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[00:05.920 --> 00:12.440]  The Senate Thursday confirmed Sonia Sotomayor as the Supreme Court's first Hispanic justice.
[00:12.440 --> 00:15.980]  The vote was 68 to 31.
[00:15.980 --> 00:21.000]  In the growing Blackwater worldwide scandal, company employees have sworn Blackwater was
[00:21.000 --> 00:26.220]  guilty of using child prostitutes and that owner Eric Prince knew of this activity and
[00:26.220 --> 00:27.860]  did nothing to stop it.
[00:27.860 --> 00:32.880]  The declaration described Blackwater as having young girls provide oral sex in exchange for
[00:32.880 --> 00:35.080]  one American dollar.
[00:35.080 --> 00:40.800]  In England, cases of swine flu have dropped without a major immunization plan in place.
[00:40.800 --> 00:48.080]  England recorded an estimated 30,000 cases last week compared with 110,000 the week before.
[00:48.080 --> 00:52.920]  A month ago, the UK government warned that by the end of August, 100,000 people would
[00:52.920 --> 00:54.640]  be getting swine flu every day.
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[00:59.080 --> 01:04.160]  Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has signaled a shift by the US in favor of the International
[01:04.160 --> 01:09.960]  Criminal Court by the Bush administration that feared US officials could be arrested
[01:09.960 --> 01:11.920]  for alleged war crimes.
[01:11.920 --> 01:17.560]  The court set up in 2002 has pursued dictators mainly from Africa who are alleged to have
[01:17.560 --> 01:20.400]  been engaged in genocide and other war crimes.
[01:20.400 --> 01:26.560]  US government officials are currently banned from any engagement with the ICC whatsoever
[01:26.560 --> 01:31.120]  and administration official cautioned against expecting early entry.
[01:31.120 --> 01:36.040]  Clinton speaking at a public meeting in Kenya said, this is a great regret that we are not
[01:36.040 --> 01:37.560]  a signatory.
[01:37.560 --> 01:42.560]  Clinton and some White House and State Department officials are passionately in favor of joining
[01:42.560 --> 01:45.320]  while others advocate caution.
[01:45.320 --> 01:50.680]  Officers of the ICC including Britain which is a member have long advocated the US joining
[01:50.680 --> 01:58.080]  would immensely strengthen the body.
[01:58.080 --> 02:02.600]  Scientists report a plastic soup of waste floating in the Pacific Ocean now covers an
[02:02.600 --> 02:05.920]  area twice the size of the continental US.
[02:05.920 --> 02:10.560]  The vast expanse of debris is held in place by swirling underwater currents.
[02:10.560 --> 02:15.320]  Charles Moore, an American oceanographer who discovered the great Pacific garbage patch,
[02:15.320 --> 02:20.040]  believes about 100 million tons of flotsam are circulating in the region.
[02:20.040 --> 02:25.560]  The UN Environment Program says plastic debris causes the deaths of more than a million seabirds
[02:25.560 --> 02:28.600]  and 100,000 marine mammals every year.
[02:28.600 --> 02:34.680]  Dr. Erickson said the slowly rotating mass of rubbish-laden water poses a risk to human
[02:34.680 --> 02:35.680]  health too.
[02:35.680 --> 02:40.640]  Hundreds of millions of tiny plastic pellets work their way into the sea.
[02:40.640 --> 02:46.800]  These pollutants act as sponges attracting man-made chemicals such as hydrocarbons and
[02:46.800 --> 02:48.300]  DDT.
[02:48.300 --> 02:50.560]  They then enter the food chain.
[02:50.560 --> 02:55.000]  What goes into the ocean goes into marine animals and onto your dinner plate.
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[04:59.180 --> 05:06.180]  That makes me crazy, that makes me crazy
[05:07.180 --> 05:12.180]  I'm the queen
[05:13.180 --> 05:18.180]  In all that you have in the time of your life
[05:18.180 --> 05:27.180]  Well, think twice, that's my only advice
[05:28.180 --> 05:34.180]  Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are?
[05:35.180 --> 05:43.180]  Let your soul, you really think you're in control?
[05:43.180 --> 05:48.180]  Well, I think you're crazy
[05:49.180 --> 05:52.180]  I think you're crazy
[05:53.180 --> 05:57.180]  I think you're crazy
[05:58.180 --> 06:03.180]  Just like me, you
[06:04.180 --> 06:10.180]  My own leather heart to the life I want to live
[06:10.180 --> 06:17.180]  And all I remember is thinking I want to be like this
[06:18.180 --> 06:23.180]  Mmm, ever since I was little, ever since I was little
[06:24.180 --> 06:30.180]  And I like fun, if it's so coincidence I come
[06:31.180 --> 06:35.180]  And I can die when I'm done
[06:35.180 --> 06:40.180]  But maybe I'm crazy
[06:41.180 --> 06:44.180]  Maybe you're crazy
[06:45.180 --> 06:49.180]  Maybe we're crazy
[06:49.180 --> 07:11.180]  Crazy
[07:12.180 --> 07:17.180]  Okay, we are back. The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[07:17.180 --> 07:26.180]  Okay, we are here. We've got Rick from California, I'm sorry, Rick from Texas.
[07:27.180 --> 07:30.180]  Go ahead, Rick.
[07:31.180 --> 07:36.180]  Rick, I'm sorry, okay, Rick dropped off the line. All right, we've got Paul.
[07:37.180 --> 07:39.180]  Rick's been listening to me. I think I put him to sleep.
[07:40.180 --> 07:44.180]  Okay, we're going to go to Paul from Texas. Paul, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[07:44.180 --> 07:50.180]  Yeah, Deborah, you said before the break I was going to talk about foreclosures and mortgages,
[07:51.180 --> 07:56.180]  and that's not what I'll call about tonight. I called to ask your guest this evening
[07:57.180 --> 08:06.180]  what the implication is and all he has described relative to these photo cameras that take your pictures and go through a red light.
[08:07.180 --> 08:10.180]  Do you have any opinion about what the heck that...
[08:10.180 --> 08:25.180]  In Montana, they said that these cameras create a whole new type of crime, crime by ownership.
[08:26.180 --> 08:32.180]  There is absolutely no way these things can be constitutional muster.
[08:32.180 --> 08:40.180]  Yeah, not to mention the fact that here in Texas, they fall under a civil violation completely separate
[08:41.180 --> 08:47.180]  than of the authority of the actual court they have appealing the case, which is the municipal courts here in Texas.
[08:48.180 --> 08:55.180]  And the municipal court in Texas has zero civil jurisdiction. Their jurisdiction is limited to criminal only
[08:56.180 --> 09:00.180]  and only criminal violations of particular city statutes.
[09:00.180 --> 09:07.180]  They cannot adjudicate anything dealing with a civil offense.
[09:08.180 --> 09:12.180]  So right off the bat there, the red light cameras in cities have a problem.
[09:13.180 --> 09:22.180]  Well, my reason for asking, my son, who is a college student, was in the Houston area
[09:22.180 --> 09:30.180]  and apparently drove through a yellow light he thought that turned out to be red and they have sent him a $100 fine.
[09:31.180 --> 09:40.180]  And I'm just curious as to what type of response, if any, he could place against them.
[09:41.180 --> 09:45.180]  Well, the first thing is, is it's civil. He has not signed a notice to appear.
[09:45.180 --> 09:51.180]  Therefore, he has made no promise to pay them anything or to appear to answer for anything.
[09:52.180 --> 09:54.180]  The fact that they sent him a picture, do what the comedian said.
[09:55.180 --> 09:58.180]  They sent you a picture of your license plate, send them a picture of a check.
[09:59.180 --> 10:02.180]  Good idea.
[10:03.180 --> 10:05.180]  All right.
[10:06.180 --> 10:09.180]  Because basically speaking, there's absolutely nothing here.
[10:10.180 --> 10:12.180]  They're just trying to see if you're willing to fork over money without a fight.
[10:12.180 --> 10:17.180]  Because if you take them to task on it, since it's civil,
[10:18.180 --> 10:23.180]  they have to provide proof that you have a contractual obligation to fulfill that civil duty.
[10:24.180 --> 10:26.180]  Does your son have one?
[10:27.180 --> 10:28.180]  No, he doesn't.
[10:29.180 --> 10:34.180]  I'm thinking, as much as I've given the maritime jurisdiction guys a hard time,
[10:35.180 --> 10:37.180]  I'm really not against the commercial guys.
[10:37.180 --> 10:41.180]  And this all appears to be commercial, since it's in the civil realm.
[10:42.180 --> 10:47.180]  So, accepted for value and returned to them.
[10:48.180 --> 10:50.180]  Yeah, just write accepted for value.
[10:51.180 --> 10:54.180]  There's a particular statement, which if you do a search on the Internet for accepted for value,
[10:55.180 --> 10:59.180]  there will be dozens upon dozens of pages pulled up that will tell you what the statement is.
[11:00.180 --> 11:04.180]  You can write across the face of the notice, stick it back in the mail, send it right back to them.
[11:04.180 --> 11:08.180]  Well, would you send a picture of a check with it?
[11:09.180 --> 11:09.180]  Yeah.
[11:10.180 --> 11:14.180]  Well, not if you accepted it for value, but now if you want to just, you know, sponsor it.
[11:15.180 --> 11:20.180]  This is a picture of the check that you would get if you could show that you have subject matter jurisdiction.
[11:21.180 --> 11:23.180]  And a contract with me that binds me.
[11:24.180 --> 11:26.180]  This is what you're going to receive.
[11:27.180 --> 11:28.180]  Yeah, exactly.
[11:28.180 --> 11:36.180]  If you can produce the contract that obligates me or puts me under a duty to pay this ticket, then I'll do so.
[11:37.180 --> 11:40.180]  Until that time, here's a picture of what you wanted, but aren't getting.
[11:41.180 --> 11:43.180]  Yeah, here's evidence that it exists.
[11:44.180 --> 11:49.180]  I would just do the accepted for value and send it back.
[11:50.180 --> 11:55.180]  Next question, Randy, are you back in Central Texas or are you still up in North Texas?
[11:55.180 --> 11:57.180]  I'm still in North Texas.
[11:58.180 --> 12:09.180]  Okay, well, when you get back here, you and I need to visit so that you and I can at some point schedule a time to discuss all this stuff with foreclosures and these bonds and the mortgages.
[12:10.180 --> 12:12.180]  Well, would you like to talk about that now on the air?
[12:13.180 --> 12:16.180]  Well, I hadn't really planned on talking about it tonight.
[12:17.180 --> 12:20.180]  I could talk about it, but I don't have any real notes in front of me.
[12:21.180 --> 12:23.180]  I would like to schedule you for a show.
[12:23.180 --> 12:33.180]  Yeah, tonight, in all honesty, Debra, it sounds like you're more into traffic violations, and I don't want to pick a lot of stuff where people may have been holding to talk to you about that.
[12:34.180 --> 12:40.180]  I'll be happy to meet with you, and Randy, whenever you get back here, you know how to get a hold of me or if you can't get a hold of me.
[12:41.180 --> 12:43.180]  Yeah, I can get a hold of Russell. He can get a hold of you.
[12:43.180 --> 13:05.180]  This is the guy that knows how the bonds work, and I used what you told me the other day about how the bank who's doing the mortgages gets like 50 million bucks from Wells Fargo, loans out the loans, and has to pay it back to Wells Fargo.
[13:05.180 --> 13:17.180]  So they wind up selling the notes to someone else so they can pay back to Wells Fargo, and that made it all really make sense, and I would very much like to have you on the show.
[13:18.180 --> 13:19.180]  I'm sorry, what was that, Paul?
[13:19.180 --> 13:42.180]  Sold many times, not just once. They're called tranches, and they have multiple levels of them, and each one of them is sold separately, and that's the reason the economy is the way it is right now is because of the way they've bastardized these instruments.
[13:43.180 --> 13:47.180]  And how does one keep track of where they're going as they're being bought and sold?
[13:47.180 --> 13:55.180]  It's called the Depository Trust Corporation. It's located in New York Street. I think it's 55 Wall Street, Seattle, respite.
[13:56.180 --> 14:11.180]  They're the ones that issue all the QCIP numbers for each and every one of these instruments, and depending on whether it's international or domestic, it's determined by the number of the numbers that are in the QCIP number will determine that.
[14:11.180 --> 14:24.180]  Most of our notes have been sold in the last couple of years to London, but anyway, I would prefer to get into this where we could start from the beginning and go through it rather than try and piecemeal questions.
[14:25.180 --> 14:33.180]  Let me give you my line. It takes about 20 minutes to describe it, and then everyone that wants to can call in, and I'll be able to answer as many questions as they have.
[14:34.180 --> 14:36.180]  Would you like to come on the air on Monday?
[14:36.180 --> 14:45.180]  Deborah, let me talk to you guys off the air about that, because I would prefer to do it on Friday.
[14:46.180 --> 14:52.180]  Friday would be great. I suspect with the kind of information you have, Friday would be great.
[14:53.180 --> 14:56.180]  Okay, well then we can do it next Friday.
[14:57.180 --> 15:01.180]  Yeah, now before you go, I do have one more question regarding this red light camera ticket your son got.
[15:01.180 --> 15:10.180]  Deborah sent me a link here, and I just looked at it. By any chance, what was the name of the company or do you recall the name of the company that was on the citation that was sent?
[15:11.180 --> 15:19.180]  I don't remember. The initial letter came from Scottsdale, I think Arizona, and then after that it was from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
[15:20.180 --> 15:25.180]  Okay, Scottsdale, Arizona is where this company that got sued for operating without a license was.
[15:26.180 --> 15:29.180]  That was the initial notice.
[15:29.180 --> 15:37.180]  Yeah, find on that ticket what company is responsible for the issuance and provisions for that ticket to appear in court as evidence.
[15:38.180 --> 15:46.180]  Call the Secretary of State and see if there is a criminal investigator's license on file for that company. If there's not, sue them.
[15:47.180 --> 15:49.180]  That's what an attorney in Texas did when they mailed him a ticket.
[15:49.180 --> 15:59.180]  Yeah, and filed criminal charges against him under 17.01.338. I happen to know that one.
[16:00.180 --> 16:01.180]  I guess you do, don't you?
[16:02.180 --> 16:03.180]  It's on me for that very one.
[16:04.180 --> 16:08.180]  All right, Randy, 17.01.338?
[16:09.180 --> 16:15.180]  Yeah,.338. That's the criminal statute on that issue.
[16:16.180 --> 16:17.180]  All right, sir.
[16:17.180 --> 16:29.180]  I did Lexus on it, I found one hit, and it was kind of an oblique hit, so nobody's really been prosecuted for it, so the door is open.
[16:30.180 --> 16:34.180]  Well, I'm just getting up and knocking on it.
[16:35.180 --> 16:38.180]  Good, just kick it down.
[16:38.180 --> 16:49.180]  All right, well, give me a call when you get back, or we'll figure out a number. You've got my number, give me a call, and we'll see if we can arrange to visit with you all.
[16:50.180 --> 16:51.180]  Okay, great, Paul.
[16:52.180 --> 16:53.180]  All right, thanks a lot.
[16:54.180 --> 16:55.180]  All right, thank you.
[16:56.180 --> 16:58.180]  Okay, we're going now to Gary in Texas.
[16:59.180 --> 17:01.180]  Gary, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[17:02.180 --> 17:06.180]  Gary?
[17:06.180 --> 17:09.180]  I think I put him to sleep.
[17:10.180 --> 17:12.180]  Okay, all right, we'll try to go back to Gary.
[17:13.180 --> 17:17.180]  We are going to go now to Jim in Texas.
[17:18.180 --> 17:20.180]  Jim, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[17:21.180 --> 17:27.180]  I just have a question about this Medical Reform Act that they're working on.
[17:28.180 --> 17:33.180]  I know it's a little bit off topic, but it does tie in, and my question does a little bit.
[17:33.180 --> 17:51.180]  Did you hear the comment the one congressman made about the reason that they didn't read the bill was it would take two attorneys to translate it, to tell them what they were reading?
[17:52.180 --> 17:54.180]  It doesn't surprise me. I didn't hear the comment.
[17:55.180 --> 17:58.180]  Actually, it does surprise me. I would have expected at least five times that number.
[17:58.180 --> 18:02.180]  Well, when they made that comment, it made me think.
[18:03.180 --> 18:13.180]  If a bill like this is ever passed and somebody's challenging any part of it in court, court has to go to congressional intent, right?
[18:14.180 --> 18:17.180]  And the Congress has no clues.
[18:18.180 --> 18:24.180]  That's right. That's what I was thinking. So how would you ever – I mean, they even admit it if they have no clue.
[18:24.180 --> 18:28.180]  Yeah, that's like them adjudicating an act where they signed it without reading it.
[18:29.180 --> 18:32.180]  How do you go against legislative intent when they didn't read it to give it any intent?
[18:33.180 --> 18:41.180]  Well, and that was the whole reason that this congressman said that they didn't read it because they didn't have the time and it would take two attorneys in order to translate it.
[18:42.180 --> 18:47.180]  Did you need to move against the congressman for malfeasance in office?
[18:47.180 --> 18:54.180]  That's what I was – I mean, when I heard it on the news, it made me think about it and I was going to call in last week.
[18:55.180 --> 19:02.180]  That's what I've been saying all along, that when they vote on these bills and pass them into law and they don't read them.
[19:03.180 --> 19:13.180]  You know, I've been talking about how if a public official violates a law relating to his office or affairs reform or duties required to perform, that's official misconduct.
[19:13.180 --> 19:28.180]  Well, what I hadn't considered are legislators. If a legislator passes legislation that he hasn't read, that comes up to malfeasance in office.
[19:29.180 --> 19:31.180]  That's what I was talking about a couple of weeks ago.
[19:32.180 --> 19:34.180]  And we should file against the legislator.
[19:34.180 --> 19:43.180]  Well, and they haven't read it and admittedly know that they can't even understand it. They say that they can't understand it.
[19:44.180 --> 19:48.180]  Well, here's the thing though. If they can't understand it, then they're not the ones writing it.
[19:49.180 --> 19:57.180]  If they're not the ones writing it, then who is? Because it's my understanding they're responsible for writing the laws that get passed.
[19:58.180 --> 19:58.180]  Right.
[19:59.180 --> 20:02.180]  Well, actually they don't. They have someone present them with a white paper.
[20:02.180 --> 20:04.180]  Right. I know what they do.
[20:05.180 --> 20:12.180]  If they don't understand it, then there can be no legislative intent.
[20:13.180 --> 20:27.180]  And for a legislator to pass a statute that he has no idea of what the purpose is, I would think we should be able to go after the legislator for malfeasance.
[20:27.180 --> 20:40.180]  He's collecting money from the citizens in the form of salary in violation of his oath of office.
[20:41.180 --> 20:50.180]  Well, and not only that, Randy, but I'd like to go after some of these people, these legislators and the lobbyists and heads of think tanks that are pushing off this legislation.
[20:50.180 --> 20:57.180]  Because with the bailout bills, they didn't even have time to read it before the vote.
[20:58.180 --> 21:00.180]  The bill wasn't even finished being drafted.
[21:01.180 --> 21:06.180]  They withheld it from all members of Congress until literally 10 minutes before it was scheduled to be voted on.
[21:07.180 --> 21:11.180]  And the members of Congress were threatened with martial law.
[21:12.180 --> 21:14.180]  They said, if you guys don't vote this, there's going to be martial law.
[21:14.180 --> 21:22.180]  That was admitted. They went on mainstream TV and said it, some of these congressmen.
[21:23.180 --> 21:38.180]  So now what about the people who are emotionally blackmailing and otherwise blackmailing our congressmen saying, you're going to vote this bill in and you're not going to read it either and you just better do it or there's going to be martial law.
[21:39.180 --> 21:40.180]  What about that?
[21:40.180 --> 21:45.180]  Well, on any of these bills that they haven't read, there could have been no intent.
[21:46.180 --> 21:53.180]  They didn't have any idea what the bill actually, except for the title of the bill, what the verbiage is.
[21:54.180 --> 21:58.180]  So there could be no legislative intent.
[21:59.180 --> 21:59.180]  Right.
[21:59.180 --> 22:13.180]  You said no intent and I was trying to articulate the difference. No intent to do anything improper as opposed to no legislative intent for the purpose of the legislation.
[22:14.180 --> 22:16.180]  Outside of passing more and more and more bills.
[22:16.180 --> 22:35.180]  Yeah, this goes to malfeasance and we ought to start filing it. I wonder what would happen if you filed malfeasance in office against an elected official for failing to read a bill on which he voted.
[22:36.180 --> 22:39.180]  It would be interesting to find out.
[22:40.180 --> 22:42.180]  It would be fun.
[22:42.180 --> 22:51.180]  I mean, somebody's got to be held accountable for these things. They do this all the time and there's got to be a way of holding them.
[22:52.180 --> 23:07.180]  And I thought it was just, I mean, when he told me or said on the television that, you know, it wouldn't do any good for him to read it because he wouldn't be able to understand that it would take two attorneys in order to...
[23:07.180 --> 23:13.180]  Then you should file seditious treason against him for voting for it.
[23:14.180 --> 23:16.180]  And where is he going to file this? Who is he going to file it with?
[23:17.180 --> 23:18.180]  U.S. Attorney.
[23:19.180 --> 23:26.180]  And when the U.S. Attorney refuses to give the grand jury, you file against the U.S. Attorney with the district judge.
[23:27.180 --> 23:32.180]  And when the district judge refused to give it to the grand jury, you file against the district judge with the U.S. Attorney General.
[23:32.180 --> 23:40.180]  And you just stir up the stink. If we can get thousands of people to do this across the United States, we'll get their attention.
[23:41.180 --> 23:46.180]  Well, you can see what they're saying about the town hall meetings that they're all set up. Yeah.
[23:47.180 --> 23:50.180]  There are a bunch of people that are upset about what the government's doing right now.
[23:51.180 --> 23:56.180]  And, I mean, they're not listening to the people that they're supposed to see.
[23:56.180 --> 24:01.180]  Well, that's because the people are petitioning the government for redress of grievance.
[24:02.180 --> 24:13.180]  And what they perceive as petitioning the government is going to the government and holding up a petition and saying, hey, Joe Blow, do it right.
[24:14.180 --> 24:16.180]  Right. Instead of taking them to court and...
[24:16.180 --> 24:26.180]  Right. That's not what petitioning means. Petitioning means to file a petition in the courts, criminal petition or civil petition.
[24:27.180 --> 24:31.180]  That's what petitioning government for redress of grievance means.
[24:32.180 --> 24:37.180]  Well, I'm going to have to look back and see who actually made the statement. And I know that they voted on it.
[24:38.180 --> 24:42.180]  Whoever it is needs to get seditious treason filed against it.
[24:42.180 --> 24:49.180]  And what are we going to do about the people that are holding this over the legislators' heads and blackmailing them and threatening them?
[24:50.180 --> 24:56.180]  Not anything we can, unless the people who are doing this do an overt threat.
[24:57.180 --> 25:06.180]  If they say, if you don't do this thing, I'll do this thing you don't like. As long as this thing you don't like is not a crime, they can do that.
[25:07.180 --> 25:08.180]  That's what happened, though.
[25:08.180 --> 25:15.180]  Yeah. So it's the legislators' duty to exercise moral courage.
[25:16.180 --> 25:23.180]  Right. I mean, he's the one that has to stand up and say no. And the more pressure that gets put on him, the more reason he's going to have to say no.
[25:24.180 --> 25:30.180]  Yeah. And don't listen to this nonsense about the fallacy of the ballot box.
[25:31.180 --> 25:36.180]  Oh, if you don't like what he was doing, well, you just vote him out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[25:36.180 --> 25:47.180]  If he violates the law relating to his office, that does not go to voting him out. That goes to official misconduct, class A misdemeanor, throw him in jail, put him in prison.
[25:48.180 --> 25:56.180]  Not to mention that there is no vote right now anyway, not until we get paper ballots back and not paper ballots scanned by a computer either.
[25:57.180 --> 25:58.180]  Well.
[25:59.180 --> 26:00.180]  Count it in public view.
[26:00.180 --> 26:09.180]  It's going to have to go to that. But anyway, I wanted to bring that up and see what your thoughts were on it. And I'll get off here and let the next callers get on.
[26:10.180 --> 26:12.180]  All right. Thank you. Thank you, Jim.
[26:13.180 --> 26:20.180]  Okay. We are going to go now to Gary in Texas. Gary, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[26:21.180 --> 26:26.180]  Okay. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. I apologize for dropping off earlier.
[26:27.180 --> 26:28.180]  Oh, that's okay.
[26:28.180 --> 26:37.180]  Wrong button. Okay. I've got first of all compliments, criticisms, exportation and a question.
[26:38.180 --> 26:50.180]  Number one, the compliment is this is undoubtedly this is the best show on air and has the best damn bumper music I've ever heard.
[26:51.180 --> 26:52.180]  Well, thanks.
[26:52.180 --> 27:01.180]  Yeah. Number two, criticisms. And I have to apologize. And if I'm out of character, you'll just have to stop me and tell me.
[27:01.180 --> 27:26.180]  But most of the questions that I'm hearing from this astute body of listeners are questions based on lack of knowledge. And that knowledge could be remedied by ordering and studying
[27:26.180 --> 27:36.180]  and applying the jurisdictionary course, which is available on rule of law radio for a very, very good price.
[27:37.180 --> 27:47.180]  Okay. Now I'm sorry. I'm not meaning to because I'm one of the class of people that doesn't have jurisdictionary.
[27:47.180 --> 27:57.180]  In my case, I've wanted it. I've known I've needed it. I just haven't been financially able. But it is a very, very, very critical tool.
[27:58.180 --> 28:08.180]  And many, many of the questions that are being asked by people who are first time or occasional listeners are because of an honest lack of knowledge.
[28:08.180 --> 28:21.180]  And much of this could be remedied by spending a couple of hundred bucks on the course. And if 50% of the listenership would purchase the course and study it,
[28:22.180 --> 28:29.180]  I guarantee you that the content of your radio program would be able to go into stratosphere.
[28:29.180 --> 28:43.180]  Yes. I was talking to someone from, I think the one from Madison, Wisconsin, where his son had been arrested with two other teenagers.
[28:44.180 --> 28:54.180]  The son was a passenger, was a guest in a car. They found a roach in the console. He arrested the son.
[28:54.180 --> 29:01.180]  And he's telling me what was going on. I said, well, you know, you really shouldn't file a writ of mandamus. He said, I did that.
[29:02.180 --> 29:07.180]  And we kept talking. Yeah, you should file an emergency restraining order. I did that.
[29:08.180 --> 29:16.180]  And finally, I said, wait a minute, wait a minute. Do you have jurisdictionary? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I went through the whole thing.
[29:16.180 --> 29:24.180]  I could tell. Yeah. And jurisdictionary is not very difficult.
[29:25.180 --> 29:32.180]  Yeah. And I will say this, that if you would come to the seminar, if people out there would preregister and come to the seminar,
[29:33.180 --> 29:41.180]  you get two days of our seminar, including traffic, due process, jury functioning, remedies, and jurisdictionary,
[29:41.180 --> 29:47.180]  all for only $150 more than what the price of jurisdictionary is on the Web site. Yeah.
[29:48.180 --> 29:57.180]  And that's the next thing I wanted to touch upon. And again, it is a friendly, respectful criticism.
[29:58.180 --> 30:04.180]  And that is that I don't think you're marketing the seminar as well as you could. And here's what I mean by that.
[30:04.180 --> 30:15.180]  Okay. Number one, just the legal paperwork, the motions and filings that are going to be on the CD that come with the class,
[30:16.180 --> 30:22.180]  like I told Eddie, I believe that those are worth at least $10,000.
[30:23.180 --> 30:31.180]  First, if you could get an attorney, first of all, to write them, to research them and write them, it'd be no less than 10 grand.
[30:31.180 --> 30:39.180]  And I bet I can back that up. Number two, get the jurisdictionary, the jurisdictionary course,
[30:40.180 --> 30:52.180]  and you get two days of live conference from guys like Randy with 30 years experience, Debbie with a couple of decades of experience,
[30:53.180 --> 30:56.180]  Eddie Craig with probably at least a decade of experience. Two weeks?
[30:56.180 --> 31:00.180]  Yeah, at least two weeks, right? Yeah, at least that much.
[31:01.180 --> 31:07.180]  And maybe I'm stupid, but I've spent over three grand for a weekend seminar before,
[31:08.180 --> 31:15.180]  and I guarantee you it's not going to have near the content that this traffic seminar is going to have for 400 bucks.
[31:15.180 --> 31:25.180]  Well, just in my own defense for the marketing, we just decided late Monday afternoon what the exact deal was going to be,
[31:26.180 --> 31:33.180]  and I've had to take on more hours at my work because the financial situation with the network is so difficult.
[31:34.180 --> 31:40.180]  So I'm working full-time now in the mornings and all afternoon too. I barely get home in time to run the radio shows at night.
[31:40.180 --> 31:45.180]  I get about five or six hours of sleep, and so I just have not had time to even make a post on the Web site.
[31:46.180 --> 31:54.180]  I'm going to try to do that this weekend. So if you have any good marketing language that you think would be good to write up,
[31:55.180 --> 31:59.180]  then send something to me so I can put it up as part of the information on the Web site.
[32:00.180 --> 32:07.180]  Well, I appreciate that, but I need to tell you I'm not a marketer, but I'm really passionate about this subject,
[32:07.180 --> 32:15.180]  and really, you know, like my favorite chef, Emeril Lagasse, says, people, it's time to kick it up a notch.
[32:16.180 --> 32:25.180]  We need to get educated. The jurisdiction, of course, I firmly believe is one of the critical things that those of us
[32:26.180 --> 32:30.180]  that are listening tonight need to drop a couple of dimes for.
[32:30.180 --> 32:38.180]  Number two, the track, of course, is going to give us the jurisdictionary course plus two days of live instruction.
[32:39.180 --> 32:42.180]  I'd like to see you have 500 people at that seminar.
[32:43.180 --> 32:49.180]  I'd like to see you have to hold it at the Austin Convention Center rather than at Brave New Books.
[32:50.180 --> 32:56.180]  You know, we need to get motivated and really get excited. It is time to take our state back.
[32:56.180 --> 32:59.180]  Yeah, we would. Go ahead, Randy.
[33:00.180 --> 33:06.180]  We would, too, because, you know, I've been doing this a long time, and I really want to go back to my life.
[33:07.180 --> 33:16.180]  If we could get people to come to this traffic seminar and just coming to the traffic seminar,
[33:17.180 --> 33:22.180]  I guarantee you it will give you a level of freedom you've never known.
[33:22.180 --> 33:25.180]  What were you going to say? I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[33:26.180 --> 33:32.180]  How many people drive down the street and see a policeman and don't cringe? I don't cringe.
[33:33.180 --> 33:41.180]  Bubba, you want to start a fight with me? I'll give you a fight you won't believe.
[33:42.180 --> 33:46.180]  And it's not that I have this tremendous amount of information.
[33:46.180 --> 33:51.180]  There's just a few basic laws that I've come to understand
[33:52.180 --> 34:01.180]  and a few basic principles of law that I can use to adjudicate the laws that exist, and that's what this will give you.
[34:02.180 --> 34:03.180]  Absolutely.
[34:04.180 --> 34:10.180]  Forget about traffic tickets. That's nothing. Freedom. That's what this will give you.
[34:11.180 --> 34:14.180]  It will give you a sense of control of your life.
[34:14.180 --> 34:21.180]  You guys want to come and start a fight with me? I'm not so vulnerable anymore, and what is that worth?
[34:22.180 --> 34:29.180]  Yeah, and the fact is that this information that we give you addresses traffic tickets and everything, true,
[34:30.180 --> 34:35.180]  but the knowledge that you will get from it will go far beyond that capacity.
[34:36.180 --> 34:39.180]  It will take you into areas where you always thought you would fear to tread,
[34:39.180 --> 34:46.180]  but now you have a confidence that, hey, I researched this. It took me only a few hours to learn what I need to know and get it right.
[34:47.180 --> 34:52.180]  Let me see what I can apply this to because somebody else over here has given me a problem, like on my property taxes, for instance.
[34:53.180 --> 34:56.180]  It gives you the ability and desire to want to set things right.
[34:57.180 --> 35:00.180]  Now, the other point on this – yeah, I'm sorry. Let me finish up here, Randy, and I'll give it back to you.
[35:01.180 --> 35:02.180]  Go ahead.
[35:02.180 --> 35:11.180]  The other thing on this is even though $400 sounds like a lot up front, when you consider what you're getting out of it, it's not.
[35:12.180 --> 35:19.180]  And the other thing is that you have to consider the fact that we are giving up our ability to earn a better living for ourselves
[35:20.180 --> 35:29.180]  to put this stuff together and research it and give it to you, and that diminishes our ability to spend time earning a living and so on and so forth.
[35:29.180 --> 35:35.180]  And what we really need to get out of this not only is enough to compensate us for what has to be spent to put it together,
[35:36.180 --> 35:41.180]  but enough for us to make a little bit where we can actually have a standard of living while we're doing this on your behalf.
[35:42.180 --> 35:45.180]  This isn't being done for us as individuals.
[35:46.180 --> 35:53.180]  This is being done so that we can give it to all the people and put the power to fight back in our own hands.
[35:53.180 --> 35:59.180]  So we need this simply because all our time is being dedicated to this.
[36:00.180 --> 36:04.180]  It makes earning a living of any reasonable standard very, very difficult.
[36:05.180 --> 36:18.180]  Yeah. If there's anybody out there who understands AutoCAD, when I'm not writing legal documents, I'm cussing AutoCAD with a loud and clear voice.
[36:18.180 --> 36:23.180]  And the problem is he's almost never not writing legal documents. That's the problem.
[36:24.180 --> 36:33.180]  Yeah. Understand that we really are, okay, let me put it a little different light on this.
[36:34.180 --> 36:39.180]  Yeah, I'm an engineer. I could do a lot better somewhere else.
[36:39.180 --> 36:48.180]  I have a number of inventions that I invent stuff for particular applications. I just don't want to invent stuff.
[36:49.180 --> 36:56.180]  But where I have an application, a problem, someone needs to be addressed. You give me the problem, I'll design you an answer.
[36:57.180 --> 37:02.180]  That's what got me into law. I found something was wrong and it was a conundrum. So I tried to figure out what was wrong.
[37:02.180 --> 37:15.180]  I could do a lot better in that. But when I stand before St. Peter and look back on this time I spent here and he's going to ask me, what did you do with it?
[37:16.180 --> 37:24.180]  Well, I have a special reason because I have a twin brother that I lost at 21. He only had 21 years.
[37:24.180 --> 37:34.180]  And I suspect he's going to be standing there wondering what I did with my time to make up for the time he didn't have.
[37:35.180 --> 37:43.180]  So for me it's whatever the price, no matter how hard it is, doesn't matter.
[37:44.180 --> 37:51.180]  But I could be making a lot more money somewhere else. But this is to save the country.
[37:51.180 --> 38:02.180]  And I know it seems kind of trite, but we can. Right down here at the bottom, we undermine the system.
[38:03.180 --> 38:08.180]  Down here at the bottom we will destabilize the whole thing. You look back through history.
[38:09.180 --> 38:17.180]  When you look back through history do you see masses of people changing the world? You don't.
[38:17.180 --> 38:24.180]  You see Napoleon's, you see Stalin's, you see Churchill's, you see Hitler's.
[38:25.180 --> 38:32.180]  You see good guys, you see bad guys, but you see guys, you see individuals and girls.
[38:33.180 --> 38:38.180]  I'm a little half-women, but you see individuals inspiring the masses.
[38:38.180 --> 38:50.180]  Things don't change by the will of the masses. They change by one single person standing up and saying, to quote Eddie Childs,
[38:51.180 --> 38:56.180]  I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
[38:56.180 --> 39:07.180]  And you come to this seminar, we will give you tools more than the motions, more than the documentation,
[39:08.180 --> 39:15.180]  but the understanding and realization that you have the power to change your life.
[39:16.180 --> 39:21.180]  For me, that's a value I couldn't calculate.
[39:21.180 --> 39:27.180]  I don't fear a judge, I don't fear a DPS officer.
[39:28.180 --> 39:33.180]  You smashed my face into the wall. Well, big deal, Bubba. We'd like it done with you.
[39:34.180 --> 39:36.180]  I mean, how many people have that?
[39:37.180 --> 39:42.180]  Well, not a lot. I certainly don't because in my business I can't have my face smashed into the wall.
[39:42.180 --> 39:50.180]  And I know a lot of women that will do whatever we think we need to do to not get pulled over the cops by the cops
[39:51.180 --> 39:52.180]  because we're afraid of getting raped by the cops.
[39:53.180 --> 39:58.180]  So not everyone can have that kind of assertion.
[39:59.180 --> 40:09.180]  I mean, I can't have my nose broken and my cheekbones smashed in and still be a competent, successful therapist in a doctor's office.
[40:09.180 --> 40:18.180]  But what this will do, all right, is once we start fighting back and we start making the differences that we can make,
[40:19.180 --> 40:24.180]  if we will fight back, then the possibility of that occurring becomes much less.
[40:25.180 --> 40:26.180]  Absolutely.
[40:27.180 --> 40:34.180]  And us guys who don't give a crap what we look like, you know, we can take this stuff. It's our job to do this.
[40:35.180 --> 40:37.180]  Not that I have that worry to begin with, but still.
[40:37.180 --> 40:44.180]  Well, after that phone call from Officer Ben when he said that, you know, if we don't like you, you know,
[40:45.180 --> 40:48.180]  we'll just arrest you and make something up on the way to the jail.
[40:49.180 --> 40:53.180]  And God knows what they're going to do to you on the way to the jail also if you're a pretty woman.
[40:54.180 --> 40:58.180]  You know, it's definitely reinforced my fear, that's for sure.
[40:59.180 --> 41:03.180]  Well, let me bring up something while we're on this subject.
[41:03.180 --> 41:06.180]  And, Deborah, you're bringing up a really, really good point.
[41:07.180 --> 41:15.180]  See, one of the problems here is that public has become afraid of their public servants.
[41:16.180 --> 41:17.180]  Yeah, with good reason.
[41:18.180 --> 41:20.180]  Being their responsibility to control them.
[41:21.180 --> 41:22.180]  Gary, you are dead on.
[41:22.180 --> 41:35.180]  Well, the reason is that we, the people, have failed to put these appointed law enforcement officers
[41:36.180 --> 41:38.180]  and public servants on a choke chain.
[41:39.180 --> 41:44.180]  We need to put them on the choke chain, and when they get out of line, we need to jerk it
[41:44.180 --> 41:51.180]  so that they say, oops, we're out of line, sorry, we'll never do it again.
[41:52.180 --> 41:55.180]  Great metaphor. Great metaphor.
[41:56.180 --> 42:03.180]  Yeah. One thing, some practical application, because I know that there's a lot of people listening tonight
[42:04.180 --> 42:09.180]  that want to get in, but a couple of things I wanted to recommend as far as the seminar is concerned.
[42:09.180 --> 42:13.180]  I was telling Eddie today, because he and I spoke privately.
[42:14.180 --> 42:19.180]  I've put on a couple of seminars, and one of the things that I encourage people to do,
[42:20.180 --> 42:24.180]  you have to realize with the state of the economy that not everybody that wants to come can come,
[42:25.180 --> 42:32.180]  but if you've got a group of friends, why don't you appoint the sharpest tack in the box,
[42:32.180 --> 42:39.180]  the brightest light in the bin, and say, we will fund you to go for us on our behalf,
[42:40.180 --> 42:45.180]  take great notes, bring the information back, and then teach us what you learned.
[42:46.180 --> 42:55.180]  If you've got five friends or six friends, you can each kick in, you know, $40, $50 apiece,
[42:56.180 --> 42:59.180]  and then send one delegate to the seminar.
[42:59.180 --> 43:03.180]  That's a great idea. Yeah, absolutely. Don't miss out.
[43:04.180 --> 43:08.180]  And if you don't have five friends, get five new friends that are interested in it.
[43:09.180 --> 43:16.180]  That's a good point. If you don't have five friends who are interested in their lives, you need new friends.
[43:17.180 --> 43:22.180]  New friends. I'm telling you, get new friends. And don't miss this opportunity.
[43:22.180 --> 43:29.180]  There should be 500 people coming to the seminar, minimum.
[43:30.180 --> 43:34.180]  But let's be strategic. The way you do it is if you don't have the money yourself,
[43:35.180 --> 43:41.180]  go get some people that are interested. People can kick in $20, $30, $40, whatever.
[43:42.180 --> 43:45.180]  Send a delegate. That's a great way to get some people interested.
[43:45.180 --> 43:51.180]  Another thing, invite a friend. Just invite a friend to come with you.
[43:52.180 --> 43:55.180]  You know, bring your spouse, if at all possible.
[43:56.180 --> 43:58.180]  My spouse, being the negotiator that she is, she says,
[43:59.180 --> 44:01.180]  Gary, why don't you call them up and see if you can get a deal?
[44:02.180 --> 44:05.180]  I said, baby, you don't understand. It's already a deal.
[44:06.180 --> 44:09.180]  I'd be a mooch if I wanted anything less.
[44:09.180 --> 44:14.180]  Yeah, and actually, we are discounting at what? Did you say there were 600 for married couples?
[44:15.180 --> 44:18.180]  600 for married couples, yeah, with one copy of jurisdictionary.
[44:19.180 --> 44:22.180]  Yeah, and no doubt, you know, no doubt that that's some serious change,
[44:23.180 --> 44:27.180]  but golly, think of the consequences of not having the knowledge.
[44:28.180 --> 44:33.180]  You remember the old adage, knowledge is power? You know, this is a perfect example.
[44:33.180 --> 44:38.180]  I'll give you a real quick thing, and then I want to get off the phone and let other people call in,
[44:39.180 --> 44:45.180]  but this week, I got stopped by a DPS officer, okay, for the allegation of speeding,
[44:46.180 --> 44:48.180]  and I already know all this stuff. I taped him.
[44:49.180 --> 44:53.180]  You know, Eddie said, keep a tape recorder on your visor, your car. I do.
[44:54.180 --> 44:58.180]  I taped the whole thing. The guy was a jerk, and I asked him three questions on tape.
[44:58.180 --> 45:02.180]  I had to ask him five or six questions because he's such a moron,
[45:03.180 --> 45:05.180]  but I asked him five or six questions to get him answer three.
[45:06.180 --> 45:13.180]  Number one, do you believe that it's the speed sign that determines the speed of the road?
[45:14.180 --> 45:15.180]  I finally got him to answer yes.
[45:16.180 --> 45:20.180]  Number one, number two, do you believe I'm driving? Yes.
[45:20.180 --> 45:27.180]  Number three, is it possible that you think I'm somehow in transportation in some commercial activity?
[45:28.180 --> 45:29.180]  He didn't know how to answer that.
[45:30.180 --> 45:34.180]  But I got him on tape, so now when I go to court, it's a done deal,
[45:35.180 --> 45:42.180]  and I can bring those into court now, and they have to listen to those arguments because now they're part of the record.
[45:43.180 --> 45:45.180]  Well, I learned that from listening to your show.
[45:45.180 --> 45:52.180]  Okay, so knowledge. I wasn't afraid of this guy.
[45:53.180 --> 45:59.180]  I felt sorry for him, but he scared me a little bit that somebody with that mentality carries a gun.
[46:00.180 --> 46:02.180]  Yeah, that worries me. Isn't that astounding?
[46:03.180 --> 46:05.180]  Yes, it is. It just absolutely is.
[46:06.180 --> 46:08.180]  But I want to sign off, but I wanted to compliment you guys,
[46:08.180 --> 46:16.180]  encourage the people to figure out some way, more ways than what we interjected tonight to get to the seminar.
[46:17.180 --> 46:19.180]  I'm going to be there. There's no way in the world I'm going to miss it,
[46:20.180 --> 46:23.180]  and I just thank you guys for what you do, and I know you're giving up a whole lot,
[46:24.180 --> 46:29.180]  but I'm really appreciative of it, and I wish I could do more for you.
[46:30.180 --> 46:31.180]  Well, thank you, Gary.
[46:31.180 --> 46:39.180]  There's also one other thing monetary-wise out there that I'd like for you folks to consider over this.
[46:40.180 --> 46:43.180]  Sit down and add up how many automobiles your family owns,
[46:44.180 --> 46:48.180]  how much it costs you to get new licenses for everybody in the household each year,
[46:49.180 --> 46:55.180]  how much it costs you in registration, inspection, and any traffic tickets that are issued during that year,
[46:55.180 --> 47:01.180]  and insurance premiums that are soaring out of sight because you are a cooked goose,
[47:02.180 --> 47:06.180]  as far as they're concerned, who will not resist being forced into a compel contract to pay them,
[47:07.180 --> 47:09.180]  so they don't have to compete to lower your rates.
[47:10.180 --> 47:15.180]  Sit down and add all of that up, and tell me if you think $400 is too expensive.
[47:16.180 --> 47:21.180]  Let me give you kind of an idea. For 30 years, I had my own business,
[47:21.180 --> 47:25.180]  and I didn't want to be like everybody else and work all week and take off on the weekends,
[47:26.180 --> 47:29.180]  so I worked on the weekends and took off all week.
[47:30.180 --> 47:38.180]  I made $1,000 a day on the weekend. To do this, I shut down that business.
[47:39.180 --> 47:45.180]  I still have all the equipment to do that business with, and I am very good at it.
[47:45.180 --> 47:52.180]  I wash trucks. I can wash by myself 40 tractor-trailers a day.
[47:53.180 --> 47:59.180]  It's not hard to get to business, but this is in the end,
[48:00.180 --> 48:07.180]  when I have to look back at my life and ask myself, what did I do with my life?
[48:07.180 --> 48:15.180]  I have to admit I have more motivation than most. I lost a twin brother in Vietnam,
[48:16.180 --> 48:26.180]  and I always have to think of what he will think about how I spent the time I had that he didn't have.
[48:27.180 --> 48:33.180]  I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that lost people in one war or another,
[48:33.180 --> 48:39.180]  fighting for the rights that we have, and when we get done with this life,
[48:40.180 --> 48:48.180]  they're likely to look at us and say, well, what did you do with the dime that I didn't have?
[48:49.180 --> 48:56.180]  Well, right now, I've given up my business, sold off all the property I had.
[48:56.180 --> 49:06.180]  I'm telling you, it would be hard for you to believe the kind of pressure I'm under,
[49:07.180 --> 49:12.180]  but the pressure I'm under is nothing compared to the pressure Deborah's under.
[49:13.180 --> 49:23.180]  We're going to look back on this in later life, and this will be one of the things we can look back on and say,
[49:23.180 --> 49:33.180]  whatever else we may have done in our lives, at this time, we did the right thing for the right reason,
[49:34.180 --> 49:42.180]  no matter what it cost, no matter how many hours a day we had to work, nothing made any difference.
[49:43.180 --> 49:46.180]  We did the right thing because it was the right thing.
[49:46.180 --> 49:53.180]  Yeah, and people consider also that when you attend this seminar, you're going to be doing a lot to support the radio network,
[49:54.180 --> 50:03.180]  a lot, okay, because we really do need the help, and so we're trying to do this as a means to offer our listeners
[50:04.180 --> 50:09.180]  something very valuable to them, while at the same time, they'll be doing a lot to support us as well,
[50:10.180 --> 50:13.180]  so they'll be getting something in return and not just making a donation.
[50:13.180 --> 50:26.180]  And even well beyond that, by getting this knowledge, you will become a force to make dramatic change.
[50:27.180 --> 50:35.180]  It doesn't take 50, 60, 70% of the population to make change. It only takes a few.
[50:35.180 --> 50:43.180]  A judge only has to get a boot in his behind every once in a while to keep him on the right track.
[50:44.180 --> 50:54.180]  There's a judge in Temple, Texas. I suspect he will never forget the guy who stood in front of him
[50:55.180 --> 50:59.180]  and in front of his jury and said to the maitiff, Mr. Maitiff, did you hear that?
[50:59.180 --> 51:07.180]  Yes, Mr. Colton, I did. Arrest that judge. It doesn't take many people to hammer these guys
[51:08.180 --> 51:17.180]  to get them to be more careful and adjust their behavior so that our children, our grandchildren receive justice.
[51:18.180 --> 51:23.180]  Coming to this seminar and learning how to handle tickets is not about you or me.
[51:23.180 --> 51:31.180]  It's about my children. It's about my grandkids. I don't want them to have to be terrified of the police
[51:32.180 --> 51:36.180]  that pull them over to talk to them. I want them to be friends with them.
[51:37.180 --> 51:42.180]  You guys can help us do this. And this seminar will give you the tools to do it with.
[51:43.180 --> 51:46.180]  Is this shameless promotion or what?
[51:47.180 --> 51:48.180]  All right. Thank you, Gary. Do you have anything else for us?
[51:48.180 --> 51:55.180]  Well, I'll tell you what, I do, but I'm going to refrain. I'll hold it for another day in respect to your other callers tonight.
[51:56.180 --> 51:59.180]  Okay. Well, if there's time left before the end of the show, feel free to call back.
[52:00.180 --> 52:02.180]  Thank you. Have a great evening. I'll keep listening.
[52:03.180 --> 52:07.180]  All right. Thanks, Gary. Okay. We are going to go now to George in Texas.
[52:08.180 --> 52:10.180]  George, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[52:11.180 --> 52:11.180]  How are you doing?
[52:12.180 --> 52:12.180]  Good.
[52:12.180 --> 52:17.180]  You know, I got a question. I live off a farm-to-market road. You familiar with them?
[52:18.180 --> 52:18.180]  Yeah.
[52:19.180 --> 52:19.180]  Well, yeah.
[52:20.180 --> 52:26.180]  Well, it says on the farm-to-market road, truck speed, 60 miles during the day, 55 at night.
[52:27.180 --> 52:29.180]  That means if I'm in my private automobile, it's the Autobahn.
[52:29.180 --> 52:45.180]  Actually, I have a friend who's a truck driver, and those different speed limits for trucks and cars have been overturned by the legislature, and they don't mean squat.
[52:46.180 --> 52:50.180]  But it just says truck speed limit. It doesn't say anything about cars.
[52:51.180 --> 52:56.180]  Yeah, they're supposed to take them down because they've been...
[52:56.180 --> 53:02.180]  The court struck them down as, I forget what exactly it was, but they don't mean anything.
[53:03.180 --> 53:11.180]  Yes. Another thing, I remember when I was in Georgia driving a truck, and they tried to...
[53:12.180 --> 53:21.180]  The police city cop tried to give me a citation for driving through a no-through trucks because the place I had to get was on a no-through-trucks road.
[53:21.180 --> 53:25.180]  And I just said, I got Bill Layden, says, I got to go here.
[53:26.180 --> 53:30.180]  And they tried to write you a ticket for taking your tractor trail in a no-through-trucks zone.
[53:31.180 --> 53:36.180]  So did you file malicious prosecution, aggravated perjury, tampering with government documents against them?
[53:37.180 --> 53:44.180]  No. Actually, DOT pulled up behind them, and I just said, hey, my Bill Layden's right here, and I'm going right over there.
[53:44.180 --> 53:51.180]  It was a department store, and I had it back up into the dock, but the only way to get there is go through this no-through-trucks road.
[53:52.180 --> 53:54.180]  Okay. I got a question for you, George.
[53:55.180 --> 53:56.180]  Yeah.
[53:57.180 --> 54:02.180]  Did your judge and attorney wife get back in town?
[54:03.180 --> 54:05.180]  No, not yet.
[54:05.180 --> 54:17.180]  Okay. As soon as they do, I want to schedule them on the show if they're willing to come on. They don't have to give their personal identities, but I would very much like to have them on the show.
[54:18.180 --> 54:33.180]  I would very much like to have our listeners hear where a judge lives and hear a judge that is a real human being and realize that we have judges out there who are real human beings
[54:33.180 --> 54:37.180]  and are afflicted by pressures around them.
[54:38.180 --> 54:54.180]  If we don't consider our judges and prosecutors and police officers as evil, but as ordinary people subjected to unreasonable influences,
[54:54.180 --> 55:07.180]  then it teaches us how to deal with the influences and keeps us from going after the people. I very much want to talk to your judge and ex-prosecutor when they get back in town.
[55:08.180 --> 55:19.180]  Well, another thing, getting back on the truck thing. Most truck drivers know this. If you drive to Atlanta, Georgia, you can't go through 75 with your truck. You've got to go on the outer loop.
[55:19.180 --> 55:27.180]  You can't go on 75 through the city if it's on your bill laden and you have to go that way.
[55:28.180 --> 55:34.180]  Wait a minute. I have been through Atlanta. You do not want to be on that highway.
[55:35.180 --> 55:35.180]  I know.
[55:36.180 --> 55:45.180]  There are a bunch of 80-year-old women who will kill you. They will run you off the road. They will go faster than you dare to drive.
[55:45.180 --> 55:50.180]  Atlanta was the craziest place I ever drove through.
[55:51.180 --> 56:00.180]  Well, I know one of my fellow truck drivers got a ticket for driving his tractor trailer in the HOV lane. That's a big no-no.
[56:01.180 --> 56:06.180]  Did he have someone in the other seat?
[56:07.180 --> 56:08.180]  Nope.
[56:09.180 --> 56:11.180]  You didn't have one of these blow-up dolls they take with you?
[56:12.180 --> 56:13.180]  I don't know.
[56:13.180 --> 56:20.180]  You need a blow-up doll with all the appropriate holes and a bobblehead, and then they will never stop you.
[56:21.180 --> 56:23.180]  Or get a mannequin.
[56:24.180 --> 56:25.180]  The mannequin, okay.
[56:26.180 --> 56:33.180]  The last time I went to Atlanta, I was delivering a piece of equipment.
[56:34.180 --> 56:41.180]  If you get off the interstate in Atlanta, you better have really good brakes.
[56:41.180 --> 56:55.180]  And if you have an address on Peach Street, you are screwed, because every street is named Peach, in one gender or another.
[56:56.180 --> 56:59.180]  Okay, do you have any other comments? We have a few more callers.
[57:00.180 --> 57:05.180]  The only thing I remember about Atlanta is that there is a church and a waffle house in every corner.
[57:06.180 --> 57:07.180]  That's the only thing I remember.
[57:08.180 --> 57:09.180]  Okay.
[57:09.180 --> 57:11.180]  All right, I'll yield to all the callers.
[57:12.180 --> 57:18.180]  Be sure to let me know when this judge gets back in town. I'm very interested in talking to it.
[57:19.180 --> 57:20.180]  I will.
[57:21.180 --> 57:22.180]  Thank you.
[57:22.180 --> 57:23.180]  When I get his number, I'll pass it on to you.
[57:24.180 --> 57:25.180]  Okay?
[57:26.180 --> 57:28.180]  All right, thank you, George.
[57:29.180 --> 57:32.180]  Okay, we're coming up on the top of the hour.
[57:32.180 --> 57:38.180]  We've got Mark in Michigan, Freeman, Minnesota, Rick from Texas, that's all that's on the call board right now.
[57:39.180 --> 57:49.180]  We've got another hour of broadcast, so callers, if you'd like to call in and get in the queue, it's 512-646-1984.
[57:50.180 --> 57:55.180]  So we are going to go to Mark from Michigan when we get back on the other side of the break.
[57:56.180 --> 57:58.180]  In the meantime, callers, call on in.
[57:58.180 --> 58:06.180]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens and Eddie Craig, of course, ruleoflawradio.com.
[58:07.180 --> 58:15.180]  I'll have the info that we stated on the air concerning the seminar posted on the website this weekend.
[58:15.180 --> 58:28.180]  We'll be right back.
[58:45.180 --> 59:10.180]  Thank you.
[59:15.180 --> 59:40.180]  Thank you.
[59:45.180 --> 01:00:09.180]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:00:15.180 --> 01:00:42.180]  Alright, we are back.
[01:00:42.180 --> 01:00:49.180]  The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, we are taking your calls right now.
[01:00:50.180 --> 01:00:52.180]  We've got Mark from Michigan on the line.
[01:00:53.180 --> 01:00:54.180]  We're going to Mark.
[01:00:54.180 --> 01:00:55.180]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:00:55.180 --> 01:00:56.180]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:00:57.180 --> 01:00:59.180]  Hey, guys, just wanted to call in.
[01:00:59.180 --> 01:01:07.180]  I actually called the Attended 21 guys about this, but wanted to run a best use, see what, you know, might spark.
[01:01:07.180 --> 01:01:22.180]  I was in court last week helping out my sister on a loitering ticket, loitering in a place of, oh, gosh, where drugs are sold or stored or something like that.
[01:01:22.180 --> 01:01:23.180]  She had no clue.
[01:01:23.180 --> 01:01:26.180]  She delivered food to this guy at his house.
[01:01:26.180 --> 01:01:39.180]  You know, he goes out to get her cigarettes at the store, cops come into place, and, you know, she finds herself detained for a few hours.
[01:01:39.180 --> 01:01:40.180]  She gets a ticket.
[01:01:40.180 --> 01:01:48.180]  Well, anyway, so she had an arraignment, and I wasn't there for that.
[01:01:48.180 --> 01:01:49.180]  They summoned her for arraignment.
[01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:54.180]  She gets to court, and there's no prosecutor, no judge.
[01:01:54.180 --> 01:02:03.180]  You know, one of the court administrators comes out, hands her a piece of paper, says, hey, come back in a couple of weeks.
[01:02:03.180 --> 01:02:04.180]  Here's your court date.
[01:02:04.180 --> 01:02:07.180]  So that was for a pretrial.
[01:02:07.180 --> 01:02:11.180]  We come back for a pretrial, and let me just back up a little bit.
[01:02:11.180 --> 01:02:13.180]  This is technically a misdemeanor.
[01:02:13.180 --> 01:02:22.180]  So we go for the pretrial, and at this point, I hadn't had a chance to file anything, but I just want to go in there, see what's going on.
[01:02:22.180 --> 01:02:31.180]  Get in there, and, you know, I kind of recommend it to her, listen, you know, you don't really understand this stuff.
[01:02:31.180 --> 01:02:38.180]  Let's see if we can get you House counsel and see if we can strong-arm this guy to do the right thing.
[01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:39.180]  Go up.
[01:02:39.180 --> 01:02:44.180]  We talk to the House counsel, and I'm asking him, you know, okay, well, what have you filed?
[01:02:44.180 --> 01:02:45.180]  Nothing?
[01:02:45.180 --> 01:02:46.180]  Okay.
[01:02:46.180 --> 01:02:50.180]  You know, do you know what the hell you're doing?
[01:02:50.180 --> 01:02:56.180]  And, you know, so by the end of this thing, this guy and I are arguing, and he basically tells me, I don't have to talk to you.
[01:02:56.180 --> 01:02:57.180]  I don't represent you.
[01:02:57.180 --> 01:02:59.180]  I'm not going to talk to you anymore.
[01:02:59.180 --> 01:03:02.180]  So, okay, fine.
[01:03:02.180 --> 01:03:03.180]  We go out of the courtroom.
[01:03:03.180 --> 01:03:04.180]  We wait a little while.
[01:03:04.180 --> 01:03:14.180]  She goes back in and talks to him, and at that point, well, even before that point, I was thinking bar grievances against this guy, but then I really wanted him.
[01:03:14.180 --> 01:03:20.180]  So, you know, we wait a little while, and then we go in.
[01:03:20.180 --> 01:03:24.180]  She called up, and the judge just kind of starts in.
[01:03:24.180 --> 01:03:30.180]  The attorney never says a word, which is kind of funny, not his name for the record or anything.
[01:03:30.180 --> 01:03:36.180]  And they just start going at it, asking her questions about her finances.
[01:03:36.180 --> 01:03:38.180]  There's no prosecutor.
[01:03:38.180 --> 01:03:47.180]  And then the real key thing here is that, you know, the judge asked her, I asked my sister, do you want a jury trial?
[01:03:47.180 --> 01:03:49.180]  She said, absolutely, I do.
[01:03:49.180 --> 01:03:54.180]  And the judge says, well, I'm not sure we're going to waste the court's time with a jury trial.
[01:03:54.180 --> 01:04:00.180]  I'm going to talk to the officers to see whether or not this will warrant a jury trial.
[01:04:00.180 --> 01:04:05.180]  Never heard of that.
[01:04:05.180 --> 01:04:09.180]  Right, well, you know, and I'm standing up there, and I'm trying not to yell.
[01:04:09.180 --> 01:04:13.180]  I'm trying to bite my tongue desperately.
[01:04:13.180 --> 01:04:17.180]  So, you know, they dismiss it.
[01:04:17.180 --> 01:04:26.180]  We go outside, go downstairs, and we file an administrative complaint on House counsel, and go upstairs, and go to the chief judge's office,
[01:04:26.180 --> 01:04:34.180]  and we go to file an administrative complaint against the judge, not different than a judicial tenure complaint here in Michigan.
[01:04:34.180 --> 01:04:37.180]  Just kind of in her office stuff.
[01:04:37.180 --> 01:04:42.180]  So, you know, I filled out the form, and I had two complaints on there.
[01:04:42.180 --> 01:04:48.180]  One, that they had an ex parte hearing or no arraignment at all, yet she was still summoned.
[01:04:48.180 --> 01:04:56.180]  And secondly, that, you know, this whole thing about you don't get a jury trial, let me talk to the officers about it.
[01:04:56.180 --> 01:05:04.180]  Well, we hand it in, and this court administrator comes out, must have been like the court clerk to the chief judge or somebody like that,
[01:05:04.180 --> 01:05:07.180]  and she says, well, you're going to have to rewrite this.
[01:05:07.180 --> 01:05:09.180]  This doesn't make any sense.
[01:05:09.180 --> 01:05:11.180]  So, well, what's your issue with this?
[01:05:11.180 --> 01:05:14.180]  Well, ex parte, what does this mean?
[01:05:14.180 --> 01:05:20.180]  You know, so I explained it to her, said, you know, listen, it means that they held a hearing without her there.
[01:05:20.180 --> 01:05:22.180]  Oh, you mean ex parte without her.
[01:05:22.180 --> 01:05:25.180]  Why didn't you write that down?
[01:05:25.180 --> 01:05:29.180]  So, this is kind of what ex parte means.
[01:05:29.180 --> 01:05:33.180]  She says, well, you should have still put without her.
[01:05:33.180 --> 01:05:36.180]  I said, well, I didn't want to be redundant.
[01:05:36.180 --> 01:05:38.180]  She said, well, how would you be redundant?
[01:05:38.180 --> 01:05:43.180]  And I'm just shaking my head, dying here, because at this point there's no point in even talking to her.
[01:05:43.180 --> 01:05:45.180]  But I did.
[01:05:45.180 --> 01:05:49.180]  I explained to her, listen, not trying to give you a hard time, just hand this to the judge.
[01:05:49.180 --> 01:05:52.180]  We just want this judge to follow the law.
[01:05:52.180 --> 01:05:53.180]  Everybody follows the law.
[01:05:53.180 --> 01:05:54.180]  Everybody's happy.
[01:05:54.180 --> 01:05:57.180]  Everybody gets a fair trial.
[01:05:57.180 --> 01:06:00.180]  So we left.
[01:06:00.180 --> 01:06:05.180]  Next day my sister gets a phone call from the chief judge.
[01:06:05.180 --> 01:06:11.180]  The chief judge asks her about the complaint and says, hey, look, I'm going to handle this.
[01:06:11.180 --> 01:06:13.180]  I'll look into this.
[01:06:13.180 --> 01:06:20.180]  A few hours later she gets a call back mentioning that the judge denied everything
[01:06:20.180 --> 01:06:26.180]  and that, you know, she would make sure that she got a jury trial.
[01:06:26.180 --> 01:06:30.180]  But, you know, that's as far as it was going to go.
[01:06:30.180 --> 01:06:34.180]  So I began working on some paperwork this week.
[01:06:34.180 --> 01:06:40.180]  But I'm just thinking, you know, I got a motion to dismiss for a couple of different things.
[01:06:40.180 --> 01:06:47.180]  We found through Tony Davis' suggestion he was talking about using a forensic analyst
[01:06:47.180 --> 01:06:50.180]  to track down...
[01:06:50.180 --> 01:06:52.180]  That would be Sharla.
[01:06:52.180 --> 01:06:53.180]  Okay.
[01:06:53.180 --> 01:06:54.180]  Okay.
[01:06:54.180 --> 01:06:56.180]  The search warrant, we were cut.
[01:06:56.180 --> 01:07:00.180]  My sister was never shown a search warrant when this happened.
[01:07:00.180 --> 01:07:06.180]  So we kind of think that they went back day to day, came up with one after the fact.
[01:07:06.180 --> 01:07:10.180]  It's not uncommon, especially here.
[01:07:10.180 --> 01:07:18.180]  So I found a motion for an expert witness at the state's expense.
[01:07:18.180 --> 01:07:19.180]  I really like that one.
[01:07:19.180 --> 01:07:21.180]  That was actually in the bench books.
[01:07:21.180 --> 01:07:24.180]  But I'm also looking for...
[01:07:24.180 --> 01:07:28.180]  I want to drop, you know, a few more motions to dismiss on their plate.
[01:07:28.180 --> 01:07:36.180]  Any thoughts there, anything that's striking you guys about this that...
[01:07:36.180 --> 01:07:42.180]  Do you think it would incite significant gross stupidity on the part of the judicial officers in question?
[01:07:42.180 --> 01:07:44.180]  Yeah, yeah, that's pretty bad.
[01:07:44.180 --> 01:07:48.180]  But beyond that...
[01:07:48.180 --> 01:07:52.180]  Randy, any comments?
[01:07:52.180 --> 01:07:58.180]  No, actually I'm sitting here trying to put all these pieces together.
[01:07:58.180 --> 01:08:00.180]  I primarily do due process.
[01:08:00.180 --> 01:08:05.180]  So this only goes to a bleakly due process, Tony.
[01:08:05.180 --> 01:08:15.180]  We handle ourselves in a way that keeps us out of trouble.
[01:08:15.180 --> 01:08:16.180]  Okay.
[01:08:16.180 --> 01:08:19.180]  And by that you mean what?
[01:08:19.180 --> 01:08:21.180]  Well, when we're...
[01:08:21.180 --> 01:08:22.180]  I kind of lost track.
[01:08:22.180 --> 01:08:26.180]  I was looking at something else.
[01:08:26.180 --> 01:08:27.180]  I know.
[01:08:27.180 --> 01:08:29.180]  I caught you sleeping.
[01:08:29.180 --> 01:08:30.180]  Yes.
[01:08:30.180 --> 01:08:34.180]  What a bad test day.
[01:08:34.180 --> 01:08:35.180]  Bring that up.
[01:08:35.180 --> 01:08:37.180]  I wouldn't have done that to you.
[01:08:37.180 --> 01:08:38.180]  Oh, there you go.
[01:08:38.180 --> 01:08:43.180]  Well, you know, I was thinking you had mentioned earlier about a motion to dismiss for due process.
[01:08:43.180 --> 01:08:46.180]  Is that actually the name of the motion?
[01:08:46.180 --> 01:08:47.180]  Yeah.
[01:08:47.180 --> 01:08:48.180]  Or does that go...
[01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:50.180]  Okay.
[01:08:50.180 --> 01:08:52.180]  Yeah, motion to dismiss for due process.
[01:08:52.180 --> 01:08:55.180]  If it's traffic, I have a great one.
[01:08:55.180 --> 01:09:03.180]  And that goes to the traffic seminar because we start out with where the initial thing that the officer does is
[01:09:03.180 --> 01:09:11.180]  he orders you, you know, he forces you to agree to appear on it before a certain date.
[01:09:11.180 --> 01:09:14.180]  And that's criminal.
[01:09:14.180 --> 01:09:20.180]  The statutes are real clear as to what he's supposed to do and he doesn't do it.
[01:09:20.180 --> 01:09:31.180]  So when he doesn't do it, in this particular case where the officers allowed you to cite the citation,
[01:09:31.180 --> 01:09:49.180]  if the officer doesn't follow the 540.006, that is a misconduct of an office and he's subject to removal from office.
[01:09:49.180 --> 01:09:53.180]  And nobody pays attention to that.
[01:09:53.180 --> 01:09:54.180]  Well, I do.
[01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:56.180]  I have the motion just for that purpose.
[01:09:56.180 --> 01:09:58.180]  And we don't ever get to the details.
[01:09:58.180 --> 01:10:01.180]  We don't ever get to the merits.
[01:10:01.180 --> 01:10:11.180]  The officer failed when he issued the citation to perform the duties he was required to perform.
[01:10:11.180 --> 01:10:21.180]  And the legislature went to special trouble to single that out as official misconduct.
[01:10:21.180 --> 01:10:28.180]  So the first thing we do is we want to see what the officer caused you to swear to.
[01:10:28.180 --> 01:10:35.180]  If you require, if you swore to appear before a certain, only before a certain date,
[01:10:35.180 --> 01:10:45.180]  then we issue motion to disqualify the, accusing the arresting officer,
[01:10:45.180 --> 01:10:52.180]  claiming that any evidence he had was secured in violation of law.
[01:10:52.180 --> 01:11:05.180]  And therefore, I think it's 3823 that forbids the court to consider any evidence secured in violation of law.
[01:11:05.180 --> 01:11:08.180]  I mean, that's right at the front.
[01:11:08.180 --> 01:11:15.180]  So we don't care what this guy knows, we don't care what testimony he may have.
[01:11:15.180 --> 01:11:25.180]  Since he violated a very clear directive and directive in the form of a statute directing him to do a certain thing,
[01:11:25.180 --> 01:11:35.180]  he failed to do that certain thing, in the evidence he becomes a criminal trespasser from the beginning.
[01:11:35.180 --> 01:11:50.180]  And in Texas, we don't have the clear statutory law on trespass ab initio, from the beginning.
[01:11:50.180 --> 01:11:53.180]  We do have it in other states.
[01:11:53.180 --> 01:11:57.180]  I haven't got to use that in my documents, so that was a good one.
[01:11:57.180 --> 01:12:01.180]  I'm glad you hammered that one into it.
[01:12:01.180 --> 01:12:04.180]  I did find something interesting in Fourth Amendment, though.
[01:12:04.180 --> 01:12:09.180]  I was looking up the Fourth Amendment statutes and case law on that,
[01:12:09.180 --> 01:12:16.180]  and I found a case called, I think it was Michigan Bee Summers or Summers or something along that line.
[01:12:16.180 --> 01:12:17.180]  That's familiar.
[01:12:17.180 --> 01:12:19.180]  That's a well-documented case.
[01:12:19.180 --> 01:12:22.180]  It's just an awesome case.
[01:12:22.180 --> 01:12:28.180]  It went to who they can search when they're searching a warrant, you know,
[01:12:28.180 --> 01:12:35.180]  and the fact that if somebody else is there and it's not their resident, they can do a pat-down.
[01:12:35.180 --> 01:12:41.180]  But beyond that, you know, that's as far as they can go.
[01:12:41.180 --> 01:12:44.180]  Yeah, the pat-down, it's only for weapons.
[01:12:44.180 --> 01:12:48.180]  And it's very clear in the search warrant.
[01:12:48.180 --> 01:13:03.180]  The person executing the warrant can make no judgment as to what can be seized and what can't be seized.
[01:13:03.180 --> 01:13:08.180]  If it's not absolutely clear in the warrant, it cannot be seized.
[01:13:08.180 --> 01:13:11.180]  That is clear.
[01:13:11.180 --> 01:13:18.180]  The other thing it was clear about was that it had to be for an articulatable reason.
[01:13:18.180 --> 01:13:22.180]  And, you know, anything beyond that, they're not permitted to do.
[01:13:22.180 --> 01:13:31.180]  And they did, and I didn't mention this, but they did empty her purse out, which I thought, okay, well, I hope they tell us that.
[01:13:31.180 --> 01:13:34.180]  I hope they admit to that, and we'll get to that in interrogatories.
[01:13:34.180 --> 01:13:41.180]  But one other question that I have for you, because I've actually run into this before.
[01:13:41.180 --> 01:13:46.180]  A couple weeks back you were talking about going to jury trials.
[01:13:46.180 --> 01:13:57.180]  And I remember when I had gone through my divorce, you know, long story short, ex-fire's attorney, she's stuck running the trial herself.
[01:13:57.180 --> 01:14:01.180]  And my attorney looked over at me and said, you know, she's going to have to testify.
[01:14:01.180 --> 01:14:04.180]  And I got no clue how she's going to do that.
[01:14:04.180 --> 01:14:06.180]  And you've had that experience, Randy.
[01:14:06.180 --> 01:14:17.180]  How did you bring in your testimony under those circumstances without somebody to bounce it off against?
[01:14:17.180 --> 01:14:22.180]  Are you following me?
[01:14:22.180 --> 01:14:26.180]  Randy, are you there?
[01:14:26.180 --> 01:14:28.180]  Is Randy there?
[01:14:28.180 --> 01:14:36.180]  Yeah, I'm sorry. I have this mouse positioned over the mute button, and if I bump my computer, it mutes myself.
[01:14:36.180 --> 01:14:38.180]  I apologize.
[01:14:38.180 --> 01:14:41.180]  I have done this before.
[01:14:41.180 --> 01:14:54.180]  And when a pro se litigant is testifying, it's not necessary for the pro se litigant to ask himself questions.
[01:14:54.180 --> 01:15:00.180]  And the way I got around that is I was on the stand and I asked myself the question.
[01:15:00.180 --> 01:15:05.180]  And then I answered it.
[01:15:05.180 --> 01:15:13.180]  But frankly, I got on the stand so that the prosecutor could cross-examine me.
[01:15:13.180 --> 01:15:14.180]  But then I'm unusual.
[01:15:14.180 --> 01:15:17.180]  You know, this is what I do all the time.
[01:15:17.180 --> 01:15:24.180]  And I was more than ready for the prosecutor when he started after me.
[01:15:24.180 --> 01:15:26.180]  I was ready to kick his behind.
[01:15:26.180 --> 01:15:41.180]  But if you're not, like your wife in this case, generally when a pro se litigant gets on the stand, whoever calls them to the stand will ask them questions.
[01:15:41.180 --> 01:15:49.180]  And when they're done, they won't ask the litigant to ask themselves questions and answer the questions.
[01:15:49.180 --> 01:15:51.180]  That's what I did.
[01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:55.180]  And the judge said, that will not be necessary, Mr. Kelton.
[01:15:55.180 --> 01:15:56.180]  I said, oh, no problem.
[01:15:56.180 --> 01:15:58.180]  I don't mind, Judge.
[01:15:58.180 --> 01:16:01.180]  Mr. Kelton, that will not be necessary.
[01:16:01.180 --> 01:16:08.180]  I was asking myself all kinds of obnoxious questions that I was prepared to answer.
[01:16:08.180 --> 01:16:12.180]  Mr. Kelton, is it true that then that I'd go on and on?
[01:16:12.180 --> 01:16:20.180]  And it was so ludicrous in front of the jury that the judge said, Mr. Kelton, if you have a statement to make, just make your statement.
[01:16:20.180 --> 01:16:23.180]  And that's what they will generally do.
[01:16:23.180 --> 01:16:34.180]  But if your wife is coming in without an attorney, if she's not really up for it, she does not get on the stand.
[01:16:34.180 --> 01:16:39.180]  Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. I'll drop off the line and catch you around later.
[01:16:39.180 --> 01:16:40.180]  Okay. Thanks, Mark.
[01:16:40.180 --> 01:16:41.180]  Thanks.
[01:16:41.180 --> 01:16:47.180]  Okay. We've got other callers on the line, Freeman, Dave, Frank, Doug, Mark from Wisconsin.
[01:16:47.180 --> 01:16:52.180]  We're going to jump to our affiliate Mark in Wisconsin next and then go back to the rest of the calls.
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[01:19:51.180 --> 01:19:58.180]  The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens and of course, Eddie Craig.
[01:19:58.180 --> 01:20:04.180]  For our info marathon here for you on the Rule of Law, RuleOfLawRadio.com.
[01:20:04.180 --> 01:20:08.180]  We are going to jump to our affiliate, Mark in Wisconsin.
[01:20:08.180 --> 01:20:09.180]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[01:20:09.180 --> 01:20:11.180]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:20:11.180 --> 01:20:13.180]  Oh, I was just calling to see how you were, Deborah.
[01:20:13.180 --> 01:20:15.180]  You sound kind of tired.
[01:20:15.180 --> 01:20:16.180]  I'm doing okay.
[01:20:16.180 --> 01:20:20.180]  I've been filling in for people at work.
[01:20:20.180 --> 01:20:23.180]  I've been needing to pick up extra hours.
[01:20:23.180 --> 01:20:28.180]  She is worn smooth out.
[01:20:28.180 --> 01:20:30.180]  Doing the best I can to keep the network on the air
[01:20:30.180 --> 01:20:34.180]  and doing everything else I need to do to keep everything going.
[01:20:34.180 --> 01:20:36.180]  But what's on your mind, Mark?
[01:20:36.180 --> 01:20:41.180]  Oh, I just called to say I have a parking ticket
[01:20:41.180 --> 01:20:46.180]  and you had to go on a website to appeal the ticket.
[01:20:46.180 --> 01:20:48.180]  Plus, you had to pay it first.
[01:20:48.180 --> 01:20:51.180]  So being a RuleOfLaw listener, I just couldn't accept this.
[01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:57.180]  So I did pay the ticket and then I put on their, well, their appeal said that
[01:20:57.180 --> 01:20:59.180]  if you didn't know the rules, you're guilty.
[01:20:59.180 --> 01:21:01.180]  Here's a list of our rules.
[01:21:01.180 --> 01:21:04.180]  So I put on the appeal process.
[01:21:04.180 --> 01:21:09.180]  I said you have harmed me in the amount of $30 and I demand to be made whole.
[01:21:09.180 --> 01:21:14.180]  And I was just about to send a letter off because I know that's not good for an email,
[01:21:14.180 --> 01:21:16.180]  you know what I mean, a tort letter.
[01:21:16.180 --> 01:21:21.180]  And I get the email back and it says it's got pictures of my truck, you know,
[01:21:21.180 --> 01:21:23.180]  breaking the rules or whatever.
[01:21:23.180 --> 01:21:29.180]  And then it says your account has been credited, sir.
[01:21:29.180 --> 01:21:33.180]  So I just wanted to point out that, you know, before I was a RuleOfLaw listener,
[01:21:33.180 --> 01:21:36.180]  I wouldn't have shown my teeth like that.
[01:21:36.180 --> 01:21:39.180]  And I just wanted to thank you for that.
[01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:41.180]  Well, thank you.
[01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:46.180]  Good news, you owe us $30, Bubba.
[01:21:46.180 --> 01:21:50.180]  Oh, that reminds me, I know you guys are hurting right now,
[01:21:50.180 --> 01:21:52.180]  and I've got SurvivorSeeds.com.
[01:21:52.180 --> 01:21:55.180]  If anybody orders through the weekend,
[01:21:55.180 --> 01:21:59.180]  I'll give all the proceeds to RuleOfLaw Radio.
[01:21:59.180 --> 01:22:01.180]  Oh, that's very sweet.
[01:22:01.180 --> 01:22:02.180]  Thanks, Mark.
[01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:08.180]  We need to get you set up as a sponsor on the network so we can promote you regular.
[01:22:08.180 --> 01:22:11.180]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:22:11.180 --> 01:22:17.180]  SurvivorSeeds is one of the things our listeners will be attracted to,
[01:22:17.180 --> 01:22:19.180]  so we need to get you set up.
[01:22:19.180 --> 01:22:22.180]  Yeah, yeah, because it's an extraordinary deal.
[01:22:22.180 --> 01:22:24.180]  There's 8,200 seeds in the kit.
[01:22:24.180 --> 01:22:27.180]  There's 24 different varieties of vegetable.
[01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:33.180]  They're all non-GMO, non-hybrid, and they'll reproduce themselves,
[01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:35.180]  no GMO or anything like that.
[01:22:35.180 --> 01:22:36.180]  That's great.
[01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:41.180]  And we absolutely need to get these out here because, as I understand,
[01:22:41.180 --> 01:22:49.180]  there are efforts underway to outlaw non-genetically engineered seeds.
[01:22:49.180 --> 01:22:50.180]  Yep, that is correct.
[01:22:50.180 --> 01:22:53.180]  They're actually going after the farmers right now.
[01:22:53.180 --> 01:22:56.180]  Monsanto is writing legislation on the state level to outlaw
[01:22:56.180 --> 01:23:00.180]  certain seed collection machinery and things like that.
[01:23:00.180 --> 01:23:02.180]  So they're definitely after our food supply.
[01:23:02.180 --> 01:23:05.180]  I mean, it's a military agenda.
[01:23:05.180 --> 01:23:06.180]  They're going after our water.
[01:23:06.180 --> 01:23:08.180]  They're going after our food.
[01:23:08.180 --> 01:23:13.180]  And they're just about to cut the jobs off with the depression.
[01:23:13.180 --> 01:23:15.180]  So give us a quick spiel.
[01:23:15.180 --> 01:23:17.180]  How much are the seeds and what quantity?
[01:23:17.180 --> 01:23:23.180]  The seeds are $50 and $14 shipping, so $64 total.
[01:23:23.180 --> 01:23:28.180]  Now, $64, most of my competitors charge anywhere from $120
[01:23:28.180 --> 01:23:31.180]  to $150 for something like that.
[01:23:31.180 --> 01:23:33.180]  So it's an extraordinary deal.
[01:23:33.180 --> 01:23:35.180]  All the seeds are from this last season,
[01:23:35.180 --> 01:23:39.180]  ready for this next upcoming growing season.
[01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:45.180]  For those people who aren't aware, Monsanto and these other seed producers,
[01:23:45.180 --> 01:23:51.180]  they're producing these hybrid seeds that are – when you buy the seed,
[01:23:51.180 --> 01:23:55.180]  you agree not to collect your own seed.
[01:23:55.180 --> 01:23:57.180]  Well, actually, the plant won't produce a seed.
[01:23:57.180 --> 01:23:59.180]  It will not produce a germinating seed.
[01:23:59.180 --> 01:24:02.180]  Okay, some will, some won't.
[01:24:02.180 --> 01:24:04.180]  That's not across the board.
[01:24:04.180 --> 01:24:11.180]  But they go out of their way to design the seed so that it is sterile.
[01:24:11.180 --> 01:24:14.180]  But they can't do that with all of them.
[01:24:14.180 --> 01:24:20.180]  And for the ones that can't, you have to agree not to collect your own seeds,
[01:24:20.180 --> 01:24:24.180]  that the seeds are patented by whoever the producer is,
[01:24:24.180 --> 01:24:27.180]  and you can't collect them and reuse them.
[01:24:27.180 --> 01:24:34.180]  Right. The problem they have is the seeds God made, they can't patent.
[01:24:34.180 --> 01:24:39.180]  Right. Well, they are – Brandy, they are trying that in other countries right now.
[01:24:39.180 --> 01:24:43.180]  They're trying to patent natural seeds from India and stuff like that,
[01:24:43.180 --> 01:24:46.180]  and India is telling them to get lost, but they are attempting it.
[01:24:46.180 --> 01:24:51.180]  Yeah, you've got to expect – there's always people trying to attempt all kind of crap.
[01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:57.180]  But it's important that we have a reservoir of natural seeds
[01:24:57.180 --> 01:25:03.180]  before all of these conglomerates screw up everything in the natural environment.
[01:25:03.180 --> 01:25:07.180]  We need some – we're going to have to have some basic stock
[01:25:07.180 --> 01:25:11.180]  to recover from the errors these people are going to make.
[01:25:11.180 --> 01:25:18.180]  Granted, they're going to produce some – they're going to create some products,
[01:25:18.180 --> 01:25:25.180]  some seeds that are able to produce better than the generic seeds.
[01:25:25.180 --> 01:25:29.180]  Right. But they have lots of problems.
[01:25:29.180 --> 01:25:31.180]  Well, they do because most of those seeds,
[01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:35.180]  most of those seeds, Brandy, don't even have 50% of the nutrition as the natural seeds.
[01:25:35.180 --> 01:25:41.180]  Yeah, exactly. We always need the baseline to keep us safe.
[01:25:41.180 --> 01:25:48.180]  And if all else fails and all of this stuff we're hearing about the government
[01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:56.180]  trying to get control of the food, if you have your own seeds that are the way God made them,
[01:25:56.180 --> 01:26:01.180]  they will actually reproduce and produce product.
[01:26:01.180 --> 01:26:06.180]  Yeah, and hopefully agents from the local or federal government won't come
[01:26:06.180 --> 01:26:10.180]  and shut your garden down because that's already been coming down the pike
[01:26:10.180 --> 01:26:16.180]  legislation that you can't grow anything without the federal government's permission.
[01:26:16.180 --> 01:26:20.180]  That legislation is already coming down in place.
[01:26:20.180 --> 01:26:24.180]  Well, we may just have new compost in my garden.
[01:26:24.180 --> 01:26:26.180]  Eddie.
[01:26:26.180 --> 01:26:29.180]  There's only so much they can do.
[01:26:29.180 --> 01:26:32.180]  So we can always – they've been trying to stop pot,
[01:26:32.180 --> 01:26:35.180]  but people are growing pot all over.
[01:26:35.180 --> 01:26:42.180]  How much more likely it is for people to grow vegetables and things that keep them alive?
[01:26:42.180 --> 01:26:44.180]  The government can't control everything.
[01:26:44.180 --> 01:26:48.180]  We are in a police state right now.
[01:26:48.180 --> 01:26:55.180]  With a 99.6% conviction rate and 3% of the world's population,
[01:26:55.180 --> 01:26:59.180]  50% of the world's population of inmates, we're in a police state.
[01:26:59.180 --> 01:27:02.180]  It doesn't get much worse than this.
[01:27:02.180 --> 01:27:06.180]  So if you're worried about getting into a police state, don't worry about it.
[01:27:06.180 --> 01:27:08.180]  We're already there.
[01:27:08.180 --> 01:27:11.180]  It's not going to get a whole lot worse than it is.
[01:27:11.180 --> 01:27:14.180]  We need to do some things to make it better for our children,
[01:27:14.180 --> 01:27:21.180]  and buying seeds that Monsanto doesn't own or PatentOwn is one of the ways to do that.
[01:27:21.180 --> 01:27:22.180]  Right, right.
[01:27:22.180 --> 01:27:25.180]  And this kit actually comes in a foil heat-sealed bag too,
[01:27:25.180 --> 01:27:27.180]  so you can put it in your refrigerator.
[01:27:27.180 --> 01:27:31.180]  It will last 15, 20 years.
[01:27:31.180 --> 01:27:33.180]  Yeah, that's the interesting thing about seeds.
[01:27:33.180 --> 01:27:42.180]  They dug up seeds in China that they knew were buried for at least 2,000 years,
[01:27:42.180 --> 01:27:47.180]  species that were extinct, and they recovered the species.
[01:27:47.180 --> 01:27:48.180]  Right.
[01:27:48.180 --> 01:27:53.180]  They actually found some palm trees in the pyramids too,
[01:27:53.180 --> 01:27:59.180]  so seeds can last a very long time if you know how to take care of them.
[01:27:59.180 --> 01:28:02.180]  All right, well, Mark, listen, I'm going to call you tomorrow
[01:28:02.180 --> 01:28:07.180]  so that we can get a banner up on the website for your seeds and stuff like that.
[01:28:07.180 --> 01:28:09.180]  Okay, that'd be great.
[01:28:09.180 --> 01:28:15.180]  And for people who are interested in micro-broadcasting rule of law radio,
[01:28:15.180 --> 01:28:19.180]  the MidnightWriterShow.com is going to have a whole segment on that
[01:28:19.180 --> 01:28:22.180]  right after your show at midnight.
[01:28:22.180 --> 01:28:26.180]  And what he's going to do, he's going to have a whole bunch of micro-broadcasters on there.
[01:28:26.180 --> 01:28:31.180]  And I know people that make amps better than industry standard too,
[01:28:31.180 --> 01:28:33.180]  if anyone's interested.
[01:28:33.180 --> 01:28:35.180]  We are interested.
[01:28:35.180 --> 01:28:36.180]  Right.
[01:28:36.180 --> 01:28:40.180]  Tune in to MidnightWriterShow.com if you want to learn anything about micro-broadcasting.
[01:28:40.180 --> 01:28:42.180]  It's really not complicated.
[01:28:42.180 --> 01:28:44.180]  I mean, if I can do it, anybody can do it.
[01:28:44.180 --> 01:28:46.180]  Email me on that.
[01:28:46.180 --> 01:28:48.180]  Give me some names and contacts.
[01:28:48.180 --> 01:28:50.180]  I'm working in Dallas right now.
[01:28:50.180 --> 01:28:55.180]  I'm contacting all the people that's been in legal reform forever.
[01:28:55.180 --> 01:29:01.180]  And we're going to start pushing them to take the next step and ramp it up a little bit.
[01:29:01.180 --> 01:29:06.180]  If you can give me information, I'm hoping I can get Dallas Fort Worth covered.
[01:29:06.180 --> 01:29:08.180]  It's really exciting, Randy.
[01:29:08.180 --> 01:29:11.180]  I hear these things are popping up all over the United States.
[01:29:11.180 --> 01:29:15.180]  And it's really our only chance because everyone knows what's wrong,
[01:29:15.180 --> 01:29:17.180]  but they're not sure exactly what.
[01:29:17.180 --> 01:29:21.180]  So we need to get our voices out there and heard.
[01:29:21.180 --> 01:29:22.180]  Absolutely.
[01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:24.180]  And it is the way of things.
[01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:32.180]  The more the pendulum swings off-center to one side, the more resistance there is to it.
[01:29:32.180 --> 01:29:36.180]  And you and I, we are the resistance.
[01:29:36.180 --> 01:29:37.180]  That's right.
[01:29:37.180 --> 01:29:42.180]  And, Randy, I tell people, too, you can't change somebody's mind with a video or one article
[01:29:42.180 --> 01:29:43.180]  or something like that.
[01:29:43.180 --> 01:29:50.180]  If you're broadcasting 24 hours a day, you can pretty much proselytize freedom in your area anyway.
[01:29:50.180 --> 01:29:55.180]  And you can reach, I'm probably reaching 15,000 potential.
[01:29:55.180 --> 01:29:56.180]  You know what I mean?
[01:29:56.180 --> 01:30:01.180]  Yes, and we calculate about 150,000 we're reaching.
[01:30:01.180 --> 01:30:06.180]  And we're trying to get more out all the time.
[01:30:06.180 --> 01:30:07.180]  This is what we live for.
[01:30:07.180 --> 01:30:14.180]  This is our lives, for whatever purpose we were put here, this is the path we're following.
[01:30:14.180 --> 01:30:18.180]  So let's follow it to the best we can.
[01:30:18.180 --> 01:30:20.180]  Yes, and thanks for broadcasting us, Mark.
[01:30:20.180 --> 01:30:21.180]  No problem.
[01:30:21.180 --> 01:30:22.180]  You guys have a good night.
[01:30:22.180 --> 01:30:23.180]  Thank you.
[01:30:23.180 --> 01:30:24.180]  Okay, thank you, Mark.
[01:30:24.180 --> 01:30:25.180]  Bye-bye.
[01:30:25.180 --> 01:30:27.180]  Okay, we've got a half an hour left.
[01:30:27.180 --> 01:30:29.180]  We're not going into overtime mode.
[01:30:29.180 --> 01:30:32.180]  So we've got a few callers left.
[01:30:32.180 --> 01:30:35.180]  We're going to do everything we can to jam all these calls in.
[01:30:35.180 --> 01:30:40.180]  I'm going to go quickly to Frank from Austin because he's called in before and then dropped off the line.
[01:30:40.180 --> 01:30:42.180]  Frank, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:30:42.180 --> 01:30:43.180]  Yeah, hi.
[01:30:43.180 --> 01:30:46.180]  I just wanted to ask a couple questions.
[01:30:46.180 --> 01:30:54.180]  I've been watching some of the films about the town hall meetings with the representatives over healthcare.
[01:30:54.180 --> 01:31:05.180]  And I came across a very strange one where there were people from ACORN there and then just other plain people and police.
[01:31:05.180 --> 01:31:12.180]  And the police were telling people where they could stand on the street and who they were allowed to talk to.
[01:31:12.180 --> 01:31:17.180]  And it just blew my mind.
[01:31:17.180 --> 01:31:24.180]  I could understand the ACORN people didn't want to hear from people who were against the healthcare.
[01:31:24.180 --> 01:31:26.180]  And so, you know, he said, leave them alone.
[01:31:26.180 --> 01:31:28.180]  They don't want to talk to you.
[01:31:28.180 --> 01:31:30.180]  And so the lady said, oh, you know, we can't talk to them.
[01:31:30.180 --> 01:31:31.180]  Okay.
[01:31:31.180 --> 01:31:34.180]  Then she went over and started talking to just somebody who was there.
[01:31:34.180 --> 01:31:42.180]  And the ACORN people pointed at her and him and the cop came over and said, you can't talk to him either.
[01:31:42.180 --> 01:31:51.180]  Even though he was perfectly willing to listen to her, he didn't, you know, they didn't agree, but they were just having a cordial conversation.
[01:31:51.180 --> 01:32:01.180]  And when the lady asked the cops, she said, well, it's not illegal for me to talk to that person.
[01:32:01.180 --> 01:32:05.180]  The cop said, I'm going to ask you to move over here, you know, move over here.
[01:32:05.180 --> 01:32:07.180]  And she said, well, I don't have to.
[01:32:07.180 --> 01:32:09.180]  I mean, this is the sidewalk.
[01:32:09.180 --> 01:32:12.180]  And he said, I'm going to ask you to move over here.
[01:32:12.180 --> 01:32:19.180]  And then another cop said, you know, you need to do what he said because otherwise you're resisting arrest.
[01:32:19.180 --> 01:32:25.180]  You're resisting and interfering and resisting an officer and you could be arrested.
[01:32:25.180 --> 01:32:31.180]  That's when you take out your cell phone and dial 911.
[01:32:31.180 --> 01:32:40.180]  I'm telling you, that is so great to call the police on the police.
[01:32:40.180 --> 01:32:48.180]  Yeah, you call 911, it goes, they've got a, they keep recordings of all that.
[01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:56.180]  You ask them to send the police out to take your criminal complaint against the police that are here.
[01:32:56.180 --> 01:33:03.180]  Now you have two sets of police, one of which was sent to answer your criminal complaint.
[01:33:03.180 --> 01:33:07.180]  It puts them in a really bad position.
[01:33:07.180 --> 01:33:14.180]  And I've actually tried to take that up one step further and I demand to speak to the duty sergeant
[01:33:14.180 --> 01:33:21.180]  and make him personally knowledgeable and liable for the actions of his officer that he is overseeing today.
[01:33:21.180 --> 01:33:23.180]  And yeah, yeah, exactly.
[01:33:23.180 --> 01:33:25.180]  And that's one thing to keep in mind.
[01:33:25.180 --> 01:33:29.180]  Remind the officer, you are responsible for your actions.
[01:33:29.180 --> 01:33:34.180]  I need your supervisor so I can make him responsible.
[01:33:34.180 --> 01:33:40.180]  They're not used to someone who has some idea of what's actually going on.
[01:33:40.180 --> 01:33:44.180]  They're used to people being absolutely compliant.
[01:33:44.180 --> 01:33:49.180]  Yeah, and these people were, you know, basically were kind of pretty much compliant.
[01:33:49.180 --> 01:33:55.180]  But, you know, it just was mind boggling to me that, you know,
[01:33:55.180 --> 01:34:01.180]  and then on the public sidewalk they're now telling people who you can and can't talk to.
[01:34:01.180 --> 01:34:06.180]  And now I can understand that there's a group of people and they don't want to talk to you.
[01:34:06.180 --> 01:34:11.180]  And you're over there and you ask them and they ask you, you know, we don't want to talk to you.
[01:34:11.180 --> 01:34:14.180]  Okay, then you move away.
[01:34:14.180 --> 01:34:18.180]  Well, then she moved over to somebody who did want to talk to her.
[01:34:18.180 --> 01:34:23.180]  And because apparently she was standing someplace where the police officer didn't think she should be,
[01:34:23.180 --> 01:34:31.180]  even though it was a public street, he had them move along too.
[01:34:31.180 --> 01:34:37.180]  Yeah, well, see, the problem is that's not within his authority or his duty to grant
[01:34:37.180 --> 01:34:41.180]  or permit access to a public right-of-way that way.
[01:34:41.180 --> 01:34:42.180]  Mm-hmm.
[01:34:42.180 --> 01:34:47.180]  And that's not interfering with the person's free speech.
[01:34:47.180 --> 01:34:49.180]  Free speech and freedom of association.
[01:34:49.180 --> 01:34:54.180]  That's a direct constitutional violation.
[01:34:54.180 --> 01:34:56.180]  But I just saw that.
[01:34:56.180 --> 01:35:00.180]  I've been looking at all these YouTubes and stuff and was listening to you all and I saw that
[01:35:00.180 --> 01:35:05.180]  and I just had to call in with that to kind of let you know.
[01:35:05.180 --> 01:35:06.180]  All right.
[01:35:06.180 --> 01:35:07.180]  Thank you, Frank.
[01:35:07.180 --> 01:35:08.180]  Things are happening out there.
[01:35:08.180 --> 01:35:09.180]  Thank you, Frank.
[01:35:09.180 --> 01:35:10.180]  All right.
[01:35:10.180 --> 01:35:11.180]  Bye-bye.
[01:35:11.180 --> 01:35:12.180]  Okay, bye.
[01:35:12.180 --> 01:35:16.180]  Okay, we are going to go now to Freeman in Minnesota.
[01:35:16.180 --> 01:35:17.180]  Freeman, thanks for calling in.
[01:35:17.180 --> 01:35:19.180]  What's on your mind?
[01:35:19.180 --> 01:35:20.180]  Hi, guys.
[01:35:20.180 --> 01:35:21.180]  How are you doing tonight?
[01:35:21.180 --> 01:35:23.180]  Good.
[01:35:23.180 --> 01:35:26.180]  Well, really enjoying the soda night.
[01:35:26.180 --> 01:35:31.180]  Someone caught my ear earlier that Randy had talked about which was asking himself questions
[01:35:31.180 --> 01:35:32.180]  and answering them.
[01:35:32.180 --> 01:35:36.180]  Was that in the capacity of direct examination?
[01:35:36.180 --> 01:35:40.180]  You as a witness or what is that?
[01:35:40.180 --> 01:35:41.180]  Oh, wait a minute.
[01:35:41.180 --> 01:35:42.180]  Wait a minute.
[01:35:42.180 --> 01:35:43.180]  Back up.
[01:35:43.180 --> 01:35:46.180]  Give me some reference on index.
[01:35:46.180 --> 01:35:55.180]  Well, you had mentioned being in court and interrogating yourself.
[01:35:55.180 --> 01:35:56.180]  Oh, yeah.
[01:35:56.180 --> 01:35:59.180]  That's when I called myself to the stand.
[01:35:59.180 --> 01:36:01.180]  As a witness?
[01:36:01.180 --> 01:36:04.180]  Yeah, I called myself as a witness.
[01:36:04.180 --> 01:36:08.180]  The prosecutor was being a real jerk.
[01:36:08.180 --> 01:36:13.180]  So the judge said, Mr. Kelton, do you have any further witnesses?
[01:36:13.180 --> 01:36:14.180]  Yes, Your Honor.
[01:36:14.180 --> 01:36:17.180]  I call Randy Kelton.
[01:36:17.180 --> 01:36:24.180]  So I walked up and sat on the stand and I'm sitting there and the judge said,
[01:36:24.180 --> 01:36:25.180]  well, what are we going to do now?
[01:36:25.180 --> 01:36:29.180]  I said, well, I got lots of questions here.
[01:36:29.180 --> 01:36:32.180]  You mind if I ask myself some questions?
[01:36:32.180 --> 01:36:34.180]  And the judge, he was kind of cool.
[01:36:34.180 --> 01:36:36.180]  He kind of figured out what I was doing.
[01:36:36.180 --> 01:36:41.180]  The prosecutor was being a real jerk, but he was actually annoying the judge.
[01:36:41.180 --> 01:36:42.180]  So he let me do it.
[01:36:42.180 --> 01:36:44.180]  I asked myself the question.
[01:36:44.180 --> 01:36:46.180]  Then I answered the question.
[01:36:46.180 --> 01:36:55.180]  And at one point I objected to the judge, the witness is nonresponsive.
[01:36:55.180 --> 01:36:58.180]  And the judge had to hide his grin.
[01:36:58.180 --> 01:37:02.180]  And he directed the witness to answer.
[01:37:02.180 --> 01:37:08.180]  And this went on about 20 minutes, I'm sorry, about five minutes, me asking myself questions
[01:37:08.180 --> 01:37:10.180]  and then answering my questions.
[01:37:10.180 --> 01:37:16.180]  And finally the judge said, okay, okay, Mr. Kelton, we get the point.
[01:37:16.180 --> 01:37:18.180]  Would you just tell us what you want to say?
[01:37:18.180 --> 01:37:28.180]  And that's what generally is the case when you're pro se and you want to testify.
[01:37:28.180 --> 01:37:31.180]  When you want to testify, nobody asks you questions.
[01:37:31.180 --> 01:37:34.180]  You just get up there and make a statement.
[01:37:34.180 --> 01:37:43.180]  But when you make the statement, you have to realize that the prosecutor is going to cross-examine you.
[01:37:43.180 --> 01:37:50.180]  And here's a trick, and it is extremely effective.
[01:37:50.180 --> 01:38:07.180]  When the prosecutor asks you a question, count before you answer, count one, two, three before you answer.
[01:38:07.180 --> 01:38:16.180]  Because what the prosecutor will try to do is reach in with his finger and touch you where you live.
[01:38:16.180 --> 01:38:25.180]  He will try to trigger internal emotional responses from you.
[01:38:25.180 --> 01:38:35.180]  And when a judge or a jury watches you and the prosecutor asks you a question,
[01:38:35.180 --> 01:38:43.180]  and you sit there and they can count one, two, three.
[01:38:43.180 --> 01:38:50.180]  They know full well that you're doing what in psychology they call transdiorational search.
[01:38:50.180 --> 01:38:58.180]  You're going up inside, you're thinking, you're deciding what is the best answer, and then you're answering.
[01:38:58.180 --> 01:39:03.180]  Now this is going to make the prosecutor crazy.
[01:39:03.180 --> 01:39:14.180]  The only way he can control you is if he can get you to react to him from an instinctional reactive response,
[01:39:14.180 --> 01:39:25.180]  rather than a stop, pause and reflect, constructively consider your answer and then initiate an answer.
[01:39:25.180 --> 01:39:30.180]  Humans, as far as I know, are the only creatures on the planet that can do that.
[01:39:30.180 --> 01:39:34.180]  But for the most part, we don't. For the most part, we just do whatever we feel like doing.
[01:39:34.180 --> 01:39:38.180]  Somebody pushes one of our buttons and we dance.
[01:39:38.180 --> 01:39:44.180]  So if you just make it a rule, no matter what he asks you, what's your name?
[01:39:44.180 --> 01:39:51.180]  One, two, three, Randall Kelton.
[01:39:51.180 --> 01:39:52.180]  Where do you live?
[01:39:52.180 --> 01:40:05.180]  It will drive him crazy and it will give the people listening to you the impression that you are being very careful in your answers.
[01:40:05.180 --> 01:40:15.180]  So if you have to call yourself to the stand, then you will give your dissertation.
[01:40:15.180 --> 01:40:22.180]  And when you're finished, the prosecutor is going to have an opportunity to cross-examine you.
[01:40:22.180 --> 01:40:28.180]  And when he does, never open your mouth, no matter how much you want to.
[01:40:28.180 --> 01:40:34.180]  He's going to ask you a question that's going to make you want to land on him like a ton of bricks.
[01:40:34.180 --> 01:40:45.180]  Do not dare do that, because if you answer him immediately, you're like a little spider on a piece of web.
[01:40:45.180 --> 01:40:48.180]  He jerks the string, you dance for him.
[01:40:48.180 --> 01:40:53.180]  He pushes your button, you respond for him.
[01:40:53.180 --> 01:40:59.180]  Count three seconds, everything changes. Does that make sense?
[01:40:59.180 --> 01:41:06.180]  Oh, absolutely. And interestingly, I do tend to pause when I'm asked a question.
[01:41:06.180 --> 01:41:15.180]  Sometimes I pause longer than that, depending on how complicated the question was.
[01:41:15.180 --> 01:41:24.180]  That is good. That is good. Asking the prosecutor to repeat the question is such a good tactic.
[01:41:24.180 --> 01:41:26.180]  Yeah, that's a really good point right there.
[01:41:26.180 --> 01:41:35.180]  And I want to say, I get the feeling that because I do think very carefully before I answer questions,
[01:41:35.180 --> 01:41:42.180]  my answers really tend to make the court very upset.
[01:41:42.180 --> 01:41:49.180]  For example, in March, when I got accused of not having completed a class,
[01:41:49.180 --> 01:41:56.180]  which is court ordered to be completed by October 2009, granted that was still seven months out,
[01:41:56.180 --> 01:41:58.180]  so how could I have not complied?
[01:41:58.180 --> 01:42:00.180]  Oh yeah, I remember you.
[01:42:00.180 --> 01:42:15.180]  Yeah. The judge acknowledged it herself, and she kept trying to tell me that she knew my defense, and she absolutely didn't.
[01:42:15.180 --> 01:42:20.180]  At any rate, she wouldn't tell me on the first date what the charge was,
[01:42:20.180 --> 01:42:28.180]  and had the deputy prevent me from accessing the court clerk when I went to ask to see the file so I could prepare myself.
[01:42:28.180 --> 01:42:34.180]  You filed criminal charges for that against the deputy and the clerk.
[01:42:34.180 --> 01:42:38.180]  What do you think the statute of limitations is?
[01:42:38.180 --> 01:42:45.180]  How long ago was it? It's generally two years.
[01:42:45.180 --> 01:42:47.180]  Yeah, it was March 12th.
[01:42:47.180 --> 01:42:49.180]  This year?
[01:42:49.180 --> 01:42:54.180]  Actually, it was between about March 6th and March 12th of the year, this year.
[01:42:54.180 --> 01:43:05.180]  Oh, no problem. File criminal charges against the clerk and the bailiff, or whoever the security was that interfered with you.
[01:43:05.180 --> 01:43:08.180]  Now, here's the really great thing about it.
[01:43:08.180 --> 01:43:14.180]  I went back the very next day, and I brought my neighbor in tow with a digital recorder that looked like an MP3 player,
[01:43:14.180 --> 01:43:24.180]  and I was able to get the same deputy to do exactly what she did the day before with the addition of alleging to have trespassed me permanently,
[01:43:24.180 --> 01:43:30.180]  and also I got her to stipulate to what she had done the day before, the same thing.
[01:43:30.180 --> 01:43:40.180]  Good. To file criminal charges with her. Okay, use her as a way to beat up the district attorney.
[01:43:40.180 --> 01:43:48.180]  Now, as a matter of fact, you could get her to swear out an affidavit that she was pulled into this by the district attorney
[01:43:48.180 --> 01:43:52.180]  and did what she did at her request and demand.
[01:43:52.180 --> 01:44:02.180]  Here's the problem. Well, the attorney was never, ever present for either of the two dates,
[01:44:02.180 --> 01:44:08.180]  both the first one and the second one, where I went back and they ambushed me and took me to jail.
[01:44:08.180 --> 01:44:14.180]  And I got the transcript. I ordered a certified copy of the transcript, which just came the other day.
[01:44:14.180 --> 01:44:16.180]  The court record has been altered.
[01:44:16.180 --> 01:44:22.180]  They accepted the parts where the judge or omitted the parts where the judge actually tried to tell me
[01:44:22.180 --> 01:44:28.180]  that she knew what my defense was and tried to give me a phony defense and get me to stipulate to it.
[01:44:28.180 --> 01:44:31.180]  They omitted that.
[01:44:31.180 --> 01:44:35.180]  Do you have any witnesses that this record has been altered?
[01:44:35.180 --> 01:44:39.180]  Did you have anybody in court with you at all?
[01:44:39.180 --> 01:44:46.180]  I had somebody in court with me, but to be honest, he's kind of a pushover, wimpy guy,
[01:44:46.180 --> 01:44:51.180]  and I'm not sure, you know, if he's going to be able to.
[01:44:51.180 --> 01:44:58.180]  Don't ever get him close enough to them for them to figure out he's wimpy.
[01:44:58.180 --> 01:45:01.180]  It's enough that they know you have a witness.
[01:45:01.180 --> 01:45:05.180]  File criminal charges against the judge for official oppression.
[01:45:05.180 --> 01:45:09.180]  Move to disqualify the judge.
[01:45:09.180 --> 01:45:10.180]  That's all.
[01:45:10.180 --> 01:45:15.180]  And then go for collusion and conspiracy to commit on her and the district attorney or the prosecutor
[01:45:15.180 --> 01:45:18.180]  for altering the court record and the court clerk.
[01:45:18.180 --> 01:45:23.180]  Now, here's some more very interesting information, which is that I called after the first court date
[01:45:23.180 --> 01:45:29.180]  where the deputy told me I had to leave two days in a row and trespass me the second day, so-called,
[01:45:29.180 --> 01:45:35.180]  I called the judge's chambers to inform the judge via one of her assistants, and I absolutely recorded
[01:45:35.180 --> 01:45:43.180]  all these calls, that I had been prohibited from accessing the court records, the public domain records,
[01:45:43.180 --> 01:45:48.180]  to which I was a party, might I add, and that I was therefore unable to prepare
[01:45:48.180 --> 01:45:57.180]  and that the date must be postponed until such time as I would be allowed, you know, those due process rights.
[01:45:57.180 --> 01:46:00.180]  This is discovery.
[01:46:00.180 --> 01:46:01.180]  Pardon me?
[01:46:01.180 --> 01:46:05.180]  Have you petitioned for discovery?
[01:46:05.180 --> 01:46:10.180]  I was told I could not come in the courthouse or I would be arrested, so I couldn't even-
[01:46:10.180 --> 01:46:13.180]  You don't need to go to the courthouse.
[01:46:13.180 --> 01:46:18.180]  You need to do everything with paperwork.
[01:46:18.180 --> 01:46:23.180]  If these guys are jerking you around to the courthouse, do everything with paperwork.
[01:46:23.180 --> 01:46:32.180]  Okay, I know there's this need humans have to confront their adversary directly.
[01:46:32.180 --> 01:46:33.180]  I didn't want to confront anybody.
[01:46:33.180 --> 01:46:36.180]  I just wanted to file the paperwork in person.
[01:46:36.180 --> 01:46:40.180]  You didn't file the paperwork by mail.
[01:46:40.180 --> 01:46:43.180]  Certified mail, return receipt.
[01:46:43.180 --> 01:46:47.180]  Never go down there if you can avoid it.
[01:46:47.180 --> 01:46:54.180]  Now, here's the next thing is that the judge's assistant called me back and I also recorded that conversation.
[01:46:54.180 --> 01:46:57.180]  The judge's assistant said, oh, yeah, the judge is aware of what's going on.
[01:46:57.180 --> 01:47:02.180]  She said just come into court anyway.
[01:47:02.180 --> 01:47:04.180]  What does that mean?
[01:47:04.180 --> 01:47:05.180]  The judge-
[01:47:05.180 --> 01:47:09.180]  The judge tried to lure him into the court so that they can arrest him is what it sounds like to me.
[01:47:09.180 --> 01:47:14.180]  No, I had a court date to go back, but I was being prohibited from even understanding what the charge was
[01:47:14.180 --> 01:47:21.180]  because I couldn't even see the file because they kicked me out of the courthouse and I was not confrontational.
[01:47:21.180 --> 01:47:23.180]  All of this needs to be handled.
[01:47:23.180 --> 01:47:28.180]  This is the kind of thing that needs to be handled in paperwork.
[01:47:28.180 --> 01:47:33.180]  Actually, you're going to win or lose your case on the paperwork.
[01:47:33.180 --> 01:47:36.180]  So stay away from the court.
[01:47:36.180 --> 01:47:38.180]  Do everything in the paperwork.
[01:47:38.180 --> 01:47:46.180]  Yeah. Besides, you have a recorded conversation from the court clerk that now says that you were told not to appear in court
[01:47:46.180 --> 01:47:48.180]  or you would be arrested.
[01:47:48.180 --> 01:47:54.180]  And even if the judge said come to court, you knew you would be arrested so you couldn't come to court.
[01:47:54.180 --> 01:48:00.180]  Well, here's the thing is that it shows the judge's collusion because the judge sent me the message that she knew
[01:48:00.180 --> 01:48:06.180]  that I was being prohibited from accessing the courthouse and the court file for my case and whatnot.
[01:48:06.180 --> 01:48:12.180]  And that basically she absolutely disregarded it or regarded it as irrelevant by telling me...
[01:48:12.180 --> 01:48:17.180]  Did you file criminal charges against a judge?
[01:48:17.180 --> 01:48:22.180]  I called the county prosecutor and I recorded every message that I left him.
[01:48:22.180 --> 01:48:24.180]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:48:24.180 --> 01:48:25.180]  Screw him.
[01:48:25.180 --> 01:48:35.180]  A complaint is not filed unless it's filed in writing, sworn to before a magistrate, and verified.
[01:48:35.180 --> 01:48:38.180]  Everything else is they're just dancing with you.
[01:48:38.180 --> 01:48:41.180]  Don't talk to them on the phone.
[01:48:41.180 --> 01:48:43.180]  Don't go down there.
[01:48:43.180 --> 01:48:45.180]  Do everything in writing.
[01:48:45.180 --> 01:48:49.180]  How do I swear before a magistrate without going in the courthouse?
[01:48:49.180 --> 01:48:51.180]  It's a verified affidavit.
[01:48:51.180 --> 01:48:53.180]  You can go to a notary and do it.
[01:48:53.180 --> 01:48:55.180]  Yeah.
[01:48:55.180 --> 01:48:57.180]  Never let them see you.
[01:48:57.180 --> 01:48:59.180]  You stay out of their reach.
[01:48:59.180 --> 01:49:00.180]  Yeah.
[01:49:00.180 --> 01:49:02.180]  Now, you said you recorded all of these conversations.
[01:49:02.180 --> 01:49:07.180]  Did you record the initial court case?
[01:49:07.180 --> 01:49:08.180]  No, I didn't.
[01:49:08.180 --> 01:49:09.180]  I have a transcript.
[01:49:09.180 --> 01:49:11.180]  Why?
[01:49:11.180 --> 01:49:13.180]  Yeah, but you got an altered transcript.
[01:49:13.180 --> 01:49:15.180]  How are you going to verify the transcript's altered?
[01:49:15.180 --> 01:49:19.180]  Had you taken that same tape recorder in with you during the trial,
[01:49:19.180 --> 01:49:22.180]  then you would have had proof they altered the transcript.
[01:49:22.180 --> 01:49:25.180]  I wouldn't have proof because I was arrested and they would have destroyed the evidence
[01:49:25.180 --> 01:49:29.180]  or they wouldn't have allowed me access to it and they would have found it on me.
[01:49:29.180 --> 01:49:32.180]  You have your friend in the court, right?
[01:49:32.180 --> 01:49:35.180]  I'm telling you, my friend's a wimp.
[01:49:35.180 --> 01:49:37.180]  They don't know your friend's a wimp.
[01:49:37.180 --> 01:49:39.180]  And they don't know he's recording.
[01:49:39.180 --> 01:49:42.180]  Well, he wouldn't have recorded is what I'm saying.
[01:49:42.180 --> 01:49:44.180]  That's not the point.
[01:49:44.180 --> 01:49:46.180]  They don't know that.
[01:49:46.180 --> 01:49:47.180]  Yeah, I understand.
[01:49:47.180 --> 01:49:52.180]  And that's why you stay away from the court because if they can see you
[01:49:52.180 --> 01:49:59.180]  and they can look in your eyes and hear your voice and lay their hands upon you,
[01:49:59.180 --> 01:50:01.180]  they know how to deal with you.
[01:50:01.180 --> 01:50:07.180]  But if they can never touch you, you know, I've got Cherokee County, Texas after me.
[01:50:07.180 --> 01:50:09.180]  They're not seeing me.
[01:50:09.180 --> 01:50:11.180]  I ain't going down there.
[01:50:11.180 --> 01:50:16.180]  I'm hammering them with Riddahadis Corpus to the federal court,
[01:50:16.180 --> 01:50:19.180]  criminal complaint to the federal grand jury,
[01:50:19.180 --> 01:50:26.180]  criminal complaints to the FBI, Texas Rangers, Sheriff's Department.
[01:50:26.180 --> 01:50:31.180]  I'm going after them everywhere, but they can't see me, they can't talk to me,
[01:50:31.180 --> 01:50:34.180]  they can't reason with me, they can't do anything.
[01:50:34.180 --> 01:50:38.180]  Is the Riddahadis Corpus on your behalf or who is it for?
[01:50:38.180 --> 01:50:40.180]  My behalf.
[01:50:40.180 --> 01:50:43.180]  Is that because they had locked you up or something?
[01:50:43.180 --> 01:50:45.180]  No, they filed criminal charges against me
[01:50:45.180 --> 01:50:51.180]  and I turned myself into a magistrate in a foreign county.
[01:50:51.180 --> 01:50:55.180]  And he released me on bond and they're having a fit about it.
[01:50:55.180 --> 01:50:58.180]  But they don't, they can't talk to me.
[01:50:58.180 --> 01:51:02.180]  They have no idea what I'm going to do to them.
[01:51:02.180 --> 01:51:07.180]  They have no idea what my position is and they can't find out.
[01:51:07.180 --> 01:51:09.180]  They have to imagine what I'm going to do
[01:51:09.180 --> 01:51:15.180]  and they will always imagine something worse than I will actually do.
[01:51:15.180 --> 01:51:18.180]  Now here in Minnesota, I think if I turn myself into another county,
[01:51:18.180 --> 01:51:22.180]  I think they would try to extract me to the county that the charge was in.
[01:51:22.180 --> 01:51:26.180]  So how do you make that work there in Texas?
[01:51:26.180 --> 01:51:28.180]  Okay, I haven't read Minnesota law,
[01:51:28.180 --> 01:51:36.180]  but do you have a right to be dropped before a magistrate in Minnesota?
[01:51:36.180 --> 01:51:38.180]  I don't think so.
[01:51:38.180 --> 01:51:40.180]  Okay, wait, stop right here.
[01:51:40.180 --> 01:51:44.180]  Your liberty is at risk.
[01:51:44.180 --> 01:51:47.180]  When I ask you that question
[01:51:47.180 --> 01:51:51.180]  and you don't have the answer on the tip of your tongue,
[01:51:51.180 --> 01:51:54.180]  that means you haven't done your homework.
[01:51:54.180 --> 01:51:58.180]  Well, I have read the laws about misdemeanors and gross misdemeanors,
[01:51:58.180 --> 01:52:01.180]  which they have here in Minnesota.
[01:52:01.180 --> 01:52:07.180]  What does the law say about bringing a person before a magistrate?
[01:52:07.180 --> 01:52:08.180]  Nothing.
[01:52:08.180 --> 01:52:12.180]  It just says the charges need to be filed by an officer who swears before...
[01:52:12.180 --> 01:52:13.180]  No, no, no.
[01:52:13.180 --> 01:52:15.180]  You're not looking in the right place.
[01:52:15.180 --> 01:52:18.180]  This goes to federal requirement.
[01:52:18.180 --> 01:52:20.180]  A federal requirement?
[01:52:20.180 --> 01:52:26.180]  Yeah, the federal requirement will be reflected in the state statute.
[01:52:26.180 --> 01:52:32.180]  The policemen were not given the key to the jailhouse door.
[01:52:32.180 --> 01:52:39.180]  The police are given the authority to arrest for an on-site offense,
[01:52:39.180 --> 01:52:41.180]  for breach of the peace,
[01:52:41.180 --> 01:52:46.180]  and I'm quoting Texas here and I expect it to be similar in most states,
[01:52:46.180 --> 01:52:48.180]  for breach of the peace,
[01:52:48.180 --> 01:52:54.180]  those few things that are defined as breach of the peace,
[01:52:54.180 --> 01:52:57.180]  and for felony.
[01:52:57.180 --> 01:53:00.180]  They can arrest without a warrant.
[01:53:00.180 --> 01:53:06.180]  And then they must take you directly to the nearest magistrate
[01:53:06.180 --> 01:53:10.180]  and explain themselves.
[01:53:10.180 --> 01:53:15.180]  And then you get the opportunity to tell your side to the magistrate,
[01:53:15.180 --> 01:53:19.180]  and it is the magistrate who decides if you go to jail or not,
[01:53:19.180 --> 01:53:21.180]  not the policeman.
[01:53:21.180 --> 01:53:25.180]  That's what the law requires, and that's federal requirement,
[01:53:25.180 --> 01:53:29.180]  and it will extend to all the states.
[01:53:29.180 --> 01:53:33.180]  Now, I mean, maybe the state hid the law in cipher,
[01:53:33.180 --> 01:53:37.180]  but this state sends the island unto themselves.
[01:53:37.180 --> 01:53:39.180]  For example, it's the only state in the whole country
[01:53:39.180 --> 01:53:42.180]  which if you're accused of an alcohol-related driving charge
[01:53:42.180 --> 01:53:44.180]  and or test refusal,
[01:53:44.180 --> 01:53:46.180]  and you go to court and you beat the charges,
[01:53:46.180 --> 01:53:49.180]  all the charges, totally beat them in court,
[01:53:49.180 --> 01:53:54.180]  the DMV will nevertheless continue to maintain your record
[01:53:54.180 --> 01:53:56.180]  as if you actually got convicted.
[01:53:56.180 --> 01:54:00.180]  Don't do that. Yeah, they do that in Texas, too.
[01:54:00.180 --> 01:54:03.180]  I talked to the Texas DPS, and they don't do that in Texas.
[01:54:03.180 --> 01:54:05.180]  Yeah, they do.
[01:54:05.180 --> 01:54:12.180]  If you refuse to take the test, they'll revoke your license.
[01:54:12.180 --> 01:54:14.180]  I'm not talking about a license revocation.
[01:54:14.180 --> 01:54:18.180]  I'm talking about a tainted criminal record.
[01:54:18.180 --> 01:54:24.180]  The actual civil revocation is counted as a criminal conviction.
[01:54:24.180 --> 01:54:26.180]  Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
[01:54:26.180 --> 01:54:28.180]  Now, you know that's unconstitutional.
[01:54:28.180 --> 01:54:30.180]  Absolutely. That's double jeopardy.
[01:54:30.180 --> 01:54:37.180]  Okay. Well, you know, corrupt officials are going to do anything you let them do.
[01:54:37.180 --> 01:54:39.180]  It's the way they wrote the law here.
[01:54:39.180 --> 01:54:41.180]  They wrote it outside of the Constitution.
[01:54:41.180 --> 01:54:43.180]  No, they didn't. No, they didn't.
[01:54:43.180 --> 01:54:45.180]  I guarantee you they didn't,
[01:54:45.180 --> 01:54:48.180]  but they're hoping that you will perceive it that way.
[01:54:48.180 --> 01:54:53.180]  Well, this has been pursued to the Supreme Court on many, many occasions here in Minnesota.
[01:54:53.180 --> 01:54:56.180]  It's a very, very hot, hot topic.
[01:54:56.180 --> 01:54:59.180]  This goes to personal liberty.
[01:54:59.180 --> 01:55:01.180]  It goes to federal.
[01:55:01.180 --> 01:55:03.180]  Take it to federal.
[01:55:03.180 --> 01:55:11.180]  Okay. Well, if you guys can show me where the Minnesota law does not allow that, then I mean...
[01:55:11.180 --> 01:55:14.180]  This doesn't have anything to do with Minnesota law.
[01:55:14.180 --> 01:55:22.180]  Minnesota law doesn't control whether or not you can challenge Minnesota law in the federal court.
[01:55:22.180 --> 01:55:25.180]  The federal law controls that.
[01:55:25.180 --> 01:55:30.180]  I'm going to look into what the federal appeals have been about, and I'll get back to you on that.
[01:55:30.180 --> 01:55:32.180]  Yes.
[01:55:32.180 --> 01:55:43.180]  I want to say the court transcripts show on both the occasions that I went to court showed that the prosecutor was present.
[01:55:43.180 --> 01:55:51.180]  However, the prosecutor did not introduce herself for the record as she did after I had engaged counsel after I was locked up.
[01:55:51.180 --> 01:55:53.180]  So I'm not saying that that was the right thing to do.
[01:55:53.180 --> 01:55:59.180]  Someone else did it, and that was kind of how that happened.
[01:55:59.180 --> 01:56:02.180]  Wait a minute. I don't understand what you're talking about.
[01:56:02.180 --> 01:56:06.180]  You went into court and the prosecutor didn't identify himself?
[01:56:06.180 --> 01:56:08.180]  The prosecutor wasn't even there.
[01:56:08.180 --> 01:56:10.180]  Right.
[01:56:10.180 --> 01:56:12.180]  The prosecutor was there?
[01:56:12.180 --> 01:56:15.180]  Yeah. The transcript says the prosecutor was there.
[01:56:15.180 --> 01:56:21.180]  If the prosecutor was there, the prosecutor didn't participate whatsoever, didn't say one word on either case.
[01:56:21.180 --> 01:56:23.180]  What was the nature of the hearing?
[01:56:23.180 --> 01:56:28.180]  It was alleged to have violated probation by not completing.
[01:56:28.180 --> 01:56:33.180]  No, no, no. What was the nature of the hearing? Was it a probation revocation?
[01:56:33.180 --> 01:56:35.180]  Yes.
[01:56:35.180 --> 01:56:38.180]  Okay. The prosecutor may not have anything to do with that.
[01:56:38.180 --> 01:56:42.180]  But it says that the prosecutor was there, and the prosecutor didn't say anything.
[01:56:42.180 --> 01:56:44.180]  He did not introduce himself for the record.
[01:56:44.180 --> 01:56:50.180]  Well, he may not need to. This doesn't have anything to do with him.
[01:56:50.180 --> 01:56:53.180]  He's not prosecuting you. You're on probation.
[01:56:53.180 --> 01:57:02.180]  What he's saying, though, Randy, is it's a falsified document on the fact that it says the prosecutor was present when, in fact, the prosecutor was not there at all.
[01:57:02.180 --> 01:57:14.180]  Yeah, but if the prosecutor had no purpose there, it is a distinction without a difference.
[01:57:14.180 --> 01:57:20.180]  It makes no difference if he was there or not, if he had no role in this particular hearing.
[01:57:20.180 --> 01:57:23.180]  Then why did they say he was there on the document?
[01:57:23.180 --> 01:57:31.180]  Well, but the other thing is they can't revoke his probation without some sort of complaint being filed that has to be represented in court.
[01:57:31.180 --> 01:57:38.180]  Yeah, they can. That's the problem with probation. They can do pretty much anything they want to.
[01:57:38.180 --> 01:57:47.180]  It has nothing to do with the prosecutor. It has to do with the judge and your probation officer.
[01:57:47.180 --> 01:58:00.180]  This steps outside Constitution. Once you're on probation, the Constitution goes away by contract.
[01:58:00.180 --> 01:58:09.180]  All right. Well, if there's a contract and there's a document that says that the prosecutor was there and he wasn't, it seems to me that that's a point that can be challenged.
[01:58:09.180 --> 01:58:18.180]  Yeah, but it's irrelevant. If he had no duty there, if he had nothing to do with it, it's a distinction without a difference.
[01:58:18.180 --> 01:58:22.180]  Okay, listen. It sounds like we're losing Randy.
[01:58:22.180 --> 01:58:30.180]  All right, Dave, Doug, Rick, I'm sorry. Call back on Monday and we will take your calls.
[01:58:30.180 --> 01:58:53.180]  This is the rule of law. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig. We'll be back Monday night.
[01:59:00.180 --> 01:59:27.180]  Yeah.
[01:59:27.180 --> 01:59:54.180]  Yeah.
[01:59:57.180 --> 02:00:24.180]  Yeah.