[00:00.000 --> 00:09.840]  US Special Forces have begun venturing out with Pakistani troops on Pakistani territory
[00:09.840 --> 00:13.080]  that up to now has been off limits to US ground troops.
[00:13.080 --> 00:19.120]  The expansion of US cooperation is significant given Pakistan's deep aversion to foreign
[00:19.120 --> 00:22.680]  military forces on its soil.
[00:22.680 --> 00:27.540]  Deputy UK Prime Minister Nick Clegg was forced to backtrack after pronouncing the invasion
[00:27.540 --> 00:30.480]  of Iraq illegal in the House of Commons.
[00:30.480 --> 00:35.440]  Clegg insisted he was speaking in a personal capacity after a leading international lawyer
[00:35.440 --> 00:39.960]  warned a statement by a government minister in such a formal setting could increase the
[00:39.960 --> 00:45.560]  chances of charges against Britain in international courts.
[00:45.560 --> 00:50.200]  The Obama administration announced Wednesday a new round of sanctions against North Korea
[00:50.200 --> 00:53.560]  to punish its illicit and provocative policies.
[00:53.560 --> 00:59.680]  Analysts say the bans are nothing new and for the benefit of South Korea.
[00:59.680 --> 01:04.720]  The International Court of Justice said Thursday Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence
[01:04.720 --> 01:10.040]  from Serbia in February 2008 did not violate international law.
[01:10.040 --> 01:14.920]  The groundbreaking ruling could have far-reaching implications for separatist movements around
[01:14.920 --> 01:19.080]  the world as well as for Belgrade's stalled EU membership talks.
[01:19.080 --> 01:23.800]  The long-awaited ruling which the court took up after a complaint to the UN from Serbia
[01:23.800 --> 01:30.040]  is now likely to lead to more countries recognising Kosovo and move Pristina closer to entry
[01:30.040 --> 01:31.400]  into the UN.
[01:31.400 --> 01:37.280]  The court's president, Hisashi Awada, said international law contains quote no prohibition
[01:37.280 --> 01:40.160]  on declarations of independence.
[01:40.160 --> 01:45.480]  Serbia has continued to demand Kosovo be returned, arguing it has been the cradle of their civilisation
[01:45.480 --> 01:51.520]  and national identity since 1389 when the Christian army led by Serbian Prince Lazare
[01:51.520 --> 01:55.480]  lost an epic battle to invading Ottoman forces.
[01:55.480 --> 02:00.320]  The ruling is expected to bolster demands for independence by half a dozen other territories
[02:00.320 --> 02:03.560]  around the world.
[02:03.560 --> 02:07.880]  The nominee for director of national intelligence has warned North Korea's thinking of a South
[02:07.880 --> 02:09.360]  Korean warship.
[02:09.360 --> 02:15.680]  May Harold quote a dangerous new period, James Clapper told a Senate hearing Tuesday Pyongyang
[02:15.680 --> 02:21.080]  might seek to advance its internal and external political goals through direct attacks.
[02:21.080 --> 02:26.560]  Earlier, the US and South Korea said they would hold large-scale joint military exercises
[02:26.560 --> 02:32.600]  next weekend in a show of force intended to send a clear message to North Korea that its
[02:32.600 --> 02:34.960]  aggressive behaviour must stop.
[02:34.960 --> 02:39.800]  Testifying to the Senate's intelligence committee, Clapper brushed aside suggestions he would
[02:39.800 --> 02:45.000]  be beholden to the Pentagon and reluctant to share information about intelligence activities
[02:45.000 --> 02:50.040]  with Congress, saying he had been out of uniform for 15 years.
[02:50.040 --> 02:54.800]  The DNI was created by Congress in 2004 in response to 9-11.
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[03:33.980 --> 03:38.980]  Tell me, what you gonna do? What you gonna do?
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[06:09.980 --> 06:32.980]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[06:39.980 --> 07:08.980]  Okay, let me try to explain the best I can.
[07:08.980 --> 07:15.980]  I was doing what you call it pure trust and whatever you wanna call those trusts.
[07:15.980 --> 07:18.980]  The problem I was having was opening bank accounts.
[07:18.980 --> 07:23.980]  I had to end up going in and saying, oh no, I'm not a pure trust.
[07:23.980 --> 07:31.980]  I'm a living trust and open the bank account and have to do things different altogether.
[07:31.980 --> 07:37.980]  Then I was introduced to unincorporated associations and I've had them for many, many years.
[07:37.980 --> 07:41.980]  I have never earned any income in my own name, period.
[07:41.980 --> 07:46.980]  What I do is everything that I get goes into an unincorporated association.
[07:46.980 --> 07:52.980]  Now, when I set up an association for somebody, I set it up with two separate associations.
[07:52.980 --> 07:58.980]  One is an unincorporated association, one is an unincorporated nonprofit association.
[07:58.980 --> 08:04.980]  As a result, I have about, I don't know, 17 of these unincorporated associations set up.
[08:04.980 --> 08:15.980]  Anytime I get something new for an asset, it's like a new automobile, a new, I bought some stocks, bonds, whatever,
[08:15.980 --> 08:23.980]  I set them up in the unincorporated nonprofit association and they all go in there as a donation to the nonprofit.
[08:23.980 --> 08:25.980]  So they're not in my name.
[08:25.980 --> 08:32.980]  The unincorporated association, I go down and open up the bank account with the unincorporated association.
[08:32.980 --> 08:35.980]  Now, the way I do it, they both have the very same name.
[08:35.980 --> 08:40.980]  So I have no problem with doing that at all.
[08:40.980 --> 08:42.980]  I've been doing it for many, many years.
[08:42.980 --> 08:48.980]  Now, what I do is when I set up the association and I get a tax ID number for that association,
[08:48.980 --> 08:56.980]  I have a person who has agreed to be the secretary for that association for a very limited period of time.
[08:56.980 --> 09:03.980]  The limited period of time means that he gives me authorization to use his Social Security number
[09:03.980 --> 09:06.980]  to get the tax ID number for that association.
[09:06.980 --> 09:15.980]  After I get that tax ID number, he is fired and a new secretary is hired for the association.
[09:15.980 --> 09:23.980]  So there is absolutely no association of his tax ID number for the unincorporated association.
[09:23.980 --> 09:28.980]  Now, by doing that, when I go down to open up the bank account,
[09:28.980 --> 09:33.980]  the bank account states that the association is an entity unto itself.
[09:33.980 --> 09:35.980]  It's like a whole new person.
[09:35.980 --> 09:42.980]  I am simply managing that association on the direction of being appointed as the treasurer,
[09:42.980 --> 09:46.980]  and I'm the only one who can go in there and open a bank.
[09:46.980 --> 09:51.980]  Well, I should say I can also appoint any other people who want to be.
[09:51.980 --> 09:54.980]  In other words, Randy, let me give you an example.
[09:54.980 --> 10:02.980]  If this association was set up for you to manage, it is not your association.
[10:02.980 --> 10:04.980]  The association belongs to itself.
[10:04.980 --> 10:08.980]  We have a few people who gather together, and as the board of directors,
[10:08.980 --> 10:15.980]  we appoint a president, a treasurer, a trustee, a vice president, and as many people as we want to.
[10:15.980 --> 10:19.980]  Usually I just have a president, a treasurer, and a secretary.
[10:19.980 --> 10:23.980]  And then we can have as many members as we want to as well.
[10:23.980 --> 10:30.980]  Now, the appointed duties are the president, of course, is just a president, a figurehead.
[10:30.980 --> 10:36.980]  He can open accounts, but he's not allowed to manage them.
[10:36.980 --> 10:38.980]  The treasurer is the only one who can manage them.
[10:38.980 --> 10:45.980]  The treasurer can then appoint the secretary as well if they need to have two signatures on it for protection.
[10:45.980 --> 10:52.980]  So the only people who are allowed to sign on the check is on the banking minutes.
[10:52.980 --> 10:56.980]  It states these people are the only ones who can sign on the check.
[10:56.980 --> 10:58.980]  They have no involvement with the association.
[10:58.980 --> 11:03.980]  They are operating on the directions of the association
[11:03.980 --> 11:09.980]  and have absolutely no authority to do anything with that association.
[11:09.980 --> 11:20.980]  I have had several instances where people have had a variety of, let's just say, checks on their personal assets.
[11:20.980 --> 11:25.980]  And every time it has come up that because they are the signer on that association,
[11:25.980 --> 11:28.980]  they will come up saying that they are the signer on this association.
[11:28.980 --> 11:31.980]  But everybody has left the association alone.
[11:31.980 --> 11:37.980]  That is from the IRS down to collection agencies and attorneys.
[11:37.980 --> 11:41.980]  They have all left the association alone because they can't touch it.
[11:41.980 --> 11:45.980]  I am simply the appointed trustee.
[11:45.980 --> 11:50.980]  It's akin to let's say I have a jack-in-the-box and I say,
[11:50.980 --> 11:54.980]  Randy, I am in Monterey and you're down in San Diego.
[11:54.980 --> 11:57.980]  Would you run my jack-in-the-box for me?
[11:57.980 --> 11:58.980]  Here's the bank account.
[11:58.980 --> 11:59.980]  Here's the checkbook.
[11:59.980 --> 12:03.980]  I want you to do anything and everything, but you don't own that jack-in-the-box.
[12:03.980 --> 12:08.980]  You can use the bank account to put gas.
[12:08.980 --> 12:09.980]  You can buy cars.
[12:09.980 --> 12:10.980]  You can buy real estate.
[12:10.980 --> 12:17.980]  You can do whatever you want to do with that association, but you have no ownership in that association.
[12:17.980 --> 12:19.980]  The association owns itself.
[12:19.980 --> 12:24.980]  You can do it on the direction of the association and we can meet.
[12:24.980 --> 12:29.980]  If we need to, three or four people, we meet and we decide what we're going to do.
[12:29.980 --> 12:32.980]  If it's only one or two people, we can still do that.
[12:32.980 --> 12:35.980]  We can get together and we can say, hey, I want to buy a new car.
[12:35.980 --> 12:42.980]  Now, when I buy a new car, just last month I had a new automobile going to a new association.
[12:42.980 --> 12:50.980]  Well, that association has a bank account and I deposit money into the unincorporated association,
[12:50.980 --> 12:54.980]  although the car is in the unincorporated nonprofit association.
[12:54.980 --> 12:58.980]  I donated it there, so there's no charge for me to donate it.
[12:58.980 --> 13:03.980]  It cost me 15 bucks to switch it from my name to the unincorporated association.
[13:03.980 --> 13:10.980]  Now, I have no responsibility for it other than to look after it on behalf of the association.
[13:10.980 --> 13:17.980]  So my debit card, I use it as a credit card to make all the purchases for that association.
[13:17.980 --> 13:21.980]  Now, why do I use it as a credit card?
[13:21.980 --> 13:30.980]  In Chase Bank and Bank of America says that if you use it one time as a credit card,
[13:30.980 --> 13:33.980]  then you don't have a monthly fee.
[13:33.980 --> 13:37.980]  Chase says I need to use it five times as a credit card and then I don't have a monthly fee.
[13:37.980 --> 13:43.980]  So I use my card as a credit card and I make sure that I've used it at least five times as a credit card.
[13:43.980 --> 13:46.980]  After that, I can go back to using it as a debit card if I wanted to.
[13:46.980 --> 13:49.980]  But it belongs to the association.
[13:49.980 --> 13:51.980]  It does not belong to me.
[13:51.980 --> 13:59.980]  I am the one who's responsible for overseeing it because I've been appointed the treasurer and that's all.
[13:59.980 --> 14:06.980]  Any questions about it?
[14:06.980 --> 14:07.980]  I don't know.
[14:07.980 --> 14:08.980]  I'm confused.
[14:08.980 --> 14:10.980]  It's a lot of pieces.
[14:10.980 --> 14:21.980]  How does this particular arrangement protect us from the IRS in a way that the trust didn't?
[14:21.980 --> 14:30.980]  The trust were declared to be nominees of the lender or alter egos of the lender
[14:30.980 --> 14:33.980]  and they broke right through them like they weren't even there.
[14:33.980 --> 14:36.980]  How is this one different?
[14:36.980 --> 14:37.980]  Well, here's the thing.
[14:37.980 --> 14:43.980]  The association is set up and I'm setting them up in the laws of California
[14:43.980 --> 14:47.980]  and I have exactly the situation you're talking to.
[14:47.980 --> 14:48.980]  I have a young lady.
[14:48.980 --> 14:49.980]  I don't know.
[14:49.980 --> 14:54.980]  She was being assessed by the IRS.
[14:54.980 --> 14:56.980]  All her accounts were pulled up.
[14:56.980 --> 15:01.980]  Her trust was confiscated because the IRS told her you are the trustee.
[15:01.980 --> 15:02.980]  This trust is yours.
[15:02.980 --> 15:04.980]  We're taking it.
[15:04.980 --> 15:05.980]  So the trust went.
[15:05.980 --> 15:12.980]  But the association was left completely untouched because the association has its own tax ID number
[15:12.980 --> 15:14.980]  and its own entity.
[15:14.980 --> 15:15.980]  It is not you.
[15:15.980 --> 15:22.980]  You are simply appointed to write checks or to buy or sell or do whatever it is that you need to do.
[15:22.980 --> 15:26.980]  You're only appointed and you're doing it on the direction of the association.
[15:26.980 --> 15:28.980]  You're not doing it for your benefit.
[15:28.980 --> 15:32.980]  You're doing it for the benefit of the association.
[15:32.980 --> 15:33.980]  That make sense?
[15:33.980 --> 15:38.980]  Okay, how difficult is it to get one of these trusts put together?
[15:38.980 --> 15:40.980]  The association, you mean?
[15:40.980 --> 15:42.980]  Yes, the association.
[15:42.980 --> 15:43.980]  I'm sorry.
[15:43.980 --> 15:44.980]  Right.
[15:44.980 --> 15:48.980]  Well, under normal circumstances, let me tell you this.
[15:48.980 --> 15:49.980]  Okay?
[15:49.980 --> 15:54.980]  If you went to the Secretary of State and their website and tried to look up an association,
[15:54.980 --> 15:55.980]  you'll never find it.
[15:55.980 --> 15:56.980]  Okay?
[15:56.980 --> 16:01.980]  You have to walk in there and take in the very exact name.
[16:01.980 --> 16:03.980]  And I have some crazy names.
[16:03.980 --> 16:10.980]  For instance, I have something like IBM 01, but I've got different letters like that.
[16:10.980 --> 16:13.980]  TLC 01, AHM 101.
[16:13.980 --> 16:15.980]  Those are the names I use.
[16:15.980 --> 16:16.980]  Okay?
[16:16.980 --> 16:21.980]  Because there's nothing to tie me to that association because I don't want that.
[16:21.980 --> 16:23.980]  The association is an entity unto itself.
[16:23.980 --> 16:24.980]  Okay?
[16:24.980 --> 16:32.980]  Now, if I go down and I send it in, the paperwork to the state, it's going to take about 10
[16:32.980 --> 16:39.980]  to 12 weeks before I get an association back from the association.
[16:39.980 --> 16:41.980]  Okay, just hold that thought there, Dennis.
[16:41.980 --> 16:44.980]  10 to 12 weeks for it to be set up?
[16:44.980 --> 16:46.980]  Yes, but I've got a way to speed it up.
[16:46.980 --> 16:48.980]  Okay, good, good.
[16:48.980 --> 16:50.980]  That sounds encouraging.
[16:50.980 --> 16:53.980]  Folks, we'll be back on the other side with our special guest, Dennis Gray.
[16:53.980 --> 17:00.980]  We're talking about unincorporated associations.
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[19:32.980 --> 19:36.980]  Okay, folks, we are back with our special guest, Dennis Gray.
[19:36.980 --> 19:39.980]  The questions are already being written down fast and furious
[19:39.980 --> 19:42.980]  by Eddie, Randy, and myself here.
[19:42.980 --> 19:48.980]  Dennis, you are about to discuss how you can speed up this process.
[19:48.980 --> 19:54.980]  By speeding up the process, I have to send it overnight to a company in Sacramento
[19:54.980 --> 20:00.980]  that walks it in, and they go back and pick it up in about three or four days
[20:00.980 --> 20:04.980]  and overnight it back to me, and that usually gets it to me,
[20:04.980 --> 20:07.980]  and I tell people that I can have it to them within two weeks.
[20:07.980 --> 20:11.980]  Usually it happens within five to seven days, but that's working days.
[20:11.980 --> 20:15.980]  So I tell them they can have it back within two weeks
[20:15.980 --> 20:19.980]  so that they can open a bank account and get it going.
[20:19.980 --> 20:23.980]  I don't even have to do anything over here at Chase.
[20:23.980 --> 20:30.980]  I have a personal banker that all I do is send in one of my clients with an association,
[20:30.980 --> 20:32.980]  and she knows exactly what needs to be done.
[20:32.980 --> 20:35.980]  She opens them up one after another.
[20:35.980 --> 20:37.980]  Okay, Dennis, I have a question.
[20:37.980 --> 20:40.980]  Speaking of banking and bank accounts,
[20:40.980 --> 20:46.980]  I was under the impression that you can get a tax ID number for a peer trust.
[20:46.980 --> 20:53.980]  So I'm just trying to understand the difference here or the advantages.
[20:53.980 --> 20:55.980]  Deborah, you can get a tax ID number,
[20:55.980 --> 21:01.980]  but the banks don't want to open the bank account for a peer trust.
[21:01.980 --> 21:02.980]  Okay.
[21:02.980 --> 21:04.980]  That's the problem I have.
[21:04.980 --> 21:07.980]  What's their concern about a peer trust?
[21:07.980 --> 21:11.980]  Because it's protecting you.
[21:11.980 --> 21:13.980]  Okay, and that's the thing.
[21:13.980 --> 21:15.980]  They don't want that.
[21:15.980 --> 21:18.980]  I've always had that problem whenever I walked in and said,
[21:18.980 --> 21:20.980]  you just walk into any bank and say,
[21:20.980 --> 21:22.980]  can I open a bank account for a trust?
[21:22.980 --> 21:23.980]  And they'll tell you no.
[21:23.980 --> 21:25.980]  You walk in and say, can I do it for an association?
[21:25.980 --> 21:30.980]  Yeah, because remember, associations are like Costco, like Sam's Club,
[21:30.980 --> 21:34.980]  like the AFL-CIO.
[21:34.980 --> 21:37.980]  Those are associations.
[21:37.980 --> 21:41.980]  And so we can have associations like crazy.
[21:41.980 --> 21:46.980]  So how is the incorporated and unincorporated different?
[21:46.980 --> 21:49.980]  Well, the incorporation,
[21:49.980 --> 21:54.980]  does anybody know what it runs in California to have a corporation every year?
[21:54.980 --> 22:00.980]  Just to stay open, just to be registered there, you need a minimum of 800 bucks.
[22:00.980 --> 22:09.980]  My unincorporated association costs you 25 bucks once every five years.
[22:09.980 --> 22:11.980]  Which would you prefer?
[22:11.980 --> 22:12.980]  Okay.
[22:12.980 --> 22:19.980]  Well, you were saying that the banks don't want to accept the creation of an account for a trust
[22:19.980 --> 22:25.980]  because the purpose of the trust is to protect the assets and the account.
[22:25.980 --> 22:26.980]  Correct.
[22:26.980 --> 22:30.980]  So by that point of view,
[22:30.980 --> 22:34.980]  it would seem to me like the fact that you're doing it under association is accepted
[22:34.980 --> 22:39.980]  because it doesn't offer that protection that they don't want you to have.
[22:39.980 --> 22:42.980]  How are you establishing that it's protected?
[22:42.980 --> 22:45.980]  Yeah, the thing is that because it is not you,
[22:45.980 --> 22:50.980]  it is not under your personal tax ID number or social security number,
[22:50.980 --> 22:52.980]  it's not associated with it.
[22:52.980 --> 22:56.980]  You are simply an appointed person to write the checks on it
[22:56.980 --> 23:00.980]  and to do the duties that have been assigned to you.
[23:00.980 --> 23:06.980]  It protects. I've been doing it for way over 20 years.
[23:06.980 --> 23:07.980]  I'm sorry.
[23:07.980 --> 23:08.980]  Say that again, please.
[23:08.980 --> 23:11.980]  I've said I've been doing it for way over 20 years, exactly this way,
[23:11.980 --> 23:21.980]  and I have never had a single association account be compromised because of me or anybody.
[23:21.980 --> 23:24.980]  Talking incorporated versus unincorporated,
[23:24.980 --> 23:31.980]  how do you avoid the necessity of the name association for the creation of your association?
[23:31.980 --> 23:35.980]  Whose name is the creator or whatever for this thing?
[23:35.980 --> 23:36.980]  Right. Here's the thing.
[23:36.980 --> 23:41.980]  I just send in the paperwork and I say, for instance,
[23:41.980 --> 23:44.980]  most of the people allow me to be the president of it.
[23:44.980 --> 23:50.980]  So I say I'm the president and I'm opening up this new unincorporated association
[23:50.980 --> 23:56.980]  and an unincorporated nonprofit association, and here's the basic.
[23:56.980 --> 24:00.980]  It's only a single-page paper that I need to send in with the basic fees,
[24:00.980 --> 24:08.980]  and when they get it, it's opened up just because I am the creator of that,
[24:08.980 --> 24:10.980]  but you have nothing to do with it.
[24:10.980 --> 24:15.980]  After it is created, I appoint you to be the treasurer
[24:15.980 --> 24:18.980]  and whoever else you want to be the secretary.
[24:18.980 --> 24:23.980]  That's all that's required.
[24:23.980 --> 24:29.980]  And I don't have to give any paperwork, no bylaws, nothing to the state.
[24:29.980 --> 24:32.980]  All I need is these two items done.
[24:32.980 --> 24:37.980]  The bank wants the bylaws, which is okay.
[24:37.980 --> 24:41.980]  They want to know who's allowed to sign and who's not allowed to sign.
[24:41.980 --> 24:44.980]  That's all.
[24:44.980 --> 24:49.980]  I just bought a new timeshare in Las Vegas, and I'm putting it into,
[24:49.980 --> 24:57.980]  what do you call it, donating it to the unincorporated association.
[24:57.980 --> 25:01.980]  Just as we speak, I just got done faxing it over to them.
[25:01.980 --> 25:07.980]  Okay, well normally banks want anyone that's allowed to sign on such an account
[25:07.980 --> 25:11.980]  for whether it be a legal entity or someone else's account.
[25:11.980 --> 25:14.980]  The bank still wants to collect the identification information
[25:14.980 --> 25:17.980]  of whoever is being allowed to sign, Social Security number,
[25:17.980 --> 25:20.980]  tax ID number, whatever that may be.
[25:20.980 --> 25:21.980]  Correct.
[25:21.980 --> 25:25.980]  Are you supplying that or is there a way that you're not supplying that?
[25:25.980 --> 25:29.980]  No, you are supplying your tax ID number because you are the signer.
[25:29.980 --> 25:35.980]  The reason that they want that is they want to know that you're not a bad check writer.
[25:35.980 --> 25:36.980]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[25:36.980 --> 25:42.980]  Are you saying that you supply your personal Social Security number to the bank?
[25:42.980 --> 25:43.980]  Yes.
[25:43.980 --> 25:49.980]  It's not enough just to supply the association's tax ID number?
[25:49.980 --> 25:53.980]  The association's tax ID number opens the association account,
[25:53.980 --> 25:54.980]  but you are going to be the signer.
[25:54.980 --> 25:56.980]  You're the appointed signer, right?
[25:56.980 --> 25:59.980]  So you have to give your Social Security number too.
[25:59.980 --> 26:02.980]  Right, because then the only reason that is taken is to ensure
[26:02.980 --> 26:06.980]  that you're not a bad check writer.
[26:06.980 --> 26:08.980]  It has nothing to do with the association.
[26:08.980 --> 26:11.980]  You're completely out of the picture.
[26:11.980 --> 26:16.980]  But your Social Security number is still associated, excuse the pun,
[26:16.980 --> 26:19.980]  with the association as far as the bank is concerned.
[26:19.980 --> 26:24.980]  And I am fully aware of that, and everybody that has been aware of it,
[26:24.980 --> 26:32.980]  that has had the association pulled up by the IRS, by the collection companies,
[26:32.980 --> 26:38.980]  by the attorneys trying to collect a judgment have all come up with the same situation.
[26:38.980 --> 26:42.980]  They do not tie you in with that association.
[26:42.980 --> 26:46.980]  They leave the association alone.
[26:46.980 --> 26:50.980]  You mean they leave you, they leave the president alone?
[26:50.980 --> 26:54.980]  Right, because they're checking on you, right?
[26:54.980 --> 26:55.980]  They're checking on your Social Security.
[26:55.980 --> 26:56.980]  Oh, I see, I see.
[26:56.980 --> 26:57.980]  Okay, okay.
[26:57.980 --> 26:58.980]  All right.
[26:58.980 --> 27:00.980]  So they'll pull up, they'll say, well, she's the, you know,
[27:00.980 --> 27:04.980]  Deborah is the treasurer of ABC Association.
[27:04.980 --> 27:07.980]  Well, yeah, but she's only the treasurer.
[27:07.980 --> 27:09.980]  She doesn't own that.
[27:09.980 --> 27:13.980]  She's got no involvement in it whatsoever.
[27:13.980 --> 27:14.980]  Well, back to the subject.
[27:14.980 --> 27:16.980]  Go ahead, Eddie.
[27:16.980 --> 27:22.980]  What type of tax filing requirements and other paperwork are there associated
[27:22.980 --> 27:25.980]  with this association and who gets it?
[27:25.980 --> 27:28.980]  Well, let me put it this way.
[27:28.980 --> 27:30.980]  I've had it for 20 years.
[27:30.980 --> 27:33.980]  I have never filed any taxes on any of that stuff.
[27:33.980 --> 27:36.980]  And in 2001, in 11 weeks,
[27:36.980 --> 27:43.980]  there was over a million dollars that went through one of the associations.
[27:43.980 --> 27:49.980]  Okay, but the question remains is on what ground are you standing for that to be
[27:49.980 --> 27:52.980]  viable if they do come after the association?
[27:52.980 --> 27:58.980]  If they do come after the association, you can do the, remember this,
[27:58.980 --> 28:03.980]  it's sort of like an LSC where the money that's in the association remains in
[28:03.980 --> 28:04.980]  there.
[28:04.980 --> 28:11.980]  And all you're doing is using the association account for expenses.
[28:11.980 --> 28:15.980]  So when I need gas for the car, I use the association account.
[28:15.980 --> 28:19.980]  When I need to travel somewhere, the association is what sends me there.
[28:19.980 --> 28:23.980]  When I need to buy anything, whatever, the association buys it.
[28:23.980 --> 28:29.980]  If I'm taking somebody out to dinner, the association buys the dinner.
[28:29.980 --> 28:38.980]  So it comes up on the, like a business expense.
[28:38.980 --> 28:40.980]  Correct.
[28:40.980 --> 28:46.980]  But how does the association avoid tax filing requirements?
[28:46.980 --> 28:54.980]  I understand how a trust can do it, but how does the association get by it?
[28:54.980 --> 29:00.980]  The IRS sends you a statement saying that you have filing requirements, okay?
[29:00.980 --> 29:08.980]  I have never done any filing over 20 years.
[29:08.980 --> 29:13.980]  So does that mean that there's no teeth to their claim of a requirement,
[29:13.980 --> 29:16.980]  or does it mean they just haven't come after you?
[29:16.980 --> 29:19.980]  Okay, let me give you a good example, okay?
[29:19.980 --> 29:24.980]  And when I do open the bank account, I ask for a non-interest-bearing bank
[29:24.980 --> 29:26.980]  account.
[29:26.980 --> 29:28.980]  Why do I do that?
[29:28.980 --> 29:31.980]  And when I'm transferring funds in and out, I make sure that they're small
[29:31.980 --> 29:38.980]  amounts, they're always under $10,000, and I do not bring attention to that
[29:38.980 --> 29:40.980]  account.
[29:40.980 --> 29:44.980]  Right, because if it earns interest, then you certainly are required to file.
[29:44.980 --> 29:50.980]  If you earn two pennies of interest income, you have to file.
[29:50.980 --> 29:51.980]  Right.
[29:51.980 --> 29:53.980]  Okay, hold on, we're going to break.
[29:53.980 --> 29:55.980]  We'll be right back, folks.
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[31:00.980 --> 31:27.980]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm going to solve them, to the head of government
[31:27.980 --> 31:35.980]  for the case.
[31:35.980 --> 31:36.980]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[31:36.980 --> 31:42.980]  We're speaking with Dennis Gray, talking about unincorporated associations.
[31:42.980 --> 31:47.980]  Dennis, I had a question concerning, well, I just wanted to get into a little
[31:47.980 --> 31:51.980]  bit of the difference between a pure trust and these unincorporated
[31:51.980 --> 31:52.980]  associations.
[31:52.980 --> 31:58.980]  You mentioned a case where there was a trustee, and the trust got
[31:58.980 --> 32:02.980]  confiscated because the IRS said, the trust belongs to you because you're
[32:02.980 --> 32:04.980]  the trustee, you own the trust.
[32:04.980 --> 32:08.980]  I did not think that technically trustees owned trusts.
[32:08.980 --> 32:11.980]  In fact, I thought it was similar to an association.
[32:11.980 --> 32:13.980]  Technically, nobody owns the trust.
[32:13.980 --> 32:18.980]  The trustees are just the managers, similar to what you're saying.
[32:18.980 --> 32:25.980]  So what is the difference here regarding that, and how can a trustee own a
[32:25.980 --> 32:26.980]  trust?
[32:26.980 --> 32:27.980]  I don't understand that.
[32:27.980 --> 32:29.980]  Well, a trustee doesn't own the trust.
[32:29.980 --> 32:35.980]  Actually, the best way that I explain a trust is my writing a letter to you,
[32:35.980 --> 32:36.980]  Deborah.
[32:36.980 --> 32:37.980]  I'm the trustor.
[32:37.980 --> 32:42.980]  I give it to the trustee, the post office, to deliver it to my beneficiary,
[32:42.980 --> 32:44.980]  you, at a later date.
[32:44.980 --> 32:48.980]  Nobody can touch it in between, correct?
[32:48.980 --> 32:49.980]  Okay.
[32:49.980 --> 32:51.980]  That's a trust.
[32:51.980 --> 32:57.980]  So yeah, I think what we're looking at here is if the benefactor and the
[32:57.980 --> 33:03.980]  trustee are one and the same person, the IRS is treating that like a
[33:03.980 --> 33:12.980]  corporation where there's a corporation, and the only one who has any
[33:12.980 --> 33:18.980]  authority over the corporation is the CEO or president, and you call it one
[33:18.980 --> 33:20.980]  person, they call it an alter ego.
[33:20.980 --> 33:25.980]  Right, but in a situation where the creator or the grantor, whoever the
[33:25.980 --> 33:30.980]  creator of the trust is, if that's a different person from the trustee or
[33:30.980 --> 33:38.980]  trustees and the beneficiaries are yet more different people, then is that a
[33:38.980 --> 33:43.980]  situation that cannot be broken in a pure trust?
[33:43.980 --> 33:46.980]  I don't know about pure trust, okay?
[33:46.980 --> 33:51.980]  I don't mess with them anymore because I love the association.
[33:51.980 --> 33:52.980]  I'll tell you what.
[33:52.980 --> 33:55.980]  Here's the beauty of the whole thing.
[33:55.980 --> 34:03.980]  For $995, I do these two associations for the people, and I will do that for
[34:03.980 --> 34:08.980]  the express thing, which costs me an extra $165.
[34:08.980 --> 34:10.980]  That's included in there.
[34:10.980 --> 34:14.980]  I will do both of these and get them out to the people, and then they pay
[34:14.980 --> 34:17.980]  $25 once every five years.
[34:17.980 --> 34:23.980]  So which way do you want to go?
[34:23.980 --> 34:24.980]  Well, I like the idea.
[34:24.980 --> 34:28.980]  Yeah, we're just trying to understand it.
[34:28.980 --> 34:33.980]  Yeah, we're just trying to understand it.
[34:33.980 --> 34:36.980]  I can give you two of the California laws.
[34:36.980 --> 34:41.980]  You can go under California, what is it?
[34:41.980 --> 34:50.980]  California is 18200 and 21300, 18200 and 21300.
[34:50.980 --> 34:56.980]  It says California Corporations Code, CCC, California Corporations Code.
[34:56.980 --> 35:04.980]  You just go into Google and put in CAA, California Corporations Code, 18200
[35:04.980 --> 35:09.980]  and 21300, and you'll get all the information about these associations,
[35:09.980 --> 35:13.980]  but it's very, very, very basic.
[35:13.980 --> 35:23.980]  In other words, it will tell you the association is an association unto itself.
[35:23.980 --> 35:29.980]  Am I to understand that the association is intended for a certain kind of
[35:29.980 --> 35:37.980]  business, unlike a trust that's just intended to protect someone's assets,
[35:37.980 --> 35:44.980]  an association appears to have been developed for something other than just
[35:44.980 --> 35:46.980]  protecting assets?
[35:46.980 --> 35:52.980]  Well, that is why I do the unincorporated nonprofit association.
[35:52.980 --> 36:00.980]  So when you do the nonprofit, you can donate your assets to that nonprofit.
[36:00.980 --> 36:06.980]  Now, what kind of documents do you have to file with any government entity?
[36:06.980 --> 36:09.980]  I think I heard Randy mentioning something about the Secretary of State.
[36:09.980 --> 36:11.980]  What do you file with the Secretary of State?
[36:11.980 --> 36:13.980]  The only thing I do is I get it registered.
[36:13.980 --> 36:16.980]  There's a statement and a registration.
[36:16.980 --> 36:17.980]  That's all I do.
[36:17.980 --> 36:22.980]  I get the statement and the registration done with the Secretary of State,
[36:22.980 --> 36:24.980]  and you're done.
[36:24.980 --> 36:29.980]  You never have to do it again, except once every five years.
[36:29.980 --> 36:32.980]  You don't have to give them bylaws or anything else.
[36:32.980 --> 36:35.980]  All you need is the statement and the registration.
[36:35.980 --> 36:40.980]  Once that is done, once every five years, you make sure that about the four
[36:40.980 --> 36:42.980]  and a half years down the road, you send them 25 bucks
[36:42.980 --> 36:47.980]  and continue it for another five years.
[36:47.980 --> 36:50.980]  That's all I've been doing since 1988.
[36:50.980 --> 36:54.980]  It sounds simple enough.
[36:54.980 --> 36:57.980]  We do have a caller.
[36:57.980 --> 36:58.980]  Well, hold on.
[36:58.980 --> 37:01.980]  I need to screen the call, Randy, to make sure Carlos is on point,
[37:01.980 --> 37:05.980]  because I still have some questions for the guests, too,
[37:05.980 --> 37:08.980]  before we start getting off on a mortgage topic or something else.
[37:08.980 --> 37:11.980]  So give me a chance to screen the calls first.
[37:11.980 --> 37:15.980]  Randy, is there a difference on where this association is established,
[37:15.980 --> 37:19.980]  or do you always establish them in the same state or what?
[37:19.980 --> 37:23.980]  I established them personally in California, because I'm here.
[37:23.980 --> 37:27.980]  See, if you're in another state, you need to have agents for service of process,
[37:27.980 --> 37:32.980]  et cetera, so I become the agent for service of process, and I am here.
[37:32.980 --> 37:34.980]  So that means that if anybody wanted to sue you,
[37:34.980 --> 37:36.980]  the first thing they've got to find you.
[37:36.980 --> 37:39.980]  Then they've got to find the agent of service of process.
[37:39.980 --> 37:42.980]  I'm going to give you an association, and not just say,
[37:42.980 --> 37:48.980]  hey, go look, see if you can find the association with the state,
[37:48.980 --> 37:53.980]  and tell me who the agent for service of process is.
[37:53.980 --> 37:56.980]  Okay, Randy, on that note, if we do it that way,
[37:56.980 --> 37:58.980]  even though this is an unincorporated,
[37:58.980 --> 38:03.980]  how would that affect the requirement of registering it to Transact Business,
[38:03.980 --> 38:07.980]  have access to the courts, or any other thing here within Texas?
[38:07.980 --> 38:12.980]  In fact, the association itself is not doing business.
[38:12.980 --> 38:15.980]  I would think that you would have a business
[38:15.980 --> 38:21.980]  that was either inside or owned by the association.
[38:21.980 --> 38:23.980]  You do a DBA?
[38:23.980 --> 38:24.980]  A DBA.
[38:24.980 --> 38:32.980]  For instance, I have one association doing business as four or five other different entities.
[38:32.980 --> 38:41.980]  So they would be registered, they would show up as the DBA and not as the association.
[38:41.980 --> 38:42.980]  Correct.
[38:42.980 --> 38:44.980]  You're doing business as that name.
[38:44.980 --> 38:49.980]  So ABC Association is doing business as Kelton Real Estate.
[38:49.980 --> 38:58.980]  Now, all the money that comes in from Kelton goes into that association.
[38:58.980 --> 39:02.980]  Because when you go and open the bank account, you tell the bank,
[39:02.980 --> 39:13.980]  hey, Kelton Real Estate is one and the same as the ABC Association.
[39:13.980 --> 39:20.980]  So I can go in right now, and I've got four different associations working under one in one bank.
[39:20.980 --> 39:22.980]  So I just find the check and take it in.
[39:22.980 --> 39:24.980]  Sometimes the teller will tell me, hey, this is a different name.
[39:24.980 --> 39:29.980]  And I say, please look at the notes and you'll see that I'm allowed to sign this and put it in.
[39:29.980 --> 39:31.980]  And they say, oh, yeah, I see that.
[39:31.980 --> 39:34.980]  Okay.
[39:34.980 --> 39:38.980]  And everything that we sign, we also put that stamp on the bank.
[39:38.980 --> 39:43.980]  You guys know what that stamp is, right, that you put on the back?
[39:43.980 --> 39:45.980]  We've heard about it, yes.
[39:45.980 --> 39:52.980]  The one that says, deposited for credit on account or exchanged for non-refundable Federal Reserve notes.
[39:52.980 --> 39:58.980]  Sorry, not non-redeemable, not refundable.
[39:58.980 --> 39:59.980]  Okay.
[39:59.980 --> 40:02.980]  No, I'm not familiar with that one.
[40:02.980 --> 40:08.980]  That's a pretty neat little stamp because it's a non-redeemable Federal Reserve note.
[40:08.980 --> 40:12.980]  And sometimes the teller will say, well, what is this?
[40:12.980 --> 40:15.980]  And I say, well, you've given me Federal Reserve notes.
[40:15.980 --> 40:16.980]  Are they redeemable?
[40:16.980 --> 40:20.980]  He goes, oh, okay.
[40:20.980 --> 40:22.980]  Well, what's the point of it?
[40:22.980 --> 40:26.980]  That makes it non-income.
[40:26.980 --> 40:29.980]  Oh.
[40:29.980 --> 40:32.980]  So you're receiving notes that are non-redeemable.
[40:32.980 --> 40:35.980]  That means you can't recover any value for them.
[40:35.980 --> 40:37.980]  Correct.
[40:37.980 --> 40:39.980]  So therefore it's not income.
[40:39.980 --> 40:40.980]  Well, that's interesting.
[40:40.980 --> 40:41.980]  Correct.
[40:41.980 --> 40:43.980]  Interesting, isn't it?
[40:43.980 --> 40:44.980]  Yes.
[40:44.980 --> 40:46.980]  Deb, you had some questions for him.
[40:46.980 --> 40:57.980]  Well, yes, I'm just still trying to understand just the concept of the association and how it's different
[40:57.980 --> 41:00.980]  and why it's so much easier to get it.
[41:00.980 --> 41:05.980]  Okay, speaking of the DBA, all right, does the DBA open the bank account
[41:05.980 --> 41:07.980]  or the association open the bank account?
[41:07.980 --> 41:09.980]  The association opens the bank account.
[41:09.980 --> 41:13.980]  Okay.
[41:13.980 --> 41:17.980]  Now who would be the association members?
[41:17.980 --> 41:27.980]  Members, anybody that, let's just say you're doing a real estate education program
[41:27.980 --> 41:29.980]  like Randy is doing right now, right?
[41:29.980 --> 41:35.980]  He's doing remedies in real estate, okay, and he's going around and he's doing seminars.
[41:35.980 --> 41:40.980]  He puts all the money into the remedies in real estate bank account.
[41:40.980 --> 41:51.980]  He can make the people members for simply saying, hey, if you buy a ticket to come to my next seminar,
[41:51.980 --> 41:53.980]  you automatically become a member.
[41:53.980 --> 42:01.980]  Now as a member, you're entitled to all the information that comes out of this association.
[42:01.980 --> 42:08.980]  That is maybe on my website or my newsletter that I email every month or week or whatever it is.
[42:08.980 --> 42:18.980]  So members are the people that are coming to this association presentation.
[42:18.980 --> 42:24.980]  I tell anybody who wants anything from me that they need to become a member of my association
[42:24.980 --> 42:25.980]  and they go, well, how do I do that?
[42:25.980 --> 42:26.980]  This is no problem.
[42:26.980 --> 42:28.980]  I made you one already.
[42:28.980 --> 42:31.980]  I put them in my logbook.
[42:31.980 --> 42:33.980]  Go ahead.
[42:33.980 --> 42:35.980]  Why would they want to be a member of this association?
[42:35.980 --> 42:37.980]  What benefit is that?
[42:37.980 --> 42:43.980]  Well, the benefit is all the information that's coming out of the association.
[42:43.980 --> 42:46.980]  Are you going to share it with them?
[42:46.980 --> 42:50.980]  If you've got new stuff, would you want to send it to your association member?
[42:50.980 --> 42:52.980]  If there's something you want them to know?
[42:52.980 --> 42:54.980]  I share all the information I have.
[42:54.980 --> 42:56.980]  I'm sharing anyway.
[42:56.980 --> 43:01.980]  I don't understand the involvement of the association in sharing information.
[43:01.980 --> 43:10.980]  Well, it makes it more legitimate.
[43:10.980 --> 43:20.980]  An association basically is a group of people getting together to share one purpose.
[43:20.980 --> 43:34.980]  Okay, does that have any sort of tax advantage or protective advantages?
[43:34.980 --> 43:37.980]  I'm going to address this on the other side.
[43:37.980 --> 43:41.980]  This is Randy Kelkin, Debra Stevens, Eddie Craig,
[43:41.980 --> 43:47.980]  with our special guest Dennis Gray talking about unincorporated associations.
[43:47.980 --> 43:51.980]  We'll be back on the other side to finish this discussion
[43:51.980 --> 43:53.980]  and maybe start taking some phone calls.
[43:53.980 --> 44:00.980]  Yeah, folks, call in 512-646-1984.
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[45:23.980 --> 45:28.980]  Always, I must be careful what I'm wishing for.
[45:28.980 --> 45:33.980]  When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for.
[45:33.980 --> 45:39.980]  I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton.
[45:39.980 --> 45:45.980]  I'm just here making my living pushing buttons.
[45:45.980 --> 45:51.980]  I get my message out to anyone in shot and distance.
[45:51.980 --> 45:57.980]  Both for bravery and against slavery, show your resistance.
[45:57.980 --> 46:02.980]  First I'm crawling, then I'm walking, then I start strutting.
[46:02.980 --> 46:19.980]  I'm just so glad to make my living pushing buttons.
[46:19.980 --> 46:22.980]  Yeah, I thought Randy was going to bring us in, but he's not.
[46:22.980 --> 46:24.980]  So I'll bring us in.
[46:24.980 --> 46:26.980]  Somebody smuck in here and muted my mic again.
[46:26.980 --> 46:29.980]  Okay, so Randy, will you please repeat your question to Dennis?
[46:29.980 --> 46:32.980]  And Carlos will be right with you.
[46:32.980 --> 46:38.980]  Yeah, when we were going out I was wondering why someone would want to be a member of the association.
[46:38.980 --> 46:44.980]  Does it create any tax advantage or business advantage?
[46:44.980 --> 46:48.980]  Why would I want to be a member of the association?
[46:48.980 --> 46:51.980]  Why would I want to be a member of the association?
[46:51.980 --> 46:57.980]  The only reason I would want to be a member of the association was if there was some benefit coming out of that association for me.
[46:57.980 --> 47:03.980]  So here's the thing, Randy, you're going out to do a presentation, Remedies in Real Estate.
[47:03.980 --> 47:10.980]  When I send in my application to attend that seminar,
[47:10.980 --> 47:14.980]  I'm sending in my extra 25 bucks to become a member of that association.
[47:14.980 --> 47:23.980]  Because as you move along and as you get new ideas, new thoughts, you may want to do a monthly email out,
[47:23.980 --> 47:27.980]  and I'm going to get that benefit, and so I become a member of your association.
[47:27.980 --> 47:34.980]  There's no tax benefit or anything else for me other than becoming a member of your association.
[47:34.980 --> 47:35.980]  Oh, okay.
[47:35.980 --> 47:38.980]  That was kind of what I was looking for.
[47:38.980 --> 47:43.980]  We do have a caller, and he does have a question on point.
[47:43.980 --> 47:45.980]  Carlos, what's on your mind?
[47:45.980 --> 47:48.980]  What is your question for Dennis?
[47:48.980 --> 47:49.980]  Hi there.
[47:49.980 --> 47:51.980]  Good evening, everybody.
[47:51.980 --> 47:52.980]  Good evening.
[47:52.980 --> 47:53.980]  Yes, hi.
[47:53.980 --> 47:54.980]  Good evening, Carlos.
[47:54.980 --> 47:55.980]  Go ahead, Carlos.
[47:55.980 --> 47:56.980]  What's your question?
[47:56.980 --> 47:57.980]  Okay.
[47:57.980 --> 47:58.980]  My question is this.
[47:58.980 --> 48:02.980]  I fully understand his – I know you guys are lost, kind of lost from the question you're asking,
[48:02.980 --> 48:06.980]  but I do understand his process, which is very interesting.
[48:06.980 --> 48:11.980]  It's like some kind of charitable trust or something like that.
[48:11.980 --> 48:15.980]  I would like to find out more about it, and can you give out your info?
[48:15.980 --> 48:21.980]  Because I do have some processes, and I used to work the same style your guest is working.
[48:21.980 --> 48:31.980]  So actually, at this minute, I just want his contact info, if it's possible.
[48:31.980 --> 48:34.980]  I don't know what you guys want me to do.
[48:34.980 --> 48:38.980]  Well, Dennis, Dennis, do you have – Dennis, okay, so we're on the air now,
[48:38.980 --> 48:42.980]  and folks who may just be joining the show, this is not a conference call.
[48:42.980 --> 48:44.980]  This is not a private conference call.
[48:44.980 --> 48:46.980]  This is a public broadcast.
[48:46.980 --> 48:50.980]  We are on the air right now in front of tens of thousands of people, maybe more.
[48:50.980 --> 48:55.980]  We're carried by a couple dozen AM and FM affiliates around the country.
[48:55.980 --> 48:58.980]  So Dennis, if you have a website that you would like to give out
[48:58.980 --> 49:01.980]  or an email address that you wouldn't mind giving out in public,
[49:01.980 --> 49:04.980]  you might not want to give out your phone number on the air,
[49:04.980 --> 49:07.980]  but a website or email would be great.
[49:07.980 --> 49:15.980]  Let me give an email address, and an email address that you can use is MLGNOW.
[49:15.980 --> 49:25.980]  That's Mary, Larry, George, Nancy, O for orange, W for who?
[49:25.980 --> 49:28.980]  WHO, okay, at gmail.com.
[49:28.980 --> 49:30.980]  That is one of my associations.
[49:30.980 --> 49:32.980]  Okay, what city are you in, sir?
[49:32.980 --> 49:34.980]  I'm in San Diego.
[49:34.980 --> 49:38.980]  Okay, I'm about 160 miles from you.
[49:38.980 --> 49:39.980]  Okay, great, thank you.
[49:39.980 --> 49:43.980]  Okay, thanks.
[49:43.980 --> 49:48.980]  He knows what I'm doing because he used to do it before.
[49:48.980 --> 49:52.980]  Yeah, and listeners out there, if you have questions or comments
[49:52.980 --> 49:56.980]  or if you know about associations and want to call in and have a discussion with us,
[49:56.980 --> 50:02.980]  the call-in number is 512-646-1984.
[50:02.980 --> 50:06.980]  Do you have anything else for us, Carlos?
[50:06.980 --> 50:12.980]  Yes, actually, let me give him a scenario.
[50:12.980 --> 50:14.980]  I'm selling my home.
[50:14.980 --> 50:18.980]  I have multiple LLCs and corporations.
[50:18.980 --> 50:20.980]  I want to get away from that.
[50:20.980 --> 50:25.980]  I'm dealing with land trust and trust law, and that's what I'm dealing with,
[50:25.980 --> 50:29.980]  and I don't see a problem trying to control my assets
[50:29.980 --> 50:31.980]  and my money coming in through your system.
[50:31.980 --> 50:38.980]  Can you explain if I sell my property and I'm going to get a check for so much money,
[50:38.980 --> 50:44.980]  how would I send that money to that corporation or association,
[50:44.980 --> 50:48.980]  or what's the best way to make a plan?
[50:48.980 --> 50:51.980]  Give me an idea, just a rough idea.
[50:51.980 --> 50:55.980]  Well, okay, you've got an LLC, and if you want the LLC,
[50:55.980 --> 51:01.980]  let's just pull a name out of the air for your LLC.
[51:01.980 --> 51:03.980]  Yeah, I want to deal with an LLC.
[51:03.980 --> 51:06.980]  I want to stay away from the corporation LLC.
[51:06.980 --> 51:10.980]  Okay, here's what I'm going to suggest, okay?
[51:10.980 --> 51:13.980]  So we're going to call it LLC123.
[51:13.980 --> 51:19.980]  LLC123 is a real LLC, limited liability company, right?
[51:19.980 --> 51:24.980]  I can set up LLC123 association for you.
[51:24.980 --> 51:26.980]  And it doesn't even have to say association.
[51:26.980 --> 51:29.980]  It can say LLC123, okay?
[51:29.980 --> 51:33.980]  You will have two associations, one to set up your bank account
[51:33.980 --> 51:36.980]  and one will be the nonprofit.
[51:36.980 --> 51:41.980]  So when you sell, you can get your check in the LLC123 name
[51:41.980 --> 51:48.980]  and go deposit it into the LLC123 association bank account.
[51:48.980 --> 51:57.980]  And from now on, everything that LLC123 does, does it in the LLC123 association name.
[51:57.980 --> 51:59.980]  I understand, great, okay.
[51:59.980 --> 52:00.980]  Does that make sense to you?
[52:00.980 --> 52:01.980]  Yeah, it makes sense.
[52:01.980 --> 52:04.980]  And what are they going to ask me to open up an account,
[52:04.980 --> 52:05.980]  a non-interest-bearing account?
[52:05.980 --> 52:08.980]  Because I know what a non-interest-bearing account is,
[52:08.980 --> 52:13.980]  but are they going to ask me anything pertaining to that?
[52:13.980 --> 52:16.980]  No, here's what happens.
[52:16.980 --> 52:19.980]  You walk in, I give you the banking bylaws,
[52:19.980 --> 52:21.980]  which says that you are the only one authorized
[52:21.980 --> 52:26.980]  or whoever else you want authorized to sign on that account.
[52:26.980 --> 52:29.980]  You can designate anybody you want to be president.
[52:29.980 --> 52:31.980]  If you are in California,
[52:31.980 --> 52:37.980]  you don't need to make me even to be your agent for service of process.
[52:37.980 --> 52:41.980]  What happens then is I give you the paperwork that's signed by the association,
[52:41.980 --> 52:49.980]  I mean by the Secretary of State and certified by the Secretary of State as being done there.
[52:49.980 --> 52:55.980]  Then you get the bylaws and the banking resolution.
[52:55.980 --> 52:59.980]  You simply walk in there and the only question they're going to ask you,
[52:59.980 --> 53:02.980]  other than your name and social security number,
[53:02.980 --> 53:05.980]  is what is the purpose of this association?
[53:05.980 --> 53:09.980]  You can say, hey, I'm real estate investing, real estate consulting, real estate,
[53:09.980 --> 53:10.980]  whatever you want to do.
[53:10.980 --> 53:15.980]  I am usually opening my associations as consulting and education.
[53:15.980 --> 53:16.980]  That's all.
[53:16.980 --> 53:17.980]  I don't say real estate.
[53:17.980 --> 53:20.980]  I don't say anything else, just consulting and education.
[53:20.980 --> 53:24.980]  Yeah, that's the best one because I learned that's the best thing to do.
[53:24.980 --> 53:26.980]  Keep it very simple.
[53:26.980 --> 53:29.980]  Now, are they going to ask for an EIN number?
[53:29.980 --> 53:32.980]  The EIN number, I've already got that for you.
[53:32.980 --> 53:34.980]  That's on your paperwork.
[53:34.980 --> 53:35.980]  Okay, great.
[53:35.980 --> 53:36.980]  Okay, great.
[53:36.980 --> 53:39.980]  And I didn't use your social security number to get it.
[53:39.980 --> 53:42.980]  I have a third party that allows me to do it,
[53:42.980 --> 53:45.980]  and he's only there for a very limited period of time.
[53:45.980 --> 53:46.980]  Okay.
[53:46.980 --> 53:50.980]  So he's fired and a new secretary treasurer is hired.
[53:50.980 --> 53:51.980]  Okay.
[53:51.980 --> 53:56.980]  Basically, once I'm set up, I can be on my own for the rest of my life?
[53:56.980 --> 53:57.980]  Absolutely.
[53:57.980 --> 54:02.980]  And all you need to do is to have in your will or whatever saying,
[54:02.980 --> 54:10.980]  should I pass away, ABC goes in and simply takes a document in saying,
[54:10.980 --> 54:14.980]  you know, so-and-so passed away and I have taken over this association.
[54:14.980 --> 54:16.980]  It's not a right to walk into the bank,
[54:16.980 --> 54:19.980]  and you take over the entire bank account and the entire association.
[54:19.980 --> 54:24.980]  Right, because I used to have a business trust, which I used to do everything,
[54:24.980 --> 54:28.980]  but I want to keep a low profile, if you know what I mean.
[54:28.980 --> 54:33.980]  It's so low profile, when I go to the state, they don't even have paperwork for it.
[54:33.980 --> 54:35.980]  Okay, great, great.
[54:35.980 --> 54:39.980]  Okay, I have to make my own paperwork to send it to the state for them to record it.
[54:39.980 --> 54:45.980]  Okay, so obviously it's also an asset protection system also, from what I can see.
[54:45.980 --> 54:48.980]  Yes, it's absolutely the best asset protection system.
[54:48.980 --> 54:50.980]  Okay, that's what I wanted to hear.
[54:50.980 --> 54:51.980]  Okay, thank you.
[54:51.980 --> 54:53.980]  Great, okay, calling you.
[54:53.980 --> 54:55.980]  I'll be getting in touch with you.
[54:55.980 --> 54:57.980]  Thanks.
[54:57.980 --> 55:01.980]  All right, thank you, Carlos.
[55:01.980 --> 55:03.980]  Okay, I'm back.
[55:03.980 --> 55:08.980]  Okay.
[55:08.980 --> 55:13.980]  All right, so with the unincorporated association, there's really no,
[55:13.980 --> 55:17.980]  like you don't have to worry about a grantor or a creator.
[55:17.980 --> 55:20.980]  It can all be the same person?
[55:20.980 --> 55:23.980]  Absolutely, you don't have to worry about anything.
[55:23.980 --> 55:29.980]  All you do is you send me a little information sheet that says what's the name of the association.
[55:29.980 --> 55:35.980]  Try not to use your name, try not to use the street name of your house or something like this
[55:35.980 --> 55:37.980]  if you want to put your house into it.
[55:37.980 --> 55:48.980]  For instance, my car, there is in one, and it's in an association called PHI-01.
[55:48.980 --> 55:52.980]  It has nothing to do with me.
[55:52.980 --> 55:53.980]  I drive it around.
[55:53.980 --> 56:01.980]  If I get stopped, I say, look, I'm the treasurer for the association and I'm allowed to drive this.
[56:01.980 --> 56:05.980]  If you need proof, I'll bring it in to you.
[56:05.980 --> 56:15.980]  Now, you can also have a document in the glove compartment that says that you are the authorized person,
[56:15.980 --> 56:20.980]  caretaker of that automobile, the house, the stocks, the bonds, whatever it is.
[56:20.980 --> 56:28.980]  You are the authorized person to take care of that.
[56:28.980 --> 56:36.980]  In that regard, it's similar to a trust that, just like I was working for a company and driving a company car.
[56:36.980 --> 56:37.980]  Correct.
[56:37.980 --> 56:42.980]  I had a young man come by and he was starting his new electric company.
[56:42.980 --> 56:45.980]  He just went out and bought a new truck.
[56:45.980 --> 56:50.980]  The first thing we did was we started an association and put his truck right into the association
[56:50.980 --> 56:52.980]  and put it into the nonprofit part.
[56:52.980 --> 56:53.980]  He was so happy.
[56:53.980 --> 56:58.980]  He opened his bank account with the same name as his electric company.
[56:58.980 --> 57:01.980]  It's an unincorporated association.
[57:01.980 --> 57:04.980]  All the checks are going into the unincorporated association's bank account.
[57:04.980 --> 57:09.980]  His automobile belongs to the nonprofit side of that same association.
[57:09.980 --> 57:18.980]  He's got no responsibility on the truck or the bank account.
[57:18.980 --> 57:23.980]  What more than that do you want for asset protection?
[57:23.980 --> 57:25.980]  You control it.
[57:25.980 --> 57:26.980]  You don't own it.
[57:26.980 --> 57:30.980]  You don't own it, similar to what you try to do in a trust.
[57:30.980 --> 57:36.980]  This sounds like the IRS hasn't come after him to take him apart yet.
[57:36.980 --> 57:47.980]  I suspect that the association has other purposes that keeps the bad guy away from them.
[57:47.980 --> 57:58.980]  I believe that this is such a little known thing because I believe the people,
[57:58.980 --> 58:02.980]  the big boys in government use these associations to protect their assets.
[58:02.980 --> 58:06.980]  That's kind of what I was thinking. That's probably why they're left alone.
[58:06.980 --> 58:12.980]  Because if they come after you, they have to come after the guys who put them in place for their own personal protection.
[58:12.980 --> 58:19.980]  Correct. It asks for such little information.
[58:19.980 --> 58:24.980]  Okay. Well, that was very interesting and thank you very much.
[58:24.980 --> 58:29.980]  And you will see how it works when you get your own association soon.
[58:29.980 --> 58:34.980]  All right. Thank you very much.
[58:34.980 --> 58:37.980]  Thank you, Dennis. We appreciate everything.
[58:37.980 --> 58:41.980]  Thank you, Deborah. Thank you, Ed. And thank you, Randy, for inviting me.
[58:41.980 --> 58:43.980]  Okay. Have a good night.
[58:43.980 --> 58:44.980]  Bye-bye.
[58:44.980 --> 58:52.980]  All right, folks. We will be back after this break for your calls, 512-646-1984.
[58:52.980 --> 58:58.980]  We've got three more hours of the Info Marathon, Friday Night Info Marathon. We'll be right back.
[58:58.980 --> 59:04.980]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy.
[59:04.980 --> 59:07.980]  And neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[59:07.980 --> 59:10.980]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books, then.
[59:10.980 --> 59:11.980]  Brave New Books?
[59:11.980 --> 59:18.980]  Yes. Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and G. Edward Griffin.
[59:18.980 --> 59:22.980]  They even stock inner food, Berkey products, and Calvin Soaps.
[59:22.980 --> 59:24.980]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[59:24.980 --> 59:30.980]  Go check it out for yourself. It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street, just south of UT.
[59:30.980 --> 59:34.980]  By UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[59:34.980 --> 59:41.980]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK Parking Facility, just behind the bookstore.
[59:41.980 --> 59:45.980]  It does exist, but when are they open?
[59:45.980 --> 59:58.980]  Monday through Saturday, 11 AM to 9 PM, and 1 to 6 PM on Sundays. So give them a call at 512-480-2503, or check out their events page at bravenewbookstore.com.
[59:58.980 --> 01:00:03.980]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:00:03.980 --> 01:00:13.980]  Private First Class Bradley Manning, the U.S. soldier suspected of leaking classified material to WikiLeaks, has been transferred to a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Virginia.
[01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:24.980]  The Army hasn't decided whether Manning, a former intelligence analyst who was charged in June with eight violations of the U.S. Criminal Code, should face a military trial.
[01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:31.980]  Despite billions in aid from Washington, Pakistanis have an overwhelmingly negative view of the U.S.
[01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:44.980]  A Pew Research Center poll released Thursday found nearly six out of ten Pakistanis describe the U.S. as an enemy and want U.S. troops out of Afghanistan.
[01:00:44.980 --> 01:00:56.980]  Two powerful blasts have killed at least eight Afghan security contractors in Afghanistan amid rising militant attacks against the foreign and government forces in the war-torn country.
[01:00:56.980 --> 01:01:05.980]  Militants flew in al-Qaeda flag over a Baghdad neighborhood Thursday after killing 16 security officials and burning some of their bodies.
[01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:15.980]  It was the bloodiest attack in a day that saw the deaths of 23 Iraqi soldiers, policemen, and other security forces across the country from shootings and roadside bombs.
[01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:23.980]  The mayhem was a stark warning that insurgents are trying to make a comeback as the U.S. military presence decreases daily.
[01:01:23.980 --> 01:01:32.980]  On Wednesday, Vice President Joe Biden had predicted there would not be an extreme outbreak of sectarian violence in Iraq as U.S. forces leave the country.
[01:01:32.980 --> 01:01:39.980]  He said the 50,000 U.S. troops left behind would be more than enough to help Iraqi forces maintain security.
[01:01:39.980 --> 01:01:52.980]  It has been more than four months since Iraq's election, with little indication that a government can be formed before Ramadan begins in mid-August, bringing a halt to business in much of the Middle East.
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[01:01:56.980 --> 01:02:04.980]  Republicans on the House of Representatives ethics panel say Representative Charles Rangel passed up chances to settle misconduct charges
[01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:12.980]  and now must face an airing of allegations that include improperly seeking donations from companies with business before Congress.
[01:02:12.980 --> 01:02:21.980]  Charges against Rangel were detailed Thursday at a hearing of a subcommittee to determine whether Rangel is guilty of 13 allegations of ethical misconduct,
[01:02:21.980 --> 01:02:29.980]  a public hearing on the charges, which won't occur until after the August recess, could be awkward for Democrats as November elections approach.
[01:02:29.980 --> 01:02:35.980]  That vote will determine whether the party retains control of the House and Senate.
[01:02:35.980 --> 01:02:46.980]  Charges against Rangel include allegations he obtained $8 million in donations from New York Life, AIG, and private foundations related to AT&T and Verizon
[01:02:46.980 --> 01:02:53.980]  to help fund construction of the Charles Rangel Center for Public Service at the City College of New York.
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[01:02:57.980 --> 01:03:12.980]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:03:12.980 --> 01:03:27.980]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty.
[01:03:27.980 --> 01:03:35.980]  I read his book and it says he cares not for the unsightly.
[01:03:35.980 --> 01:03:45.980]  These warmongers come by that term rightly.
[01:03:45.980 --> 01:03:52.980]  I won't pay for the war with my body. Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money.
[01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:59.980]  I won't pay for the fun with my body. Their plans wicked and their logic shoddy.
[01:03:59.980 --> 01:04:05.980]  Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body. I won't pay for the boys with my money.
[01:04:05.980 --> 01:04:13.980]  Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body. Their whole agenda smells funny.
[01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:26.980]  I wanna fight in a war of my own. That one would be less accidental.
[01:04:26.980 --> 01:04:39.980]  I wanna pay for a war of my own. They live in glass houses so I can watch them grow old.
[01:04:39.980 --> 01:04:50.980]  I wanna fight in a war I can win. I can never win the one that beat at me. And that one I lose long before it begins.
[01:04:50.980 --> 01:05:00.980]  I wanna pay for a war I can win when I'm fighting in my own war.
[01:05:00.980 --> 01:05:13.980]  It's such a peaceful feeling when I'm paying for my own war.
[01:05:13.980 --> 01:05:23.980]  I take time for the healing. Yeah.
[01:05:23.980 --> 01:05:30.980]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty.
[01:05:30.980 --> 01:05:37.980]  I read his book and he says he cares not for the unsightly.
[01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:44.980]  These fear mongers come by next Friday.
[01:05:44.980 --> 01:05:54.980]  Rule of Law Radio, we just spoke with our guest Dennis Gray about unincorporated associations.
[01:05:54.980 --> 01:06:02.980]  So Eddie, do you have any news on the updates for the traffic seminar materials?
[01:06:02.980 --> 01:06:07.980]  Well, like I say, I've got that whole new batch of motions that have been done.
[01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:15.980]  I am now working on the actual briefs for the, if you ever do actually have to go to trial on the merits,
[01:06:15.980 --> 01:06:24.980]  then there will be motions and briefs already put in place for that, arguing what the statutes themselves deal with in regards to these things.
[01:06:24.980 --> 01:06:26.980]  So I've been working on that as well as the other stuff.
[01:06:26.980 --> 01:06:33.980]  I'm helping Randy out with the foreclosure stuff now as much as possible and trying to get that organized.
[01:06:33.980 --> 01:06:38.980]  It's been a really interesting past couple of weeks to tell you the truth.
[01:06:38.980 --> 01:06:43.980]  Yeah, and I'm about to go to court Tuesday.
[01:06:43.980 --> 01:06:49.980]  And after looking over the documentation and considering what went on the last time I went to court,
[01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:57.980]  there's a good chance that the judge is going to ask the bailiff to beat me into unconsciousness
[01:06:57.980 --> 01:07:05.980]  because when I start in with all of these motions, I have no doubt the judge will not have read them,
[01:07:05.980 --> 01:07:09.980]  just like he refused to read them the last time.
[01:07:09.980 --> 01:07:17.980]  And when he does, I'm going to demand that he get out off the bench and then ask the bailiff to drag him off the bench.
[01:07:17.980 --> 01:07:23.980]  If he's too lazy to read the motions, get me a competent jurist,
[01:07:23.980 --> 01:07:29.980]  that I have a right to a competent and fair jurist in the first instance.
[01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:32.980]  So that's going to get real interesting.
[01:07:32.980 --> 01:07:40.980]  There was one issue that I haven't seen in the motions and I want to make sure I get it right.
[01:07:40.980 --> 01:07:44.980]  I was reading in the government code and right now I can't pull the code out.
[01:07:44.980 --> 01:07:48.980]  Maybe Eddie's got it in his head.
[01:07:48.980 --> 01:07:59.980]  Where in a court of record, a municipal court of record, the judge has to be elected.
[01:07:59.980 --> 01:08:05.980]  Deborah, do you ever remember an election for municipal judges in Austin?
[01:08:05.980 --> 01:08:08.980]  No, I do not.
[01:08:08.980 --> 01:08:18.980]  So that's going to be interesting when I ask him when he was last elected because I don't remember voting for him.
[01:08:18.980 --> 01:08:21.980]  Remember, Eddie, when we were talking about that?
[01:08:21.980 --> 01:08:23.980]  Yeah, I remember you talking about it.
[01:08:23.980 --> 01:08:25.980]  Let me see if I can actually find it.
[01:08:25.980 --> 01:08:27.980]  You say you remember it being in the government code?
[01:08:27.980 --> 01:08:34.980]  Yeah, it was in the government code concerning courts of record, municipal courts of record.
[01:08:34.980 --> 01:08:43.980]  And it specifically said that the magistrate, that the judges had to be elected.
[01:08:43.980 --> 01:08:50.980]  So we're going to get in court and this could get interesting because I have no doubt this attorney is not going to read the pleadings.
[01:08:50.980 --> 01:08:53.980]  I mean, the judge is not going to read the pleadings.
[01:08:53.980 --> 01:09:02.980]  He's going to ask me like he did the last time I was in as someone else to paraphrase what's in the motion.
[01:09:02.980 --> 01:09:05.980]  And I'm going to say absolutely not.
[01:09:05.980 --> 01:09:10.980]  I didn't write that whole motion so you could paraphrase it.
[01:09:10.980 --> 01:09:13.980]  I want you to address every issue in the motion.
[01:09:13.980 --> 01:09:19.980]  And if you're incapable of doing that, get on off that bench and get me a real judge up there.
[01:09:19.980 --> 01:09:22.980]  So it's going to be interesting.
[01:09:22.980 --> 01:09:23.980]  Okay.
[01:09:23.980 --> 01:09:30.980]  Well, it appears for the municipal court judge Lubbock and El Paso that is where they're elected.
[01:09:30.980 --> 01:09:33.980]  No, it was in the code.
[01:09:33.980 --> 01:09:35.980]  Yeah, I'm actually looking through the code right now.
[01:09:35.980 --> 01:09:38.980]  That's what I'm looking at.
[01:09:38.980 --> 01:09:47.980]  You've got special appellate judge and the court reporter.
[01:09:47.980 --> 01:09:50.980]  Farmers branch, he has to be elected.
[01:09:50.980 --> 01:09:52.980]  Laredo, he has to be elected.
[01:09:52.980 --> 01:09:56.980]  Bedford, he has to be elected.
[01:09:56.980 --> 01:10:00.980]  And that appears to be the only ones dealing with it in that specific section.
[01:10:00.980 --> 01:10:03.980]  Let me see if there are more.
[01:10:03.980 --> 01:10:05.980]  Yeah.
[01:10:05.980 --> 01:10:13.980]  So we're looking forward to getting into court with this one because frankly I don't care what they do.
[01:10:13.980 --> 01:10:18.980]  They can find me guilty, which they're going to do no matter what.
[01:10:18.980 --> 01:10:30.980]  I can either pay double the amount of the fines to appeal, or I can just sue them in the district court.
[01:10:30.980 --> 01:10:39.980]  Be cheaper to sue them and move for a restraining order to restrain them from collection until the suit's adjudicated.
[01:10:39.980 --> 01:10:45.980]  So I'm trying to decide which one would be more interesting.
[01:10:45.980 --> 01:10:49.980]  And I'm definitely leaning toward a suit in the district court.
[01:10:49.980 --> 01:10:56.980]  Well, the one thing that we want to point out when we go to Austin and bring these issues up before the legislature is this,
[01:10:56.980 --> 01:11:03.980]  is that this is the only case in which you have to pay double in order to even get an appeal.
[01:11:03.980 --> 01:11:08.980]  No one else is required to post a bond for the purpose of an appeal for a criminal offense.
[01:11:08.980 --> 01:11:12.980]  Only Class C misdemeanors are required to do that.
[01:11:12.980 --> 01:11:18.980]  That is an unlawful and unconstitutional segregation.
[01:11:18.980 --> 01:11:28.980]  And through that same funnel, they strip away all Class C rights under the respective bill of rights
[01:11:28.980 --> 01:11:30.980]  and everything else to the right of due process.
[01:11:30.980 --> 01:11:32.980]  They deprive you of your right to counsel.
[01:11:32.980 --> 01:11:40.980]  They deprive you of a right to a jury of your peers because if I was getting a jury of my peers,
[01:11:40.980 --> 01:11:45.980]  it would be someone that's actually studied the law and knows what I'm talking about,
[01:11:45.980 --> 01:11:55.980]  not just some 80-year-old lady sitting out there that's never picked up a law or has no clue whatsoever and could care less one way or the other.
[01:11:55.980 --> 01:11:58.980]  She's had a license for 80 years, so I got to have one too.
[01:11:58.980 --> 01:11:59.980]  That's not law.
[01:11:59.980 --> 01:12:02.980]  That's personal prejudice.
[01:12:02.980 --> 01:12:05.980]  And that's the way it's working out in most of these cases.
[01:12:05.980 --> 01:12:10.980]  Now, on top of this, the legislature has also set us up as we pointed out.
[01:12:10.980 --> 01:12:15.980]  We are denied an examining trial when every other criminal case has one.
[01:12:15.980 --> 01:12:24.980]  We are denied an indictment when every other criminal case is required to have one.
[01:12:24.980 --> 01:12:34.980]  I mean, basically, they have tried to create a separate method of trying people for alleged criminal acts in order to strip away the rights
[01:12:34.980 --> 01:12:45.980]  and leave just the bare necessity of the appearance of process to make it appear as if a fair trial was given when, in fact, it never was.
[01:12:45.980 --> 01:12:55.980]  Well, from what I've seen of the courts I've been in, they don't even try to make it appear fair.
[01:12:55.980 --> 01:13:09.980]  They care less. They actually seem to want it not to appear fair so that people will be reluctant to go in there and attempt to adjudicate the rights
[01:13:09.980 --> 01:13:29.980]  because they're so aggressive and so disrespectful and make it a point to punish you if you do anything to try to protect your rights that they make it a threat to you to go to these courts.
[01:13:29.980 --> 01:13:38.980]  Right. But the reason they're able to get away with that is because of the way the legislature has set them up and allowed them to run rampant outside the rule of law.
[01:13:38.980 --> 01:13:53.980]  Now, this is one thing dealing with the legislature that I am absolutely incapable of wrapping my head around because it's a gross act of utter stupidity and that's just alien to me.
[01:13:53.980 --> 01:13:56.980]  I have a real aversion to stupid people.
[01:13:56.980 --> 01:14:05.980]  But for a legislator to sit there and say, we can't tell you what the law means, that's the court's job.
[01:14:05.980 --> 01:14:12.980]  Well, excuse me, but as the legislator, you are required to write the law, isn't that correct?
[01:14:12.980 --> 01:14:18.980]  How do you write a law when you admittedly have no clue what it says?
[01:14:18.980 --> 01:14:19.980]  How did you do that?
[01:14:19.980 --> 01:14:29.980]  How did you create a comprehensive sentence when you had no clue what you wanted it to mean when you wrote it or what it was intended to apply to?
[01:14:29.980 --> 01:14:33.980]  How can the legislature say we don't interpret the law?
[01:14:33.980 --> 01:14:43.980]  You are the first level of interpretation of the law because you have to write it where it is understandable to those to whom it's to affect.
[01:14:43.980 --> 01:14:53.980]  And when you fail to do that or you shun the duty and responsibility of doing that, then you're not doing your job as a legislator.
[01:14:53.980 --> 01:14:58.980]  You're somebody else's puppet, but you are not a public servant.
[01:14:58.980 --> 01:15:10.980]  Well, I would like to think that that would embarrass them and shame them, but from the ones I've seen, they would take pride in being.
[01:15:10.980 --> 01:15:18.980]  Yeah, they revel in it. They revel in being ignorant. And I just I have a real problem with that.
[01:15:18.980 --> 01:15:28.980]  Well, they seem to have this idea that they owe no duty to us.
[01:15:28.980 --> 01:15:39.980]  And this may this November election may be the one where the people demonstrate to the politicians that they do owe a duty.
[01:15:39.980 --> 01:15:46.980]  And I'm hoping we can flush Washington from one end to the other.
[01:15:46.980 --> 01:15:57.980]  We're certainly working on it, and it appears as though the stars are aligning themselves to help us get rid of a lot of these.
[01:15:57.980 --> 01:16:01.980]  I can't talk to a lot of these folks.
[01:16:01.980 --> 01:16:05.980]  Sometimes I have to watch my tongue. This is not one of my favorite subjects.
[01:16:05.980 --> 01:16:08.980]  The more I talk about politicians, the more frustrated I get.
[01:16:08.980 --> 01:16:16.980]  But I'm hoping in this election that we can eliminate a whole lot of them. And we plan on having someone to talk about the paper ballots.
[01:16:16.980 --> 01:16:24.980]  And I'm hoping that we can get some something done about that so that they can't steal all of them from us the way they have been.
[01:16:24.980 --> 01:16:29.980]  Karen Rinnick is going to be on the show coming this coming Thursday.
[01:16:29.980 --> 01:16:40.980]  Well, do you think these D.C. politicos would get the message if we flew over D.C. and dumped 5,000 pounds of ex lax out of the back of an airplane?
[01:16:40.980 --> 01:16:44.980]  They would think it was chocolate.
[01:16:44.980 --> 01:17:01.980]  Okay, folks, listen, we're going to break. Please call in 512-646-1984. We will be right back.
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[01:18:19.980 --> 01:18:25.980]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:18:25.980 --> 01:18:30.980]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plan.
[01:18:30.980 --> 01:18:35.980]  You put the fear in my pocket, took the money from my hand.
[01:18:35.980 --> 01:18:40.980]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:18:40.980 --> 01:18:44.980]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plan.
[01:18:44.980 --> 01:18:48.980]  You put the fear in my pocket, took the money from my hand.
[01:18:48.980 --> 01:18:52.980]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plan.
[01:18:52.980 --> 01:18:56.980]  You put the fear in my pocket, took the money from my hand.
[01:18:56.980 --> 01:19:00.980]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plan.
[01:19:00.980 --> 01:19:05.980]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:19:05.980 --> 01:19:14.980]  So, friends, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984 to discuss what's on your mind.
[01:19:14.980 --> 01:19:20.980]  In the meantime, Randy, why don't you give us an update on what's going on in the mortgage fraud industry?
[01:19:20.980 --> 01:19:26.980]  Well, a lot is going on. We're getting some really good decisions out of California.
[01:19:26.980 --> 01:19:32.980]  On the primary issue we're bringing before the court, and that's the one of standing.
[01:19:32.980 --> 01:19:39.980]  I was in an unlawful detainer hearing yesterday, and this is a hearing for eviction.
[01:19:39.980 --> 01:19:42.980]  They're trying to get an eviction order.
[01:19:42.980 --> 01:19:50.980]  And the defendants brought up the fact that the other side didn't have standing.
[01:19:50.980 --> 01:20:03.980]  I was sitting behind them, and when they started telling the judge that these guys didn't have the title properly assigned to them,
[01:20:03.980 --> 01:20:10.980]  that it wasn't filed in the records of the clerk of the court, and there's a number of other issues concerning it,
[01:20:10.980 --> 01:20:16.980]  the back of this other attorney's neck began to glow.
[01:20:16.980 --> 01:20:26.980]  I thought the guy was going to blow a gasket, and the judge put the decision off until next week.
[01:20:26.980 --> 01:20:36.980]  And then I was out in the hall with Lenay, and this attorney walked by, and she asked him if he had a business card.
[01:20:36.980 --> 01:20:44.980]  And he said no and just kept walking. Well, he got about 20 feet away, and she said, sure he doesn't.
[01:20:44.980 --> 01:20:50.980]  And this guy spun around and come charging back at us, raising his voice toward her.
[01:20:50.980 --> 01:20:56.980]  And I jumped up and got between him. I jumped up and stepped away from her so he couldn't get close,
[01:20:56.980 --> 01:21:00.980]  and held out both arms so he couldn't get past and stopped it.
[01:21:00.980 --> 01:21:04.980]  And he's telling me, don't you get close to me. I'm telling him, you get out of here.
[01:21:04.980 --> 01:21:09.980]  And he's still trying to argue with her. And I'm telling him, beat it, get lost.
[01:21:09.980 --> 01:21:17.980]  Finally, I called for security, and then he left. This was the attorney on the other side.
[01:21:17.980 --> 01:21:23.980]  He's not allowed to speak to the client, the opposing client.
[01:21:23.980 --> 01:21:34.980]  I was going to say, that's very unusual. The opposing attorney is trying to physically assault the opposing client?
[01:21:34.980 --> 01:21:43.980]  He was a big guy, and the way he was charging at her, man, I bailed up in between him. He concerned me.
[01:21:43.980 --> 01:21:47.980]  I mean, wait a minute. She wasn't pro se. She had an attorney, right?
[01:21:47.980 --> 01:21:48.980]  Yes, she had an attorney.
[01:21:48.980 --> 01:21:51.980]  So he's not supposed to be dealing with her at all.
[01:21:51.980 --> 01:21:52.980]  Right.
[01:21:52.980 --> 01:21:57.980]  Especially he's not supposed to be trying to assault her in the courthouse.
[01:21:57.980 --> 01:22:10.980]  This guy was really shaken when he came out of the court. Well, part of what he did was he sued in the name of the corporation.
[01:22:10.980 --> 01:22:21.980]  But the company wasn't a corporation. It was an LLC. And he testified in court under oath that it was an LLC.
[01:22:21.980 --> 01:22:29.980]  I'm sorry, that it was a corporation, and it wasn't. So that's sudden death.
[01:22:29.980 --> 01:22:35.980]  You absolutely can't come into court with the wrong identification.
[01:22:35.980 --> 01:22:39.980]  And he knew that was a big problem. It was probably going to get him fired.
[01:22:39.980 --> 01:22:49.980]  But I think he was also concerned that he represented in the court under oath that it was a corporation.
[01:22:49.980 --> 01:22:54.980]  Well, Randy, do you think it was just an honest mistake?
[01:22:54.980 --> 01:22:56.980]  I think it was a stupid mistake.
[01:22:56.980 --> 01:23:03.980]  I mean, let's see. Corporation, LLC. They don't really sound very much the same, do they?
[01:23:03.980 --> 01:23:06.980]  Limited liability company.
[01:23:06.980 --> 01:23:08.980]  Company, yes.
[01:23:08.980 --> 01:23:18.980]  And as I understand, in California, if you're an LLC, you must always state that you are an LLC.
[01:23:18.980 --> 01:23:23.980]  In all your documentation, it has to specifically state that you're an LLC.
[01:23:23.980 --> 01:23:26.980]  And here they come in calling themselves a corporation.
[01:23:26.980 --> 01:23:29.980]  And besides that, we had a lot of other things on standing.
[01:23:29.980 --> 01:23:35.980]  So I think he was really frustrated and angry that he got caught doing something stupid.
[01:23:35.980 --> 01:23:42.980]  And my biggest concern that he would do that because she was a woman.
[01:23:42.980 --> 01:23:48.980]  When I stepped up in front of him and stopped him, all of a sudden, you know, he, don't get close to me, don't get close to me.
[01:23:48.980 --> 01:23:56.980]  And I'm thinking, bigger guy as you are, you were really quick to try to get close to her.
[01:23:56.980 --> 01:24:03.980]  But when someone stands up in front of you that will dot your eye, all of a sudden, he's backing off like a sniveling coward.
[01:24:03.980 --> 01:24:07.980]  That's the kind of guy that beats his wife.
[01:24:07.980 --> 01:24:12.980]  That's what I was thinking when I was looking at him. That's exactly the kind of guy he was.
[01:24:12.980 --> 01:24:17.980]  This is a guy that pushes around somebody that he thinks is easy to push around.
[01:24:17.980 --> 01:24:19.980]  He'd come out of the, I was sitting out in the hall.
[01:24:19.980 --> 01:24:23.980]  He'd come out of the courtroom later and just apologized all over the place.
[01:24:23.980 --> 01:24:28.980]  And oh, you forgive me, don't you? Oh, you forgive me. Oh, yeah, I forgive you.
[01:24:28.980 --> 01:24:34.980]  But I don't think the bar, I didn't say this to him, but I don't think the bar is going to forgive you when I get done with them.
[01:24:34.980 --> 01:24:36.980]  With all the bar agreements, does he mean?
[01:24:36.980 --> 01:24:41.980]  Oh, this could get him, this is the kind of thing, get him disbarred.
[01:24:41.980 --> 01:24:50.980]  When an attorney comes out and attacks the litigant on the other side, holy moly.
[01:24:50.980 --> 01:24:54.980]  This is the kind of bar grievance that the bar may actually pay attention to.
[01:24:54.980 --> 01:25:03.980]  Oh, absolutely. Attorneys can't go beating up the clients on the other, the litigants on the other side.
[01:25:03.980 --> 01:25:07.980]  But that's how upset he was.
[01:25:07.980 --> 01:25:08.980]  So I took that as a good sign.
[01:25:08.980 --> 01:25:17.980]  And we've got a couple of really good rulings, one out of Sacramento and one out of San Diego,
[01:25:17.980 --> 01:25:28.980]  saying you can't bring in the original wedding signature document, you can't show standing.
[01:25:28.980 --> 01:25:34.980]  And right now we're up to, I think, 12 no answer defaults.
[01:25:34.980 --> 01:25:40.980]  One of the hearings today, the guy went in for an unlawful detainer on a no answer default.
[01:25:40.980 --> 01:25:43.980]  So we're getting a bunch of them.
[01:25:43.980 --> 01:25:46.980]  It looks like we've got some callers.
[01:25:46.980 --> 01:25:57.980]  Okay, yes, we are going first to Mike in Texas with a potentially first blush issue type of traffic case.
[01:25:57.980 --> 01:25:59.980]  Mike, thanks for calling in.
[01:25:59.980 --> 01:26:02.980]  So what is the update on your case?
[01:26:02.980 --> 01:26:05.980]  Hi, Deb and everybody.
[01:26:05.980 --> 01:26:12.980]  Okay, we were going to go, my next step was going to court of criminal appeals.
[01:26:12.980 --> 01:26:17.980]  And I've been reading through rules of appellate procedure on how to do that.
[01:26:17.980 --> 01:26:29.980]  And instead of exactly filing for writ of certiorari, it's a petition for review.
[01:26:29.980 --> 01:26:42.980]  And so I just filed to extend time because you've got 30 days and I have been so busy I haven't had a chance to get that done.
[01:26:42.980 --> 01:26:47.980]  So I got, today was the deadline, and so I got that in yesterday.
[01:26:47.980 --> 01:26:51.980]  And they seemed to think that all of that was in order.
[01:26:51.980 --> 01:27:03.980]  And so I've had another 30 days to put together a petition for review, which is sort of like an appellate brief but not quite.
[01:27:03.980 --> 01:27:15.980]  And I had some help in doing my appellate brief because Fifth Court of Appeals has an outstanding website.
[01:27:15.980 --> 01:27:21.980]  And all the cases and all the briefs and opinions and everything are online.
[01:27:21.980 --> 01:27:24.980]  And you can download all of that stuff.
[01:27:24.980 --> 01:27:35.980]  So I was able to find a decent-looking brief and download that and use that as my guide whenever I was supposed to take it together.
[01:27:35.980 --> 01:27:42.980]  But I don't know what a petition for review really is supposed to look like.
[01:27:42.980 --> 01:27:55.980]  And the instructions or the guidelines or whatever you want to call it in the rules of appellate procedure are not that clear.
[01:27:55.980 --> 01:27:57.980]  They're about as clear as mud.
[01:27:57.980 --> 01:28:09.980]  And so what I'm wondering is if anybody has ever put one together or has a copy of one or something like that where I could get ahold of one for a guide
[01:28:09.980 --> 01:28:14.980]  because the Court of Criminal Appeals has nothing online.
[01:28:14.980 --> 01:28:17.980]  Do you have O'Connor's civil trials?
[01:28:17.980 --> 01:28:19.980]  No.
[01:28:19.980 --> 01:28:25.980]  Call around a few law firms and see if they've got any old O'Connor's laying around.
[01:28:25.980 --> 01:28:27.980]  See if they've got a civil trial laying around.
[01:28:27.980 --> 01:28:29.980]  Okay.
[01:28:29.980 --> 01:28:35.980]  Generally, the law firms replace all of their books every year they come out.
[01:28:35.980 --> 01:28:37.980]  I think they come out every two years.
[01:28:37.980 --> 01:28:40.980]  And if they've got old ones, they'd be glad to give them to you.
[01:28:40.980 --> 01:28:41.980]  Okay.
[01:28:41.980 --> 01:28:48.980]  Civil trials will show you just about every motion you can think of, how to write it, when to write it, how to defend against it,
[01:28:48.980 --> 01:28:56.980]  gives you case law and support of all the issues, all of the items in the motion that gives you case law and support.
[01:28:56.980 --> 01:28:57.980]  Right.
[01:28:57.980 --> 01:29:03.980]  If they have petition for review in there, that would make your life a whole lot easier.
[01:29:03.980 --> 01:29:04.980]  Yes, it would.
[01:29:04.980 --> 01:29:14.980]  Okay. Well, that's what I was looking for was, you know, where to find a cheat sheet, and that sounds perfect.
[01:29:14.980 --> 01:29:17.980]  That's exactly what it is, is a cheat sheet.
[01:29:17.980 --> 01:29:22.980]  So that's why it's so perfect for attorneys.
[01:29:22.980 --> 01:29:38.980]  Yeah. But anyway, what I was going to say, Eddie, I had sent you copies of the opinion, and I think my fellows raised and stuff like that.
[01:29:38.980 --> 01:29:41.980]  Did you ever get those?
[01:29:41.980 --> 01:29:42.980]  Okay, hold on.
[01:29:42.980 --> 01:29:44.980]  I'm not seeing any, but hang on just a second.
[01:29:44.980 --> 01:29:45.980]  We'll cover it on the other side.
[01:29:45.980 --> 01:29:47.980]  Yes, stay there, Mike.
[01:29:47.980 --> 01:29:48.980]  Stay there, Mike.
[01:29:48.980 --> 01:29:49.980]  I got it.
[01:29:49.980 --> 01:29:55.980]  All right, folks, we'll be right back with Mike from Texas and the rest of your calls.
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[01:31:18.980 --> 01:31:28.980]  The wicked come with temptations.
[01:31:28.980 --> 01:31:33.980]  They're trying to buy the whole place.
[01:31:33.980 --> 01:31:39.980]  They want to poison the nation.
[01:31:39.980 --> 01:31:45.980]  Because they're falling from grace.
[01:31:45.980 --> 01:31:52.980]  I will not drink that cup.
[01:31:52.980 --> 01:31:58.980]  I just can't act that way.
[01:31:58.980 --> 01:32:07.980]  They got this problem of dreaming I won't be the slave come what may.
[01:32:07.980 --> 01:32:15.980]  I just can't act that way.
[01:32:15.980 --> 01:32:22.980]  I just can't act that way.
[01:32:22.980 --> 01:32:30.980]  I just can't act that way.
[01:32:30.980 --> 01:32:38.980]  I just can't act that way.
[01:32:38.980 --> 01:32:46.980]  I just can't act that way.
[01:32:46.980 --> 01:32:55.980]  I just can't act that way.
[01:32:55.980 --> 01:33:00.980]  And we are speaking with Mike in Texas.
[01:33:00.980 --> 01:33:01.980]  Okay, Mike, please continue.
[01:33:01.980 --> 01:33:02.980]  Okay, that was it.
[01:33:02.980 --> 01:33:10.980]  I was just asking Eddie if he had gotten that email because I sent that to him.
[01:33:10.980 --> 01:33:20.980]  We talked a couple of weeks ago that he was curious about how the court of criminal appeals ruled the way they did and what was their basis.
[01:33:20.980 --> 01:33:25.980]  I just sent him the link to the opinion.
[01:33:25.980 --> 01:33:36.980]  Like I said, I don't recall seeing it, but if you would resend it and just let me know what I'm looking for as far as the email address it's coming from, I'll make sure that I look at it.
[01:33:36.980 --> 01:33:39.980]  But I don't recall seeing the link you're speaking of.
[01:33:39.980 --> 01:33:43.980]  Okay, I'll send it again then later tonight.
[01:33:43.980 --> 01:33:44.980]  Okay, thank you.
[01:33:44.980 --> 01:33:45.980]  All right, that's it.
[01:33:45.980 --> 01:33:46.980]  Thanks.
[01:33:46.980 --> 01:33:47.980]  All right, thanks, Mike.
[01:33:47.980 --> 01:33:50.980]  Okay, we are going now to Jeff in Maryland.
[01:33:50.980 --> 01:33:52.980]  Jeff, thanks for calling in.
[01:33:52.980 --> 01:33:54.980]  What is on your mind tonight?
[01:33:54.980 --> 01:33:56.980]  Good evening, Deborah.
[01:33:56.980 --> 01:34:02.980]  Randy, have you had occasion yet to read that quiet hand action out of California, I said to you?
[01:34:02.980 --> 01:34:04.980]  Absolutely not.
[01:34:04.980 --> 01:34:05.980]  Okay.
[01:34:05.980 --> 01:34:08.980]  I'm getting ready for a seminar in the morning.
[01:34:08.980 --> 01:34:09.980]  Okay.
[01:34:09.980 --> 01:34:18.980]  I haven't had 10 free minutes in the last week or two weeks or three, I'm losing track.
[01:34:18.980 --> 01:34:21.980]  How about the last three months?
[01:34:21.980 --> 01:34:22.980]  Something like that.
[01:34:22.980 --> 01:34:23.980]  Pardon me.
[01:34:23.980 --> 01:34:37.980]  Well, you probably know there was a quiet hand action filed in Tennessee about six months ago against MERS and half a dozen banks on behalf of the 95 counties of Tennessee.
[01:34:37.980 --> 01:34:50.980]  I just got a copy of a quiet hand action filed in California against MERS and half a dozen banks on behalf of the 25 counties in California.
[01:34:50.980 --> 01:34:55.980]  And it's under the False Claim Act of California.
[01:34:55.980 --> 01:35:05.980]  And what he's basically saying is that a good many of the documents that were filed into the land records were false documents on their face.
[01:35:05.980 --> 01:35:11.980]  Oh, so he wasn't just going for the failure to pay the fee.
[01:35:11.980 --> 01:35:12.980]  No.
[01:35:12.980 --> 01:35:14.980]  It's in there.
[01:35:14.980 --> 01:35:25.980]  But if I can, I'd like to read from paragraph 15, which is under general allegations, because I think you'll find this extremely significant.
[01:35:25.980 --> 01:35:28.980]  And it reads as follows.
[01:35:28.980 --> 01:35:32.980]  MERS is named in millions of recorded documents in the counties of the state.
[01:35:32.980 --> 01:35:34.980]  That's California.
[01:35:34.980 --> 01:35:47.980]  Defendants recorded or caused to be recorded deeds of trust slash mortgages and other documents which identified MERS as the beneficiary, which MERS is not.
[01:35:47.980 --> 01:35:55.980]  Or nominee of the lender and lender's successor and assigns, which MERS never was.
[01:35:55.980 --> 01:36:04.980]  And holding legal title when legal title rested with the trustee in this state, which uses a deed of trust to secure a mortgage.
[01:36:04.980 --> 01:36:22.980]  Thereby, the defendant's falsely named and appointed and characterized MERS in any of the aforementioned capacities and numerous documents recorded throughout the counties of the state over the last 10 years.
[01:36:22.980 --> 01:36:34.980]  Now, as I read that, that means that virtually every mortgage, every deed of trust, is a falsity on its face.
[01:36:34.980 --> 01:36:38.980]  To which MERS is in any way a party.
[01:36:38.980 --> 01:36:40.980]  Right.
[01:36:40.980 --> 01:36:43.980]  So when I hear that, I'm thinking-
[01:36:43.980 --> 01:36:46.980]  The mortgages are deed of trust, annulety.
[01:36:46.980 --> 01:36:51.980]  I'm thinking isn't it a felony to tamper with a government document?
[01:36:51.980 --> 01:36:55.980]  Yes.
[01:36:55.980 --> 01:37:17.980]  So, and this is one of the things I was looking at here, and I'm here in California now, and this is one of the issues I was looking at, is if these guys are filing false documents and trying to take someone's property based on these false documents, isn't that called conversion?
[01:37:17.980 --> 01:37:26.980]  Well, it's not only called conversion, but it's aggravated perjury also for swearing to facts that are untrue and knowingly untrue.
[01:37:26.980 --> 01:37:32.980]  And then filing that document with the court makes it a tamper of the government document.
[01:37:32.980 --> 01:37:39.980]  But these felony crimes go toward the furtherance, they are predicate acts.
[01:37:39.980 --> 01:37:40.980]  Yes.
[01:37:40.980 --> 01:37:44.980]  Toward the furtherance of an ongoing criminal conspiracy.
[01:37:44.980 --> 01:37:45.980]  Yes.
[01:37:45.980 --> 01:37:47.980]  To steal people's properties.
[01:37:47.980 --> 01:37:59.980]  And the problem these guys have is even if they stole the property and sold it, it leaves tracks and we can always go back and recover.
[01:37:59.980 --> 01:38:00.980]  Indeed.
[01:38:00.980 --> 01:38:01.980]  This is going to get interesting.
[01:38:01.980 --> 01:38:16.980]  It's going to be interesting to see what kind of evidence he can provide in support of this claim, but if he can, it would apply not only to the state of California, but as far as I'm concerned to every state in the union.
[01:38:16.980 --> 01:38:19.980]  I want to see his briefs.
[01:38:19.980 --> 01:38:24.980]  You have a copy of that in your Skype.
[01:38:24.980 --> 01:38:25.980]  Wonderful.
[01:38:25.980 --> 01:38:27.980]  Wonderful.
[01:38:27.980 --> 01:38:31.980]  If I can get caught up a little bit, I'm definitely going to want to look at that.
[01:38:31.980 --> 01:38:33.980]  Okay.
[01:38:33.980 --> 01:38:41.980]  And we recently experienced a TRO being thrown out as being deficient in what was actually in there.
[01:38:41.980 --> 01:38:49.980]  The claim that there was, the magistrate claimed that there was no statement of irreparable harm.
[01:38:49.980 --> 01:38:52.980]  There absolutely is a statement of irreparable harm.
[01:38:52.980 --> 01:38:53.980]  Right, so I wonder what it is.
[01:38:53.980 --> 01:38:55.980]  If it's one we wrote.
[01:38:55.980 --> 01:39:02.980]  Yeah, it is, and I'm wondering what the clerk took to the magistrate instead of the judge.
[01:39:02.980 --> 01:39:12.980]  Well, I'm wondering whether the magistrate got authority to make the ruling unless there was an agreement by both parties to allow a magistrate.
[01:39:12.980 --> 01:39:17.980]  That's also my query.
[01:39:17.980 --> 01:39:20.980]  So we may want to go after the magistrate.
[01:39:20.980 --> 01:39:22.980]  Right.
[01:39:22.980 --> 01:39:25.980]  We know they're going to rule against us as they return.
[01:39:25.980 --> 01:39:28.980]  We expect that.
[01:39:28.980 --> 01:39:32.980]  We may want to talk about this further another time.
[01:39:32.980 --> 01:39:35.980]  Okay, thank you for that information.
[01:39:35.980 --> 01:39:36.980]  Thank you, Jeff.
[01:39:36.980 --> 01:39:38.980]  And I appreciate the documents.
[01:39:38.980 --> 01:39:40.980]  You're welcome.
[01:39:40.980 --> 01:39:41.980]  Bye-bye.
[01:39:41.980 --> 01:39:42.980]  Okay, bye-bye.
[01:39:42.980 --> 01:39:48.980]  All right, we're going now to Dan in Connecticut.
[01:39:48.980 --> 01:39:50.980]  Dan, thank you for calling in.
[01:39:50.980 --> 01:39:52.980]  What is on your mind tonight?
[01:39:52.980 --> 01:39:53.980]  Oh, nothing much.
[01:39:53.980 --> 01:39:55.980]  Just we got some good news.
[01:39:55.980 --> 01:40:01.980]  Thankfully, I don't have to address this hypothetically for much longer.
[01:40:01.980 --> 01:40:02.980]  Now, wait, wait, wait.
[01:40:02.980 --> 01:40:05.980]  Is that for sure or is that just hypothetically?
[01:40:05.980 --> 01:40:08.980]  Oh, partially hypothetically.
[01:40:08.980 --> 01:40:12.980]  Here's what I can say.
[01:40:12.980 --> 01:40:20.980]  It turns out as some may have presupposed that the object of the, you know,
[01:40:20.980 --> 01:40:24.980]  what was going on in Connecticut on my end was in fact the Secretary of State.
[01:40:24.980 --> 01:40:25.980]  Wait a minute.
[01:40:25.980 --> 01:40:29.980]  You're talking about the object of the hypothetical thing that was going on.
[01:40:29.980 --> 01:40:30.980]  Yeah, the hypothetical thing.
[01:40:30.980 --> 01:40:31.980]  Okay.
[01:40:31.980 --> 01:40:35.980]  But I can tell you the real things that have happened since I last talked to you guys.
[01:40:35.980 --> 01:40:42.980]  The Attorney General in Connecticut completed a report on a wholly unrelated matter,
[01:40:42.980 --> 01:40:46.980]  and it turns out a lot of people kind of had the same legal idea.
[01:40:46.980 --> 01:40:52.980]  And according to the news, this was also generated by, you know, somebody,
[01:40:52.980 --> 01:40:54.980]  but it was a separate person.
[01:40:54.980 --> 01:41:00.980]  It turns out the Secretary of State was compiling a list of voters,
[01:41:00.980 --> 01:41:06.980]  including their ethnicity, their, you know, political leanings,
[01:41:06.980 --> 01:41:09.980]  and a bunch of different personal information.
[01:41:09.980 --> 01:41:14.980]  And what the Secretary of State did with this list is she filed a FOIA request
[01:41:14.980 --> 01:41:17.980]  in her own campaign for Attorney General,
[01:41:17.980 --> 01:41:21.980]  and she used that list of public records to solicit donations.
[01:41:21.980 --> 01:41:25.980]  So basically the Attorney General didn't complete a report,
[01:41:25.980 --> 01:41:31.980]  and he actually referred it to a prosecutor.
[01:41:31.980 --> 01:41:36.980]  Do you mean were they from different parties?
[01:41:36.980 --> 01:41:41.980]  Actually, he's from the same party that she is.
[01:41:41.980 --> 01:41:43.980]  Interesting.
[01:41:43.980 --> 01:41:45.980]  That does sound unusual.
[01:41:45.980 --> 01:41:47.980]  Yeah, this is highly unusual.
[01:41:47.980 --> 01:41:53.980]  I mean, you know, of course the thing that I had addressed hypothetically had to do
[01:41:53.980 --> 01:41:57.980]  with a wholly unrelated matter,
[01:41:57.980 --> 01:42:00.980]  but apparently a whole bunch of people saw blood in the water,
[01:42:00.980 --> 01:42:04.980]  and they were sharks, so they figured let's go swim toward it.
[01:42:04.980 --> 01:42:11.980]  That's what I was thinking was with the anti-incumbent movement
[01:42:11.980 --> 01:42:13.980]  or mood in the country right now,
[01:42:13.980 --> 01:42:18.980]  we're looking at politicians turning into crabs in a bucket.
[01:42:18.980 --> 01:42:23.980]  Well, maybe he's just a dove in snakes' clothing.
[01:42:23.980 --> 01:42:29.980]  Well, I think maybe he's dragging others down to make him look better.
[01:42:29.980 --> 01:42:35.980]  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking it is, and I'm considering different ways of using that.
[01:42:35.980 --> 01:42:38.980]  Let's just leave it at that.
[01:42:38.980 --> 01:42:40.980]  So how's your campaign doing?
[01:42:40.980 --> 01:42:42.980]  Pretty good.
[01:42:42.980 --> 01:42:45.980]  I know the Republican primary has turned into a circus,
[01:42:45.980 --> 01:42:49.980]  and a lot of people are increasingly turned off to it.
[01:42:49.980 --> 01:42:51.980]  Speaking of my campaign,
[01:42:51.980 --> 01:42:58.980]  what I did just to make sure there was no retaliation on my end is I sent registered mail
[01:42:58.980 --> 01:43:03.980]  and I kept copies of these documents, 10 different petition pages,
[01:43:03.980 --> 01:43:07.980]  and they were mailed to the Secretary of State's office in there for 10 different towns.
[01:43:07.980 --> 01:43:10.980]  There's only one signature on each page.
[01:43:10.980 --> 01:43:13.980]  So each page that doesn't end up in the right town,
[01:43:13.980 --> 01:43:20.980]  that is one count of a violation of 9-355 Connecticut general statutes,
[01:43:20.980 --> 01:43:26.980]  entitled that statute as official fraud or neglect.
[01:43:26.980 --> 01:43:30.980]  So I've basically set them up for an additional opportunity to retaliate
[01:43:30.980 --> 01:43:36.980]  if they decided they wanted to go that far.
[01:43:36.980 --> 01:43:41.980]  I'm not sure I quite understood all of that.
[01:43:41.980 --> 01:43:43.980]  But when we come back, I want to examine that a little more,
[01:43:43.980 --> 01:43:46.980]  what the nature of the claims were
[01:43:46.980 --> 01:43:50.980]  and why you think they're going to retaliate and how.
[01:43:50.980 --> 01:43:52.980]  And why you're trying to get them to retaliate.
[01:43:52.980 --> 01:43:54.980]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
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[01:45:18.980 --> 01:45:41.980]  Alright folks, we are back.
[01:45:41.980 --> 01:45:43.980]  The rule of law.
[01:45:43.980 --> 01:45:48.980]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[01:45:48.980 --> 01:45:52.980]  And after Dan, we have wide open phone lines.
[01:45:52.980 --> 01:45:56.980]  So folks, if you would like to call in,
[01:45:56.980 --> 01:45:59.980]  we've got two more hours, little over two more hours
[01:45:59.980 --> 01:46:04.980]  in our Friday evening info marathon here on rule of law radio.
[01:46:04.980 --> 01:46:09.980]  So please call in 512-646-1984.
[01:46:09.980 --> 01:46:11.980]  Okay, Dan, please continue.
[01:46:11.980 --> 01:46:16.980]  Yeah, that's a very good question, why I would want them to retaliate.
[01:46:16.980 --> 01:46:20.980]  Basically what's been going on, as you guys are familiar with,
[01:46:20.980 --> 01:46:23.980]  there are a whole bunch of different election laws, you know,
[01:46:23.980 --> 01:46:25.980]  that they always violate on a routine basis.
[01:46:25.980 --> 01:46:32.980]  And this is very akin to the wide variety of different laws governing due process
[01:46:32.980 --> 01:46:35.980]  that, you know, police routinely violate.
[01:46:35.980 --> 01:46:41.980]  The good news about what's unfolding and what I can talk about
[01:46:41.980 --> 01:46:47.980]  and how I can describe it is that if they hit every particular branch on the way down,
[01:46:47.980 --> 01:46:50.980]  I've effectively flushed the whole thing out.
[01:46:50.980 --> 01:46:56.980]  And it's one thing I would assume to just, you know, be able to dodge one charge,
[01:46:56.980 --> 01:47:02.980]  but to demonstrate a very conclusive and detailed pattern as to,
[01:47:02.980 --> 01:47:08.980]  I guess you could describe it as a sociopathic pattern of behavior,
[01:47:08.980 --> 01:47:11.980]  is you could like nail that down once and for all
[01:47:11.980 --> 01:47:19.980]  and the next guy that would come along wouldn't get any bright ideas.
[01:47:19.980 --> 01:47:21.980]  You're talking about politicians.
[01:47:21.980 --> 01:47:23.980]  Oh, yeah, yeah, I am talking about politicians.
[01:47:23.980 --> 01:47:29.980]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, politicians and bright ideas, isn't that a contradiction of terms?
[01:47:29.980 --> 01:47:32.980]  Now, be careful, Dan is a politician.
[01:47:32.980 --> 01:47:39.980]  Well, let's also consider that when you actually ask a direct and pointed question to a politician,
[01:47:39.980 --> 01:47:42.980]  you see them immediately get lost in thought.
[01:47:42.980 --> 01:47:45.980]  That's because it's completely unfamiliar territory.
[01:47:45.980 --> 01:47:50.980]  Okay, that's for all politicians except for our beloved Dan from Connecticut.
[01:47:50.980 --> 01:47:51.980]  Yes.
[01:47:51.980 --> 01:47:54.980]  Well, Dan didn't desire to be a politician.
[01:47:54.980 --> 01:47:57.980]  He just decided it was the only thing he could do to help.
[01:47:57.980 --> 01:48:02.980]  In other words, if you want the job done right, you have to do it yourself.
[01:48:02.980 --> 01:48:06.980]  Unfortunately, that's pretty much what it goes to.
[01:48:06.980 --> 01:48:12.980]  You might say they kick this soap box up under your feet.
[01:48:12.980 --> 01:48:18.980]  I'll try, but the problem that I saw was,
[01:48:18.980 --> 01:48:25.980]  and I've been trying to demonstrate all of these problems throughout the whole course of this exercise.
[01:48:25.980 --> 01:48:31.980]  Some may call it tilting at windmills, but one of the things that I did do was I basically said,
[01:48:31.980 --> 01:48:36.980]  okay, alleged small government Republicans swear to what you promised under penalty of perjury,
[01:48:36.980 --> 01:48:41.980]  and none of them would do it.
[01:48:41.980 --> 01:48:45.980]  That was another thing out there, and it was another point that I'd made.
[01:48:45.980 --> 01:48:48.980]  I hope you've been waving that like a red flag.
[01:48:48.980 --> 01:48:52.980]  I have, and the Tea Party has been very responsive on it.
[01:48:52.980 --> 01:48:58.980]  They're smelling that something is definitely very wrong.
[01:48:58.980 --> 01:49:00.980]  You know, this is the time.
[01:49:00.980 --> 01:49:07.980]  If ever there was a shot at a Libertarian or a third party getting in, this is the election for it.
[01:49:07.980 --> 01:49:14.980]  This could be the election that opens up other parties to the process.
[01:49:14.980 --> 01:49:17.980]  I'm looking forward to this one.
[01:49:17.980 --> 01:49:22.980]  Yeah, and I guess the other thing I'd want to ask, you know,
[01:49:22.980 --> 01:49:28.980]  if you were coming up to Connecticut, if there was a possibility of setting up one of the mortgage seminars up here?
[01:49:28.980 --> 01:49:30.980]  Absolutely.
[01:49:30.980 --> 01:49:36.980]  If you get the venues, I'll do the advertising,
[01:49:36.980 --> 01:49:41.980]  and I planned on staying a few extra days to do one if we could get one together.
[01:49:41.980 --> 01:49:50.980]  Yeah, because I know my town that I live in, believe it or not, is the town in the second district in Connecticut
[01:49:50.980 --> 01:49:58.980]  that has the most foreclosures per capita, and I believe it's the state, if not the district only.
[01:49:58.980 --> 01:50:05.980]  We are getting a lot more tools to facilitate what we're doing.
[01:50:05.980 --> 01:50:09.980]  We're working out a procedure to bring attorneys on board.
[01:50:09.980 --> 01:50:18.980]  We're looking for attorneys in each state that we can use to put on retainer
[01:50:18.980 --> 01:50:22.980]  to make sure that our documents are correct within the state,
[01:50:22.980 --> 01:50:30.980]  and then we're setting up a program where we provide documentation to individuals,
[01:50:30.980 --> 01:50:35.980]  and we can also provide the documentation to attorneys.
[01:50:35.980 --> 01:50:42.980]  And because, for the most part, we have an attorney here who's suggesting that we start doing training programs for an attorney,
[01:50:42.980 --> 01:50:46.980]  because she's saying this is essentially a new field.
[01:50:46.980 --> 01:50:50.980]  I mean, it's been around a long time, but very limited.
[01:50:50.980 --> 01:50:55.980]  Here lately, it's really opened up, and most attorneys don't know how to deal with it.
[01:50:55.980 --> 01:51:00.980]  So we're looking to get together a training program for attorneys,
[01:51:00.980 --> 01:51:07.980]  and then we provide them with the documentation, the litigation engine we've been talking about for such a long time.
[01:51:07.980 --> 01:51:12.980]  It's actually coming together right now on the foreclosure issue,
[01:51:12.980 --> 01:51:19.980]  and the engine will be producing the documentation, and we can provide it to individuals or to attorneys.
[01:51:19.980 --> 01:51:26.980]  What we're finding is that there are occasions when people really need counsel.
[01:51:26.980 --> 01:51:32.980]  For instance, we've got 11 no-answer defaults,
[01:51:32.980 --> 01:51:37.980]  and no-answer defaults are so rare that the clerks don't know what to do with them.
[01:51:37.980 --> 01:51:45.980]  So this is a really big deal, and it was our intent to write the lawsuit so that it would be hard to answer,
[01:51:45.980 --> 01:51:49.980]  but it looks like that's what the outcome was, because they're not.
[01:51:49.980 --> 01:51:57.980]  And in that case, once you get no-answer defaults, you do not want to go in there pro se,
[01:51:57.980 --> 01:52:02.980]  because now you've got them over a barrel, you don't want to let them off of it.
[01:52:02.980 --> 01:52:10.980]  And then there are other situations where the guy's too late, his property is sold to a third party.
[01:52:10.980 --> 01:52:16.980]  You want as good a ruling in your favor as you can get,
[01:52:16.980 --> 01:52:21.980]  so you don't want to go in and risk the pro se bias.
[01:52:21.980 --> 01:52:28.980]  And that's where you need counsel to go in and represent those critical issues.
[01:52:28.980 --> 01:52:38.980]  And we're getting it set up so that we can get counsel to do this at not too outrageous a rate,
[01:52:38.980 --> 01:52:46.980]  because when we get close to a deal, we're going to want to bring the counsel in a lot of times to cinch the deal.
[01:52:46.980 --> 01:52:51.980]  And this will give these attorneys access to a lot of potential clients.
[01:52:51.980 --> 01:52:53.980]  They don't have to help one person.
[01:52:53.980 --> 01:52:58.980]  That person is going to bring them everybody they know, so it gives them good exposure,
[01:52:58.980 --> 01:53:03.980]  and it keeps us from having a problem with them coming after us.
[01:53:03.980 --> 01:53:10.980]  So we're getting a lot of things in place, and we're also finding other ways to go after them,
[01:53:10.980 --> 01:53:17.980]  a forensic audit of the security instrument.
[01:53:17.980 --> 01:53:23.980]  We want to go in and find every place that instrument's been, every hand it's been in,
[01:53:23.980 --> 01:53:33.980]  and that way we can come in and challenge standing of the people who are claiming to hold it.
[01:53:33.980 --> 01:53:41.980]  And then we're putting together a way to go after the lender,
[01:53:41.980 --> 01:53:45.980]  even after he's foreclosed and forced the person out.
[01:53:45.980 --> 01:53:50.980]  If there was fraud in the transaction, the fraud never goes away.
[01:53:50.980 --> 01:53:57.980]  So even if you've already been foreclosed on and the house is sold, you still got a good shot at them.
[01:53:57.980 --> 01:54:05.980]  And by the time we get to Connecticut, we will have a lot of these issues sorted out.
[01:54:05.980 --> 01:54:11.980]  Yeah, and speaking of Connecticut, I definitely have at least one person in mind that, you know,
[01:54:11.980 --> 01:54:14.980]  you will definitely be able to meet on the 21st.
[01:54:14.980 --> 01:54:23.980]  That would be very interested and, in fact, equipped to practice and litigate this.
[01:54:23.980 --> 01:54:30.980]  Yeah, if you've got some groups there, like legal reform groups,
[01:54:30.980 --> 01:54:34.980]  we have a number of them here in California that I'm presenting to.
[01:54:34.980 --> 01:54:39.980]  We're going to do a presentation tomorrow for a group here.
[01:54:39.980 --> 01:54:44.980]  And this has been a very fertile place.
[01:54:44.980 --> 01:54:52.980]  The Patriot community is a real good place to begin to get in contact with these people who are in trouble.
[01:54:52.980 --> 01:54:55.980]  And we can do a little advertising.
[01:54:55.980 --> 01:54:58.980]  I'd like to see it get cranked up on the East Coast.
[01:54:58.980 --> 01:55:04.980]  Yeah, I think there's a real good chance of doing that because, you know, word is through the grapevine.
[01:55:04.980 --> 01:55:07.980]  I want to leave it unmentioned until I talk to this particular person.
[01:55:07.980 --> 01:55:15.980]  But there was a person who basically took the simple strategy of show me the original note.
[01:55:15.980 --> 01:55:18.980]  And they couldn't do it, so he kept his house.
[01:55:18.980 --> 01:55:22.980]  And this was out in Connecticut.
[01:55:22.980 --> 01:55:27.980]  It's entirely pro se, from what I heard.
[01:55:27.980 --> 01:55:30.980]  It's unusual to do it entirely pro se.
[01:55:30.980 --> 01:55:36.980]  And I definitely want to talk to him because we've set this up for the individual.
[01:55:36.980 --> 01:55:43.980]  We've set up a product that the individual can take and get them into court
[01:55:43.980 --> 01:55:48.980]  without having to have $10,000 to give an attorney for a retainer.
[01:55:48.980 --> 01:55:50.980]  If they had $10,000, they'd pay the mortgage.
[01:55:50.980 --> 01:55:52.980]  It wouldn't be in this problem.
[01:55:52.980 --> 01:56:01.980]  So we've given them a way to get into court without having to have so much money on the front end
[01:56:01.980 --> 01:56:07.980]  and then get the foreclosure stopped and give them breathing room.
[01:56:07.980 --> 01:56:10.980]  And once you sue, you essentially stop paying.
[01:56:10.980 --> 01:56:17.980]  So it should free up their income so now they can afford the help they need to maybe save their house.
[01:56:17.980 --> 01:56:20.980]  And so far, it's working really well.
[01:56:20.980 --> 01:56:24.980]  Yeah, and like you were saying earlier, I mean, with this and, you know,
[01:56:24.980 --> 01:56:27.980]  with the stuff I was mentioning about our Secretary of State here,
[01:56:27.980 --> 01:56:32.980]  you know, it kind of seems like everything's really lining up.
[01:56:32.980 --> 01:56:41.980]  Yeah, for a few months now, it just appears as though the stars are aligning themselves.
[01:56:41.980 --> 01:56:48.980]  The pendulum of injustice seems to have swung out about as far as the system will stand.
[01:56:48.980 --> 01:56:54.980]  And now this sleeping giant's beginning to wake, and he is really unhappy.
[01:56:54.980 --> 01:57:03.980]  And it looks like this pendulum is going to start swinging back the other way, especially in the courts.
[01:57:03.980 --> 01:57:11.980]  This is what we've been saying that we expected the politicians to throw the lenders to the wolves,
[01:57:11.980 --> 01:57:16.980]  use them as cannon fodder to try to get themselves re-elected.
[01:57:16.980 --> 01:57:20.980]  And this seems to be exactly what they're doing.
[01:57:20.980 --> 01:57:31.980]  And as this depression, this real estate calamity deepens, the pressure is only going to increase.
[01:57:31.980 --> 01:57:36.980]  In spite of how big a scoundrel these judges may be,
[01:57:36.980 --> 01:57:41.980]  they have to get tired of throwing people out on the street
[01:57:41.980 --> 01:57:46.980]  and having people come in and beg them for their place they need to live
[01:57:46.980 --> 01:57:50.980]  and just throw them out on the street one after the other.
[01:57:50.980 --> 01:57:53.980]  It's got to get to him after a while.
[01:57:53.980 --> 01:58:00.980]  Here in California, down in San Diego, they have a judge who's a retired judge, and this is all he does.
[01:58:00.980 --> 01:58:06.980]  So he doesn't have to worry about being re-elected, and I think that's why they appoint someone like this.
[01:58:06.980 --> 01:58:13.980]  But we're going to start going after him and see if we can't get him re-retired.
[01:58:13.980 --> 01:58:22.980]  Maybe we'll get somebody in there that actually has a connection with the people that he's supposed to be serving.
[01:58:22.980 --> 01:58:24.980]  Dan, do you have any more comments?
[01:58:24.980 --> 01:58:29.980]  Yes, as a matter of fact, I have a few limited comments after the break, if you guys could indulge me on those.
[01:58:29.980 --> 01:58:31.980]  Okay, are they hypothetical?
[01:58:31.980 --> 01:58:33.980]  No, they are not hypothetical.
[01:58:33.980 --> 01:58:34.980]  Okay, thank God.
[01:58:34.980 --> 01:58:36.980]  Okay, then stay on the line, Dan.
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