmon,
[01:33:34.120 --> 01:33:41.120]  have you read They Own It All, Including You by Ron McDonald? Say again, the title? The
[01:33:41.120 --> 01:33:46.120]  book called They Own It All, Including You. I have not read that one yet. Oh, wow. Well,
[01:33:46.120 --> 01:33:52.120]  that's a great book. And one of the things that he talks or they talk about, I forget
[01:33:52.120 --> 01:33:57.120]  the other, Robert Rowan was the other author. They talk about how Federal Reserve notes
[01:33:57.120 --> 01:34:02.120]  carry a hidden lien and everything they touch, it's like Randy's, when he talks about the
[01:34:02.120 --> 01:34:09.120]  tar baby syndrome. And so I think when you're talking about that case in Nevada where the
[01:34:09.120 --> 01:34:14.120]  guy was paying with gold, he was buying those coins from the U.S. Mint using Federal Reserve
[01:34:14.120 --> 01:34:19.120]  notes. Therefore, there was a hidden lien attached to them and therefore, they fell
[01:34:19.120 --> 01:34:24.120]  within, as you're saying, within the state. So that kind of leads me to the question of
[01:34:24.120 --> 01:34:31.120]  there's been a lot of talk going around lately about how if you pay with coin, coin is still
[01:34:31.120 --> 01:34:37.120]  issued by the Treasury, direct from the Treasury as opposed to the Fed. Where does that put
[01:34:37.120 --> 01:34:44.120]  you in your status when you're paying with just coin? The key answer to that would be
[01:34:44.120 --> 01:34:51.120]  whether the term dollar shows up or not. And there's some other things involved there.
[01:34:51.120 --> 01:34:56.120]  It depends on the coin, in other words. We're talking about Silver Eagles where it says
[01:34:56.120 --> 01:35:03.120]  dollar on it. Then we can start to say, well, maybe that's a transaction in this state.
[01:35:03.120 --> 01:35:12.120]  We've got a valuation problem. What is the value of that Silver Eagle? What is its mint
[01:35:12.120 --> 01:35:23.120]  quality? Is it 70? Is it 69? Is it something less than that? And what is the market reception
[01:35:23.120 --> 01:35:29.120]  in value according to some other standard on what the coin is? We can go at face value.
[01:35:29.120 --> 01:35:33.120]  That's how the banks would treat it. The marketplace would treat it with a considerably
[01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:39.120]  higher value. But of course, all that's measured in terms of Federal Reserve note units. But
[01:35:39.120 --> 01:35:44.120]  yeah, back on the book, it's presumed value. There's another caller ahead of you that brought
[01:35:44.120 --> 01:35:53.120]  it up. And I'll just tell you, I'm not in any hurry to read the book. I've read enough
[01:35:53.120 --> 01:35:59.120]  summaries about it to know that the premise taken into that study is just false. They
[01:35:59.120 --> 01:36:06.120]  don't own it all. They certainly don't own me. And the thought about what attaches with
[01:36:06.120 --> 01:36:12.120]  the money is one of these things that got started, I don't know where. But there's
[01:36:12.120 --> 01:36:19.120]  a group of people that have been trying to think through the solution, having understood
[01:36:19.120 --> 01:36:27.120]  falsely what the problem is. So in general, to solve a problem, we first got to identify
[01:36:27.120 --> 01:36:38.120]  it correctly. And the Feds control the ownership. I'll go with them that far. But they don't
[01:36:38.120 --> 01:36:44.120]  really own anything. If I could jump in, the premise of the book is not that the Feds own
[01:36:44.120 --> 01:36:50.120]  it all. It's that the Federal Reserve does. I should have been more specific about that.
[01:36:50.120 --> 01:36:58.120]  What we're talking about is the bank ownership. And they just don't. They control it. They've
[01:36:58.120 --> 01:37:07.120]  got a controlling interest in it. And I'll go with them that far. It's the kind of thing
[01:37:07.120 --> 01:37:11.120]  that would be very difficult, of course, in the time we've got left on the show tonight.
[01:37:11.120 --> 01:37:17.120]  It would be difficult in several shows to cover everything that explains why the premise
[01:37:17.120 --> 01:37:26.120]  of that book is wrong. So I'm not even going to begin to go there. But it is a misconception
[01:37:26.120 --> 01:37:31.120]  about what we're dealing with to associate ownership with the dollars. What the people
[01:37:31.120 --> 01:37:38.120]  are trying to understand is, for example, how the income tax thing keeps getting enforced
[01:37:38.120 --> 01:37:44.120]  when they throw the Constitution at it and nothing works. So the next level of thought
[01:37:44.120 --> 01:37:49.120]  is, OK, we've got this system, and therefore there's something that attaches with the dollar.
[01:37:49.120 --> 01:37:54.120]  There's a similar theory, the parallel theory, that says the income tax arises from the use
[01:37:54.120 --> 01:38:01.120]  of Federal Reserve. No, it just doesn't. It doesn't have anything to do with it. So anyway,
[01:38:01.120 --> 01:38:09.120]  they mean well. They're trying to apply a rational, logical, scientific, reproducible
[01:38:09.120 --> 01:38:15.120]  solution to the problem. And that part's good. They're talking about a commercial sort of
[01:38:15.120 --> 01:38:22.120]  analysis. That is even better. But it is a false premise to say that there's a lien that
[01:38:22.120 --> 01:38:27.120]  goes with it because it's traded with Federal Reserve notes. There are different mechanisms.
[01:38:27.120 --> 01:38:33.120]  There are different commercial mechanisms at play. And the thing to understand to get
[01:38:33.120 --> 01:38:38.120]  one's mind around those commercial mechanisms is we've got two choices of law, the two
[01:38:38.120 --> 01:38:44.120]  things going on here, not just one. And so where we understand the difference between
[01:38:44.120 --> 01:38:52.120]  how this state functions from what a republic, if we ever had one, would have looked like,
[01:38:52.120 --> 01:38:57.120]  then we start to get our mind around a problem. And once we understand what the problem is,
[01:38:57.120 --> 01:39:05.120]  then we start to understand the solution. So anyway, the question you raise is an excellent
[01:39:05.120 --> 01:39:12.120]  one. And what I spend a lot of my time doing day in, day out, is helping people work through
[01:39:12.120 --> 01:39:18.120]  the premise, helping them work through the presumptions they bring to the analysis. And
[01:39:18.120 --> 01:39:26.120]  where the presumption is off track, then the conclusion is limited by that presumption.
[01:39:26.120 --> 01:39:32.120]  And then we start to stack those things, and we really find we're headed off in the wrong
[01:39:32.120 --> 01:39:40.120]  direction, strapped to a rocket jet sled. And it creates some problems. So anyway, no,
[01:39:40.120 --> 01:39:48.120]  I haven't read that book. I'm not in any hurry to. And the thing there is I'm hoping that
[01:39:48.120 --> 01:39:54.120]  some of these ideas, it takes a while. It does. We come at the thing with a presumption
[01:39:54.120 --> 01:40:02.120]  about the system. And until we can debunk those presumptions, we're stuffed with their
[01:40:02.120 --> 01:40:07.120]  best effort. And it's their best effort. I don't want to think about it as anything else.
[01:40:07.120 --> 01:40:10.120]  It's just wrong.
[01:40:10.120 --> 01:40:14.120]  Well, the point you make about the difference between ownership and control is certainly
[01:40:14.120 --> 01:40:20.120]  well taken. Although I certainly wouldn't accuse these guys of beginning with a presumption
[01:40:20.120 --> 01:40:24.120]  and then trying to prove it. The book is very well documented and researched.
[01:40:24.120 --> 01:40:34.120]  I'm sure it is. We can find all kinds of documents to back up the premise that we make. And the
[01:40:34.120 --> 01:40:41.120]  general thing I find is it's everywhere. The general thing I find is the solution is presumed,
[01:40:41.120 --> 01:40:49.120]  and then the materials are included to say, yeah, this sounds close, so this has to be
[01:40:49.120 --> 01:40:55.120]  right. And in other words, it's a solution in search for proof. And there's a lot of
[01:40:55.120 --> 01:41:00.120]  scientists that do that. They say, this has to be how it is. And so they go read the data
[01:41:00.120 --> 01:41:06.120]  in such a way as to support their point. And no question in my mind it's well researched.
[01:41:06.120 --> 01:41:13.120]  Research that starts with a false premise is potentially very self-consistent. It's just
[01:41:13.120 --> 01:41:15.120]  not helpful.
[01:41:15.120 --> 01:41:25.120]  I think it's helpful to, if you have a hypothesis, to search for evidence that your hypothesis
[01:41:25.120 --> 01:41:33.120]  is not correct. Because it's better to get shot down in the law library than to get shot
[01:41:33.120 --> 01:41:40.120]  down in front of the judge. And I see this a lot in the so-called legal reform community
[01:41:40.120 --> 01:41:46.120]  and the patriot community. People formulate a hypothesis, and that's fine. We need to
[01:41:46.120 --> 01:41:53.120]  search for solutions. But according to the scientific method, we need to be able to debunk
[01:41:53.120 --> 01:41:58.120]  our own theories first without somebody else having to debunk our theories for us. And
[01:41:58.120 --> 01:42:04.120]  we should look for the flaws and the problems in our own theories and our own solutions.
[01:42:04.120 --> 01:42:11.120]  And if we can't find them and all we find is strengths, then we move ahead and put it
[01:42:11.120 --> 01:42:17.120]  forward. But if we have blinders on, so to speak, and we only look for evidence and data
[01:42:17.120 --> 01:42:24.120]  that support our position and not look for evidence or data that basically undermine
[01:42:24.120 --> 01:42:29.120]  our position, we're not doing ourselves any good. That's just my theory on the mouse.
[01:42:29.120 --> 01:42:36.120]  I'm an engineer, and I tell people a good engineer doesn't design anything. He struggles
[01:42:36.120 --> 01:42:43.120]  to get himself out of the way and let the project design itself. Because if he tries
[01:42:43.120 --> 01:42:53.120]  to design it, he will express his own preconceived notions and screw it up. So we have to struggle
[01:42:53.120 --> 01:42:59.120]  to find what is actually there rather than what we want to be there.
[01:42:59.120 --> 01:43:06.120]  And that's the tricky part here, because we are all taught. We are all raised with blinders.
[01:43:06.120 --> 01:43:11.120]  We are all taught, for example, to say, yeah, there's a Constitution. It created that national
[01:43:11.120 --> 01:43:17.120]  system, and therefore it limits that national system. And nothing further from the reality.
[01:43:17.120 --> 01:43:26.120]  It never happened. And that's just one example of the problem we have. We don't know to
[01:43:26.120 --> 01:43:33.120]  challenge those fundamental premises. We just accept them as the bedrock and then try to
[01:43:33.120 --> 01:43:40.120]  build on them. And that's where we end up going the other direction on the rocket sled.
[01:43:40.120 --> 01:43:44.120]  Okay, Vince, do you have anything else? We're going to break.
[01:43:44.120 --> 01:43:45.120]  Yeah, real quick on the other side.
[01:43:45.120 --> 01:43:49.120]  Okay, real quick on the other side. We do have Jason from Texas. So we'll finish up
[01:43:49.120 --> 01:43:54.120]  with Vince. We've got one more segment, folks, if you want to get into questions for Harmon
[01:43:54.120 --> 01:43:57.120]  Taylor, 512-646-1984.
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[01:46:21.120 --> 01:46:49.120]  Okay, folks, we're back.
[01:46:49.120 --> 01:46:57.120]  Final segment, final hour of our four-hour info marathon here with a very special friend,
[01:46:57.120 --> 01:47:02.120]  very special guest, Harmon Taylor. We were speaking with Vince in California. Okay, Vince,
[01:47:02.120 --> 01:47:05.120]  you said you had one more thing, and then we're going to go to Jason.
[01:47:05.120 --> 01:47:09.120]  Yeah, Harmon, if I understand you correctly, I think I know the answer to this, but if
[01:47:09.120 --> 01:47:16.120]  in that Nevada case, if he had paid with pre-1964 silver coin or pre-1933 gold coin, I think
[01:47:16.120 --> 01:47:20.120]  you would say the outcome would still be the same. And then the second part of that, what
[01:47:20.120 --> 01:47:24.120]  if he was paying with just silver bullion or gold bullion?
[01:47:24.120 --> 01:47:30.120]  You're absolutely right on the first one. The method of payment is irrelevant to the
[01:47:30.120 --> 01:47:36.120]  question of whether there's a taxpayer liability. The issue of taxpayer is the threshold question.
[01:47:36.120 --> 01:47:43.120]  If one is a taxpayer, then they've got certain obligations. And if one has the obligation
[01:47:43.120 --> 01:47:51.120]  and doesn't satisfy it, then they run into the meat grinder that Mr. Carey ran into.
[01:47:51.120 --> 01:47:59.120]  So it's a separate question. Is there a taxpayer? Is the threshold? And then the one after that
[01:47:59.120 --> 01:48:05.120]  is, is it being fulfilled? Okay, so now we go to the question of would it be different
[01:48:05.120 --> 01:48:10.120]  under bullion? And the answer is exactly the same. We have to ask the first question. Is
[01:48:10.120 --> 01:48:17.120]  the party or the company, is the individual or the company a taxpayer? And if so, then
[01:48:17.120 --> 01:48:26.120]  they literally have no defenses. And I say that on about, what, eight years now of watching
[01:48:26.120 --> 01:48:34.120]  the right argument get clobbered because the issue of taxpayer persisted in the litigation.
[01:48:34.120 --> 01:48:42.120]  There was an obligation. And for that reason, the case didn't, the case says, didn't go
[01:48:42.120 --> 01:48:48.120]  exactly the way they were originally thought to. They should have gone. So the lesson from
[01:48:48.120 --> 01:48:54.120]  that is there are no defenses. If you're a taxpayer and the amount of, the form of money
[01:48:54.120 --> 01:49:03.120]  doesn't matter. The amount doesn't matter. Because why? Because everything is included
[01:49:03.120 --> 01:49:08.120]  in the, all worldwide assets are included in that obligation.
[01:49:08.120 --> 01:49:15.120]  And Harmon, is that because of the fundamental premise that the person upon becoming a taxpayer
[01:49:15.120 --> 01:49:19.120]  agreed to the choice of law?
[01:49:19.120 --> 01:49:20.120]  Yep.
[01:49:20.120 --> 01:49:21.120]  Okay.
[01:49:21.120 --> 01:49:22.120]  That's exactly right.
[01:49:22.120 --> 01:49:30.120]  So once you agree to the choice of law, you can't go back and fight it and say it's unfair
[01:49:30.120 --> 01:49:39.120]  or unconstitutional or even that it's statutorily beyond the scope of statute.
[01:49:39.120 --> 01:49:42.120]  That's exactly right. To agree is to agree.
[01:49:42.120 --> 01:49:45.120]  To agree is to agree. Everything is commercial.
[01:49:45.120 --> 01:49:47.120]  Yep.
[01:49:47.120 --> 01:49:50.120]  And that's because we're in the funny money system.
[01:49:50.120 --> 01:49:56.120]  Yep. It would work that way. See, income tax existed before they screwed over the money
[01:49:56.120 --> 01:50:03.120]  system. Property tax existed before they changed the money system. So those obligations simply
[01:50:03.120 --> 01:50:08.120]  changed in their evaluation standard, not in their mechanism.
[01:50:08.120 --> 01:50:14.120]  We went from a common law evaluation standard to a maritime law evaluation standard.
[01:50:14.120 --> 01:50:19.120]  The obligation's the same. It's just if they had been understood before the money changed,
[01:50:19.120 --> 01:50:26.120]  then they wouldn't have been quite so vicious as they are in this state.
[01:50:26.120 --> 01:50:36.120]  So Harmon, is it fair to say that if one wished to make a statutory or otherwise legal or
[01:50:36.120 --> 01:50:44.120]  lawful challenge to a statute or regulation, that the only way that could successfully
[01:50:44.120 --> 01:50:51.120]  be done is if there were no gotcha agreements, in other words, to make sure that you hadn't
[01:50:51.120 --> 01:50:56.120]  agreed to the choice of law in some manner?
[01:50:56.120 --> 01:51:01.120]  That's the best way to fill in the question a little bit. If they're throwing a statute,
[01:51:01.120 --> 01:51:09.120]  then we've got to ask where the nexus is. And if there is one, then they may have a
[01:51:09.120 --> 01:51:16.120]  good position. If there isn't one, then they don't have a position.
[01:51:16.120 --> 01:51:24.120]  So fundamentally, whether we can talk about the statute or not depends on how the parties
[01:51:24.120 --> 01:51:29.120]  are related to begin with. In other words, if a statute's agreed to, that doesn't make
[01:51:29.120 --> 01:51:32.120]  the statute valid. It just makes it all the more difficult to challenge. Why? Because
[01:51:32.120 --> 01:51:40.120]  it's the term of a deal, not something abstract and outside of a commercial context.
[01:51:40.120 --> 01:51:45.120]  Okay. All right. We have about six minutes left. We've got one more caller, Jason in
[01:51:45.120 --> 01:51:50.120]  Texas. Jason, what is your question or comment for Harmon Taylor?
[01:51:50.120 --> 01:51:57.120]  Well, unfortunately, I'm the last caller. A couple callers before he had asked if anybody
[01:51:57.120 --> 01:52:07.120]  is living outside the state and living a comfortable life. And I would be one of them.
[01:52:07.120 --> 01:52:16.120]  Mid-30s now, and one avenue that you haven't talked about, because you basically can straddle
[01:52:16.120 --> 01:52:28.120]  both spheres. But the one avenue you haven't spoken about is dissolving your strawman and
[01:52:28.120 --> 01:52:38.120]  reclaiming your life certificate of birth. So you're essentially two entities in the
[01:52:38.120 --> 01:52:44.120]  eyes of the law, assuming you take the steps necessary. And I can go through those if you'd
[01:52:44.120 --> 01:52:52.120]  like for me to, in order to reclaim your certificate of life birth, as opposed to your receipt
[01:52:52.120 --> 01:52:55.120]  of birth, which is your birth certificate.
[01:52:55.120 --> 01:52:58.120]  I think Harmon's familiar with that. Harmon, you want to comment?
[01:52:58.120 --> 01:53:05.120]  The concept of strawman is very popular. And I'm satisfied that when you say, I'm out,
[01:53:05.120 --> 01:53:12.120]  that you're out. There's no question that you would know the answer to that. The concept
[01:53:12.120 --> 01:53:18.120]  that I've got to address is the concept of strawman being a separate legal entity. And
[01:53:18.120 --> 01:53:24.120]  of course, it isn't. There are differences there. There are differences there. The thing
[01:53:24.120 --> 01:53:30.120]  that you talked about is something I talk about in the terms of capacity. And the thing
[01:53:30.120 --> 01:53:36.120]  with the all caps name, which is what most talk about as being a strawman entity, is
[01:53:36.120 --> 01:53:44.120]  the capacity by which the system in this state recognizes us. It's the membership card. It's
[01:53:44.120 --> 01:53:50.120]  the ID that gets us in the door into this state. And the difference is, if we're going
[01:53:50.120 --> 01:53:56.120]  to be in this state, we've got to waive our objection to the funny money scam. We've got
[01:53:56.120 --> 01:54:03.120]  to waive the objection to it. And so that's what the thing that's called the strawman
[01:54:03.120 --> 01:54:09.120]  entity does. And it's not a separate legal entity. It doesn't mean that what you've
[01:54:09.120 --> 01:54:15.120]  done didn't accomplish the result. The thing I'm doing here is making sure that we talk
[01:54:15.120 --> 01:54:22.120]  about it on terms that are self-consistent with the two different systems. So yeah, I'd
[01:54:22.120 --> 01:54:30.120]  be interested to know what sort of things you're looking at and steps you took to accomplish
[01:54:30.120 --> 01:54:35.120]  the position you have right now. What you're describing, I think I would call the political
[01:54:35.120 --> 01:54:43.120]  disconnect. And that fully legitimate way to terminate the connection with this state,
[01:54:43.120 --> 01:54:49.120]  perfectly legitimate. So yeah, appreciate the call. And maybe we'll have to pick this
[01:54:49.120 --> 01:54:56.120]  up on email outside of the show. But glad you hung in and called when you did. This
[01:54:56.120 --> 01:55:02.120]  is the kind of information that one caller was wanting to confirm. Is there anyone out
[01:55:02.120 --> 01:55:05.120]  there? So you're saying here one of them.
[01:55:05.120 --> 01:55:10.120]  Harman, I wanted to ask you concerning this issue of capacity, like just say for example,
[01:55:10.120 --> 01:55:19.120]  a public servant. You've got a human being he can exercise or she could exercise his
[01:55:19.120 --> 01:55:28.120]  or her rights, whatever duties, authorities as a sovereign, as an individual. But say
[01:55:28.120 --> 01:55:34.120]  for example, they're also employed as a public servant, then they're exercising their capacity
[01:55:34.120 --> 01:55:42.120]  as a public servant. Those are two separate capacities, but are they by law two separate
[01:55:42.120 --> 01:55:43.120]  entities?
[01:55:43.120 --> 01:55:49.120]  Yeah, that's an excellent question. And of course they're not. They're just operating
[01:55:49.120 --> 01:55:58.120]  under two different hats. And that's all the strawman thing. They call it strawman. I try
[01:55:58.120 --> 01:56:03.120]  to stay away from that. But that's the label that registers with a lot of people. It's
[01:56:03.120 --> 01:56:04.120]  just a different hat.
[01:56:04.120 --> 01:56:09.120]  Yeah, it's like a magistrate and a judge. Same individual, different set of powers and
[01:56:09.120 --> 01:56:10.120]  duties and responsibilities.
[01:56:10.120 --> 01:56:11.120]  Different hats, exactly.
[01:56:11.120 --> 01:56:14.120]  So it's not two separate entities.
[01:56:14.120 --> 01:56:19.120]  It's not two separate legal distinct entities. That's correct. It's one entity under two
[01:56:19.120 --> 01:56:20.120]  different hats.
[01:56:20.120 --> 01:56:23.120]  And then the hat is the capacity.
[01:56:23.120 --> 01:56:30.120]  Correct. The capacity really related to relationship. So we relate differently to a judge than we
[01:56:30.120 --> 01:56:42.120]  do to a fellow citizen or a buyer, seller, lessor, lessee, beneficiary, trustee, that
[01:56:42.120 --> 01:56:46.120]  sort of thing. Different capacities. It's the relationship.
[01:56:46.120 --> 01:56:48.120]  Okay, excellent.
[01:56:48.120 --> 01:56:54.120]  All we're doing is trying to get the right labels on what Jerry's talking about here.
[01:56:54.120 --> 01:57:00.120]  And there's no question that if he's experiencing it, then he knows that the system is treating
[01:57:00.120 --> 01:57:05.120]  him differently. There's no question that he's accomplished the result. And it's very
[01:57:05.120 --> 01:57:12.120]  good to know that you feel that you're living comfortably doing that. That's a very encouraging
[01:57:12.120 --> 01:57:16.120]  word to those who are saying, okay, we see the difference. We'd like to get across that
[01:57:16.120 --> 01:57:23.120]  bridge. What's life like? And he's saying the water's fine. Life over here is good.
[01:57:23.120 --> 01:57:24.120]  Okay.
[01:57:24.120 --> 01:57:25.120]  That's very, very good to know.
[01:57:25.120 --> 01:57:31.120]  We've got one more caller. We've got about a minute left. Dennis in Michigan, what is
[01:57:31.120 --> 01:57:38.120]  your question or comment for Harmon Taylor? Quickly.
[01:57:38.120 --> 01:57:42.120]  Okay. I guess Dennis is not there. All right, Harmon, we are at the end of the show. Do
[01:57:42.120 --> 01:57:46.120]  you have any closing comments for us and our listeners?
[01:57:46.120 --> 01:57:53.120]  Well, the concept that we're talking about, starting with the Von Nothouse case, Liberty
[01:57:53.120 --> 01:57:59.120]  Dollar, tells us that dollar is a specific term. It's not a generic concept. It's a
[01:57:59.120 --> 01:58:05.120]  specific term. It's got a specific choice of law to which it applies. Dollars exist
[01:58:05.120 --> 01:58:13.120]  in this state. And for us to implement the concept that they're trying to do with Liberty
[01:58:13.120 --> 01:58:21.120]  Dollar, silver, gold, et cetera is excellent. Let's avoid the term dollar in advance because
[01:58:21.120 --> 01:58:25.120]  the feds are running like mad. Take them on this way, they're running.
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[01:59:20.120 --> 01:59:44.120]  Thank you.
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