[00:09.840 --> 00:15.840]  Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme, was found dead Sunday in a swimming pool at his mansion in
[00:15.840 --> 00:17.920]  Palm Beach, Florida.
[00:17.920 --> 00:22.920]  In the last year, Pickauer's life had become a tangle of litigation arising from his disputed
[00:22.920 --> 00:25.560]  role in the Ponzi scheme.
[00:25.560 --> 00:31.240]  Invest groups called for the Nigerian government Sunday to arrest Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir,
[00:31.240 --> 00:34.920]  who was wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes.
[00:34.920 --> 00:40.020]  The NGOs added that given Nigeria's recent election to the UN Security Council, it has
[00:40.020 --> 00:45.080]  a bigger obligation to deny him a safe haven.
[00:45.080 --> 00:50.480]  Officials reported intense bombardment of the South Waziristan agency by Pakistan's
[00:50.480 --> 00:51.480]  military.
[00:51.480 --> 00:57.280]  Sunday, forces engaged in a 16-hour battle to capture a significant mountaintop.
[00:57.280 --> 01:01.960]  Fifteen militants were reported killed, as well as one Pakistani soldier.
[01:01.960 --> 01:09.160]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[01:09.160 --> 01:15.640]  A Thomson Reuters report released Monday finds the U.S. health care system is just as wasteful
[01:15.640 --> 01:18.200]  as Barack Obama says it is.
[01:18.200 --> 01:23.840]  Proposed reforms could be paid for by fixing some of the most obvious inefficiencies, preventing
[01:23.840 --> 01:26.440]  mistakes and fighting fraud.
[01:26.440 --> 01:33.080]  The report's author, Robert Kelly, said an estimated $700 billion is wasted annually,
[01:33.080 --> 01:35.880]  one-third of the nation's health care bill.
[01:35.880 --> 01:42.160]  Unnecessary care, such as the overuse of antibiotics and lab tests to protect against malpractice
[01:42.160 --> 01:49.520]  exposure, makes up 37 percent of health care waste, or $200 to $300 billion a year.
[01:49.520 --> 01:54.760]  Fraud makes up 22 percent of health care waste, or up to $200 billion a year, in fraudulent
[01:54.760 --> 02:01.640]  Medicare claims, kickbacks for referrals for unnecessary services and other scams, administrative
[02:01.640 --> 02:08.000]  inefficiency and redundant paperwork account for 18 percent of health care waste, and medical
[02:08.000 --> 02:14.600]  mistakes account for $50 to $100 billion in unnecessary spending each year, or 11 percent
[02:14.600 --> 02:17.840]  of the total.
[02:17.840 --> 02:21.960]  Congress and the Obama administration are about to take up one of the most fundamental
[02:21.960 --> 02:27.040]  issues stemming from the near collapse of the financial system last year, how to deal
[02:27.040 --> 02:32.080]  with institutions that are so big the government has no choice but to rescue them when they
[02:32.080 --> 02:33.080]  get in trouble.
[02:33.080 --> 02:38.320]  A senior administration official said Sunday, Representative Barney Frank, Chairman of
[02:38.320 --> 02:43.720]  the House Financial Services Committee, would introduce legislation as early as this week.
[02:43.720 --> 02:49.040]  The measure would make it easier for the government to seize control of troubled institutions,
[02:49.040 --> 02:54.440]  fire management, wipe out shareholders, and change the terms of existing loans held by
[02:54.440 --> 02:55.440]  the institution.
[02:55.440 --> 03:10.760]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
[03:10.760 --> 03:40.000]  talk radio at its best.
[04:41.760 --> 04:48.760]  And Dr. Graves, staying on with us from his show for a little while.
[04:48.760 --> 04:54.760]  We are live from Brave New Books with some of the updates from our set talk this week.
[04:54.760 --> 04:59.720]  We are on a big high coming off this seminar.
[04:59.720 --> 05:04.040]  It was such a huge success that people would not let us leave the bookstore last night
[05:04.040 --> 05:08.160]  until we promised to come back again tonight for more.
[05:08.160 --> 05:09.680]  They wanted more Q&A.
[05:09.680 --> 05:16.120]  So Randy and Eddie have been doing Q&A this evening from six to eight.
[05:16.120 --> 05:20.840]  And I just got here a little while ago and we are broadcasting live from Brave New Books
[05:20.840 --> 05:28.480]  right now with some of the members, some of the participants from the seminar.
[05:28.480 --> 05:33.000]  We got someone's laptop battery dying or something.
[05:33.000 --> 05:35.320]  It's all right.
[05:35.320 --> 05:37.560]  This is what happens live on location stuff.
[05:37.560 --> 05:45.160]  So anyway, I got to say, Eddie is a rock star after what happened this weekend.
[05:45.160 --> 05:47.760]  Eddie, how was it?
[05:47.760 --> 05:49.240]  How was the seminar for you?
[05:49.240 --> 05:55.760]  Not only is he a rock star, he has a face that's made for this.
[05:55.760 --> 05:57.240]  Precisely.
[05:57.240 --> 06:01.080]  And a voice too, obviously.
[06:01.080 --> 06:02.520]  I actually enjoyed it thoroughly.
[06:02.520 --> 06:04.800]  I got a whole lot out of it.
[06:04.800 --> 06:08.720]  In case anybody out there from yesterday and Saturday's listening, you'll notice I'm still
[06:08.720 --> 06:10.720]  not hoarse.
[06:10.720 --> 06:13.800]  That's because I gave him some Arnica pills.
[06:13.800 --> 06:17.600]  Arnica, very good.
[06:17.600 --> 06:21.400]  Eddie, you did a great job this weekend.
[06:21.400 --> 06:26.480]  What we did at the seminar this weekend was Eddie walked through the transportation code
[06:26.480 --> 06:31.280]  of Texas for the first day and part of the second day and went over his handout that
[06:31.280 --> 06:35.040]  he has for police when they pull him over and such.
[06:35.040 --> 06:41.160]  And then Randy and I on the second day, we went over some of our documents to be filed
[06:41.160 --> 06:44.120]  with the court in these situations of traffic tickets.
[06:44.120 --> 06:50.320]  We've got criminal complaints to be filed and civil lawsuits, counter cross complaints
[06:50.320 --> 06:55.800]  in the municipal tickets and also original petitions in the state district court for
[06:55.800 --> 06:58.040]  all kinds of lawsuits.
[06:58.040 --> 07:00.160]  And Frederick, are you there with us?
[07:00.160 --> 07:01.760]  Oh, yes.
[07:01.760 --> 07:09.200]  So Frederick, you sold a lot of jurisdiction areas, is a big hit.
[07:09.200 --> 07:12.400]  People are going to need this to be able to use some of the methods.
[07:12.400 --> 07:15.920]  We went over all the causes of action for the lawsuits and such.
[07:15.920 --> 07:18.040]  So we really appreciate it.
[07:18.040 --> 07:19.040]  Well, wonderful.
[07:19.040 --> 07:23.680]  I think it's fun when we explain to people that this really isn't rocket science.
[07:23.680 --> 07:24.760]  It's really very simple.
[07:24.760 --> 07:26.720]  Just like the game of baseball, there's rules.
[07:26.720 --> 07:31.280]  If you want to win, you have to understand the rules.
[07:31.280 --> 07:34.600]  Absolutely.
[07:34.600 --> 07:40.320]  And after this weekend, they understand a lot more of the rules.
[07:40.320 --> 07:41.320]  Good.
[07:41.320 --> 07:42.320]  Absolutely.
[07:42.320 --> 07:44.260]  And how to use them.
[07:44.260 --> 07:50.480]  So Dr. Graves, tell us some about what happened with you over the weekend.
[07:50.480 --> 07:55.080]  You were at an event on Saturday also regarding a 10th Amendment resolutions.
[07:55.080 --> 07:56.880]  What state was this?
[07:56.880 --> 08:05.960]  We were in Ohio, and I was invited to speak alongside State Senator Timothy Grendel, who
[08:05.960 --> 08:15.240]  was actually able and has in fact gotten the state Senate to pass a resolution with regard
[08:15.240 --> 08:23.960]  to the rights and obligations of the Ohio state government pursuant to the 10th Amendment,
[08:23.960 --> 08:29.080]  which of course limits the powers of the federal government and reserves everything that's
[08:29.080 --> 08:35.440]  not specifically granted to the federal government or prohibited to the states to remain in the
[08:35.440 --> 08:36.440]  states.
[08:36.440 --> 08:40.600]  So he was able to get a resolution, which really is a wonderful thing, but it's really
[08:40.600 --> 08:46.840]  not much more than saying it's more of a, gee, we wish this would happen.
[08:46.840 --> 08:52.880]  And so the other people there at the meeting, including our leader in Mount Vernon, Michael
[08:52.880 --> 08:59.560]  Young, they're working with a coalition to amend the Constitution, to actually begin
[08:59.560 --> 09:06.520]  to put some teeth into this so that the government itself, of course you know that the people
[09:06.520 --> 09:12.200]  have a right to amend their state Constitution, and it's done all the time.
[09:12.200 --> 09:17.640]  I mean, the Florida people actually amended their Constitution a couple of years ago.
[09:17.640 --> 09:20.880]  It had something to do with how you treat pigs.
[09:20.880 --> 09:22.560]  And now it's not a matter of statute.
[09:22.560 --> 09:24.760]  It's not a matter that the legislature said that.
[09:24.760 --> 09:30.520]  It's the people themselves passed a law that's part of the Constitution of the state that
[09:30.520 --> 09:35.440]  has to do with how people can treat or contain or whatever, something about pigs.
[09:35.440 --> 09:41.160]  Well, what we're seeing now in Ohio and some of the other states is this movement to not
[09:41.160 --> 09:47.840]  only have a resolution by the legislature, but actually have an amendment to the state
[09:47.840 --> 09:56.520]  Constitution that now obligates the legislature and the courts and everyone in the state to
[09:56.520 --> 10:00.680]  support what the resolution is talking about, because really the resolution doesn't do a
[10:00.680 --> 10:02.800]  whole lot more than just talk about it.
[10:02.800 --> 10:07.280]  But an amendment to the Constitution, which is the voice of the people, that's how the
[10:07.280 --> 10:12.480]  law works, that's the opportunity that we have in this country, will in fact force the
[10:12.480 --> 10:20.480]  government to actually take action to defend the people of the state of Ohio from further
[10:20.480 --> 10:25.960]  federal encroachment into the state that violates the federal Constitution.
[10:25.960 --> 10:31.220]  See, if the federal government isn't allowed to violate the Constitution any more than
[10:31.220 --> 10:37.360]  anyone else, but who's going to hold their feet to the fire if the states don't do it?
[10:37.360 --> 10:40.980]  Indeed, absolutely.
[10:40.980 --> 10:45.360]  And I heard some of your show tonight, it was very impressive, talking about the global
[10:45.360 --> 10:49.680]  government, the encroaching, what they're trying to do with the possible global government
[10:49.680 --> 10:54.760]  and how we've got to stop this or else our republic is not going to stand.
[10:54.760 --> 11:00.200]  I thought that was very impressive because that's exactly what's going on.
[11:00.200 --> 11:06.460]  And what we did over the weekend here with the traffic seminar, we're teaching people
[11:06.460 --> 11:12.840]  step-by-step how that they can fight back with just simple things like traffic tickets
[11:12.840 --> 11:18.480]  and using some of your methods of how to file lawsuits, pro se, the causes of actions, some
[11:18.480 --> 11:25.320]  of Randy's methods with the criminal complaints, and just in general teaching people the law,
[11:25.320 --> 11:26.840]  just how to read the law.
[11:26.840 --> 11:32.860]  And what Eddie has found and what he's discussing over the weekend is the terminology that they
[11:32.860 --> 11:37.640]  have tricked us here in Texas and probably most likely every other state, because the
[11:37.640 --> 11:44.160]  transportation codes are pretty similar from state to state, that all these rules and regulations
[11:44.160 --> 11:49.720]  about driver's licenses and license tags and inspection stickers and all these kinds of
[11:49.720 --> 11:55.640]  things and speed limits, none of this applies to us unless we are engaged in commerce on
[11:55.640 --> 11:57.920]  the public roadways.
[11:57.920 --> 12:03.400]  And that does not include going to work in your own private automobile.
[12:03.400 --> 12:08.840]  You have to actually be engaged in some sort of commerce on the roadways, transporting
[12:08.840 --> 12:16.360]  goods, bringing another human being somewhere else for hire, these sorts of things.
[12:16.360 --> 12:22.680]  And unless you're doing that, none of this applies to us at all because they can't license
[12:22.680 --> 12:27.840]  a right and they didn't license a right in the law.
[12:27.840 --> 12:32.000]  The legislature didn't do it because they knew it would get shot down in the court systems.
[12:32.000 --> 12:37.360]  But what's happened is with the terminology, they use words like person and individual
[12:37.360 --> 12:42.800]  and Eddie went over all this terminology and all these words have specific legal definitions
[12:42.800 --> 12:48.880]  for them in the transportation code and sometimes the definitions vary from chapter to chapter.
[12:48.880 --> 12:54.800]  And they use this deceiving terminology of common use words that people think they know
[12:54.800 --> 12:59.880]  what these words mean in everyday language, but they mean something totally different
[12:59.880 --> 13:00.880]  in law.
[13:00.880 --> 13:02.880]  And so you have to look up all these definitions.
[13:02.880 --> 13:08.480]  So Eddie went over all that this weekend and showed us how we could use that to our advantage
[13:08.480 --> 13:10.080]  to start taking our rights back.
[13:10.080 --> 13:11.080]  Right, Eddie?
[13:11.080 --> 13:12.080]  You want to address this?
[13:12.080 --> 13:13.080]  Yeah, I did.
[13:13.080 --> 13:17.380]  In fact, I've spent 11 years tearing the transportation code apart and looking through the other codes
[13:17.380 --> 13:23.960]  related to it and I found what you'd call an absolute goldmine in our state administrative
[13:23.960 --> 13:28.360]  code that actually creates the Department of Public Safety and outlines what its duties
[13:28.360 --> 13:34.600]  and authorities are, including the authority to regulate commercial vehicle traffic and
[13:34.600 --> 13:39.720]  commercial use of the roads and that all the chapters they're using against us in our transportation
[13:39.720 --> 13:46.360]  code are directly dealt with in the administrative code as a delegated powers for our state troopers
[13:46.360 --> 13:50.080]  to manage only in commercial instances.
[13:50.080 --> 13:55.560]  And it's very specific that when that power is delegated to a local law enforcement office,
[13:55.560 --> 14:02.400]  whether it be sheriff, constable, or municipality, that their authority is extremely limited.
[14:02.400 --> 14:06.880]  It only occurs in certain places and it is only allowed to be exercised against very
[14:06.880 --> 14:13.140]  specific types of vehicles that are susceptible to the rules under one chapter of the transportation
[14:13.140 --> 14:15.560]  code, which is our safety code.
[14:15.560 --> 14:20.960]  And under that same thing, it also sets a territorial limitation of population.
[14:20.960 --> 14:26.960]  In a particular city, it must be located in a particular place with a particular population.
[14:26.960 --> 14:32.680]  And a county must be located for the sheriff or the constable to enforce bordering either
[14:32.680 --> 14:37.720]  the Mexican states or a county with a port of entry.
[14:37.720 --> 14:43.040]  So basically speaking, they've been stealing hand over fist from everybody for several
[14:43.040 --> 14:49.000]  decades now, and I went through all that and I explained it and I am assuming everybody
[14:49.000 --> 14:53.400]  liked the presentation if they didn't go deaf or have me shatter all their kidney stones
[14:53.400 --> 14:54.400]  with my voice.
[14:54.400 --> 14:58.760]  And he was getting pretty excited there.
[14:58.760 --> 15:04.480]  But that being said, there was a very interesting question based upon things in my experience
[15:04.480 --> 15:07.800]  in court that I've always wanted to have the chance to get on the radio and ask you, Dr.
[15:07.800 --> 15:10.080]  Graves, if you'd be willing to give a shot at it.
[15:10.080 --> 15:16.480]  Well, go ahead, I don't know the answers to every question, Eddie, but go ahead.
[15:16.480 --> 15:19.640]  Well, from your experience, I bet you'll know this one.
[15:19.640 --> 15:27.640]  How do you reply to a judge who insists that the Constitution does not apply in their court?
[15:27.640 --> 15:31.040]  I'm sorry, time.
[15:31.040 --> 15:34.140]  What's that, Dr. Graves?
[15:34.140 --> 15:37.440]  I'm sorry, just a moment.
[15:37.440 --> 15:38.440]  That's my computer.
[15:38.440 --> 15:40.200]  Oh, he didn't hear you.
[15:40.200 --> 15:43.520]  Yeah, his computer is breaking up on him.
[15:43.520 --> 15:46.880]  Please, please, one more time, Eddie, I'm sorry.
[15:46.880 --> 15:53.280]  Okay, the question was, how do you recommend going about dealing with a judge who insists
[15:53.280 --> 15:58.080]  that the Constitution does not apply in their courtroom and if you mention it again, you'll
[15:58.080 --> 15:59.080]  be held in contempt?
[15:59.080 --> 16:07.400]  Well, you know, I've heard those reports and I think one way to get around it is to cite
[16:07.400 --> 16:14.520]  appellate law that cites the Constitution because they do that all the time and they
[16:14.520 --> 16:16.320]  can't refuse you there.
[16:16.320 --> 16:19.920]  So if they're going to be hard-nosed about that, I think it's wrong, I think it's stupid,
[16:19.920 --> 16:22.780]  I think it's something that happens all the time.
[16:22.780 --> 16:27.760]  But the one thing that you do have a right to cite, of course, are decisions of the Texas
[16:27.760 --> 16:32.960]  Supreme Court, decisions of the United States Supreme Court, and decisions of your local
[16:32.960 --> 16:36.960]  appellate courts that do cite the Constitution.
[16:36.960 --> 16:42.800]  Okay, listen, we are going to break, so, Dr. Grant, are you going to be able to stay with
[16:42.800 --> 16:44.840]  us for a few more minutes?
[16:44.840 --> 16:46.880]  Just a few, then I've got to start my other show.
[16:46.880 --> 16:50.760]  Okay, yeah, if you could stay with us just for about five minutes and then...
[16:50.760 --> 16:51.760]  That'll be fine.
[16:51.760 --> 16:59.560]  Okay, great, we'll be right back on the other side, this is the law.
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[17:03.120 --> 17:04.120]  Boring!
[17:04.120 --> 17:07.040]  I'm confused by words like the Constitution or the Federal Reserve.
[17:07.040 --> 17:08.040]  What?
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[18:57.400 --> 19:21.200]  We've got Randy Kelton, who just took a quick break.
[19:21.200 --> 19:23.500]  He's not here right at the particular moment.
[19:23.500 --> 19:25.800]  We've got Eddie Craig with us and Dr. Graves.
[19:25.800 --> 19:30.360]  We've got some of our audience here from the seminar with us live here at Brave New Books,
[19:30.360 --> 19:35.200]  and Dr. Graves, if you could please continue the answer to Eddie's question.
[19:35.200 --> 19:41.620]  Well, like my granddad said, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and clearly without
[19:41.620 --> 19:49.720]  any doubt at all, at least with my practice for 23 years in Florida, the appellate justices
[19:49.720 --> 19:53.280]  and the appellate courts and the fourth district court of appeal, the second district, the
[19:53.280 --> 19:58.320]  fifth district and so forth in Florida, and the Florida Supreme Court, and of course the
[19:58.320 --> 20:04.480]  United States Supreme Court, those decisions of the Supreme Court control the trial judge.
[20:04.480 --> 20:05.920]  They control him.
[20:05.920 --> 20:10.880]  They control him in such a way that if he refuses to abide by the opinions of the appellate
[20:10.880 --> 20:16.920]  justices, then he knows that if you have the courage and the wherewithal and the knowledge
[20:16.920 --> 20:20.240]  to appeal, that he will lose on appeal.
[20:20.240 --> 20:25.720]  And I've said this so many times, it sort of amazes people, it amazed me when I finally
[20:25.720 --> 20:30.400]  realized it, they didn't teach us this in law school, and that is that ultimately the
[20:30.400 --> 20:36.580]  only control you have over a judge is the threat of an appeal and the eventuality of
[20:36.580 --> 20:39.080]  actually carrying through with that threat.
[20:39.080 --> 20:41.360]  So how do you do that?
[20:41.360 --> 20:45.560]  Going in there and saying, well, your honor, this is what the statute says.
[20:45.560 --> 20:47.120]  That doesn't create a threat.
[20:47.120 --> 20:51.320]  Or going in there and saying, well, this is what the Constitution says.
[20:51.320 --> 20:52.320]  That doesn't create a threat.
[20:52.320 --> 20:57.160]  And let me tell you why, and get this in your minds and let it stick if you want to actually
[20:57.160 --> 20:59.440]  get these people under control.
[20:59.440 --> 21:05.200]  The thing that actually makes the judge sit up and take notice is when you tell him that
[21:05.200 --> 21:11.920]  those who are over him have interpreted the Constitution in this particular way.
[21:11.920 --> 21:15.640]  Now, that is grounds for appeal.
[21:15.640 --> 21:20.640]  Not only is it grounds for appeal, but it puts the judge on notice that if he does not
[21:20.640 --> 21:26.160]  listen to you and he does not do what the appellate courts say should be done in that
[21:26.160 --> 21:30.720]  particular situation, in that particular case you mentioned, pursuant to constitutional
[21:30.720 --> 21:34.840]  provisions, that when you appeal, he will be embarrassed.
[21:34.840 --> 21:37.240]  His fellow judges will be laughing at him.
[21:37.240 --> 21:39.240]  It will be on the record forever.
[21:39.240 --> 21:43.000]  And if he gets appealed enough times, they will vote him out of office if you're dealing
[21:43.000 --> 21:47.600]  with state judges, many of whom are not appointed, but they're elected to office.
[21:47.600 --> 21:50.520]  That's the power you have, is the power of appeal.
[21:50.520 --> 21:52.640]  Most people don't figure that out.
[21:52.640 --> 21:56.380]  It doesn't seem to be an apparent thing, but it is.
[21:56.380 --> 21:58.000]  And how do you appeal them?
[21:58.000 --> 22:01.880]  Your opinion of the Constitution doesn't mean spit.
[22:01.880 --> 22:06.800]  Your opinion of what a statute means doesn't mean spit.
[22:06.800 --> 22:11.080]  But the opinion, for example, where I practiced in Martin County, Palm Beach County, Okeechobee
[22:11.080 --> 22:14.920]  County in Indian River County in Florida, they're all under the Fourth District Court
[22:14.920 --> 22:19.280]  of Appeal, and of course everybody's under the Florida Supreme Court and the United States
[22:19.280 --> 22:20.560]  Supreme Court.
[22:20.560 --> 22:27.020]  So when I go in front of a judge, many of whom are younger than me, and I go before
[22:27.020 --> 22:31.560]  a judge and I tell the judge, well, excuse me, Your Honor, but the Fourth District Court
[22:31.560 --> 22:36.680]  of Appeal and the Florida Supreme Court say that this is what has to happen in this particular
[22:36.680 --> 22:37.680]  situation.
[22:37.680 --> 22:39.880]  So it's up to you, pal.
[22:39.880 --> 22:41.360]  You want to be appealed?
[22:41.360 --> 22:42.360]  Go ahead against me.
[22:42.360 --> 22:45.720]  But if you don't want to be appealed, then you better listen to what these people say,
[22:45.720 --> 22:49.640]  and in your question, to address it to your question, then you better pay attention to
[22:49.640 --> 22:52.720]  what these people say the Constitution says.
[22:52.720 --> 22:55.680]  The judge doesn't care what I say the Constitution says.
[22:55.680 --> 23:01.000]  It may sound strange to say the judge doesn't care what the Constitution says, but the reality
[23:01.000 --> 23:06.840]  is the judge does care what the appellate courts say the Constitution says and how it
[23:06.840 --> 23:08.280]  should be applied.
[23:08.280 --> 23:09.280]  That's your power.
[23:09.280 --> 23:11.280]  Well, I like the answer.
[23:11.280 --> 23:16.800]  I took a slightly different track in handling it the first time I heard it, however.
[23:16.800 --> 23:22.840]  Our Texas Constitution says that no one shall be accused of treason except by the testimony
[23:22.840 --> 23:30.360]  of two witnesses unless it is committed in open court, in which case I had a friend of
[23:30.360 --> 23:35.600]  mine with me who I immediately had sign a second affidavit witnessing treason by the
[23:35.600 --> 23:41.240]  judge in that regard, and I attempted to file a criminal complaint against them with those
[23:41.240 --> 23:42.240]  two affidavits.
[23:42.240 --> 23:45.400]  Well, how's that working for you?
[23:45.400 --> 23:49.280]  Well, you can't seem to get the DA to let you into the grand jury with it, but I'll
[23:49.280 --> 23:50.280]  work it on her next.
[23:50.280 --> 23:51.280]  Yeah.
[23:51.280 --> 23:56.160]  Well, the DA doesn't have the authority to prevent us from accessing the grand jury.
[23:56.160 --> 24:03.340]  In fact, that is a right that is actually statutorily enumerated in the criminal procedure
[24:03.340 --> 24:07.160]  code of Texas, so.
[24:07.160 --> 24:08.160]  That's true.
[24:08.160 --> 24:09.680]  That doesn't mean they like it any better.
[24:09.680 --> 24:12.400]  And that doesn't mean that they're not going to break the law either.
[24:12.400 --> 24:19.440]  Yeah, but let me just give you one example, and I really appreciate you wanting me to
[24:19.440 --> 24:22.200]  be on, but let me give you one example, one real example.
[24:22.200 --> 24:28.920]  It doesn't have to do with the Constitution, but I've told this story before.
[24:28.920 --> 24:35.200]  Our client came to us and said that her mother and father were suing her, and it was a terrible
[24:35.200 --> 24:41.160]  ordeal and all the sibling rivalry and all the stuff going on about a house and all that.
[24:41.160 --> 24:48.240]  But the time came, the mother and father were quite elderly, and so, of course, I have a
[24:48.240 --> 24:51.400]  right to take the deposition of both the mother and the father.
[24:51.400 --> 24:55.400]  So I set the mother for deposition, scheduled her, gave her the notice, gave her attorney
[24:55.400 --> 24:56.400]  the notice.
[24:56.400 --> 25:01.600]  And I filed a motion for protective order, said she was too old and infirm and medically
[25:01.600 --> 25:05.240]  unfit to sit for a deposition.
[25:05.240 --> 25:07.720]  So the judge agreed with it.
[25:07.720 --> 25:13.920]  The judge signed an order, a protective order, saying I couldn't take the plaintiff's deposition.
[25:13.920 --> 25:16.480]  So I don't fool around.
[25:16.480 --> 25:18.760]  I filed a petition for writ of certiorari.
[25:18.760 --> 25:19.760]  It's a type of appeal.
[25:19.760 --> 25:21.800]  It's an interlocutory appeal.
[25:21.800 --> 25:29.520]  And I argued to the 4th District Court of Appeal that, excuse me, this is the plaintiff.
[25:29.520 --> 25:34.180]  If I can't take the plaintiff's deposition, then the plaintiff can't be the plaintiff.
[25:34.180 --> 25:39.040]  So take your pick, either withdraw from the lawsuit as a plaintiff and drop your charges
[25:39.040 --> 25:42.360]  against your daughter or sit for the deposition.
[25:42.360 --> 25:46.820]  Now the judge had told me I couldn't do it, could not depose the old lady.
[25:46.820 --> 25:51.400]  But the 4th District Court of Appeal, I think it's unheard of, I think I filed this thing
[25:51.400 --> 25:52.800]  on a Thursday.
[25:52.800 --> 25:59.360]  On Tuesday, the next week, the opinion came down telling that judge that by heaven, he
[25:59.360 --> 26:01.920]  will be able to depose that woman.
[26:01.920 --> 26:05.260]  Now you see, judges don't like that.
[26:05.260 --> 26:09.340]  But the problem is, most judges sit up there, number one, they look around, they don't see
[26:09.340 --> 26:10.340]  a court reporter.
[26:10.340 --> 26:15.960]  They figure, well, he can't appeal because there's no court reporter to make a record.
[26:15.960 --> 26:20.840]  Or they listen there a while and they realize, gee, well, he didn't object on the record.
[26:20.840 --> 26:23.400]  He didn't file his objection in a proper way.
[26:23.400 --> 26:25.400]  He doesn't have the proper grounds for the objection.
[26:25.400 --> 26:27.260]  So he can't appeal because he didn't object.
[26:27.260 --> 26:29.280]  You can't object for the first time on appeal.
[26:29.280 --> 26:30.720]  This is all in my course.
[26:30.720 --> 26:34.480]  So if you don't do these things, the judge knows you can't appeal.
[26:34.480 --> 26:38.280]  And if you can't appeal, the judges can do whatever they want to do.
[26:38.280 --> 26:41.120]  So what we have to teach people is how do you control the judges?
[26:41.120 --> 26:47.320]  And the answer is, you control the judges by citing appellate cases that are covering
[26:47.320 --> 26:48.480]  his jurisdiction.
[26:48.480 --> 26:49.640]  They are his bosses.
[26:49.640 --> 26:54.680]  They are the people who will overrule him, overturn him, or remand the case back to him
[26:54.680 --> 26:57.440]  with instructions, all of which is very embarrassing.
[26:57.440 --> 26:58.880]  They don't like it.
[26:58.880 --> 27:00.040]  And that's how you do it.
[27:00.040 --> 27:04.840]  So if you want a judge to know what the Constitution says about a particular issue, don't you be
[27:04.840 --> 27:06.360]  the one that tells him.
[27:06.360 --> 27:11.920]  You go find appellate decisions that control that judge, that control that jurisdiction,
[27:11.920 --> 27:13.120]  cite it, get it written.
[27:13.120 --> 27:14.920]  Don't just talk about it in court.
[27:14.920 --> 27:16.440]  Be sure you have a court reporter.
[27:16.440 --> 27:18.000]  Make your proper objections.
[27:18.000 --> 27:19.400]  Make that judge understand.
[27:19.400 --> 27:24.560]  Ask nicely that you're not a fool, that you are able and willing to appeal him.
[27:24.560 --> 27:25.560]  And guess what?
[27:25.560 --> 27:28.640]  You start getting your way.
[27:28.640 --> 27:31.000]  That's excellent information, Dr. Graves.
[27:31.000 --> 27:32.640]  It really is.
[27:32.640 --> 27:37.720]  I mean, because so many times I've seen common mistakes that people make in their motions
[27:37.720 --> 27:42.760]  and pleadings and affidavits is that they try to tell the court their interpretation
[27:42.760 --> 27:46.540]  of the law or their opinion, and that's just not going to fly.
[27:46.540 --> 27:48.800]  You have to come with case law and statute.
[27:48.800 --> 27:52.120]  And the judge is only going to look at those appellate court decisions.
[27:52.120 --> 27:53.120]  That's right.
[27:53.120 --> 27:54.600]  Nobody cares what your opinion is.
[27:54.600 --> 27:58.480]  Now, you'd be all upset about that if you want to, but if you'll do the thing the way
[27:58.480 --> 28:03.360]  we teach in our jurisdictionary and you find the appellate court decisions that agree with
[28:03.360 --> 28:08.640]  you and you cite them properly and you file memoranda the way we show you how to do, step
[28:08.640 --> 28:15.800]  by step, then the judge says, uh-oh, you know, I remember I had a judge who refused to read
[28:15.800 --> 28:17.680]  something.
[28:17.680 --> 28:20.120]  He said, well, he said, well, Mr. Graves, that's too long.
[28:20.120 --> 28:21.120]  I'm too busy.
[28:21.120 --> 28:22.240]  I don't have time to read that.
[28:22.240 --> 28:25.520]  And I said, well, excuse me, Your Honor, the Fourth District Court of Appeals says you
[28:25.520 --> 28:26.520]  have to read it.
[28:26.520 --> 28:33.400]  Here's the citations, you know, Jones versus Smith, 486 Southern Second, 292, at page 2,
[28:33.400 --> 28:34.840]  whatever.
[28:34.840 --> 28:36.560]  And he sat up and guess what?
[28:36.560 --> 28:37.560]  He had to read it.
[28:37.560 --> 28:41.280]  And after he read it, he found out that what I was arguing was what it should be.
[28:41.280 --> 28:46.240]  I got my way, not because I said he had to read it, but because I said, well, excuse
[28:46.240 --> 28:49.080]  me, the Fourth District Court of Appeals says you have to read it.
[28:49.080 --> 28:51.120]  You want to play games with me, Judge?
[28:51.120 --> 28:53.840]  Bring it on.
[28:53.840 --> 29:01.800]  This is what I keep telling people, is that you can spin a good story to the judge from
[29:01.800 --> 29:06.620]  your personal opinion, and he may agree with you.
[29:06.620 --> 29:13.240]  But if you don't give him law that supports your opinion, he has no authority to follow
[29:13.240 --> 29:14.240]  your opinion.
[29:14.240 --> 29:16.880]  You have to give him something to work with.
[29:16.880 --> 29:17.880]  That's right.
[29:17.880 --> 29:18.880]  That's right.
[29:18.880 --> 29:21.680]  You guys are doing a good thing.
[29:21.680 --> 29:24.840]  I wish I could stick around, but I've got some other people who want to chat with me,
[29:24.840 --> 29:25.960]  and I really appreciate it.
[29:25.960 --> 29:26.960]  We'll talk to you soon.
[29:26.960 --> 29:27.960]  God bless.
[29:27.960 --> 29:28.960]  That's fine.
[29:28.960 --> 29:29.960]  Thank you, Dr. Graves, for joining us.
[29:29.960 --> 29:32.640]  We're about to go to break right now anyway.
[29:32.640 --> 29:37.080]  Thank you very much again, Dr. Graves, and we'll talk to you soon.
[29:37.080 --> 29:38.080]  Night night.
[29:38.080 --> 29:39.080]  Bye.
[29:39.080 --> 29:40.080]  Good night.
[29:40.080 --> 29:45.520]  In fact, we're gonna bring on some of our seminar participants as guests here live at
[29:45.520 --> 29:49.600]  Brave New Books so they can talk about the seminar and what they got out of it.
[29:49.600 --> 29:53.160]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
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[30:59.080 --> 31:13.640]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the government them, prosecute them.
[31:13.640 --> 31:14.640]  Okay.
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[31:17.640 --> 31:18.640]  Okay.
[31:18.640 --> 31:38.200]  I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the government them, prosecute them.
[31:38.200 --> 31:39.200]  Okay.
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[31:50.200 --> 31:51.200]  Great stuff.
[31:51.200 --> 31:52.200]  And we'll come with myself.
[31:52.200 --> 31:53.200]  Everyone watching.
[31:53.200 --> 31:54.200]  Yep.
[31:54.200 --> 31:55.200]  Okay.
[31:55.200 --> 31:56.200]  Okay.
[31:56.200 --> 31:57.200]  Okay.
[31:57.200 --> 31:58.300]  Give me your hands up in the science field.
[31:58.300 --> 31:59.300]  Wonderful.
[31:59.300 --> 32:28.260]  This is Deborah Stevens, I'm here with Kate Craig, Randy Kelton, and we are also here
[32:28.260 --> 32:31.940]  with one of our seminar participants and one of our listeners, Kathy.
[32:31.940 --> 32:34.220]  Kathy, thank you for joining us on the air tonight.
[32:34.220 --> 32:36.500]  Oh, I'm delighted to be with you guys.
[32:36.500 --> 32:39.580]  And so we've had so much fun this weekend, I can't even tell you.
[32:39.580 --> 32:43.260]  Yeah, tell us what it was like this weekend.
[32:43.260 --> 32:52.100]  It was like brain freeze and so much information so fast, and yet we're just now kind of digesting
[32:52.100 --> 32:53.980]  it and getting it going.
[32:53.980 --> 33:01.660]  So I know that we're going to just go away from here and be a force to change the world,
[33:01.660 --> 33:02.660]  I know.
[33:02.660 --> 33:07.820]  And one of the things that Eddie covered too, when we covered all the traffic information,
[33:07.820 --> 33:13.600]  he was suggesting that you go into court with a battery of witnesses.
[33:13.600 --> 33:17.260]  And that seems to be going to be a really powerful tool that we can use.
[33:17.260 --> 33:21.580]  And I'm looking forward to someone calling me and saying, come and witness my trial.
[33:21.580 --> 33:23.500]  I don't want to be in trouble myself.
[33:23.500 --> 33:24.980]  I don't want to be on that side of it.
[33:24.980 --> 33:31.900]  But I would just love to sit behind you and witness and use the tactics that Eddie's proposed
[33:31.900 --> 33:35.660]  that they just, they can't not work.
[33:35.660 --> 33:37.060]  It's just going to be great.
[33:37.060 --> 33:42.300]  And so everybody get in action, go, anybody you know with a ticket, just go with them.
[33:42.300 --> 33:46.220]  Even if you don't know what to do, I think just show up.
[33:46.220 --> 33:51.220]  I was in court a couple of weeks ago and I had two people there with me.
[33:51.220 --> 33:57.620]  The prosecutor and my attorney were up before the judge and they're arguing back and forth
[33:57.620 --> 34:00.820]  and the judge is not paying any attention to him.
[34:00.820 --> 34:04.000]  He's staring out there at the three of us.
[34:04.000 --> 34:08.060]  He seemed unable to stop looking at us.
[34:08.060 --> 34:13.220]  And I have no doubt it's because I had other people with me.
[34:13.220 --> 34:17.780]  He knows there are people there over which he has no authority whatsoever and they're
[34:17.780 --> 34:19.660]  watching him.
[34:19.660 --> 34:23.260]  And they all have pens and paper and they're dressed nicely.
[34:23.260 --> 34:27.780]  And that's very scary to the people on the other side of that railing.
[34:27.780 --> 34:32.780]  It's really scary at the moment when he does or says something he knows he shouldn't and
[34:32.780 --> 34:35.440]  everybody starts to furiously write.
[34:35.440 --> 34:36.540]  That's a real key.
[34:36.540 --> 34:39.500]  Something's going on out there and they're on to what he's doing.
[34:39.500 --> 34:44.060]  You'd be surprised the kind of effect that can have there.
[34:44.060 --> 34:49.740]  People suddenly just, I've watched them sit back and just reconsider what they were doing
[34:49.740 --> 34:52.180]  and completely change their statement sometimes.
[34:52.180 --> 34:53.620]  Wait, I misspoke.
[34:53.620 --> 34:54.620]  Let me adjust.
[34:54.620 --> 34:59.020]  Some, you know, and occasionally they'll try to mow on and hope that they're wrong about
[34:59.020 --> 35:04.500]  what they think they're seeing, but eventually they're going to find out they weren't.
[35:04.500 --> 35:09.060]  The other thing I learned from Eddie this weekend that I did not understand is if you
[35:09.060 --> 35:18.660]  have people sitting behind you witnessing and you have witnessed a miscarriage of process,
[35:18.660 --> 35:26.500]  procedure, whatever it may be, his strategy is basically to say, okay, you've done this,
[35:26.500 --> 35:30.420]  turn to the witnesses and say, you saw this, this happened.
[35:30.420 --> 35:37.660]  Everybody writes down, yes, I wrote that down, I saw this offense by this judge and the part
[35:37.660 --> 35:46.100]  that I didn't understand is you can have a valid sworn affidavit by two people simply
[35:46.100 --> 35:47.100]  signing.
[35:47.100 --> 35:50.340]  By the testimony of two men, the thing is so.
[35:50.340 --> 35:53.140]  And you do not have to go out and get a notary.
[35:53.140 --> 35:57.420]  You simply have to have two people sitting there seeing it, signing, I'll sign yours,
[35:57.420 --> 35:58.420]  you sign mine.
[35:58.420 --> 36:04.460]  We've got a whole stack of valid, verified complaints that can just go right to the clerk
[36:04.460 --> 36:06.260]  around the corner.
[36:06.260 --> 36:11.540]  And that's a powerful tool and I think that's part of what the judge knows is going on.
[36:11.540 --> 36:12.540]  So let's go do that.
[36:12.540 --> 36:15.940]  That would be fun.
[36:15.940 --> 36:16.940]  This has been fun.
[36:16.940 --> 36:22.460]  And this is what I was, we were having a discussion earlier and I was telling them about how this
[36:22.460 --> 36:28.740]  is your duty and you owe it to everybody to go out here and make these public officials
[36:28.740 --> 36:31.020]  do what they're supposed to.
[36:31.020 --> 36:40.900]  Besides, it's fun and it is a hoot that we had Keith from Houston call in.
[36:40.900 --> 36:48.860]  And that was the remark he made that for all of the trouble of doing this, nothing he had
[36:48.860 --> 36:59.780]  ever done gave him such an experience of freedom that he's no longer so afraid of these individuals.
[36:59.780 --> 37:04.460]  Now he knows he can go in and fight with them.
[37:04.460 --> 37:07.940]  And so he doesn't feel that they're mercy anymore.
[37:07.940 --> 37:13.140]  And for me, that's worth all of the trouble that I've went through doing all of this.
[37:13.140 --> 37:15.440]  I am definitely not afraid of them.
[37:15.440 --> 37:19.040]  I don't have to fear my every move.
[37:19.040 --> 37:23.580]  And if you'll go to a Michael Bednarik seminar, you'll understand how nice it is to say it's
[37:23.580 --> 37:25.540]  good to be queen.
[37:25.540 --> 37:26.540]  Absolutely.
[37:26.540 --> 37:35.660]  I've been to his seminar before, he does a great seminar and from what I hear, it's getting
[37:35.660 --> 37:36.660]  better.
[37:36.660 --> 37:37.660]  Oh, it was wonderful that too.
[37:37.660 --> 37:42.300]  Did you go to the one that was here at the Wyndham?
[37:42.300 --> 37:43.300]  Yes.
[37:43.300 --> 37:44.300]  Yeah.
[37:44.300 --> 37:45.780]  He did a seminar here at Braveney Books a few years ago.
[37:45.780 --> 37:46.780]  It was awesome.
[37:46.780 --> 37:49.460]  Nun's pro-tunk, point of error.
[37:49.460 --> 37:51.140]  He said it's good to be king.
[37:51.140 --> 37:58.460]  Actually, in the seminar, yeah, he's saying that for us, it's good to be king for the
[37:58.460 --> 38:01.100]  men and it's good to be queen for the women.
[38:01.100 --> 38:02.940]  So yeah, that is what he said.
[38:02.940 --> 38:04.460]  I speak for myself.
[38:04.460 --> 38:06.340]  And I speak for myself as well.
[38:06.340 --> 38:10.220]  And Michael Badnarik actually did say that too.
[38:10.220 --> 38:17.840]  Now I do actually have a question back on some of the stuff that I've called in before.
[38:17.840 --> 38:23.100]  If you'll recall, we have a deposition subpoena issue bouncing back and forth and we were
[38:23.100 --> 38:29.860]  asked to come give deposition and our reply was we're happy to come give deposition.
[38:29.860 --> 38:36.100]  And according to the rule that you quoted to us in the subpoena, we'd like to see the
[38:36.100 --> 38:39.260]  written questions before we come.
[38:39.260 --> 38:48.580]  And we discussed being able to ask for travel money and not to be videotaped.
[38:48.580 --> 38:50.780]  Well the reply that we got back was very interesting.
[38:50.780 --> 38:56.580]  It was actually two lines, I received your letter, I'll take a check with me and I'll
[38:56.580 --> 39:01.180]  tell the videographer not to take your deposition.
[39:01.180 --> 39:06.940]  Not one word about questions, not one word about we're going to write anything down or
[39:06.940 --> 39:08.860]  tell you what we're going to ask.
[39:08.860 --> 39:15.780]  So the next question I have is we're going to show up anyway, we're not going to, but
[39:15.780 --> 39:18.100]  how far along do we need to do this?
[39:18.100 --> 39:25.240]  I'm expecting one more letter before the due date to say I really would like the questions.
[39:25.240 --> 39:30.260]  So the question back to you then is if I send one more request and say give me questions
[39:30.260 --> 39:37.460]  in writing, is it proper to just show up and say when I get my questions in writing I'll
[39:37.460 --> 39:41.900]  sit and read them and then at my leisure we'll do this type?
[39:41.900 --> 39:48.260]  Or what exactly is the requirement for a person who's subpoenaed to the court?
[39:48.260 --> 39:58.300]  Well the court really doesn't have plenary jurisdiction over you and he may be able to,
[39:58.300 --> 40:06.580]  until the court gives you an order to do something, then you pretty well do what you want to.
[40:06.580 --> 40:13.860]  If you go to this attorney and tell him go scratch and then he'll run to the court and
[40:13.860 --> 40:17.540]  ask the court to issue an order.
[40:17.540 --> 40:22.540]  But I was thinking of something a lot more interesting.
[40:22.540 --> 40:32.460]  If they don't send you the questions first, answer every question they give you in tie.
[40:32.460 --> 40:42.380]  You don't have to answer in English.
[40:42.380 --> 40:48.660]  If they want the questions answered, give you some time to consider your answers.
[40:48.660 --> 40:56.020]  The last thing you want to do is come in there and make an answer off the cuff and misspeak
[40:56.020 --> 40:57.980]  because you're speaking under oath.
[40:57.980 --> 41:03.060]  It still should be when you show up you should be able to say I would like to read the question
[41:03.060 --> 41:04.940]  for myself in writing.
[41:04.940 --> 41:08.820]  You want it beforehand, that's the point of the code.
[41:08.820 --> 41:15.020]  We want it like weeks in advance so that we can carefully consider our answer.
[41:15.020 --> 41:19.100]  So yeah of course in writing and weeks ahead of time.
[41:19.100 --> 41:21.220]  That's why the code requires it.
[41:21.220 --> 41:24.980]  You need to be prepared to answer the question.
[41:24.980 --> 41:30.460]  If you come down there and they ask you a question you say well I don't know or I don't
[41:30.460 --> 41:31.460]  remember.
[41:31.460 --> 41:35.580]  But that's a valid answer and that's what they're stuck with if they use the depositions.
[41:35.580 --> 41:41.260]  Then they're going to go to the judge and say our witness was non-responsive and then
[41:41.260 --> 41:44.340]  the judge is going to try to order you to respond.
[41:44.340 --> 41:47.220]  But still to what question?
[41:47.220 --> 41:48.220]  That's the point.
[41:48.220 --> 41:51.100]  That's why they need to send you the questions first.
[41:51.100 --> 41:57.340]  You should send an objection to the court.
[41:57.340 --> 42:03.380]  Complain to the court that counsel is trying to force you to come down and answer questions
[42:03.380 --> 42:10.700]  without submitting those questions to you in advance as the statute requires.
[42:10.700 --> 42:19.340]  Would that be probably just as effective to get the question to simply say that back in
[42:19.340 --> 42:25.860]  the reply to request once more the questions don't make me go to the court?
[42:25.860 --> 42:30.260]  You could probably just say in the letter that you send him next please be aware I have
[42:30.260 --> 42:33.140]  cc'd a copy of this to the court.
[42:33.140 --> 42:36.100]  Your questions would probably show up relatively quickly.
[42:36.100 --> 42:40.580]  It doesn't have to be a motion just a personal letter to the court.
[42:40.580 --> 42:41.820]  Copy of the request.
[42:41.820 --> 42:49.300]  Yes and when the judge reads it and the attorney knows the judge has read it the judge is not
[42:49.300 --> 42:56.860]  going to be a happy camper because you're just an innocent witness and for a judge for
[42:56.860 --> 43:05.580]  a process an attorney to try to he's obviously trying to manipulate you into giving the kinds
[43:05.580 --> 43:11.340]  of answers he wants you to give so he wants to bushwhack you with the questions so you're
[43:11.340 --> 43:13.420]  not prepared for the answers.
[43:13.420 --> 43:17.540]  And the feeling I get is he's just wanting to be lazy.
[43:17.540 --> 43:21.220]  I like it better to accuse him of something a lot more nefarious.
[43:21.220 --> 43:24.940]  Well we're you know we're trying to be nice about this.
[43:24.940 --> 43:26.980]  But they're attorneys.
[43:26.980 --> 43:27.980]  Well.
[43:27.980 --> 43:30.980]  Yeah the thing is you're giving him a credit.
[43:30.980 --> 43:35.860]  All right well listen listen folks we're going to break right now.
[43:35.860 --> 43:38.060]  We've got Kathy with us.
[43:38.060 --> 43:42.500]  Also got other participants here who will be joining us.
[43:42.500 --> 43:59.740]  This is Keltan and Debra Stephens and of course Eddie Craig the rock star will be right back.
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[45:49.740 --> 46:01.220]  All right, watching the sparks, I think we're on the rule of law.
[46:01.220 --> 46:04.500]  All right, callers, we see you on the board.
[46:04.500 --> 46:07.820]  Looks like we've got Denise from Maryland, Mike from Texas.
[46:07.820 --> 46:10.660]  We will be taking your calls in just a moment.
[46:10.660 --> 46:13.200]  Right now we want to bring some of the seminar participants on.
[46:13.200 --> 46:18.060]  We've got Dominic here, one of our longtime supporters and callers.
[46:18.060 --> 46:20.500]  Dominic, thanks for joining us here tonight.
[46:20.500 --> 46:21.500]  Thank you for having me.
[46:21.500 --> 46:25.380]  I just wanted to give a little feedback on this seminar this weekend.
[46:25.380 --> 46:32.460]  It was a barrel of information and it was made and it was discussed in a way that anybody
[46:32.460 --> 46:33.940]  can understand it.
[46:33.940 --> 46:39.340]  Even if we would have had lawyers and public servants and police officers in the air in
[46:39.340 --> 46:43.140]  the audience, they would have understood this guaranteed.
[46:43.140 --> 46:49.340]  Anybody that that didn't participate, I would strongly recommend the contact Deborah, Eddie
[46:49.340 --> 46:54.980]  or Randy and see if they're going to have this again, because this is a lot of information
[46:54.980 --> 46:56.900]  and it's very useful.
[46:56.900 --> 46:57.900]  Thank you, Dominic.
[46:57.900 --> 47:00.060]  And yes, we will do that again.
[47:00.060 --> 47:05.220]  My call screeners told me a few minutes ago that we have, you know, some callers calling
[47:05.220 --> 47:07.220]  in to ask if we're going to do this again.
[47:07.220 --> 47:11.700]  We will do this again, but folks, we have to have commitments from people.
[47:11.700 --> 47:17.100]  We have to have at least 30 people who are going to commit.
[47:17.100 --> 47:19.460]  And that means they have to put the money too.
[47:19.460 --> 47:25.140]  And we'll give a full refund for people if we can't work out the scheduling later, but
[47:25.140 --> 47:29.640]  we can't just put ourselves out on the limb and, you know, schedule venues and things
[47:29.640 --> 47:36.140]  like this and then, you know, have like us end up going down financially over it.
[47:36.140 --> 47:37.700]  So we need your help here.
[47:37.700 --> 47:42.940]  So people, if you want another seminar, then we need you to email us and commit with your
[47:42.940 --> 47:44.980]  pocketbook, not just your mouth.
[47:44.980 --> 47:48.300]  And we will do everything we can to accommodate everyone's schedule.
[47:48.300 --> 47:52.060]  You'll get a refund if we can't make you happy.
[47:52.060 --> 47:56.620]  We have someone in Houston who is trying to put together a seminar down there.
[47:56.620 --> 48:02.180]  So if you're in Houston or can get to Houston, let us know.
[48:02.180 --> 48:04.900]  That one may come together more quickly.
[48:04.900 --> 48:10.680]  If we try to do another one in Austin, we have so many that have already came, it may
[48:10.680 --> 48:15.780]  take a little longer and we don't want to do another one too quickly anyway.
[48:15.780 --> 48:20.900]  So we'll look at doing one in Houston and then maybe one in the Dallas, Fort Worth area.
[48:20.900 --> 48:21.900]  Yes.
[48:21.900 --> 48:26.820]  And there will be copies of the video and we're going to put together a video of the
[48:26.820 --> 48:31.980]  seminar and like audio CDs to listen to in the car and people will get all the materials
[48:31.980 --> 48:33.500]  and stuff after the fact.
[48:33.500 --> 48:37.260]  We'll have the video and the audio together in a few weeks, probably maybe two, three
[48:37.260 --> 48:38.260]  weeks.
[48:38.260 --> 48:39.260]  Yeah.
[48:39.260 --> 48:42.580]  And I will try to ensure that next time we have a little more control over the speakers
[48:42.580 --> 48:46.180]  that are in front of the folks, you know, so you don't get pounded quite so hard while
[48:46.180 --> 48:47.180]  I'm talking.
[48:47.180 --> 48:48.180]  Well, yeah.
[48:48.180 --> 48:49.180]  And this time it wasn't my fault.
[48:49.180 --> 48:54.460]  I had somebody else helping me run sound because I had too many other things I had to take
[48:54.460 --> 48:55.460]  care of.
[48:55.460 --> 49:01.620]  So I know most of the folks were going like, man, it's brutal, but it's good.
[49:01.620 --> 49:04.740]  Yeah, they just, y'all, y'all should have told the sound man.
[49:04.740 --> 49:05.740]  It was too loud.
[49:05.740 --> 49:09.780]  He would have turned it down because, because usually, you know, he's going to mix the sound
[49:09.780 --> 49:12.860]  and the speakers from the back of the room so that people in the back can hear.
[49:12.860 --> 49:14.220]  So yeah, that's what she means.
[49:14.220 --> 49:18.380]  Mommy being a rock star feels more like you were just at a concert rather than just getting
[49:18.380 --> 49:19.380]  a seminar.
[49:19.380 --> 49:20.380]  All right.
[49:20.380 --> 49:21.380]  Excellent.
[49:21.380 --> 49:22.380]  All right.
[49:22.380 --> 49:29.020]  We have another seminar participant that is going to be joining us coming up, sitting
[49:29.020 --> 49:32.100]  in the chair here right now as we speak.
[49:32.100 --> 49:33.100]  Thank you.
[49:33.100 --> 49:34.100]  What is your name?
[49:34.100 --> 49:35.100]  Jan.
[49:35.100 --> 49:36.100]  Hey, Jan.
[49:36.100 --> 49:37.500]  Thanks for joining us on the air tonight.
[49:37.500 --> 49:38.500]  How are you?
[49:38.500 --> 49:39.580]  I'm doing absolutely great.
[49:39.580 --> 49:41.140]  Thank you.
[49:41.140 --> 49:46.620]  I have a question and I wanted this to be so that I have a friend that I hope is listening
[49:46.620 --> 49:49.420]  tonight and if not, it's got to be on the archives.
[49:49.420 --> 49:57.820]  If somebody has a, is on probation, how do they handle encounters with the law?
[49:57.820 --> 50:04.220]  There's a little fear factor in there when you get tickets or whatever comes up.
[50:04.220 --> 50:08.380]  What should be the approach to handling that?
[50:08.380 --> 50:14.500]  Are you speaking to, as far as defending yourself?
[50:14.500 --> 50:17.620]  Whether directly with the, let's say it's a traffic stop.
[50:17.620 --> 50:21.500]  You mean just like on the side of the road, how do you handle encounters with law enforcement?
[50:21.500 --> 50:22.500]  Exactly.
[50:22.500 --> 50:23.500]  Whether, yes.
[50:23.500 --> 50:24.500]  Okay.
[50:24.500 --> 50:25.500]  Eddie?
[50:25.500 --> 50:28.260]  When you're, when you've been cited.
[50:28.260 --> 50:30.220]  No different.
[50:30.220 --> 50:33.460]  No different than if you weren't on probation.
[50:33.460 --> 50:45.260]  If as a result of your attempting to defend yourself in a criminal accusation, you get
[50:45.260 --> 50:55.460]  any negative feedback from the probation department, you go after them like a tiger because they
[50:55.460 --> 51:01.460]  are vulnerable and this comes up as retaliation.
[51:01.460 --> 51:04.060]  They are very sensitive to that.
[51:04.060 --> 51:10.740]  With this caveat, if you're on probation and you're on probation because you were careless
[51:10.740 --> 51:16.740]  and you acted ignorant, you have to stop acting ignorant.
[51:16.740 --> 51:21.180]  When you get in front of a policeman, you know, don't tell him what a chump he is.
[51:21.180 --> 51:22.500]  Don't antagonize him.
[51:22.500 --> 51:26.860]  Don't fight with him and argue with him.
[51:26.860 --> 51:29.940]  Nothing you do is going to be helpful if you do that.
[51:29.940 --> 51:36.580]  But if you conduct yourself with the posture that we have presented, you will gain a level
[51:36.580 --> 51:37.580]  of respect.
[51:37.580 --> 51:43.020]  Even if you're on probation, if your probation officer gives you any kind of a hard time,
[51:43.020 --> 51:46.140]  don't argue with your probation officer.
[51:46.140 --> 51:51.620]  Go to his boss or his boss's boss and question his behavior.
[51:51.620 --> 51:52.620]  He has everybody.
[51:52.620 --> 51:54.940]  He knows you're going to bring everybody else to look at him.
[51:54.940 --> 51:57.180]  He's going to be more careful.
[51:57.180 --> 52:03.500]  But generally on probation, it really depends on what it's for and how long you have because
[52:03.500 --> 52:08.060]  they really have a hold on you.
[52:08.060 --> 52:09.060]  I guess.
[52:09.060 --> 52:15.180]  Yeah, it is kind of hard with people on probation in some respects because you've made a contract
[52:15.180 --> 52:16.380]  with them.
[52:16.380 --> 52:22.940]  And so you can't ball out that my rights have been violated necessarily because if you've
[52:22.940 --> 52:28.620]  agreed that they can come and search your home any time they want and stuff like that,
[52:28.620 --> 52:34.980]  those are all terms and conditions of the contract and that you have signed or the person
[52:34.980 --> 52:41.260]  or the human being has signed and agreed to those terms and conditions in order to be
[52:41.260 --> 52:44.160]  out on probation instead of sitting in prison.
[52:44.160 --> 52:48.860]  And so you don't have those kinds of rights anymore because you've agreed to a contract
[52:48.860 --> 52:53.900]  and it's not a contract that is without consideration either.
[52:53.900 --> 52:55.220]  There is consideration.
[52:55.220 --> 53:01.000]  You've agreed to abdicate some of your privacy and some things like this because otherwise
[53:01.000 --> 53:02.280]  you'd be in prison.
[53:02.280 --> 53:03.580]  So there is consideration.
[53:03.580 --> 53:04.580]  Yeah.
[53:04.580 --> 53:08.280]  And when I was saying that, I want to say, heck, it don't make any difference.
[53:08.280 --> 53:10.100]  Just go in there and fight like a tiger.
[53:10.100 --> 53:18.220]  But yeah, I was listening to myself saying that and imagining myself in this position.
[53:18.220 --> 53:20.860]  And you need to exercise caution.
[53:20.860 --> 53:26.460]  That doesn't mean you don't fight for your rights, but I wouldn't advocate being quite
[53:26.460 --> 53:34.860]  as aggressive as I tend to be when I only have one issue in front of me.
[53:34.860 --> 53:41.300]  I can huff and puff and do all this stuff because I'm not on probation.
[53:41.300 --> 53:49.060]  I'm not looking at losing my liberty and your liberty is the most important thing.
[53:49.060 --> 53:54.020]  So depending on what the nature of the allegation is, just a traffic ticket, heck, go fight
[53:54.020 --> 53:55.500]  the traffic ticket.
[53:55.500 --> 53:56.500]  Yeah.
[53:56.500 --> 54:00.220]  Now this goes to what I've said many times through the seminar.
[54:00.220 --> 54:03.820]  How many of you remember in the movie Roadhouse when Patrick Swayze is brought into the bar
[54:03.820 --> 54:09.380]  and he's got all the bouncers there and he's saying, it doesn't matter what anybody does,
[54:09.380 --> 54:11.600]  be nice.
[54:11.600 --> 54:15.540]  No matter what they say, be nice.
[54:15.540 --> 54:17.460]  Now I said that many, many times.
[54:17.460 --> 54:22.460]  Say it nicely, but stand on what you believe and know to be right.
[54:22.460 --> 54:26.260]  In the case of what you're asking, you're dealing with a traffic ticket.
[54:26.260 --> 54:30.860]  If the ticket didn't apply to you as far as the charge, you can't be charged if you're
[54:30.860 --> 54:32.500]  not in commerce.
[54:32.500 --> 54:34.500]  That's a misapplication of the law.
[54:34.500 --> 54:38.220]  Your rights to defend against that are just the same as they've always been.
[54:38.220 --> 54:43.780]  A bad charge is a bad charge, no matter what, how much probation you're on.
[54:43.780 --> 54:49.900]  Yeah, for that reason, you can still fight it, but just be nice.
[54:49.900 --> 54:54.260]  You don't, like I said also, don't antagonize the cop on the side of the road because once
[54:54.260 --> 54:56.980]  he sees you're on probation, you get snotty with him.
[54:56.980 --> 54:59.500]  He's going to look for an excuse to cause you a problem.
[54:59.500 --> 55:06.500]  Yes, and not only that, but I would definitely advise, or I would say that if it were me,
[55:06.500 --> 55:13.500]  I would be much more temperate in how I deal with the officer on the side of the road if
[55:13.500 --> 55:24.380]  I was on probation because the thing is, if they arrest me for whatever, because I'm arguing
[55:24.380 --> 55:29.420]  with the cop, that could be a violation of probation.
[55:29.420 --> 55:33.980]  You know, most people who are on probation, if you get arrested for something else, then
[55:33.980 --> 55:37.940]  your probation is violated and your probation gets revoked.
[55:37.940 --> 55:42.940]  So you definitely don't want to antagonize the police on the side of the road so that
[55:42.940 --> 55:48.020]  they plant drugs on your car or something, okay, or accuse you of impeding the duties
[55:48.020 --> 55:51.340]  of a public servant or whatever, all right?
[55:51.340 --> 55:58.200]  You definitely want to, yes ma'am, no ma'am, yes sir, no sir, and just, I mean, if it were
[55:58.200 --> 56:00.380]  me, I wouldn't even give him Eddie's handout.
[56:00.380 --> 56:07.660]  I would just do whatever I had to do, sign the ticket and smile and deal with it later
[56:07.660 --> 56:10.260]  because you don't want to get arrested when you're on probation.
[56:10.260 --> 56:13.980]  You don't want to start a scuffle with the police on the side of the road because it
[56:13.980 --> 56:15.540]  could violate your probation.
[56:15.540 --> 56:22.900]  Yeah, I know the purists out there are going to hate this, but we're not purists.
[56:22.900 --> 56:30.580]  I'm more interested in people's liberty than I am some fanciful ideal of how I think things
[56:30.580 --> 56:31.580]  ought to be.
[56:31.580 --> 56:32.580]  Well, and I-
[56:32.580 --> 56:33.580]  They don't even call that realist.
[56:33.580 --> 56:37.420]  And I am a purist, but it's about strategy.
[56:37.420 --> 56:40.380]  It's about how are you going to fight the fight?
[56:40.380 --> 56:47.300]  Are you going to insist on everything on the side of the road and maybe lose a lot more
[56:47.300 --> 56:49.260]  in the overall game?
[56:49.260 --> 56:55.740]  Or are you going to keep your mouth shut and just do what you need to do and then fight
[56:55.740 --> 56:59.740]  later more effectively and win the game overall?
[56:59.740 --> 57:02.840]  So it's about, so I am a purist, but it's about strategy.
[57:02.840 --> 57:06.300]  You can't insist on everything all your way all the time.
[57:06.300 --> 57:08.300]  It's not going to work.
[57:08.300 --> 57:09.300]  All right.
[57:09.300 --> 57:10.300]  I appreciate that.
[57:10.300 --> 57:11.300]  Yeah, this was simple.
[57:11.300 --> 57:16.900]  It was just speeding, driving without a license, the things that-
[57:16.900 --> 57:21.300]  One of the things, if he's on probation, that's in a higher court.
[57:21.300 --> 57:26.600]  And the municipal courts, the higher courts are not going to pay them much mind.
[57:26.600 --> 57:32.060]  So fighting a ticket, as long as he doesn't go in there and tell the judge what a scumbag
[57:32.060 --> 57:37.460]  he is and get thrown in jail for contempt, if he doesn't do anything stupid, for the
[57:37.460 --> 57:46.620]  most part, as long as you conduct yourself with decorum, they may find you guilty.
[57:46.620 --> 57:50.420]  They may not like it, but they're not going to retaliate against you.
[57:50.420 --> 57:52.980]  It's not that important.
[57:52.980 --> 58:00.620]  These guys, they're too busy making money to go harass somebody as a rule.
[58:00.620 --> 58:03.900]  All right.
[58:03.900 --> 58:05.860]  Thank you, Chan, for joining us.
[58:05.860 --> 58:06.860]  All right.
[58:06.860 --> 58:08.940]  We're at the top of the hour break.
[58:08.940 --> 58:15.940]  We've got Denise, Henry, and Mike on the line, and here's your live and brave books on Jeff
[58:15.940 --> 58:19.300]  Evans with Eddie Craig, the rock star.
[58:19.300 --> 58:32.380]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[58:32.380 --> 58:46.420]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[59:02.380 --> 59:30.420]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[59:30.420 --> 01:00:00.140]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[01:00:00.140 --> 01:00:20.100]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[01:00:20.100 --> 01:00:29.620]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[01:00:29.620 --> 01:00:43.140]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[01:00:43.140 --> 01:01:00.980]  Eddie's a rock star after this week, and he was on fire, folks, you should see him.
[01:01:00.980 --> 01:01:13.980]  Then suicide car bombs targeting government buildings in Baghdad killed 160 people and
[01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:14.980]  wounded 540 Sunday in one of the deadliest attacks in recent years.
[01:01:14.980 --> 01:01:19.220]  The attacks blamed by the government on elements of the Ba'athist Party and Al-Qaeda in Iraq
[01:01:19.220 --> 01:01:24.700]  reveal the fragility of security since U.S. troops withdrew from urban areas and as the
[01:01:24.700 --> 01:01:27.820]  country prepares for January elections.
[01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:34.000]  Middle East analyst Alex Vartanka said, this is horrible news for Barack Obama, adding
[01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:41.260]  Iraq is reappearing as a significant factor, complicating hugely his entire foreign policy.
[01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:46.100]  General David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command said, despite all that has been achieved
[01:01:46.100 --> 01:01:51.500]  by Iraqi and coalition forces, there are still extremists who want to reignite the cycle
[01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:53.740]  of sectarian violence.
[01:01:53.740 --> 01:01:58.940]  Peter Harling, an Iraq expert at International Crisis Group said, the insurgents are keen
[01:01:58.940 --> 01:02:05.260]  to show they have the ability to destabilize Iraq.
[01:02:05.260 --> 01:02:11.560]  In Iran Sunday, U.N. inspectors entered Fordo, a once-secret uranium enrichment facility.
[01:02:11.560 --> 01:02:16.660]  The visit by an international atomic energy agency team was the first independent look
[01:02:16.660 --> 01:02:19.740]  inside the planned nuclear fuel lab.
[01:02:19.740 --> 01:02:24.580]  Iran says it will respond this week to a U.N. brokered deal to process its nuclear fuel
[01:02:24.580 --> 01:02:30.980]  in Russia, a plan designed to ease Western fears about Iran's ability to produce weapons-grade
[01:02:30.980 --> 01:02:31.980]  material.
[01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:37.180]  Officials say the plant won't be in operation for another 18 months and would produce uranium
[01:02:37.180 --> 01:02:42.780]  enrichment levels up to 5 percent, suitable only for peaceful purposes.
[01:02:42.780 --> 01:02:46.540]  Weapons-grade material is more than 90 percent enriched.
[01:02:46.540 --> 01:02:52.100]  If Iran rejects the Russian fuel processing deal, it would force the U.S. and its allies
[01:02:52.100 --> 01:03:21.860]  to return to talks or step up demands for tougher sanctions.
[01:03:21.860 --> 01:03:48.500]  The U.N. has said it will respond this week to a U.N.
[01:03:48.500 --> 01:04:07.500]  deal to process its nuclear fuel in Russia, a plan designed to ease Western fears about
[01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:26.700]  Iran's ability to produce weapons-grade material in Russia, a plan designed to ease Western
[01:04:26.700 --> 01:04:33.900]  fears about Iran's ability to produce weapons-grade material in Russia, a plan designed to ease
[01:04:33.900 --> 01:04:58.380]  Western fears about Iran's ability to produce weapons-grade material in Russia, a plan designed
[01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:01.380]  My na-ya-ya, barking, disturbing
[01:05:01.380 --> 01:05:03.380]  When you just start sleeping
[01:05:03.380 --> 01:05:05.380]  Your dad will be barking
[01:05:05.380 --> 01:05:07.380]  Your rooster manning, crowing
[01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:09.380]  How them two laugh back then
[01:05:09.380 --> 01:05:11.380]  You know that a young thing
[01:05:11.380 --> 01:05:13.380]  With me you still argue it
[01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:15.380]  Tell me how you like it
[01:05:15.380 --> 01:05:17.380]  How do daddy bark him
[01:05:17.380 --> 01:05:19.380]  Let you know I'm warning
[01:05:19.380 --> 01:05:21.380]  But you don't bark too much, auntie
[01:05:21.380 --> 01:05:23.380]  Disturbing neighbor, would ya
[01:05:23.380 --> 01:05:25.380]  People get teeming under
[01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:27.380]  That's why I give them Kit-Kat
[01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:29.380]  And Bay-Daga true that
[01:05:29.380 --> 01:05:31.380]  Now De-Dag do true it
[01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:33.380]  Now De-Dag not bark him
[01:05:33.380 --> 01:05:35.380]  You always, always
[01:05:35.380 --> 01:05:36.960]  Get your after-all
[01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:39.420]  A million
[01:05:39.460 --> 01:05:41.460]  Get them on! Get them on! Get them on!
[01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:43.460]  You always, always
[01:05:43.460 --> 01:05:44.800]  Get your after-all
[01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.800]  A million
[01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:49.800]  When you want, when you want, when you want
[01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:51.800]  You always, always
[01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:53.460]  Get your after all
[01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:55.460]  A million
[01:05:55.460 --> 01:05:56.460]  When you want
[01:05:56.460 --> 01:06:26.340]  All right, neighbor, neighbor.
[01:06:26.340 --> 01:06:28.220]  Get your dog out of my yard.
[01:06:28.220 --> 01:06:32.660]  This one's dedicated to Randy Raylor, who is in the room with us right now.
[01:06:32.660 --> 01:06:35.540]  Randy Raylor, get your dog out of my yard.
[01:06:35.540 --> 01:06:42.420]  And he is hightailing it out of here as we speak.
[01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:43.940]  Thanks for coming down, Randy.
[01:06:43.940 --> 01:06:46.420]  I'll see you later.
[01:06:46.420 --> 01:06:50.380]  Randy Raylor with the dog in the yard.
[01:06:50.380 --> 01:06:51.540]  Okay.
[01:06:51.540 --> 01:06:52.540]  This is a rule of law.
[01:06:52.540 --> 01:06:54.740]  We are back on the air.
[01:06:54.740 --> 01:07:01.780]  Eddie Craig, the rock star, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton, and we are going to take some
[01:07:01.780 --> 01:07:03.220]  calls now.
[01:07:03.220 --> 01:07:07.380]  So Randy, you've got the call screen board on your computer.
[01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:08.380]  Punch live.
[01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:10.460]  We've got Denise from Maryland.
[01:07:10.460 --> 01:07:12.420]  Denise, thanks for calling in.
[01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:14.380]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:07:14.380 --> 01:07:15.380]  Denise?
[01:07:15.380 --> 01:07:16.380]  Hold on.
[01:07:16.380 --> 01:07:21.340]  Okay, Denise, thanks for calling in.
[01:07:21.340 --> 01:07:22.900]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:07:22.900 --> 01:07:29.380]  Okay, I'm calling a little bit off subject, but I was calling about a mortgage situation
[01:07:29.380 --> 01:07:32.060]  that I have.
[01:07:32.060 --> 01:07:35.060]  Can you hear me?
[01:07:35.060 --> 01:07:37.820]  Hello?
[01:07:37.820 --> 01:07:38.820]  You're calling the right place.
[01:07:38.820 --> 01:07:43.100]  Sorry, I had to mute the mics because Randy was moving some equipment around or something.
[01:07:43.100 --> 01:07:46.540]  Okay, what's your question?
[01:07:46.540 --> 01:07:47.540]  Okay.
[01:07:47.540 --> 01:07:48.540]  I was calling.
[01:07:48.540 --> 01:07:53.020]  I have a foreclosure situation that is quite desperate.
[01:07:53.020 --> 01:08:01.860]  I am at the point where the judge ruled granting giving my property to U.S. Bank, and he did
[01:08:01.860 --> 01:08:07.820]  that ruling on 9-23, September 23rd.
[01:08:07.820 --> 01:08:10.260]  There is no order yet.
[01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:19.020]  However, the attorneys did file a request for the writ of possession on October 2nd.
[01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:23.100]  So, good thing the courts are really behind.
[01:08:23.100 --> 01:08:26.700]  They seem to be running a month or so more behind.
[01:08:26.700 --> 01:08:34.020]  But anyway, I kind of have my back up against the wall because at this point I'm just waiting
[01:08:34.020 --> 01:08:35.780]  for the order to come.
[01:08:35.780 --> 01:08:38.340]  Okay, you're in Maryland?
[01:08:38.340 --> 01:08:39.860]  I'm in Maryland, yes.
[01:08:39.860 --> 01:08:44.580]  Is Maryland a non-judicial state on this?
[01:08:44.580 --> 01:08:46.460]  Yes, it is.
[01:08:46.460 --> 01:08:48.460]  Have you filed a respite letter?
[01:08:48.460 --> 01:08:53.620]  Yes, I did that in March.
[01:08:53.620 --> 01:09:00.860]  They were quiet for about two months, and maybe a little longer, but full speed ahead.
[01:09:00.860 --> 01:09:02.100]  Everything I've done, they just ran over.
[01:09:02.100 --> 01:09:04.820]  What did you ask for in the respite letter?
[01:09:04.820 --> 01:09:06.540]  I'm sorry?
[01:09:06.540 --> 01:09:09.580]  What did you ask for in the respite letter?
[01:09:09.580 --> 01:09:10.580]  Everything.
[01:09:10.580 --> 01:09:11.580]  I possibly could.
[01:09:11.580 --> 01:09:13.580]  Did you get it?
[01:09:13.580 --> 01:09:14.580]  No.
[01:09:14.580 --> 01:09:15.580]  Okay.
[01:09:15.580 --> 01:09:22.380]  Okay, do you have the truth in lending statement?
[01:09:22.380 --> 01:09:27.500]  Yes, I do, I'm sure.
[01:09:27.500 --> 01:09:32.420]  When you first go to the mortgage company to get a loan, they have to give you a good
[01:09:32.420 --> 01:09:34.860]  faith estimate.
[01:09:34.860 --> 01:09:38.500]  And then they'll follow that with a truth in lending statement.
[01:09:38.500 --> 01:09:42.780]  And then when you sit down at the table to sign the note, they'll put in front of you
[01:09:42.780 --> 01:09:45.780]  a HUD-1.
[01:09:45.780 --> 01:09:49.620]  And they'll put in front of you a note.
[01:09:49.620 --> 01:09:57.380]  What we need to do is look at the truth in lending HUD-1 note, get the figures primarily
[01:09:57.380 --> 01:10:00.780]  concerning interest.
[01:10:00.780 --> 01:10:07.540]  Is the interest on the HUD-1 and the truth in lending the same as is on the note?
[01:10:07.540 --> 01:10:12.540]  What you may find is the note is not in your records.
[01:10:12.540 --> 01:10:16.980]  It's very common they don't give you a copy.
[01:10:16.980 --> 01:10:22.140]  You don't have the note, then you can't show precisely what you agreed to pay.
[01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:25.540]  That's the first thing we want to look at.
[01:10:25.540 --> 01:10:33.980]  Sometimes when we run this, we find that the HUD-1 truth in lending and note match exactly.
[01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:40.980]  Just invariably when that happens, I look at the cost of making the loan and the costs
[01:10:40.980 --> 01:10:44.100]  are surprisingly high.
[01:10:44.100 --> 01:10:52.340]  I did a note where the HUD-1 said 6.5 percent, the note said 6 percent.
[01:10:52.340 --> 01:10:58.540]  The cost of making the note was like $6,000.
[01:10:58.540 --> 01:11:05.980]  I look at another one and the HUD-1 truth in lending and note were exactly dead on to
[01:11:05.980 --> 01:11:12.380]  the penny, but it cost them $38,000 to make the note.
[01:11:12.380 --> 01:11:13.380]  Okay.
[01:11:13.380 --> 01:11:14.380]  Wait a minute.
[01:11:14.380 --> 01:11:15.380]  Hold on.
[01:11:15.380 --> 01:11:16.380]  Hold on.
[01:11:16.380 --> 01:11:17.380]  I'm sorry.
[01:11:17.380 --> 01:11:18.380]  I got an emergency break in here.
[01:11:18.380 --> 01:11:23.940]  We have one of our seminar participants, Terry from Michigan, who traveled all the way down
[01:11:23.940 --> 01:11:26.460]  here from Michigan and traveled all the way back.
[01:11:26.460 --> 01:11:28.020]  He got pulled over.
[01:11:28.020 --> 01:11:31.180]  I'm apparently possibly sighted on the way.
[01:11:31.180 --> 01:11:33.060]  His battery is about to die.
[01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:36.300]  Can you just hold on, Denise, and we'll finish your call just a moment.
[01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:37.300]  Okay.
[01:11:37.300 --> 01:11:41.060]  Bring up Terry from Michigan, Randy, quickly before his cell phone battery dies.
[01:11:41.060 --> 01:11:44.620]  Okay, Terry, what's going on?
[01:11:44.620 --> 01:11:46.820]  Hey, that was a great seminar.
[01:11:46.820 --> 01:11:47.820]  We sure loved it.
[01:11:47.820 --> 01:11:48.820]  We learned a lot.
[01:11:48.820 --> 01:11:49.820]  Excellent.
[01:11:49.820 --> 01:11:52.260]  Sounds like you're good to use it.
[01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:58.300]  No, we really didn't have to do anything except for stand back and smile.
[01:11:58.300 --> 01:12:10.620]  We got pulled over by a DPS, Texas DPS, about 30 miles south of Texarkana, and when he pulled
[01:12:10.620 --> 01:12:12.500]  us over, we asked, well, what did we get pulled over for?
[01:12:12.500 --> 01:12:13.500]  He said, well, you looked suspicious.
[01:12:13.500 --> 01:12:14.500]  Suspicious?
[01:12:14.500 --> 01:12:15.500]  You looked suspicious?
[01:12:15.500 --> 01:12:16.500]  We looked suspicious.
[01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:21.220]  What in the world does that mean?
[01:12:21.220 --> 01:12:25.140]  What about your vehicle looks suspicious?
[01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:31.700]  Well, we didn't get into a whole lot because neither one of us owned this car.
[01:12:31.700 --> 01:12:32.700]  It's a borrowed car.
[01:12:32.700 --> 01:12:39.900]  So we thought we better not press the issue, but he separated us, and he took Jeff back
[01:12:39.900 --> 01:12:43.860]  to the back and talked to him, and then he came up to talk to me and wanted to know where
[01:12:43.860 --> 01:12:44.860]  we were.
[01:12:44.860 --> 01:12:49.380]  We said, well, we're at a traffic seminar in Austin, and he said, oh, what, were you
[01:12:49.380 --> 01:12:50.380]  there in business?
[01:12:50.380 --> 01:12:58.420]  I said, no, we just like to study the law, and so then he went and told Jeff that I set
[01:12:58.420 --> 01:13:06.660]  up for him to search the car, and he told me that Jeff, so he started, and while he
[01:13:06.660 --> 01:13:12.900]  was searching, he opened up the trunk, and when he got in there, he found all my law
[01:13:12.900 --> 01:13:13.900]  books.
[01:13:13.900 --> 01:13:19.980]  I got about 15 law books in the folder that we got from the seminar that said Texas traffic
[01:13:19.980 --> 01:13:25.180]  code, and as soon as he saw that, he slammed the trunk shut and said, have a nice day and
[01:13:25.180 --> 01:13:28.580]  got in his car and left.
[01:13:28.580 --> 01:13:30.660]  Did you get his name?
[01:13:30.660 --> 01:13:31.660]  Say that again one more time.
[01:13:31.660 --> 01:13:32.660]  I'm sorry.
[01:13:32.660 --> 01:13:34.880]  I had to type something to my call screener.
[01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:39.140]  So what happened when he let you go?
[01:13:39.140 --> 01:13:40.460]  How did that go down again?
[01:13:40.460 --> 01:13:46.740]  Well, when he was going through the trunk, he found all my law books, and he found the
[01:13:46.740 --> 01:13:53.980]  notebook that we got from you guys that says the Texas traffic code and that, and he saw
[01:13:53.980 --> 01:13:57.580]  them booked and figured out, I guess they must know something, and he slammed the trunk
[01:13:57.580 --> 01:14:00.740]  and said, have a nice day and turned them off the way.
[01:14:00.740 --> 01:14:01.740]  Whoa, yes.
[01:14:01.740 --> 01:14:02.740]  Excellent news.
[01:14:02.740 --> 01:14:05.740]  Did you get his name?
[01:14:05.740 --> 01:14:07.100]  Yes, I did.
[01:14:07.100 --> 01:14:15.140]  He gave us a warning for not traveling on our, I don't know, he said we crossed the
[01:14:15.140 --> 01:14:22.380]  white line and we're traveling off an allowed, a legal paved road or something like that
[01:14:22.380 --> 01:14:26.180]  because we went on the shoulder.
[01:14:26.180 --> 01:14:29.340]  When he pulled you over?
[01:14:29.340 --> 01:14:33.820]  He claims we did it before he pulled us over, but we didn't.
[01:14:33.820 --> 01:14:36.220]  He just said, we did.
[01:14:36.220 --> 01:14:40.220]  Well, it's good that you got his attention.
[01:14:40.220 --> 01:14:42.220]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:14:42.220 --> 01:14:47.700]  It was funny because as he was digging through the trunk, his eyes kind of rolled back when
[01:14:47.700 --> 01:14:52.340]  he looked at all them books and stuff, and he all, they just stepped back and closed
[01:14:52.340 --> 01:14:54.500]  the trunk, and that was it.
[01:14:54.500 --> 01:15:03.620]  You need to prepare and file a complaint for false imprisonment and illegal search.
[01:15:03.620 --> 01:15:08.700]  Yeah, remember, this guy, just by what he said to you, he was phishing.
[01:15:08.700 --> 01:15:14.200]  You look suspicious is not probable cause if he had no report of a crime that had occurred,
[01:15:14.200 --> 01:15:17.340]  he had no reason to determine that you look suspicious.
[01:15:17.340 --> 01:15:22.180]  There was no probable cause to pull you over, and he was phishing.
[01:15:22.180 --> 01:15:24.700]  Can we do that and mail it from Michigan?
[01:15:24.700 --> 01:15:26.700]  Sure, you can.
[01:15:26.700 --> 01:15:27.700]  Absolutely.
[01:15:27.700 --> 01:15:33.980]  Actually, you can send a statement to Eddie, and Eddie can do it from Texas.
[01:15:33.980 --> 01:15:39.420]  Actually, yes, just send me something, an email or anything that says what the information
[01:15:39.420 --> 01:15:43.180]  on the officer is, and I can file the criminal complaint from here.
[01:15:43.180 --> 01:15:50.620]  I've got the citation that's not a citation, the warning.
[01:15:50.620 --> 01:15:53.780]  It's got his badge number and his name and everything.
[01:15:53.780 --> 01:15:56.020]  This is great news.
[01:15:56.020 --> 01:16:00.860]  See folks, maybe everyone out there who was at the seminar and folks who get our materials,
[01:16:00.860 --> 01:16:04.900]  who buy the DVD and the materials, all right, print off this stuff.
[01:16:04.900 --> 01:16:09.820]  Folks, you'll get a link to download electronic copy, and you can print off your own copies
[01:16:09.820 --> 01:16:13.260]  because it's very expensive for us to print off everything, it's like 200 pages.
[01:16:13.260 --> 01:16:15.860]  Just carrying it around with you in your car, look, it works.
[01:16:15.860 --> 01:16:16.860]  Just having it with you.
[01:16:16.860 --> 01:16:17.860]  This is great.
[01:16:17.860 --> 01:16:21.660]  Maybe we did have an undercover in the room and he's already spread the word for us.
[01:16:21.660 --> 01:16:22.660]  Who knows?
[01:16:22.660 --> 01:16:26.440]  Well, you know, he may have just assumed you were a lawyer or a paralegal or something
[01:16:26.440 --> 01:16:30.980]  or going to law school and decided, I better not mess with this guy.
[01:16:30.980 --> 01:16:31.980]  See, you know what?
[01:16:31.980 --> 01:16:36.140]  That tells me right there, these guys do know that the traffic code only applies to people
[01:16:36.140 --> 01:16:37.140]  in cars.
[01:16:37.140 --> 01:16:42.460]  All right, well, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:42.460 --> 01:16:44.020]  Do you have anything more?
[01:16:44.020 --> 01:16:46.060]  Do you want to stay with us to the other side?
[01:16:46.060 --> 01:16:50.620]  Nope, just good to talk to you guys again and can't wait to keep on listening.
[01:16:50.620 --> 01:16:52.100]  All right, it's great to meet you.
[01:16:52.100 --> 01:16:53.980]  We'll go back to Denise on the other side.
[01:16:53.980 --> 01:16:57.020]  We'll be right back.
[01:16:57.020 --> 01:17:00.700]  Hello, Austin.
[01:17:00.700 --> 01:17:04.500]  My name is Harlan Dietrich, owner of Brave New Books, a local independent bookstore here
[01:17:04.500 --> 01:17:05.500]  in town.
[01:17:05.500 --> 01:17:08.780]  Many of you are familiar with the bookstore and have attended some of our events.
[01:17:08.780 --> 01:17:13.260]  We've been proud to host speakers like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jim Mars, Catherine Albert,
[01:17:13.260 --> 01:17:17.820]  Webster Tarpley, Gia Wood Griffin, and many other heroic figures in the patriot movement.
[01:17:17.820 --> 01:17:22.580]  But now, Brave New Books needs your help in order to continue to provide a space for these
[01:17:22.580 --> 01:17:25.220]  events and be an outlet for hard to find materials.
[01:17:25.220 --> 01:17:29.460]  We're going to need you, Austin, to help spread the word about the bookstore.
[01:17:29.460 --> 01:17:33.020]  Please tell your friends and family about the wide variety of materials we offer.
[01:17:33.020 --> 01:17:36.980]  We also have DVD duplication capabilities for all you activists.
[01:17:36.980 --> 01:17:40.980]  Also, if you haven't visited us yet, please come down and show your support.
[01:17:40.980 --> 01:17:45.060]  It is so easy to support the big corporate chain stores that do nothing to further our
[01:17:45.060 --> 01:17:46.060]  message.
[01:17:46.060 --> 01:17:47.780]  Remember, you vote with your dollars.
[01:17:47.780 --> 01:17:49.500]  We're counting on you, Austin.
[01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:56.660]  If you need any information, please call 512-480-2503 or visit us at 1904 Guadalupe Street.
[01:17:56.660 --> 01:18:24.980]  Thank you, everyone.
[01:18:26.660 --> 01:18:47.380]  See, folks?
[01:18:47.380 --> 01:18:54.140]  That just shows me that a lot of these officers out there actually do know that the transportation
[01:18:54.140 --> 01:18:57.100]  code only applies to people in commerce.
[01:18:57.100 --> 01:19:02.300]  Because when they saw Terry from Michigan, who was at the seminar, and saw that he had
[01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:07.220]  all the materials about the traffic code and other law books, they were like, oh, we better
[01:19:07.220 --> 01:19:08.940]  not mess with this guy, okay?
[01:19:08.940 --> 01:19:15.100]  So this stuff, this stuff, our seminar materials are working on the way home from the seminar
[01:19:15.100 --> 01:19:19.740]  and people haven't even gotten, kept them from getting harassed and traffic tickets
[01:19:19.740 --> 01:19:20.740]  and everything.
[01:19:20.740 --> 01:19:21.740]  So this is great.
[01:19:21.740 --> 01:19:22.740]  Great testimony.
[01:19:22.740 --> 01:19:24.340]  Let's go back to Denise.
[01:19:24.340 --> 01:19:27.340]  Randy, you want to punch her in?
[01:19:27.340 --> 01:19:28.340]  Yeah, she is.
[01:19:28.340 --> 01:19:32.820]  And we have Henry and Mike that we will be going to next.
[01:19:32.820 --> 01:19:33.900]  Okay.
[01:19:33.900 --> 01:19:41.740]  You want to look at the HUD one and the, primarily the note that you signed.
[01:19:41.740 --> 01:19:46.900]  If you have a copy of it, look at the interest and the principal.
[01:19:46.900 --> 01:19:48.780]  How much did you finance?
[01:19:48.780 --> 01:19:51.380]  What was the amount of interest on the note?
[01:19:51.380 --> 01:19:58.340]  I have one I looked at where the HUD one stated 6.5%.
[01:19:58.340 --> 01:20:03.240]  But in the paperwork, there was a lock-in interest rate of 6%.
[01:20:03.240 --> 01:20:10.140]  And the note, which wasn't in the original paperwork, that an attorney screwed up and
[01:20:10.140 --> 01:20:16.540]  sent it to them later, you know, you sit down at closing and they put all these papers in
[01:20:16.540 --> 01:20:19.540]  front of you and you sign all of them and then they give you copies.
[01:20:19.540 --> 01:20:24.740]  Well, they take some out and generally it's the note they don't want you to have.
[01:20:24.740 --> 01:20:28.220]  Well, one of the attorneys screwed up and sent them a copy.
[01:20:28.220 --> 01:20:30.860]  The note said 6%.
[01:20:30.860 --> 01:20:32.840]  The HUD one said 6.5.
[01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:40.620]  So what we did was ran an amortization at 6.5% and on this note, it said the payment
[01:20:40.620 --> 01:20:44.420]  was $740 a month.
[01:20:44.420 --> 01:20:51.460]  So then right next to it, we ran an amortization at 6% and that said payment, $683 a month.
[01:20:51.460 --> 01:21:00.420]  So we subtracted $683 from $740 and took the difference, $57, and subtracted it from the
[01:21:00.420 --> 01:21:08.300]  principal, and then calculated interest the next month and ran the amortization that way.
[01:21:08.300 --> 01:21:19.100]  It showed that with an original $113,000 note 30 years at 6.5% as opposed to 6%, you would
[01:21:19.100 --> 01:21:28.940]  pay extra $44,000, almost a third more.
[01:21:28.940 --> 01:21:34.420]  So what we do is sue the mortgage company for triple that amount.
[01:21:34.420 --> 01:21:39.100]  You don't sue them for what they actually stole from you.
[01:21:39.100 --> 01:21:45.460]  You sue them for what they would have stolen from you had their fraudulent enterprise ran
[01:21:45.460 --> 01:21:47.460]  to fruition.
[01:21:47.460 --> 01:21:52.420]  And you don't simply sue them for what they would have stolen from you.
[01:21:52.420 --> 01:21:55.620]  You sue them for triplicate.
[01:21:55.620 --> 01:22:00.500]  Now then we come to others that the two match.
[01:22:00.500 --> 01:22:09.700]  Now we go look for other violations, violations that would cause fines or violations that
[01:22:09.700 --> 01:22:16.260]  would give you opportunity for rescission.
[01:22:16.260 --> 01:22:20.820]  Recission is where you say, you guys didn't follow the rules.
[01:22:20.820 --> 01:22:24.060]  You didn't give proper disclosure.
[01:22:24.060 --> 01:22:31.780]  So the contracts void, give me back all my money, you take the house back.
[01:22:31.780 --> 01:22:36.340]  However, they're the ones committed fraud, not you.
[01:22:36.340 --> 01:22:41.440]  So it's inappropriate that you should be inconvenienced and forced to leave your house.
[01:22:41.440 --> 01:22:50.000]  So you have opportunity, first opportunity to repurchase at current value, current interest.
[01:22:50.000 --> 01:23:00.460]  If you bought a house between 2000 and 2007, in 2000 interest rate was nine, almost 10%.
[01:23:00.460 --> 01:23:08.900]  It steadily came down and after 2000, year 2000, it dropped like a stone.
[01:23:08.900 --> 01:23:13.520]  Right now, prime rate 3.25.
[01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:18.080]  So if you've been paying on this thing, say 10 years, you rescind to give you all your
[01:23:18.080 --> 01:23:19.080]  money back.
[01:23:19.080 --> 01:23:24.060]  You take the house and over the last couple of years, real estate prices has dropped like
[01:23:24.060 --> 01:23:25.060]  a stone.
[01:23:25.060 --> 01:23:30.140]  So if you get to purchase back at current value, and now you have all this money you
[01:23:30.140 --> 01:23:37.360]  paid in, put it as a down payment, you get prime rate 3.25.
[01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:39.900]  There are a lot of options to go after them.
[01:23:39.900 --> 01:23:41.860]  Most people don't know what they are.
[01:23:41.860 --> 01:23:50.660]  Okay, now I know I need to file something in court to stop them right away.
[01:23:50.660 --> 01:23:57.500]  And last week, I did file a motion to reopen and vacate based on new matter.
[01:23:57.500 --> 01:24:04.060]  However, with the courts being so far behind, they haven't even seen it yet.
[01:24:04.060 --> 01:24:12.420]  So tomorrow I was going to go with some type of emergency motion, but I wasn't quite sure
[01:24:12.420 --> 01:24:16.220]  how to word it.
[01:24:16.220 --> 01:24:21.220]  You have to have cause for the emergency restraining order.
[01:24:21.220 --> 01:24:25.020]  Are they trying to move ahead with foreclosure as we speak?
[01:24:25.020 --> 01:24:27.060]  Yes, with eviction.
[01:24:27.060 --> 01:24:28.540]  How close are they?
[01:24:28.540 --> 01:24:32.120]  Well, I am waiting for the order.
[01:24:32.120 --> 01:24:35.220]  The judge ruled, but he has not ordered yet.
[01:24:35.220 --> 01:24:40.420]  Okay, then you may have a little time.
[01:24:40.420 --> 01:24:41.420]  Send me an email.
[01:24:41.420 --> 01:24:44.060]  I'll contact you off the air.
[01:24:44.060 --> 01:24:47.460]  I suggest you get a forensic analysis quickly.
[01:24:47.460 --> 01:24:48.460]  Okay.
[01:24:48.460 --> 01:24:53.100]  And that'll tell you all of the things that they've done wrong.
[01:24:53.100 --> 01:24:59.540]  And all you have to do is go find one thing that's fraudulent, then immediately you file
[01:24:59.540 --> 01:25:03.340]  a counter complaint based on the fraud.
[01:25:03.340 --> 01:25:09.500]  And you can claim the fraud that you've just discovered it, statute of limitations on fraud,
[01:25:09.500 --> 01:25:13.540]  tolls until it's discovered.
[01:25:13.540 --> 01:25:18.980]  So you didn't discover the fraud until you did a forensic audit and you find all this
[01:25:18.980 --> 01:25:22.920]  fraud and you nail them with the fraud and stop them in their tracks.
[01:25:22.920 --> 01:25:29.780]  And we have some really neat ways of giving them reason to want to go away and leave you
[01:25:29.780 --> 01:25:30.780]  alone.
[01:25:30.780 --> 01:25:31.780]  Okay.
[01:25:31.780 --> 01:25:35.220]  And what is your email?
[01:25:35.220 --> 01:25:38.420]  It's randy at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:25:38.420 --> 01:25:41.700]  Okay, I have that.
[01:25:41.700 --> 01:25:51.940]  In the RESPA letter, did you ask them for the names of all of the entities that have
[01:25:51.940 --> 01:25:57.020]  had ownership of the security agreement?
[01:25:57.020 --> 01:25:59.300]  Yes, I did.
[01:25:59.300 --> 01:26:00.860]  Did you get a list of those?
[01:26:00.860 --> 01:26:03.060]  No, I did not.
[01:26:03.060 --> 01:26:06.100]  Oh, goody.
[01:26:06.100 --> 01:26:08.080]  These are easy enough to find.
[01:26:08.080 --> 01:26:10.340]  We can find those.
[01:26:10.340 --> 01:26:17.380]  And one of the strategies is if we find fraud, then we want to know who those people are
[01:26:17.380 --> 01:26:24.260]  because we're going to send each one of them, whoever has owned this security instrument
[01:26:24.260 --> 01:26:35.020]  for whatever length of time, we'll send them a tort letter claiming that they enjoyed unjust
[01:26:35.020 --> 01:26:39.380]  enrichment at your expense through a fraudulent contract.
[01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:47.460]  We got the mortgage company over here who sold that instrument to them.
[01:26:47.460 --> 01:26:51.340]  Now, these guys are essentially innocent.
[01:26:51.340 --> 01:26:52.340]  They didn't do anything.
[01:26:52.340 --> 01:26:55.180]  They just bought an investment.
[01:26:55.180 --> 01:26:57.300]  They didn't know it was fraudulent.
[01:26:57.300 --> 01:27:01.500]  Well, tough, Bubba.
[01:27:01.500 --> 01:27:02.500]  You were...
[01:27:02.500 --> 01:27:03.500]  They're out of business.
[01:27:03.500 --> 01:27:06.020]  They filed bankruptcy in 07.
[01:27:06.020 --> 01:27:07.580]  Who cares?
[01:27:07.580 --> 01:27:09.340]  We want the guys.
[01:27:09.340 --> 01:27:13.540]  Somebody is acting as the servicer of the note.
[01:27:13.540 --> 01:27:14.540]  Right.
[01:27:14.540 --> 01:27:15.540]  Right.
[01:27:15.540 --> 01:27:21.860]  Whoever's coming after you, first thing we want to know is their agency.
[01:27:21.860 --> 01:27:22.860]  There's a lot of things we could do.
[01:27:22.860 --> 01:27:27.020]  It's going to take too long in the air because we've got a lot more callers, but there are
[01:27:27.020 --> 01:27:33.340]  a lot of things you can do to go after these guys and make their lives really, really miserable.
[01:27:33.340 --> 01:27:38.060]  So contact me off the air and we'll work you up an answer.
[01:27:38.060 --> 01:27:43.700]  Okay, and I'll have enough time to kind of stop them.
[01:27:43.700 --> 01:27:49.660]  When you file the cross complaint or the counter complaint, that'll stop them in their tracks.
[01:27:49.660 --> 01:27:50.660]  Okay.
[01:27:50.660 --> 01:27:54.100]  Well, I'll email you my information this evening.
[01:27:54.100 --> 01:27:55.100]  Okay.
[01:27:55.100 --> 01:27:56.820]  And I'll contact you sometime tomorrow.
[01:27:56.820 --> 01:27:57.820]  Yes.
[01:27:57.820 --> 01:28:01.980]  And Denise, our website is ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:28:01.980 --> 01:28:04.660]  And so you can download the archives of this show.
[01:28:04.660 --> 01:28:08.980]  They'll be posted later tonight so you'll be able to hear this conversation again.
[01:28:08.980 --> 01:28:15.700]  And also there's links to the email addresses on the website as well.
[01:28:15.700 --> 01:28:16.700]  Okay.
[01:28:16.700 --> 01:28:17.700]  Thank you very much.
[01:28:17.700 --> 01:28:21.740]  Oh, thank you for calling, Denise.
[01:28:21.740 --> 01:28:22.740]  And take heart.
[01:28:22.740 --> 01:28:23.740]  There is time.
[01:28:23.740 --> 01:28:25.100]  We can do something about this.
[01:28:25.100 --> 01:28:31.500]  Randy's been doing a lot of research on this exact subject, a lot, nonstop for the last
[01:28:31.500 --> 01:28:32.500]  several months.
[01:28:32.500 --> 01:28:33.500]  Great.
[01:28:33.500 --> 01:28:34.500]  Thank you.
[01:28:34.500 --> 01:28:35.500]  Thank you.
[01:28:35.500 --> 01:28:36.500]  Okay.
[01:28:36.500 --> 01:28:37.500]  You're welcome.
[01:28:37.500 --> 01:28:38.500]  Okay.
[01:28:38.500 --> 01:28:39.500]  Next is Henry in California.
[01:28:39.500 --> 01:28:41.300]  Henry, thanks for calling in.
[01:28:41.300 --> 01:28:42.300]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:28:42.300 --> 01:28:43.300]  Well, greetings.
[01:28:43.300 --> 01:28:44.300]  I'm sorry.
[01:28:44.300 --> 01:28:45.300]  I missed you last week.
[01:28:45.300 --> 01:28:48.780]  I ended up talking to Steve on the mortgage show.
[01:28:48.780 --> 01:28:50.940]  I've got the time.
[01:28:50.940 --> 01:28:51.940]  And so I was...
[01:28:51.940 --> 01:28:52.940]  Well, here you are now.
[01:28:52.940 --> 01:28:53.940]  Yes.
[01:28:53.940 --> 01:28:58.420]  As a matter of fact, I heard you on his show and I was going to chew you out about that.
[01:28:58.420 --> 01:29:01.060]  Oh, Randy.
[01:29:01.060 --> 01:29:02.060]  I do apologize.
[01:29:02.060 --> 01:29:10.500]  I was actually racing to see the bouncer of a nightclub at the site who I was told would
[01:29:10.500 --> 01:29:14.780]  be there at nine o'clock and I got all muddled and so I ended up having a very good chat
[01:29:14.780 --> 01:29:19.380]  with Steve and I did attempt to convey my apologies to you.
[01:29:19.380 --> 01:29:23.620]  Oh, don't worry about it.
[01:29:23.620 --> 01:29:25.300]  So what do you got for us?
[01:29:25.300 --> 01:29:30.700]  Well, anyway, I'm following through with what I was instructed to do.
[01:29:30.700 --> 01:29:31.900]  Oh, you know what?
[01:29:31.900 --> 01:29:32.900]  I'm sorry.
[01:29:32.900 --> 01:29:34.780]  I didn't see how much time was left.
[01:29:34.780 --> 01:29:36.380]  Got a break coming up.
[01:29:36.380 --> 01:29:39.940]  Just hang on the line, Henry, and we'll finish up with you on the other side.
[01:29:39.940 --> 01:29:40.940]  Excellent.
[01:29:40.940 --> 01:29:41.940]  Excellent.
[01:29:41.940 --> 01:29:42.940]  All right.
[01:29:42.940 --> 01:29:43.940]  We will be right back.
[01:29:43.940 --> 01:29:49.300]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, the rock star, Debra Stevens.
[01:29:49.300 --> 01:29:52.820]  We've still got some of our seminar participants hanging.
[01:29:52.820 --> 01:29:53.820]  Wait here with us.
[01:29:53.820 --> 01:29:54.820]  Listen to the show.
[01:29:54.820 --> 01:29:55.820]  We'll be right back.
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[01:30:56.660 --> 01:30:57.660]  Yeah.
[01:30:57.660 --> 01:30:58.660]  Who you want to chip?
[01:30:58.660 --> 01:30:59.660]  Who you take me from?
[01:30:59.660 --> 01:31:00.660]  Free Tully?
[01:31:00.660 --> 01:31:01.660]  Who you want to chip?
[01:31:01.660 --> 01:31:02.660]  Me no free Tully.
[01:31:02.660 --> 01:31:03.660]  You can't chip me.
[01:31:03.660 --> 01:31:04.660]  All I'm saying.
[01:31:04.660 --> 01:31:05.660]  Don't let them chip you in the morning, chip you in the evening.
[01:31:05.660 --> 01:31:06.660]  Put a chip in your body.
[01:31:06.660 --> 01:31:07.660]  And anyway, you go computer reading.
[01:31:07.660 --> 01:31:08.660]  You can't hide me from nobody.
[01:31:08.660 --> 01:31:09.660]  You can't hide me from nobody.
[01:31:09.660 --> 01:31:23.660]  When I say chip in your mouth, chip in your daddy, chip in your grandpa and the granny,
[01:31:23.660 --> 01:31:29.420]  chip in your meat, chip in your baby, chip in your family, whole family, chip in your
[01:31:29.420 --> 01:31:34.660]  dog and the cat around we, chip in the beef and you still go eat it, chip in the fish,
[01:31:34.660 --> 01:31:38.220]  them all in the sea, chip in the shark and the whale around we.
[01:31:38.220 --> 01:31:43.180]  You know still mankind gone chip crazy, them the kind of thing, man, they want to read
[01:31:43.180 --> 01:31:44.180]  e.
[01:31:44.180 --> 01:31:45.180]  Social security, them go tell we.
[01:31:45.180 --> 01:31:46.180]  Number with them give me, them rip it up you see.
[01:31:46.180 --> 01:31:47.180]  I'm chip you in the morning, chip you in the evening, chip you all the dinner time.
[01:31:47.180 --> 01:31:48.180]  Experiment on mankind, but man, you know say them lie.
[01:31:48.180 --> 01:31:49.180]  Well, we don't want no chip, man.
[01:31:49.180 --> 01:31:50.180]  You have your body.
[01:31:50.180 --> 01:31:51.180]  Freedom or something, man.
[01:31:51.180 --> 01:31:52.180]  You fight for we.
[01:31:52.180 --> 01:31:53.180]  You should tell them, them fi read e.
[01:31:53.180 --> 01:31:54.180]  Constitution set us free.
[01:31:54.180 --> 01:31:55.180]  Don't let them put no chip in your body.
[01:31:55.180 --> 01:31:56.180]  And anyway, you go computer reading.
[01:31:56.180 --> 01:31:57.180]  You can't chip me.
[01:31:57.180 --> 01:31:58.180]  Don't let them chip me.
[01:31:58.180 --> 01:31:59.180]  Don't let them chip me.
[01:31:59.180 --> 01:32:00.180]  Don't let them chip me.
[01:32:00.180 --> 01:32:01.180]  Don't let them chip me.
[01:32:01.180 --> 01:32:02.180]  Don't let them chip me.
[01:32:02.180 --> 01:32:10.140]  You should tell them, them fi read e.
[01:32:10.140 --> 01:32:14.040]  Constitution set us free.
[01:32:14.040 --> 01:32:18.860]  Don't let them put no chip in your body.
[01:32:18.860 --> 01:32:21.860]  Put no chip in you dog a cat you see.
[01:32:21.860 --> 01:32:23.860]  Don't put no chip in your cow and go eat it.
[01:32:23.860 --> 01:32:24.860]  Don't put no chip in the fish and go eat it.
[01:32:24.860 --> 01:32:25.860]  All in the wheel and the shark in the sea.
[01:32:25.860 --> 01:32:26.860]  Put the little chip in the little baby.
[01:32:26.860 --> 01:32:27.860]  Want to put the chip in a grandpa you see.
[01:32:27.860 --> 01:32:28.860]  Want to put the little chip in a Iman body.
[01:32:28.860 --> 01:32:29.860]  If me go hide in the Atlantic sea.
[01:32:29.860 --> 01:32:30.860]  Man did have to lie, me say you gone go find me.
[01:32:30.860 --> 01:32:35.860]  Sato le get mad, sato le get angry Two cheap dem use me say cross up you see
[01:32:35.860 --> 01:32:39.860]  Me say cheap inna di morning, cheap inna di evening, cheap inna your body body
[01:32:39.860 --> 01:32:44.860]  Manna let dem come come trip we Put no cheap inna di little baby
[01:32:44.860 --> 01:32:49.860]  Me say cheap inna di morning, cheap inna di evening, they want to come and not cheap me
[01:32:49.860 --> 01:32:53.860]  But they want to chip all inna di sea And the shark and the whale around me
[01:32:53.860 --> 01:32:56.860]  When me say, cheap for you mom, cheap for you daddy
[01:32:56.860 --> 01:33:01.860]  Cheap for the damn little, little baby Cheap for the shark dem we eat inna di sea
[01:33:01.860 --> 01:33:06.860]  Cheap for the whale, animal around me Cheap for the dog and the cat them you see
[01:33:06.860 --> 01:33:09.860]  Even want to chip, man, the chicken on me
[01:33:09.860 --> 01:33:10.860]  Chippin' inna di country, baby, baby
[01:33:10.860 --> 01:33:12.860]  Eddie Kelton, Eddie Craig, Debra Stevens
[01:33:12.860 --> 01:33:18.860]  We are speaking here with, we've got Henry from California
[01:33:18.860 --> 01:33:21.860]  And we also have Mike from Texas
[01:33:21.860 --> 01:33:26.860]  And Chris Emery, actually, Henry, if you could just hold on real quick
[01:33:26.860 --> 01:33:28.860]  Let's bring Chris up, he's one of the hosts on the network
[01:33:28.860 --> 01:33:30.860]  And he always, he's always real fast
[01:33:30.860 --> 01:33:32.860]  Randy, bring Chris up
[01:33:32.860 --> 01:33:34.860]  Certainly
[01:33:34.860 --> 01:33:37.860]  Hey, hey Chris, thanks for calling in
[01:33:37.860 --> 01:33:40.860]  What's on your mind tonight, have you been listening to the show?
[01:33:40.860 --> 01:33:43.860]  I have off and on, we're getting some stuff together here
[01:33:43.860 --> 01:33:47.860]  I want to congratulate you guys on your successful seminar this past weekend
[01:33:47.860 --> 01:33:51.860]  And the next time you guys hold one, I am going to make it a point to come down
[01:33:51.860 --> 01:33:54.860]  I really regret it not being able to come down
[01:33:54.860 --> 01:33:57.860]  Well, maybe we can do one in Oklahoma
[01:33:57.860 --> 01:33:58.860]  Well, there you go
[01:33:58.860 --> 01:34:01.860]  You know, we've had some transitions we're going through up here
[01:34:01.860 --> 01:34:02.860]  So that's why we couldn't make it
[01:34:02.860 --> 01:34:07.860]  But I want to, I guess we really got to tip the hat off to everybody that participated in the seminar
[01:34:07.860 --> 01:34:09.860]  It wouldn't have been a success without them
[01:34:09.860 --> 01:34:13.860]  So I want to thank all of them for stepping out of the box
[01:34:13.860 --> 01:34:17.860]  And really, you know, thinking outside of the norm and really taking a chance
[01:34:17.860 --> 01:34:21.860]  And I mean, my God, it's come back to them in a good way in spade
[01:34:21.860 --> 01:34:23.860]  So keep up the great work, guys
[01:34:23.860 --> 01:34:26.860]  Did you hear the story of Terry in Michigan?
[01:34:26.860 --> 01:34:27.860]  I have not
[01:34:27.860 --> 01:34:29.860]  Oh, Terry from Michigan
[01:34:29.860 --> 01:34:33.860]  Terry drove all the way down from Michigan for our seminar
[01:34:33.860 --> 01:34:37.860]  And when he was, or he traveled, as we now know
[01:34:37.860 --> 01:34:39.860]  He traveled all the way down from Michigan
[01:34:39.860 --> 01:34:45.860]  Because driving is a legal term that means that you are in commerce, acting in commerce
[01:34:45.860 --> 01:34:47.860]  So he traveled all the way down from Michigan
[01:34:47.860 --> 01:34:53.860]  And as he was traveling back through the state of Texas, he got pulled over by a DPS officer
[01:34:53.860 --> 01:34:56.860]  And Terry asked him, well, why did you pull me over?
[01:34:56.860 --> 01:35:00.860]  And the DPS officer said because he looked suspicious
[01:35:00.860 --> 01:35:06.860]  And started searching his car and opened the trunk and saw all the seminar materials
[01:35:06.860 --> 01:35:09.860]  Like the book that said Texas Transportation Code
[01:35:09.860 --> 01:35:14.860]  And some other legal books, law books that Terry had from us
[01:35:14.860 --> 01:35:20.860]  And the DPS officer slammed the trunk down, walked back around, gave him his license
[01:35:20.860 --> 01:35:23.860]  And said, have a good evening, sir
[01:35:23.860 --> 01:35:25.860]  That's awesome
[01:35:25.860 --> 01:35:27.860]  Isn't that incredible?
[01:35:27.860 --> 01:35:29.860]  So this stuff works, folks
[01:35:29.860 --> 01:35:31.860]  Even just having it in your car
[01:35:31.860 --> 01:35:36.860]  And that just shows me right there that the DPS officers already know, at least a lot of them
[01:35:36.860 --> 01:35:45.860]  Already know that the Texas Transportation Code only applies to persons engaged in commerce
[01:35:45.860 --> 01:35:53.860]  Not individual human beings, men or women who are traveling in their private conveyance
[01:35:53.860 --> 01:35:55.860]  Well, thanks for taking my call, guys
[01:35:55.860 --> 01:35:57.860]  Keep up the great work and I'll be listening to the show on the air
[01:35:57.860 --> 01:36:00.860]  All right, and we're looking forward to your show on Wednesday
[01:36:00.860 --> 01:36:03.860]  You're having David Ray Griffin on, is that right?
[01:36:03.860 --> 01:36:05.860]  G. Edward Griffin
[01:36:05.860 --> 01:36:07.860]  G. Edward Griffin, I'm sorry, I remembered the Griffin
[01:36:07.860 --> 01:36:10.860]  G. Edward Griffin, the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island
[01:36:10.860 --> 01:36:12.860]  That's wonderful, tune into their show Wednesday evening
[01:36:12.860 --> 01:36:14.860]  Guys, have a great evening, we'll talk to you later
[01:36:14.860 --> 01:36:15.860]  Thanks, Chris
[01:36:15.860 --> 01:36:20.860]  They cannot license our rights, especially the right to travel
[01:36:20.860 --> 01:36:24.860]  Okay, we are going to go back now to Henry in California
[01:36:24.860 --> 01:36:26.860]  Okay, go ahead, Henry
[01:36:26.860 --> 01:36:30.860]  You were speaking when the bumper music came in for the break
[01:36:30.860 --> 01:36:35.860]  Quite all right, so is my apology accepted or acceptable at least?
[01:36:35.860 --> 01:36:39.860]  Sure, except it's quite unnecessary
[01:36:39.860 --> 01:36:41.860]  Thank you, thank you very much
[01:36:41.860 --> 01:36:43.860]  Well, I have been busy
[01:36:43.860 --> 01:36:49.860]  I put an advertisement in Craigslist and I beat around the bushes more to find witnesses
[01:36:49.860 --> 01:36:54.860]  Amongst other things, but to go to the court, I got the police report that it's full of holes
[01:36:54.860 --> 01:36:56.860]  I'll get into that in a moment
[01:36:56.860 --> 01:36:59.860]  I did look at the Santa Barbara court so far
[01:36:59.860 --> 01:37:05.860]  And there are three witnesses and the alleged victim
[01:37:05.860 --> 01:37:08.860]  The alleged victim is not on the record for anything
[01:37:08.860 --> 01:37:10.860]  However, her father and mother are
[01:37:10.860 --> 01:37:14.860]  Domestic violence and other interesting things
[01:37:14.860 --> 01:37:17.860]  And then I proceeded to the witnesses
[01:37:17.860 --> 01:37:20.860]  I should also add that they seem to be in financial trouble
[01:37:20.860 --> 01:37:23.860]  Beneficial finances after the mother
[01:37:23.860 --> 01:37:27.860]  So there's motive from the family
[01:37:27.860 --> 01:37:34.860]  So unfortunately, the saddest part is there is no document search available
[01:37:34.860 --> 01:37:36.860]  One has to know the case number
[01:37:36.860 --> 01:37:38.860]  They don't have it online
[01:37:38.860 --> 01:37:40.860]  So that was a great thwarting
[01:37:40.860 --> 01:37:43.860]  However, going on to the other witnesses
[01:37:43.860 --> 01:37:46.860]  The prime witness, the unemployed bookkeeper
[01:37:46.860 --> 01:37:52.860]  Is once mentioned as having had a minor traffic infraction in 2000
[01:37:52.860 --> 01:37:54.860]  The other two witnesses
[01:37:54.860 --> 01:37:57.860]  One has a continuous history of domestic violence
[01:37:57.860 --> 01:38:02.860]  And the last one seems to have a brother who has something like
[01:38:02.860 --> 01:38:08.860]  50 not completely completed criminal cases
[01:38:08.860 --> 01:38:11.860]  And so those are our witnesses
[01:38:11.860 --> 01:38:16.860]  And the courts are not tied in together online
[01:38:16.860 --> 01:38:19.860]  I have to go to Ventura and Los Angeles courts this week
[01:38:19.860 --> 01:38:24.860]  To fish up more information if you think it's necessary
[01:38:24.860 --> 01:38:28.860]  In response to my advertisement in Craigslist
[01:38:28.860 --> 01:38:31.860]  I had a telephone call in broken English from Hollywood
[01:38:31.860 --> 01:38:37.860]  Turns out that something between eight and six Armenians
[01:38:37.860 --> 01:38:40.860]  Were up in Santa Barbara that evening for an art show
[01:38:40.860 --> 01:38:43.860]  Couldn't find it, were on their way back and saw the whole thing
[01:38:43.860 --> 01:38:45.860]  Two of them speak English, one rather broken
[01:38:45.860 --> 01:38:48.860]  The rest of them just speak Armenian
[01:38:48.860 --> 01:38:52.860]  And so that means I'll have to force the court to get me an Armenian translator
[01:38:52.860 --> 01:38:55.860]  This is getting fun
[01:38:55.860 --> 01:38:58.860]  That's the spirit
[01:38:58.860 --> 01:39:02.860]  Very nice people, and apparently very good artists
[01:39:02.860 --> 01:39:06.860]  I spoke with one of the shop owners, he rang me back
[01:39:06.860 --> 01:39:09.860]  And said that he saw it just afterwards
[01:39:09.860 --> 01:39:12.860]  The accident, and he said the whole thing looked like a scam
[01:39:12.860 --> 01:39:15.860]  Completely
[01:39:15.860 --> 01:39:19.860]  We have that, so now I've got between seven and ten witnesses
[01:39:19.860 --> 01:39:23.860]  Nine witnesses to their three
[01:39:23.860 --> 01:39:26.860]  And as I should mention too in the police report
[01:39:26.860 --> 01:39:31.860]  It says that two of those witnesses did not actually see the impact
[01:39:31.860 --> 01:39:34.860]  And the other witness said she did
[01:39:34.860 --> 01:39:37.860]  As place herself in two different positions
[01:39:37.860 --> 01:39:42.860]  Depending on whether you follow the adjuster's questioning
[01:39:42.860 --> 01:39:45.860]  Or the police officer's questioning
[01:39:45.860 --> 01:39:49.860]  And then the witnesses say that they saw no such
[01:39:49.860 --> 01:39:52.860]  They saw a woman get out of a car that was already parked
[01:39:52.860 --> 01:39:55.860]  Who answers the description of this witness
[01:39:55.860 --> 01:39:58.860]  So we've caught her in a contradiction and a lie
[01:39:58.860 --> 01:40:02.860]  So I then went and spoke with the law library
[01:40:02.860 --> 01:40:05.860]  And I'll report that in a moment
[01:40:05.860 --> 01:40:08.860]  They essentially said go and speak to the district attorney
[01:40:08.860 --> 01:40:12.860]  And with a great deal of patience all I could get was an investigator
[01:40:12.860 --> 01:40:14.860]  Who said that the best thing is to close the case
[01:40:14.860 --> 01:40:18.860]  Get this case resolved and then proceed to file a scam case
[01:40:18.860 --> 01:40:21.860]  If I so desire or the police want to take it in hand
[01:40:21.860 --> 01:40:23.860]  He told me the procedure of how it all worked
[01:40:23.860 --> 01:40:26.860]  And he said he'd be interested if I told him what's going on
[01:40:26.860 --> 01:40:30.860]  So he said that there may not be present but there will be
[01:40:30.860 --> 01:40:35.860]  And I think it's conducted under the interest of the DA's department
[01:40:35.860 --> 01:40:39.860]  That's the result of my research since we last spoke
[01:40:39.860 --> 01:40:41.860]  It sounds pretty thorough
[01:40:41.860 --> 01:40:43.860]  Nice work
[01:40:43.860 --> 01:40:45.860]  Thank you
[01:40:45.860 --> 01:40:49.860]  Now the only problem is you're going to find that in the instant case
[01:40:49.860 --> 01:40:54.860]  Most likely the scam suit will be a lot harder to prove up
[01:40:54.860 --> 01:40:57.860]  If it comes after the fact
[01:40:57.860 --> 01:41:01.860]  Whereas it can be used to your advantage in what's going on right now
[01:41:01.860 --> 01:41:04.860]  Irregardless of what the district attorney tells you
[01:41:04.860 --> 01:41:09.860]  This can be used to your advantage
[01:41:09.860 --> 01:41:12.860]  There is a section of the police report which is pictures
[01:41:12.860 --> 01:41:13.860]  Which I don't have
[01:41:13.860 --> 01:41:16.860]  The insurance adjuster has the pictures but not the report
[01:41:16.860 --> 01:41:19.860]  So I need to see those pictures
[01:41:19.860 --> 01:41:22.860]  But when I went to get them they wanted $20
[01:41:22.860 --> 01:41:25.860]  And I thought well why waste $20 on this case
[01:41:25.860 --> 01:41:27.860]  And I can just as well get it from the insurance company
[01:41:27.860 --> 01:41:28.860]  So I declined
[01:41:28.860 --> 01:41:32.860]  But I asked them about the procedure for filing a scam case
[01:41:32.860 --> 01:41:36.860]  And they said they had not enough manpower, they wouldn't even take it
[01:41:36.860 --> 01:41:39.860]  How do I deal with that?
[01:41:39.860 --> 01:41:42.860]  That's not your problem
[01:41:42.860 --> 01:41:44.860]  That's their problem
[01:41:44.860 --> 01:41:47.860]  You file the case and just tell them look
[01:41:47.860 --> 01:41:54.860]  That you're trying to keep from being defrauded yourself
[01:41:54.860 --> 01:41:59.860]  And you understand they're not going to have time to pursue the case
[01:41:59.860 --> 01:42:02.860]  But you need it filed on the record
[01:42:02.860 --> 01:42:06.860]  Or at the very least you can approach your insurance company
[01:42:06.860 --> 01:42:09.860]  You can give them all the research information that you've dug up
[01:42:09.860 --> 01:42:12.860]  And you can just tell it to them like this
[01:42:12.860 --> 01:42:15.860]  If you care to pay the claim, that's your business
[01:42:15.860 --> 01:42:19.860]  However, based upon the information I have and the evidence I have
[01:42:19.860 --> 01:42:22.860]  My rates will not go up because you choose to pay
[01:42:22.860 --> 01:42:26.860]  And on top of that, I would prefer that you actually
[01:42:26.860 --> 01:42:30.860]  Put the effort into assisting me in going after these people
[01:42:30.860 --> 01:42:33.860]  For the fraud they're attempting to commit against both of us
[01:42:33.860 --> 01:42:40.860]  Or you might ask the adjuster to call some other adjusters for other companies
[01:42:40.860 --> 01:42:43.860]  And see if these same names come up
[01:42:43.860 --> 01:42:46.860]  That also would help
[01:42:46.860 --> 01:42:51.860]  You could actually, you know, the adjuster could do a few calls
[01:42:51.860 --> 01:42:57.860]  And if he gets a hit, then he gets to be a hero
[01:42:57.860 --> 01:43:02.860]  If I may introduce this subject now, which is not very pleasant
[01:43:02.860 --> 01:43:05.860]  My insurance carrier is AAA
[01:43:05.860 --> 01:43:09.860]  And I've had a very good relation with them for years
[01:43:09.860 --> 01:43:11.860]  And I think they do a very good job
[01:43:11.860 --> 01:43:15.860]  However, I'm getting from the adjuster, and this is not recent
[01:43:15.860 --> 01:43:18.860]  The desire is simply to close the case
[01:43:18.860 --> 01:43:21.860]  And I have not found much cooperation
[01:43:21.860 --> 01:43:24.860]  She asked me to scan in and send to the police report
[01:43:24.860 --> 01:43:26.860]  She's not offered to send me the pictures
[01:43:26.860 --> 01:43:28.860]  This is something I have to do in the morning
[01:43:28.860 --> 01:43:30.860]  Is to try to get the pictures from her
[01:43:30.860 --> 01:43:32.860]  Listen, listen, Henry, listen
[01:43:32.860 --> 01:43:39.860]  This sounds like this is going to be somewhat of a long conversation, discussion about this topic
[01:43:39.860 --> 01:43:42.860]  We have one segment left, and we have two other callers
[01:43:42.860 --> 01:43:47.860]  And we've pretty much decided we can only spend one segment call right now
[01:43:47.860 --> 01:43:49.860]  That's kind of a new format that we've taken on
[01:43:49.860 --> 01:43:51.860]  Can you please call back in on Thursday?
[01:43:51.860 --> 01:43:54.860]  We'll discuss it on Thursday because we have other listeners waiting for a call
[01:43:54.860 --> 01:43:55.860]  Randy, an email
[01:43:55.860 --> 01:43:57.860]  All right, we'll be right back
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[01:45:17.860 --> 01:45:24.860]  Some things in this world I will never understand
[01:45:24.860 --> 01:45:28.860]  Some things I realize fully
[01:45:28.860 --> 01:45:33.860]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman
[01:45:33.860 --> 01:45:37.860]  Somebody's gonna police the police
[01:45:37.860 --> 01:45:41.860]  There's always a room at the top of the hill
[01:45:41.860 --> 01:45:46.860]  I hear things are great, fine and it's lonely, let's do
[01:45:46.860 --> 01:45:50.860]  They're wishing it was more than opposition, the bills
[01:45:50.860 --> 01:45:54.860]  They know that if they don't do it, somebody will
[01:45:54.860 --> 01:45:58.860]  Some things in this world I will never understand
[01:45:58.860 --> 01:46:02.860]  Some things I realize fully
[01:46:02.860 --> 01:46:07.860]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman
[01:46:07.860 --> 01:46:12.860]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman
[01:46:12.860 --> 01:46:15.860]  Somebody's gonna police the policeman
[01:46:15.860 --> 01:46:20.860]  That would be us and that would be our listeners and the attendees of our seminar
[01:46:20.860 --> 01:46:24.860]  It's already working, the techniques are already working, just having the materials in the car
[01:46:24.860 --> 01:46:27.860]  Okay, we're going now to Mike in Texas
[01:46:27.860 --> 01:46:30.860]  Mike, thank you for patiently holding, Deloitte from Idaho will be next
[01:46:30.860 --> 01:46:32.860]  We'll take both your calls this segment
[01:46:32.860 --> 01:46:34.860]  Thanks for holding Mike, what's on your mind?
[01:46:34.860 --> 01:46:38.860]  Hey, thanks for taking my call, I really enjoyed the seminar this weekend
[01:46:38.860 --> 01:46:42.860]  I found it very empowering
[01:46:42.860 --> 01:46:46.860]  Thank you, that's what we want
[01:46:46.860 --> 01:46:55.860]  I almost, I stress almost wanted to get pulled over on the way home
[01:46:55.860 --> 01:46:58.860]  You're a sick man
[01:46:58.860 --> 01:47:01.860]  Not quite that masochistic, but almost
[01:47:01.860 --> 01:47:04.860]  I actually have a quick question for Randy
[01:47:04.860 --> 01:47:15.860]  I really enjoyed the method that he put forth about going after the municipal, the city attorneys
[01:47:15.860 --> 01:47:21.860]  and the district attorney by way of putting a criminal complaint in front of the district judge
[01:47:21.860 --> 01:47:24.860]  and invoking his duty as a magistrate
[01:47:24.860 --> 01:47:30.860]  For the life of me, I can't seem to find, in my notes where I wrote this down
[01:47:30.860 --> 01:47:32.860]  I probably didn't write it down
[01:47:32.860 --> 01:47:40.860]  What document, what instrument are you attaching that criminal complaint to
[01:47:40.860 --> 01:47:45.860]  when you originally approach the bench and say I have something for you?
[01:47:45.860 --> 01:47:52.860]  You file a motion to disqualify, I'm sorry, a challenge to the jurisdiction
[01:47:52.860 --> 01:47:56.860]  Okay, it's the challenge to the jurisdiction, okay
[01:47:56.860 --> 01:48:01.860]  You claim that guy didn't have any jurisdiction and because he didn't have any jurisdiction
[01:48:01.860 --> 01:48:05.860]  and he was carrying that loaded pistol, well that's aggravated assault
[01:48:05.860 --> 01:48:16.860]  So attached you'll find an allegation of aggravated assault in support of my statement here
[01:48:16.860 --> 01:48:20.860]  Well, they're going to see that as an attachment, not paying attention to it
[01:48:20.860 --> 01:48:27.860]  Haha, bad move, gotcha, because when they see it, it invokes their duty
[01:48:27.860 --> 01:48:33.860]  But we're not going to tell them it invokes their duty, they're going to just think it's just a standard attachment
[01:48:33.860 --> 01:48:40.860]  In fact, both the prosecutor and the judge invokes both their duties
[01:48:40.860 --> 01:48:46.860]  And when you file on them in a higher court, they're all going to be scratching their head
[01:48:46.860 --> 01:48:51.860]  wondering what's going on and that's really what you want
[01:48:51.860 --> 01:48:55.860]  You do something to them and it takes them a while to get it figured out
[01:48:55.860 --> 01:49:00.860]  Then they figure you know something they don't
[01:49:00.860 --> 01:49:11.860]  But yes, it attaches, essentially any motion you file with the court that would make an accusation
[01:49:11.860 --> 01:49:20.860]  against an official, include the criminal complaint as a statement in support of the accusation
[01:49:20.860 --> 01:49:26.860]  And when the prosecutor looks at it, he's going to see this criminal complaint
[01:49:26.860 --> 01:49:30.860]  and it's going to have this statement on it and he's not going to think much of it
[01:49:30.860 --> 01:49:35.860]  What he's not going to think about is what Article 2.03 says
[01:49:35.860 --> 01:49:42.860]  If a prosecuting attorney is made known that a public official has violated a law relating to his office
[01:49:42.860 --> 01:49:45.860]  he shall reduce complaint to an information smith or an jury
[01:49:45.860 --> 01:49:51.860]  It doesn't say if he's made known by a police officer in his office
[01:49:51.860 --> 01:49:56.860]  by the police officer coming in and handing him a statement in a criminal complaint
[01:49:56.860 --> 01:50:02.860]  It doesn't say anything about that kind of thing, it just says if he's made known
[01:50:02.860 --> 01:50:08.860]  Now, a few years ago, what it said, they changed the wording
[01:50:08.860 --> 01:50:18.860]  If a prosecuting attorney is made known in any manner that a public official has violated a law
[01:50:18.860 --> 01:50:24.860]  They changed the wording but not the substantive intent of the statute
[01:50:24.860 --> 01:50:27.860]  So it still intends the same thing
[01:50:27.860 --> 01:50:30.860]  That's the accusation we make
[01:50:30.860 --> 01:50:36.860]  He was made known that a crime has been committed and he didn't do what Article 2.03 told him to do
[01:50:36.860 --> 01:50:41.860]  and thereby denied me an equal protection of the laws
[01:50:41.860 --> 01:50:44.860]  in violation of 39.03 penal code
[01:50:44.860 --> 01:50:48.860]  It's a class A misdemeanor in Texas
[01:50:48.860 --> 01:50:54.860]  And you might say, since he did not present the complaint to the grand jury
[01:50:54.860 --> 01:50:56.860]  he tampered with a government document
[01:50:56.860 --> 01:51:02.860]  because he secreted a document from the agency or person it was directed to
[01:51:02.860 --> 01:51:06.860]  37.10 penal code makes that a felony in Texas
[01:51:06.860 --> 01:51:10.860]  And also, we have about seven minutes left and we have another caller
[01:51:10.860 --> 01:51:16.860]  Well, that was my question, it's the challenge to the jurisdiction
[01:51:16.860 --> 01:51:17.860]  Yes
[01:51:17.860 --> 01:51:20.860]  Thanks again folks, keep up the great fight
[01:51:20.860 --> 01:51:23.860]  I wish I could be down there with you tonight
[01:51:23.860 --> 01:51:27.860]  That's okay, thanks for being with us over the weekend
[01:51:27.860 --> 01:51:29.860]  You bet, looking forward to the next one
[01:51:29.860 --> 01:51:33.860]  Okay, we're going to go now to, yes thank you Mike
[01:51:33.860 --> 01:51:35.860]  Thank you for all the participants
[01:51:35.860 --> 01:51:38.860]  We're going now to Deloitte in Idaho
[01:51:38.860 --> 01:51:42.860]  Thanks Deloitte for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:51:42.860 --> 01:51:45.860]  Hi Deborah, Randy, Eddie
[01:51:45.860 --> 01:51:54.860]  I got notified today that you remember I got this RICO civil rights claim
[01:51:54.860 --> 01:51:56.860]  against the Coeur d'Alene Police Department
[01:51:56.860 --> 01:52:00.860]  They want to depose me on the 5th of November
[01:52:00.860 --> 01:52:07.860]  And I was wondering if it would be a good idea for me to demand that they produce the questions
[01:52:07.860 --> 01:52:13.860]  they intend to ask me in writing so that I can have time to prepare for them
[01:52:13.860 --> 01:52:15.860]  What do you all think of that?
[01:52:15.860 --> 01:52:22.860]  It's a great idea, I don't know if Idaho law requires them to do that
[01:52:22.860 --> 01:52:28.860]  But that is absolutely a reasonable request anyway
[01:52:28.860 --> 01:52:31.860]  I'm in federal court on this
[01:52:31.860 --> 01:52:35.860]  Oh, I'm not sure about federal court either
[01:52:35.860 --> 01:52:37.860]  Well you can still ask
[01:52:37.860 --> 01:52:42.860]  Yeah, whether it requires it or not, it's a reasonable request
[01:52:42.860 --> 01:52:44.860]  I mean, really?
[01:52:44.860 --> 01:52:49.860]  You want to be able to answer completely and thoroughly
[01:52:49.860 --> 01:52:52.860]  This is what Kathy was talking about earlier
[01:52:52.860 --> 01:52:56.860]  Exactly, that's precisely the same issue
[01:52:56.860 --> 01:53:01.860]  And it's reasonable that you want to give them good complete answers
[01:53:01.860 --> 01:53:03.860]  So what are your questions?
[01:53:03.860 --> 01:53:06.860]  I don't see why the court would deny it
[01:53:06.860 --> 01:53:11.860]  I don't want to be blindsided is my intention
[01:53:11.860 --> 01:53:13.860]  That's a good plan, don't be
[01:53:13.860 --> 01:53:16.860]  Don't be blindsided, I mean in your request you can say
[01:53:16.860 --> 01:53:20.860]  I want to be able to give the best answers possible
[01:53:20.860 --> 01:53:25.860]  So I need to be able to prepare, I'd like the questions submitted in writing
[01:53:25.860 --> 01:53:29.860]  At least, whatever, 21 days in advance to the deposition
[01:53:29.860 --> 01:53:38.860]  It's essentially a maxim that in civil procedures there can be no surprise
[01:53:38.860 --> 01:53:42.860]  It's intended that both sides have full disclosure
[01:53:42.860 --> 01:53:43.860]  Yeah, it's not like criminal
[01:53:43.860 --> 01:53:48.860]  This is not some contest where you get to trick the other person
[01:53:48.860 --> 01:53:52.860]  And that really comes from case law
[01:53:52.860 --> 01:54:02.860]  That this is an intent to find a just and equitable solution to a controversy
[01:54:02.860 --> 01:54:08.860]  Unlike criminal, in criminal you can surprise the prosecution
[01:54:08.860 --> 01:54:11.860]  Yeah, but they can't surprise you
[01:54:11.860 --> 01:54:15.860]  Right, they have to give you everything, you don't have to give them squat
[01:54:15.860 --> 01:54:21.860]  They can't start pulling out brand new evidence that has not been shared with your defense attorney
[01:54:21.860 --> 01:54:25.860]  Or you personally if you're pro bono, pro se I mean
[01:54:25.860 --> 01:54:28.860]  That's the only time surprise is allowed
[01:54:28.860 --> 01:54:31.860]  The defense can surprise the prosecution
[01:54:31.860 --> 01:54:33.860]  And civil surprise is a no-no
[01:54:33.860 --> 01:54:35.860]  It's a non-issue
[01:54:35.860 --> 01:54:38.860]  So you're standing on a maximum of law
[01:54:38.860 --> 01:54:40.860]  Yeah, absolutely
[01:54:40.860 --> 01:54:42.860]  That would be a great one
[01:54:42.860 --> 01:54:45.860]  And in some states it's a requirement
[01:54:45.860 --> 01:54:47.860]  Yeah, and it's going to drive the other side crazy
[01:54:47.860 --> 01:54:49.860]  They're going to hate that because they want a bushwhack
[01:54:49.860 --> 01:54:52.860]  Yeah, but they can't
[01:54:52.860 --> 01:54:56.860]  Good, so I think that's a great idea
[01:54:56.860 --> 01:54:59.860]  Good, good, I'm glad you all approve
[01:54:59.860 --> 01:55:03.860]  And make them pay you good for showing up
[01:55:03.860 --> 01:55:06.860]  Gas money, you know
[01:55:06.860 --> 01:55:10.860]  These folks here, they sent them ten bucks
[01:55:10.860 --> 01:55:12.860]  And they complained about it
[01:55:12.860 --> 01:55:18.860]  And the attorney sent them a letter saying, I'll bring my checkbook
[01:55:18.860 --> 01:55:21.860]  So make them bring their checkbook
[01:55:21.860 --> 01:55:25.860]  Is that typical, Randy, that people get paid for this sort of thing?
[01:55:25.860 --> 01:55:29.860]  In this case, you may not be able to be reimbursed
[01:55:29.860 --> 01:55:33.860]  Because you are one of the litigants
[01:55:33.860 --> 01:55:38.860]  The people that were talking earlier were not litigants to the cause that was going on
[01:55:38.860 --> 01:55:40.860]  Oh, so absolutely they should be reimbursed
[01:55:40.860 --> 01:55:45.860]  So you can't just drag somebody out of their life and not reimburse them for the time
[01:55:45.860 --> 01:55:50.860]  And that's why the attorney had no problem with bringing his checkbook
[01:55:50.860 --> 01:55:53.860]  Because he's going to charge it to his client anyway
[01:55:53.860 --> 01:55:55.860]  And whoever loses pay
[01:55:55.860 --> 01:55:56.860]  Right
[01:55:56.860 --> 01:56:01.860]  But since you are the litigant, you know, they may object to it
[01:56:01.860 --> 01:56:03.860]  But it still doesn't hurt to ask
[01:56:03.860 --> 01:56:08.860]  Exactly, it still doesn't hurt to make them squirm
[01:56:08.860 --> 01:56:10.860]  I would demand it
[01:56:10.860 --> 01:56:15.860]  So how's your case going? Is anything moved on it?
[01:56:15.860 --> 01:56:22.860]  This is the first news I've had on this case since it was filed on the 20th of February of this year
[01:56:22.860 --> 01:56:26.860]  Because it's scheduled for trial in April
[01:56:26.860 --> 01:56:29.860]  Don't hold your breath on the first one
[01:56:29.860 --> 01:56:33.860]  Oh, I'm not, I expect that to be moved
[01:56:33.860 --> 01:56:38.860]  And if you can build a good case, expect the deal before
[01:56:38.860 --> 01:56:43.860]  Right at the courthouse steps, that's when they generally make the deal
[01:56:43.860 --> 01:56:48.860]  They will fight you like a tiger right until you get to the courthouse door
[01:56:48.860 --> 01:56:53.860]  And then all of a sudden, let's make our deal
[01:56:53.860 --> 01:56:58.860]  They don't realize how stubborn I'm going to be with settling
[01:56:58.860 --> 01:57:00.860]  Because I have other intentions
[01:57:00.860 --> 01:57:06.860]  I have intentions of exposing the criminal activity of these guys
[01:57:06.860 --> 01:57:10.860]  It's going to cost them a lot of money for my silence
[01:57:10.860 --> 01:57:13.860]  And even then, I don't want to be silent
[01:57:13.860 --> 01:57:16.860]  Good, that's what they need
[01:57:16.860 --> 01:57:19.860]  We need more people kicking them in the teeth that way
[01:57:19.860 --> 01:57:25.860]  And especially over something as minor as not having a light on your bicycle
[01:57:25.860 --> 01:57:27.860]  Yeah, give me a break
[01:57:27.860 --> 01:57:29.860]  You heinous criminal
[01:57:29.860 --> 01:57:32.860]  How could you?
[01:57:32.860 --> 01:57:36.860]  This is a good case to hammer them on
[01:57:36.860 --> 01:57:38.860]  Indeed
[01:57:38.860 --> 01:57:40.860]  So I'm real pleased with you
[01:57:40.860 --> 01:57:43.860]  We need more people around the country doing this
[01:57:43.860 --> 01:57:46.860]  We need to turn them this way and this stuff will end
[01:57:46.860 --> 01:57:51.860]  Absolutely, did you hear earlier, Deloitte, about Terry from Michigan who drove down for a seminar
[01:57:51.860 --> 01:57:56.860]  And he had the materials in his car, he got pulled over by the DPS officer here in Texas
[01:57:56.860 --> 01:57:59.860]  Just because he looked suspicious
[01:57:59.860 --> 01:58:04.860]  And then he started searching his car and saw the law books and all the seminar materials
[01:58:04.860 --> 01:58:09.860]  He slammed the trunk and said, you're free to go
[01:58:09.860 --> 01:58:12.860]  Yes, I heard it and I thought that was fantastic
[01:58:12.860 --> 01:58:13.860]  That's awesome
[01:58:13.860 --> 01:58:16.860]  Alright, thank you, Deloitte
[01:58:16.860 --> 01:58:21.860]  Okay, we are at the end of the show
[01:58:21.860 --> 01:58:25.860]  We're at the end of the show, this is the rule of law, we'll be back Thursday
[01:58:25.860 --> 01:58:30.860]  I'm Deborah Stevens, I'm here with Eddie Craig, the superstar
[01:58:30.860 --> 01:58:34.860]  And Ray Kelton
[01:58:34.860 --> 01:58:39.860]  And we are live at Break New Books, we still have seminar participants here with us
[01:58:39.860 --> 01:58:45.860]  So we are very glad to help more people and want to help more
[01:58:45.860 --> 01:59:13.860]  Be back Thursday night
[01:59:13.860 --> 01:59:23.860]  If you are a chucky, chucky, no body chuck it from me
[01:59:23.860 --> 01:59:34.860]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't watch my size, I'm dangerous, I'm dangerous
[01:59:34.860 --> 01:59:41.860]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't watch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous
[01:59:41.860 --> 01:59:43.860]  When you eat, I'm fine
[01:59:45.860 --> 01:59:47.860]  You treat me good
[01:59:48.860 --> 01:59:50.860]  If you drink, let's sue
[01:59:52.860 --> 01:59:54.860]  You better treat me good
[01:59:54.860 --> 02:00:09.860]  I'm like a step