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[01:04.560 --> 01:10.240] Protesters say they plan to air their opposition to the undemocratic way the G20 operates [01:10.240 --> 01:15.440] and the decisions the group makes which affect the more than six billion inhabitants of this planet. [01:15.440 --> 01:22.560] Mayor Luke Ravenstal says protesters will be allowed to exercise their constitutional freedom [01:22.560 --> 01:26.960] of speech and assembly within sight and sound of the summit venue. [01:26.960 --> 01:37.840] Ravenstal has also called in 4,000 federal police officers to back up local security forces [01:37.840 --> 01:40.080] at a cost of $18 million. [01:40.080 --> 01:45.600] The G20 comprises the G7 plus the EU and other leading world economies. [01:48.400 --> 01:52.960] Investigators have uncovered documents exposing an international drug ring [01:52.960 --> 01:59.040] operating from New York City behind the swine flu fright and vaccination preparations. 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[04:53.720 --> 05:02.800] All right, bad boys, bad boys, what are you gonna do when they come for you, when we [05:02.800 --> 05:04.520] come for you? [05:04.520 --> 05:08.040] This is the rule of law. [05:08.040 --> 05:14.720] We've got Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, of course, and I have a very special [05:14.720 --> 05:15.960] guest tonight. [05:15.960 --> 05:20.720] One of our hosts, one of our newest hosts, actually been on the air for a few months [05:20.720 --> 05:28.120] now, Gary Johnson of the show Live and Let Live, hadn't had a chance to really accurately [05:28.120 --> 05:30.760] or adequately promote his show. [05:30.760 --> 05:37.080] Gary Johnson's been a broadcaster for 20 years on Cable Access here in Austin. [05:37.080 --> 05:38.920] He does a libertarian show. [05:38.920 --> 05:44.320] He's got great guests, got an excellent show, and he had me on last night for a few minutes. [05:44.320 --> 05:53.240] So we're having him on tonight, we're gonna talk about this FCC issue and regulating the [05:53.240 --> 05:54.240] internet. [05:54.240 --> 06:02.200] I got an email over the weekend about this FCC hearing that was this morning here in [06:02.200 --> 06:07.960] Austin regarding providing internet service and regulating the internet and stuff, and [06:07.960 --> 06:09.680] we're like, what is going on here? [06:09.680 --> 06:16.000] And so it turns out this was one of only three scheduled national public broadband field [06:16.000 --> 06:17.880] hearings by the FCC. [06:17.880 --> 06:19.200] Today was the first one. [06:19.200 --> 06:23.520] We're gonna have one in Washington, D.C., and then another one in South Carolina. [06:23.520 --> 06:31.760] And so we wanted to find out what is going on here, because obviously, you know, it's [06:31.760 --> 06:37.760] looking like the FCC, the government, they want to get their claws dug into the internet. [06:37.760 --> 06:41.400] And we've heard for a long time, oh, the government's gonna take over the internet. [06:41.400 --> 06:42.400] They're gonna regulate. [06:42.400 --> 06:44.080] Well, how can they do that anyway? [06:44.080 --> 06:50.200] Well, we found out today just what their evil plans are. [06:50.200 --> 06:57.320] This is how the government is going to try to take over and control the internet. [06:57.320 --> 07:01.160] They are gonna be an internet service provider. [07:01.160 --> 07:10.280] It looks like a series of private-public partnerships between major infrastructure companies and [07:10.280 --> 07:12.520] the FCC. [07:12.520 --> 07:18.720] They're going to provide a service, and this is all part of a government plan, the national [07:18.720 --> 07:20.960] broadband plan. [07:20.960 --> 07:24.680] And the sad part is that this has already done deal, folks. [07:24.680 --> 07:28.800] The kind of public hearing that was today, I don't even know why they called it a public [07:28.800 --> 07:29.800] hearing. [07:29.800 --> 07:33.880] They basically did not want any public input at all. [07:33.880 --> 07:35.800] They wouldn't let any of us speak. [07:35.800 --> 07:40.240] They didn't have any chance for people to get up and make comments or ask questions. [07:40.240 --> 07:47.920] You could write a question down on a three-by-five card, and these questions were highly censored, [07:47.920 --> 07:49.200] as Gary will tell you. [07:49.200 --> 07:55.200] He submitted a question, and they changed the wording of his question when the representative [07:55.200 --> 07:58.300] from the FCC was asking his question. [07:58.300 --> 08:03.360] So at any rate, we found out that the reason that they weren't accepting any public input, [08:03.360 --> 08:08.160] really, basically whatsoever, is because it's a done deal. [08:08.160 --> 08:17.060] They passed a law in February of this year, part of Obama's stimulus package, basically [08:17.060 --> 08:25.080] to implement this national broadband plan, which is going to be wireless internet all [08:25.080 --> 08:28.680] over the nation for everyone. [08:28.680 --> 08:32.680] And it's going to be an ISP that is the government. [08:32.680 --> 08:38.200] And so it looks like what their big evil plan is, is they are going to start, the government [08:38.200 --> 08:46.400] is going to start broadcasting internet, basically set up giant nodes, towers, you know, like [08:46.400 --> 08:51.520] if you go to a coffee shop and they'll have a powerful Wi-Fi antenna, well, that's what [08:51.520 --> 08:52.680] they're going to do. [08:52.680 --> 08:57.760] They're going to make wireless, like giant wireless towers, like radio towers. [08:57.760 --> 09:03.320] They're going to use radio frequencies and have a big powerful antenna where you can [09:03.320 --> 09:10.400] like wirelessly access the internet on this antenna from like a 10 mile radius. [09:10.400 --> 09:13.200] And that's how they're going to control the content. [09:13.200 --> 09:17.080] That's how they're going to get everything off of your computer. [09:17.080 --> 09:20.760] And of course, there's going to be strings attached and all these things. [09:20.760 --> 09:26.760] And so the government's going to be this big ISP that's going to be wireless internet. [09:26.760 --> 09:35.520] And they're going to make it so cheap, possibly even free, that basically they're going to [09:35.520 --> 09:40.600] put all the other ISPs out of business unless they play along. [09:40.600 --> 09:46.880] And the way that they're, even the hardware manufacturers, like the gentleman representing [09:46.880 --> 09:53.160] from Dell today was showing the laptop of the future, they're doing away with all hard [09:53.160 --> 09:59.720] wire stuff, no more ethernet, no more routers, all these kinds of things that your computers [09:59.720 --> 10:04.400] are going to wirelessly talk to each other in the next room, how they're going to set [10:04.400 --> 10:05.400] up networking. [10:05.400 --> 10:06.400] Okay. [10:06.400 --> 10:07.400] So they're changing. [10:07.400 --> 10:11.400] They're going to be changing the whole way that the computers are designed to get rid [10:11.400 --> 10:22.480] of the hard wire connection so that they want to do away with cable, internet, DSL, any [10:22.480 --> 10:30.560] kind of hard wire way of providing internet so that the only way you'll be able to get [10:30.560 --> 10:36.800] online is through one of these wireless access nodes provided by guess who? [10:36.800 --> 10:44.180] The government, the government can provide you with access to the wireless internet and [10:44.180 --> 10:45.800] control your whole scene. [10:45.800 --> 10:46.800] All right. [10:46.800 --> 10:49.880] That's what their big evil plan is. [10:49.880 --> 10:55.520] And so it's kind of a very scary thing. [10:55.520 --> 10:58.720] I don't know how we can stop it because basically it's like a done deal. [10:58.720 --> 11:02.520] The law has already been passed in February. [11:02.520 --> 11:06.720] And so basically what was going on today is they're just talking about how they're going [11:06.720 --> 11:08.920] to do it. [11:08.920 --> 11:15.040] And I did happen to see an article on what really happened.com. [11:15.040 --> 11:20.520] This is Michael Rivera talking about an autonomous internet. [11:20.520 --> 11:28.280] There's a movement going on now to educate people basically how to set up their own access [11:28.280 --> 11:30.560] nodes to the internet. [11:30.560 --> 11:34.600] Basically the kind of thing that the FCC and these corporations are talking about doing [11:34.600 --> 11:41.920] on a large scale basis, like having one giant powerful tower for people to access the internet [11:41.920 --> 11:45.160] for radius of like 10 miles or whatever. [11:45.160 --> 11:53.560] Instead of that, having people basically get their, have someone to get your own DNS server. [11:53.560 --> 11:54.640] Okay. [11:54.640 --> 12:00.240] And hopefully at a data center someplace so that you get tapped right to portal to get [12:00.240 --> 12:03.040] tapped right directly into the internet. [12:03.040 --> 12:13.520] And then set up your own little wireless nodes, low power wireless nodes and set up a small [12:13.520 --> 12:22.840] closed network, wireless network like in your own community, like maybe on your own block. [12:22.840 --> 12:29.520] And so that your neighbors, your friends, you set up your own access point node to tap [12:29.520 --> 12:36.680] directly into the internet through your DNS server, get a different name server too. [12:36.680 --> 12:41.160] So you totally bypass all the internet service providers. [12:41.160 --> 12:49.160] And so it looks to me like what the solution could be is by basically working on a small [12:49.160 --> 12:55.840] scale and having on a community by community basis, neighborhood by neighborhood basis, [12:55.840 --> 13:02.240] even on a block by block basis, set up the small wireless closed. [13:02.240 --> 13:07.000] Now they won't be like, you can't make it like a hotspot, you know, like a coffee house [13:07.000 --> 13:14.240] or something because you know, you don't really want to let anybody have access to the internet [13:14.240 --> 13:19.720] through your DNS server because if somebody commits crimes, you know, uploads poor child [13:19.720 --> 13:24.800] porn and stuff like that, then they're going to come after whoever is in, is in control [13:24.800 --> 13:25.800] of that server. [13:25.800 --> 13:26.800] Okay. [13:26.800 --> 13:32.240] So this is, this is for a community, for a neighborhood to be able to basically tap directly [13:32.240 --> 13:38.880] into the internet without having to go through an ISP. [13:38.880 --> 13:44.320] And so if we get enough people doing this on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis, we'll [13:44.320 --> 13:52.320] basically, we'll be able to take back total control of our internet without the government [13:52.320 --> 13:56.000] or the corporations being able to do anything about it. [13:56.000 --> 14:02.200] So you know, it's not going to be an easy thing to set up wireless access points like [14:02.200 --> 14:07.720] that and manage them and such, but you know, we're going to have to educate ourselves about [14:07.720 --> 14:14.640] DNS servers and name servers and how to deal with all these internet protocols and such. [14:14.640 --> 14:21.360] If we want to keep control of our internet, because right now it looks like the government [14:21.360 --> 14:27.400] is planning on basically taking over by becoming the biggest, cheapest ISP that's going to [14:27.400 --> 14:29.360] offer the best service. [14:29.360 --> 14:36.800] And since, guess what people, since it's on the airwaves, that's how the FCC is going [14:36.800 --> 14:42.360] to be able to come in and regulate it, or at least that's how they're going to try to. [14:42.360 --> 14:46.520] I mean, from research, Randy and I have done, it looks to us like the FCC doesn't really [14:46.520 --> 14:48.880] have jurisdiction to regulate the airwaves anyway. [14:48.880 --> 14:49.880] That's another story. [14:49.880 --> 14:54.320] At any rate, that looks like to me what the big evil plan is. [14:54.320 --> 14:58.480] So Gary, thank you for sitting through my rant. [14:58.480 --> 14:59.480] What do you think about this? [14:59.480 --> 15:01.400] What, what is your take on all of this? [15:01.400 --> 15:04.000] You know, you were taking notes today and you got there a little sooner than, earlier [15:04.000 --> 15:05.000] than us. [15:05.000 --> 15:10.400] Well, I think, you know, the thing that amazed me, you already said this Debra, is that this [15:10.400 --> 15:17.240] was billed as a hearing and as you said, there wasn't any hearing and basically they had [15:17.240 --> 15:20.000] these two panel discussions. [15:20.000 --> 15:29.400] They were both moderated by the FCC commissioner, Meredith A. Baker, who was recently appointed [15:29.400 --> 15:33.840] by Barack, President Obama. [15:33.840 --> 15:39.400] I think there are five people on the commission and it's very partisan. [15:39.400 --> 15:45.240] It's like, it has to be three members, has to be the member of the political party that [15:45.240 --> 15:46.400] is in the White House. [15:46.400 --> 15:49.480] So there are three Democrats right now, there used to be three Republicans. [15:49.480 --> 15:55.960] The other two members are the other party and she actually is a Republican, but she's [15:55.960 --> 15:58.120] appointed by Barack Obama. [15:58.120 --> 16:03.200] She moderated these two panel discussions and they basically, each panel had, I think [16:03.200 --> 16:08.920] about six or seven people on it and they just kind of droned on and on about their particular [16:08.920 --> 16:15.360] interests, which mostly seemed to be getting money from the stimulus plan. [16:15.360 --> 16:20.880] That's what was passed in February was the big stimulus plan and there's money in there [16:20.880 --> 16:30.520] for this national broadband plan, including money to provide broadband in rural areas, [16:30.520 --> 16:35.680] where it's right now not economically feasible. [16:35.680 --> 16:42.360] She basically, as you moderated this thing, people got to ask questions by writing them [16:42.360 --> 16:49.000] on a card and it'd be interesting to have somebody study the body language of Ms. Baker [16:49.000 --> 16:55.120] because she, I don't think she liked the questions because she didn't ask most of them. [16:55.120 --> 17:00.560] She had a whole stack of cards, but she acted like she ran out of questions and she didn't [17:00.560 --> 17:03.080] really ask a lot of the questions. [17:03.080 --> 17:08.080] I did submit a question, as you said, and she said, and she, my question was the first [17:08.080 --> 17:12.360] one she asked, but she did edit it a great deal. [17:12.360 --> 17:24.120] I asked, how can we, the people, stop you from wasting our money on these panel discussions, [17:24.120 --> 17:30.920] from redistributing, quote, other people's money, unquote, to these lobbyists, from interfering [17:30.920 --> 17:36.040] with freedom of the press, from micromanaging broadband, and how can we make you get out [17:36.040 --> 17:37.040] of the way? [17:37.040 --> 17:43.440] And she just changed that to how can we get out of the way because, and then, of course, [17:43.440 --> 17:49.480] there are some people on these panels who were industry people and, of course, actually, [17:49.480 --> 17:56.160] they all talk very technical about things that, you know, about different spectrum and [17:56.160 --> 17:57.160] so forth. [17:57.160 --> 18:01.520] So it was like, for most of us, it was like, who cares what these people are saying? [18:01.520 --> 18:04.960] I should point out the room was full of people. [18:04.960 --> 18:10.440] It was a big crowd, and I assume that nearly all the people in the room were lobbyists [18:10.440 --> 18:11.440] who were talking too much. [18:11.440 --> 18:18.760] I would say, yeah, yeah, it is very odd that the room was full, but they only released [18:18.760 --> 18:22.720] the press release for this so-called public hearing last Wednesday. [18:22.720 --> 18:27.220] I mean, we just caught wind of it over the weekend, and all these people were obviously [18:27.220 --> 18:28.220] big business people. [18:28.220 --> 18:32.160] They all had suits and ties and everything, and they were just highly interested in what [18:32.160 --> 18:33.160] these panelists. [18:33.160 --> 18:39.960] And, yeah, all the panelists represented some sector of the communications business and [18:39.960 --> 18:45.280] how they're all getting together to make this big new plan happen. [18:45.280 --> 18:50.920] And see, there was some of us, you know, from the Patriot community here in Austin that [18:50.920 --> 18:57.480] found out about this over the weekend, and, you know, I ran a PSA and everything, and, [18:57.480 --> 19:02.260] you know, just starting last night because we just found out about it yesterday afternoon. [19:02.260 --> 19:06.880] And so, yeah, she was not wanting to read our questions. [19:06.880 --> 19:07.880] That's for sure. [19:07.880 --> 19:14.520] And, see, our questions weren't directed at the panelists of people that were representing [19:14.520 --> 19:16.040] the private industry. [19:16.040 --> 19:18.920] We were directing our questions at her. [19:18.920 --> 19:24.680] We wanted her to answer the questions, but that's not how this whole thing was set up. [19:24.680 --> 19:34.560] It was set up basically like the FCC is rolling out the red carpet for these industries for [19:34.560 --> 19:39.600] them to set this whole infrastructure up, and the whole panel discussion and the whole [19:39.600 --> 19:45.280] nature of the questions was for people to ask the experts, the panelists questions. [19:45.280 --> 19:49.240] Well, I really don't care how they plan on doing this. [19:49.240 --> 19:54.000] I wanted to ask her things, and like Gary, you know, I believe your question was basically [19:54.000 --> 19:55.680] more targeted towards her. [19:55.680 --> 20:00.760] Like how are we going to stop you, the government, the FCC, from pulling this crap and allowing [20:00.760 --> 20:01.760] this? [20:01.760 --> 20:07.400] And so, when she read Gary's question, you know, she basically shortened it to asking [20:07.400 --> 20:14.200] the panelists, how can we, the FCC, basically stay out of you guys' way for y'all to do [20:14.200 --> 20:15.200] this, you know? [20:15.200 --> 20:19.200] And, I mean, this definitely was an FCC public hearing of a sort. [20:19.200 --> 20:20.200] They just weren't taking public input. [20:20.200 --> 20:23.200] I mean, I don't even know why they call it a hearing. [20:23.200 --> 20:26.600] It was more like a, you know, presentation more than anything. [20:26.600 --> 20:32.720] And so, you've got all these people representing private businesses, but they're sitting at [20:32.720 --> 20:42.000] a big table, and there's a giant, you know, lettering and sign and insignia, Federal Communications [20:42.000 --> 20:48.800] Commission on this table, but yet these people work for private industry. [20:48.800 --> 20:52.840] And I'm like, okay, something's wrong with this picture, okay? [20:52.840 --> 20:54.380] This guy's from AT&T. [20:54.380 --> 21:00.520] This other guy's a professor at UT that's been studying wireless, you know, access points [21:00.520 --> 21:01.800] and on and on and on. [21:01.800 --> 21:08.540] So why are they, like, sitting at this table, and it's like, it says giant FCC on it? [21:08.540 --> 21:11.560] You guys are not the FCC, y'all are private business. [21:11.560 --> 21:17.120] And then you've got this woman here, appointed by Obama, who's, you know, just like basically, [21:17.120 --> 21:21.880] oh yes, this is wonderful, why don't you guys want, I mean, and they're talking overtly [21:21.880 --> 21:28.800] about private-public, the whole thing's private-public partnership, you know, so yeah, anyway, go [21:28.800 --> 21:30.760] ahead, Gary, you know. [21:30.760 --> 21:35.160] Well, yeah, and you know, they all want the money, the stimulus money, and this is just [21:35.160 --> 21:36.360] the beginning. [21:36.360 --> 21:39.800] So that's, you know, that's their interest in all of this. [21:39.800 --> 21:44.080] There were some things that came up that I thought were just sort of mentioned that seemed [21:44.080 --> 21:45.560] ominous. [21:45.560 --> 21:49.960] One of the panelists, I forgot which one's talked a lot about the smart grid, which is [21:49.960 --> 21:55.680] controlling your metering and monitoring your electricity use. [21:55.680 --> 21:59.520] One of the things they said a lot about was mapping the broadband. [21:59.520 --> 22:06.840] So they want to have a big map showing where all the broadband signals are right now. [22:06.840 --> 22:12.080] And one guy pointed out that the United Nations also set some of these standards. [22:12.080 --> 22:16.800] One person, I want to disagree with you about one thing, Debra, you say it's a done deal. [22:16.800 --> 22:19.120] I'm not so sure it is a done deal. [22:19.120 --> 22:24.720] I know that the stimulus money is a done deal, but they are literally writing up a plan. [22:24.720 --> 22:33.020] And so I think the plan itself is not a done deal, even though it's not open to the public. [22:33.020 --> 22:36.360] But I think it's still possible for us to influence them. [22:36.360 --> 22:37.720] Well, yeah, I'm sorry. [22:37.720 --> 22:42.500] It's like the plan, the details of the plan itself are not a done deal. [22:42.500 --> 22:52.080] But the fact that the funding is there to make this quote, national broadband plan happen, [22:52.080 --> 22:54.440] I mean, that part has been passed already. [22:54.440 --> 22:57.960] And so now they're just trying to figure out how they're going to do it. [22:57.960 --> 23:03.280] And all those people in that room, I mean, you could tell they attended that hearing [23:03.280 --> 23:07.160] because they're trying to get in on a piece of the action. [23:07.160 --> 23:10.840] How are we going to make, how are we going to cash in on this too? [23:10.840 --> 23:13.840] Because it looks like big business to us. [23:13.840 --> 23:19.560] And one thing that I thought was encouraging towards the end, they had some other FCC commissioner [23:19.560 --> 23:20.560] get up there. [23:20.560 --> 23:22.520] There was like three of them. [23:22.520 --> 23:23.520] Two other women got up. [23:23.520 --> 23:24.520] They weren't commissioners. [23:24.520 --> 23:25.520] They were with the FCC. [23:25.520 --> 23:26.520] Okay. [23:26.520 --> 23:27.520] They were with the FCC. [23:27.520 --> 23:34.160] Well, the one who was kind of real young, like a blonde bimbo kind of type. [23:34.160 --> 23:40.800] And she was saying that she wanted to make sure and impress upon everyone in the room [23:40.800 --> 23:46.920] that all of this implementation and this whole, the whole success of this whole project is [23:46.920 --> 23:52.800] going to depend on them being able to sell it to the public. [23:52.800 --> 23:59.120] And that if they can't get people to actually buy into it and go along with it, then this [23:59.120 --> 24:00.280] is all for naught. [24:00.280 --> 24:04.040] Didn't she say something like that, Gary, at the end, that blonde lady? [24:04.040 --> 24:07.200] So see, they're not even sure they're going to be able to do it. [24:07.200 --> 24:12.720] And so if we like put up a fight against it or like this autonomous internet group, we [24:12.720 --> 24:18.800] just start setting up our own wireless access points in our own communities into the internet. [24:18.800 --> 24:22.440] We're just like, we're not going to need these guys. [24:22.440 --> 24:25.680] So yeah, it looks like we can try to at least stop it or influence it. [24:25.680 --> 24:27.480] So go ahead, Gary. [24:27.480 --> 24:31.840] Well, I'd actually be curious to know what Randy has to say about this because I talked [24:31.840 --> 24:38.640] to him while he was there and he has something to say about how this will lead to controlling [24:38.640 --> 24:39.640] the internet. [24:39.640 --> 24:40.640] Are you there, Randy? [24:40.640 --> 24:42.640] Yeah, I'm here. [24:42.640 --> 24:48.560] While I was standing there listening to them, I felt like a frog swimming across the river [24:48.560 --> 24:51.760] with a scorpion on my back. [24:51.760 --> 24:54.560] And I told this to the commissioner. [24:54.560 --> 24:56.560] You talked to Meredith? [24:56.560 --> 24:58.120] Yes. [24:58.120 --> 25:04.160] Right next to me was standing a guy from a guy was standing there from cable. [25:04.160 --> 25:11.000] And I asked her, what is to keep this wireless technology as this infusion of money from [25:11.000 --> 25:17.920] the government will allow them to develop the technology more quickly? [25:17.920 --> 25:24.360] And once the technology gets expanded, it will become less costly. [25:24.360 --> 25:31.160] What is to keep these wireless technologies from moving from the rural areas into the [25:31.160 --> 25:37.120] urban areas and swamping the system and putting these cable guys over here out of business [25:37.120 --> 25:43.840] so that you take all of the hardwired internet and move it up into the air where the FCC [25:43.840 --> 25:46.320] can control content? [25:46.320 --> 25:50.000] Well, that's not what we're trying to do at all. [25:50.000 --> 25:51.000] Oh, BS. [25:51.000 --> 25:57.120] When I told her, yes, in listening to you, I feel like the frog with the scorpion. [25:57.120 --> 26:03.680] For those of you who haven't heard it, the joke, the frog is caught by a scorpion right [26:03.680 --> 26:04.680] by the river. [26:04.680 --> 26:07.760] And the frog asked the scorpion not to sting him. [26:07.760 --> 26:14.800] And the scorpion tells him he won't sting him if you'll help him swim across the river. [26:14.800 --> 26:21.760] So the frog agrees and halfway across the river, the scorpion stings him and the frog [26:21.760 --> 26:23.240] said, why did you do that? [26:23.240 --> 26:25.480] Now we will both die. [26:25.480 --> 26:29.040] He said, the scorpion said, I couldn't help myself. [26:29.040 --> 26:30.040] I'm a scorpion. [26:30.040 --> 26:32.400] It's what I do. [26:32.400 --> 26:33.400] So the scorpion committed suicide just to... [26:33.400 --> 26:40.080] The FCC may not, it may not be their intent to swallow land-based internet. [26:40.080 --> 26:41.080] Oh, please. [26:41.080 --> 26:42.080] Of course it is. [26:42.080 --> 26:46.760] We're giving them a little credit, even if it's not their intent, it will be the outcome. [26:46.760 --> 26:47.760] Yeah. [26:47.760 --> 26:49.400] Well, I agree with you, Randy. [26:49.400 --> 26:52.600] I don't know if all the people in that room, even most of the people in that room have [26:52.600 --> 26:55.340] a plan to control the internet. [26:55.340 --> 27:00.400] But as you say, this inevitably leads to that where the people who do want to control the [27:00.400 --> 27:06.200] internet will have in place the system to control the internet. [27:06.200 --> 27:11.720] And also they definitely are planning on doing this in urban areas. [27:11.720 --> 27:16.440] But I mean, they're talking the big talk about the rule of setting up these wireless transmitter [27:16.440 --> 27:22.200] towers in rural areas, I should say the access nodes in rural areas. [27:22.200 --> 27:26.120] But when the guy from the University of Texas was talking, I mean, he was talking about [27:26.120 --> 27:31.200] doing it in urban areas for sure and having hotspots set up and all these sort of things. [27:31.200 --> 27:39.320] So yeah, they want to totally transition the internet from being a hardline base to, you [27:39.320 --> 27:46.480] know, a hardline base to being totally wireless in the air. [27:46.480 --> 27:51.640] And you know, they're just going to make it so cheap that these other communication companies, [27:51.640 --> 27:52.640] they're going to have to get on board. [27:52.640 --> 27:56.760] In fact, there were people from AT&T there, you know, so they know they're going to have [27:56.760 --> 28:00.680] to they're going to have to go along with this or they think they are. [28:00.680 --> 28:05.920] And you and I, we're going to pay the bill for them stealing our liberty from us. [28:05.920 --> 28:08.360] No, I think, you know, that's part of the stimulus package. [28:08.360 --> 28:12.960] That's what's funding this, you know, but I'm not going to pay. [28:12.960 --> 28:22.960] I am not, I will not subscribe to any internet service offered by the government, period. [28:22.960 --> 28:30.960] Wireless or not, if they succeed in this and basically put all private ISPs out of business, [28:30.960 --> 28:33.160] I will get my own DNS server. [28:33.160 --> 28:38.520] Okay, I will, I know now, I know how to tap into the internet directly. [28:38.520 --> 28:44.120] You know, it's not going to be the easiest thing, but you know, we really are going to [28:44.120 --> 28:48.840] have to step up to the plate and start educating ourselves and figuring out how we're going [28:48.840 --> 28:54.880] to get into the internet ourselves and bypass these ISPs and bypass the government internet [28:54.880 --> 28:56.840] service and all these kinds of things. [28:56.840 --> 29:02.120] And you know, it's really not hard because the infrastructure is there already. [29:02.120 --> 29:06.840] You know, all you need to do is have a DNS server and you know, you're going to want [29:06.840 --> 29:12.520] to change your name server so you don't have to go through the internet service providers [29:12.520 --> 29:14.880] and these sort of things. [29:14.880 --> 29:21.480] And you may not have the fastest connection, but you know, I'll tell you what, if I have [29:21.480 --> 29:27.320] to have a little bit slower internet connection and be able to keep my freedom and liberty [29:27.320 --> 29:35.080] and my open access to the real internet, it's a small price to pay, really. [29:35.080 --> 29:42.120] I mean, this is getting pretty scary here and I don't quite know how to stop these guys, [29:42.120 --> 29:43.120] really. [29:43.120 --> 29:51.280] I mean, I'm hoping that it's going, it's not going to be as feasible, easily, as feasibly [29:51.280 --> 29:52.280] implemented. [29:52.280 --> 29:57.300] They call it deployed, you know, the kind of terminology they use, it's military or [29:57.300 --> 30:00.760] something, a deployment of the broadband. [30:00.760 --> 30:08.680] And see, when you go on the FCC website, they don't, they really don't mention that this [30:08.680 --> 30:10.960] is all wireless. [30:10.960 --> 30:13.720] They call it the national broadband plan. [30:13.720 --> 30:14.720] Okay. [30:14.720 --> 30:19.800] And yeah, I know like they have like what they have, what they call broadband cards, [30:19.800 --> 30:24.640] you know, like little PCMCIA cards for your laptop that you can get online as long as [30:24.640 --> 30:28.200] you're within, you know, the range of a cell phone tower. [30:28.200 --> 30:32.800] That's basically, you know, internet, wireless internet on a larger scale right now, what [30:32.800 --> 30:33.800] you have. [30:33.800 --> 30:34.800] And they're called broadband cards. [30:34.800 --> 30:39.880] But I mean, for years and years and years before there was ever such a thing as Wi-Fi [30:39.880 --> 30:45.760] or these broadband cards we could get online through a cell phone reception, I mean, I've [30:45.760 --> 30:52.520] always known broadband to be, you know, like high bandwidth broadband, like IE cable internet [30:52.520 --> 30:55.040] or DSL. [30:55.040 --> 31:01.800] I mean, so people who've been like in the techie kind of world for a long time, it's [31:01.800 --> 31:06.560] like it kind of, it didn't quite hit me what they meant when they're saying the national [31:06.560 --> 31:11.160] broadband plan, you know, why don't they just come out with it and say it? [31:11.160 --> 31:14.680] It's the national wireless internet plan. [31:14.680 --> 31:19.160] It's like they're almost kind of hiding the fact that they're planning on making it all [31:19.160 --> 31:20.640] completely and totally wireless. [31:20.640 --> 31:23.640] It doesn't say the word wireless anywhere on any of these websites. [31:23.640 --> 31:29.000] I mean, it took a while for me even being at this hearing today, if you want to even [31:29.000 --> 31:31.760] call it that, to get the gist of it. [31:31.760 --> 31:37.600] I mean, it's like, it was like the W word, you know, nobody wanted to say it, you know, [31:37.600 --> 31:42.720] and after a while it's like, you know, it would slip out, it was like, oh, that's what [31:42.720 --> 31:44.720] this is all about. [31:44.720 --> 31:50.720] Well, you know, actually, if you look at some of the stuff, there is a debate, they say [31:50.720 --> 31:54.440] in some of these documents, we have to define what broadband means. [31:54.440 --> 31:59.400] And so, you know, they get it, that's part of the national plan, what is broadband and [31:59.400 --> 32:01.040] it can include wireless. [32:01.040 --> 32:07.320] So they're kind of, you know, if you define your terms, you control the debate, I'm going [32:07.320 --> 32:12.800] to point out that a lot of this is a little bit of class warfare and so forth, you know, [32:12.800 --> 32:17.960] the rural areas don't have as good a broadband or any broadband as the urban areas. [32:17.960 --> 32:25.160] And just my little political rant here, broadband internet service is not a right and you do [32:25.160 --> 32:28.240] not have a right to have it provided to you by the government. [32:28.240 --> 32:33.000] And the government has no authority under the Constitution to do any of this. [32:33.000 --> 32:38.140] And the government has no authority to provide free printing presses to rural areas. [32:38.140 --> 32:44.480] So they have rural newspapers and they don't have the authority to provide free broadband [32:44.480 --> 32:46.440] service to rural areas. [32:46.440 --> 32:53.080] So, you know, we need to understand that this whole thing is completely fraudulent and, [32:53.080 --> 32:59.560] you know, they have already pushed the envelope to get away with what they're pushing right [32:59.560 --> 33:00.560] now. [33:00.560 --> 33:01.560] Exactly. [33:01.560 --> 33:03.920] That was what my whole testimony was about. [33:03.920 --> 33:09.400] See, I made up a written testimony, basically, Gary, saying what you basically, exactly what [33:09.400 --> 33:10.580] you're just saying. [33:10.580 --> 33:16.980] We don't have a right to any service period, okay, and the government is not, does not [33:16.980 --> 33:21.080] have the authority to provide any services, namely this. [33:21.080 --> 33:25.080] And see, the whole thing, you can just see the ruse. [33:25.080 --> 33:32.120] This is about getting wireless into the main urban areas so they can control the internet [33:32.120 --> 33:33.120] of the masses. [33:33.120 --> 33:38.720] I mean, they're not going to spend billions of dollars in all this research and development. [33:38.720 --> 33:42.120] Oh, because we just are so nice. [33:42.120 --> 33:45.680] We want to provide high speed internet to the rural areas. [33:45.680 --> 33:51.240] There's not enough people to foot the bill for this, okay? [33:51.240 --> 33:57.480] This is the litmus test, the rural areas, the litmus test, and they're using the humanitarian [33:57.480 --> 34:03.560] excuse of, oh, we need to bring the broadband to the rural areas. [34:03.560 --> 34:06.760] These poor people can't get online high speed. [34:06.760 --> 34:09.000] Ah, give me a break. [34:09.000 --> 34:13.680] You know, I can hear the tiniest violin in the world playing. [34:13.680 --> 34:19.240] When I told this commissioner that it was my concern that they were trying to bring [34:19.240 --> 34:25.960] everything to the air so they could take control, she got a look on her face that Deborah would [34:25.960 --> 34:30.200] describe as a cat with a feather sticking out of his mouth. [34:30.200 --> 34:33.040] She almost took a step back away from me. [34:33.040 --> 34:34.040] Now, what do they think? [34:34.040 --> 34:35.040] We're stupid? [34:35.040 --> 34:39.480] Well, you got to remember there's technology out there that will allow them to throw up [34:39.480 --> 34:46.240] an interfering bandwidth transmission so they can block all communications that are wireless [34:46.240 --> 34:48.200] at any time they wish. [34:48.200 --> 34:53.360] Now, the other problem we have in this is find me anywhere where the constitution granted [34:53.360 --> 35:00.440] authority to any branch of the government to compete with the private sector in a market [35:00.440 --> 35:03.440] of any kind. [35:03.440 --> 35:12.240] They're not going to compete, they're going to do the same thing they did with radio. [35:12.240 --> 35:18.680] They're going to put this in the hands of a few major players that they control. [35:18.680 --> 35:20.760] It's a public private partnerships. [35:20.760 --> 35:26.440] And Eddie, you're right, even if people set up their own wireless access nodes in their [35:26.440 --> 35:34.680] own neighborhoods, the government could blast some radio transmission and destroy it, but [35:34.680 --> 35:37.080] they're still going to have these telephone lines. [35:37.080 --> 35:40.000] There's still going to be the cable companies. [35:40.000 --> 35:46.960] We can set up our own DSL service if we have to, basically. [35:46.960 --> 35:56.640] We can use Time Warner Cable or Cox.net, whatever cable service, and just use their infrastructure [35:56.640 --> 36:04.560] basically for the lines and access our own name servers and our own DNS servers through [36:04.560 --> 36:05.560] the hard lines. [36:05.560 --> 36:12.040] They're not going to be able to stop us from setting up our own access points directly [36:12.040 --> 36:14.160] into the internet. [36:14.160 --> 36:17.680] They know they're not going to be able to stop us from doing that. [36:17.680 --> 36:23.080] They're just trying to pull the wool over the masses' eyes. [36:23.080 --> 36:26.120] That's what it looks like to me. [36:26.120 --> 36:27.600] Go ahead, Eddie. [36:27.600 --> 36:31.920] Well, the point of what Randy's talking about though, about how it's going to be a public [36:31.920 --> 36:37.520] private partnership to make all this work out for them, the problem I see with this [36:37.520 --> 36:45.240] to begin with is this partnership allows them to grant particular access and rights to a [36:45.240 --> 36:48.520] company that otherwise wouldn't have them. [36:48.520 --> 36:51.640] The problem I've had with a lot of things that the federal government thinks it can [36:51.640 --> 36:56.160] regulate, find anywhere in the Constitution where it says the federal government has the [36:56.160 --> 36:58.720] right to regulate bandwidth. [36:58.720 --> 37:02.600] The federal government has the right to regulate this, that, or the other. [37:02.600 --> 37:04.700] It doesn't exist. [37:04.700 --> 37:10.260] This thing about how they misinterpret the Commerce Clause and how they also tend to [37:10.260 --> 37:18.520] misinterpret the 18 enumerated powers where the Commerce Clause basically does away with [37:18.520 --> 37:23.040] the 18 enumerated and gives them anything they want. [37:23.040 --> 37:30.520] I have a real problem with American people that just sit back and let this happen. [37:30.520 --> 37:35.400] The founding fathers would walk around and just kick every one of us first in our butts [37:35.400 --> 37:39.560] and then in our teeth for letting this go on for as long as it has. [37:39.560 --> 37:41.760] I know, for letting it get so far. [37:41.760 --> 37:50.080] I mean, Eddie, you're totally right about this interstate Commerce Clause thing. [37:50.080 --> 37:57.080] I don't know if you're familiar with the Supreme Court case, Rach versus Ashcroft. [37:57.080 --> 38:02.280] This is about medical marijuana in the state of California. [38:02.280 --> 38:06.240] It really wasn't about drug prohibition or anything like this. [38:06.240 --> 38:12.640] It was about states' rights and the interstate Commerce Clause. [38:12.640 --> 38:19.920] If the courts hadn't stretched the interstate Commerce Clause to the hilt before this case, [38:19.920 --> 38:25.960] oh man, I mean, they just about obliterated states' rights under the interstate Commerce [38:25.960 --> 38:28.520] Clause in that case. [38:28.520 --> 38:33.680] The whole case about Rach versus Ashcroft was about concerning these medical marijuana [38:33.680 --> 38:40.000] clinics that are regulated and authorized under California state law. [38:40.000 --> 38:42.840] There's no commerce involved whatsoever for one thing. [38:42.840 --> 38:51.160] The growers of the marijuana donate the plants to these clinics and they have to be... The [38:51.160 --> 38:56.840] patients are on doctor's prescriptions, like real doctors, MDs. [38:56.840 --> 39:00.480] These people are generally terminally ill, dying. [39:00.480 --> 39:05.560] Cancer patients, it's the only thing that keeps them out of pain and it's the only thing, [39:05.560 --> 39:11.240] by the way, that calms their digestive system down enough so that they can eat. [39:11.240 --> 39:16.160] These cancer patients that are on chemotherapy, they give them all kinds of drugs so that [39:16.160 --> 39:20.960] they can eat so they're not sick to their stomach all the time and none of it works. [39:20.960 --> 39:24.680] Marijuana is the only thing that works so that these people can stay out of pain and [39:24.680 --> 39:28.120] actually keep food down on their stomachs. [39:28.120 --> 39:33.920] So Ashcroft, at the time, he goes in there with SWAT teams, federal SWAT teams, guns [39:33.920 --> 39:41.320] blazing, yanking little old ladies, elderly 80-year-old men and women in wheelchairs and [39:41.320 --> 39:46.320] bedridden out of their beds and out of their wheelchairs, slamming them on the floor because [39:46.320 --> 39:52.760] they're in these medical marijuana clinics and they have prescriptions and such and so [39:52.760 --> 40:01.160] they were taking down this woman, Angel Rach, who is a cancer victim and who was in one [40:01.160 --> 40:03.360] of these clinics. [40:03.360 --> 40:08.440] She had a team of lawyers and their case looked really, really good. [40:08.440 --> 40:14.480] You even had states like Alabama writing amicus briefs to the Supreme Court saying, we don't [40:14.480 --> 40:20.440] agree with what our sister state, California, is doing. [40:20.440 --> 40:26.560] We're highly in a drug prohibition and all, but we do stand with the fact that they are [40:26.560 --> 40:33.800] sovereign state and they have a right to do this and we're employing the court to uphold [40:33.800 --> 40:39.180] states' rights here because there's no commerce to regulate in the first place and everything [40:39.180 --> 40:43.080] that was going on was inside the state of California anyway. [40:43.080 --> 40:50.720] And the Solicitor General made the most BS-weakest argument I'd ever heard in my life to try [40:50.720 --> 40:52.520] to invoke the interstate commerce clause. [40:52.520 --> 40:58.760] He said if some of the marijuana happened across state lines, then it would affect the [40:58.760 --> 41:05.580] overall supply and demand of marijuana across the nation and especially if it had seeds [41:05.580 --> 41:13.480] in it and so therefore the prices of marijuana would change by some tenth of a quarter of [41:13.480 --> 41:20.280] one percent of one penny or something and so therefore it would be affecting interstate [41:20.280 --> 41:22.240] commerce of the black market. [41:22.240 --> 41:26.600] And so as a federal government, we have the right to regulate this under the Constitution. [41:26.600 --> 41:31.680] I could not believe that was the argument they made and the Supreme Court ruled in favor [41:31.680 --> 41:37.960] five to four, including Scalia, who's supposed to be the big conservative and he's generally [41:37.960 --> 41:42.040] always ruled in states' rights favor before but not this time. [41:42.040 --> 41:48.040] So yeah, Eddie, I mean they've taken the interstate commerce clause and stretched it like peanut [41:48.040 --> 41:49.040] butter. [41:49.040 --> 41:55.440] Well, yeah, well, our courts have started taking stupid pills by the bucket, Bushel. [41:55.440 --> 42:03.360] Well, yes, but our state legislators have appeared to feel like that case stretched [42:03.360 --> 42:08.720] the limit too far because look what Montana and Tennessee has done. [42:08.720 --> 42:18.640] They passed law that said if it's in the state, the feds can stay the heck out. [42:18.640 --> 42:23.600] And these Tenth Amendment initiatives, the states are responding to this with their own [42:23.600 --> 42:26.040] initiatives to stop the feds. [42:26.040 --> 42:30.080] Well, you know, the thing is, Sheriff Mack's got it right. [42:30.080 --> 42:32.280] We don't need the legislature to do this. [42:32.280 --> 42:35.160] We just need the county sheriffs to do this. [42:35.160 --> 42:40.920] The county sheriffs can tell them if you set foot in my county, you're going to my jail [42:40.920 --> 42:43.940] and let that be the end of it. [42:43.940 --> 42:48.960] Because anytime the feds step foot in the county and the sheriff has said stay out, [42:48.960 --> 42:51.720] all bets are off at that point. [42:51.720 --> 42:59.680] Basically if you go through the FOIAs and the paperwork set up that Sheriff Mack did, [42:59.680 --> 43:05.320] you know, he FOIAed the federal government to get a list of properties owned by the federal [43:05.320 --> 43:09.520] government that the federal government has jurisdiction over in his whole state. [43:09.520 --> 43:16.960] And then he also got basically the matching paperwork from the Secretary of State to prove [43:16.960 --> 43:23.680] not just on a constitutional level, but to prove through actual paperwork from the feds [43:23.680 --> 43:30.520] and the state that the feds had no jurisdiction in his county and that's how he won a Supreme [43:30.520 --> 43:36.000] Court case and really was able to stand his ground on a, you know, solid legal standing [43:36.000 --> 43:40.120] of kicking them, kicking the feds out of his county. [43:40.120 --> 43:45.120] We need to follow up, let's do the same thing here, you know, even just ourselves if the [43:45.120 --> 43:48.160] sheriff won't do it. [43:48.160 --> 43:55.000] Well the other thing he had in his benefit there as far as the jurisdiction goes, I mean, [43:55.000 --> 44:00.520] does a lot of people out there not understand that federal jurisdiction does not exist within [44:00.520 --> 44:06.440] the borders of the state unless the land has been ceded to the government? [44:06.440 --> 44:10.240] That doesn't mean rented, that doesn't mean purchased. [44:10.240 --> 44:16.800] They can own everything that's in the building, but if the land the building sits on has not [44:16.800 --> 44:21.480] been ceded, then their jurisdiction doesn't exist. [44:21.480 --> 44:26.440] Yes, that's what these FOIAs are about, is to find out the properties that have been [44:26.440 --> 44:31.200] ceded to the federal government and that will prove in a shadow of a doubt whether they [44:31.200 --> 44:36.800] have jurisdiction in a certain area or not. [44:36.800 --> 44:44.760] So Gary, back to Gary, I don't know how long you could stay with us, but you got there [44:44.760 --> 44:49.600] at the beginning, I believe, we were kind of scrambling to get there really, not too [44:49.600 --> 44:54.080] much early morning people around here, but can you please, like you were taking notes [44:54.080 --> 45:01.600] and stuff, can you give us some highlights and some tidbits, what were the big red flags [45:01.600 --> 45:06.480] that you saw here and what did you find that was the most interesting, what we should look [45:06.480 --> 45:10.120] out for, or what was going on here? [45:10.120 --> 45:13.680] It felt like we were in the midst of a pack of wolves today, really. [45:13.680 --> 45:19.240] Well, I should point out, you can actually, they've taped, I guess, videoed it. [45:19.240 --> 45:27.000] You can go to some website, I'm looking at it, and I guess you could go to the Benton [45:27.000 --> 45:35.200] Foundation website, there's a link, and you can actually watch the whole thing on video. [45:35.200 --> 45:40.080] You didn't miss anything, because it wasn't a public hearing, in spite of the fact it [45:40.080 --> 45:45.280] was billed as a field hearing, the broadband field hearing, there wasn't any hearing. [45:45.280 --> 45:52.560] So it was basically these panelists droning on, and the Federal Communications Commissioner, [45:52.560 --> 45:55.560] Meredith A. Baker, really didn't say much. [45:55.560 --> 46:00.400] She just sort of said, it's great to be here in Austin, and thank you for your hospitality. [46:00.400 --> 46:07.880] So it was basically what you heard, which was these people, some of them were in industry, [46:07.880 --> 46:14.000] some of them were in private organizations that receive funding to somehow provide internet [46:14.000 --> 46:22.800] service to the so-called underserved, not just the rural areas, but also various groups. [46:22.800 --> 46:27.400] And the only thing that we haven't talked about, and I don't know if you heard this [46:27.400 --> 46:32.880] and whether you thought this was good or bad, it made my ears kind of stand up, was there [46:32.880 --> 46:40.880] was a man from Dell, he's with their technology policy director. [46:40.880 --> 46:50.800] His name is Nir Raj Srivastava, he's obviously from India, and he talked about, he actually [46:50.800 --> 47:00.640] said that there was some benefit of unlicensed spectrum, and he talked about how the reason [47:00.640 --> 47:09.640] that we have Wi-Fi in our homes is because the FCC set aside some part of the spectrum [47:09.640 --> 47:18.640] to 2.4 gigahertz in 1985, and he actually argued for more unlicensed transmissions. [47:18.640 --> 47:25.760] He called them the white spaces that you didn't have to have a license to transmit in, and [47:25.760 --> 47:32.160] he said that that actually would make certain things possible, so that was a little bit [47:32.160 --> 47:37.560] out of the ordinary, I thought, that somebody was actually arguing that. [47:37.560 --> 47:44.040] But most of the people there, it sort of disappoints me because here we have this government takeover [47:44.040 --> 47:50.140] of the internet, and it's not just broadband, it's the internet, and it seems like it's [47:50.140 --> 47:55.600] all public-private partnerships, and a lot of these businesses should realize that they [47:55.600 --> 47:59.560] should not be cooperating with this, they should be opposing this because it is going [47:59.560 --> 48:03.320] to drive them out of business, but they all seem to be clamoring to figure out how they [48:03.320 --> 48:04.960] can get in on the deal. [48:04.960 --> 48:07.120] That's exactly what was going on today. [48:07.120 --> 48:11.240] I mean, I was surprised to see so many people there. [48:11.240 --> 48:18.280] There was probably at least maybe 100 people in the room, and see, they really, really [48:18.280 --> 48:21.600] didn't want people like us there, even knowing about it. [48:21.600 --> 48:28.440] I mean, they announced the public hearing on Wednesday, but you damn well know they've [48:28.440 --> 48:34.240] had this meeting set up and planned for months, they had their slideshows, they had to schedule [48:34.240 --> 48:38.000] all these guest speakers and everything. [48:38.000 --> 48:43.800] They could not have gotten all these panelists there representing all these major corporations [48:43.800 --> 48:50.840] and other organizations, like you're saying, Gary, in a matter of four or five days, okay? [48:50.840 --> 48:57.200] So they had it planned, and somehow the people on the inside, like the people who were there, [48:57.200 --> 49:03.600] I suspect either, like you say, they're not lobbyists, they were people in the industry, [49:03.600 --> 49:09.040] and they were trying to figure out, they were there, very interested in how they are going [49:09.040 --> 49:11.720] to cash in on this too. [49:11.720 --> 49:16.680] And there was maybe a dozen or so or less of us. [49:16.680 --> 49:17.680] Yes, there were. [49:17.680 --> 49:20.640] There were some familiar faces there. [49:20.640 --> 49:21.640] Yeah. [49:21.640 --> 49:29.000] Due to the PSA, I mean, and just a quick apology to our listeners here who may have been waiting [49:29.000 --> 49:35.600] for me to contact them and deal with the seminar and getting out jurisdictionaries and stuff. [49:35.600 --> 49:43.800] I was planning on taking care of all that today and yesterday, but then the hand grenade [49:43.800 --> 49:49.400] went off about the internet yesterday afternoon, and so basically I've done nothing since yesterday [49:49.400 --> 49:57.960] afternoon except for make PSAs, send emails, make phone calls, write written testimonies, [49:57.960 --> 50:04.040] do research, and then have to get up early and dress up in a suit and go sit with all [50:04.040 --> 50:12.760] the three-piece, three-shoes, ties, guys, wise guys, lobbyists all morning long and [50:12.760 --> 50:14.200] just be reeling from that. [50:14.200 --> 50:17.920] So I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to deal with the seminar over the last couple of days. [50:17.920 --> 50:21.080] But I mean, this is just madness. [50:21.080 --> 50:26.400] I want to point out, Debra, that I recognize some of the people in the room who are city [50:26.400 --> 50:29.160] officials, the city of Austin, government officials. [50:29.160 --> 50:34.240] So it was, they expect to get some grant money as well. [50:34.240 --> 50:39.800] So it's the local government and all that, there were plenty of people who were expecting [50:39.800 --> 50:40.800] to get this money. [50:40.800 --> 50:44.560] Yeah, and in fact, I'll be right back, I'm going to go get my laptop back. [50:44.560 --> 50:48.000] I'm going to read the list of panelists that was there today. [50:48.000 --> 50:51.160] So just hold on one second, I'll be right back. [50:51.160 --> 50:58.480] Please continue and just let everybody know just what this stupid crowd that they're planning [50:58.480 --> 51:00.760] and Randy, you know, what your take on it is. [51:00.760 --> 51:01.760] I'll be right back, guys. [51:01.760 --> 51:02.760] Hold on. [51:02.760 --> 51:03.760] All right. [51:03.760 --> 51:06.800] Well, I don't know what I'm supposed to be saying here, but Randy, do you have any take [51:06.800 --> 51:07.800] on this? [51:07.800 --> 51:12.800] Because as I said earlier, I just find it surprising that a lot of people are buying [51:12.800 --> 51:19.120] in on this when certain people should actually be vigorously opposing this and saying, don't [51:19.120 --> 51:24.760] mess with us, because this money is going to come with strings attached, it's going [51:24.760 --> 51:26.560] to come with control. [51:26.560 --> 51:29.920] And a lot of these people who were there, if they really thought about it, should be [51:29.920 --> 51:34.200] opposing this, but they were just blithely going along with it. [51:34.200 --> 51:35.200] Yes. [51:35.200 --> 51:42.400] And when I was there, one of the people I talked to turned out to be from Homeland Security. [51:42.400 --> 51:49.720] And he, like the rest of them, was clearly there to see how Homeland Security could get [51:49.720 --> 51:52.400] a piece of this pie. [51:52.400 --> 51:56.120] That appeared from most everyone I saw there. [51:56.120 --> 52:02.120] It appeared that they were all there looking for a piece of the pie and nobody there really [52:02.120 --> 52:03.120] cared. [52:03.120 --> 52:11.320] As I watched the panelists, it was clear that these were handpicked individuals there to [52:11.320 --> 52:17.920] promote this policy, companies who would all benefit from it. [52:17.920 --> 52:19.640] Yeah, I had the same experience. [52:19.640 --> 52:24.000] I was not with a government guy, but when I was coming up on the elevator, there was [52:24.000 --> 52:28.400] somebody and he handed me his business card and he was with his company, he was figuring [52:28.400 --> 52:30.400] out how they were going to get part of the money. [52:30.400 --> 52:34.640] He handed you his business card, so see, everybody was using this as some kind of a schmooze [52:34.640 --> 52:39.920] opportunity to try to figure out how they're going to get in on the action here. [52:39.920 --> 52:42.480] And here, I got the list. [52:42.480 --> 52:45.520] This is one of the handouts today, the broadband field hearing. [52:45.520 --> 52:47.840] Yeah, see, they really don't call it a public hearing. [52:47.840 --> 52:50.240] They call it a field hearing, okay? [52:50.240 --> 52:51.240] What's a hearing? [52:51.240 --> 52:52.240] But they didn't hear anybody. [52:52.240 --> 52:53.240] I know! [52:53.240 --> 53:01.040] No, he's just like, we're the one who's going to be doing the hearing. [53:01.040 --> 53:02.040] We don't get to talk. [53:02.040 --> 53:04.320] That was very enraging. [53:04.320 --> 53:11.780] And just before I read this quickly, one of the panelists from the University of Texas [53:11.780 --> 53:19.120] was talking about some of the challenges of this kind of technology in providing high-speed [53:19.120 --> 53:24.060] internet access over the airwaves wirelessly. [53:24.060 --> 53:32.240] This is why I tell all the hosts on the network they can't use Wi-Fi to connect to their [53:32.240 --> 53:40.640] router to connect to the infrastructure here at the network, because Wi-Fi is too flaky. [53:40.640 --> 53:43.000] Hook up an ethernet cable, people. [53:43.000 --> 53:48.320] We need to have stable high-speed connection here to connect the host to the network. [53:48.320 --> 53:51.440] And so they're running into some of these same problems. [53:51.440 --> 53:57.120] And this guy was saying that, well, talking about setting up these big wireless access [53:57.120 --> 54:00.620] points that would have a 10-mile radius. [54:00.620 --> 54:07.040] If you're very close to the tower, you get really good service, high speed and it's dependable [54:07.040 --> 54:08.280] and stable. [54:08.280 --> 54:16.360] But it's almost like a logarithmic graph as far as you start getting away from that tower [54:16.360 --> 54:20.880] and it starts dropping off real fast, the dependability and the speed. [54:20.880 --> 54:26.460] And so this guy was saying that the only way that they're going to be able to realistically [54:26.460 --> 54:35.480] deliver high-speed wireless access at that distance of a 10-mile radius is that their [54:35.480 --> 54:42.840] tower, their transmission is going to have to be very high power. [54:42.840 --> 54:46.080] And that's going to upset a lot of people. [54:46.080 --> 54:52.560] Even despite the Patriot community, I was telling Randy today there's what I would call [54:52.560 --> 55:03.080] a militant environmentalist group up in Seattle that took down an AM tower, like a giant AM [55:03.080 --> 55:09.440] tower, like many hundreds of feet tall, because they were upset about they think that these [55:09.440 --> 55:19.560] high-powered AM towers cause health damage, cancer and problems with the animals and humans [55:19.560 --> 55:21.000] and stuff like this. [55:21.000 --> 55:25.200] And it was interfering with the telephone connections and stuff and they were putting [55:25.200 --> 55:31.000] up, this company was putting up another AM transmitter, a very high-power AM transmitter [55:31.000 --> 55:35.520] and so there was construction equipment on the property. [55:35.520 --> 55:42.520] And so this militant environmentalist health group gets out there and fires up one of the [55:42.520 --> 55:48.120] backhoes and slams it into the base of one of these towers. [55:48.120 --> 55:50.520] They could have killed themselves. [55:50.520 --> 55:52.680] That's what they did to take the tower down. [55:52.680 --> 55:58.360] Come on people, if you want to take a tower down, all you've got to do is snip the guidelines [55:58.360 --> 56:00.040] on one side. [56:00.040 --> 56:02.240] That's how the professionals take it down. [56:02.240 --> 56:04.080] These people are so mad. [56:04.080 --> 56:07.120] They just got in the backhoe and just slammed right in the tower. [56:07.120 --> 56:15.400] And so there's a lot of people out there who are very strongly opposed to these high-power [56:15.400 --> 56:19.080] radio transmitters. [56:19.080 --> 56:26.120] If not from the Patriot community, there's going to be a huge pushback from these environmentalists [56:26.120 --> 56:33.120] and people who are concerned about health issues related to high-wattage radio transmitters. [56:33.120 --> 56:39.760] But at any rate, let me just read some of the people that were there today on this panel. [56:39.760 --> 56:41.800] There were two panels. [56:41.800 --> 56:49.400] The first panel was concerned with deployment issues and considerations. [56:49.400 --> 56:59.520] And the second panel was wireless broadband, the promise, expectations, and implications [56:59.520 --> 57:01.680] for the future. [57:01.680 --> 57:11.120] So the first panel, you have Richard McKinnon, CEO of Austin Wireless, Inc. [57:11.120 --> 57:16.920] He is the president of the Austin Wireless City Project, a Texas nonprofit organization [57:16.920 --> 57:21.680] with the dual roles of public education and community network operation. [57:21.680 --> 57:26.880] Its mission is to improve quality and availability of public free Wi-Fi in Austin. [57:26.880 --> 57:29.720] Okay, so that was one panelist. [57:29.720 --> 57:38.160] Then we had Ed Evans, CEO of Stellara Broadband, has been a leader in the wireless industry [57:38.160 --> 57:39.640] for 20 years. [57:39.640 --> 57:45.960] He's the founder, chairman, and CEO of Stellara Wireless, committed to providing broadband [57:45.960 --> 57:50.880] access to rural and underserved towns across the country. [57:50.880 --> 57:54.920] Okay, I'm going to go, there's only about five or six panelists per panel. [57:54.920 --> 58:00.360] So I want to, I'm going to tell everybody who just, who all the bad guys are. [58:00.360 --> 58:01.360] Okay. [58:01.360 --> 58:02.360] I'm going to name names here. [58:02.360 --> 58:03.360] All right. [58:03.360 --> 58:08.840] When we get back on the other side, it's the top of the hour mid-show break. [58:08.840 --> 58:13.320] And Gary Johnson, if you could hang with us, if you have time, I'd love to keep you on, [58:13.320 --> 58:15.960] if you can stay with us. [58:15.960 --> 58:17.960] Okay, great. [58:17.960 --> 58:19.800] We'll open the phone lines in a few minutes here. [58:19.800 --> 58:25.600] I want to go over these panelists and just get more comments from Gary and Eddie and [58:25.600 --> 58:26.600] Randy. [58:26.600 --> 58:27.600] So listeners, just sit tight. [58:27.600 --> 58:28.600] We'll be right back. [58:28.600 --> 58:36.200] This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, and our very special [58:36.200 --> 58:44.240] guest host on this network, Gary Johnson from Live and Smash the State. [58:44.240 --> 59:06.960] We'll be right back. [59:06.960 --> 59:34.760] We'll be right back. [59:34.760 --> 01:00:04.520] This news brief brought to you by the International News Net. [01:00:04.520 --> 01:00:10.560] Kibnu Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to former President Carter, says Barack Obama [01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:16.080] should tell Israel if they attempt to attack Iran's nuclear weapons sites, the U.S. Air [01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:18.640] Force will stop them. [01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:26.120] The International Monetary Fund is selling 403 tons of gold worth an estimated $13 billion [01:00:26.120 --> 01:00:30.160] to boost its lending capacity to poor countries. [01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:35.120] Former Stanley McChrystal, top commander in Afghanistan, has warned he needs more forces [01:00:35.120 --> 01:00:39.960] within the next year, and without them, the war will likely result in failure. [01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:46.280] McChrystal calls the Taliban a muscular and sophisticated enemy that uses modern propaganda [01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:52.840] and systematically reaches into Afghanistan's prisons to recruit members. [01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:58.400] Pakistan's former chief of army staff, General Mirza Aslam Beg, says the security company [01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:04.580] Blackwater, now known as ZI, was directly involved in the assassinations of former Pakistani [01:01:04.580 --> 01:01:10.760] Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. [01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:17.000] General Beg told the Saudi Arabian daily Al-Watan, former Pakistani President Pervis Musharraf, [01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:23.760] gave Blackwater the green light to carry out terrorist operations in four Pakistani cities. [01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.280] General Beg said U.S. officials kept Blackwater's presence in Pakistan secret because they were [01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.480] afraid of possible attacks on the U.S. embassy. [01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:38.080] Beg said Sunday the U.S. killed Benazir Bhutto in an international conspiracy because she [01:01:38.080 --> 01:01:43.600] backed out of the deal through which she returned to the country after nine years in exile. [01:01:43.600 --> 01:01:50.640] On September 2, the U.S. Ambassador to Islamabad, Anne Patterson, forced the News International, [01:01:50.640 --> 01:01:55.680] one of the largest newspaper groups in Pakistan, to block a column that broke the story of [01:01:55.680 --> 01:02:00.800] Blackwater's presence in Pakistan. [01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:06.240] Tehran's ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN nuclear watchdog, says [01:02:06.240 --> 01:02:12.560] Iran is prepared to pay for a probe into Israel's largely clandestine nuclear industry. [01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:19.040] Ali Asghar Sultaniye said Friday Israel's nuclear capabilities are a potential threat [01:02:19.040 --> 01:02:21.000] to global security. [01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:27.920] Sultaniye also expressed grave concern over Tel Aviv's refusal to join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation [01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:35.040] Treaty, NPT, thus denying IAEA inspectors access to its atomic installations. [01:02:35.040 --> 01:02:40.480] Israel, the world's sixth largest nuclear weapons power, has not heeded international [01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.240] calls to join the nuclear treaty. [01:02:43.240 --> 01:02:49.800] Sultaniye's remarks came the same day the IAEA passed a resolution urging Israel to [01:02:49.800 --> 01:03:19.280] open its nuclear facilities to inspection and sign the NPT. [01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:26.280] Get him out of here, hold me up, get hold me up man, we're going to do it here, tell [01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:32.280] you that I'm home, you're disturbing me man, what can I do miss, you're getting me mad, [01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:39.280] six hour thing, half a dozen, are you all right, say it to me, get my man, ready, come [01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.280] get this people. [01:03:42.280 --> 01:04:02.840] Okay, we are back, the rule of law. [01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:10.560] All right, we're talking about this FCC hearing, if you even want to call it that, they certainly [01:04:10.560 --> 01:04:12.880] were not taking public input, that's for sure. [01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:19.560] Okay, so I am going over who the panelists are, I'm naming names here, okay, because [01:04:19.560 --> 01:04:24.480] this was definitely not on the site, on the website, of course we had the Meredith Baker [01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:33.640] FCC commissioner who basically was just sitting there grinning and not saying much and basically [01:04:33.640 --> 01:04:37.120] not letting anyone else say anything either from the community. [01:04:37.120 --> 01:04:43.560] Okay, so we got Richard McKinnon, CEO of Austin Wireless, the non-profit organization here [01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:49.400] that is committed to improving quality and availability of public free Wi-Fi in Austin. [01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:50.400] Deborah? [01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:51.400] Yes? [01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:59.200] I want to point out as you go through this, notice the buzzwords here, free Wi-Fi, underserved, [01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:03.760] these all have meaning, I mean, there is no such thing as free Wi-Fi, but these people [01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:10.000] want money for these agendas, so these descriptions actually are very descriptive. [01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:16.160] Exactly, and notice it doesn't just say free Wi-Fi, public free Wi-Fi, now whenever you [01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:26.360] see public that means government, okay, the government's going to be providing this, okay. [01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:32.200] So all right, here we go, Richard is also CEO of Less Networks, a company which provides [01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:37.520] commercial grade free, and it capitalized free, so maybe that has some special meaning, [01:05:37.520 --> 01:05:43.200] free Wi-Fi solutions to municipalities and private sector retail location. [01:05:43.200 --> 01:05:49.400] It's the only free Wi-Fi solution built around a customer relationship management system [01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:55.660] that helps venues use Wi-Fi to attract new customers, build repeat business and increase [01:05:55.660 --> 01:05:58.040] customer loyalty, blah, blah, blah. [01:05:58.040 --> 01:06:03.120] All right, remember what Hitler did right before he took over Germany? [01:06:03.120 --> 01:06:08.000] No, I forget what he did. [01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:18.240] Well, Eddie, Eddie, all right, speaking of internet troubles, we may have lost Eddie. [01:06:18.240 --> 01:06:19.240] Okay. [01:06:19.240 --> 01:06:21.920] Nuts easier on the line here. [01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:26.880] I know, oh, we lost Eddie, okay, I'm going to try to get him back, I'm going to try to [01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:33.720] get him back, oh goodness, he's probably on Wi-Fi, he's probably using one of these free [01:06:33.720 --> 01:06:37.320] public Wi-Fis, no he's not, I'm just kidding. [01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:43.920] Well, the thing in listening to that, that particular company didn't provide free Wi-Fi, [01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:53.060] they provided solutions to companies, giving them reasons to provide free Wi-Fi and methods, [01:06:53.060 --> 01:07:06.160] so that they like, Starbucks, I won't go to Starbucks because, who cares, I'll call them [01:07:06.160 --> 01:07:13.160] what I want to because I signed up in Pennsylvania because I really needed to get on the internet [01:07:13.160 --> 01:07:22.280] for six bucks and I was annoyed with that, a month later, I got a bill for 120 bucks, [01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:29.800] I was not happy, a bill for 120 dollars, and I avoid that company, okay, all right, listen, [01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:33.960] all right, yeah, they scammed you, okay, so let me finish reading about this Richard Gott. [01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:38.440] Yeah, I should point out that the first one you were talking about, the Austin wireless, [01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:47.840] that is public free, the last one you mentioned is probably private, less networks, yeah, [01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:56.080] okay, he's also the CEO for this other company, so he's the president of this non-profit organization [01:07:56.080 --> 01:08:02.140] to provide public free Wi-Fi, and then he's also the CEO of Less Networks, a company providing [01:08:02.140 --> 01:08:07.280] commercial grade free Wi-Fi, all right, and then it says his community service includes [01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:13.360] serving as president of EFF, Electronic Frontier Foundation, board service for the ACLU, and [01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:18.360] the Central Texas Civil Liberty Union, oh, he's one of those leftists, okay, all right, [01:08:18.360 --> 01:08:27.680] so here we go, the next, Ed Evans, CEO of Stellara Broadband, all right, they're saying [01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:32.960] Edward Evans has been a leader in the wireless industry for 20 years, he's the founder, chairman [01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:40.400] and CEO of Stellara Wireless, committed to providing broadband access to rural and underserved [01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:47.760] towns, there's that other catch word there, okay, we've got to keep the tabs on there, [01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:57.720] like they use the smart grid and underserved, and okay, so here we go, next is Tony Prather, [01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:04.960] vice president, First American Communications Enterprise, First American Communications [01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:13.160] Enterprise, Inc., FACE, and president of all FACE subsidiaries, what do they do, he's also [01:09:13.160 --> 01:09:21.240] involved with Comanche County Telephone Company, it's not really saying what they're doing, [01:09:21.240 --> 01:09:23.600] what this company is about, apparently it's Telephone. [01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.480] He may be the guy who ran the company in the rural area. [01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:33.520] Yeah, National Tele, okay, yeah, this has to do with Telephone, he's the chairman, he's [01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:39.880] the past chairman of the board of directors of the Texas Telephone Association, and has [01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:45.640] been a director of that organization for over 20 years, all right, so he's involved in the [01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:51.480] telephone industry, served on the board of directors of the Texas Statewide Telephone [01:09:51.480 --> 01:09:58.680] Cooperative, and the National Telecommunications Cooperative, all right, so they got the telephone [01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:10.960] people involved here, next is Mark Statue, S-T-A-C-H-I-W, executive vice president, general [01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:19.080] counsel, and secretary of Metro PCS, Mark Statue join, okay, let me see, he was formerly [01:10:19.080 --> 01:10:25.400] the senior vice president, general counsel, allegiance telecom company worldwide, so this [01:10:25.400 --> 01:10:36.160] is another telecom company, Metro PCS, all right, counsel at Paul Hastings, AirTouch [01:10:36.160 --> 01:10:42.880] Paging, he was the chief legal officer for Verizon Wireless Messaging Services, okay, [01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:50.280] so they're bringing all the telecommunications in, Taran Gupta, vice president, Fiber Tower, [01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:54.560] he is the vice president of strategic development for Fiber Tower, responsible for identifying [01:10:54.560 --> 01:11:01.660] new initiatives and growth opportunities that leverage Fiber Tower's capabilities network [01:11:01.660 --> 01:11:09.480] and national spectrum footprint, okay, spectrum, that was another like key word today, talking [01:11:09.480 --> 01:11:14.680] about spectrum, and I guess they were talking about, of the radio waves, where they're going [01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:21.880] to be broadcasting, what part of the radio waves, where you get your license from, yes, [01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:28.440] about frequencies, okay, and so he's been involved in implementation of new wireless [01:11:28.440 --> 01:11:36.760] telecommunications technologies, most recently at TeleGENT, where he was director of engineering, [01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:44.320] he worked for Pacific Mobile, okay, so now we've got Gene Crick, executive director, [01:11:44.320 --> 01:11:49.840] telecommunity resource center, he's the executive director of the Metropolitan Austin Interactive [01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:56.360] Network, the country's oldest community telecommunications network, head of the National Telecommunity [01:11:56.360 --> 01:12:02.960] Resource Center, primary author of the new Texas Health Information Network collaborative [01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:14.280] project, okay, statewide telehealth network funded by the FCC for $14 million, and director [01:12:14.280 --> 01:12:20.400] of government relations and federal programs, okay, so again, they tried to sell us that [01:12:20.400 --> 01:12:26.800] this is going to be good for medicine, this is briefly mentioned in there, yes, yes, they [01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:32.760] were bringing the medical industry into it somehow, like we'd be able to, you know, access [01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:39.560] medical records or, you know, yeah, they were saying like, something about how in hospitals, [01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:44.160] where, you know, I guess diagnostic equipment, it's all hooked up with wires, and that it's [01:12:44.160 --> 01:12:51.640] all going to be wireless now, it's getting scary, okay, here we go, Mr. Crick has expertise [01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:58.880] in current broadband stimulus funding based on, okay, current broadband stimulus funding [01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:05.960] based on many years work with departments of commerce, NTIA, agriculture, RUS, as well [01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:13.720] as the FCC and the USAC, okay, so here we go, this is more enmeshments between private [01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:21.920] industry and federal government, the private-public partnership business, all right, the FCC funded [01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:33.880] $14 million to the statewide telehealth network, you know, I'm just livid about this, the federal [01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:40.640] government, government in general has no business providing any service or funding a service, [01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:44.600] you know, and people are like, well, you know, but it could be a good thing, no, it's never [01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:49.520] going to be a good thing, anytime government gets involved with either providing or regulating [01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:57.200] services, it leads to nothing but tyranny and government-protected monopolies, okay, [01:13:57.200 --> 01:14:04.400] so here we go, Mr. Crick is founding Texas' first free public internet access facilities, [01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:13.240] here we go, another with the free public internet, free public internet access for 25 Texas cities [01:14:13.240 --> 01:14:20.320] and the Texas Internet Service Providers Association, he's a member of the Texas State Strategic [01:14:20.320 --> 01:14:27.520] IT Planning Group, Community Technology Centers Network, Advisory Council, White House Advisory [01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:36.600] Group, NSF, Internet Governance Transfer, Advisory Council of the Austin Wireless Association [01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:42.400] in the Texas Wireless Summit, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility, [01:14:42.400 --> 01:14:50.520] Notice they have their own lobbying organization, the Texas Internet Service Providers Association, [01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:54.540] so and that's another thing, Debra, that, you know, some of those people were actually [01:14:54.540 --> 01:14:58.880] with various companies and so forth, but a lot of them were, they were representing the [01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:03.880] associations and the lobbying groups, absolutely, and it's not just the private companies that [01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:08.280] have lobbying groups, the governments have lobbying groups, there's a National Association [01:15:08.280 --> 01:15:15.800] of Telecommunication Administrators and they have their own lobbyists and we pay for the [01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:20.880] government lobbyists through our taxes, through the fees that the cities and the states pay [01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:27.320] to join these lobbying organizations, so there's not just the direct lobbying, there's also [01:15:27.320 --> 01:15:31.080] the lobbying by the associations formed for the purpose of lobbying. [01:15:31.080 --> 01:15:36.000] This is ridiculous, man, the government lobbies itself and we pay for it. [01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:44.400] Even one of the speakers, he mentioned that Verizon was getting out of the land-based [01:15:44.400 --> 01:15:53.320] telephone company service and that another major company had to lay off 118 legislators. [01:15:53.320 --> 01:15:59.800] Okay, listen to this, yeah, I know, haha, they thought they were real cute today, that's [01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:05.680] for sure, they really thought they were cute, okay, listen to this, he was involved with [01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:12.000] the Summit Advisory Council for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, gag me, okay, the [01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:18.480] Benton Foundation Telecommunications Policy Development Panel and Rural Policy Research [01:16:18.480 --> 01:16:25.400] Institute Telecommunications Panel, he's the advisor of the public and community technology [01:16:25.400 --> 01:16:31.840] for the federal government of Australia, okay, telecom, they have their own broadband plan [01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:35.640] they're working on there too. Yeah, Community Technology Development and [01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:41.200] National Library of New Zealand, he's the architect of Texas Infrastructure Fund Community [01:16:41.200 --> 01:16:48.960] Network Grants Program, designed 61 Texas community networks funded by the TIF, chair [01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:55.200] for the FCC CAC Working Group on Rural and Underserved Populations, Director of Development [01:16:55.200 --> 01:16:59.280] for Software Quality Institute at UT Supercomputer Center. [01:16:59.280 --> 01:17:07.280] Okay, so Gary, would you please fill us in a little bit on this Benton Foundation, because [01:17:07.280 --> 01:17:15.320] the FCC did not post a notice on their website about this hearing today, they sent a press [01:17:15.320 --> 01:17:19.680] release to the Benton Foundation, that was the only place I could find it on the internet, [01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:25.400] who the heck is this Benton Foundation? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, I was not as prepared [01:17:25.400 --> 01:17:30.360] to answer that I should, the Benton Foundation is, I'd heard of them because I had heard [01:17:30.360 --> 01:17:36.380] a little bit about this broadband plan because I went to a cable commission meeting at City [01:17:36.380 --> 01:17:41.680] Hall and they talked, I was actually going to talk about public access television, but [01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:46.920] they spent much of the meeting talking about the broadband plan and how the city of Austin [01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:51.760] was going to apply for grants to get money on the broadband plan and they mentioned the [01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:58.200] Benton Foundation in their discussion at the cable commission meeting, so that's really [01:17:58.200 --> 01:18:03.080] how I heard about them, and they talked about it as if everybody knows what it is. [01:18:03.080 --> 01:18:09.920] Yeah, yeah, scary business. Okay, I'm going to move on, I know this may be taking a while [01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:15.320] listeners, but it's really important to understand who these people are involved in these private [01:18:15.320 --> 01:18:19.540] public partnerships and as you're saying, Gary, and also in these lobbyist groups and [01:18:19.540 --> 01:18:25.720] even government lobbying, you know, and what these people, where they have their finger, [01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:30.920] what pies do they have their fingers in, so we can really understand how this all works, [01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:38.360] so we can figure out a way to fight it. Okay, so that was the first panel, that was the [01:18:38.360 --> 01:18:45.200] panel that was addressing deployment issues and considerations, I mean, listen to the [01:18:45.200 --> 01:18:52.920] terminology they use deployment, you know, it's like military terminology, it's not [01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:56.240] like, oh, we're going to be implementing this, or we're going to be building an infrastructure [01:18:56.240 --> 01:19:00.480] and they're going to be deploying something, you know, like it's a military strategy, I [01:19:00.480 --> 01:19:07.920] mean, it's kind of scary, man. Okay, panel two, wireless broadband, the promise, expectations [01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:23.560] and implement and implications for the future. And I'm going to be posting this on my on [01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:28.800] my website, by the way, I'm going to scan in this handout and post it on the website [01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:34.600] so everybody can read about these people. Okay, director technology policy offer of [01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:40.280] CTO and Dell. All right, this was the guy that was talking about how they're going to [01:19:40.280 --> 01:19:47.080] start building computers to be strictly wireless, everything wireless, no more ethernet ports, [01:19:47.080 --> 01:19:51.440] no more hardwired anything. Okay, everything that they're going to do is strictly wireless. [01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:57.140] Okay, as director of technology policy, wide responsibility for addressing key public policy [01:19:57.140 --> 01:20:05.200] that have issues that affect technology development. Okay, key public policy issues that affect [01:20:05.200 --> 01:20:13.960] technology development. All right, see, I have a problem with this, Gary. All right. [01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:22.900] Public policy should not be affecting what how private industry develops technology. [01:20:22.900 --> 01:20:28.440] That means that the government is controlling the development of technology and how it's [01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:33.420] implemented. All right, the public, you know, government shouldn't have anything to do with [01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:39.720] private industry. All right, so I'm going to I'm going to move on. He's also responsible [01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:44.240] for Dell's technology direction investment in areas of security and client virtualization. [01:20:44.240 --> 01:20:52.260] Okay, basically, then they just talk about his just looks like his resume here. But basically, [01:20:52.260 --> 01:20:56.580] he was the guy that was talking about how the direction they're going to take in the [01:20:56.580 --> 01:21:02.160] actual hardware of the computers itself, and how they're going to make it so they're going [01:21:02.160 --> 01:21:07.060] to implement new protocols for networking. So you don't need a router anymore. And it's [01:21:07.060 --> 01:21:11.700] everything's going to be wireless. You know, computers will talk directly to each other [01:21:11.700 --> 01:21:17.720] and then, you know, across the hall and stuff like that. Okay, Jeff Andrews, associate professor, [01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:22.940] Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Texas at Austin. This was the [01:21:22.940 --> 01:21:32.060] guy that was talking about the the towers. Okay, he gives his resume. Let's see. Okay, [01:21:32.060 --> 01:21:36.600] associate professor, Department of Electrical Engineering. Okay, he is the director of wireless [01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:44.020] networking and communications group, UT's Wireless Research Center. He developed code [01:21:44.020 --> 01:21:51.780] division, multiple access CDMA systems is an engineer at Qualcomm q u a l c o m m and [01:21:51.780 --> 01:22:03.980] has consulted for the WiMAX forum, Microsoft Palm Rico, ADC and the N a s a NASA. All right, [01:22:03.980 --> 01:22:13.560] this is the guy that was talking about how he's involved in working on 12 projects that [01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:20.580] are funded by government grants. All right, he's a senior member of the IEEE service and [01:22:20.580 --> 01:22:27.620] editor for IEEE transition to I'm sorry, transport on wireless communications, WiMAX, he received [01:22:27.620 --> 01:22:34.820] the NSF career award. Oh, get this principal investigator of an eight university team of [01:22:34.820 --> 01:22:41.580] three faculty in DARPA's information theory for mobile ad hoc network. So the guy it works [01:22:41.580 --> 01:22:47.180] for DARPA now. All right. I'm not going to get into what DARPA is all about. Y'all can [01:22:47.180 --> 01:22:51.620] look that up. It's that's that's a whole nother shown in of itself. Okay, moving right along [01:22:51.620 --> 01:22:58.580] Don Shaver that I've only got like 123 more four more. Okay, Don Shaver, director communications [01:22:58.580 --> 01:23:03.360] and medical systems labs, Texas Instruments. Here we go with bringing the medical industry [01:23:03.360 --> 01:23:10.980] into this. Don Shaver has been with Texas Instruments for 32 years, both in the TI advanced [01:23:10.980 --> 01:23:18.220] development R&D organizations. Okay, he Okay, let's see. Director of TI's communications [01:23:18.220 --> 01:23:23.980] and medical systems laboratory. This laboratory drives requirements for next generation TI [01:23:23.980 --> 01:23:29.580] semiconductors and embedded processors, develops communications technology used in international [01:23:29.580 --> 01:23:36.180] standards. Much of the labs emphasis in recent years has involved broadband cellular wireless [01:23:36.180 --> 01:23:42.460] including 3g and 4g. Recently, there has been work in the medical body area networks and [01:23:42.460 --> 01:23:47.500] associated standards where TI is uniquely positioned with its ultra low power device [01:23:47.500 --> 01:23:54.420] technology. Yeah, right. They're probably involved with RFID. Oh, here we go. Wireline [01:23:54.420 --> 01:24:02.360] and wireless communications for the smart grid. In the US and worldwide smart meters [01:24:02.360 --> 01:24:07.900] on the power grid and in the home. His laboratory developing technology for the next generation [01:24:07.900 --> 01:24:21.020] smart utility network sun being standardized by IEEE 802.15.4g power line communications [01:24:21.020 --> 01:24:26.780] wireless use of utilities within the home. Okay, so he's the smart grid guy. And he's [01:24:26.780 --> 01:24:30.780] bringing he's bringing the medical industry into this. I remember this guy talking today. [01:24:30.780 --> 01:24:37.700] All right, David Walter. Or did you have a comment Gary about this guy? No, I'm doing [01:24:37.700 --> 01:24:40.700] research. Okay, all right, very good. I thought you were starting to say something. Okay, [01:24:40.700 --> 01:24:47.460] David Walter, executive director radio technology, AT&T architecture and planning, executive [01:24:47.460 --> 01:24:53.960] director of the radio technology group at AT&T labs. All right, so directs a team for [01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:59.540] enhancement of leading edge radio technologies and architecture in support of AT&T's mobile. [01:24:59.540 --> 01:25:06.420] Okay, so this so AT&T is getting in on the deal too. Here we go more private public partnership [01:25:06.420 --> 01:25:13.180] business is a steering committee. Here we go for the Austin Wireless Alliance represents [01:25:13.180 --> 01:25:17.980] AT&T on the industrial affiliate advisory board for the University of Texas wireless [01:25:17.980 --> 01:25:25.820] networking communications group. Man, this is really extreme people. This is what we're [01:25:25.820 --> 01:25:33.180] up against. Okay, got two more here Bart bone Bo HN, executive director of the Austin Wireless [01:25:33.180 --> 01:25:40.660] Alliance, this is a lobbying group, executive director responsible for identifying promising [01:25:40.660 --> 01:25:46.020] early stage companies and providing them with necessary strategic business assistance to [01:25:46.020 --> 01:25:54.020] help them achieve growth objectives. Alright, nonprofit organization promoting growth of [01:25:54.020 --> 01:25:59.740] the wireless industry in central Texas, and the planning board for mobile Monday, Austin. [01:25:59.740 --> 01:26:06.220] Alright, so they want to basically they want to bring this in the with the public private [01:26:06.220 --> 01:26:12.820] partnerships. Okay, last one, Dan cooler, CUELAR, executive director and co founder of the Texas [01:26:12.820 --> 01:26:23.940] media empowerment project, an independent media maker, musicians, union organizer. Okay, [01:26:23.940 --> 01:26:30.180] media action grassroots network. Okay, I really I don't quite understand how this comes into [01:26:30.180 --> 01:26:38.660] play. Oh, I get it. Okay, this is this is has to do with representing minorities, okay, [01:26:38.660 --> 01:26:44.740] races, genders, as sustaining community media environment, supporting women, people of low [01:26:44.740 --> 01:26:53.140] color, low income. Okay, so this is the this is a you know, the excuse right here. Oh, [01:26:53.140 --> 01:27:00.220] we've got to do all this to bring the internet to people who haven't been able to afford [01:27:00.220 --> 01:27:06.300] it up until this point. And, and in all the groups who have been treated badly, and now [01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:12.500] we need to, they're entitled to this service now because of, you know, the way they've [01:27:12.500 --> 01:27:16.540] been treated. Right, Gary, go ahead. I'm gonna say just read the last sentence there. Her [01:27:16.540 --> 01:27:25.740] media justice vision, media justice vision. Are you where I think you are? Well, wait [01:27:25.740 --> 01:27:31.660] a minute, sustaining. Okay, it says, sustain a community media environment that supports [01:27:31.660 --> 01:27:35.900] women, people of color, low income people, and other underserved constituencies to access [01:27:35.900 --> 01:27:42.220] and create music, media and technology. Yeah, I mean, this is all that includes monitoring [01:27:42.220 --> 01:27:50.860] representations of marginalized communities. In, in their documentation, monitoring representations, [01:27:50.860 --> 01:27:57.100] they repeatedly mentioned the Americans with disabilities. Now, at the program there, they [01:27:57.100 --> 01:28:02.420] were never brought up. But this was what they were harking, saying, Oh, we're helping out [01:28:02.420 --> 01:28:11.740] the poor unfortunate. Yeah, exactly. And, and you know, the whole thing about retribution, [01:28:11.740 --> 01:28:18.540] and, and, oh, because these groups, they've had, they've been so treated badly and abused [01:28:18.540 --> 01:28:24.780] and discriminated against. And so, and so now they're entitled. Well, this money is [01:28:24.780 --> 01:28:30.380] not going to go to the groups. This money is going to go to Miss Quail are in their [01:28:30.380 --> 01:28:35.540] empowerment project. Right. Right. Exactly. I'm not going to gain. No, the groups are [01:28:35.540 --> 01:28:39.900] not going to get anything. Well, they're gonna, they're gonna get the free, the so-called [01:28:39.900 --> 01:28:45.460] free access to the internet. I mean, it's like, they're, they're like, this whole thing, [01:28:45.460 --> 01:28:50.060] the access to one group and not to everybody. I know exactly. How is that fair? I mean, [01:28:50.060 --> 01:28:56.300] the whole thing, this, this whole thing is shrouded and couched in, they're doing this [01:28:56.300 --> 01:29:00.980] to help people in rural areas who've never been able to get online. And, and what about [01:29:00.980 --> 01:29:06.020] all these people who, who are poor and discriminated against. And we owe it to them. They have [01:29:06.020 --> 01:29:12.940] a right. And it's all BS, man. This is all about big, big business and the government [01:29:12.940 --> 01:29:19.340] owning and controlling and regulating the content of the internet and, and all these, [01:29:19.340 --> 01:29:22.660] you know, thugsters making a whole bunch of money off of it. That's what this whole thing [01:29:22.660 --> 01:29:28.580] is about. So that's, that's the panelists. That's what happened today. All right. Comments [01:29:28.580 --> 01:29:37.580] guys, Gary. I did a little research on the, the Benton foundation. It's kind of interesting. [01:29:37.580 --> 01:29:42.380] I know it's not exactly what you were talking about, but the Benton foundation is a, one [01:29:42.380 --> 01:29:50.260] of those foundations, you know, is tax exempt and they're, they are big on the digital divide [01:29:50.260 --> 01:29:58.260] and they've got a lot of money. And so that's, you know, they have money, tax free money [01:29:58.260 --> 01:30:03.380] to give away. And so that's why everybody's interested in them. It's named after William [01:30:03.380 --> 01:30:11.900] Benton. He was a Senator from Connecticut. He defeated Prescott Bush, father of president [01:30:11.900 --> 01:30:22.100] George Herbert Walker Bush to get elected. He then was active in the United nations and [01:30:22.100 --> 01:30:27.300] was the ambassador to UNESCO. And he was the chairman of the board and publisher of the [01:30:27.300 --> 01:30:35.780] encyclopedia Britannica. So very interesting character. So that's what the benton foundation [01:30:35.780 --> 01:30:41.380] is that they're a big player and they have a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you know, [01:30:41.380 --> 01:30:50.380] just to, since we do try to talk about remedies and solutions here, what can we do about this? [01:30:50.380 --> 01:30:57.220] You know, like I said, I saw that article about the autonomous auto net auto net and [01:30:57.220 --> 01:31:04.580] autonomous internet basically to try to help people learn how to set up their own access [01:31:04.580 --> 01:31:12.300] note into directly into the internet to bypass the ISPs and stuff. That was one website that [01:31:12.300 --> 01:31:21.900] I saw today. And there's another one that a listener just sent called open mesh. And [01:31:21.900 --> 01:31:27.460] I'll post that link, who is open mesh and in this, and I kind of like this even more [01:31:27.460 --> 01:31:36.960] than the auto net. The auto net is like setting up dark networks, which can be somewhat dangerous [01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:45.860] and prone to, you know, infiltration by, you know, COINTELPRO and such. And, you know, [01:31:45.860 --> 01:31:49.940] they have a, it's like, usually it's for people to do nefarious things and they can, it's [01:31:49.940 --> 01:31:53.740] kind of hard to deal with. But go ahead, Gary, were you gonna say something? Well, before [01:31:53.740 --> 01:31:59.840] we get into that, I'm not sure that it's necessary to do anything, because I think that technology [01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:06.540] is already moving forward. If you go to a website is the technology liberation front, [01:32:06.540 --> 01:32:14.300] which is techliberation.com. Adam Thayer has a posting from, this is actually January 24th, [01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:21.300] 2009, in which he quotes a blogger for the New York Times, whose name is right in front [01:32:21.300 --> 01:32:28.580] of me, but I can't, Sam Hansel. And he talks about how actually there are new technologies, [01:32:28.580 --> 01:32:36.260] one is called DOCSIS3, that is already exists and is already being implemented, that will [01:32:36.260 --> 01:32:43.940] make it possible for your internet service right now to be much faster, much better, [01:32:43.940 --> 01:32:51.060] and cheaper. And so as this new technology is implemented, all this talk about having [01:32:51.060 --> 01:32:56.220] to go to wireless and so forth, he's arguing, it's really kind of pointless. The argument [01:32:56.220 --> 01:33:00.860] is column is entitled, does broadband need a stimulus? He says it doesn't, because if [01:33:00.860 --> 01:33:07.580] you just let the technology advance, you don't need a stimulus for broadband, it's already [01:33:07.580 --> 01:33:12.720] going to improve anyway. If you just wait for the technology to develop, you don't need [01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:17.720] some kind of government assistance to begin with. So I'm not sure that we have to reinvent [01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:22.740] the wheel or come up with an alternative to begin with. If we just wait a little while, [01:33:22.740 --> 01:33:25.860] maybe the new technology will take care of itself. [01:33:25.860 --> 01:33:32.740] Well, yeah, and there's already people on it, like you said. And the thing is, it's [01:33:32.740 --> 01:33:38.220] good that we found out about this, so that we can implement all this ourselves before [01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:43.900] the government gets some big monopoly on it and tricks the whole nation into using them [01:33:43.900 --> 01:33:50.220] as the ISP. But I really like this open mesh group. They're a group of volunteers dedicated [01:33:50.220 --> 01:33:55.660] to community owned Wi Fi not owned or controlled by any one corporate entity. Their primary [01:33:55.660 --> 01:34:00.020] mission is to develop Wi Fi deployment models that are flexible and affordable to work in [01:34:00.020 --> 01:34:07.660] low income and developing areas. Okay, so it sounds like a similar goal on the surface [01:34:07.660 --> 01:34:13.260] except they want the communities to own it, not the government and the lobbying groups [01:34:13.260 --> 01:34:18.140] and these corporations. And so everything that they're doing is open source, the firmware [01:34:18.140 --> 01:34:27.860] is open source, platform is open to all manufacturers, owning your own network. And so basically [01:34:27.860 --> 01:34:33.900] they're using the best that the open source and closed source community has to offer. [01:34:33.900 --> 01:34:41.220] And so this is a really good thing right here. It's like, you know, we just tap in the internet [01:34:41.220 --> 01:34:46.820] ourselves like you're saying, Gary, you know, set up our own Wi Fi communities, access points [01:34:46.820 --> 01:34:51.380] and stuff. And, you know, just get around these guys, you know, before the World Wide [01:34:51.380 --> 01:34:55.380] Web, there was Fido net and all that you can go back a little while and people had their [01:34:55.380 --> 01:35:01.820] own network connections that were I don't know if I'd say they were off the grid, but [01:35:01.820 --> 01:35:07.540] they weren't the official system. And you, you know, you can connect computers together. [01:35:07.540 --> 01:35:15.380] Sure. Sure. It's just a matter of you want it fast. But at any rate, so those are some [01:35:15.380 --> 01:35:20.620] solutions there. Gary, maybe you can send me that link and I'll post that on the website. [01:35:20.620 --> 01:35:26.780] So you know, we've got the technology liberation front. Yes, the technology liberation front [01:35:26.780 --> 01:35:31.540] and we've got open mesh and we've got auto net. So I mean, the open source community [01:35:31.540 --> 01:35:39.420] is already on it big time. I mean, you know, the thing is, America is the land of the hackers. [01:35:39.420 --> 01:35:47.540] Okay, there are so many geeks out there that are into freedom that it's like I just don't [01:35:47.540 --> 01:35:53.060] see how the government's ever really going to be able to take over the internet really. [01:35:53.060 --> 01:35:56.540] I mean, they're gonna try and really what they're going to do is that they're going [01:35:56.540 --> 01:36:01.300] to do it through trying to offer the best cheapest service and just get people hooked [01:36:01.300 --> 01:36:09.260] on that. You know, the free internet, you know, why pay when you can just use the government [01:36:09.260 --> 01:36:13.940] internet for free, you know, that's what they're going to do. So we just have to work with [01:36:13.940 --> 01:36:19.780] Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The market is there by the you know, by them, Chris eventually [01:36:19.780 --> 01:36:28.420] collapses with that worked out pretty good. Yeah, we can expect government control of [01:36:28.420 --> 01:36:33.980] the internet to work out about as well. Right, right. Well, I'm going to open the phone lines [01:36:33.980 --> 01:36:43.020] now callers if y'all want to call in and comment on this 512-646-1984. So, you know, we've [01:36:43.020 --> 01:36:48.580] been wondering, it's been the big conspiracy theory, how is the government going to take [01:36:48.580 --> 01:36:53.540] over the internet? How are they going to try? So now we know they laid out the whole plan [01:36:53.540 --> 01:37:01.420] for us today at this FCC broadband field hearing, the first of three that are scheduled is another [01:37:01.420 --> 01:37:09.300] one in Washington, DC, and then another one in South Carolina. So any comments, Randy? [01:37:09.300 --> 01:37:15.700] I think the best thing we can do is encourage our states to struggle to get back their state [01:37:15.700 --> 01:37:23.860] rights. I liked what Larry Bradshaw said last suggested last Friday is that we go after [01:37:23.860 --> 01:37:32.900] the inner the IRS in the state and get our legislators to throw the Fed out to stop paying [01:37:32.900 --> 01:37:42.580] the Fed all of this taxes that they're funneling into the Fed that's illegal. And keep that [01:37:42.580 --> 01:37:48.100] tax in the state where they can. Right now they're they're sending the money to the feds [01:37:48.100 --> 01:37:52.980] and the feds are doling it back out. Well, stop sending it to the feds and dole it out [01:37:52.980 --> 01:37:59.020] yourself. Yeah, no kidding. I think that's a good argument. Now I don't like telling [01:37:59.020 --> 01:38:04.360] the states to tax me to death. But if somebody is going to tax me to death, I want someone [01:38:04.360 --> 01:38:15.100] closer to home. It's easier to reach his throat. But there is a lot of animosity toward the [01:38:15.100 --> 01:38:22.780] Fed and the Fed's overreaching tactics with all these states passing 10th Amendment resolutions [01:38:22.780 --> 01:38:29.900] and with states passing laws to to specifically exempt the feds from acting under certain [01:38:29.900 --> 01:38:37.980] conditions. I think the time may be right to show that the IRS has been taxing state [01:38:37.980 --> 01:38:43.660] citizens when they're not authorized to and ask the states to say, hey, stop. We keep [01:38:43.660 --> 01:38:48.260] that at home. That's state money. We get that money. Not you. Now, that's something you [01:38:48.260 --> 01:38:54.620] can get a politician to do. Getting him to take on the Fed just to be taken on the Fed [01:38:54.620 --> 01:38:59.340] is one thing. But if you get him to to take on the Fed so he can spend the money the Fed's [01:38:59.340 --> 01:39:05.620] been spending, now we've got something that could actually happen. And then if we have [01:39:05.620 --> 01:39:13.620] a major problem with the funding, then it's in the state. The bureaucracy is not so large [01:39:13.620 --> 01:39:22.380] and the constituency is more accessible. And that's the way it was intended. So we might [01:39:22.380 --> 01:39:30.040] look at encouraging our legislators to look at all of the money they can keep. And once [01:39:30.040 --> 01:39:35.940] we start out the FCC and the rest of these guys, it won't be so much of a problem. [01:39:35.940 --> 01:39:42.420] Well, you know my input. Normally, I don't think there's anything wrong with a federal [01:39:42.420 --> 01:39:48.140] employee that a bag of cement and a deep pool of water won't fix. [01:39:48.140 --> 01:39:52.260] Eddie. The cement overshoes? [01:39:52.260 --> 01:39:57.740] I'm just dead set in my ways. You know, I think we need this big political tidal wave [01:39:57.740 --> 01:40:02.980] to wash all the filth down the sewers and let's start cleaning it up correctly. This [01:40:02.980 --> 01:40:08.460] piece milling it back together is just not going to work. I mean, if it only takes one [01:40:08.460 --> 01:40:14.260] bad apple to corrupt the entire barrel, what does that say about politics? [01:40:14.260 --> 01:40:20.740] Well, if we can start doing the same thing they're doing, we have the Fed in here throwing [01:40:20.740 --> 01:40:25.500] money around. So it may be time for us to do the same thing. We don't have any money [01:40:25.500 --> 01:40:32.380] to throw around. Yeah, we do. We're giving the Fed a lot of money. I'm not. I don't have [01:40:32.380 --> 01:40:41.780] any money to give them. As a population, this may be actually a political maneuver we can [01:40:41.780 --> 01:40:48.300] use to encourage these things our legislators might not have thought of. Look at all the [01:40:48.300 --> 01:40:55.960] money they get if they stop the Fed from collecting all this IRS tax and taking it to the Fed. [01:40:55.960 --> 01:41:00.860] And once the Fed's not so highly funded, they won't have all this money to be doling out. [01:41:00.860 --> 01:41:09.900] Yeah, but Randy, you're working on the assumption that it's a dual entry accounting system where [01:41:09.900 --> 01:41:13.500] they take taxes from us and then that exact same money they offer it back. That's not [01:41:13.500 --> 01:41:18.700] how it works. I mean, that's not how the banking system works. I mean, the money that the federal [01:41:18.700 --> 01:41:25.860] government dangles like a carrot in front of the local governments and the state governments [01:41:25.860 --> 01:41:33.380] really doesn't come from our taxes. They just make it up. They just print it up. They just [01:41:33.380 --> 01:41:39.600] fractionalize it. They monetize more debt. They're just making it up. It's like Bill [01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:47.720] Veath's analogy, like if you're playing Monopoly and one guy has an endless supply of Monopoly [01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:54.780] money under the table and no one else does, he's going to eventually end up owning everything [01:41:54.780 --> 01:41:58.980] and putting everyone else out of business. That's what's going on. [01:41:58.980 --> 01:42:06.340] At this point, I don't care where the money comes from. At this point, I'm looking to [01:42:06.340 --> 01:42:15.760] give the state a reason to take back its sovereignty. I understand about the money system. But if [01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:22.980] we take the power away from the Fed and bring it back into the state, the Fed will have [01:42:22.980 --> 01:42:30.300] less power to destroy the world around us. What else do we do to stand back here? [01:42:30.300 --> 01:42:36.560] Well, I think also these FOIAs, like what Greg was talking about with his guest art [01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:45.700] the other night, FOIA, the GSA, to get a list of all federal properties that are inside [01:42:45.700 --> 01:42:50.080] the state boundaries. He was talking about land that's been ceded to the government and [01:42:50.080 --> 01:42:55.220] for people that have standing on different issues to push the point about the Fed's not [01:42:55.220 --> 01:43:02.980] having jurisdiction. That's also another way to go about it too, and pressure the politicians. [01:43:02.980 --> 01:43:11.500] That's a direction that I'm looking to take with the FCC in showing that they only have [01:43:11.500 --> 01:43:20.260] jurisdiction over interstate transmission, not in trust state. If my transmission doesn't [01:43:20.260 --> 01:43:25.820] cross the state line, the Fed has nothing to say about it. And in reading through the [01:43:25.820 --> 01:43:34.620] charter, the charter legislation and the actual rules for the FCC, it all goes to interstate. [01:43:34.620 --> 01:43:39.700] Okay, listen, we're going to break. We've got one more segment. Callers, if you'd like [01:43:39.700 --> 01:43:46.580] to call in, 512-646-1984. You can comment on these topics or if you want to bring up [01:43:46.580 --> 01:44:07.060] another subject, that's fine as well. We'll be right back. [01:44:07.060 --> 01:44:14.820] Real Spring. Chemtrails, the modified atmosphere. 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There's always a room at the top [01:45:50.900 --> 01:45:58.700] of a building. They know that if they don't do it, somebody will. Some things in this [01:45:58.700 --> 01:46:05.580] world, I will never understand. Some things, I realize fully. [01:46:05.580 --> 01:46:09.900] We are back. We've got our final segment and we have got a caller on the line. We've got [01:46:09.900 --> 01:46:16.220] Chess from South Dakota. He's one of our affiliates. Chess, you're one of our AM affiliates. You're [01:46:16.220 --> 01:46:21.060] re-broadcasting us up there. How's it going? What's on your mind tonight? [01:46:21.060 --> 01:46:25.300] Pretty well. Thanks. This is an excellent subject. I actually, I sent you email on this [01:46:25.300 --> 01:46:31.060] just now, but I worked for eight years for Southwestern Bell Wireless and then it became [01:46:31.060 --> 01:46:34.660] another Southwestern Bell name, then Singular, and then I also worked for AT&T there in the [01:46:34.660 --> 01:46:41.860] Dallas-Fort Worth area. In fact, I put up 700 of the sites in that area. When I moved [01:46:41.860 --> 01:46:48.260] up here, I noticed something else was going on. I found out here in Sioux Falls, we have [01:46:48.260 --> 01:46:55.060] a unique broadband system that's in testing that could be one of these things. You talked [01:46:55.060 --> 01:46:59.460] about how broadband is kind of hard to pick up in places. [01:46:59.460 --> 01:47:04.660] You know how Alex Jones, he always says they always make their announcements after a deployment [01:47:04.660 --> 01:47:09.540] has already been done, making it sound like we're just asking questions, fielding questions. [01:47:09.540 --> 01:47:14.300] Well, up here, I've talked to the people that run this system. It's out of South Africa. [01:47:14.300 --> 01:47:19.180] It's called the iBurst system, and it uses these proprietary antennas. They're called [01:47:19.180 --> 01:47:26.180] smart antennas. On top of a water tower, there'll be 12 antennas in a radius, and you actually [01:47:26.180 --> 01:47:35.060] have, unlike a broadband card or a GSM or a Verizon wireless-type receiver, this is [01:47:35.060 --> 01:47:41.220] more reliable because the antennas change their gain based on where you are located, [01:47:41.220 --> 01:47:44.140] and it works better than Wi-Fi. [01:47:44.140 --> 01:47:49.460] How would the antenna know where you are, unless you're transmitting back? [01:47:49.460 --> 01:47:57.180] Yeah, you're transmitting back. It identifies the proprietary signal, the BATO code or whatever [01:47:57.180 --> 01:48:02.180] they use, and then that, then it zeroes in on you. But the funny thing is, is I asked [01:48:02.180 --> 01:48:05.820] them, I said, this is such a great technology. How come, I said, it's only in Sioux Falls, [01:48:05.820 --> 01:48:10.540] because I was traveling around, and they said, yep, that South African company is doing the [01:48:10.540 --> 01:48:14.420] testing here, and it's supposed to go to Minneapolis next. Well, then I went back and talked to [01:48:14.420 --> 01:48:18.740] them. They said, nope, they're no longer going to deploy this across the rest of the country, [01:48:18.740 --> 01:48:20.180] and I thought that was strange. [01:48:20.180 --> 01:48:21.180] Why? [01:48:21.180 --> 01:48:27.460] Well, their excuse was, well, the demands for higher speed are higher now, and we're [01:48:27.460 --> 01:48:33.300] going to come out with a newer system that'll allow for higher speeds, but it didn't seem [01:48:33.300 --> 01:48:38.740] like the guy was being honest to me about that. At the same time, though, in this area, [01:48:38.740 --> 01:48:45.380] this is the headquarters for USGS, the Geological Survey System, so all your satellite photos, [01:48:45.380 --> 01:48:47.700] everything, come right through here before anywhere else. [01:48:47.700 --> 01:48:48.700] Wow. [01:48:48.700 --> 01:48:55.540] And this is also where they build all those high-altitude balloons, a place called Aerotech, [01:48:55.540 --> 01:49:00.340] which is a subsidiary of Raven. A lot of weird stuff is going on up here, but as far as that [01:49:00.340 --> 01:49:04.580] wireless thing, I also worked, when I worked for Singular at the time of the Southwestern [01:49:04.580 --> 01:49:11.340] Belt Wireless, every three years, they would spend millions of dollars on these vendors, [01:49:11.340 --> 01:49:15.180] new technologies. They knew this stuff was only going to be around for two or three years, [01:49:15.180 --> 01:49:20.380] but we were always replacing frames and radios and network controllers. It was a constant [01:49:20.380 --> 01:49:24.260] thing, and I always wondered, who has the money to keep investing in this stuff, to [01:49:24.260 --> 01:49:34.140] keep churning it in and out? And what it was, it was just like a foundation to get the greatest [01:49:34.140 --> 01:49:39.860] minds out there to create new products and projects, but there was no life, longevity [01:49:39.860 --> 01:49:40.860] to it. [01:49:40.860 --> 01:49:44.220] So what's the point? Then why? [01:49:44.220 --> 01:49:45.220] It's research. [01:49:45.220 --> 01:49:46.220] Just for research. [01:49:46.220 --> 01:49:52.180] Cryogenic filters, you know, Randy, does that sound familiar? You know what that is? [01:49:52.180 --> 01:49:53.180] Freezing? [01:49:53.180 --> 01:49:55.660] No, okay, like in the middle of Dallas. [01:49:55.660 --> 01:49:56.660] It's super-cooled. [01:49:56.660 --> 01:50:05.580] Yeah, extremely cold filters to help narrow the band of the transmit. Well, we were using [01:50:05.580 --> 01:50:10.980] TDMA, old technology stuff. There was no reason for that. This one filter cost about a million [01:50:10.980 --> 01:50:16.700] and a half dollars. It used nitrogen to keep it cool, and they were testing this in Dallas [01:50:16.700 --> 01:50:20.380] on the TDMA systems, and I was like, there's no way anybody's ever going to buy this. What [01:50:20.380 --> 01:50:24.940] is the point? But I saw tons of that. I was always the guy that watched the installs. I [01:50:24.940 --> 01:50:31.940] had to unlock the door, and just tons of that equipment was being tested. I mean, time after [01:50:31.940 --> 01:50:32.940] time. [01:50:32.940 --> 01:50:40.860] The thing about those things, that kind of research, is they're well aware that out of [01:50:40.860 --> 01:50:50.500] these very expensive research projects, some really incredible answers come that extend [01:50:50.500 --> 01:50:51.500] to every place. [01:50:51.500 --> 01:50:58.660] Yeah, that they can have the government protect the monopoly of later on down the line. [01:50:58.660 --> 01:51:04.700] If they don't do primary research, they won't be able to keep up because someone else is [01:51:04.700 --> 01:51:05.700] doing primary research. [01:51:05.700 --> 01:51:06.700] Why are they doing this research? [01:51:06.700 --> 01:51:07.700] Well, super-cooled technology. [01:51:07.700 --> 01:51:11.060] This has to be funded by the government. [01:51:11.060 --> 01:51:15.180] I mean, we're talking about a lot of money. Nokia, you know... [01:51:15.180 --> 01:51:16.180] This is military. [01:51:16.180 --> 01:51:20.980] Most people think Nokia is just a little handheld phone, but they had a huge research center [01:51:20.980 --> 01:51:25.740] up there in Dallas with a big old cafeteria and shops, and all these people from all around [01:51:25.740 --> 01:51:31.060] the world were deploying. They use that term, deploy, by the way. You hear that all the [01:51:31.060 --> 01:51:34.380] time. Just all sorts of new products that the public didn't see, and we were always [01:51:34.380 --> 01:51:39.100] in these... They had these zig-ziggler things to kind of get you real energized for the [01:51:39.100 --> 01:51:40.100] future. [01:51:40.100 --> 01:51:45.660] Take a step back. I was in the Texas National Guard, too, and I was also a ham operator [01:51:45.660 --> 01:51:51.300] in the late 80s. We had the same technology with the packet radio switch system as the [01:51:51.300 --> 01:51:54.700] National Guard was using with these. They called them node controller switches. I was [01:51:54.700 --> 01:52:03.460] in the signal core part there. In 1987, in the back of a balling alley, I had a packet [01:52:03.460 --> 01:52:08.540] switch system hooked up. I talked to somebody in Japan over the Internet then. That was [01:52:08.540 --> 01:52:15.300] totally different technology than that phytonet, but if you could get a ham guy on, they can [01:52:15.300 --> 01:52:19.860] talk about the technology. I don't know. I lost track of it, but in Austin and Dallas, [01:52:19.860 --> 01:52:24.460] there's some people there that really know how to do this over the airwaves as a backup [01:52:24.460 --> 01:52:27.660] system. I just wanted to throw that out. I thought you guys may find a subject on that [01:52:27.660 --> 01:52:28.660] later on. [01:52:28.660 --> 01:52:35.300] Thank you, Ches. Awesome. Awesome. And thanks for rebroadcasting us up there, too, on your [01:52:35.300 --> 01:52:36.300] AM network. [01:52:36.300 --> 01:52:39.980] Yeah, it's going real well. We're always improving little pieces of that. [01:52:39.980 --> 01:52:40.980] It's awesome. [01:52:40.980 --> 01:52:41.980] Okay. [01:52:41.980 --> 01:52:42.980] All right. Good deal. [01:52:42.980 --> 01:52:43.980] Have a good night. [01:52:43.980 --> 01:52:44.980] All right. Thanks, Ches. [01:52:44.980 --> 01:52:50.780] All right. A good friend, Ches. One of the AM guys. [01:52:50.780 --> 01:52:51.780] Go ahead. [01:52:51.780 --> 01:52:56.060] Personally, if I wanted to see something super cool and kept on ice, it would be most of [01:52:56.060 --> 01:52:59.060] the government officials. [01:52:59.060 --> 01:53:04.660] Yeah, really. Okay. We've got another caller here on the line. We've got Ted from Texas. [01:53:04.660 --> 01:53:09.300] Ted, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind? [01:53:09.300 --> 01:53:15.340] I always thought those people that were trying to get rural, whatever, broadband or whatever, [01:53:15.340 --> 01:53:21.660] were good guys. Of course, you know, if you're not exposed to a lot, you don't get to hear [01:53:21.660 --> 01:53:25.060] the details or think about it a lot. [01:53:25.060 --> 01:53:31.180] It's all for research and development so that they can bring the wireless into the cities [01:53:31.180 --> 01:53:35.420] and control the internet access of the masses. [01:53:35.420 --> 01:53:44.260] And I heard you say earlier what happens if it becomes wireless in the form of control? [01:53:44.260 --> 01:53:45.940] Is it a different law? [01:53:45.940 --> 01:53:51.740] Well, the FCC regulates the airwaves, or at least they claim that they have jurisdiction [01:53:51.740 --> 01:53:56.900] to but it's looking like they really don't. But yeah, the whole point of that's why Randy [01:53:56.900 --> 01:54:04.580] confronted the FCC commissioner today, you know, and I was going to do the same thing. [01:54:04.580 --> 01:54:12.020] I ended up leaving early. But yeah, the whole point of all of this is to get the internet [01:54:12.020 --> 01:54:18.900] out of the hard lines and into the air so that the FCC can regulate it so that the government [01:54:18.900 --> 01:54:23.180] can control the internet and regulate it. They can't regulate it right now because it's [01:54:23.180 --> 01:54:28.180] all in hard lines owned by private companies. But once it gets on the air, that's how the [01:54:28.180 --> 01:54:31.660] government is going to try to seize control of it. [01:54:31.660 --> 01:54:33.820] Because it's a broadcast. [01:54:33.820 --> 01:54:41.060] Because it's on the air, because it's a radio transmission. Anything, any kind of transmission [01:54:41.060 --> 01:54:47.740] is the FCC claims that they have authority to regulate. It'll be a radio frequency, just [01:54:47.740 --> 01:54:54.580] like a radio station like an AM or an FM station. I mean, you're people that have wireless routers [01:54:54.580 --> 01:55:01.340] in their house. The FCC has jurisdiction over that they, according to what they claim is [01:55:01.340 --> 01:55:06.380] their authority, they can enter your house at any time to examine the equipment. See, [01:55:06.380 --> 01:55:12.260] the FCC claims that they have jurisdiction over the airwaves and that's how they get [01:55:12.260 --> 01:55:17.220] to the equipment. They don't need warrants because they have access and jurisdiction [01:55:17.220 --> 01:55:21.980] to all equipment that transmits a radio frequency. [01:55:21.980 --> 01:55:25.100] Yeah, let them show up at my house for that excuse. [01:55:25.100 --> 01:55:31.620] Yeah, well, that was my point. If we're going to get control back, if we can encourage the [01:55:31.620 --> 01:55:38.540] states to take the feds, the FCC, the rest of them and throw them out of the state and [01:55:38.540 --> 01:55:44.180] say if this is a matter of transmitting across state lines, then you can talk to these people. [01:55:44.180 --> 01:55:49.940] You got somebody in Austin or in Dallas who's transmitting and his transmitting mission [01:55:49.940 --> 01:55:54.460] doesn't reach the state lines? Or you got a guy with a wireless here that's transmitting [01:55:54.460 --> 01:56:01.220] wireless to the local community and not across state lines? No, you're business. [01:56:01.220 --> 01:56:06.900] The whole thing about this wireless internet and the reason that these companies are working [01:56:06.900 --> 01:56:13.860] with the FCC, they want the FCC to regulate this because that means the government will [01:56:13.860 --> 01:56:17.220] protect their monopoly. I'm sorry, go ahead, Gary. [01:56:17.220 --> 01:56:23.860] I was just going to say, one place to study this is electricity. Texas has an electric [01:56:23.860 --> 01:56:29.420] grid that's completely within Texas. There are two other electric grids that are roughly [01:56:29.420 --> 01:56:35.500] the west half of the US and the east half of the US, but Texas is very careful all the [01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:42.820] utilities not to cross the state into Oklahoma line in order to avoid federal regulation [01:56:42.820 --> 01:56:45.820] and they seem to have gotten away with that up until now. [01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:50.460] Wow. Interesting. Good place to find precedent. [01:56:50.460 --> 01:56:54.460] The FCC hasn't hassled y'all or maybe they have. I don't know. [01:56:54.460 --> 01:57:03.620] I'm an internet. I run an internet network. The FCC controls radio transmissions. I run [01:57:03.620 --> 01:57:11.820] and produce a network. I produce an internet stream. The FCC can't touch me because I'm [01:57:11.820 --> 01:57:17.660] not a radio station. You can't touch us yet. That's the problem. [01:57:17.660 --> 01:57:33.140] The FCC has to do with regulating radio energy transmissions on the air, not hard line inside [01:57:33.140 --> 01:57:40.100] cables and hard lines and stuff like that. Those are not radio energy transmissions and [01:57:40.100 --> 01:57:45.340] it doesn't even really have to do with broadcasting. When we talk about broadcasting, we think [01:57:45.340 --> 01:57:54.340] of media and information and audio and video, but what the FCC is there for, their charter, [01:57:54.340 --> 01:58:04.940] the statute that put them in place, is to regulate energy, radio energy transmissions, [01:58:04.940 --> 01:58:13.420] radio frequencies. It's like a little star. It's broadcasting a slice of plasma. It's [01:58:13.420 --> 01:58:20.060] emanating energy. It doesn't matter what's actually on that frequency. That's what the [01:58:20.060 --> 01:58:25.900] deal is. That's why they want to get the internet onto the radio, into the air so that the government [01:58:25.900 --> 01:58:30.860] can regulate it there. Okay. Hey, let's get Randy a cryogenic beer [01:58:30.860 --> 01:58:36.420] cooler. You don't like that, huh? Okay. Awesome. All right, Gary, thank you so much [01:58:36.420 --> 01:58:39.940] for joining us tonight. Thank you, Debra. [01:58:39.940 --> 01:58:47.940] All right. All right. Catch Gary's show on Sundays at 8 p.m. Live and Let Live here on [01:58:47.940 --> 01:59:01.240] Lewis Law Radio Network. 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