[00:00.000 --> 00:06.100] This news brief brought to you by the International News Net. [00:06.100 --> 00:10.380] Congressional investigators said Wednesday two-thirds of the U.S. health insurance industry [00:10.380 --> 00:16.540] used a faulty database that overcharged patients for seeing doctors outside their insurance [00:16.540 --> 00:22.220] network, costing Americans billions of dollars in inflated medical bills. [00:22.220 --> 00:28.620] As the July release date for Bax's H1N1 flu pandemic vaccine approaches, investigative [00:28.620 --> 00:35.040] journalist Jane Burgermeister has filed criminal charges against the World Health Organization, [00:35.040 --> 00:41.240] the U.N., and several high-ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism [00:41.240 --> 00:44.480] and attempts to commit mass murder. [00:44.480 --> 00:49.800] California's Comptroller John Chang said Wednesday he would have to issue IOUs in a [00:49.800 --> 00:55.320] week if lawmakers can't quickly solve a $24 billion budget deficit. [00:55.320 --> 01:00.380] Chang said next Wednesday we start a fiscal year with a massively unbalanced spending [01:00.380 --> 01:11.320] plan and the cash shortfall not seen since the Great Depression. [01:11.320 --> 01:16.560] John Leibowitz, chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, gave some ammunition Tuesday to [01:16.560 --> 01:22.080] those who want to ban pharmaceutical companies from paying competitors who agree to delay [01:22.080 --> 01:24.720] the introduction of generic drugs. [01:24.720 --> 01:30.160] Leibowitz said an internal study had determined that eliminating such payments would save [01:30.160 --> 01:33.720] consumers $3.5 billion a year. [01:33.720 --> 01:39.080] The so-called exclusion payments, or pay-for-delay payments, are the subject of several bills [01:39.080 --> 01:43.040] in Congress and of litigation throughout the country. [01:43.040 --> 01:49.640] Leibowitz called the payments anti-competitive and said Congress ought to ban them, adding, [01:49.640 --> 01:55.400] �You have a permissive and conflicting legal regime that allows pharmaceutical companies [01:55.400 --> 01:58.880] to make collusive deals on the backs of consumers.� [01:58.880 --> 02:05.480] The Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to consider another version as soon as Thursday. [02:05.480 --> 02:09.680] Leibowitz said the payments have become more common because of rulings in the U.S. Circuit [02:09.680 --> 02:14.240] Courts of Appeals. [02:14.240 --> 02:19.680] Kendall Potter, a retired health insurance executive, confessed Wednesday that insurance [02:19.680 --> 02:25.440] companies deliberately confuse policyholders and attempt to dump sick patients to boost [02:25.440 --> 02:26.680] their profit margins. [02:26.680 --> 02:32.520] Potter, who has more than 20 years of experience working in public relations for insurance [02:32.520 --> 02:38.880] companies Cigna and Humana, told the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, [02:38.880 --> 02:44.400] companies routinely drop seriously ill policyholders so they can meet Wall Street's relentless [02:44.400 --> 02:46.120] profit expectations. [02:46.120 --> 02:52.320] They look carefully to see if a sick policyholder may have omitted a minor illness or a pre-existing [02:52.320 --> 02:57.840] condition when applying for coverage, and then they use that as justification to cancel [02:57.840 --> 02:58.840] the policy. [02:58.840 --> 03:09.560] You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech [03:09.560 --> 03:14.560] talk radio at its best. [03:14.560 --> 03:33.300] That's all for me. [03:33.300 --> 03:48.300] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [03:48.300 --> 03:54.300] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [03:54.300 --> 04:05.300] When you were eight and you had bad dreams You'd go to school and learn the golden rule So why are you acting like a bloody fool? If you get hot then you must get cool [04:05.300 --> 04:16.300] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [04:16.300 --> 04:27.300] You took it on that one, you took it on this one You took it on your mother and you took it on your father You took it on your brother and you took it on your sister You took it on that one and you took it on me [04:27.300 --> 04:31.300] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [04:31.300 --> 04:47.300] Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [05:01.300 --> 05:09.300] Those rogues out there in the rural boondocks. So Randy, give us the update. What's going on? [05:09.300 --> 05:28.300] Yes, I'll kind of go through the routine of how this all came about. A guy named David Baw went to Jacksonville, Texas where Robert Fox lives because he was trying to find a way to overturn a verdict against him for driving without a license. [05:28.300 --> 05:39.300] He was challenging the right to travel each year in Missouri. Got ticketed three times and each time in Missouri they stepped it up one. They stepped it up to a felony in prison. [05:39.300 --> 06:02.300] He got out, he came to Texas to talk to Robert to figure out how to overcome this and was stopped in a parking lot when he was standing outside just getting some air and an officer demanded ID and he was aware of the statute and the requirements and refused to give him ID. [06:02.300 --> 06:24.300] The officer arrested him. Well, he went back to Missouri and this was on April 7th. On May the 8th he filed a civil suit against the city of Jacksonville and the city of Jacksonville police department engaged in a campaign intended to prevent him from adjudicating his case. [06:24.300 --> 06:39.300] They summoned him to Texas on May the 14th for a hearing on a class C misdemeanor. He came from Missouri to this hearing and when he got there they canceled the hearing. [06:39.300 --> 06:49.300] The next day they smashed the door down on Robert's place, came in with guns in their hands and arrested Baw for being in Texas. [06:49.300 --> 07:03.300] After he had came on their summons, he spent over 200 days in jail fighting extradition, claiming that it was all bogus. They finally had to let him out because it was all bogus. [07:03.300 --> 07:21.300] But in the meantime, Robert started filing documents in David's behalf and then they went after Robert. They arrested him three or four times and they would summon him to court and when he come to court they would have a new charge they filed him with. [07:21.300 --> 07:38.300] And he had bailed out and the next time he would come to court they would arrest him again on a new charge and all of them were absolutely bogus. The third time they arrested him he didn't have any money left to bail himself out so he spent over 100 days in jail. [07:38.300 --> 08:00.300] And it was an absolutely ludicrous charge. Then I filed criminal charges in March against all of them. In April they filed criminal charges against me, accusing me of operating a investigating company without a license. [08:00.300 --> 08:20.300] Well, there is no such crime under any law in the state of Texas. And they summoned me to come to Cherokee County and I considered that a real bad idea because there's a good chance if I go to Cherokee County I will leave Cherokee County. [08:20.300 --> 08:36.300] So I didn't go. I went to a magistrate in Roanoke instead and turned myself in and he released me on bail, on constitutional bail. [08:36.300 --> 08:56.300] And now I'm getting rumblings that the Cherokee County is conspiring with Denton County. We have an examining trial set for July the 15th and they plan to arrest me when I come to the JP's office before I can get there. [08:56.300 --> 09:13.300] Wendy, I need to ask you something. What, I don't understand the purpose or the point or even the jurisdiction for that matter of turning yourself into Roanoke County if the warrant for your arrest is in Cherokee County. That doesn't make any sense to me. [09:13.300 --> 09:31.300] Any magistrate in the state of Texas can sit for the purpose of examining into a criminal accusation for any crime, felony or misdemeanor, state or federal, from anywhere in the state of Texas, a magistrate. [09:31.300 --> 09:36.300] When he sits as a magistrate has statewide jurisdiction. [09:36.300 --> 09:50.300] So the last thing I wanted, go ahead. Well, all right, yeah. So obviously you don't want to go to Cherokee County because they're so corrupt. They're just not going to let you out no matter what. They're just going to make up one thing after the other. [09:50.300 --> 10:00.300] Okay, so now say what you were saying right after that about how they plan on arresting you when you go to what hearing now? [10:00.300 --> 10:13.300] I'm going to go to the examining trial. In Roanoke? Yes. They're going to try to intercept me before I get there and arrest me and take me down to Cherokee County where they can do whatever they want. [10:13.300 --> 10:22.300] But wait a minute. You already turned yourself in. You already had an examining trial. I don't understand. Yes, I've been released on bail. So why would they arrest you again? Is this a second warrant? [10:22.300 --> 10:32.300] These guys don't seem to care what the law is. Well, wait a minute. Who is they that are planning on intercepting you? The people in Cherokee County? Yes. [10:32.300 --> 10:42.300] The chief of police of Rusk and Eddie Craig knows him pretty well. He used to work for him when the guy was a sheriff. [10:42.300 --> 11:02.300] And he warns me that this guy is really bad news. Well, so you're saying that the municipal police from Cherokee County plan on going to Roanoke County outside their jurisdiction to arrest you on a warrant for which you've already turned yourself in for and for which you've already had an examining trial? [11:02.300 --> 11:17.300] Well, from what I understand, they're conspiring with the district attorney in Denton County to have Denton County officers arrest me and then transfer me to Cherokee County. [11:17.300 --> 11:24.300] What does Denton County have anything to do with it? You're going to Roanoke County? No, Roanoke is a city in Denton County. [11:24.300 --> 11:42.300] Okay. I thought you said Roanoke County. Okay. All right. So they have a plan and it's kind of amazing because to think that there would be have this much total disregard for law. [11:42.300 --> 11:55.300] They seem to actually think that absolutely nothing can happen to them. What the judge is prepared to do is attach these guys as witnesses. [11:55.300 --> 12:08.300] The chief of police is the one that filed the complaint and the county attorney is the one that issued information filed with the court. [12:08.300 --> 12:22.300] And the county judge is the one that issued the warrant. The problem with that is I had just filed 11 criminal charges against the county attorney and 11 against the county judge. [12:22.300 --> 12:33.300] So they filed these charges that are not charges at all. They accused me of operating an investigating business without a license. And there is no such crime in Texas. [12:33.300 --> 12:39.300] Now, Randy, I thought you already had your examining trial when you went to turn yourself in. [12:39.300 --> 12:47.300] What he did was released me on bail and set a date for an examining trial. [12:47.300 --> 12:53.300] But he's not allowed to even set bail except at an examining trial. That doesn't make any sense. [12:53.300 --> 13:06.300] The examining trial has begun. When I went before him, the examining trial began and he's allowed to postpone the hearing to give time to secure witnesses. [13:06.300 --> 13:14.300] And a magistrate in Texas has no authority to summons. [13:14.300 --> 13:26.300] Now, the justice of the peace, when he sits as a justice of the peace, has the authority to summon someone to his courtroom. But when he sits as a magistrate, he has no such authority. [13:26.300 --> 13:38.300] The authority he has is to attach. And what an attachment is, is where a warrant is issued for the witness's arrest. [13:38.300 --> 13:46.300] They are arrested and forced to give bond as promised to appear at the court. [13:46.300 --> 14:06.300] So the judge will be issuing attachments for the chief of police, the county attorney, county judge, county clerk, and the county judge's court coordinator. [14:06.300 --> 14:15.300] Because they've all acted in concert and collusion with these false charges against me. [14:15.300 --> 14:26.300] So it looks like the fight's on. So I will try to see if I can't set up my own party. [14:26.300 --> 14:39.300] Is there any way that you can get like some kind of an escort by a constable or sheriff's deputy or something to keep them from arresting you on a warrant which has already been in the process of being adjudicated? [14:39.300 --> 14:48.300] Yeah, I'm going to look at that possibility. I'm also going to look at filing criminal charges in the county I live in. [14:48.300 --> 15:04.300] And then petition the court there for restraining order against Cherokee County officials from attempting to make any arrest of me until the criminal accusations are adjudicated against them. [15:04.300 --> 15:10.300] It sounds like the Denton County officials are the ones that are planning on doing it from what you said a few minutes ago. [15:10.300 --> 15:19.300] Yeah, but I can show that Wise County has venue easier than I can show that Denton County has venue. [15:19.300 --> 15:27.300] And this is how venue works. The courts have jurisdiction. [15:27.300 --> 15:50.300] Like a district court has jurisdiction within the limits of its district. And say a Justice of the Peace, he has jurisdiction within the county, but he only has venue within the limits of the precinct in which he has been elected. [15:50.300 --> 16:00.300] So Justice of the Peace 1 has countywide jurisdiction, but only venue in precinct 1. [16:00.300 --> 16:05.300] So he can hear cases that originated in precinct 1. [16:05.300 --> 16:21.300] So in order for me to establish venue, I have to be able to establish that some part of a crime I'm alleging occurred in the jurisdiction that I'm alleging has venue. [16:21.300 --> 16:27.300] I can make the claim that the original complaint was false. [16:27.300 --> 16:41.300] So it forced me to have to go before a judge and post bail that was on a bogus charge so I could claim that you had Denton County. [16:41.300 --> 16:48.300] Okay, yeah, we got a break coming up and we also have CJ from Maple Grove calling in, one of our affiliates. [16:48.300 --> 16:53.300] So I'd like to go to CJ as soon as we get back on the other side and then we'll go back to your story, Randy. [16:53.300 --> 16:58.300] All right, we'll be back. Callers, call in. [17:23.300 --> 17:27.300] Protect against all natural disasters and terror attacks that can happen at any time. [17:27.300 --> 17:31.300] If you are not prepared, the last place you want to be is standing in FEMA lines. [17:31.300 --> 17:33.300] Invest in your future now. [17:33.300 --> 17:38.300] Visit SurvivalGearSource.com or call 877-231-1925. [17:38.300 --> 17:42.300] That's 877-231-1925. [17:42.300 --> 17:44.300] SurvivalGearSource.com. [17:44.300 --> 17:46.300] Prepare for tomorrow now. [17:46.300 --> 17:53.300] When ordering from SurvivalGearSource.com, remember to use promo code RuleOfLawRadio.com. [17:53.300 --> 17:58.300] Again, that special promo code is RuleOfLawRadio.com. [17:58.300 --> 18:17.300] Look what we've got, only us, the Christians, don't know what they're hiding. [18:17.300 --> 18:25.300] Don't have the answers, open our bodies, only us, the Christians. [18:25.300 --> 18:30.300] Look what we've got, only us, the Christians, don't know what they're hiding. [18:30.300 --> 18:35.300] Open our bodies, only us, the Christians, don't know what they're hiding. [18:35.300 --> 18:41.300] Okay, we are back, the RuleOfLaw, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. [18:41.300 --> 18:47.300] All right, it would look like the fight is on, apparently. [18:47.300 --> 18:50.300] All right, we're going to go now to CJ in Maple Grove. [18:50.300 --> 18:52.300] He's one of our affiliates. [18:52.300 --> 18:55.300] CJ, thanks for calling in. [18:55.300 --> 18:56.300] What's on your mind tonight? [18:56.300 --> 19:01.300] Hey, just wanted to say hi to you guys. [19:01.300 --> 19:06.300] Randy, have you filed your UCC-1 yet? [19:06.300 --> 19:08.300] Yes, I have. [19:08.300 --> 19:12.300] Well, you've got some really powerful things that you can do to every one of these people. [19:12.300 --> 19:14.300] Do you know about the negative avertment? [19:14.300 --> 19:16.300] Yes, I do. [19:16.300 --> 19:18.300] One of our callers. [19:18.300 --> 19:22.300] Why don't you do that and then put a maritime lien against these people that have done bad to you? [19:22.300 --> 19:26.300] You seized every one of their funds in 24 hours to take that house away from them. [19:26.300 --> 19:29.300] They can't do that to you. [19:29.300 --> 19:34.300] That's one of the things I want to look at is just I haven't had time to get to it. [19:34.300 --> 19:37.300] I have so many things going on. [19:37.300 --> 19:40.300] I haven't had time to get caught up. [19:40.300 --> 19:45.300] All right, do you want me to hook you up with the people that are leading this force [19:45.300 --> 19:51.300] and have done it successfully and actually the guy that is doing it has seized up a quarter [19:51.300 --> 19:55.300] of Bank of America, two law firms, and seized the city? [19:55.300 --> 19:59.300] He's been to Tim Turner's seminar. [19:59.300 --> 20:03.300] Okay, well, and then you have his connection, right? [20:03.300 --> 20:06.300] Yes, and I filed with Tim's paperwork. [20:06.300 --> 20:07.300] Yes, and then you're good to go. [20:07.300 --> 20:10.300] You can slam these guys. [20:10.300 --> 20:13.300] Well, I want to slam them with everything I can. [20:13.300 --> 20:21.300] And I'm glad you called in on that because I'm so immersed in going to my local DA [20:21.300 --> 20:25.300] and to the FBI that I haven't even had time to look at that. [20:25.300 --> 20:27.300] I haven't even thought of it, frankly. [20:27.300 --> 20:31.300] Well, I did think of it a few days ago, but I just didn't have time to go to it. [20:31.300 --> 20:34.300] And I need to get ahold of Wendy in Tennessee. [20:34.300 --> 20:40.300] I can get you ahold of Denise, too, right down there in Arlington, Texas. [20:40.300 --> 20:44.300] Yes, she's the one that has the site where you can... [20:44.300 --> 20:47.300] That's National Republic Registry. [20:47.300 --> 20:48.300] Yes. [20:48.300 --> 20:52.300] Yeah, and of course, Don Terry and Greg Chapman, who are hosts here, [20:52.300 --> 20:55.300] they can walk you through the whole process, too. [20:55.300 --> 20:57.300] I can even walk you through the process at this point. [20:57.300 --> 21:00.300] I know enough about it that I know how to do it, too. [21:00.300 --> 21:03.300] Yeah, I just went to the seminar this weekend. [21:03.300 --> 21:10.300] So I'm in a...Denise is in the process of doing my UCC-1 [21:10.300 --> 21:12.300] and the rest of my bonds and everything as well. [21:12.300 --> 21:16.300] So yeah, they can't do that to you. [21:16.300 --> 21:21.300] And now that you know that and you've got that power of the true American [21:21.300 --> 21:24.300] that was set up by the Founding Fathers, execute it. [21:24.300 --> 21:29.300] If they're trying to do bad to you, they're causing damages to you. [21:29.300 --> 21:36.300] Well, I sure want to do that because these guys come up as really being boneheads. [21:36.300 --> 21:38.300] Well, you take their house away. [21:38.300 --> 21:40.300] That egg will be so cool to them. [21:40.300 --> 21:42.300] That's what I would like to do. [21:42.300 --> 21:46.300] I'm going to go after their positions. [21:46.300 --> 21:51.300] Yeah, you can not only go after the person that assigned it, [21:51.300 --> 21:53.300] you can go after his sergeant, you can go after the captain, [21:53.300 --> 21:56.300] you can go after the mayor, you can shut down the city. [21:56.300 --> 22:00.300] I mean, you can really do some damage with this maritime law, this maritime lien, [22:00.300 --> 22:05.300] and then just write a negative amendment and put it into Admiral Maritime Law. [22:05.300 --> 22:07.300] They have to do it. [22:07.300 --> 22:10.300] Okay, here is the one place I've had a problem. [22:10.300 --> 22:13.300] And even after I came out of Tim's seminar, [22:13.300 --> 22:17.300] I didn't have the answer that I've been looking for. [22:17.300 --> 22:23.300] How do I get into the maritime jurisdiction? [22:23.300 --> 22:25.300] See, I got the form. [22:25.300 --> 22:31.300] Give me an e-mail, and I'll give you the fun that they have to do it. [22:31.300 --> 22:35.300] What I'm looking at is the law in support. [22:35.300 --> 22:39.300] The way I read maritime jurisdiction, [22:39.300 --> 22:43.300] it goes to the high seas and navigable waterways and the air. [22:43.300 --> 22:45.300] I can't find... [22:45.300 --> 22:46.300] In land. [22:46.300 --> 22:48.300] It is on land, too. [22:48.300 --> 22:50.300] That's what I need to find. [22:50.300 --> 22:55.300] I have the paperwork that says it's on land. [22:55.300 --> 23:00.300] I've got the paperwork that says it's on land, but it doesn't give me the law in support. [23:00.300 --> 23:06.300] Harmon Taylor tried to bring me there, but he brought me there with speculation. [23:06.300 --> 23:13.300] There always seems to be this gap that we have to jump across. [23:13.300 --> 23:18.300] The way Harmon Taylor brought me there is he's saying they're using funny money. [23:18.300 --> 23:25.300] They're using these Federal Reserve dollars, which are essentially notes. [23:25.300 --> 23:29.300] These notes are not allowed to be used in the statutory. [23:29.300 --> 23:30.300] They would be fraud. [23:30.300 --> 23:33.300] The only place they can be used is in the maritime. [23:33.300 --> 23:35.300] Therefore, we're in the maritime. [23:35.300 --> 23:38.300] Therefore was the problem. [23:38.300 --> 23:41.300] I needed something more tangible. [23:41.300 --> 23:47.300] Well, I think that when Greg and Don were explaining it is because it's in the realm of commerce. [23:47.300 --> 23:49.300] And so it's automatic. [23:49.300 --> 23:51.300] See, there again. [23:51.300 --> 23:55.300] That's a legal conclusion. [23:55.300 --> 24:01.300] Well, they're legally concluding themselves out of their own houses because from what I understand, [24:01.300 --> 24:07.300] from what Winnie's doing and Tim Turner and these other people, apparently it's working. [24:07.300 --> 24:19.300] I mean, like I said, the people on the receiving end of the hammer are legally concluding themselves out of their own assets. [24:19.300 --> 24:21.300] Now, wait a minute. [24:21.300 --> 24:29.300] I've had a number of people come to me to try to help them stay out of prison from filing the liens that the Republic of Texas filed. [24:29.300 --> 24:38.300] Those seemed to work for a while until the other side finally had to do some legal research and figure out what was wrong with them [24:38.300 --> 24:42.300] and then come back and land on them like a ton of bricks. [24:42.300 --> 24:44.300] I want to make sure this don't happen. [24:44.300 --> 24:50.300] I need the law that leads me there, and I can't get there with legal conclusion. [24:50.300 --> 24:54.300] I have to get there with law, and that's been my difficulty. [24:54.300 --> 25:00.300] Well, Tim Turner's got a whole team of some pretty powerful attorneys that are doing his paperwork. [25:00.300 --> 25:01.300] You know that. [25:01.300 --> 25:04.300] You can tell by just the way it's written. [25:04.300 --> 25:07.300] So, I mean, I've got his cell phone number. [25:07.300 --> 25:13.300] I mean, I can get a hold of him and ask him to find out if the law backs it up. [25:13.300 --> 25:15.300] Yeah, I've got his number. [25:15.300 --> 25:16.300] I can get a hold of him. [25:16.300 --> 25:18.300] We had him on the show recently. [25:18.300 --> 25:19.300] Yeah. [25:19.300 --> 25:25.300] I was there. That was down in Minneapolis. They did that show. [25:25.300 --> 25:34.300] Just my concern is I haven't had time to sit down and immerse myself in it to put all of these pieces together. [25:34.300 --> 25:42.300] If somebody was going to put me in jail, I think I'd find some time to do it. [25:42.300 --> 25:52.300] Well, I have extremely strong law supporting me. [25:52.300 --> 25:58.300] It's just that these guys don't seem to care what the law is, and now I have to find a way. [25:58.300 --> 26:10.300] If I start putting liens against them, they're just likely to come out here and point guns at me and pick me up and take me down there, and they don't care what the law says. [26:10.300 --> 26:14.300] They're making that abundantly clear. [26:14.300 --> 26:20.300] They just simply do not care, so I have to find a way to give them reason to care. [26:20.300 --> 26:26.300] You put a maritime lien against them, and it seizes everything in 24 hours. [26:26.300 --> 26:28.300] They cannot operate. [26:28.300 --> 26:32.300] You think they're going to continue doing what they're doing as long as it doesn't matter. [26:32.300 --> 26:33.300] That lien's on. [26:33.300 --> 26:37.300] The only person that can lift it, no judge can command you to take it off. [26:37.300 --> 26:40.300] The only person that can lift that. [26:40.300 --> 26:46.300] How long does it take to get the lien put on, to go through all of the notices? [26:46.300 --> 26:49.300] You fill it out and register. [26:49.300 --> 26:50.300] It's done. [26:50.300 --> 26:57.300] In 24 hours, I think you can lock up everything they own, retirement funds, stocks, their house. [26:57.300 --> 27:04.300] Within two months, you can actually be living in the house that they owned. [27:04.300 --> 27:14.300] Even if it was a $500,000 house, and they paid $50,000 off on it, you would still get the house pretty and clear, [27:14.300 --> 27:17.300] and that man would be stuck with the debt. [27:17.300 --> 27:20.300] You really mess a man's life up in 24 hours. [27:20.300 --> 27:26.300] You don't want to do this unless you have to, and it's not something that you want to go out and do vindictively. [27:26.300 --> 27:37.300] But if they're trying to cause damages onto you and trying to put you in jail for standing up for what is right in America, [27:37.300 --> 27:44.300] then as a sovereign, secured party creditor, take advantage and put it on them. [27:44.300 --> 27:46.300] They're going to stop. [27:46.300 --> 27:48.300] They're going to think twice. [27:48.300 --> 27:52.300] If I can do this to them before the 15th, I would very much like to. [27:52.300 --> 27:56.300] You need to call Denise, and she can get that done for you real quick. [27:56.300 --> 27:58.300] She'll expedite it for you. [27:58.300 --> 28:06.300] I told you to call her, because we're working real hand-in-hand with this group. [28:06.300 --> 28:11.300] I met Denise at the Arlington seminar. [28:11.300 --> 28:13.300] I met her there. [28:13.300 --> 28:20.300] Actually, she was wanting to talk to me about some of the things I'm doing, and we never got back to each other. [28:20.300 --> 28:23.300] I may need to get back to her. [28:23.300 --> 28:27.300] We're doing a lot of big things here and working really close with that team. [28:27.300 --> 28:33.300] We're going to have about 5,000 people at the next seminar here in about three months, [28:33.300 --> 28:39.300] because we actually accessed and showed people how they are on the stock market, and you can do this as well. [28:39.300 --> 28:48.300] You go to Fidelity.com, click on Research, and then click on Quote, and then enter your Social Security number in the box. [28:48.300 --> 28:51.300] Do not put dashes, only put space bars. [28:51.300 --> 28:56.300] Replace the dashes with space bars, and then you'll pull up your stock on the New York Stock Exchange, [28:56.300 --> 28:59.300] and you'll see that people are buying, selling, and trading you. [28:59.300 --> 29:09.300] Then you go look up the definition or the law that requires anyone to have stock must be a corporation. [29:09.300 --> 29:14.300] Therefore, the Stroman Act is, once you see it, you can't deny it. [29:14.300 --> 29:16.300] There's nothing there. [29:16.300 --> 29:19.300] You've been bundled up in a big group of people. [29:19.300 --> 29:21.300] They're not going to individually list you out there. [29:21.300 --> 29:26.300] They're going to bundle it like they do house mortgages, and put you in a big bundle. [29:26.300 --> 29:27.300] That's true. [29:27.300 --> 29:32.300] I mean, my stock's up today, thank God. [29:32.300 --> 29:36.300] It was down yesterday. [29:36.300 --> 29:37.300] All right. [29:37.300 --> 29:38.300] Well, listen, we're going to break. [29:38.300 --> 29:39.300] Do you want to hang on the line? [29:39.300 --> 29:42.300] Do you have any more comments, CJ? [29:42.300 --> 29:43.300] Yeah, if you guys, you know. [29:43.300 --> 29:44.300] Okay, sure. [29:44.300 --> 29:46.300] We also have William from Georgia as well. [29:46.300 --> 29:47.300] All right, we'll be right back. [29:47.300 --> 29:51.300] Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984. [29:51.300 --> 29:58.300] This is the rule of law, Ray Kelton and Deborah Stevens. [29:58.300 --> 30:03.300] Gold prices are at historic highs, and with the recent pullback, this is a great time to buy. [30:03.300 --> 30:07.300] With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties, [30:07.300 --> 30:11.300] and instability in rural financial systems, I see gold going up much higher. [30:11.300 --> 30:14.300] Hi, I'm Tim Fry at Roberts & Roberts Brokerage. [30:14.300 --> 30:18.300] Everybody should have some of their assets in investment-grade precious metals. [30:18.300 --> 30:22.300] At Roberts & Roberts Brokerage, you can buy gold, silver, and platinum with confidence [30:22.300 --> 30:27.300] from a brokerage that's specialized in the precious metals market since 1977. [30:27.300 --> 30:31.300] If you are new to precious metals, we will happily provide you with the information you need [30:31.300 --> 30:35.300] to make an informed decision whether or not you choose to purchase from us. [30:35.300 --> 30:39.300] Also, Roberts & Roberts Brokerage values your privacy and will always advise you [30:39.300 --> 30:43.300] in the event that we would be required to report any transaction. [30:43.300 --> 30:48.300] If you have gold, silver, or platinum you'd like to sell, we can convert it for immediate payment. [30:48.300 --> 30:52.300] Call us at 800-874-9760. [30:52.300 --> 30:58.300] We're Roberts & Roberts Brokerage, 800-874-9760. [30:58.300 --> 31:16.300] Okay, we are back. [31:16.300 --> 31:24.300] Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on Rule of Law Radio. [31:24.300 --> 31:30.300] We are speaking with one of our affiliates, CJ in Maple Grove. [31:30.300 --> 31:32.300] So CJ, go ahead. [31:32.300 --> 31:39.300] Yes, I was just saying, you know, that's just one way that you can check to verify that this movement [31:39.300 --> 31:46.300] is the right movement, you know, because, I mean, what is before your eyes you can't deny, you know. [31:46.300 --> 31:52.300] And once you can access it and see it on the stock market, then a lot of people are not okay with that. [31:52.300 --> 31:54.300] You know, it's just not right. [31:54.300 --> 32:01.300] How does – walk me through how the maritime lien works [32:01.300 --> 32:07.300] and where the authority to file the maritime lien comes from. [32:07.300 --> 32:12.300] All right, let me grab my paperwork here, my book. [32:12.300 --> 32:15.300] Go in this other room, the studio is dark. [32:15.300 --> 32:21.300] Your studio is dark? [32:21.300 --> 32:27.300] Okay. [32:27.300 --> 32:33.300] Actually, I'm not in the studio, I'm in a motel in Amarillo. [32:33.300 --> 32:35.300] Okay, man, you got it made. [32:35.300 --> 32:37.300] You can broadcast right out of a motel. [32:37.300 --> 32:39.300] How about that? [32:39.300 --> 32:44.300] What's wrong with that? [32:44.300 --> 32:48.300] Well, Randy, this is all laid out in the 10-turner paperwork that you have. [32:48.300 --> 32:53.300] I've been through it a time or two, but I'll probably have to go through it a few more times [32:53.300 --> 32:56.300] before I can get all the pieces together. [32:56.300 --> 32:59.300] Yeah, it's right in there. [32:59.300 --> 33:00.300] Where do you file it? [33:00.300 --> 33:12.300] You file it with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security [33:12.300 --> 33:16.300] and the U.S. Coast Guard is where you file it. [33:16.300 --> 33:22.300] Filing it with Homeland Security, there's something I liked about that. [33:22.300 --> 33:30.300] Using them to go after public officials, there was just something really satisfying about that. [33:30.300 --> 33:31.300] Yeah. [33:31.300 --> 33:38.300] Use one group of no-good rotten bums to go after another group of no-good rotten bums. [33:38.300 --> 33:44.300] Isn't that right, how we can actually take and instead of using it against them, [33:44.300 --> 33:50.300] we can actually just control them like they were basically controlling us. [33:50.300 --> 33:53.300] I very much like that idea. [33:53.300 --> 33:59.300] It is in the booklet and it has been updated a lot, so I don't know how long ago you went to it, [33:59.300 --> 34:02.300] but we were actually making updates with ours. [34:02.300 --> 34:09.300] So if you don't have the new updates, I can email you the new, I can Skype it to you or somehow, [34:09.300 --> 34:12.300] or Greg Chapman should have it. [34:12.300 --> 34:14.300] Yeah, I've got it too, Randy. [34:14.300 --> 34:18.300] I'll give it to you because Greg and I have been going over this the last couple of days. [34:18.300 --> 34:22.300] Yeah, this is amazing paperwork as well. [34:22.300 --> 34:31.300] And the power in the lien is, I mean, it goes through and says all property including [34:31.300 --> 34:38.300] but not limited to all bank accounts, safety deposit boxes, retirement funds, 801Ks, 401Ks, [34:38.300 --> 34:44.300] real estate, stock bonds, securities, cash on hand, jewelry, house, land, motor vehicles. [34:44.300 --> 34:51.300] You lock up this man's life and when you do that, do you think they're still going to come after you? [34:51.300 --> 34:55.300] Well, I think right now they just want to get me down there and beat the crap out of me. [34:55.300 --> 35:01.300] I do this and they want to get me down there and shoot me. [35:01.300 --> 35:06.300] Why don't you just keep on from them hotels for a while and get out of Texas, you'd be all right. [35:06.300 --> 35:16.300] But I wouldn't stick around until I had this enforced and then I might go somewhere for a minute. [35:16.300 --> 35:26.300] Well, what I do have is some trusts set up that are bulletproof. [35:26.300 --> 35:36.300] And if I act as the benefactor and donate the liens, the proceeds of the liens to the trust [35:36.300 --> 35:44.300] and give the trust standing to adjudicate the liens, then doing away with me won't help them. [35:44.300 --> 35:49.300] Right, because then the liens will still be there and they're doing away with you, [35:49.300 --> 35:56.300] then really messes their life up because you're the only one that can take that off. [35:56.300 --> 36:03.300] And they've even had judges come in, these lawyers in the city, they actually had come in [36:03.300 --> 36:06.300] and begged the judge to take it off. [36:06.300 --> 36:09.300] And the judge said, there's nothing I can do about this. [36:09.300 --> 36:13.300] I cannot order him to take this off. [36:13.300 --> 36:15.300] He'll attach me to it. [36:15.300 --> 36:20.300] And the judge knows that. And the judge doesn't want to be attached to it. [36:20.300 --> 36:22.300] That's what Wendy's been doing. [36:22.300 --> 36:23.300] Exactly. [36:23.300 --> 36:27.300] Everybody who touches the tar baby, she sticks them to it. [36:27.300 --> 36:31.300] She said she went to a hearing and they had canceled it before she got there. [36:31.300 --> 36:35.300] And one of the attorneys came in and told her that it had been canceled, [36:35.300 --> 36:41.300] there was some kind of emergency, and said to Wendy, I'm building a new house, [36:41.300 --> 36:46.300] but because of that lien you have on my property, I can't sell my old one. [36:46.300 --> 36:48.300] You really need to take that lien off. [36:48.300 --> 36:52.300] And she said, life is tough, Bubba. [36:52.300 --> 36:54.300] That's right. [36:54.300 --> 36:56.300] So I know it's working for you. [36:56.300 --> 37:01.300] You need to do it now because you've got to get this paperwork signed and put into effect. [37:01.300 --> 37:05.300] You're already a security party creditor, so you're ready to go. [37:05.300 --> 37:10.300] Another thing, if you haven't done it, you need to get your 21-piece silver bond. [37:10.300 --> 37:15.300] If they carry that on you at all times, then they can't lock you up. [37:15.300 --> 37:16.300] Then I need to get that. [37:16.300 --> 37:19.300] I think I've done all of that. [37:19.300 --> 37:21.300] That one's kind of optional. [37:21.300 --> 37:26.300] A lot of people don't know about too much about the 21-piece silver bond, [37:26.300 --> 37:29.300] but that's very important. [37:29.300 --> 37:33.300] So if you don't have that, that's like you can get out of jail with that. [37:33.300 --> 37:37.300] It's like you get out of jail if you can't hold it. [37:37.300 --> 37:41.300] Okay, the problem is I already have to get out of jail card. [37:41.300 --> 37:42.300] I know. [37:42.300 --> 37:46.300] That's why I would be pulling the trigger on these guys with the maritime lien [37:46.300 --> 37:50.300] and put in a negative avertment against it, you know? [37:50.300 --> 37:58.300] Well, if anybody is right for it, these guys are because what they're doing is so outrageous. [37:58.300 --> 38:02.300] I mean, that's tyranny, right? [38:02.300 --> 38:06.300] That's about as bad a tyranny as it could get. [38:06.300 --> 38:13.300] What I will be charging them with is I will charge Joe Evans, the chief of police in Rusk, [38:13.300 --> 38:21.300] of tampering with a government document, claiming that on a petition for, [38:21.300 --> 38:27.300] on a statement of probable cause and criminal complaint. [38:27.300 --> 38:34.300] He put a statement on the document he knew to be untrue and intended that it be taken as true, [38:34.300 --> 38:41.300] and that's called Tampering with a Government Document in Texas, and it's a felony, 37.10 penal code. [38:41.300 --> 38:49.300] And then he took that document and presented it to the county attorney under oath. [38:49.300 --> 38:52.300] You can attach all these people to that. [38:52.300 --> 38:58.300] He presented it under oath, so he swore to a material fact he knew to be untrue, [38:58.300 --> 39:05.300] violation of 37.02 penal code, which is also a felony in Texas. [39:05.300 --> 39:12.300] And he did this in order to obstruct justice by keep, [39:12.300 --> 39:22.300] by intimidating a witness to keep the witness from testifying against the county attorney. [39:22.300 --> 39:32.300] Obstruction of justice, 3606 penal code, interfering with a witness, 3605 penal code, both felonies. [39:32.300 --> 39:34.300] And he conspired. [39:34.300 --> 39:37.300] That's a big uphill battle, though, you know. [39:37.300 --> 39:44.300] That seems like a really big uphill and expensive battle whenever you could just crush them, [39:44.300 --> 39:52.300] if I could crush them and make it, give them an extra battle to have to fight. [39:52.300 --> 39:55.300] These look so ugly. [39:55.300 --> 40:05.300] And the pattern of behavior on part of these officials in Cherokee County, [40:05.300 --> 40:09.300] they started with a class C misdemeanor. [40:09.300 --> 40:16.300] They get a suit, they obstruct justice, interfere with a witness, and conspire to do it. [40:16.300 --> 40:20.300] And they do the same thing over and over and over and over. [40:20.300 --> 40:22.300] So now I have a pattern. [40:22.300 --> 40:25.300] And these are guys podunk. [40:25.300 --> 40:28.300] This is podunk Texas. [40:28.300 --> 40:36.300] So when I go to the U.S. attorney, I mean to the attorney general in Washington, D.C., [40:36.300 --> 40:42.300] the attorney general in Washington, D.C., is not going to feel like he owes these people anything. [40:42.300 --> 40:49.300] And the fact that I'm a journalist goes directly to First Amendment. [40:49.300 --> 40:51.300] So we'll wind up making this political. [40:51.300 --> 40:58.300] And if I could get the attorney general in D.C. to move on it, their whole house of cards could fall apart. [40:58.300 --> 41:00.300] And that's what appears to be happening. [41:00.300 --> 41:02.300] They're getting desperate. [41:02.300 --> 41:08.300] Because they started out with a guy over a class C misdemeanor, and they tried to jerk him around. [41:08.300 --> 41:11.300] And he didn't lay down and roll over for them. [41:11.300 --> 41:16.300] And they didn't know how to act when he didn't say, oh, please, don't be mean to me anymore. [41:16.300 --> 41:17.300] He kept fighting them. [41:17.300 --> 41:22.300] Actually, he came down from Missouri to fight a class C misdemeanor. [41:22.300 --> 41:24.300] They couldn't believe he did that. [41:24.300 --> 41:26.300] So when he showed up, they had to do something. [41:26.300 --> 41:31.300] So they arrested him, hold him for 200 days, and he never did back up on them. [41:31.300 --> 41:34.300] They did the same thing to Robert Fox. [41:34.300 --> 41:37.300] And Robert Fox never backed up on them. [41:37.300 --> 41:41.300] Nothing they could do to him would get him to cry uncle. [41:41.300 --> 41:48.300] And the more they do, the uglier it gets, the more it builds up, and the more at risk they are. [41:48.300 --> 41:55.300] I think by coming after me, I think it was an act of desperation. [41:55.300 --> 42:01.300] And now that's not the case. [42:01.300 --> 42:02.300] I hope they didn't. [42:02.300 --> 42:04.300] They had to do some damages to him, you know. [42:04.300 --> 42:05.300] And here's what I would do. [42:05.300 --> 42:08.300] I would do exactly that, too, getting two battles to fight. [42:08.300 --> 42:10.300] But I would still do that. [42:10.300 --> 42:19.300] I very much like that, splitting their attention, giving them more to deal with. [42:19.300 --> 42:23.300] Yeah, I would attach everybody that attached it, and then I would attach the mayor. [42:23.300 --> 42:28.300] As soon as you attach the mayor, the mayor is going to get ticked that his property is seized up, right? [42:28.300 --> 42:31.300] I can't get to the mayor. [42:31.300 --> 42:41.300] And the reason I can't is when these allegations were made, this Joe Evans wasn't the chief of police of Rusk, Texas. [42:41.300 --> 42:46.300] He was an investigator for the district attorney. [42:46.300 --> 42:55.300] He has since left, after he made the allegations, he left the district attorney's office and went to the city of Rusk. [42:55.300 --> 43:10.300] Now, if they subsequently do anything to me, now that he's the chief of police of Rusk, then I could go for the city of Rusk. [43:10.300 --> 43:14.300] But right now I don't have the mayor. [43:14.300 --> 43:19.300] Well, Courtney, Kim, you can attach the mayor, and the mayor is going to get ticked and fire every one of them, too. [43:19.300 --> 43:24.300] So not only is everything going to be seized up, but then their jobs are going to get lost. [43:24.300 --> 43:31.300] Two of them are elected officials, and I'm preparing a petition for court of inquiry to file in Austin. [43:31.300 --> 43:34.300] That's a good one. [43:34.300 --> 43:39.300] That's a good one. [43:39.300 --> 43:42.300] All right, well, listen, we're going to break, C.J. [43:42.300 --> 43:44.300] All right, I thought, guys, you guys enjoy. [43:44.300 --> 43:45.300] All right, thank you. [43:45.300 --> 43:47.300] You know how to get a hold of me. 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[45:36.300 --> 45:37.300] Thanks for calling into our network. [45:37.300 --> 45:39.300] What's on your mind tonight? [45:39.300 --> 45:41.300] Thank you, thank you, and thanks for the opportunity here. [45:41.300 --> 45:44.300] And like I said before, speaking to the wrong person, [45:44.300 --> 45:49.300] I've been listening to Randy and Deborah for the last probably two and a half weeks, [45:49.300 --> 45:51.300] and I've enjoyed a lot of the information. [45:51.300 --> 45:57.300] I have an abundance of audios of listening to you guys that I probably consume my whole day. [45:57.300 --> 46:02.300] My wife is wondering what I'm doing, but I am studying law. [46:02.300 --> 46:06.300] So I told her that if you don't believe me, I'm up half the night and half the day. [46:06.300 --> 46:08.300] At any rate, I appreciate you guys' information. [46:08.300 --> 46:13.300] It's been out of the few that I've listened to, you guys are the most informative, [46:13.300 --> 46:20.300] and Randy thinks to have the best knowledge of how to operate in this system. [46:20.300 --> 46:26.300] My question is I had a personal case that I dealt with in South Carolina where I was building a home [46:26.300 --> 46:29.300] and I had some contracts that did some bad work. [46:29.300 --> 46:30.300] I put them out of my property. [46:30.300 --> 46:35.300] They came back, and they threatened me inside of my home. [46:35.300 --> 46:41.300] And I told them that, you know, I'm in the country. [46:41.300 --> 46:44.300] I carry a gun around in my car all the time. [46:44.300 --> 46:46.300] It's my right, and I do it all the time. [46:46.300 --> 46:47.300] They don't always have it when I'm in the house. [46:47.300 --> 46:50.300] Well, they came in and threatened me, and I told them to leave. [46:50.300 --> 46:51.300] Well, I'm not going to be responsible for it. [46:51.300 --> 46:52.300] I mean, six of them. [46:52.300 --> 46:53.300] So they were really angry. [46:53.300 --> 46:55.300] They wasn't getting paid for the bad work. [46:55.300 --> 46:58.300] And they were cussing and then threatening to do this and do that. [46:58.300 --> 46:59.300] I had them leave. [46:59.300 --> 47:00.300] And they laughed. [47:00.300 --> 47:04.300] I didn't hear anything from them for about a month until the police department comes up [47:04.300 --> 47:07.300] and said they had a warrant for me for pointing a firearm, [47:07.300 --> 47:11.300] pointing and presenting a firearm at these two contractors, which was a joke. [47:11.300 --> 47:13.300] It was a month later. [47:13.300 --> 47:18.300] So I got charged with two criminal offenses, pointing and presenting a firearm inside of my own house, [47:18.300 --> 47:24.300] mind you, with two guys that were trespassing at that point because I had asked them to leave hours before. [47:24.300 --> 47:27.300] So in learning from your show how these attorneys do, [47:27.300 --> 47:33.300] and I've had firsthand experience with how these attorneys try to bind me to this statutory court system [47:33.300 --> 47:37.300] and the games that they play, I have not been arraigned yet, [47:37.300 --> 47:41.300] but I want to fire this attorney because he's really done nothing yet. [47:41.300 --> 47:44.300] Wait, wait, don't fire him yet. [47:44.300 --> 47:45.300] Don't fire him yet. [47:45.300 --> 47:50.300] No, you're going to like this. [47:50.300 --> 47:51.300] But go ahead. [47:51.300 --> 47:53.300] We'll get to him in a minute. [47:53.300 --> 47:54.300] Okay. [47:54.300 --> 47:59.300] So I wanted to know, Randy, I need to file some things because I haven't been arraigned. [47:59.300 --> 48:01.300] They did an indictment. [48:01.300 --> 48:04.300] They did a direct indictment, which is what they do in South Carolina, [48:04.300 --> 48:06.300] where they don't have to give you a preliminary hearing. [48:06.300 --> 48:10.300] They can just go straight to the grand jury when they think they got something. [48:10.300 --> 48:14.300] And they did a direct indictment, and I haven't had an arraignment yet. [48:14.300 --> 48:15.300] So that's where I stand. [48:15.300 --> 48:19.300] I wanted to file some motions to dismiss and all this other stuff, [48:19.300 --> 48:23.300] and I wasn't going to do anything until I got in touch with Randy. [48:23.300 --> 48:27.300] A lot of people have told me what to do, but Randy, you're the most knowledgeable, [48:27.300 --> 48:30.300] and I'm not going to do anything until you tell me. [48:30.300 --> 48:31.300] Okay. [48:31.300 --> 48:33.300] Well, I'm on this dime. [48:33.300 --> 48:39.300] Now, have you seen the complaint against you? [48:39.300 --> 48:42.300] It's a sworn complaint not by the contractor. [48:42.300 --> 48:44.300] It's by the police officer. [48:44.300 --> 48:46.300] That's the complaint they attached to the warrant. [48:46.300 --> 48:47.300] Okay. [48:47.300 --> 48:53.300] A complaint can do that, but there has to be testimony before a grand jury. [48:53.300 --> 48:56.300] Okay, they have indicted you? [48:56.300 --> 48:58.300] Yes. [48:58.300 --> 49:04.300] You can demand a transcript of the testimony before the grand jury. [49:04.300 --> 49:06.300] Here's the deal. [49:06.300 --> 49:11.300] You can be charged based on hearsay information. [49:11.300 --> 49:16.300] A police officer who investigates an allegation can go to the court and say, [49:16.300 --> 49:22.300] I have reason to believe, and I do believe, based on these facts. [49:22.300 --> 49:24.300] And I talked to this guy over here and this guy over here, [49:24.300 --> 49:30.300] and they told me these things, and I believe what they told me. [49:30.300 --> 49:34.300] So therefore, I have reason to believe this person committed a crime. [49:34.300 --> 49:39.300] Now, that's sufficient to file a criminal complaint, [49:39.300 --> 49:44.300] but that is not sufficient to find probable cause. [49:44.300 --> 49:48.300] The complaint gives the judge or the magistrate [49:48.300 --> 49:53.300] or even the grand jury subject matter jurisdiction. [49:53.300 --> 49:56.300] Now, they can hold an examining trial, [49:56.300 --> 50:01.300] and essentially that's what a grand jury hearing is, is an examining trial. [50:01.300 --> 50:05.300] At the examining trial, the rules of evidence apply. [50:05.300 --> 50:12.300] No one can go to the examining trial and testify to hearsay. [50:12.300 --> 50:17.300] At the examining trial, there must be competent fact witness evidence. [50:17.300 --> 50:24.300] So they would have to call these contractors in and have them testify. [50:24.300 --> 50:31.300] And if the contractors testify that they were inside your house, [50:31.300 --> 50:39.300] attempting to collect on funds they claim that you owed them, [50:39.300 --> 50:44.300] that would give a reasonable person of ordinary prudence cause to believe [50:44.300 --> 50:48.300] that they were not there on a pleasure visit, [50:48.300 --> 50:55.300] that the interaction was an act in controversy. [50:55.300 --> 51:01.300] And if I tell you that this guy came into my house, [51:01.300 --> 51:06.300] and I went to this guy's house because he wouldn't pay me my money, [51:06.300 --> 51:08.300] and I was in his house trying to get him to pay me my money, [51:08.300 --> 51:11.300] and he pulled a gun on me, well, I'm going to say, [51:11.300 --> 51:18.300] Bubba, don't do that in his house. Get out of there. [51:18.300 --> 51:24.300] It would give me reason to believe that the guy had cause to pull the gun in the house. [51:24.300 --> 51:30.300] So you want to see what they testified to, [51:30.300 --> 51:35.300] because I suspect in order to make the allegation, [51:35.300 --> 51:43.300] they had to stipulate to facts that will convict them. [51:43.300 --> 51:47.300] So the first thing you want to see is a transcript. [51:47.300 --> 51:51.300] You want a list of all witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. [51:51.300 --> 51:58.300] If no one who was there chose to have testified before the grand jury, [51:58.300 --> 52:07.300] you move to quash the indictment for no competent fact witness evidence. [52:07.300 --> 52:10.300] You want a transcript of the proceedings. [52:10.300 --> 52:17.300] Since you are the interested party, the proceedings before grand jury are secret, [52:17.300 --> 52:22.300] but not the testimony of a witness against you. [52:22.300 --> 52:24.300] You have a special right to see that. [52:24.300 --> 52:28.300] First, you want to see who testified before it. [52:28.300 --> 52:33.300] If only the officer went, absolutely insufficient on its face. [52:33.300 --> 52:45.300] And then you need to go down immediately and prepare criminal charges against the contractors [52:45.300 --> 52:49.300] for not leaving your house when they were ordered to [52:49.300 --> 52:55.300] and being aggressive enough in your house that you were forced to pull a weapon on them. [52:55.300 --> 53:05.300] And maintain that the criminal complaints filed against you are false in that [53:05.300 --> 53:17.300] the statement that you committed assault against them is aggravated perjury on its face. [53:17.300 --> 53:24.300] If you're inside another person's house for an adversarial purpose, [53:24.300 --> 53:29.300] it presupposes that you're not welcome. [53:29.300 --> 53:36.300] So the presumption is going to be against the person who's inside a house [53:36.300 --> 53:39.300] that doesn't belong to him to start with. [53:39.300 --> 53:45.300] And then if he's inside the house for an adversarial purpose, he has a big hump to overcome. [53:45.300 --> 53:50.300] File against them, charge them with perjury, charge them with malicious prosecution. [53:50.300 --> 53:54.300] In Texas, malicious prosecution is actually a cause of action. [53:54.300 --> 54:01.300] So now you also need to file a, depending on how you want to do it, [54:01.300 --> 54:04.300] I would look at filing a countersuit in the criminal, [54:04.300 --> 54:09.300] but filing a countersuit in the criminal is something that's so unusual [54:09.300 --> 54:15.300] that the courts tend not to realize you can do it. [54:15.300 --> 54:19.300] And that's extra argument that you have to have. [54:19.300 --> 54:25.300] What I would suggest is go file an action against them in the justice court, [54:25.300 --> 54:36.300] in the lowest court you can, and prepare discovery in the civil action. [54:36.300 --> 54:42.300] Like here in Texas, it costs about 30 or 60 bucks to file in a JP court. [54:42.300 --> 54:45.300] And then you file discovery. [54:45.300 --> 54:52.300] Here we have Rule 201, you can file for discovery for the purpose prior to a suit, actually. [54:52.300 --> 54:57.300] You could file an action to get discovery to preserve evidence. [54:57.300 --> 54:59.300] But in this case, you have a cause of action. [54:59.300 --> 55:08.300] So claim an amount that the JP court can handle and file suit in the JP court [55:08.300 --> 55:13.300] and send the opposite side discovery. [55:13.300 --> 55:20.300] You can't get evidence in discovery that you can't get in criminal. [55:20.300 --> 55:24.300] Because if you accuse them criminally, they can claim Fifth Amendment. [55:24.300 --> 55:30.300] If you accuse them civilly, if they claim Fifth Amendment, [55:30.300 --> 55:36.300] they essentially stipulate that they lied about the criminal complaint. [55:36.300 --> 55:38.300] You see the conundrum they're in? [55:38.300 --> 55:40.300] Okay. Okay. [55:40.300 --> 55:42.300] And what about the attorney, Randy? [55:42.300 --> 55:45.300] Okay, the attorney. [55:45.300 --> 55:47.300] Oh, he's dog meat. [55:47.300 --> 55:50.300] A quick story about what I did to my attorney. [55:50.300 --> 55:58.300] He appointed me an attorney to the DPS arrested me at the Secretary of State's building. [55:58.300 --> 56:00.300] I went to the judge and she said, Mr. Colton, do you have counsel? [56:00.300 --> 56:02.300] No, Your Honor, I do not. [56:02.300 --> 56:03.300] He said, well, are you going to hire counsel? [56:03.300 --> 56:05.300] No, Your Honor, I'm not. [56:05.300 --> 56:06.300] Would you like me to appoint counsel? [56:06.300 --> 56:07.300] You can do whatever you want to. [56:07.300 --> 56:09.300] Well, Mr. Colton, I'm going to appoint you counsel. [56:09.300 --> 56:15.300] I said, well, if you do, Your Honor, make sure you appoint someone you really don't like. [56:15.300 --> 56:28.300] The reason being, when I talked to the attorney, I told the attorney that I have a document filed that addresses some 21 due process motions. [56:28.300 --> 56:32.300] You will adjudicate every one of those due process motions. [56:32.300 --> 56:41.300] And he told me, well, Mr. Colton, you are the accused, so you make the major decisions, whether you plead guilty or not guilty. [56:41.300 --> 56:43.300] But this is my bar license. [56:43.300 --> 56:46.300] So I determine how to adjudicate the case. [56:46.300 --> 56:51.300] No, this is how this will work. [56:51.300 --> 56:58.300] You will adjudicate every single one of my due process rights. [56:58.300 --> 57:06.300] I didn't tell him at the time that I told him later, or I will file a bar grievance against you for each one of them. [57:06.300 --> 57:10.300] This was on the phone when I told him that part, long silence. [57:10.300 --> 57:16.300] He said, Mr. Colton, you would grieve me in a heartbeat. [57:16.300 --> 57:25.300] What I had already told him is he's going to go to the judge and try to get removed from the case. [57:25.300 --> 57:30.300] And he didn't understand at the time why I told him that because I hadn't told him about the bar grievances. [57:30.300 --> 57:35.300] When he told me that I have to be careful because I could spend six months in jail, I said, no, that won't happen. [57:35.300 --> 57:39.300] What's going to happen is you're going to go to the judge and ask him to remove you from the case. [57:39.300 --> 57:43.300] And I'm going to go to the judge and tell him, don't you dare remove him from that case. [57:43.300 --> 57:44.300] He's my attorney. [57:44.300 --> 57:46.300] He's under contract to me. [57:46.300 --> 57:48.300] He's my counsel of choice. [57:48.300 --> 57:49.300] You leave him alone. [57:49.300 --> 57:52.300] And the judge is going to remove you anyway. [57:52.300 --> 58:02.300] And when she does, I'm going to sue the judge for making that a ministerial decision that denied me my counsel of choice. [58:02.300 --> 58:06.300] I'll explain a little bit why. [58:06.300 --> 58:15.300] But the attorney in a position where he has to fight for you, you will end his career. [58:15.300 --> 58:16.300] All right. [58:16.300 --> 58:17.300] Well, listen, yeah, we're going to break. [58:17.300 --> 58:19.300] William, hang on the line. [58:19.300 --> 58:23.300] We've got other callers we're going to go to when we get back on the other side. [58:23.300 --> 58:39.300] This is the rule of law, Rene Kelton and Deborah Stevens will be right back. [58:39.300 --> 58:54.300] All right. [58:54.300 --> 59:09.300] All right. [59:09.300 --> 59:24.300] All right. [59:24.300 --> 59:39.300] All right. [59:39.300 --> 01:00:05.300] You are listening to the rule of law radio network at ruleoflawradio.com. [01:00:05.300 --> 01:00:17.300] Live free speech talk radio at its best. [01:00:17.300 --> 01:00:39.300] All right. [01:00:39.300 --> 01:01:05.300] All right. [01:01:05.300 --> 01:01:10.300] We're taking your phone calls. [01:01:10.300 --> 01:01:16.300] And right now we are speaking with William in Georgia. [01:01:16.300 --> 01:01:22.300] And Randy, you're telling him about how to go after his attorney. [01:01:22.300 --> 01:01:24.300] Right, bar grievances. [01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:28.300] That is the attorney's Achilles heel. [01:01:28.300 --> 01:01:33.300] If you file a bar grievance against him, he's not going to say anything about it. [01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:39.300] He's not allowed to because when he files the bar grievance, it becomes secret. [01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:41.300] I file a bar grievance against my attorney. [01:01:41.300 --> 01:01:46.300] If he says anything to me about it, I'll file a bar grievance against him for that. [01:01:46.300 --> 01:01:48.300] And this is how it works. [01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:56.300] There's like either seven or nine companies nationwide that insure attorneys for malpractice. [01:01:56.300 --> 01:02:03.300] If you get one bar grievance in your first year of practice, no malpractice insurance, I'll counsel you. [01:02:03.300 --> 01:02:08.300] Two bar grievances any one year of practice, no malpractice insurance. [01:02:08.300 --> 01:02:13.300] Three bar grievances, your law firm can't get malpractice insurance. [01:02:13.300 --> 01:02:15.300] That's their weakness. [01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:24.300] And the bar associations have made the bar grievances secret so you can't reveal it to anybody. [01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:33.300] That means that the insurance company can't find out if the bar grievance is valid or not because it's secret. [01:02:33.300 --> 01:02:35.300] So how do they gauge the level of risk? [01:02:35.300 --> 01:02:37.300] By the numbers. [01:02:37.300 --> 01:02:44.300] So it makes them extremely vulnerable to bar grievances. [01:02:44.300 --> 01:02:46.300] You can hammer them with it. [01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:54.300] So if you have an attorney, if your attorney doesn't communicate adequately with you, file a bar grievance. [01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:59.300] If he fails to do anything he's supposed to, file a bar grievance. [01:02:59.300 --> 01:03:06.300] If he gives you incorrect or untimely advice, file a bar grievance. [01:03:06.300 --> 01:03:17.300] No person who went to law school read a book on malpractice suit first because if he had of, he had never became an attorney. [01:03:17.300 --> 01:03:20.300] You can sue the attorney for everything. [01:03:20.300 --> 01:03:23.300] And anything you can sue him for, you can file a bar grievance for. [01:03:23.300 --> 01:03:32.300] And what you actually do is give your attorney the opportunity to be able to do his job. [01:03:32.300 --> 01:03:34.300] Right now he's terrified of the judge. [01:03:34.300 --> 01:03:39.300] He doesn't want to do anything to upset the judge because the judge will screw his next client to get back at him. [01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:45.300] Well, with you hammering him with bar grievances, he goes to the judge and tries to get removed. [01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:47.300] You hammer the judge. [01:03:47.300 --> 01:03:51.300] You sue the judge personally because removing your attorney is not a judicial decision. [01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:53.300] It's administrative. [01:03:53.300 --> 01:03:55.300] And he has no immunity for that. [01:03:55.300 --> 01:03:58.300] So you accuse him of denying you counsel of choice. [01:03:58.300 --> 01:04:00.300] It's a constitutional violation. [01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:01.300] Sue the judge. [01:04:01.300 --> 01:04:04.300] The judge has to hire an attorney. [01:04:04.300 --> 01:04:09.300] And now the judge has a monetary interest. [01:04:09.300 --> 01:04:13.300] He owes, he has, you have a tort against him. [01:04:13.300 --> 01:04:16.300] He has to disqualify himself. [01:04:16.300 --> 01:04:23.300] You get another judge in there and demand that that judge appoint you the most expensive attorney in the county. [01:04:23.300 --> 01:04:27.300] And the judge is going to know you're going to crucify that one too. [01:04:27.300 --> 01:04:29.300] So it puts them in a position. [01:04:29.300 --> 01:04:35.300] It puts your attorney in a position where he has no alternative but to fight for your rights. [01:04:35.300 --> 01:04:36.300] And he can go to the judge. [01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:38.300] Don't blame me, Judge. [01:04:38.300 --> 01:04:41.300] This guy's kicking my behind. [01:04:41.300 --> 01:04:44.300] Possible deniability. [01:04:44.300 --> 01:04:46.300] That's how you can make your attorney work for you. [01:04:46.300 --> 01:04:49.300] To write quick, Randy, do I file any motions after that? [01:04:49.300 --> 01:04:53.300] When you file any motions, are you giving them jurisdiction so I can't challenge jurisdiction? [01:04:53.300 --> 01:04:55.300] No, no. [01:04:55.300 --> 01:04:58.300] Challenge jurisdiction first thing. [01:04:58.300 --> 01:05:01.300] And then go ahead and adjudicate your case. [01:05:01.300 --> 01:05:10.300] Once you've challenged jurisdiction, the thing about jurisdiction, you cannot give the judge subject matter jurisdiction. [01:05:10.300 --> 01:05:14.300] You can give, you can waive in personum jurisdiction. [01:05:14.300 --> 01:05:24.300] But if you go before the court at arm's length, telling them that they don't have jurisdiction, [01:05:24.300 --> 01:05:32.300] but you're coming before them at arm's length to ensure your rights until a determination of subject matter jurisdiction is made, [01:05:32.300 --> 01:05:37.300] you do not give them, you don't waive in personum jurisdiction. [01:05:37.300 --> 01:05:41.300] Subject matter jurisdiction, you cannot give them, period. [01:05:41.300 --> 01:05:44.300] If they don't have it, they can never, ever get it. [01:05:44.300 --> 01:05:47.300] Nothing you can do can give it to them. [01:05:47.300 --> 01:05:52.300] If I go to you and say, hey, William, I tell you what, I want to be the judge in your case. [01:05:52.300 --> 01:05:57.300] You're going to let me be the judge, and you can agree to that all you want to. [01:05:57.300 --> 01:06:00.300] I don't become the judge. [01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:04.300] I have to have subject matter jurisdiction as a matter of law. [01:06:04.300 --> 01:06:06.300] I can't get it any other way. [01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:07.300] You cannot give it to me. [01:06:07.300 --> 01:06:12.300] So all these guys say you're going to give them jurisdiction, not true. [01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:15.300] You challenge jurisdiction first thing. [01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:22.300] If you're going to do a, what do you call it, an abatement, abatement is first. [01:06:22.300 --> 01:06:30.300] Now, you can challenge jurisdiction, do an abatement, and raise all kinds of other issues in the original pleading. [01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:35.300] And it doesn't matter where inside that pleading a challenge to jurisdiction comes. [01:06:35.300 --> 01:06:38.300] It's considered the first thing you've done, so you protected that. [01:06:38.300 --> 01:06:45.300] Now go ahead and protect your other rights, for when they rule against you, you can still fight the case. [01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:47.300] Don't run away from the courts. [01:06:47.300 --> 01:06:49.300] Stay on them. [01:06:49.300 --> 01:06:55.300] If they, but we've got a lot of callers today, but if you call back tomorrow night, we can spend some more time on that. [01:06:55.300 --> 01:06:57.300] Okay, great. Thank you, Andy. [01:06:57.300 --> 01:06:58.300] Wonderful. [01:06:58.300 --> 01:06:59.300] Okay. [01:06:59.300 --> 01:07:00.300] All right. [01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:01.300] Thank you, William. [01:07:01.300 --> 01:07:08.300] Okay. We're going to go now to, excuse me, we're going to go now to Julio in Texas. [01:07:08.300 --> 01:07:09.300] Turn speakers off. [01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:10.300] Hey, Julio. [01:07:10.300 --> 01:07:11.300] Thanks for calling in. [01:07:11.300 --> 01:07:13.300] Apparently you had a big win. [01:07:13.300 --> 01:07:15.300] Why don't you tell us about it? [01:07:15.300 --> 01:07:17.300] Well, it started back in 2006. [01:07:17.300 --> 01:07:23.300] I got stopped in the big city of Coctula by a DPS trooper. [01:07:23.300 --> 01:07:25.300] I was going southbound. [01:07:25.300 --> 01:07:31.300] I was pushing the car through, I was 90. [01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:35.300] Okay, but when he stopped me, he didn't tell me your speed. [01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:40.300] He says, do you have any money? [01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:42.300] He asked you if you had any money? [01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:45.300] Yes. [01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:48.300] Can these guys be any more obvious? [01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:54.300] Yeah, I said no, because all the money you had, I'm broke. [01:07:54.300 --> 01:07:55.300] Can I look in your trunk? [01:07:55.300 --> 01:07:57.300] I said, sure, you can look in my trunk. [01:07:57.300 --> 01:07:59.300] I ain't got none too high up the trunk. [01:07:59.300 --> 01:08:01.300] There's nothing on the trunk. [01:08:01.300 --> 01:08:03.300] By the way, do you have a driver's license? [01:08:03.300 --> 01:08:10.300] I said, am I employed in a position that requires a license? [01:08:10.300 --> 01:08:12.300] And I said, there's no visual space. [01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:13.300] I said, what is your name? [01:08:13.300 --> 01:08:16.300] So I gave him my name, you know. [01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:21.300] And it's a lot that my driving license has been suspended. [01:08:21.300 --> 01:08:28.300] So he takes me in, and, you know, I tell him not to take me. [01:08:28.300 --> 01:08:31.300] I'll be more than happy to receive a ticket and all this good stuff. [01:08:31.300 --> 01:08:33.300] And, no, no, I got to take you in. [01:08:33.300 --> 01:08:35.300] So he takes me in. [01:08:35.300 --> 01:08:37.300] And after jail, they want my fingerprints. [01:08:37.300 --> 01:08:42.300] And I said, you're not going to get my fingerprints, because I got to go see the judge before. [01:08:42.300 --> 01:08:47.300] Well, you ain't going to get the judge unless you give me your fingerprints. [01:08:47.300 --> 01:08:52.300] So I started my ride, and I waited there for about four days. [01:08:52.300 --> 01:08:56.300] And they finally found out that I wasn't going to give them the fingerprints, [01:08:56.300 --> 01:09:01.300] so they might just credit me four days later. [01:09:01.300 --> 01:09:02.300] Okay? [01:09:02.300 --> 01:09:05.300] And during my stretch, they started reading my ride. [01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:10.300] You know, you got the right to remain silent, which, you know, hey, that's great. [01:09:10.300 --> 01:09:12.300] You have the right to an attorney. [01:09:12.300 --> 01:09:15.300] Oh, outstanding. [01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:17.300] You have the right to end this proceeding and anything else. [01:09:17.300 --> 01:09:24.300] I'll take that one, have a nice day, and I'll walk back to my cell. [01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:27.300] I like that one. [01:09:27.300 --> 01:09:29.300] Well, it's right there on the code. [01:09:29.300 --> 01:09:33.300] You do have the right to end the proceeding, so I took that one. [01:09:33.300 --> 01:09:37.300] So he comes back and says, hey, this conversation is over. [01:09:37.300 --> 01:09:41.300] Well, what part of it is over you don't understand, Your Honor? [01:09:41.300 --> 01:09:46.300] And we just kept on walking back to my jail, so that stuff had been out. [01:09:46.300 --> 01:09:51.300] And so they, you know, they didn't set the bond or anything like that. [01:09:51.300 --> 01:09:54.300] And this was December 22nd. [01:09:54.300 --> 01:10:00.300] And on the first of the month, my son, I finally got ahold of my son, [01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:04.300] and they picked me up, they went and bailed me out. [01:10:04.300 --> 01:10:11.300] Now, I don't get anything from the courthouse saying that I had a court date. [01:10:11.300 --> 01:10:15.300] But right around February, I sent a communication saying that, you know, [01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:17.300] the statute of limitations has ended. [01:10:17.300 --> 01:10:19.300] You know, you should have been ready for proceedings, you know, [01:10:19.300 --> 01:10:25.300] 30 days after the arrest, and, you know, this deal is over. [01:10:25.300 --> 01:10:31.300] Well, this ends with a failure to appear charged. [01:10:31.300 --> 01:10:39.300] And I'm hearing often on that one, so to make the story short, [01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:42.300] we put a bond over here, and then we'll go to Cotulla, [01:10:42.300 --> 01:10:46.300] and they're trying to set up the court date, like 60 days after. [01:10:46.300 --> 01:10:51.300] And then finally somebody told me to file an affidavit of indigency, [01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:56.300] which I did, and that gave me the right to get all the paperwork for free. [01:10:56.300 --> 01:11:01.300] So we drive out there, get all the paperwork, and lo and behold, [01:11:01.300 --> 01:11:06.300] there's nothing on the record that I was ever much traded. [01:11:06.300 --> 01:11:07.300] Okay? [01:11:07.300 --> 01:11:14.300] And there's nowhere moving the court for a court date anywhere. [01:11:14.300 --> 01:11:19.300] So when I'm there trying to get my paperwork, the judge comes in, [01:11:19.300 --> 01:11:22.300] I'm talking to the clerk of the court, he comes in, and I said, you know, [01:11:22.300 --> 01:11:26.300] you're going to get in trouble. [01:11:26.300 --> 01:11:28.300] I said, well, why would you say that? [01:11:28.300 --> 01:11:30.300] I said, if the statutes or limitations are over, [01:11:30.300 --> 01:11:34.300] and this case is like two years old, how am I going to get in trouble? [01:11:34.300 --> 01:11:36.300] Why are you going to have an attorney? [01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:40.300] I said, well, we're a little bit too late for that. [01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:48.300] So he answers with a personal letter from his office that he can set up a court date. [01:11:48.300 --> 01:11:50.300] So I went back, checked on the file, [01:11:50.300 --> 01:11:53.300] and there's nothing on the file that there's a court date for me. [01:11:53.300 --> 01:11:55.300] So knowing your rights, you know, [01:11:55.300 --> 01:11:59.300] you don't reserve your rights 24 hours before you go to court, you lose them. [01:11:59.300 --> 01:12:06.300] So I filed a motion, not a motion, a notice of appearance, [01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:11.300] that because I was on the trip by the judge, [01:12:11.300 --> 01:12:16.300] this particular deal was just a special dissertation. [01:12:16.300 --> 01:12:21.300] Well, on the date of the court, I walked in, and Larry was with me, [01:12:21.300 --> 01:12:26.300] and Fran was with me, and they called my name. [01:12:26.300 --> 01:12:33.300] And I answered, Your Honor, there's about four Julian Navarro's. [01:12:33.300 --> 01:12:37.300] Which one are you referring to? [01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:43.300] He gave me this look and just ignored me. [01:12:43.300 --> 01:12:46.300] And he finished reading, he was, you know, [01:12:46.300 --> 01:12:49.300] probably charged with people dealing too often, all this good stuff. [01:12:49.300 --> 01:12:55.300] And then he calls my name again and says, Mr. Navarro, would you come in? [01:12:55.300 --> 01:13:00.300] I stood up and walked up all the way to the galley and asked him, [01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:07.300] if I go through this gate, am I giving you jurisdiction? [01:13:07.300 --> 01:13:13.300] And he says, no, Mr. Navarro, would you approach the bench? [01:13:13.300 --> 01:13:20.300] And right after we walked in, right away, I said, and I asked the court the question. [01:13:20.300 --> 01:13:23.300] I said, Judge, you may. [01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:27.300] Mr. Prosecutor, do you have a note to defend the Constitution [01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:30.300] of the United States and the state of Texas? [01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:33.300] And does the judge have a note also? [01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:37.300] Do you have any objections to this? [01:13:37.300 --> 01:13:43.300] And from everybody, they just mumbled, no, we don't have any objection on that. [01:13:43.300 --> 01:13:50.300] I said, based on that look, and then right away he says, Mr. Navarro, [01:13:50.300 --> 01:14:00.300] you got to have an attorney, which I answered, Your Honor, I will take one attorney. [01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:05.300] You cannot appoint an attorney for me if that attorney is bound to me, [01:14:05.300 --> 01:14:11.300] not to the court, not to the state, and not to the bar. [01:14:11.300 --> 01:14:18.300] And he knows where I was going with that, and then he said, please, go talk to the attorney. [01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:20.300] I said, I will talk to the attorney. [01:14:20.300 --> 01:14:27.300] So I went out on the hall, and we never had a contract. [01:14:27.300 --> 01:14:30.300] You know, nobody, an attorney was offered to me, [01:14:30.300 --> 01:14:35.300] and nobody had taken him under this consideration, under these three things. [01:14:35.300 --> 01:14:39.300] If he's bound to me, not bound to you, and not bound to the bar. [01:14:39.300 --> 01:14:44.300] So we walked on the back, and right away the attorney started to question what the deal was. [01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:46.300] I said, there's just a big problem. [01:14:46.300 --> 01:14:57.300] Where are the magistrations' papers? I said, a bomb was set, and I said, [01:14:57.300 --> 01:14:59.300] where is the examining trial papers? [01:14:59.300 --> 01:15:04.300] Where are the papers that are supposed to be sealed with the clerk? [01:15:04.300 --> 01:15:07.300] And then she says, Mr. Navarro, you know too much about the law. [01:15:07.300 --> 01:15:10.300] I said, well, I don't know what to say. [01:15:10.300 --> 01:15:15.300] But she runs back into the court, and immediately they pull their pants down. [01:15:15.300 --> 01:15:18.300] And I said, Mr. Navarro, we've got good news for you. [01:15:18.300 --> 01:15:23.300] They're willing to drop all the charges. [01:15:23.300 --> 01:15:25.300] And check this out, Randy. [01:15:25.300 --> 01:15:31.300] I had three more cases pending from the last time I was arrested back in February. [01:15:31.300 --> 01:15:35.300] We were not there to talk about those cases. [01:15:35.300 --> 01:15:41.300] They offered me to drop all those four cases for me on the first offer. [01:15:41.300 --> 01:15:43.300] First offer. [01:15:43.300 --> 01:15:47.300] The only thing I filed with them was a notice of fraud, [01:15:47.300 --> 01:15:56.300] and I think I might have gave you that one time under the Administrative Procedures Act of 1946, [01:15:56.300 --> 01:15:59.300] which set up the Court of Justice Corporation. [01:15:59.300 --> 01:16:05.300] But even though they set up a court of justice corporation, they had to follow some kind of procedure. [01:16:05.300 --> 01:16:08.300] Otherwise, they don't have that fraud. [01:16:08.300 --> 01:16:21.300] And also, I filed a pretty lengthy motion to dismiss election jurisdiction and all that. [01:16:21.300 --> 01:16:23.300] I'm sure they were not ignored. [01:16:23.300 --> 01:16:26.300] That's why they were just willing to let me go. [01:16:26.300 --> 01:16:38.300] And they were good. They're willing to do those things, go right to these push pins. [01:16:38.300 --> 01:16:45.300] They can never come back to charging or that thing again, ever. [01:16:45.300 --> 01:16:46.300] Okay, hold on. [01:16:46.300 --> 01:16:48.300] Yeah, hold on, Julio. [01:16:48.300 --> 01:16:49.300] We'll be right back. [01:16:49.300 --> 01:16:52.300] And there was another Julio from Texas, also a Julio in Austin. [01:16:52.300 --> 01:16:55.300] So Julio from Austin, if you'd like to call back in, we'll take your call as well. [01:16:55.300 --> 01:16:58.300] We'll be right back. [01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:27.300] We'll be right back. [01:17:55.300 --> 01:17:58.300] The promo code is ruleoflawradio.com. [01:18:25.300 --> 01:18:29.300] All right, we are back. [01:18:29.300 --> 01:18:32.300] The rule of law. [01:18:32.300 --> 01:18:35.300] We are taking your calls right now. [01:18:35.300 --> 01:18:40.300] All right, right now we are speaking with Julio from Texas. [01:18:40.300 --> 01:18:43.300] Okay, Julio, please continue. [01:18:43.300 --> 01:18:49.300] Well, another thing that happened this past February when I got stopped, [01:18:49.300 --> 01:18:57.300] they took my car in, and they have stolen my car. [01:18:57.300 --> 01:19:00.300] And now they've dismissed all the charges, [01:19:00.300 --> 01:19:06.300] and that is a tacit admission that the charges were unfounded to begin with. [01:19:06.300 --> 01:19:08.300] Yeah, I know that. [01:19:08.300 --> 01:19:13.300] But you see, they're often doing a little fraud against any state of Texas [01:19:13.300 --> 01:19:19.300] that's an all-capsulator agent, and the total company, [01:19:19.300 --> 01:19:24.300] they have a license from the state of Texas, so they are their agents. [01:19:24.300 --> 01:19:28.300] And for every act that they've done, they owe me $100,000. [01:19:28.300 --> 01:19:34.300] So I'm going to have to get with someone that knows about filing an underbond, [01:19:34.300 --> 01:19:36.300] because they're in default. [01:19:36.300 --> 01:19:39.300] That was a great change from, you know, underbotted. [01:19:39.300 --> 01:19:42.300] They had, you know, 20 days to... [01:19:42.300 --> 01:19:46.300] Okay, filing against their bond is relatively easy [01:19:46.300 --> 01:19:53.300] in that you just file a tort letter with the mayor. [01:19:53.300 --> 01:19:55.300] Okay. [01:19:55.300 --> 01:19:58.300] And then the bond is insurance. [01:19:58.300 --> 01:20:02.300] If you think of bond in terms of insurance, it makes it make more sense. [01:20:02.300 --> 01:20:09.300] The tort letter to the mayor is a claim against their insurance. [01:20:09.300 --> 01:20:14.300] And what they will do is turn down the claim. [01:20:14.300 --> 01:20:16.300] They do that as a matter of course. [01:20:16.300 --> 01:20:21.300] But you have to do that and then give them up to 60 days to answer. [01:20:21.300 --> 01:20:25.300] When we did that in Amarillo, they answered in about three weeks. [01:20:25.300 --> 01:20:32.300] So once they answered it and denied your claim, now the gloves are off. [01:20:32.300 --> 01:20:35.300] Now you get to file your civil action. [01:20:35.300 --> 01:20:37.300] Okay. [01:20:37.300 --> 01:20:42.300] And now you file suit and hit them with discovery. [01:20:42.300 --> 01:20:48.300] And we're working on putting together a good comprehensive suit package. [01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:54.300] And you help us do your part, and we'll provide some of ours. [01:20:54.300 --> 01:20:58.300] We can all get together and help get this suit put together [01:20:58.300 --> 01:21:02.300] so that all of us can start hammering these guys. [01:21:02.300 --> 01:21:05.300] You know, Randy, my guess is a little more complex than that. [01:21:05.300 --> 01:21:07.300] I'm cutting the corners, you know. [01:21:07.300 --> 01:21:11.300] There's also there is the head filing in this case that, you know, [01:21:11.300 --> 01:21:13.300] that you need to see him. [01:21:13.300 --> 01:21:16.300] You need to see him because the average OOP, [01:21:16.300 --> 01:21:21.300] this choice was begging me to take an attorney. [01:21:21.300 --> 01:21:22.300] Begging me. [01:21:22.300 --> 01:21:23.300] Oh, yeah. [01:21:23.300 --> 01:21:25.300] They needed a way out. [01:21:25.300 --> 01:21:27.300] Well, you know, we had a contract with the attorney. [01:21:27.300 --> 01:21:29.300] They don't have no way out. [01:21:29.300 --> 01:21:33.300] He's an interloper. [01:21:33.300 --> 01:21:35.300] He's still an interloper. [01:21:35.300 --> 01:21:37.300] He's not putting the attorney in anyone. [01:21:37.300 --> 01:21:40.300] He violated laws related to his office. [01:21:40.300 --> 01:21:43.300] He's not putting an attorney with me. [01:21:43.300 --> 01:21:45.300] It would be under this condition that he's bound to me, [01:21:45.300 --> 01:21:49.300] not bound to the court, and not bound to the bar. [01:21:49.300 --> 01:21:51.300] Go talk to the attorney. [01:21:51.300 --> 01:21:58.300] And the attorney is standing two hours to act without me signing the contract with her. [01:21:58.300 --> 01:22:01.300] So if she's working on the data function, [01:22:01.300 --> 01:22:04.300] then we've got everything taped. [01:22:04.300 --> 01:22:11.300] I'm a step recruiter, and it was right on my badge, my best pocket, [01:22:11.300 --> 01:22:13.300] and everything is on tape. [01:22:13.300 --> 01:22:15.300] We got him. [01:22:15.300 --> 01:22:16.300] Good, good. [01:22:16.300 --> 01:22:18.300] I mean, we got him good. [01:22:18.300 --> 01:22:20.300] Now we need to start working on the civil action. [01:22:20.300 --> 01:22:21.300] Okay, we've got a lot of callers. [01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:25.300] We need to move along, but good work, Julio. [01:22:25.300 --> 01:22:29.300] Julio and I have been talking about this case for a long time. [01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:31.300] And he has really hung in there. [01:22:31.300 --> 01:22:35.300] This is what happens when you hang in there. [01:22:35.300 --> 01:22:37.300] All right, thank you, Julio, so much. [01:22:37.300 --> 01:22:40.300] Excellent work. [01:22:40.300 --> 01:22:45.300] Okay, we're going to go now to Tim in Texas who's been holding for a very long time. [01:22:45.300 --> 01:22:46.300] Tim, thanks for holding. [01:22:46.300 --> 01:22:47.300] Thanks for calling in. [01:22:47.300 --> 01:22:48.300] What's on your mind tonight? [01:22:48.300 --> 01:22:49.300] Oh, good evening, guys. [01:22:49.300 --> 01:22:51.300] I just want to give you a couple of updates here. [01:22:51.300 --> 01:22:56.300] First off, Randy, Tim Turner had mentioned a document, [01:22:56.300 --> 01:22:59.300] which is a good read on admiralty and maritime. [01:22:59.300 --> 01:23:03.300] I sent you an e-mail with the document so you can take a look at it. [01:23:03.300 --> 01:23:06.300] It actually has specific points to the law that refers to it, [01:23:06.300 --> 01:23:09.300] but maybe that will be helpful in your research. [01:23:09.300 --> 01:23:11.300] Good, thank you. [01:23:11.300 --> 01:23:16.300] The document is called The Secret of Special Maritime Jurisdiction as the PDF file. [01:23:16.300 --> 01:23:20.300] The second thing I wanted to talk to you about is somebody else was calling in earlier, [01:23:20.300 --> 01:23:27.300] and maybe somebody else called into Greg and Don show on Agenda 21 the other night. [01:23:27.300 --> 01:23:31.300] They were talking about putting in a Social Security number in his fidelity site [01:23:31.300 --> 01:23:35.300] to search up what funds were linked to your Social Security number. [01:23:35.300 --> 01:23:39.300] Yeah, I have yet to verify that, by the way. [01:23:39.300 --> 01:23:43.300] Well, I spent the last two days looking at this thing, [01:23:43.300 --> 01:23:46.300] and I think it's bogus to me personally. [01:23:46.300 --> 01:23:52.300] The main thing, if you just put in a couple of two-digit numbers separated by spaces, [01:23:52.300 --> 01:23:54.300] it brings up mutual funds that are traded. [01:23:54.300 --> 01:23:57.300] So for some reason on fidelity, they've got a number, [01:23:57.300 --> 01:24:00.300] two or three-digit numbers that are linked to mutual funds. [01:24:00.300 --> 01:24:01.300] I think that's all it is. [01:24:01.300 --> 01:24:05.300] I think we don't need to be having too much disinformation out there [01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:07.300] about Social Security numbers and what they're linked to. [01:24:07.300 --> 01:24:10.300] I can't see any link to it whatsoever. [01:24:10.300 --> 01:24:14.300] Yeah, and honestly, that really doesn't matter as far as the documents are concerned. [01:24:14.300 --> 01:24:16.300] Right. [01:24:16.300 --> 01:24:17.300] Anyways, I just wanted to bring that up. [01:24:17.300 --> 01:24:21.300] The third thing, I've been working with a couple of people with some traffic tickets. [01:24:21.300 --> 01:24:24.300] One of them got dismissed on the 17th. [01:24:24.300 --> 01:24:27.300] In this time, it wasn't by anything that we did. [01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:30.300] They just did the right thing in the Houston Municipal Court. [01:24:30.300 --> 01:24:37.300] The person showed up for their hearing, and there was nothing in the file, [01:24:37.300 --> 01:24:41.300] so they dismissed the case about two or three weeks after that. [01:24:41.300 --> 01:24:45.300] That's the right thing. [01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:46.300] Go ahead. [01:24:46.300 --> 01:24:53.300] There are real judges out there, and I suspect there's more than we're aware of. [01:24:53.300 --> 01:25:00.300] Most of the judges that I've talked to personally want to do the right thing, [01:25:00.300 --> 01:25:03.300] especially the judges on the bottom. [01:25:03.300 --> 01:25:08.300] And we just need to put them in a position where they can. [01:25:08.300 --> 01:25:13.300] And by fighting them and kicking them in the teeth good and hard, [01:25:13.300 --> 01:25:17.300] we give them opportunity to be able to do the right thing. [01:25:17.300 --> 01:25:21.300] Because they go to these attorneys who are telling them to do it wrong, [01:25:21.300 --> 01:25:27.300] and they tell these attorneys, heck with you, I'm getting crapola over this. [01:25:27.300 --> 01:25:32.300] These guys are putting me in a really embarrassing situation, and I don't like it. [01:25:32.300 --> 01:25:35.300] So get it straight. [01:25:35.300 --> 01:25:40.300] This is how we'll get it done, given plausible deniability. [01:25:40.300 --> 01:25:42.300] And besides... [01:25:42.300 --> 01:25:46.300] Also, there's one other, I've got somebody else that, a friend of mine, [01:25:46.300 --> 01:25:48.300] who's got a ticket, and we're working on that one. [01:25:48.300 --> 01:25:50.300] We're going to file that, if not this week, first part of next week. [01:25:50.300 --> 01:25:53.300] So we're going to try to get another one working on. [01:25:53.300 --> 01:25:54.300] So this will be my first two. [01:25:54.300 --> 01:25:57.300] I'm working on preparing documents based on that humbinger that I sent you [01:25:57.300 --> 01:26:00.300] and Eddie and feedback from both of you guys on that. [01:26:00.300 --> 01:26:04.300] So I'm trying to create one document to throw the whole kitchen sink at them. [01:26:04.300 --> 01:26:10.300] And we want to put together a good, comprehensive document that includes [01:26:10.300 --> 01:26:14.300] challenges to jurisdiction and criminal charges against them [01:26:14.300 --> 01:26:17.300] when they don't do what they're supposed to do. [01:26:17.300 --> 01:26:20.300] Because we go before these judges, and they don't do what they're supposed to, [01:26:20.300 --> 01:26:22.300] and we come away frustrated. [01:26:22.300 --> 01:26:25.300] We need to hammer the judge. [01:26:25.300 --> 01:26:27.300] If he doesn't do what he's supposed to, that starts a separate fight. [01:26:27.300 --> 01:26:32.300] And then we start going after the judge in a separate fight on him. [01:26:32.300 --> 01:26:35.300] They're not going to want to keep doing this. [01:26:35.300 --> 01:26:38.300] They may just keep ruling against you. [01:26:38.300 --> 01:26:43.300] But every time you come after them this way, they know this is like playing [01:26:43.300 --> 01:26:44.300] Russian roulette. [01:26:44.300 --> 01:26:48.300] You never know when one of these guys is going to get you. [01:26:48.300 --> 01:26:52.300] If we don't fight, they don't do anything they want. [01:26:52.300 --> 01:26:53.300] Yeah. [01:26:53.300 --> 01:26:54.300] So anyways, I'll keep you posted. [01:26:54.300 --> 01:26:57.300] If this document works, I'll send it to you and Eddie [01:26:57.300 --> 01:27:01.300] so you can file it away and log it as something that actually isn't good. [01:27:01.300 --> 01:27:02.300] So we'll see what happens. [01:27:02.300 --> 01:27:03.300] Good. [01:27:03.300 --> 01:27:04.300] All right. [01:27:04.300 --> 01:27:05.300] Thank you, Tim. [01:27:05.300 --> 01:27:07.300] And I wanted to thank you guys for all your help on this stuff, [01:27:07.300 --> 01:27:09.300] and the journey is just beginning. [01:27:09.300 --> 01:27:10.300] All right. [01:27:10.300 --> 01:27:11.300] Thanks, Tim. [01:27:11.300 --> 01:27:12.300] Bye-bye. [01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:13.300] Bye. [01:27:13.300 --> 01:27:14.300] Okay. [01:27:14.300 --> 01:27:15.300] We're going to go now to Hans in Texas. [01:27:15.300 --> 01:27:19.300] And after Hans, we had another caller, Dwight, who dropped off the line. [01:27:19.300 --> 01:27:22.300] Sorry, callers, everyone's having to wait so long. [01:27:22.300 --> 01:27:25.300] Dwight, if you want to call back in, we'll take you right next. [01:27:25.300 --> 01:27:28.300] For now, we're going to go to Hans in Texas. [01:27:28.300 --> 01:27:31.300] Hans, thanks for calling in. [01:27:31.300 --> 01:27:32.300] What's on your mind tonight? [01:27:32.300 --> 01:27:33.300] Sure. [01:27:33.300 --> 01:27:39.300] I just wanted to chime in the support for Randy concerning his caution on the maritime law [01:27:39.300 --> 01:27:46.300] because after listening to Tim Turner, he gave some metaphors, allegories, [01:27:46.300 --> 01:27:49.300] and just kind of concluded it wasn't this obvious. [01:27:49.300 --> 01:27:57.300] And I'm fighting with Randy's caution there that, you know, show me in the law. [01:27:57.300 --> 01:28:03.300] If we can't have any current cases that establish somebody on land using maritime law [01:28:03.300 --> 01:28:08.300] in the way that they're doing it, I think that it deserves the caution. [01:28:08.300 --> 01:28:12.300] Yeah, and Hans, apparently there are some case – there is some case law, [01:28:12.300 --> 01:28:17.300] and I haven't had a chance to look over all the documents yet, and neither has Randy. [01:28:17.300 --> 01:28:21.300] I'm really concerned with all the people who put their patriotic foot forward [01:28:21.300 --> 01:28:24.300] and get it cut off, you know what I'm saying? [01:28:24.300 --> 01:28:30.300] It's not to disparage Tim at all, but I was going through his documents [01:28:30.300 --> 01:28:37.300] and pulling up his citations, and a lot of what I found in there was not on point. [01:28:37.300 --> 01:28:44.300] And I'm very concerned when I find a case cited that when I look it up, it's not on point. [01:28:44.300 --> 01:28:47.300] This becomes a real problem. [01:28:47.300 --> 01:28:52.300] I think that, yeah, I mean, a lot of people will be putting a lot of weight. [01:28:52.300 --> 01:28:54.300] You can see everybody get excited about it. [01:28:54.300 --> 01:28:59.300] And then only, you know, like you said, I don't know what the Republican Texas situation was, [01:28:59.300 --> 01:29:07.300] but yeah, find a situation where everybody's endangered because they thought was true was not. [01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:13.300] Yeah, and listen, Hans, I would call into Agenda 21 tomorrow night [01:29:13.300 --> 01:29:18.300] because they've studied Tentor's documents more thoroughly, and, you know, [01:29:18.300 --> 01:29:24.300] like they were saying earlier, this stuff gets updated every time there's a seminar, [01:29:24.300 --> 01:29:26.300] and more people come with more information. [01:29:26.300 --> 01:29:30.300] So, you know, the information you may have may not be the latest information, [01:29:30.300 --> 01:29:36.300] but they have, Greg and Don do have the case law, and they've studied it extensively. [01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:39.300] It sounds very exciting, and I'm not disparaging it. [01:29:39.300 --> 01:29:42.300] I'm just saying timing it on a side of caution. I think that it... [01:29:42.300 --> 01:29:47.300] Well, yeah, I wouldn't do any of Randy's techniques either unless I knew that they were backed up by law. [01:29:47.300 --> 01:29:50.300] I mean, that just goes across the board. [01:29:50.300 --> 01:29:53.300] Yeah, I think the more we can wait and see, there'll be... [01:29:53.300 --> 01:29:57.300] Okay, listen, we're going to break. We'll be right back. [01:29:57.300 --> 01:30:03.300] Gold price highs, and with the recent pullback, this is a great time to buy. [01:30:03.300 --> 01:30:07.300] With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties, [01:30:07.300 --> 01:30:11.300] and instability in world financial systems, I see gold going up much higher. [01:30:11.300 --> 01:30:14.300] Hi, I'm Tim Fry at Roberts & Roberts Brokerage. 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[01:30:52.300 --> 01:30:54.300] We're Roberts & Roberts Brokerage. [01:30:54.300 --> 01:30:58.300] 800-874-9760. [01:30:58.300 --> 01:31:14.300] Yeah, and who you want to chip in? Who you think we're for? Free Tony? Who you want to chip in? [01:31:14.300 --> 01:31:28.300] We're Roberts & Roberts Brokerage. [01:31:44.300 --> 01:31:54.300] We're Roberts & Roberts Brokerage. [01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:24.300] We're Roberts & Roberts Brokerage. [01:32:44.300 --> 01:33:10.300] Okay, we're back. [01:33:10.300 --> 01:33:16.300] We're back. The rule of law here on Rule of Law Radio Network. [01:33:16.300 --> 01:33:21.300] That is Rule of Law Radio Network. [01:33:21.300 --> 01:33:25.300] And we are speaking with Hans in Texas. [01:33:25.300 --> 01:33:27.300] We've also got some other callers waiting. [01:33:27.300 --> 01:33:31.300] We've got Paul from Texas, first-time caller, and Mark from Texas. [01:33:31.300 --> 01:33:34.300] So, Hans, did you have any other comments for us? [01:33:34.300 --> 01:33:39.300] Well, yes. I'm eager to hear about how the maritime liens will work. [01:33:39.300 --> 01:33:46.300] My final question is, now that I've learned about CAFRS, is the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, [01:33:46.300 --> 01:33:52.300] does any of those assets able to be leaned in this process instead of just the bond? [01:33:52.300 --> 01:34:00.300] I would think so. It's an asset of the – so long as you have a suit against the agency, [01:34:00.300 --> 01:34:08.300] be it the municipality or the county, if they're assets of the county, they could certainly be leaned. [01:34:08.300 --> 01:34:12.300] And, you know, these seem to be hard to get a hold of. [01:34:12.300 --> 01:34:16.300] I mean, I think just – I wonder about these CAFRS. How do we get hold of them? [01:34:16.300 --> 01:34:20.300] And I've kind of wondered through all this financial crisis what's going on with those. [01:34:20.300 --> 01:34:24.300] But it's something that's kind of under people's radar. [01:34:24.300 --> 01:34:27.300] I mean, nobody wants to talk about them in public meetings, I've been told. [01:34:27.300 --> 01:34:32.300] And so they're there, but nobody's really allowing you access to the information. [01:34:32.300 --> 01:34:36.300] So, I mean, that's something I think that – I think focus groups is the suggestion. [01:34:36.300 --> 01:34:42.300] I don't know if we get people together with legal groups going on here where we can address one particular issue [01:34:42.300 --> 01:34:47.300] as this other gentleman prior to me was working on his own. [01:34:47.300 --> 01:34:48.300] So it's happening organically. [01:34:48.300 --> 01:34:56.300] I wondered if there's an Austin area or any particular areas out there people interested in gathering [01:34:56.300 --> 01:34:59.300] and having a group discussion and focus. [01:34:59.300 --> 01:35:03.300] Well, there used to be a gathering at Brave New Books. [01:35:03.300 --> 01:35:09.300] Apparently – yeah, apparently Harlan is wanting people to get together there on Monday night [01:35:09.300 --> 01:35:16.300] to start a new discussion group concerning these lanes and the commercial law and Tim Turner's documents and such. [01:35:16.300 --> 01:35:18.300] Okay. Well, that's good. [01:35:18.300 --> 01:35:24.300] I just – it would be nice to see some of these issues addressed aggressively with people who like blind. [01:35:24.300 --> 01:35:30.300] Yeah, anybody who wants to – anybody in Austin or the Austin area who wants to get together on Monday evenings [01:35:30.300 --> 01:35:38.300] to study commercial law and these maritime lanes and Tim Turner's methods and documents [01:35:38.300 --> 01:35:44.300] and other people who are doing these things and doing them successfully, call Harlan up at Brave New Books [01:35:44.300 --> 01:35:47.300] and let him know so we can start a list. [01:35:47.300 --> 01:35:50.300] Great. Great. Thanks, guys. Appreciate your work. [01:35:50.300 --> 01:35:57.300] It's very important to do what you all are doing is get those judges and everybody following the rule of law, the rule of law. [01:35:57.300 --> 01:35:58.300] Absolutely. [01:35:58.300 --> 01:35:59.300] Thank you. [01:35:59.300 --> 01:36:00.300] All right. Thank you, Hans. [01:36:00.300 --> 01:36:01.300] Thanks. [01:36:01.300 --> 01:36:04.300] Okay. We're going to go now to Paul in Texas. [01:36:04.300 --> 01:36:05.300] First time caller. [01:36:05.300 --> 01:36:06.300] Thanks for calling in, Paul. [01:36:06.300 --> 01:36:08.300] What's on your mind tonight? [01:36:08.300 --> 01:36:09.300] Can you hear me okay? [01:36:09.300 --> 01:36:11.300] Oh, yes. Go ahead. [01:36:11.300 --> 01:36:12.300] All right. [01:36:12.300 --> 01:36:17.300] Randy, I'm calling because about an hour ago, a little over an hour ago, I got a call from Russell. [01:36:17.300 --> 01:36:22.300] He said you all were discussing this fidelity bond search situation. [01:36:22.300 --> 01:36:26.300] By way of identification, Randy, you and I have dined a couple of times together. [01:36:26.300 --> 01:36:27.300] I've been to your home. [01:36:27.300 --> 01:36:28.300] Yes. [01:36:28.300 --> 01:36:32.300] I've been in court with you. [01:36:32.300 --> 01:36:37.300] I got registered with the New York Stock Exchange and the SEC in 1971. [01:36:37.300 --> 01:36:41.300] I have a general securities principles license. [01:36:41.300 --> 01:36:49.300] All that being said, just to tell you, Fidelity's mutual fund website is not a place to look for bonds. [01:36:49.300 --> 01:36:52.300] Fidelity has hundreds and hundreds of mutual funds. [01:36:52.300 --> 01:36:58.300] When they decided to put this website together, they decided it would be easier on the broker-dealer community [01:36:58.300 --> 01:37:05.300] to locate various funds for the client profiles that a broker normally conducts in his day-to-day business. [01:37:05.300 --> 01:37:11.300] They numbered each fund up to four numbers, starting with 01 and going all the way up [01:37:11.300 --> 01:37:19.300] so that you could easily go to that website and type in the first two, three, four digits of an account number [01:37:19.300 --> 01:37:21.300] that is on Fidelity's statements. [01:37:21.300 --> 01:37:27.300] It immediately took you to that fund so you could get the net asset value, the trading, the graphs, charts, [01:37:27.300 --> 01:37:35.300] none of which has anything whatsoever to do with any of these bonds that everybody seems to think that's a magic key. [01:37:35.300 --> 01:37:38.300] Those extra numbers it just ignores. [01:37:38.300 --> 01:37:43.300] They only look at the first two or three or four numbers you put into whatever. [01:37:43.300 --> 01:37:51.300] If it starts with a case 06 or 08 or 12 or whatever, or your social security number, [01:37:51.300 --> 01:37:57.300] it reads internally and takes you directly to that fund number. [01:37:57.300 --> 01:38:00.300] If you only put one number in there, you're going to go to one fund. [01:38:00.300 --> 01:38:04.300] If you put another one single digit in, you're going to go to a second fund. [01:38:04.300 --> 01:38:05.300] They'll be different funds. [01:38:05.300 --> 01:38:08.300] Yeah, and I think what, Paul, is what you're saying that these are funds anyway. [01:38:08.300 --> 01:38:10.300] These have nothing to do with bonds, is that correct? [01:38:10.300 --> 01:38:13.300] I think they're mutual funds. [01:38:13.300 --> 01:38:16.300] The government may own or may own some securities into it, [01:38:16.300 --> 01:38:25.300] but it doesn't distinguish or identify a specific bond for a specified court case or somebody's birth certificate, [01:38:25.300 --> 01:38:28.300] and everybody thinks that they can go look at that net asset value. [01:38:28.300 --> 01:38:33.300] If that were the case, why isn't Franklin Funds part of this or Pioneer Funds or Kemper? [01:38:33.300 --> 01:38:35.300] There's thousands of mutual funds out there. [01:38:35.300 --> 01:38:37.300] They only deal with Fidelity? [01:38:37.300 --> 01:38:40.300] It's ridiculous. [01:38:40.300 --> 01:38:45.300] So Russell called and says that they're on this again, that somebody called in, [01:38:45.300 --> 01:38:48.300] and I apologize, I wasn't on a call when this happened, [01:38:48.300 --> 01:38:54.300] but I'm telling you, Randy, has no leacy to what you're talking about when it comes to bonds. [01:38:54.300 --> 01:38:55.300] Good. [01:38:55.300 --> 01:38:59.300] I've heard that before, and I'm glad that you clarified that. [01:38:59.300 --> 01:39:01.300] 1971 is when I got registered. [01:39:01.300 --> 01:39:07.300] Well, that's not to say that there really are not bonds created off of our Social Security number [01:39:07.300 --> 01:39:12.300] or off of our birth certificate, but it's just that this is not the method to look that up. [01:39:12.300 --> 01:39:13.300] You're exactly correct. [01:39:13.300 --> 01:39:20.300] There are bonds created off of those instruments, your birth certificate, Social Security, numerous Social Security accounts. [01:39:20.300 --> 01:39:28.300] They're traded all the time, but they're not traded on Fidelity's Web site as a net asset value for a specific fund. [01:39:28.300 --> 01:39:31.300] If you look on there, you also have a CUSIP number for that fund. [01:39:31.300 --> 01:39:38.300] That's the way the Depository Trust Corporation tracks who owns that particular fund [01:39:38.300 --> 01:39:43.300] so the Register and Transfer agents can identify if you're holding the securities yourself, [01:39:43.300 --> 01:39:47.300] who gets paid the dividends every quarter, who gets the capital gains at the end of the year, [01:39:47.300 --> 01:39:53.300] if it's being held by a broker dealer, what broker dealer is going to get the fund so it can be allocated to your account. [01:39:53.300 --> 01:39:58.300] That's what a CUSIP number is identifying through the Depository Trust Corporation. [01:39:58.300 --> 01:40:06.300] So, Paul, do you know how to look up a specific bond on a court case or a birth certificate or Social Security number and such? [01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:09.300] I don't know that you can look them up on a specific court case. [01:40:09.300 --> 01:40:16.300] What you have to really do, in my opinion, is to determine what all the allegations and charges were, [01:40:16.300 --> 01:40:25.300] and the United States Attorney's Office has a master book that gives you a range from this dollar amount to that dollar amount [01:40:25.300 --> 01:40:31.300] for each charge that they're bringing against you, and you take the collective group of them. [01:40:31.300 --> 01:40:33.300] They never charge you with one or two things. [01:40:33.300 --> 01:40:37.300] It's always 12 or 15 charges, and you have to take the collective group, [01:40:37.300 --> 01:40:46.300] and I would always say average at the high side and do your 23, 24, 24, whatever the numbers are anymore, [01:40:46.300 --> 01:40:55.300] for that high dollar amount and enter that into the case and do it with a 1099A. [01:40:55.300 --> 01:40:59.300] That would be my projection. [01:40:59.300 --> 01:41:02.300] All right. [01:41:02.300 --> 01:41:08.300] I mean, it's somebody tripped over this on the Internet one day [01:41:08.300 --> 01:41:14.300] and got the wild idea that it was the master key to finding out where your bond was located. [01:41:14.300 --> 01:41:18.300] It's not. [01:41:18.300 --> 01:41:19.300] All right. [01:41:19.300 --> 01:41:21.300] Well, thank you very much. [01:41:21.300 --> 01:41:25.300] And, Randy, I hope to see you soon again. [01:41:25.300 --> 01:41:29.300] Randy, are you there? [01:41:29.300 --> 01:41:30.300] He must have gone. [01:41:30.300 --> 01:41:34.300] Somebody muted my mic again. [01:41:34.300 --> 01:41:36.300] I'll be back in Austin soon. [01:41:36.300 --> 01:41:37.300] We'll have to get together again. [01:41:37.300 --> 01:41:45.300] I'd very much like to have you on the show and do a show so we can get a good idea of how all of this works. [01:41:45.300 --> 01:41:46.300] Okay. [01:41:46.300 --> 01:41:48.300] Well, I'll be in touch. [01:41:48.300 --> 01:41:51.300] I say I'm closer to you now. [01:41:51.300 --> 01:41:51.300] Oh, good. [01:41:51.300 --> 01:41:52.300] Wonderful. [01:41:52.300 --> 01:41:56.300] Thanks for taking the call, and you all have a good evening. [01:41:56.300 --> 01:41:58.300] Okay, and thank you. [01:41:58.300 --> 01:42:01.300] All right, we had some other calls on the line, but they dropped off. [01:42:01.300 --> 01:42:03.300] So we've got open phone lines right now. [01:42:03.300 --> 01:42:09.300] Callers, if you'd like to call in, we've got one more segment left, 512-646-1984. [01:42:09.300 --> 01:42:19.300] Yeah, and I just don't want us to get clouded by things like this because from what I've seen of the documents [01:42:19.300 --> 01:42:27.300] and the procedures that you go through to be able to file liens against public officials and the UCC-1 forms, [01:42:27.300 --> 01:42:29.300] the documents themselves are valid. [01:42:29.300 --> 01:42:31.300] All of that stuff is valid. [01:42:31.300 --> 01:42:35.300] It's just a lot of it gets surrounded by the legal myths. [01:42:35.300 --> 01:42:38.300] So I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak, [01:42:38.300 --> 01:42:43.300] and discredit Tim Turner's documents and other people's documents and other people's research [01:42:43.300 --> 01:42:54.300] that does have very grounded standing in law just because of some surrounding hype that may not necessarily be true. [01:42:54.300 --> 01:43:02.300] Yes, and it's a standard practice to discredit anything that works well by misinformation. [01:43:02.300 --> 01:43:08.300] And the best way to do it is to give the impression you're giving us good information [01:43:08.300 --> 01:43:14.300] when that information will really lead us into a bear trap. [01:43:14.300 --> 01:43:18.300] So we do have to be very careful. [01:43:18.300 --> 01:43:26.300] And Paul is someone I really want to get on because he's very familiar with how all of these bonds work and get us a good grounding. [01:43:26.300 --> 01:43:30.300] Well, even Paul says that, yes, there are bonds created off of your birth certificate [01:43:30.300 --> 01:43:34.300] and your Social Security number and court cases and the like. [01:43:34.300 --> 01:43:36.300] It's just that this isn't the way to look it up. [01:43:36.300 --> 01:43:37.300] Yes. [01:43:37.300 --> 01:43:41.300] All right, we'll be hopefully hearing from Paul about that some more later on. [01:43:41.300 --> 01:43:47.300] All right, callers, open phone lines, 512-646-1984. [01:43:47.300 --> 01:44:05.300] We will be back for our final segment of the show. [01:44:05.300 --> 01:44:12.300] Aerial spray, chemtrails, the modified atmosphere, heavy metals and pesticides, [01:44:12.300 --> 01:44:17.300] carcinogens and chemical fibers all falling from the sky. [01:44:17.300 --> 01:44:20.300] You have a choice to keep your body clean. [01:44:20.300 --> 01:44:29.300] Detoxify with micro plant powder from hempusa.org or call 908-691-2608. [01:44:29.300 --> 01:44:34.300] It's odorless and tasteless and used in any liquid or food. [01:44:34.300 --> 01:44:38.300] Protect your family now with micro plant powder. [01:44:38.300 --> 01:44:42.300] Cleaning out heavy metals, parasites and toxins. 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[01:46:23.300 --> 01:46:24.300] I'm learning so much. [01:46:24.300 --> 01:46:32.300] And my question tonight is for the first time I'm having to serve on jury duty [01:46:32.300 --> 01:46:42.300] and I don't know what do you have any information on for people who are going to serve on jury duty? [01:46:42.300 --> 01:46:44.300] Oh, that is wonderful. [01:46:44.300 --> 01:46:49.300] You never let me serve on a jury and I would love to. [01:46:49.300 --> 01:46:54.300] Well, apparently it's just going to be for one day, so. [01:46:54.300 --> 01:47:02.300] Yeah, just enjoy it and keep in mind that you have the final say. [01:47:02.300 --> 01:47:07.300] Yeah, and what about when the judge tries to coerce the jury [01:47:07.300 --> 01:47:11.300] and tell them that they can only do what he says and stuff like that? [01:47:11.300 --> 01:47:17.300] I mean, it's my understanding that a jury can find a person not innocent [01:47:17.300 --> 01:47:23.300] or basically acquit a person if they believe that the law is unconstitutional. [01:47:23.300 --> 01:47:26.300] Well, that's what I was wondering because on one of your programs, [01:47:26.300 --> 01:47:30.300] I had heard that you don't have to do as the judge says [01:47:30.300 --> 01:47:37.300] and that if you find the law is improper, you can actually make a decision that affects the law. [01:47:37.300 --> 01:47:42.300] Yeah, the judge is going to tell you otherwise, but he can tell you anything he wants to. [01:47:42.300 --> 01:47:50.300] What Thomas Jefferson said was that the jury is the final check and balance to bad law. [01:47:50.300 --> 01:47:57.300] If the legislature passes a bad law and the jury refuses to enforce the law, [01:47:57.300 --> 01:48:00.300] the legislature will have to change it. [01:48:00.300 --> 01:48:04.300] That was one of the intents of the jury system. [01:48:04.300 --> 01:48:09.300] And now the judges, they don't want the jury have anything to say about the law, [01:48:09.300 --> 01:48:15.300] so they tell you this crapola that they will tell you what the law is [01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:19.300] and you have to find your decision based on the law they give you. [01:48:19.300 --> 01:48:23.300] Well, that is not true. [01:48:23.300 --> 01:48:25.300] That's called jury nullification. [01:48:25.300 --> 01:48:29.300] But she shouldn't say that to the judge, should she? [01:48:29.300 --> 01:48:33.300] She should just keep her mouth shut and then just do whatever she wants to, right? [01:48:33.300 --> 01:48:44.300] Well, we have to go in to decide as a jury. [01:48:44.300 --> 01:48:51.300] Exactly, and you vote your conscience, always your conscience. [01:48:51.300 --> 01:48:56.300] If your conscience tells you the law is bad, you vote your conscience, [01:48:56.300 --> 01:49:00.300] and there's nothing they can do about it. [01:49:00.300 --> 01:49:06.300] This came about with William Penn when the jury refuses to convict him [01:49:06.300 --> 01:49:10.300] and the judge put the jury in jail. [01:49:10.300 --> 01:49:16.300] The jury told the judge to go scratch, and he finally had to let him out of jail, [01:49:16.300 --> 01:49:22.300] and that's when the first time the jury really asserted its rights. [01:49:22.300 --> 01:49:24.300] But enjoy it. [01:49:24.300 --> 01:49:28.300] I think you'll find it a very enlightening experience. [01:49:28.300 --> 01:49:32.300] Yeah, it's your chance to really make a difference in the judicial system, Margaret. [01:49:32.300 --> 01:49:34.300] Well, I'm looking forward to it. [01:49:34.300 --> 01:49:38.300] I'm going to absorb as much as I can from listening to you guys [01:49:38.300 --> 01:49:41.300] and just kind of move forward with it. [01:49:41.300 --> 01:49:42.300] All right, wonderful. [01:49:42.300 --> 01:49:44.300] Okay, thanks so much. [01:49:44.300 --> 01:49:45.300] All right, excellent. [01:49:45.300 --> 01:49:48.300] Thank you, Margaret, first time caller. [01:49:48.300 --> 01:49:52.300] All right, speaking of William Penn, we've got Brian from Pennsylvania on the line, [01:49:52.300 --> 01:49:54.300] and then we'll go to Doug in Texas. [01:49:54.300 --> 01:49:55.300] Brian, thanks for calling in. [01:49:55.300 --> 01:49:57.300] What's on your mind tonight? [01:49:57.300 --> 01:50:01.300] Well, I wanted to add to that a couple callers that were talking before [01:50:01.300 --> 01:50:03.300] about searching those other sites. [01:50:03.300 --> 01:50:10.300] And yeah, you know, that's kind of a valuable resource to a certain extent, [01:50:10.300 --> 01:50:15.300] but I think that one, the original caller that was tipping me off to that [01:50:15.300 --> 01:50:19.300] is maybe a little bit misguided, hopefully not maliciously, you know. [01:50:19.300 --> 01:50:26.300] But yeah, you know, because you could go to the D&D website and look for your county, [01:50:26.300 --> 01:50:29.300] like I did in Monroe County, it's right there. [01:50:29.300 --> 01:50:32.300] But, you know, as far as getting those numbers, [01:50:32.300 --> 01:50:35.300] I think that's, you know, not really going to lead you anywhere anyway, [01:50:35.300 --> 01:50:41.300] and it's not really that constructive to be spending your time on that. [01:50:41.300 --> 01:50:45.300] Maybe we could be doing a little bit more constructive stuff. [01:50:45.300 --> 01:50:50.300] I think that's the best way of addressing that that I've heard. [01:50:50.300 --> 01:50:55.300] It doesn't help one way or another even if you knew that number. [01:50:55.300 --> 01:50:58.300] But there's so much complication out there, [01:50:58.300 --> 01:51:03.300] and this is one of the problems I have in legal reform, [01:51:03.300 --> 01:51:06.300] is there's so much information out there. [01:51:06.300 --> 01:51:11.300] And a lot of times the person presenting the information presents it correctly, [01:51:11.300 --> 01:51:16.300] but the person listening to the information listens to the information [01:51:16.300 --> 01:51:24.300] through the filter of their own biases and prejudices and their own bank of knowledge. [01:51:24.300 --> 01:51:29.300] And the speaker may be transmitting one piece of information, [01:51:29.300 --> 01:51:36.300] but the listener doesn't always grasp precisely what's in the mind of the speaker. [01:51:36.300 --> 01:51:44.300] So we have to always be very careful of how we organize our thinking. [01:51:44.300 --> 01:51:48.300] Yeah, and I will stick up for CJ because he's one of our affiliates, [01:51:48.300 --> 01:51:55.300] and he's putting a lot of work and time and effort into setting up the transmitters, [01:51:55.300 --> 01:52:02.300] and pretty soon rule of law is going to be broadcast to the entire city of Minneapolis of 2.5 million people. [01:52:02.300 --> 01:52:09.300] So we have to give CJ credit where credit is due, even if he's not correct about this one point. [01:52:09.300 --> 01:52:12.300] And so I want to thank him for all the hard work that he's doing [01:52:12.300 --> 01:52:17.300] and his dedication to the Patriot community and getting the word of truth out. [01:52:17.300 --> 01:52:19.300] Yeah, and it is complex out here, [01:52:19.300 --> 01:52:24.300] and we sometimes get information that sounds credible when we hear it, [01:52:24.300 --> 01:52:29.300] and the one closer inspection we find that it's not exactly what we thought it was. [01:52:29.300 --> 01:52:37.300] And in his defense, I'll admit that I screwed up once. [01:52:37.300 --> 01:52:41.300] I did. I thought I had made a mistake, but I was wrong. [01:52:41.300 --> 01:52:43.300] This one? [01:52:43.300 --> 01:52:46.300] Yeah. [01:52:46.300 --> 01:52:49.300] That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. [01:52:49.300 --> 01:52:54.300] Yes, I wish I could count all the times I have screwed up. [01:52:54.300 --> 01:53:01.300] I used to tell my son, if I tell you that you probably shouldn't do that, [01:53:01.300 --> 01:53:07.300] it's because based on my experience in life that that's probably not a good idea. [01:53:07.300 --> 01:53:12.300] But if I say don't do that, trust me, been there, done that, [01:53:12.300 --> 01:53:16.300] I can tell you what's going to happen when you do that, how bad it's going to hurt, [01:53:16.300 --> 01:53:20.300] how much you're going to bleed, what it's going to cost you. [01:53:20.300 --> 01:53:23.300] I've learned a lot the hard way. [01:53:23.300 --> 01:53:27.300] It's okay to make mistakes. [01:53:27.300 --> 01:53:29.300] Well, I'm sorry, what was that, Brian? [01:53:29.300 --> 01:53:32.300] No, I was going to say I'd like to get on to your other callers. [01:53:32.300 --> 01:53:38.300] I would just like to kindly admonish all to also that, you know, this is great, [01:53:38.300 --> 01:53:43.300] all the legal research and action that, you know, you guys and I plan on taking. [01:53:43.300 --> 01:53:47.300] But, you know, I would kindly admonish everybody to be prepared [01:53:47.300 --> 01:53:52.300] and be able to have stored or secure, you know, basics like water and food [01:53:52.300 --> 01:53:55.300] and those sort of things because we never know. [01:53:55.300 --> 01:53:56.300] Indeed. [01:53:56.300 --> 01:53:57.300] Always a good idea. [01:53:57.300 --> 01:54:00.300] In fact, every generation up until this point, [01:54:00.300 --> 01:54:04.300] people have always stored years' worth of food and water [01:54:04.300 --> 01:54:06.300] and everything just as a matter of course. [01:54:06.300 --> 01:54:08.300] This is just a normal part of life. [01:54:08.300 --> 01:54:09.300] My grandparents did it. [01:54:09.300 --> 01:54:11.300] My great-grandparents did it. [01:54:11.300 --> 01:54:16.300] It's only been the last two generations where it has not been commonplace [01:54:16.300 --> 01:54:18.300] to store up years' worth of food. [01:54:18.300 --> 01:54:21.300] And now, you know, the government has, you know, [01:54:21.300 --> 01:54:26.300] they try to put out this propaganda that, oh, we're kooks if we do such things. [01:54:26.300 --> 01:54:30.300] People have always stored up ammunition, arms, food, water. [01:54:30.300 --> 01:54:34.300] I mean, this has just always been a normal part of life [01:54:34.300 --> 01:54:37.300] with the entire history of humans. [01:54:37.300 --> 01:54:39.300] So we've got to get back to the basics here. [01:54:39.300 --> 01:54:40.300] All right. [01:54:40.300 --> 01:54:42.300] Let's go to Doug in Texas. [01:54:42.300 --> 01:54:43.300] Doug, thanks for calling in. [01:54:43.300 --> 01:54:45.300] What's on your mind tonight? [01:54:45.300 --> 01:54:48.300] I'm going to have Randy and Deborah. [01:54:48.300 --> 01:54:52.300] Do you remember, you were talking about the Republic of Texas. [01:54:52.300 --> 01:54:57.300] They had their final release on government official. [01:54:57.300 --> 01:54:58.300] Yes. [01:54:58.300 --> 01:55:03.300] But do you remember the Montana Freemen? [01:55:03.300 --> 01:55:05.300] Yes, I remember them. [01:55:05.300 --> 01:55:07.300] Okay. [01:55:07.300 --> 01:55:11.300] Here was the problem with what they were doing. [01:55:11.300 --> 01:55:16.300] They seemed to not understand what a lien really was. [01:55:16.300 --> 01:55:19.300] See, they thought they were filing a lien. [01:55:19.300 --> 01:55:21.300] No, you can't file a lien. [01:55:21.300 --> 01:55:25.300] And at the time, you know, a couple years ago, [01:55:25.300 --> 01:55:31.300] I had people always asking about the IRS, show me the lien. [01:55:31.300 --> 01:55:33.300] They finally noticed a lien, they'd say, show me the lien. [01:55:33.300 --> 01:55:35.300] Well, you can't show you the lien. [01:55:35.300 --> 01:55:39.300] The lien is not something that has physical existence. [01:55:39.300 --> 01:55:44.300] The lien means that you have a claim. [01:55:44.300 --> 01:55:47.300] For instance, if you hire me to work on your house [01:55:47.300 --> 01:55:51.300] and I come to your house and I expend my labor [01:55:51.300 --> 01:55:55.300] and I purchase materials and use those materials on your house, [01:55:55.300 --> 01:55:58.300] that creates the lien as a matter of law. [01:55:58.300 --> 01:56:00.300] The lien doesn't have a physical existence. [01:56:00.300 --> 01:56:02.300] It's not a piece of paper or anything. [01:56:02.300 --> 01:56:04.300] It's just a claim. [01:56:04.300 --> 01:56:07.300] And then I would come if you didn't pay me and go to the clerk [01:56:07.300 --> 01:56:12.300] and file a notice of the lien that was created by my labor [01:56:12.300 --> 01:56:15.300] and my expending of materials. [01:56:15.300 --> 01:56:22.300] The Republic of Texas were claiming the lien when no lien was created. [01:56:22.300 --> 01:56:26.300] So they filed notice of a non-existent lien. [01:56:26.300 --> 01:56:33.300] Now, what Turner and Nim are doing is they go through a maritime lien process [01:56:33.300 --> 01:56:37.300] where they give notice and opportunity [01:56:37.300 --> 01:56:43.300] and they have a legal structure that creates the lien as a matter of law [01:56:43.300 --> 01:56:46.300] and then they file the notice of that lien they created. [01:56:46.300 --> 01:56:53.300] Now, my question is whether or not the maritime jurisdiction actually applies. [01:56:53.300 --> 01:56:59.300] If it does, it appears as though everything Turner's doing is on firm and solid ground, [01:56:59.300 --> 01:57:06.300] that they obviously understand what a lien is and how it's created as a matter of law. [01:57:06.300 --> 01:57:08.300] Does that make sense? [01:57:08.300 --> 01:57:10.300] Well, what doesn't make sense, Randy, [01:57:10.300 --> 01:57:18.300] is how something that is a maritime lien is on firm and solid ground. [01:57:18.300 --> 01:57:20.300] That doesn't make sense. [01:57:20.300 --> 01:57:28.300] Yeah, my concern is how to get the maritime off the water and down. [01:57:28.300 --> 01:57:32.300] Well, what doesn't make sense to me is anything that is equity courts in general [01:57:32.300 --> 01:57:37.300] because that is not set up in our Constitution anywhere. [01:57:37.300 --> 01:57:40.300] Okay, so I'm sorry? [01:57:40.300 --> 01:57:44.300] We have a statutory court that can handle that. [01:57:44.300 --> 01:57:48.300] It doesn't automatically go to maritime. [01:57:48.300 --> 01:57:57.300] That's my concern is all of these issues can be adjudicated in the existing statutory courts [01:57:57.300 --> 01:58:04.300] and I need a good firm legal way to get me out of the air back down to the ground. [01:58:04.300 --> 01:58:05.300] Well, I disagree. [01:58:05.300 --> 01:58:09.300] I don't think all of these issues can be adjudicated in statutory courts, [01:58:09.300 --> 01:58:12.300] especially when it comes to areas of commerce. [01:58:12.300 --> 01:58:17.300] Okay, and that's why I think that these people are going in this direction. [01:58:17.300 --> 01:58:22.300] So we're going to be talking about this some more tomorrow night and also Agenda 21. [01:58:22.300 --> 01:58:26.300] These guys have been studying this a little bit more than we've had a chance to, [01:58:26.300 --> 01:58:33.300] so I encourage all the listeners to check out their show tomorrow at 6, from 6 to 8, right before hours. [01:58:33.300 --> 01:58:35.300] And callers, thank you for calling in. [01:58:35.300 --> 01:58:38.300] We are at the end of our show. [01:58:38.300 --> 01:58:40.300] I'm sorry we can't take any more calls. [01:58:40.300 --> 01:58:42.300] We'll be back tomorrow evening. [01:58:42.300 --> 01:58:47.300] This is the rule of law. [01:59:12.300 --> 01:59:19.300] If you are a chucky, nobody chucks above me. [01:59:19.300 --> 01:59:27.300] If you are a chucky, chucky, nobody chucks above me. [01:59:27.300 --> 01:59:31.300] I'm like a step in the rain, watch my eyes. [01:59:31.300 --> 01:59:34.300] I'm dangerous, I'm so dangerous. [01:59:34.300 --> 01:59:38.300] I'm like a jumping razor, watch my eyes. [01:59:38.300 --> 01:59:42.300] I'm dangerous, dangerous. [01:59:42.300 --> 01:59:45.300] When you eat, I fall. [01:59:45.300 --> 01:59:49.300] And you treat me good. [01:59:49.300 --> 01:59:52.300] It's a dream, let's move. [01:59:52.300 --> 02:00:09.300] And you better treat me good.