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[00:04.600 --> 00:10.540]  Investigators have arrested a Pakistani army major linked to the prime suspect in the botched
[00:10.540 --> 00:12.240]  Times Square bombing.
[00:12.240 --> 00:18.040]  The major's involvement with suspect Faisal Shahzad remains unclear.
[00:18.040 --> 00:23.440]  Millions of Americans arrested for but not convicted of crimes could have their DNA forcibly
[00:23.440 --> 00:28.280]  extracted and added to a national database according to a bill approved by the House
[00:28.280 --> 00:30.800]  of Representatives Tuesday.
[00:30.800 --> 00:35.600]  Civil libertarians say DNA samples should be required only from people who have been
[00:35.600 --> 00:38.720]  convicted of crimes.
[00:38.720 --> 00:44.200]  Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul Friday called Barack Obama un-American for putting
[00:44.200 --> 00:46.520]  his boot heel on the throat of BP.
[00:46.520 --> 00:52.080]  Paul, a rising star of the Tea Party movement, also defended remarks he made about the Civil
[00:52.080 --> 00:55.480]  Rights Act, saying he's being trashed by Democrats.
[00:55.480 --> 01:01.320]  Paul came under fire after insinuating the Civil Rights legislation went too far by forcing
[01:01.320 --> 01:07.320]  private businesses to follow federal anti-discrimination laws.
[01:07.320 --> 01:11.920]  Dennis Blair announced Thursday he is stepping down as Director of National Intelligence.
[01:11.920 --> 01:18.120]  His 16-month tenure has been marked by infighting with the CIA and sharp criticism over the
[01:18.120 --> 01:22.520]  intelligence community's failure to prevent the botched Christmas Day bombing.
[01:22.520 --> 01:27.080]  Sources said Obama was having trouble finding a replacement for Blair because of questions
[01:27.080 --> 01:29.880]  about the Director of National Intelligence's role.
[01:29.880 --> 01:36.240]  The DNI serves as the head of the intelligence community but has limited control of the CIA.
[01:36.240 --> 01:41.160]  Officials say Blair locked horns with CIA Director Leon Panetta when he sought White
[01:41.160 --> 01:44.080]  House support to expand his authority.
[01:44.080 --> 01:49.960]  Current and former intelligence officials traced the tensions back to 2004 when legislation
[01:49.960 --> 01:55.520]  overhauling the intelligence system created the office of the DNI without clearly delineating
[01:55.520 --> 01:56.520]  its powers.
[01:56.520 --> 01:59.800]  Within the bureaucracy, Blair faced an uphill battle.
[01:59.800 --> 02:05.160]  Panetta, a former White House Chief of Staff, has extensive ties in the administration and
[02:05.160 --> 02:10.240]  Congress.
[02:10.240 --> 02:15.880]  The Senate Thursday approved a financial regulatory bill putting Congress on the brink of approving
[02:15.880 --> 02:21.040]  a broad expansion of government oversight of the complex banking system and financial
[02:21.040 --> 02:22.040]  markets.
[02:22.040 --> 02:28.200]  The legislation is intended to prevent a repeat of the 2008 crisis but also reshapes the role
[02:28.200 --> 02:33.920]  of numerous federal agencies and vastly empowers the Federal Reserve in an attempt to predict
[02:33.920 --> 02:36.680]  and contain future meltdowns.
[02:36.680 --> 02:42.760]  Democratic congressional leaders and the Obama administration must now work to combine the
[02:42.760 --> 02:47.040]  Senate measure with a version approved by the House in December.
[02:47.040 --> 02:52.360]  The bill seeks to curb abusive lending, particularly in the mortgage industry, and to ensure that
[02:52.360 --> 02:58.400]  troubled companies, no matter how big, can be liquidated at no cost to taxpayers.
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[04:23.920 --> 04:26.060]  Knock it down, that's gonna live, knock it down, me
[04:26.160 --> 04:28.860]  Bad boys, bad boys What you gonna do?
[04:28.960 --> 04:48.360]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[05:18.360 --> 05:22.360]  What you're gonna do is it's up for you
[05:42.360 --> 05:45.360]  Why did you have to ask someone new?
[05:45.360 --> 05:48.360]  Don't you know you're a human being?
[05:48.360 --> 05:51.360]  Born of a mother with a lover and a father
[05:51.360 --> 05:53.360]  Reflects us through the reflection
[05:53.360 --> 05:56.360]  This is the rule of law
[05:56.360 --> 05:59.360]  I know you want to let go
[05:59.360 --> 06:02.360]  We know sometimes
[06:02.360 --> 06:05.360]  You want to let go
[06:05.360 --> 06:08.360]  Bad boys and bad girls
[06:08.360 --> 06:10.360]  What you're gonna do when they come for you?
[06:10.360 --> 06:12.360]  Bad boys, bad boys
[06:12.360 --> 06:16.360]  Got some answers
[06:16.360 --> 06:18.360]  You're too bad
[06:18.360 --> 06:19.360]  We're too bad
[06:19.360 --> 06:21.360]  This is Deborah Stevens
[06:21.360 --> 06:24.360]  I'm here with Randy Kelton and Eddie Craig
[06:24.360 --> 06:27.360]  And wow, oh wow
[06:27.360 --> 06:31.360]  I have to say this is gonna be a tough act to follow
[06:31.360 --> 06:35.360]  Kay Beach, Axiom for Liberty
[06:35.360 --> 06:39.360]  And her new guest host, Maxim
[06:39.360 --> 06:45.360]  Just discussed an incredible scenario situation
[06:45.360 --> 06:47.360]  Concerning biometric data
[06:47.360 --> 06:51.360]  And what does the government have authority to do
[06:51.360 --> 06:54.360]  And privacy and liberty
[06:54.360 --> 06:56.360]  And all these sorts of things
[06:56.360 --> 07:01.360]  And they really touched on the subject that
[07:01.360 --> 07:05.360]  I think we were going to last night
[07:05.360 --> 07:12.360]  Concerning the question that you asked, Randy
[07:12.360 --> 07:13.360]  What's the deal?
[07:13.360 --> 07:17.360]  How much does it hurt?
[07:17.360 --> 07:20.360]  For the police or whatever law enforcement
[07:20.360 --> 07:26.360]  Government entity to inquire of your identity
[07:26.360 --> 07:28.360]  Either with or without probable cause
[07:28.360 --> 07:31.360]  Or arrest, detention, whatever
[07:31.360 --> 07:34.360]  And of course I have the standpoint that
[07:34.360 --> 07:36.360]  They're not allowed to ask anything
[07:36.360 --> 07:38.360]  Unless they have probable cause
[07:38.360 --> 07:41.360]  That I've committed some kind of crime
[07:41.360 --> 07:45.360]  But Kay really touched on it
[07:45.360 --> 07:51.360]  The difference between identity and anonymity
[07:51.360 --> 07:55.360]  And they had a special guest on
[07:55.360 --> 08:04.360]  That was discussing the situation regarding your
[08:04.360 --> 08:10.360]  Right to privacy and reasonable expectation of privacy
[08:10.360 --> 08:12.360]  And when you're in public
[08:12.360 --> 08:16.360]  Well of course you don't have a certain amount of
[08:16.360 --> 08:19.360]  Reasonable expectation of privacy
[08:19.360 --> 08:22.360]  But what's the difference between
[08:22.360 --> 08:25.360]  Reasonable expectation of privacy concerning
[08:25.360 --> 08:29.360]  Your anonymity and your identity
[08:29.360 --> 08:33.360]  And that's where the dividing line is
[08:33.360 --> 08:38.360]  Unless you're some kind of a superstar rock star
[08:38.360 --> 08:43.360]  Media personality or political personality
[08:43.360 --> 08:48.360]  Someone in the media where you're easily recognized
[08:48.360 --> 08:53.360]  By your voice or your image, your face
[08:53.360 --> 08:57.360]  Well you may not have a reasonable expectation
[08:57.360 --> 09:01.360]  Concerning anonymity
[09:01.360 --> 09:04.360]  But you would have a reasonable expectation of privacy
[09:04.360 --> 09:08.360]  But what about the average Joe Schmo
[09:08.360 --> 09:13.360]  Or Joe Lee Schmoette
[09:13.360 --> 09:16.360]  Does that human being
[09:16.360 --> 09:19.360]  Male or female have a reasonable expectation
[09:19.360 --> 09:21.360]  Concerning their anonymity
[09:21.360 --> 09:24.360]  And so I wanted to pose this question
[09:24.360 --> 09:27.360]  And open this topic of discussion
[09:27.360 --> 09:31.360]  Just to lead into discussion tonight
[09:31.360 --> 09:34.360]  Since that's what Kay was discussing
[09:34.360 --> 09:37.360]  And what we were discussing last night
[09:37.360 --> 09:40.360]  The difference between anonymity and identity
[09:40.360 --> 09:44.360]  And I believe that the average human
[09:44.360 --> 09:47.360]  Does have a reasonable expectation of anonymity
[09:47.360 --> 09:50.360]  And that the government does not have
[09:50.360 --> 09:54.360]  The authority to collect outrageous
[09:54.360 --> 09:59.360]  Immense biometric data on everyone
[09:59.360 --> 10:02.360]  To amass unbelievable databases
[10:02.360 --> 10:05.360]  To the point of they can pinpoint
[10:05.360 --> 10:08.360]  All of your identity and all of your
[10:08.360 --> 10:11.360]  Medical records and bank records and everything else
[10:11.360 --> 10:14.360]  With hand-held naked body scanners
[10:14.360 --> 10:17.360]  I'm sorry, I disagree with that
[10:17.360 --> 10:22.360]  I do not think the government has the authority to do that
[10:22.360 --> 10:25.360]  So anyway, that's my little rant for tonight
[10:25.360 --> 10:28.360]  So guys, I open your papers
[10:28.360 --> 10:31.360]  Your papers, Herr Doctor
[10:31.360 --> 10:34.360]  Well it's gotten to the point where it's not even papers anymore
[10:34.360 --> 10:37.360]  It's like you go out in public and it's like the hand-held
[10:37.360 --> 10:40.360]  Naked body scanners where they just identify everything
[10:40.360 --> 10:43.360]  On the spot and
[10:43.360 --> 10:46.360]  Randy, like what you've said before
[10:46.360 --> 10:49.360]  When you're in public you don't have this reasonable expectation of privacy
[10:49.360 --> 10:52.360]  People can take your pictures and stuff
[10:52.360 --> 10:55.360]  People, we the people, human beings
[10:55.360 --> 10:58.360]  Could take your picture
[10:58.360 --> 11:01.360]  But when it comes to the government
[11:01.360 --> 11:04.360]  Or employees, representatives of the government
[11:04.360 --> 11:07.360]  Paid by our tax dollars
[11:07.360 --> 11:10.360]  Or the banksters or whatever
[11:10.360 --> 11:13.360]  That's another story
[11:13.360 --> 11:16.360]  I personally did not authorize them to amass
[11:16.360 --> 11:19.360]  Such outrageous
[11:19.360 --> 11:22.360]  Biometric databases
[11:22.360 --> 11:25.360]  Of we the people
[11:25.360 --> 11:28.360]  But you know, if you or Eddie or whoever else
[11:28.360 --> 11:31.360]  Wanted to take a picture, well then that's a different story
[11:31.360 --> 11:34.360]  So am I making sense here? Do you guys understand what I'm saying?
[11:34.360 --> 11:37.360]  Yes
[11:37.360 --> 11:40.360]  There's a certain publicness to being in public
[11:40.360 --> 11:43.360]  But
[11:43.360 --> 11:46.360]  When I'm requested to identify myself
[11:46.360 --> 11:49.360]  The only way that can be done
[11:49.360 --> 11:52.360]  Is if I'm arrested first
[11:52.360 --> 11:55.360]  If my freedom of movement is arrested
[11:55.360 --> 11:58.360]  In any way
[11:58.360 --> 12:01.360]  And I don't like it
[12:01.360 --> 12:04.360]  I made the comment yesterday
[12:04.360 --> 12:07.360]  And I said that I hadn't sat down and thought about it
[12:07.360 --> 12:10.360]  Well I've sat down and thought about it
[12:10.360 --> 12:13.360]  Unless you have reason to believe
[12:13.360 --> 12:16.360]  That I'm about to shoot somebody
[12:16.360 --> 12:19.360]  Or that I have just shot somebody
[12:19.360 --> 12:22.360]  Or committed some other serious crime
[12:22.360 --> 12:25.360]  Don't bother me
[12:25.360 --> 12:28.360]  I have that right to anonymity
[12:28.360 --> 12:31.360]  I have the right to walk around in my own business
[12:31.360 --> 12:34.360]  And have my business left my business
[12:34.360 --> 12:37.360]  Not anybody else's business
[12:37.360 --> 12:40.360]  That's my story and I'm sticking to it
[12:40.360 --> 12:43.360]  And as you were talking I was thinking
[12:43.360 --> 12:46.360]  I really need to get some tin foil
[12:46.360 --> 12:49.360]  And wrap my credit cards in it
[12:49.360 --> 12:52.360]  Because they can read the cards
[12:52.360 --> 12:55.360]  From 15 feet away
[12:55.360 --> 12:58.360]  Well not just your credit cards
[12:58.360 --> 13:01.360]  Now it's a matter of you need to
[13:01.360 --> 13:04.360]  You know, line your wallet with it
[13:04.360 --> 13:07.360]  Because now they can read the magnetic strips
[13:07.360 --> 13:10.360]  And the money as well, they can tell just exactly how much money is on
[13:10.360 --> 13:13.360]  Any person walking through any of these things
[13:13.360 --> 13:16.360]  And I was thinking that would be interesting
[13:16.360 --> 13:19.360]  If I line my wallet with
[13:19.360 --> 13:22.360]  Tin foil
[13:22.360 --> 13:25.360]  So they can't read what's in it
[13:25.360 --> 13:28.360]  Are they likely
[13:28.360 --> 13:31.360]  To try to search my wallet?
[13:31.360 --> 13:34.360]  What are you hiding?
[13:34.360 --> 13:37.360]  Yeah, explain that one Bubba
[13:37.360 --> 13:40.360]  Yeah, I want to search it
[13:40.360 --> 13:43.360]  Because I can't read the barcodes
[13:43.360 --> 13:46.360]  On your credit card
[13:46.360 --> 13:49.360]  And know everything about you
[13:49.360 --> 13:52.360]  And I can't read and calculate exactly how much money
[13:52.360 --> 13:55.360]  You've got in your pocket
[13:55.360 --> 13:58.360]  Because I'm technologically capable
[13:58.360 --> 14:01.360]  Of doing something
[14:01.360 --> 14:04.360]  If you thwart that technology
[14:04.360 --> 14:07.360]  Does that become a reasonable probable cause
[14:07.360 --> 14:10.360]  To believe you're hiding something?
[14:10.360 --> 14:13.360]  I think it doesn't
[14:13.360 --> 14:16.360]  I don't think it matters if it does
[14:16.360 --> 14:19.360]  That's the question I was going to earlier
[14:19.360 --> 14:22.360]  Concerning the authority of the government
[14:22.360 --> 14:25.360]  To gather such data
[14:25.360 --> 14:28.360]  And amass such databases
[14:28.360 --> 14:31.360]  I don't
[14:31.360 --> 14:34.360]  I don't think
[14:34.360 --> 14:37.360]  Well, put it this way
[14:37.360 --> 14:40.360]  I would like to reframe the question
[14:40.360 --> 14:43.360]  I don't think it's such a matter of
[14:43.360 --> 14:46.360]  If you have a tin foil wrapped around your wallet
[14:46.360 --> 14:49.360]  Or if you don't have
[14:49.360 --> 14:52.360]  All your debit cards plastered
[14:52.360 --> 14:55.360]  And taped to the outside of your body
[14:55.360 --> 14:58.360]  Or how about this, if you
[14:58.360 --> 15:01.360]  Dare to actually wear clothes
[15:01.360 --> 15:04.360]  Does that mean you're hiding something?
[15:04.360 --> 15:07.360]  Give me a break
[15:07.360 --> 15:10.360]  That's a defensive posture
[15:10.360 --> 15:13.360]  And that's not the way to go
[15:13.360 --> 15:16.360]  The question is, what authority
[15:16.360 --> 15:19.360]  Does the government have
[15:19.360 --> 15:22.360]  To set up such technology
[15:22.360 --> 15:25.360]  To attempt
[15:25.360 --> 15:28.360]  And whether successfully or not
[15:28.360 --> 15:31.360]  Read information off of
[15:31.360 --> 15:34.360]  Pieces of plastic that happen
[15:34.360 --> 15:37.360]  To be in our
[15:37.360 --> 15:40.360]  Pockets or other bags
[15:40.360 --> 15:43.360]  That we're carrying
[15:43.360 --> 15:46.360]  I'm not even going to address the question of
[15:46.360 --> 15:49.360]  What have we got to hide
[15:49.360 --> 15:52.360]  I'm going to ask the question of
[15:52.360 --> 15:55.360]  Where did we give you the authority
[15:55.360 --> 15:58.360]  To even ask me or look at me
[15:58.360 --> 16:01.360]  Or scan me or make such databases
[16:01.360 --> 16:04.360]  And where are you getting the money for it?
[16:04.360 --> 16:07.360]  And if Congress
[16:07.360 --> 16:10.360]  Appropriated the funds for that
[16:10.360 --> 16:13.360]  They all need to be kicked out
[16:13.360 --> 16:16.360]  And if the central banks are just
[16:16.360 --> 16:19.360]  Fractionalizing and entering digits
[16:19.360 --> 16:22.360]  Then they need to be kicked out
[16:22.360 --> 16:25.360]  Okay, you see
[16:25.360 --> 16:28.360]  I don't like to see
[16:28.360 --> 16:31.360]  The transition of the questions
[16:31.360 --> 16:34.360]  And the discussion in the society to
[16:34.360 --> 16:37.360]  What have we got to hide
[16:37.360 --> 16:40.360]  It should be, what do we authorize you to do
[16:40.360 --> 16:43.360]  And I don't agree with this
[16:43.360 --> 16:46.360]  So let's do something about it
[16:46.360 --> 16:49.360]  Okay, that's where you guys come in
[16:49.360 --> 16:52.360]  You come up with the problem
[16:52.360 --> 16:55.360]  We've got to fix it
[16:55.360 --> 16:58.360]  That's right, I tell you the problem
[16:58.360 --> 17:01.360]  You fix it, that's right
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[18:17.360 --> 18:31.360]  The world is spinning like it's out of control
[18:31.360 --> 18:34.360]  On the edge of a hole inside a deep dark dome
[18:34.360 --> 18:39.360]  I'm always on the lookout for something to soothe my soul
[18:39.360 --> 18:46.360]  Now I sit back and I watch the ever-dead sun fall
[18:46.360 --> 18:53.360]  And I see justice is the door
[18:53.360 --> 19:00.360]  Yeah, justice is the door
[19:00.360 --> 19:03.360]  Sometimes we fell a little too far at sea
[19:03.360 --> 19:06.360]  And then we got to get back on course we won't leave
[19:06.360 --> 19:09.360]  We go under heavy visories
[19:09.360 --> 19:13.360]  From the man that came all the way from Galilee
[19:13.360 --> 19:16.360]  I'm searching for this even warm place to be
[19:16.360 --> 19:19.360]  Where I don't have to work so hard to be free
[19:19.360 --> 19:22.360]  Some guys are trying to rewrite history
[19:22.360 --> 19:26.360]  But they got caught, now them guys got the plea
[19:26.360 --> 19:32.360]  Looks like justice
[19:32.360 --> 19:38.360]  Looks like justice
[19:38.360 --> 20:05.360]  Yeah, yeah
[20:05.360 --> 20:08.360]  The only way we're going to get corruption to cease
[20:08.360 --> 20:11.360]  Is when we finally learn how to police the police
[20:11.360 --> 20:14.360]  The folks were trying to say that we were boiling the sea
[20:14.360 --> 20:18.360]  Next thing you know the whole place is a heart free
[20:18.360 --> 20:21.360]  Police our donors, return us from the belly of the beast
[20:21.360 --> 20:24.360]  The whole world got a brand new lease
[20:24.360 --> 20:30.360]  Looks like justice
[20:30.360 --> 20:35.360]  There's only justice
[20:35.360 --> 20:44.360]  There's only justice
[20:44.360 --> 21:00.360]  There's only justice
[21:00.360 --> 21:15.360]  There's only justice
[21:15.360 --> 21:18.360]  Alright, we are back
[21:18.360 --> 21:23.360]  Okay, dealing with the question of anonymity versus identity
[21:23.360 --> 21:27.360]  I agree with you Deborah that, you know, when they ask the question
[21:27.360 --> 21:30.360]  Who are you and what are you doing here
[21:30.360 --> 21:32.360]  The first question that should have come to mind is
[21:32.360 --> 21:35.360]  Do I have the authority to ask that question
[21:35.360 --> 21:38.360]  And what is my probable cause for doing so
[21:38.360 --> 21:41.360]  Because to them everything is a necessity
[21:41.360 --> 21:44.360]  We know that, they deem every question they have to ask
[21:44.360 --> 21:47.360]  And every place they have to intrude as being absolutely necessary
[21:47.360 --> 21:49.360]  Even when it's not
[21:49.360 --> 21:55.360]  It's just like when they execute an arrest on these traffic stops and everything
[21:55.360 --> 21:58.360]  There is no necessity involved in that
[21:58.360 --> 22:02.360]  It's just something they wish to do
[22:02.360 --> 22:11.360]  So the fact is my public servants don't have the right to demand anything from me
[22:11.360 --> 22:15.360]  The only thing that we give them the authority to do
[22:15.360 --> 22:18.360]  Is to protect the rights of all of the people
[22:18.360 --> 22:23.360]  Not just some of the people and especially not just themselves
[22:23.360 --> 22:26.360]  And that seems to be the mindset of most of them
[22:26.360 --> 22:29.360]  You know, you do what we tell you because we are the public servant
[22:29.360 --> 22:31.360]  And so that actually makes us the master
[22:31.360 --> 22:36.360]  Talk about flipping society and the constitution on its head
[22:36.360 --> 22:41.360]  These people need to understand that when they intrude in our lives
[22:41.360 --> 22:44.360]  They better have a very good reason
[22:44.360 --> 22:48.360]  Not just a suspicion, not just an I want to know
[22:48.360 --> 22:52.360]  Because they don't have that power, they don't have that authority
[22:52.360 --> 22:55.360]  They want it, they desire it, they act like they have it
[22:55.360 --> 22:58.360]  But we didn't give it to them
[22:58.360 --> 23:01.360]  So we need to make them understand that because it's not given to them
[23:01.360 --> 23:06.360]  To be used in that fashion, it's not theirs to exercise
[23:06.360 --> 23:10.360]  Along those lines, I actually called to make an appointment
[23:10.360 --> 23:17.360]  To speak directly with my state representative here today, Wayne Christian
[23:17.360 --> 23:20.360]  And I'm supposed to be getting in touch with his office next week
[23:20.360 --> 23:23.360]  To set up an actual date and time for this to occur
[23:23.360 --> 23:27.360]  And one of the things I'm going to be doing is I'm going to be addressing
[23:27.360 --> 23:30.360]  All of the disparities in the Code of Criminal Procedure
[23:30.360 --> 23:33.360]  Where the rights of the people are being violated by the courts
[23:33.360 --> 23:35.360]  And by the statutes themselves
[23:35.360 --> 23:41.360]  Because the statute either sets us up in certain cases
[23:41.360 --> 23:47.360]  Where the due process rights that we are to be afforded are voided out by the statute
[23:47.360 --> 23:54.360]  Or where the prosecutor and the justice or the magistrate in the court
[23:54.360 --> 23:57.360]  Wish to act like the law doesn't apply to them
[23:57.360 --> 24:01.360]  They can do whatever they want because it's not a court of record in most cases
[24:01.360 --> 24:06.360]  And so they can ignore filed motions, they can ignore the rules of procedure
[24:06.360 --> 24:10.360]  They can ignore the rights of the person accused and so on and so forth
[24:10.360 --> 24:13.360]  And just do whatever they like
[24:13.360 --> 24:16.360]  So these are issues that I'm going to be bringing up
[24:16.360 --> 24:20.360]  I'm going to be pointing out specific sections of the various codes
[24:20.360 --> 24:26.360]  That are in direct conflict with specific provisions of the state constitution
[24:26.360 --> 24:30.360]  I'm going to be bringing up specific conflicts of interest
[24:30.360 --> 24:34.360]  On the parts of certain public officials with the right of the individual
[24:34.360 --> 24:39.360]  To achieve a fair and impartial trial and so on and so forth
[24:39.360 --> 24:43.360]  So the question you pose and the place we have to go
[24:43.360 --> 24:46.360]  Pretty much stem from the same set of issues
[24:46.360 --> 24:51.360]  It's the public servant not wanting to do what they're supposed to be doing on behalf of the people
[24:51.360 --> 24:58.360]  And instead acting like everything that's done is to benefit government instead of the people
[24:58.360 --> 25:02.360]  So that's my thoughts on that particular subject
[25:02.360 --> 25:09.360]  And a plan of action that I've decided to put into motion and make this happen
[25:09.360 --> 25:13.360]  So you actually could have heard the lady that I talked to today
[25:13.360 --> 25:17.360]  I think I exasperated her beyond all belief because all I could get out of her was
[25:17.360 --> 25:21.360]  Mr. Craig, that's an awful lot of information in such a short phone call
[25:21.360 --> 25:28.360]  That's a lot of very powerful accusations to be making about things
[25:28.360 --> 25:32.360]  I'm going, well, unfortunately it is, but it's also true
[25:32.360 --> 25:35.360]  That's the problem
[25:35.360 --> 25:39.360]  When you can show where a statute enacted by your legislature
[25:39.360 --> 25:46.360]  Just by reading it upon its face says the Constitution doesn't matter because we're going to do it this way
[25:46.360 --> 25:51.360]  Yes, I for one consider that a big deal and a very big issue
[25:51.360 --> 25:57.360]  And I believe I have the right to address that issue and to make my public servant respond
[25:57.360 --> 26:05.360]  And tell me exactly why they thought violating the Constitution and their oath of office was a good idea
[26:05.360 --> 26:11.360]  And hopefully they will agree to allowing me to take this
[26:11.360 --> 26:18.360]  So that we can dissect it and figure out either what I did wrong or exactly where their head was
[26:18.360 --> 26:20.360]  So that they didn't have to listen to me
[26:20.360 --> 26:23.360]  But either way it's an effort
[26:23.360 --> 26:30.360]  It's something to do to try to put it to the forefront of their minds and in the public eye
[26:30.360 --> 26:37.360]  And should I successfully manage to get it brought before them and for them to act upon it
[26:37.360 --> 26:45.360]  Then the next step is to get them to put us before the committees in Austin
[26:45.360 --> 26:53.360]  So that we can testify before them as to exactly where the legislature is destroying our Constitution
[26:53.360 --> 26:55.360]  Both the state and the federal
[26:55.360 --> 27:06.360]  And what we the people not recommend, not suggest, but demand that they do to fix it
[27:06.360 --> 27:10.360]  And folks out there listening, that's where you all come in
[27:10.360 --> 27:16.360]  Your demand doesn't mean a thing if I'm doing it by myself
[27:16.360 --> 27:21.360]  Your demand doesn't mean a thing if you do it by yourself
[27:21.360 --> 27:29.360]  Now granted it should, but we all know that's not the way it's going to work
[27:29.360 --> 27:35.360]  So if we want this bus to roll, more than one of us is going to have to push it
[27:35.360 --> 27:41.360]  Because we know it's going to be pushed uphill all the way
[27:41.360 --> 27:48.360]  So we need your support, we need your help, and we need your voice
[27:48.360 --> 27:54.360]  I'm going to try to set up a website or something where we can collect signatures for petitions
[27:54.360 --> 27:58.360]  Regarding the subject matter that I'm going to try to get outlined
[27:58.360 --> 28:04.360]  Everyone out there knows I've written material for a traffic seminar and a book to go with that
[28:04.360 --> 28:07.360]  I am now in the process of while I'm trying to get all of that updated
[28:07.360 --> 28:13.360]  With whatever new changes they've tried to create in law this past session of the legislature and so on and so forth
[28:13.360 --> 28:20.360]  I am now trying to do a second one dealing with due process specifically here in Texas
[28:20.360 --> 28:28.360]  And all of the three dozen plus never before adjudicated issues that I've managed to dig out of these things
[28:28.360 --> 28:36.360]  That no one seems to think, you know, how could they have missed it is my question
[28:36.360 --> 28:45.360]  How can logic sound individuals miss the points I'm fixing to make in this book
[28:45.360 --> 28:53.360]  Stating, you know, when you say this and you say this, how can you not see that it violates this over here?
[28:53.360 --> 29:01.360]  It just does. If the Constitution says that, you know, this is how it is and you say, no, we'd rather do it that way
[29:01.360 --> 29:06.360]  How do you perceive that not being a violation of the Constitution, people?
[29:06.360 --> 29:14.360]  So I've got a book in the works on that regard as well and maybe just maybe we can add that to the traffic seminar
[29:14.360 --> 29:21.360]  Or do it as a separate seminar and what it's going to be based on is exactly what Randy and Deborah work on in general
[29:21.360 --> 29:27.360]  As well as specifically dealing with due process and our right and access to the courts
[29:27.360 --> 29:33.360]  And how we actually go in and make them honor it
[29:33.360 --> 29:42.360]  And hopefully it'll get enough interest and get people motivated to want to do something about what's going on
[29:42.360 --> 29:46.360]  Rather than just listen to us talk about it because we've got to get some feet on the ground
[29:46.360 --> 29:52.360]  So we'll feast and go to break. This is Eddie Craig, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio
[29:52.360 --> 29:54.360]  And we will be right back
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[31:01.360 --> 31:14.360]  Yeah, I got a warrant and I'm going to solve them, to the end, government them, prosecute them
[31:14.360 --> 31:19.360]  Okay, all set
[31:22.360 --> 31:25.360]  Alright folks, we are back
[31:25.360 --> 31:31.360]  Now, we are talking about exactly how we're going to accomplish our due process rights
[31:31.360 --> 31:36.360]  So what we'd like to do for a little bit is discuss some of these things that we've come across
[31:36.360 --> 31:43.360]  and how they affect us and why they're denial of due process, how they're violated by the Constitution
[31:43.360 --> 31:48.360]  and exactly what we would recommend to resolve the problem
[31:48.360 --> 31:56.360]  Because heaven knows it needs some resolution and we cannot count on these elected officials to actually listen to us
[31:56.360 --> 32:04.360]  and implement that resolution unless we are speaking so loudly that they go deaf by not listening
[32:04.360 --> 32:09.360]  So that being said, Randy, jump in
[32:09.360 --> 32:21.360]  You know, we talked about this earlier and it was my position that a public official is absolutely an elected official
[32:21.360 --> 32:32.360]  It's not going to do anything that has the appearance of being controversial unless one of two things exist
[32:32.360 --> 32:38.360]  Either a great benefit to himself or a great threat
[32:38.360 --> 32:49.360]  And I'm not into benefit, but I think if we put together some really good lawsuits on these traffic issues
[32:49.360 --> 32:53.360]  make them available on the web to everybody
[32:53.360 --> 33:02.360]  and get lawsuits coming at the city or at least the threat of lawsuits coming at the cities and counties from every direction
[33:02.360 --> 33:12.360]  We get to use the power of the internet to make this known to everyone and make the remedy available to everyone
[33:12.360 --> 33:19.360]  Now the legislator is looking at being in massive litigation
[33:19.360 --> 33:30.360]  so that this profit-making scheme all of a sudden becomes a drain on their economy instead of an addition to it
[33:30.360 --> 33:36.360]  And from that perspective we may actually get some purchase
[33:36.360 --> 33:44.360]  Yeah, and I would also like to see that we don't do it just in the area of where they're stealing money
[33:44.360 --> 33:50.360]  through the lie of the transportation code and the traffic citations and the licensing and all that other stuff
[33:50.360 --> 33:54.360]  Because it is a lie, everyone that's read the seminar material knows that
[33:54.360 --> 33:58.360]  Everybody that's been studying this for decades and fighting this issue knows that
[33:58.360 --> 34:06.360]  It is a lie, it's nothing but an unconstitutional tax upon the people
[34:06.360 --> 34:13.360]  I had this discussion coming back in from this conference in New York with a gentleman on my flight between New York and Philadelphia
[34:13.360 --> 34:20.360]  And it dealt specifically with where a public servant gets their authority and how we the people give it to them
[34:20.360 --> 34:29.360]  And how we either allow them to delegate some part of it to accomplish the job we give them or how we don't
[34:29.360 --> 34:39.360]  And we got to discussing all this and it became very clear to him that what he thought was supposed to happen was not happening
[34:39.360 --> 34:50.360]  We discussed issues for instance about whether or not that I could as an individual tell him that he had to pay me a tax on property that he owned
[34:50.360 --> 34:57.360]  Well he agreed that I didn't have that authority and then I said well how about if I had three friends on this airplane
[34:57.360 --> 35:03.360]  And we all got together and decided that we had the authority to charge you a tax, would you have to pay it to us then?
[35:03.360 --> 35:11.360]  And he'd look at me and go well no and I'd say well let's say that all the people on the airplane agree with me
[35:11.360 --> 35:18.360]  And say and vote that you need to pay a tax because you own property and that you have to pay it to me
[35:18.360 --> 35:25.360]  And he looked at me and he goes well I guess that would just depend on whether or not you're a legitimate taxing authority
[35:25.360 --> 35:34.360]  And I said that is exactly the point, how does one become a legitimate taxing authority?
[35:34.360 --> 35:36.360]  How is that accomplished?
[35:36.360 --> 35:43.360]  Now the gentleman agreed that I didn't have the power to tax him as an individual
[35:43.360 --> 35:49.360]  He agreed that I couldn't get together with several of my friends and tax him that way
[35:49.360 --> 35:56.360]  He even agreed that even if everybody on the plane got together and voted
[35:56.360 --> 36:04.360]  That I could collect a tax from him and make him pay it that he was not obligated to do so
[36:04.360 --> 36:16.360]  So why is that thought process devoid in the brains of all the public servants that we have?
[36:16.360 --> 36:26.360]  How do they figure that we gave them any power to be a legitimate taxing authority on what belongs to the people?
[36:26.360 --> 36:28.360]  We didn't do that
[36:28.360 --> 36:34.360]  And by the same token I went over the issue with him about well what can government regulate?
[36:34.360 --> 36:36.360]  What can government tax?
[36:36.360 --> 36:43.360]  If you realize that in the organization and scheme of things that the people are above the government not under it
[36:43.360 --> 36:52.360]  We're above it, we created it, it exists because we gave it power and authority and for no other reason whatsoever
[36:52.360 --> 36:59.360]  We gave it the power, therefore the servant cannot rule the master
[36:59.360 --> 37:02.360]  Okay, just can't work that way
[37:02.360 --> 37:05.360]  So what can the servant regulate?
[37:05.360 --> 37:10.360]  The things over which the master gives them specific authority
[37:10.360 --> 37:17.360]  And the master even when it's many does not have authority over any other master
[37:17.360 --> 37:24.360]  So we can't delegate authority to the servant to take hold of one of the other masters and say you got to do it that way
[37:24.360 --> 37:26.360]  We can't do it
[37:26.360 --> 37:33.360]  So the only thing that the servant can do is those things which the servant themselves creates
[37:33.360 --> 37:39.360]  Or the things over which we specifically delegate authority and nothing more
[37:39.360 --> 37:49.360]  I have no idea how these people got to the point where they think that somehow people are there to serve government
[37:49.360 --> 37:56.360]  And if Randy, Deborah, if either one of y'all have an answer to that question I would love to know what it is
[37:56.360 --> 37:58.360]  Because it escapes me entirely
[37:58.360 --> 38:00.360]  Maybe I'm the dumb one
[38:00.360 --> 38:04.360]  Well I think it's pretty clear how they got in that position
[38:04.360 --> 38:12.360]  The servant, the sovereign abdicated their authority to the servant
[38:12.360 --> 38:16.360]  Well, but that goes back to what I was talking about just a second ago
[38:16.360 --> 38:27.360]  How can some of the sovereigns abdicate the authority for all of the sovereigns and bind them to that abdication?
[38:27.360 --> 38:29.360]  That also goes back
[38:29.360 --> 38:31.360]  Let me be clear what you're talking about
[38:31.360 --> 38:38.360]  The legislature passing legislation that the sovereign didn't authorize the legislature to pass?
[38:38.360 --> 38:45.360]  Well no, I'm talking about out of the legislature everyone else in Texas is a sovereign citizen
[38:45.360 --> 38:53.360]  Now it doesn't matter whether it's 20%, 30%, 50%, or 80% of those sovereign citizens
[38:53.360 --> 39:04.360]  None of them individually or collectively have the power and authority to bind me as a sovereign to anything they want to do
[39:04.360 --> 39:06.360]  As a collective or as an individual
[39:06.360 --> 39:08.360]  I'm not bound to what they want
[39:08.360 --> 39:14.360]  Their group rule or their individual rule does not apply to me
[39:14.360 --> 39:20.360]  So they can make all the determination they want about what they would like for their particular public servant to do
[39:20.360 --> 39:33.360]  But that public servant still cannot be authorized by them in any capacity to create anything that binds me to their wishes
[39:33.360 --> 39:37.360]  Now that goes above and beyond the legislature just creating anything it wants to
[39:37.360 --> 39:43.360]  And acting like it can be binding upon everybody when in fact we know it cannot
[39:43.360 --> 39:54.360]  So it's your position that no law can be written by the legislature that affects the sovereign?
[39:54.360 --> 40:00.360]  That regulates the sovereign
[40:00.360 --> 40:09.360]  The legislature does not write the law that allows one sovereign to hold another accountable
[40:09.360 --> 40:14.360]  That law pre-exists the legislature
[40:14.360 --> 40:20.360]  That law is where? Well it starts in the Bible, Ten Commandments for One
[40:20.360 --> 40:22.360]  The common law being another
[40:22.360 --> 40:27.360]  Our constitution very clearly restricts that part
[40:27.360 --> 40:29.360]  That's not in the constitution
[40:29.360 --> 40:31.360]  What's that?
[40:31.360 --> 40:33.360]  The law of the Bible
[40:33.360 --> 40:35.360]  Sure it is
[40:35.360 --> 40:38.360]  What about the law of the Koran?
[40:38.360 --> 40:40.360]  What about it?
[40:40.360 --> 40:42.360]  How does the Bible take precedent?
[40:42.360 --> 40:51.360]  Because the men that said under God and so on and so forth in the constitution were Christian men talking about the God as we know it in the Christian society
[40:51.360 --> 40:57.360]  That's not simple fact, that's simple conclusion
[40:57.360 --> 41:07.360]  Where did the Bible get authority over the sovereign that the sovereign didn't give it?
[41:07.360 --> 41:14.360]  Because God created the sovereign as we know him in man
[41:14.360 --> 41:25.360]  Eddie, are you asking the question of what gives one man authority to write laws over another man?
[41:25.360 --> 41:30.360]  Well I'm not really asking it as a question, I'm stating it as a fact that no they don't
[41:30.360 --> 41:32.360]  What I'm saying is that
[41:32.360 --> 41:33.360]  I would agree with that
[41:33.360 --> 41:39.360]  We have the authority to hold someone accountable for an injury to us
[41:39.360 --> 41:48.360]  Or anything that causes us harm or damages our property or causes us a loss
[41:48.360 --> 41:54.360]  Or intrudes upon us as an individual within their own right
[41:54.360 --> 42:04.360]  That's when the power of government can act because that is the entire reason people created government
[42:04.360 --> 42:13.360]  Is to protect each of the sovereigns from intrusions upon their rights by one or more other sovereigns
[42:13.360 --> 42:24.360]  But nowhere at any time did we delegate authority to the legislature or congress to regulate us as human beings
[42:24.360 --> 42:27.360]  As the sovereign people, we didn't
[42:27.360 --> 42:33.360]  We gave them the power to regulate legal entities, corporations
[42:33.360 --> 42:41.360]  Things that the government creates through their own law that don't exist under God's law
[42:41.360 --> 42:44.360]  God didn't create corporations, a man did
[42:44.360 --> 42:55.360]  Okay, so if one person murders another person, not your business
[42:55.360 --> 42:59.360]  The only one who would have the right to complain was the murdered person
[42:59.360 --> 43:03.360]  But you know they got a little problem with complaining
[43:03.360 --> 43:08.360]  You haven't been harmed, so why is that a problem?
[43:08.360 --> 43:12.360]  It's a problem because punishment is required in such a case
[43:12.360 --> 43:14.360]  Justice has to be served
[43:14.360 --> 43:16.360]  Why, where, how?
[43:16.360 --> 43:19.360]  Simple common sense
[43:19.360 --> 43:22.360]  We're not talking about common sense, we're talking about law
[43:22.360 --> 43:26.360]  Are you saying law allows murder to occur?
[43:26.360 --> 43:27.360]  No
[43:27.360 --> 43:30.360]  That's because law exists and murder is allowed to happen?
[43:30.360 --> 43:35.360]  I'm saying your position absolutely does that
[43:35.360 --> 43:39.360]  No it doesn't, because man did not create the law against murder
[43:39.360 --> 43:43.360]  Man didn't create that, God did, thou shalt not murder
[43:43.360 --> 43:47.360]  Separation, church and state, either there's a separation or there's not
[43:47.360 --> 43:51.360]  I'll deal with separation of church and state when we get back
[43:51.360 --> 43:54.360]  That's a complete misnomer the way it's being used
[43:54.360 --> 44:06.360]  But anyway, we're about to go to break
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[45:25.360 --> 45:30.360]  Always I must be careful what I'm wishing for
[45:30.360 --> 45:35.360]  When I'm hungry I like to know just what I'm fishing for
[45:35.360 --> 45:40.360]  I ain't asking for much, I ain't shining for much
[45:40.360 --> 45:45.360]  We're having the discussion here over what law acquires at what time
[45:45.360 --> 45:50.360]  And Randy was making the comment regarding murder and so on and so forth
[45:50.360 --> 45:54.360]  And how we got to Bible law and so on and so forth
[45:54.360 --> 45:59.360]  And the last comment made was dealing with separation of church and state
[45:59.360 --> 46:05.360]  Well, there is no declaration in the Constitution for separation of church and state
[46:05.360 --> 46:11.360]  What there is is a declaration that Congress may not pass any law
[46:11.360 --> 46:16.360]  Regarding the establishment or the practice of religion
[46:16.360 --> 46:18.360]  That is all there is
[46:18.360 --> 46:23.360]  So why are you trying to inject religion into law?
[46:23.360 --> 46:28.360]  Because religion is what the morality of man is based upon
[46:28.360 --> 46:32.360]  No, that's what your morality is based on, your personal morality
[46:32.360 --> 46:34.360]  As a Christian you're right
[46:34.360 --> 46:40.360]  You're trying to express that on everyone else as if it were some kind of established fact
[46:40.360 --> 46:43.360]  And it's no such thing
[46:43.360 --> 46:46.360]  Well, I'm not saying it applies to everyone else
[46:46.360 --> 46:48.360]  That's what you were saying
[46:48.360 --> 46:53.360]  I realize not everyone's a Christian, but then again not everyone's a Muslim
[46:53.360 --> 46:55.360]  Or anything else for that matter
[46:55.360 --> 46:58.360]  So we can't go back to God's law
[46:58.360 --> 47:02.360]  God left this part to us to sort out
[47:02.360 --> 47:03.360]  No, he didn't
[47:03.360 --> 47:08.360]  He left his law to your conscience
[47:08.360 --> 47:12.360]  He gave you no authority to express your law on anyone else
[47:12.360 --> 47:16.360]  But it's not my law, that's the point
[47:16.360 --> 47:18.360]  It's not my law, it's God's law
[47:18.360 --> 47:21.360]  So now God's law is the law
[47:21.360 --> 47:24.360]  Everybody's subject to the law because it's God's law
[47:24.360 --> 47:25.360]  It's not yours
[47:25.360 --> 47:26.360]  It's not mine
[47:26.360 --> 47:29.360]  God's is not mine
[47:29.360 --> 47:32.360]  Well that part is not a mistake that everybody's got to make
[47:32.360 --> 47:34.360]  It's not a Buddhist's
[47:34.360 --> 47:36.360]  Every knee shall bow
[47:36.360 --> 47:38.360]  Every tongue shall confess
[47:38.360 --> 47:39.360]  Christians say that to Christians
[47:39.360 --> 47:41.360]  That Jesus is Lord
[47:41.360 --> 47:43.360]  Buddhists don't say that
[47:43.360 --> 47:46.360]  Every knee shall bow
[47:46.360 --> 47:51.360]  Every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord
[47:51.360 --> 47:55.360]  God's law is the law whether you like it or not
[47:55.360 --> 47:59.360]  You're abusing God's law
[47:59.360 --> 48:04.360]  God didn't give you his law to beat other people up with
[48:04.360 --> 48:07.360]  Or to tell other people how they should act
[48:07.360 --> 48:10.360]  Okay, so are you a cannibal, Ramsey?
[48:10.360 --> 48:15.360]  Do you think it's okay to murder and assault other people?
[48:15.360 --> 48:20.360]  Do you think that we as a human race, as a society
[48:20.360 --> 48:24.360]  Shouldn't have laws to prohibit that sort of thing
[48:24.360 --> 48:29.360]  Or prosecute, is there no common law so to speak?
[48:29.360 --> 48:32.360]  Is everything just a matter of tort?
[48:32.360 --> 48:38.360]  Where, well why should it bother me if so and so murders so and so else?
[48:38.360 --> 48:42.360]  It doesn't hurt me, is that what you're saying?
[48:42.360 --> 48:44.360]  No, you're distorting my position
[48:44.360 --> 48:47.360]  Okay, well then tell me your position then
[48:47.360 --> 48:55.360]  I'm not the one that proposed that there is no authority to pass law to restrict sovereign behavior
[48:55.360 --> 49:06.360]  Eddie's the one that proposed that there is no authority to restrict sovereign behavior
[49:06.360 --> 49:09.360]  And that's correct, I did
[49:09.360 --> 49:17.360]  So if there is no law, no authority to pass law to restrict sovereign behavior
[49:17.360 --> 49:22.360]  You can't impose a Bible law on that, that's a personal choice
[49:22.360 --> 49:24.360]  But the difference in what you're talking about, Randy
[49:24.360 --> 49:30.360]  Is you're talking about regulation versus punishment for an act
[49:30.360 --> 49:32.360]  There's a difference, okay?
[49:32.360 --> 49:38.360]  You cannot legislate morality, you cannot legislate behavior
[49:38.360 --> 49:40.360]  Not in a man, can't do it
[49:40.360 --> 49:46.360]  A law does not alter anyone's perception or ability to do anything they do
[49:46.360 --> 49:50.360]  Only their morality does
[49:50.360 --> 49:53.360]  That's an inarguable fact
[49:53.360 --> 50:03.360]  Okay, then by your argument, if I go kill someone, it doesn't hurt you, it hurts them
[50:03.360 --> 50:06.360]  And they would have a right to raise an objection
[50:06.360 --> 50:13.360]  Again, that's not a regulatory statute we're talking about, it's a punitive statute
[50:13.360 --> 50:16.360]  Oh, you didn't make a distinction
[50:16.360 --> 50:27.360]  Where the Constitution gave the legislature authority to regulate sovereign behavior with punitive law
[50:27.360 --> 50:31.360]  Where did that come from?
[50:31.360 --> 50:35.360]  What is the purpose that we created the government?
[50:35.360 --> 50:38.360]  To protect the rights of men, correct?
[50:38.360 --> 50:39.360]  Yeah
[50:39.360 --> 50:43.360]  Okay, do I have the right to life?
[50:43.360 --> 50:45.360]  I don't know, wait a minute
[50:45.360 --> 50:49.360]  Does the, you're creating a separate argument, you said
[50:49.360 --> 50:52.360]  No, I'm not, I'm writing down a list here
[50:52.360 --> 50:53.360]  You're asking where
[50:53.360 --> 50:59.360]  Don't start telling me what authority the legislature has to restrict the behavior of sovereigns
[50:59.360 --> 51:02.360]  When you just said they don't have the authority to restrict the behavior of sovereigns
[51:02.360 --> 51:07.360]  Again, this is not behavior, this is punitive
[51:07.360 --> 51:13.360]  Behavior is when you tell me I can't walk on the side of the street in the dark without wearing a reflective coat
[51:13.360 --> 51:22.360]  So punitive is a subjective determination made by who?
[51:22.360 --> 51:26.360]  The same thing that we have this entire show about
[51:26.360 --> 51:29.360]  When one harms another
[51:29.360 --> 51:34.360]  When there is a harm committed, there is a, that's a criminal act
[51:34.360 --> 51:39.360]  A criminal act requires justice in a punitive way
[51:39.360 --> 51:44.360]  In light of your own earlier argument
[51:44.360 --> 51:51.360]  That the legislature has no power over the sovereign, they have power over themselves
[51:51.360 --> 51:56.360]  I didn't say no power, I said no power to regulate
[51:56.360 --> 52:04.360]  So you're saying that regulating behavior with punitive statutes is somehow different
[52:04.360 --> 52:10.360]  Than regulating behavior with administrative or tax or
[52:10.360 --> 52:14.360]  Nope, because now you're misapplying what I said again
[52:14.360 --> 52:19.360]  The punitive statute does not regulate behavior in any way, shape or form
[52:19.360 --> 52:27.360]  It simply describes the method of punishment and how to identify the behavior for which the punishment shall occur
[52:27.360 --> 52:28.360]  That's all it does
[52:28.360 --> 52:30.360]  Okay, now you're splitting up arguments
[52:30.360 --> 52:31.360]  No
[52:31.360 --> 52:33.360]  No law regulates behavior
[52:33.360 --> 52:34.360]  Sure it does
[52:34.360 --> 52:40.360]  All law prescribes punishment for failure to act in a certain way
[52:40.360 --> 52:41.360]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, easy guys
[52:41.360 --> 52:42.360]  Act is behavior
[52:42.360 --> 52:43.360]  Wait a minute, easy guys
[52:43.360 --> 52:52.360]  I think it looks to me like the distinction is whether there is a victim of the crime or not
[52:52.360 --> 53:04.360]  Versus a victimless crime concerning like nowadays it's like 99.99% of punitive laws are victimless crimes
[53:04.360 --> 53:07.360]  Where the state claims that it's the victim
[53:07.360 --> 53:13.360]  This goes to, has some human being been harmed?
[53:13.360 --> 53:14.360]  Exactly
[53:14.360 --> 53:15.360]  Okay
[53:15.360 --> 53:17.360]  Where is that in the constitution?
[53:17.360 --> 53:19.360]  Where is what in the constitution?
[53:19.360 --> 53:24.360]  Where is the authority to make that distinction?
[53:24.360 --> 53:29.360]  Where is the authority to make any other distinction?
[53:29.360 --> 53:32.360]  The constitution is only what I got
[53:32.360 --> 53:40.360]  And the constitution authorizes the legislature to make those laws it seems appropriate
[53:40.360 --> 53:45.360]  And you're saying that it can only make laws that what?
[53:45.360 --> 53:51.360]  It can make punitive laws that affect the sovereign
[53:51.360 --> 53:54.360]  But it can't make any other kind of laws that can affect the sovereign
[53:54.360 --> 53:56.360]  Where is that distinction?
[53:56.360 --> 54:01.360]  The distinction isn't what we talked about on this show from the onset
[54:01.360 --> 54:08.360]  You've talked opinion as if it were somehow law
[54:08.360 --> 54:10.360]  And I want to go to law
[54:10.360 --> 54:15.360]  Does the law affect us or does it not or does it only affect us when we want it to?
[54:15.360 --> 54:20.360]  Well the difference here Randy is you're grounding yourself only in the law of man
[54:20.360 --> 54:21.360]  Which is never perfect
[54:21.360 --> 54:22.360]  Yes I am
[54:22.360 --> 54:23.360]  It will be perfect
[54:23.360 --> 54:27.360]  You are absolutely right I am grounding myself only in the law of man
[54:27.360 --> 54:31.360]  And this has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
[54:31.360 --> 54:32.360]  Randy
[54:32.360 --> 54:39.360]  How does the law of God get applied to the law of man?
[54:39.360 --> 54:43.360]  Because man was made in God's image
[54:43.360 --> 54:47.360]  Which God's image?
[54:47.360 --> 54:59.360]  May I put forth for you to consider that if you only ground yourself in the concepts and the laws of man
[54:59.360 --> 55:04.360]  You will be tossed about like a ship on the ocean
[55:04.360 --> 55:11.360]  Okay this is not about where I ground myself this is about a clean logical discussion
[55:11.360 --> 55:15.360]  Okay well let's clean it up a bit here with this then
[55:15.360 --> 55:24.360]  If God's law did not exist and the Ten Commandments did not exist saying thou shalt not murder
[55:24.360 --> 55:28.360]  Then would it be wrong to murder?
[55:28.360 --> 55:36.360]  Why would man make the distinction that as long as he wasn't the one killed that it doesn't matter that someone died?
[55:36.360 --> 55:40.360]  Are you asking me for my personal opinion?
[55:40.360 --> 55:47.360]  Yeah I'm asking you to explain how that would be possible or why that would be the case
[55:47.360 --> 55:49.360]  So yeah your opinion
[55:49.360 --> 55:52.360]  My opinion is yes it would
[55:52.360 --> 55:59.360]  In my opinion it's always wrong to take that which you cannot return
[55:59.360 --> 56:07.360]  It's always wrong to take that whether it belongs to you if it doesn't belong to you whether you can return it or not
[56:07.360 --> 56:10.360]  But what does God have to do with that part?
[56:10.360 --> 56:12.360]  God has to do with everything
[56:12.360 --> 56:16.360]  Because God is where you get the moral values to let you know the difference in right and wrong
[56:16.360 --> 56:21.360]  Man can't be trusted with that look at what the situation is why this show exists
[56:21.360 --> 56:26.360]  This show exists because man can't be trusted to know right and wrong
[56:26.360 --> 56:28.360]  That's a presupposition
[56:28.360 --> 56:30.360]  No that's a statement of fact
[56:30.360 --> 56:33.360]  No that is not a statement of fact you made that up
[56:33.360 --> 56:35.360]  I watch it everyday
[56:35.360 --> 56:38.360]  It suits your purpose
[56:38.360 --> 56:44.360]  There's nothing I have nothing to establish that that's a fact you just said it so
[56:44.360 --> 56:53.360]  And the problem I'm having here with this discussion of law you're saying that the legislature has no power to affect the laws that it's affecting
[56:53.360 --> 57:03.360]  Other than that those laws apply to other members of the legislature or other members of the government that it can't regulate sovereign in any way
[57:03.360 --> 57:08.360]  And I'm listening to that and I'm saying wait a minute I see some real problems with that
[57:08.360 --> 57:20.360]  But then when I back up and say well you know there are places where the sovereign really needs to be regulated then you come up with the penal laws that are somehow exempted from this general statement
[57:20.360 --> 57:24.360]  I'm trying to get how we make this separation
[57:24.360 --> 57:25.360]  Okay okay
[57:25.360 --> 57:28.360]  By law and not just by presumption
[57:28.360 --> 57:37.360]  Okay okay I want to read something here from a friend of mine just sent me Skype chat with some comments
[57:37.360 --> 57:44.360]  This nation was founded with primarily Christian principles as the basis of it
[57:44.360 --> 57:50.360]  I'm going to add something here that can be proven with multiple documents
[57:50.360 --> 57:52.360]  End quote
[57:52.360 --> 57:56.360]  And those that don't agree with it can deal with it
[57:56.360 --> 58:01.360]  Or try to subvert its founding principles
[58:01.360 --> 58:11.360]  If Christians don't start to okay if one cannot acknowledge that the Ten Commandments are a good way to manage society then they are an enemy to God's laws
[58:11.360 --> 58:14.360]  Who's going to disagree with the Ten Commandments?
[58:14.360 --> 58:24.360]  Okay can we all agree on the Ten Commandments as a basis as you know a foundational set of axioms even in the realm of mathematics
[58:24.360 --> 58:27.360]  Yes I can agree with that
[58:27.360 --> 58:30.360]  And what's the one you disagree with Randy?
[58:30.360 --> 58:34.360]  I shall love thy Lord thy God with all thy heart and soul and mind
[58:34.360 --> 58:35.360]  That's the first one
[58:35.360 --> 58:38.360]  I'll address that on the other side that's why I have that position
[58:38.360 --> 58:43.360]  If you disagree with the first one how can you agree with all the rest?
[58:43.360 --> 58:48.360]  I'll explain that on the other side
[58:48.360 --> 58:53.360]  We're about to go to break this is Randy Count and Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig
[58:53.360 --> 58:57.360]  I like this kind of give and take
[58:57.360 --> 59:01.360]  We'll be right back
[59:01.360 --> 59:10.360]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM but finding things on the internet isn't so easy and neither is finding like minded people to share it with
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[01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:11.360]  Two NATO soldiers have been killed in southern Afghanistan bringing to 181 the number of foreign troops killed this year
[01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:17.360]  Attacks against foreign troops have risen in anticipation of NATO's forthcoming offensives
[01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:27.360]  Romania braced for a wave of protests Friday after President Traian Baicescu unveiled austerity cuts in public sector wages and pensions
[01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:33.360]  To meet a deficit target set by the IMF to avoid a Greek emergency scenario
[01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:43.360]  Leaders of national labor unions and civil rights groups said Thursday they will boycott Arizona until the state's tough new immigration law is repealed
[01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:47.360]  Overturned by the courts or superseded by federal reform
[01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:54.360]  A new poll found 55% of registered Latino voters in Arizona supported a boycott
[01:00:54.360 --> 01:01:01.360]  The CIA has received secret permission to attack more targets with drones in Pakistan's border region
[01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.360]  Including suspected militants whose names are not known
[01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:11.360]  The expanded authority approved two years ago by the Bush administration and continued by Barack Obama
[01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:17.360]  Permits the agency to rely on evidence collected by surveillance cameras and other sources
[01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:22.360]  The information is used to target suspected militants even when their full identities are not known
[01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:29.360]  Previously the CIA was restricted in most cases to killing only individuals whose names were on an approved list
[01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:36.360]  The rules have transformed the program from a narrow effort aimed at killing top al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders
[01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:41.360]  Into a large scale campaign of airstrikes in which few militants are off limits
[01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:49.360]  Critics say permitting the CIA to kill people whose names are unknown increases the risk of killing innocent civilians
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[01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:03.360]  In Britain thousands of people were deprived of their right to vote Thursday as polling stations were swamped
[01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:07.360]  And police opened investigations into allegations of electoral fraud
[01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:15.360]  Election chiefs told the UK Times widespread failures to deal with higher voter turnout may lead to reruns in the next few weeks
[01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.360]  Which could change the overall outcome
[01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:23.360]  500 people in Sheffield were turned away in Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg's constituency
[01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.360]  Police removed about 100 people who refused to leave
[01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:31.360]  That scenario was repeated in dozens of polling stations across the country
[01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:36.360]  Police forces across Britain were also looking into dozens of allegations of electoral fraud
[01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:44.360]  Veteran TV personality David Dimbleby who presented a marathon election program for the BBC told viewers
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[01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:26.360]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty
[01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:33.360]  I read his book and he says he cares not for the unsightly
[01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:43.360]  These warmongers come by that term rightly
[01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:46.360]  I won't pay for the war with my body
[01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:49.360]  Ain't gonna pay for their car with my money
[01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.360]  I won't pay for the fun with my body
[01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:56.360]  Their plans wicked and their logic shoddy
[01:03:56.360 --> 01:04:00.360]  Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body
[01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:07.360]  Okay, we are back. The Rule of Law
[01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:13.360]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens
[01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.360]  And we are discussing the law
[01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:22.360]  Amazingly so, considering this is the rule of law
[01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:25.360]  And axioms
[01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:32.360]  And so, just as a mathematician, I would like to bring this discussion a little bit into focus
[01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.360]  Concerning axioms of law
[01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:43.360]  And what we can all agree upon to hang other law upon
[01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:48.360]  I.e. proofs, you know, like in math you build proofs, theorems, etc.
[01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:50.360]  You got your definitions
[01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:54.360]  Okay, but it all goes back to axioms
[01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:59.360]  There has to be something that we can agree upon
[01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:12.360]  And I have put forth the question, the consideration, the plea even
[01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:20.360]  Can we all please agree on the Ten Commandments as a basis axiom of law
[01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:29.360]  Since this is a Christian nation and that can easily be proven through many documents and writings
[01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.360]  And I want to get into that debate
[01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:42.360]  And we are going to the discussion of does man, does one man, one sovereign have the authority to write laws over another man
[01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:46.360]  And I believe at least Eddie and I are in agreement
[01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:52.360]  The answer is no because God's law supersedes and we are in the heated debate with Randy
[01:05:52.360 --> 01:06:01.360]  And we have managed to reach a point of agreement on nine of the Ten Commandments except for one
[01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:10.360]  The first one that thou shalt love the Lord with all thy heart and all thy might and all thy soul
[01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:15.360]  And put him first and foremost in everything in your life
[01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.360]  And Randy disagrees with that
[01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:25.360]  And I don't want to hammer on Randy too much about that because I'm not the one
[01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:27.360]  Let me address it
[01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.360]  You would need to answer concerning that
[01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:41.360]  But I will say that I believe this is what all our law is built upon in Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence
[01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:46.360]  So please, Randy, go ahead and give us your viewpoint
[01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:51.360]  Okay, if you look at all of the Ten Commandments except the one
[01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:57.360]  All of the nine are prescriptions for a civil society
[01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:03.360]  Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not covet
[01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:15.360]  These are our maxims that would stand in most any civilized or civil culture on the planet
[01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:25.360]  Without exception because these are prescriptions that allow human beings to live in harmony with other human beings
[01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:28.360]  The one that doesn't necessarily fit in there
[01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:34.360]  You can say thou shalt love thy God with all thy heart and soul and thy mind, thou shalt love thy Allah with all thy heart and soul and thy mind
[01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:38.360]  Thou shalt love thy Buddha with all thy heart and soul and thy mind
[01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:44.360]  Unless you consider them all the same, then that's the ringer
[01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:52.360]  And that one only goes to your specific story that you have to define your particular belief system
[01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:56.360]  All the rest of them are natural laws
[01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:03.360]  I accept the natural laws inasmuch as they are effective
[01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:10.360]  But not because God said this is the law as I define it
[01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:15.360]  This is the law as God created the planet we live in
[01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:19.360]  This law became a matter of course
[01:08:19.360 --> 01:08:26.360]  If it's okay for me to kill my neighbor, it's okay for my neighbor to kill me
[01:08:26.360 --> 01:08:29.360]  And that does not work very well
[01:08:29.360 --> 01:08:33.360]  If it's okay for me to steal from my neighbor, it's okay for him to steal from me
[01:08:33.360 --> 01:08:36.360]  That doesn't work well either
[01:08:36.360 --> 01:08:50.360]  But as a maximum law, thou shalt love thy Lord with all thy heart and soul and thy mind, you can change it out with any other God you happen to
[01:08:50.360 --> 01:08:56.360]  Somebody happens to decide he likes at the moment, he can stick it in there and it will essentially have the same effect
[01:08:56.360 --> 01:09:00.360]  That's my only concern with that one, I hope that makes sense
[01:09:00.360 --> 01:09:04.360]  And it's just not to denigrate anybody's God
[01:09:04.360 --> 01:09:10.360]  But I'm trying to sort out here a single argument
[01:09:10.360 --> 01:09:15.360]  And we have to be careful what we ask for because we might get it
[01:09:15.360 --> 01:09:23.360]  And if we're asking for a legislature that can only pass law that affects public officials
[01:09:23.360 --> 01:09:27.360]  And that the sovereigns are exempted
[01:09:27.360 --> 01:09:36.360]  Then we get to a point of law where everybody's law is their own religious preference
[01:09:36.360 --> 01:09:40.360]  And if we look back in history, we can see the effect of that
[01:09:40.360 --> 01:09:46.360]  There was an 800 year period that has a very special name where that was kind of the case
[01:09:46.360 --> 01:09:49.360]  It's called the Dark Ages
[01:09:49.360 --> 01:09:53.360]  I don't want to go back to the Dark Ages
[01:09:53.360 --> 01:09:58.360]  I want to stay up here in the Light Ages, the Enlightened Age
[01:09:58.360 --> 01:10:18.360]  So where does God's law get legal authority in Constitution or laws of the United States or to several states?
[01:10:18.360 --> 01:10:23.360]  Well again, you're back to the principle upon the men that wrote it
[01:10:23.360 --> 01:10:26.360]  What was their morality and what was their basis for what it is
[01:10:26.360 --> 01:10:27.360]  No, that's not what I'm asking
[01:10:27.360 --> 01:10:33.360]  I'm asking where does God's law get authority?
[01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:36.360]  It can't be implied, it must be stipulated
[01:10:36.360 --> 01:10:39.360]  If it's not stipulated, it's not
[01:10:39.360 --> 01:10:57.360]  Well, Randy, I think what you're really asking is concerning governmental action of a certain human being for violating one of God's laws
[01:10:57.360 --> 01:11:03.360]  And I think where the distinction is concerning the Ten Commandments and this First Commandment versus the others
[01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:09.360]  Is that the other commandments are outward actions
[01:11:09.360 --> 01:11:15.360]  You are like if someone lies, they're opening their mouth, they're speaking something
[01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:19.360]  It leaves their body, it leaves their immediate sphere
[01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:23.360]  Or if they steal, they are taking actions
[01:11:23.360 --> 01:11:26.360]  Do you see what I'm saying?
[01:11:26.360 --> 01:11:27.360]  Yes, I do
[01:11:27.360 --> 01:11:31.360]  Or murdering, killing, these sorts of things
[01:11:31.360 --> 01:11:40.360]  They're taking actions versus an inward thought or stance
[01:11:40.360 --> 01:12:01.360]  And I think that's where the line is drawn concerning where man has the authority to formulate a government to restrict actions of other men
[01:12:01.360 --> 01:12:11.360]  If that's even possible when it comes to outward actions that would harm physically another human being
[01:12:11.360 --> 01:12:20.360]  And as far as whether or not you or anyone puts God first in their heart, mind, soul and spirit
[01:12:20.360 --> 01:12:24.360]  Well, that's between you and the Lord, that's not up to us
[01:12:24.360 --> 01:12:32.360]  If you covet, etc., if it comes to inward thoughts, that's a different story
[01:12:32.360 --> 01:12:35.360]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, I have a problem here
[01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:36.360]  Okay
[01:12:36.360 --> 01:12:42.360]  Thou hypocrite, how considereth thou the beam that is in thy brother's eye
[01:12:42.360 --> 01:12:47.360]  Or the moat that is in thy brother's eye, considereth not the beam that is in thine own eye
[01:12:47.360 --> 01:12:57.360]  Well, like I said, when it comes to outward actions versus inward thoughts
[01:12:57.360 --> 01:13:01.360]  How do we legislate our inward thoughts?
[01:13:01.360 --> 01:13:12.360]  When it comes to outward actions, if someone happens to think in their own head some thought, that's one thing
[01:13:12.360 --> 01:13:18.360]  If they take action to physically harm me, that's a different story
[01:13:18.360 --> 01:13:20.360]  I don't know how much more clear I can make it
[01:13:20.360 --> 01:13:24.360]  I'm trying to find where the law gets its authority, it doesn't get it from God
[01:13:24.360 --> 01:13:33.360]  God gave his law, but he gave his law to each individual and left that law in the heart of each individual
[01:13:33.360 --> 01:13:34.360]  I disagree
[01:13:34.360 --> 01:13:42.360]  There's nothing in there that says that that individual has some special capacity to express that law in somewhere else
[01:13:42.360 --> 01:13:43.360]  I disagree
[01:13:43.360 --> 01:13:49.360]  What you're interjecting here though comes from a different place than what we're talking about here
[01:13:49.360 --> 01:14:01.360]  The law of men gets its force from men and a coalition thereof, a unification to make the enforcement occur
[01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:05.360]  Thank you, that's exactly where I wanted to go
[01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:09.360]  But that changes nothing about what I've said
[01:14:09.360 --> 01:14:17.360]  The only way that one sovereign can regulate another sovereign that doesn't wish to be regulated is through force
[01:14:17.360 --> 01:14:19.360]  That's the only way
[01:14:19.360 --> 01:14:25.360]  You can either convince me to go your route or you can force me to go your route
[01:14:25.360 --> 01:14:34.360]  I'm pretty sure that the reason we have this show and espouse the views that we do is because we are in agreement
[01:14:34.360 --> 01:14:39.360]  that no man has the right to force me to do something I do not wish to do
[01:14:39.360 --> 01:14:44.360]  He can't make me sign a contract, he can't make me paint my house a certain color
[01:14:44.360 --> 01:14:48.360]  He cannot make me cut my grass on a certain day of the week or to a certain height
[01:14:48.360 --> 01:14:51.360]  He can't do it
[01:14:51.360 --> 01:14:56.360]  No one can give him the authority to do that to me
[01:14:56.360 --> 01:14:59.360]  And I don't know that anybody is
[01:14:59.360 --> 01:15:00.360]  Sure they are
[01:15:00.360 --> 01:15:04.360]  You've got all these city ordinances that say keep your grass this high, we'll write you a ticket
[01:15:04.360 --> 01:15:07.360]  Now wait a minute, wait a minute
[01:15:07.360 --> 01:15:12.360]  When you moved in that city were you not aware that those restrictions were there?
[01:15:12.360 --> 01:15:18.360]  Did somebody handcuff you and drag you in and force you to buy that house and force you to live in that house
[01:15:18.360 --> 01:15:21.360]  These restrictions already are absolutely irrelevant
[01:15:21.360 --> 01:15:24.360]  Oh I see, existing contracts don't count
[01:15:24.360 --> 01:15:26.360]  I don't have a contract with them
[01:15:26.360 --> 01:15:28.360]  No I didn't
[01:15:28.360 --> 01:15:33.360]  The restrictions weren't in place when you came there so you can just come in and step in and say
[01:15:33.360 --> 01:15:37.360]  All of the restrictions have been codified over the last hundred years
[01:15:37.360 --> 01:15:39.360]  Objection, off point, irrelevant
[01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:41.360]  How so?
[01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:45.360]  Because I don't have a contract with the city, I'm not buying property from the city
[01:15:45.360 --> 01:15:50.360]  I'm buying it from another individual or some company that's selling me a house
[01:15:50.360 --> 01:15:51.360]  Okay
[01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:53.360]  But I'm not agreeing to be found by a
[01:15:53.360 --> 01:15:54.360]  Do you understand where you're going?
[01:15:54.360 --> 01:15:57.360]  What?
[01:15:57.360 --> 01:16:01.360]  You understand where you're going
[01:16:01.360 --> 01:16:04.360]  I understand where I'm going, I don't understand where you're going
[01:16:04.360 --> 01:16:08.360]  Well you're 200 years of law
[01:16:08.360 --> 01:16:10.360]  This is what the guardians are doing
[01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:15.360]  Okay, now hold on, did we not just have a discussion here the other day
[01:16:15.360 --> 01:16:20.360]  About the enacting clause in the constitution where it specifically states
[01:16:20.360 --> 01:16:23.360]  That if a law doesn't have this clause, it's not a law
[01:16:23.360 --> 01:16:24.360]  Yes
[01:16:24.360 --> 01:16:27.360]  Now the state does not pass a law about how high your grass can be
[01:16:27.360 --> 01:16:29.360]  If they did, I'd tell them to go jump in the creek
[01:16:29.360 --> 01:16:31.360]  Jump into a different argument
[01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:36.360]  No, it's the same argument just from a different viewpoint, okay?
[01:16:36.360 --> 01:16:38.360]  Same argument
[01:16:38.360 --> 01:16:44.360]  We're back to this same place, if I don't like the law, screw it
[01:16:44.360 --> 01:16:48.360]  I'll do what I want
[01:16:48.360 --> 01:16:51.360]  It's my property, I should be able to do what I want
[01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:53.360]  As long as I'm not hurting anybody else for their property
[01:16:53.360 --> 01:16:57.360]  Now you focused it down totally to your property from a general argument
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[01:18:39.360 --> 01:18:41.360]  Alright, we are back
[01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:46.360]  And the last statement made I believe was I'm juxtaposing positions here
[01:18:46.360 --> 01:18:53.360]  But anyway, the point being that if I move somewhere and I acquire a piece of property
[01:18:53.360 --> 01:19:01.360]  That doesn't give any transference of the location I move to, the ability to regulate me any differently
[01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:05.360]  It's my property, I don't want to mow my grass, I don't want to mow my grass
[01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:09.360]  I want to paint my house purple instead of blue because I don't want to fit in with the rest of the neighborhood
[01:19:09.360 --> 01:19:12.360]  That's my business, it's my property
[01:19:12.360 --> 01:19:20.360]  I never insinuated in any way, shape or form that I had the right to go out and impose myself on someone else's property
[01:19:20.360 --> 01:19:28.360]  I'm sovereign over what belongs to me, what's in my possession as a matter of right and the sweat of my brow
[01:19:28.360 --> 01:19:33.360]  And what I do with that is my business, no one else's
[01:19:33.360 --> 01:19:41.360]  When I go out and I intermingle with the public, I don't use the law of man to determine how I interact with those other people
[01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:47.360]  I use my own moral code within me that says I can't walk up and just smack somebody upside the head
[01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:51.360]  Because I don't like the way they cut their hair
[01:19:51.360 --> 01:19:54.360]  The law of man's got nothing to do with that
[01:19:54.360 --> 01:20:02.360]  Okay, so we go back to individual moral codes
[01:20:02.360 --> 01:20:05.360]  Which is the basis of any law anywhere
[01:20:05.360 --> 01:20:08.360]  Everybody's got their own internal moral code
[01:20:08.360 --> 01:20:12.360]  You're not basing a law on something, you're saying there isn't one
[01:20:12.360 --> 01:20:22.360]  Other than what the individual sovereign decides is expedient to him at the moment
[01:20:22.360 --> 01:20:30.360]  That what my moral code says is what I should do and no one else should have any objection to it
[01:20:30.360 --> 01:20:34.360]  Unless I hurt them personally and immediately
[01:20:34.360 --> 01:20:38.360]  And a lot of my concern with this is the immediate harm
[01:20:38.360 --> 01:20:44.360]  If I'm doing something that'll cause harm down the road, if I haven't harmed you yet, you have no complaint
[01:20:44.360 --> 01:20:50.360]  And you can't complain until you are harmed and in this particular culture
[01:20:50.360 --> 01:21:01.360]  By the time we reach the point of harm that was obvious and absolutely predictable
[01:21:01.360 --> 01:21:05.360]  We don't have a complaint, we don't have a claim
[01:21:05.360 --> 01:21:10.360]  But by the time it happens there's often nothing we can do about it, like if you've run over me drunk
[01:21:10.360 --> 01:21:14.360]  It's a little late for me to unrun myself over
[01:21:14.360 --> 01:21:18.360]  That I only have a right to complain after I've been injured
[01:21:18.360 --> 01:21:24.360]  I can't say, well, you're shooting your pistol toward my house
[01:21:24.360 --> 01:21:28.360]  I really wish you'd quit that before you kill me
[01:21:28.360 --> 01:21:30.360]  Sure, you could say it
[01:21:30.360 --> 01:21:33.360]  How? You haven't harmed me
[01:21:33.360 --> 01:21:35.360]  Doesn't mean you can't say it
[01:21:35.360 --> 01:21:38.360]  But you can't go over and bust him upside the head
[01:21:38.360 --> 01:21:40.360]  I didn't say bust him upside the head
[01:21:40.360 --> 01:21:44.360]  There's no authority to regulate any behavior unless you've been harmed
[01:21:44.360 --> 01:21:47.360]  This is what goes to the common law
[01:21:47.360 --> 01:21:49.360]  I'm not happy with common law
[01:21:49.360 --> 01:21:52.360]  Okay, wait a minute, easy guys
[01:21:52.360 --> 01:21:54.360]  I am happy with common law
[01:21:54.360 --> 01:22:01.360]  Because I'm a mathematician and I believe in agreeing upon a set of axioms
[01:22:01.360 --> 01:22:12.360]  Because otherwise we're going to fight till kingdom come over A versus B what's true and what's false
[01:22:12.360 --> 01:22:18.360]  We all need to agree upon a set of axioms and that's why we have the Ten Commandments
[01:22:18.360 --> 01:22:32.360]  All right, and Randy, what you're saying or proposing concerning individual moral regulating behavior is that
[01:22:32.360 --> 01:22:39.360]  Well, if so-and-so kills so-and-so somebody else, what does it matter because it didn't hurt me?
[01:22:39.360 --> 01:22:51.360]  All right, in most cases I would agree that that's you guys' tort issue or you gals' whatever the case may be
[01:22:51.360 --> 01:23:01.360]  But when it comes to certain basic fundamental moral principles laid out in God's law and I will say that
[01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:10.360]  I believe that we as a society have the right to say no
[01:23:10.360 --> 01:23:16.360]  I will stand up against that and prosecute that if so-and-so kills somebody else
[01:23:16.360 --> 01:23:21.360]  Because how is the somebody else going to do something about it if he's dead, okay?
[01:23:21.360 --> 01:23:26.360]  Or if the somebody else is so injured they can't do something about it, okay?
[01:23:26.360 --> 01:23:38.360]  We have to agree on a basic set of moral principles and that is laid out in the Ten Commandments concerning aggression
[01:23:38.360 --> 01:23:47.360]  The non-aggression truce as the libertarians would put it, define it
[01:23:47.360 --> 01:23:58.360]  That's where I was trying to go is to a basic underlying structure and your characterization that I had a position that it was okay to do this
[01:23:58.360 --> 01:24:03.360]  Was not exactly correct, that was not my position at all
[01:24:03.360 --> 01:24:12.360]  That's my concern with the common law approach or with no one has authority to tell me what to do approach
[01:24:12.360 --> 01:24:20.360]  That we wind up in a position to where we no longer have a civil society
[01:24:20.360 --> 01:24:26.360]  We have a bunch of people doing whatever they feel like doing, whatever they feel like doing
[01:24:26.360 --> 01:24:38.360]  Or maybe if there has to be a divergence from one way or the other, either a non-civil society versus a theocracy
[01:24:38.360 --> 01:24:43.360]  I'm trying to get to what we believe, a basic belief
[01:24:43.360 --> 01:25:04.360]  Do we follow only the Bible and throw out everything else or does the Bible control the statutory laws or is the Bible separate and we have a legal structure
[01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:08.360]  If we have a legal structure, what is it?
[01:25:08.360 --> 01:25:17.360]  Well, I would propose that as far as outward behavior, not inward thinking or beliefs or thoughts
[01:25:17.360 --> 01:25:24.360]  But as far as outward behavior, yes, the Bible is the controlling structure
[01:25:24.360 --> 01:25:30.360]  So what if I'm Buddhist, am I trapped to your Bible?
[01:25:30.360 --> 01:25:34.360]  I have to believe upon the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, and mind
[01:25:34.360 --> 01:25:38.360]  Now you're going off on a tangent
[01:25:38.360 --> 01:25:46.360]  I said as far as outward behavior, the Bible is the controlling structure for the law system
[01:25:46.360 --> 01:25:52.360]  And the fact that most religions have similar characteristics makes it more amenable
[01:25:52.360 --> 01:26:00.360]  But no, they don't have to go by the Bible, that's a choice between them and God, and God makes it very clear he's left that choice to the individual
[01:26:00.360 --> 01:26:10.360]  But the difference here is, do these individual religions say it's okay to kill somebody because they don't believe like you do?
[01:26:10.360 --> 01:26:12.360]  Yeah, there's a few that do, don't they?
[01:26:12.360 --> 01:26:18.360]  But do we accept that in the protection of each other as a society?
[01:26:18.360 --> 01:26:19.360]  No
[01:26:19.360 --> 01:26:27.360]  The problem I'm having here is you're mixing up the law with how we think things should be
[01:26:27.360 --> 01:26:31.360]  No, what I'm trying to show you is you can't separate them
[01:26:31.360 --> 01:26:35.360]  There's no way to separate them and have a moral society
[01:26:35.360 --> 01:26:41.360]  Wait a minute, yes we can, the law says what it says, it is what it is
[01:26:41.360 --> 01:26:43.360]  And there's no morality involved
[01:26:43.360 --> 01:26:45.360]  You're right, the law says what it says
[01:26:45.360 --> 01:26:49.360]  What is the law and what is your opinion about the law?
[01:26:49.360 --> 01:26:55.360]  We keep juxtaposing everybody's opinion on how it should be and I can't get to what it is
[01:26:55.360 --> 01:27:03.360]  Okay, I would like to give my opinion on what it is and my belief on what it is and my intention on what it is
[01:27:03.360 --> 01:27:08.360]  Define it as a theocracy if you like
[01:27:08.360 --> 01:27:16.360]  I'm making my stand, this is a Christian nation, this is a Christian society
[01:27:16.360 --> 01:27:23.360]  And I intend on making it so with every fiber of my being
[01:27:23.360 --> 01:27:32.360]  And some of my best friends are Buddhist, some of my best friends are Muslims and they have no disagreement with me
[01:27:32.360 --> 01:27:40.360]  Or my God, the only people that have disagreements with me are complete and total atheists
[01:27:40.360 --> 01:27:46.360]  And if that's the stance you want to take, then that's between you and your maker
[01:27:46.360 --> 01:27:52.360]  Okay, but I've got to make a stand and I'm sorry if it sounds biased
[01:27:52.360 --> 01:27:56.360]  Actually, I'm not sorry, I don't apologize
[01:27:56.360 --> 01:28:01.360]  I am a Christian, I love Jesus Christ to the core, he is my savior
[01:28:01.360 --> 01:28:07.360]  And I believe that this is the final stand of mankind
[01:28:07.360 --> 01:28:12.360]  And I believe in the Bible as the governing principle of the law of this land
[01:28:12.360 --> 01:28:16.360]  And anybody that doesn't like it can take a hike, okay?
[01:28:16.360 --> 01:28:20.360]  And Lord forgive me and that's all I got to say about it
[01:28:20.360 --> 01:28:23.360]  Look, I want some boxing gloves and me and Eddie will just duke it out
[01:28:23.360 --> 01:28:27.360]  And whoever beats the other one up is right
[01:28:27.360 --> 01:28:31.360]  No, I don't like that idea, he's bigger than me
[01:28:31.360 --> 01:28:34.360]  Okay, I'm not going to make any apologies
[01:28:34.360 --> 01:28:37.360]  You know what, this is not a secular society
[01:28:37.360 --> 01:28:40.360]  Not if I have anything to say about it, okay?
[01:28:40.360 --> 01:28:46.360]  This is not a secular radio station, this is not a secular internet radio network
[01:28:46.360 --> 01:28:50.360]  This is about Jesus Christ, this is about the Lord coming back
[01:28:50.360 --> 01:28:53.360]  And you want to talk about ownership of property
[01:28:53.360 --> 01:28:58.360]  God made this earth and he owns all of it, period
[01:28:58.360 --> 01:29:04.360]  And like I said, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord
[01:29:04.360 --> 01:29:10.360]  And if I'm being too pushy about it, well, Lord forgive me but that's just the way it is
[01:29:10.360 --> 01:29:17.360]  Well, I'm just trying to discuss law and I'm trying to keep from every discussion of law
[01:29:17.360 --> 01:29:23.360]  To when we get down to the basics of law, I'm trying to keep it from jumping into everybody's religious beliefs
[01:29:23.360 --> 01:29:26.360]  Well, then it ain't gonna because...
[01:29:26.360 --> 01:29:30.360]  Leave into Caesar that which is Caesar
[01:29:30.360 --> 01:29:32.360]  I agree
[01:29:32.360 --> 01:29:35.360]  I want to talk about Caesar
[01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:39.360]  I trust God to have left his righteousness in my heart
[01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:42.360]  I don't need to bring it into the legislature
[01:29:42.360 --> 01:29:44.360]  Well, I will bring it into every...
[01:29:44.360 --> 01:29:46.360]  I will roll
[01:29:46.360 --> 01:29:47.360]  Is that Eddie?
[01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:51.360]  I said I want to talk about Caesar going down with Rome
[01:29:51.360 --> 01:29:56.360]  Well, in regards to what Randy said, I'll bring the Lord into every aspect of my life
[01:29:56.360 --> 01:29:59.360]  Alright, we'll be right back
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[01:31:27.360 --> 01:31:36.360]  I want to go back to a question that Eddie had asked earlier in the evening concerning
[01:31:36.360 --> 01:31:45.360]  Where do these public servants get off thinking that they have some right, quote-unquote,
[01:31:45.360 --> 01:31:52.360]  To rule or govern us or regulate us, et cetera, et cetera, and as Michael Badnerich would say,
[01:31:52.360 --> 01:31:57.360]  And I totally agree, public servants don't have any rights, governments have no rights,
[01:31:57.360 --> 01:32:02.360]  They only have privileges or authorities duties that we grant to them, et cetera, et cetera,
[01:32:02.360 --> 01:32:09.360]  And I want to at least hopefully partially answer that question, where do they get off?
[01:32:09.360 --> 01:32:17.360]  I think it's not so much some sort of egotistical or getting off on authority, I think,
[01:32:17.360 --> 01:32:26.360]  And also in conjunction with that question, how has society gone along with this and think that it's okay?
[01:32:26.360 --> 01:32:37.360]  All right, here's how, it's the seduction of collectivism, it's the seduction of the nanny state,
[01:32:37.360 --> 01:32:42.360]  Guns and butter, as Ron Paul would put it, okay?
[01:32:42.360 --> 01:32:49.360]  It goes to the role of government, government is not here to provide services,
[01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:56.360]  Government is not here to take care of us or provide us with any kind of care whatsoever,
[01:32:56.360 --> 01:33:11.360]  This seduction of collectivism and giving the handout, okay, every time you agree to take any kind of government handout whatsoever,
[01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:19.360]  You're succumbing to the seduction of collectivism and you're giving up a little bit more,
[01:33:19.360 --> 01:33:27.360]  A little bit more, a little bit more of your freedom, a little bit more of your liberty, a little bit more rights over your property,
[01:33:27.360 --> 01:33:37.360]  Until finally one day they own your A-S, okay, and it is just, you're just nothing but a slave,
[01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:51.360]  It's like the old saying, the fairy tale rhyme or whatever concerning how the old farmer managed to bring 200 wild boars to the marketplace,
[01:33:51.360 --> 01:33:57.360]  It took years, they built a little bit of fence on one side, a little bit of a fence on the other side,
[01:33:57.360 --> 01:34:03.360]  A little bit of a fence on the other side, put a little bit more feet, put a little bit more feet, lure them in, lure them in,
[01:34:03.360 --> 01:34:11.360]  Until finally one day they close it all off, I say no government handout, the government is not here to take care of us at all,
[01:34:11.360 --> 01:34:18.360]  And I urge everyone within the sound of my voice, regardless of what your faith or religion is,
[01:34:18.360 --> 01:34:27.360]  Not to succumb to the seduction of collectivism and the government's handout, okay,
[01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:37.360]  Because all that will do is rob you of your life, liberty and property is not the role of government at all,
[01:34:37.360 --> 01:34:48.360]  Please people, our forefathers fought and died for this all over the planet, not just here, not just in Europe, all over the world,
[01:34:48.360 --> 01:34:55.360]  To fight the tyranny, how does it, how does the government, how do these tyranny mongers take over,
[01:34:55.360 --> 01:35:04.360]  You think they just come in by brute force one day, well yeah they do that too, but it doesn't start off that way,
[01:35:04.360 --> 01:35:11.360]  It starts off as, you know, here, a little bit here, you know, come on, make a deal,
[01:35:11.360 --> 01:35:19.360]  I'll give you food stamps, I'll give you this, I'll give you that, a government loan for your school, you know, pay for your education,
[01:35:19.360 --> 01:35:25.360]  And I'm sorry if I'm, you know, railing on people too hard here, but you know,
[01:35:25.360 --> 01:35:35.360]  Every time anybody takes any government service whatsoever, it's destroying all of our freedoms and liberties,
[01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:44.360]  And we have to stop it, we have to wake up people, no more government handout, no more seduction of collectivism,
[01:35:44.360 --> 01:35:59.360]  I'm done with that, so, okay, that's my rant, how do we do that, do we get rid of the police force, utilities,
[01:35:59.360 --> 01:36:11.360]  Roads, who's going to build our roads, how do we do that, how do we implement such a situation,
[01:36:11.360 --> 01:36:15.360]  Why would there not be a reason that people would be willing to do the jobs that need to be done,
[01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:22.360]  I mean, we had all this stuff before all these laws came along, why would they cease to exist because the laws did,
[01:36:22.360 --> 01:36:27.360]  There's always a degree of collectivism involved though,
[01:36:27.360 --> 01:36:38.360]  But the question becomes whether or not it's collectivism by consent or by control, that's a big difference,
[01:36:38.360 --> 01:36:44.360]  If I participate in something willingly because I desire to achieve the end outcome,
[01:36:44.360 --> 01:36:48.360]  And to share that ability with others, that's my choice,
[01:36:48.360 --> 01:36:55.360]  But to have someone tell me that my wallet's going to be empty to pay for it, whether I desire it or not, that's another,
[01:36:55.360 --> 01:37:01.360]  Or that someone's going to tell me that the only work I can get is the work they want to give me, and if I don't like it, tough too bad,
[01:37:01.360 --> 01:37:19.360]  Okay, so if you go down and buy fuel, and you don't want to pay the road use tax, should you be able to use the roads if you don't pay for them,
[01:37:19.360 --> 01:37:23.360]  I'm not required to pay the road use tax,
[01:37:23.360 --> 01:37:28.360]  That was a different question, you dodged the question,
[01:37:28.360 --> 01:37:35.360]  Should you be able to use utilities if you don't pay for them,
[01:37:35.360 --> 01:37:40.360]  It depends on what you mean by the utilities, if you're talking the community's utilities,
[01:37:40.360 --> 01:37:44.360]  That they worked hard to put in and put in place, the answer would be no,
[01:37:44.360 --> 01:37:49.360]  But the question is, should I be able to make my own and utilize it for myself,
[01:37:49.360 --> 01:37:53.360]  Or at the same time, if I can make it big enough and strong enough to do it,
[01:37:53.360 --> 01:37:58.360]  Enable my own ability to produce utilities for myself and my neighbors,
[01:37:58.360 --> 01:38:03.360]  And if they wish to be on and help me pay for the expense of that, then hook them up and let it go,
[01:38:03.360 --> 01:38:16.360]  Okay, is it a rational consideration that we can have this separation, this total separation,
[01:38:16.360 --> 01:38:21.360]  Or do we have to find a compromise,
[01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:24.360]  Who out here is willing to step away,
[01:38:24.360 --> 01:38:30.360]  I know some people who do, someone I talked to on occasion,
[01:38:30.360 --> 01:38:34.360]  Hasn't had electricity in 15 years, he's going to miss it,
[01:38:34.360 --> 01:38:41.360]  But that was a personal choice and he did step out of the system,
[01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:53.360]  But how many of you are willing to give up on all of the social amenities,
[01:38:53.360 --> 01:39:01.360]  That come in with an ordered society and walk away from it,
[01:39:01.360 --> 01:39:12.360]  Because if you move into a society where these amenities are so interwoven,
[01:39:12.360 --> 01:39:19.360]  That you can't live in the society without taking advantage of structures other people have paid for,
[01:39:19.360 --> 01:39:23.360]  Can you just come in and say, well, you didn't ask me to pay for it,
[01:39:23.360 --> 01:39:30.360]  So I can use it without having to contribute,
[01:39:30.360 --> 01:39:35.360]  Where does our responsibility really lie here,
[01:39:35.360 --> 01:39:41.360]  And what responsibility do we have to an ordered society,
[01:39:41.360 --> 01:39:47.360]  The person is 90 years old and has a stroke,
[01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:56.360]  Well, sorry, Bubba, you can't pay for it, get out of here,
[01:39:56.360 --> 01:40:00.360]  Do we compromise or do we draw hard lines and say,
[01:40:00.360 --> 01:40:04.360]  You can't write any law that affects the sovereign,
[01:40:04.360 --> 01:40:11.360]  I don't have a duty to my fellow man or anything else if I don't choose it,
[01:40:11.360 --> 01:40:12.360]  Well, if I may,
[01:40:12.360 --> 01:40:15.360]  Even the courts say that, Rudy,
[01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:23.360]  If I may to propose a libertarian point of view,
[01:40:23.360 --> 01:40:33.360]  It's not going to be the case that every single person would get health care or care in their elderly years or this, that or the other thing,
[01:40:33.360 --> 01:40:50.360]  But it has been proven over time that the true free market provides the most services and the best care and the best products for the best price to the most people,
[01:40:50.360 --> 01:41:00.360]  Versus if some government entity is going to force some collectivist ideology of redistribution of wealth,
[01:41:00.360 --> 01:41:08.360]  You're going to get lower quality of services, goods, et cetera, et cetera, and dumb down the whole population,
[01:41:08.360 --> 01:41:16.360]  True, you hear Randy wheezing in the background, folks, that's because he's currently on Obamacare,
[01:41:16.360 --> 01:41:26.360]  Actually, I agree with Deborah that the free market is always better, there's a problem with that too,
[01:41:26.360 --> 01:41:33.360]  A free market left to itself tends to always become extremely unbalanced,
[01:41:33.360 --> 01:41:38.360]  All of the money tends to accumulate in a few hands,
[01:41:38.360 --> 01:41:47.360]  And without some sort of restrictions, they gain the power to swallow everybody else,
[01:41:47.360 --> 01:41:52.360]  So where do we draw the line?
[01:41:52.360 --> 01:42:00.360]  How do we draw the line to say that you've accumulated massive amounts of wealth,
[01:42:00.360 --> 01:42:13.360]  But you can't just do anything you want to with it, you can't just go out and cheat and put other businesses out of business so you can swallow them,
[01:42:13.360 --> 01:42:20.360]  Do we just say lazy fair, let the buyer beware, or do we keep them?
[01:42:20.360 --> 01:42:30.360]  Well, again, I think you're skipping ahead a few steps, isn't that how they got that amazing amount of wealth to begin with, was by doing all those things?
[01:42:30.360 --> 01:42:32.360]  That's usually the way it works,
[01:42:32.360 --> 01:42:35.360]  Wait a minute, that didn't make sense, why?
[01:42:35.360 --> 01:42:42.360]  Well, you're talking about, you know, they are able to take over the markets and buy everybody out and cheat people and so on and so forth,
[01:42:42.360 --> 01:42:47.360]  Because they have all this amazing wealth, generally speaking, that's how they got the amazing wealth,
[01:42:47.360 --> 01:42:50.360]  How's how they got it, cheating, yeah,
[01:42:50.360 --> 01:42:55.360]  But the point being, does having the laws of men change that?
[01:42:55.360 --> 01:43:01.360]  In reality, no it doesn't, for several reasons, one, they ignore them, two,
[01:43:01.360 --> 01:43:03.360]  Then we're back to feudalism,
[01:43:03.360 --> 01:43:12.360]  Well listen, also I would put this idea out there too, we're not fighting a monarchy here in this country, we're fighting collectivism,
[01:43:12.360 --> 01:43:21.360]  So let's like, you know, turn the tide towards the direction of laissez-faire and free market,
[01:43:21.360 --> 01:43:29.360]  You know, because there's already too much government intrusion in our life and regulation and big government and you know, socialism and stuff,
[01:43:29.360 --> 01:43:35.360]  You know what I'm saying, I mean, let's look at what we're faced with here,
[01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:41.360]  Well, it goes back to the consent of the governed to be bound by certain rules,
[01:43:41.360 --> 01:43:46.360]  But it still involves consent, not force,
[01:43:46.360 --> 01:43:49.360]  Why don't we legislate that?
[01:43:49.360 --> 01:43:51.360]  I say we don't.
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[01:45:18.360 --> 01:45:31.360]  Okay, we're taking your calls here on the rule of law,
[01:45:31.360 --> 01:45:43.360]  As we sow, so shall we reap, the Three Shoes Posse,
[01:45:43.360 --> 01:45:51.360]  And I would say the ultimate Three Shoes Posse, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, we are going now to Michael in Maryland,
[01:45:51.360 --> 01:45:55.360]  Okay Michael, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:45:55.360 --> 01:46:04.360]  Hi, good evening folks, fascinating discussion, I wouldn't even know where to begin to jump into what you guys are into there,
[01:46:04.360 --> 01:46:10.360]  It's quite a lot because I actually come from the better part of 20 years of having been a Christian that long,
[01:46:10.360 --> 01:46:14.360]  But I'm more of a Jeffersonian in my political outlook,
[01:46:14.360 --> 01:46:19.360]  So I have some sympathy in general for what Randy is saying,
[01:46:19.360 --> 01:46:30.360]  To the extent that I wouldn't want the Buddhists or the Muslims to rise up either in numbers or in force and make their religion mine,
[01:46:30.360 --> 01:46:34.360]  That's not what I called to speak about, but in general, having said that,
[01:46:34.360 --> 01:46:40.360]  In general I definitely line up more with Eddie and with Deborah as far as the fact that the laws that we have
[01:46:40.360 --> 01:46:47.360]  And that we are accountable to in the sense of the Constitution and so on,
[01:46:47.360 --> 01:46:53.360]  Do have their basis in the moral law, the Judeo-Christian, so let me push on past that.
[01:46:53.360 --> 01:47:01.360]  Wait, hold on one second, hold on one second, Randy, are you there? Is Randy there?
[01:47:01.360 --> 01:47:04.360]  Yeah, I'm back, I had a little trouble with my headset.
[01:47:04.360 --> 01:47:06.360]  Okay, yeah, we can hear.
[01:47:06.360 --> 01:47:14.360]  And at some point after off the air, I'd be very interested in hearing Randy expand a little bit on his opposition to the common law,
[01:47:14.360 --> 01:47:21.360]  Because I understand that that's a critical component of the Constitution and the whole basis of law in our country,
[01:47:21.360 --> 01:47:24.360]  But I won't get into that right now, what I would like to ask about is,
[01:47:24.360 --> 01:47:29.360]  It seems like an email that I sent a couple days ago might have been the basis possibly,
[01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:34.360]  It doesn't matter if it was or wasn't, a conversation over the last couple of days regarding the Nevada case,
[01:47:34.360 --> 01:47:41.360]  And I also made reference in that email to another case that I don't know quite as well, Wren, W-H-R-E-N,
[01:47:41.360 --> 01:47:46.360]  Where you all have begun talking about when a policeman maybe let's say pulls you over and says,
[01:47:46.360 --> 01:47:50.360]  Identify yourself, license and registration, but I never heard discussed,
[01:47:50.360 --> 01:47:54.360]  And I'd like you to expand on, I may have missed it, so apologies if you're repeating yourself,
[01:47:54.360 --> 01:48:00.360]  Is what about the question of the fact that probable cause and reasonable doubt,
[01:48:00.360 --> 01:48:08.360]  I think that's the right expression, reasonable doubt, anyway, that those two as I understand it are presumed a criminal offense,
[01:48:08.360 --> 01:48:15.360]  And what they 95 times out of 100 seem to be pulling us over for are these civil municipal code infractions,
[01:48:15.360 --> 01:48:22.360]  And to me they don't line up and when you get down to our right to understand the nature and cause of the action against us,
[01:48:22.360 --> 01:48:29.360]  It definitely seems to me like they're totally working under color of law in your ignorance to try to enforce municipal codes,
[01:48:29.360 --> 01:48:34.360]  That's the way I see it, so I was curious where you all stood on that.
[01:48:34.360 --> 01:48:40.360]  Well, for the most part, most municipalities enforce state law,
[01:48:40.360 --> 01:48:48.360]  Some have codified traffic code into municipal law, but most enforce state law.
[01:48:48.360 --> 01:48:59.360]  It's not a crime though, you see what I mean, it's not a crime, they try to adjudicate it in a civil venue.
[01:48:59.360 --> 01:49:02.360]  Wait, I missed that.
[01:49:02.360 --> 01:49:08.360]  He's saying most of the time when you get pulled over, it's not because of a crime,
[01:49:08.360 --> 01:49:21.360]  It's because of some civil infraction, either municipal code or perhaps state code regarding civil infractions of commerce.
[01:49:21.360 --> 01:49:26.360]  I would add of commerce, and this is Eddie's area of expertise,
[01:49:26.360 --> 01:49:34.360]  And I would just, before I turn it over to Eddie, from my understanding of Texas transportation code,
[01:49:34.360 --> 01:49:41.360]  It's all about commerce, it has nothing to do with travel whatsoever,
[01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:49.360]  If you're not engaged in commerce on the roadways, then the whole entire transportation code doesn't apply at all,
[01:49:49.360 --> 01:49:52.360]  So I would say you're right, Michael and Eddie?
[01:49:52.360 --> 01:49:56.360]  Eddie, before you comment, let me say this, it seems like they want to have their cake and eat it too,
[01:49:56.360 --> 01:50:00.360]  They want to treat it as though it's a crime, but yet when they adjudicate it, as far as you're right, they're concerned,
[01:50:00.360 --> 01:50:04.360]  They stick it under civil, and that lines up with, by the way, if you didn't know this,
[01:50:04.360 --> 01:50:10.360]  In fact, if you have a silver eagle and you want to pay your taxes with it, they're only going to give you a dime,
[01:50:10.360 --> 01:50:15.360]  But if you go and turn it in for a gain, guess what they're going to tax you on?
[01:50:15.360 --> 01:50:19.360]  The fair market value, they want it both ways.
[01:50:19.360 --> 01:50:26.360]  Now the IRS lost that case, big case in Arizona on that issue, and they lost.
[01:50:26.360 --> 01:50:33.360]  They lost big time, but the point of what you're asking there is you're right in a lot of ways,
[01:50:33.360 --> 01:50:36.360]  They want to have their cake and eat it too.
[01:50:36.360 --> 01:50:38.360]  Here in Texas, it's exactly the opposite.
[01:50:38.360 --> 01:50:42.360]  It's actually a civil offense, but they want to treat it like a crime,
[01:50:42.360 --> 01:50:48.360]  While at the same time denying you all of the due process rights associated with criminal trials.
[01:50:48.360 --> 01:50:53.360]  It's just hands down the most bass, awkward thing you could think of.
[01:50:53.360 --> 01:50:57.360]  All the codes that it's under are civil.
[01:50:57.360 --> 01:51:05.360]  There's no offense in the penal code for traffic, none, not in there.
[01:51:05.360 --> 01:51:11.360]  In fact, the only place in Texas law where the word crime is even defined is in the government code,
[01:51:11.360 --> 01:51:19.360]  And it specifically states that a crime is only those misdemeanors involving incarceration
[01:51:19.360 --> 01:51:23.360]  As part of the punishment or felonies.
[01:51:23.360 --> 01:51:31.360]  There's nothing in there for Class Cs which are fined only as being criminal.
[01:51:31.360 --> 01:51:37.360]  So with that in mind, how do they have the gumption to say I have probable cause?
[01:51:37.360 --> 01:51:40.360]  You know, you taught me and I like the lesson.
[01:51:40.360 --> 01:51:42.360]  When somebody pulls you over, what's the emergency?
[01:51:42.360 --> 01:51:43.360]  How can I help?
[01:51:43.360 --> 01:51:45.360]  You know, you're basically saying what's your probable cause, officer?
[01:51:45.360 --> 01:51:46.360]  Am I free to go?
[01:51:46.360 --> 01:51:47.360]  What's going on here?
[01:51:47.360 --> 01:51:52.360]  I mean, how do they have the gumption to try to say, yes, I have reasonable doubt that you might have done something?
[01:51:52.360 --> 01:51:53.360]  I mean, it's not.
[01:51:53.360 --> 01:51:54.360]  It's just not.
[01:51:54.360 --> 01:51:59.360]  Because they have the perceived reality that the law gives them the right to do whatever they want
[01:51:59.360 --> 01:52:02.360]  Because they're on one side of it and we're the other.
[01:52:02.360 --> 01:52:04.360]  That's where they think they get it.
[01:52:04.360 --> 01:52:06.360]  I'd love to hear from Rick in California on this one.
[01:52:06.360 --> 01:52:12.360]  I know he's really getting really good at this, but I've enjoyed watching his YouTube videos as well.
[01:52:12.360 --> 01:52:15.360]  I thank you all very much for your labor of love and what you're doing.
[01:52:15.360 --> 01:52:18.360]  And I hope you guys have more to say on this before you take the next call.
[01:52:18.360 --> 01:52:20.360]  But if not, so be it.
[01:52:20.360 --> 01:52:22.360]  But this whole conversation has been very fascinating.
[01:52:22.360 --> 01:52:24.360]  It's kind of broken my heart to hear you guys.
[01:52:24.360 --> 01:52:26.360]  It's almost like you're at each other's throats.
[01:52:26.360 --> 01:52:29.360]  But I know that you guys still respect each other and hopefully that will continue.
[01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:30.360]  Keep in mind.
[01:52:30.360 --> 01:52:31.360]  Oh, yeah.
[01:52:31.360 --> 01:52:32.360]  Yeah, no problem there.
[01:52:32.360 --> 01:52:34.360]  I want boxing gloves.
[01:52:34.360 --> 01:52:37.360]  And I'm going to put lead in mine.
[01:52:37.360 --> 01:52:39.360]  Hey, Randy, you still owe me.
[01:52:39.360 --> 01:52:41.360]  So I'm looking for you to get back with me.
[01:52:41.360 --> 01:52:43.360]  I'll leave it at that.
[01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:48.360]  And then I'll get him a stool where he can stand on it to hit me.
[01:52:48.360 --> 01:52:49.360]  All right.
[01:52:49.360 --> 01:52:50.360]  Good night.
[01:52:50.360 --> 01:52:52.360]  I hope you guys can continue the conversation while I'm off the air.
[01:52:52.360 --> 01:52:53.360]  Thanks a lot.
[01:52:53.360 --> 01:52:54.360]  Bye-bye.
[01:52:54.360 --> 01:52:56.360]  Bye-bye.
[01:52:56.360 --> 01:52:59.360]  Yeah, but in regards to those laws, that's exactly what they want.
[01:52:59.360 --> 01:53:08.360]  They want to be able to treat you differently in these fine-only cases so that you're not allowed to introduce a defense.
[01:53:08.360 --> 01:53:10.360]  It's really what it boils down to.
[01:53:10.360 --> 01:53:19.360]  They've got the system rigged, especially here in Texas, if not everywhere, where you do not get the same rights of discovery,
[01:53:19.360 --> 01:53:27.360]  rules of evidence, examining trials, probable cause determinations.
[01:53:27.360 --> 01:53:31.360]  In a Class C fine-only misdemeanor, that's it.
[01:53:31.360 --> 01:53:37.360]  You're just basically held upside down by your heels and shaken until your wallet falls out.
[01:53:37.360 --> 01:53:39.360]  And that's exactly what they do.
[01:53:39.360 --> 01:53:45.360]  This is exactly the reason that I called today and scheduled this meeting with my state representative,
[01:53:45.360 --> 01:53:53.360]  because I'm fixing to start wrapping knuckles against anybody that comes up and tries to grab me by my ankles and shake my wallet out.
[01:53:53.360 --> 01:53:59.360]  And then when the wrap don't work, I'm going to take a sledgehammer and smack it.
[01:53:59.360 --> 01:54:03.360]  And that's where the lawsuit parts go and come in.
[01:54:03.360 --> 01:54:12.360]  And that goes to a comment that I wanted to make while Michael's talking about, you know, how they do all of this.
[01:54:12.360 --> 01:54:20.360]  They do all of this because you and I haven't done exactly what Eddie's talking about doing.
[01:54:20.360 --> 01:54:24.360]  They do this because we let them.
[01:54:24.360 --> 01:54:39.360]  It's easier for us to just pay the bill and go our way than to scream to the high heavens every time they step across one of our legal lines.
[01:54:39.360 --> 01:54:41.360]  Well, look, it's an ongoing battle.
[01:54:41.360 --> 01:54:46.360]  And, you know, for folks out there, you know, no broken hearts, Michael, OK?
[01:54:46.360 --> 01:54:50.360]  I mean, look, we're not really at each other's throats.
[01:54:50.360 --> 01:54:58.360]  You know, brothers and sisters scrap, you know, so, you know, it's all in good love.
[01:54:58.360 --> 01:54:59.360]  It's all in good fun.
[01:54:59.360 --> 01:55:04.360]  I mean, if we didn't beat each other up once in a while, you know, we wouldn't be good friends.
[01:55:04.360 --> 01:55:09.360]  So you should hear Eddie and I off the air.
[01:55:09.360 --> 01:55:14.360]  This is my OK.
[01:55:14.360 --> 01:55:20.360]  All right, and you don't even want to think about how much me and Randy are fighting.
[01:55:20.360 --> 01:55:24.360]  OK, we're going to go to Tim in Texas, first time caller.
[01:55:24.360 --> 01:55:25.360]  Tim, thanks for calling in.
[01:55:25.360 --> 01:55:27.360]  What's on your mind?
[01:55:27.360 --> 01:55:35.360]  Yes, that was a really fascinating conversation about God's law versus a man's law.
[01:55:35.360 --> 01:55:39.360]  And I just wanted to share my personal observations on that.
[01:55:39.360 --> 01:55:48.360]  I enjoy studying out of the Bible and I believe that you can find truth in the Bible,
[01:55:48.360 --> 01:55:51.360]  even though there may be some problems with translations overall.
[01:55:51.360 --> 01:55:56.360]  But in general, I think you can get a lot of truth from it and we can learn from it.
[01:55:56.360 --> 01:56:00.360]  And all three of you, I think, make good points.
[01:56:00.360 --> 01:56:03.360]  And I'm just going to touch on each one real quickly
[01:56:03.360 --> 01:56:06.360]  and then let Joe get back to what you're talking about if you want to comment on it, Tom.
[01:56:06.360 --> 01:56:11.360]  But Randy makes a good point about the different religions
[01:56:11.360 --> 01:56:21.360]  and that I believe that our country was set up for Christians to not be under religious rule.
[01:56:21.360 --> 01:56:27.360]  So that kind of solves the issue about the different religions.
[01:56:27.360 --> 01:56:30.360]  You know, why would we be under different laws of different religions?
[01:56:30.360 --> 01:56:32.360]  So that settles that.
[01:56:32.360 --> 01:56:39.360]  And then your references to Lord Jesus is perfect
[01:56:39.360 --> 01:56:48.360]  because we are currently living in the age of the grace of God and not under God's law.
[01:56:48.360 --> 01:56:56.360]  And so our country seems to be set up on the basis of a basic godly principle of free will,
[01:56:56.360 --> 01:57:07.360]  God's free will that we're all free to make our own decisions and act in our own lives.
[01:57:07.360 --> 01:57:14.360]  And then Eddie makes a good point in the sense that we have a strong judicial system
[01:57:14.360 --> 01:57:18.360]  that keeps everybody in check.
[01:57:18.360 --> 01:57:22.360]  So anyways, I tried to explain it as briefly as possible.
[01:57:22.360 --> 01:57:26.360]  I hope it made sense, but I just wanted to share that with you all.
[01:57:26.360 --> 01:57:28.360]  Well, appreciate that.
[01:57:28.360 --> 01:57:31.360]  And if I may, if Randy will give me the floor for just a second,
[01:57:31.360 --> 01:57:33.360]  there's something I'd like to propose out there.
[01:57:33.360 --> 01:57:36.360]  You were talking about the different interpretations of the Bible
[01:57:36.360 --> 01:57:42.360]  and I've heard lots of arguments on the fact that the Bible is not –
[01:57:42.360 --> 01:57:44.360]  there are people that say the Bible can't be true
[01:57:44.360 --> 01:57:47.360]  because it was written by a bunch of different guys and so on and so forth.
[01:57:47.360 --> 01:57:51.360]  And then Francis Bacon got his hands on it and did it this way and this way
[01:57:51.360 --> 01:57:56.360]  and made it all gel into this single thing that we know and all this.
[01:57:56.360 --> 01:58:03.360]  But there's a point there out of all of that that I don't think many people have gone beyond.
[01:58:03.360 --> 01:58:08.360]  And that is we accredit God with the ability to create universes,
[01:58:08.360 --> 01:58:12.360]  worlds beyond worlds that we know nothing about, the world we live in,
[01:58:12.360 --> 01:58:18.360]  everything of it, the ultimate understanding of thermodynamics and such.
[01:58:18.360 --> 01:58:25.360]  And yet we don't believe that He has the power to control a group of men,
[01:58:25.360 --> 01:58:30.360]  no matter how many and how diverse, to put His Word into a single set of books
[01:58:30.360 --> 01:58:34.360]  and put them together in such a way as they still harmonize
[01:58:34.360 --> 01:58:38.360]  and abide by His will for us to live by.
[01:58:38.360 --> 01:58:40.360]  He has the power.
[01:58:40.360 --> 01:58:44.360]  He chose not to do that and may put that responsibility on us.
[01:58:44.360 --> 01:58:45.360]  I disagree.
[01:58:45.360 --> 01:58:48.360]  He put the responsibility on us to abide by it.
[01:58:48.360 --> 01:58:51.360]  I don't think, however, that He left the translation
[01:58:51.360 --> 01:58:55.360]  or the putting together of His Word to chance.
[01:58:55.360 --> 01:58:59.360]  We can talk about that on the other side and that will get interesting.
[01:58:59.360 --> 01:59:01.360]  Be right back.
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