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[00:05.000 --> 00:13.000]  Amnesty International has accused Israel of violating the rules of armed conflict during its recent offensive in the Gaza Strip.
[00:13.000 --> 00:22.000]  These included attacking civilians, civilian buildings, and Palestinian militants that caused a disproportionate toll among civilians.
[00:22.000 --> 00:33.000]  The Lebanese army and the UN interim force in Lebanon went on high alert Wednesday ahead of an Israeli military exercise this coming Sunday along the Lebanese border.
[00:33.000 --> 00:44.000]  Israel says it will press ahead with housing construction in its West Bank settlements, despite a demand from US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that all such buildings stop.
[00:44.000 --> 00:50.000]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[00:50.000 --> 00:55.000]  The battle for the Arctic's hidden mineral riches is likely to intensify.
[00:55.000 --> 01:10.000]  A map of potential oil and gas reserves in the region published Friday in the journal Science shows 30% of the world's unexploited gas and 13% of oil lie under the seas around the North Pole.
[01:10.000 --> 01:22.000]  Exploration and drilling for oil and gas have become easier as climate change causes the Arctic ice to retreat and all countries with borders inside the Arctic Circle are fighting for their share.
[01:22.000 --> 01:30.000]  Russia filed its claim with the UN in 2001 but is being contested by Canada, Denmark, Norway, and the US.
[01:30.000 --> 01:40.000]  In 2007 Russian sailors planted a flag on the seabed beneath the North Pole in an area also claimed by Denmark which has sovereignty over Greenland.
[01:40.000 --> 01:47.000]  Earlier this month Russia said it was prepared to use military force to protect its claims in the Arctic.
[01:47.000 --> 01:59.000]  Richard Gage, a member of the American Institute of Architects who has studied steel frame fireproof buildings for 20 years, says the official version of the collapse of the World Trade Center is pure fiction.
[01:59.000 --> 02:09.000]  In an interview with KMPH Television Thursday, Gage said, quote, fires in high-rises have never brought down a steel frame high-rise building at all, ever.
[02:09.000 --> 02:20.000]  Adding, we have 700 architects and engineers demanding a new investigation as a result of this evidence and the evidence in the World Trade Center that is very explosive.
[02:20.000 --> 02:27.000]  Almost every architect and engineer we've shown this information to agrees these are controlled demolitions.
[02:27.000 --> 02:34.000]  Gage pointed out, obviously the implication of a controlled demolition means somebody beside Al Qaeda was involved.
[02:34.000 --> 02:46.000]  Gage went on, there is chemical evidence of a special incendiary which is thermite, a high-tech incendiary used to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter.
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[03:31.000 --> 03:53.000]  People moving up, people moving in by, but because of the color of their skin, run, run, run, but you still ain't coming back.
[03:53.000 --> 04:05.000]  Am I a boy at all, a two-for-two, both for me and all, such a breeze, ooh, another round.
[04:05.000 --> 04:11.000]  Well, the only person talking about love now and never gets a picture.
[04:11.000 --> 04:18.000]  And it seems nobody gets a steady learning, but the teacher.
[04:18.000 --> 04:30.000]  Sacrifice, determination, demonstration, degradation, aggravation, humiliation, obligation to run in for your confusion.
[04:30.000 --> 04:36.000]  That's what the world is today.
[04:36.000 --> 04:55.000]  The devil feels like at an all-time high, you're so fucking loud with your ears in the sky, maybe the same, maybe something's there, ooh, a big old ball.
[04:55.000 --> 05:13.000]  Evolution, revolution, gun control, sound, soul, shooting rocket to the moon, kids doing their pursuits, politicians, they move like this, we solve everything in the band, freedom.
[05:13.000 --> 05:29.000]  Round and round and round we go, where the wheels end, nobody knows.
[05:29.000 --> 05:33.000]  All right, ball of confusion.
[05:33.000 --> 05:36.000]  That's what our world is today.
[05:36.000 --> 05:45.000]  We've got Eddie Craig on the line with us and Randy Kelton.
[05:45.000 --> 05:47.000]  I want to thank you all for joining us tonight.
[05:47.000 --> 05:55.000]  We also are going to have Tony Davis call in and he's going to be talking about some mortgage issues, right, Randy?
[05:55.000 --> 05:57.000]  Yes.
[05:57.000 --> 06:14.000]  And we've got, John Hoover's going to do the, after Tony Davis will have John Hoover, who was an investigator for the attorney general's office, who investigated high-profile doctors.
[06:14.000 --> 06:30.000]  So what he's going to talk to us about is how investigations should be conducted when you're looking at someone who can afford to hire very expensive attorneys to make sure you do everything right.
[06:30.000 --> 06:45.000]  So he will be talking to us about how investigations should be done so that when we look at how investigations are done, we'll understand what's right and what's wrong.
[06:45.000 --> 06:48.000]  Excellent.
[06:48.000 --> 07:05.000]  And also someone that I just contacted just before the show started is an attorney out of Waco. He should be calling in shortly and we will eventually do a show with him.
[07:05.000 --> 07:25.000]  But he didn't want to do a show yet until we've had a chance to talk to one another, but I would like, I ask him to call in and maybe chime in on the issue that Tony Davis is going to be talking about, which is mortgage issue, which his attorney is very familiar with.
[07:25.000 --> 07:26.000]  Wonderful.
[07:26.000 --> 07:38.000]  We're also going to have John Hoover joining us tonight, former investigator, former police investigator. He's going to be talking about the investigative work of the police and how they do their thing.
[07:38.000 --> 07:40.000]  So that ought to be interesting.
[07:40.000 --> 07:42.000]  Right now we've got a caller on the line.
[07:42.000 --> 07:43.000]  Let's take our caller.
[07:43.000 --> 07:46.000]  We've got Kathy from Texas.
[07:46.000 --> 07:47.000]  Hey Kathy, thanks for joining us.
[07:47.000 --> 07:48.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[07:48.000 --> 07:51.000]  Well, hello and thank you so much.
[07:51.000 --> 08:03.000]  Randy, I'm not sure if you'll recognize my voice or not, but we're working right now on a little issue in Hays County about some corruption and things going on there.
[08:03.000 --> 08:28.000]  And the question I have today though is if an attorney has promised a client in a criminal case to file a motion to dismiss and she has said we've asked the judge to just dismiss all charges because there really were no true charges made, she's made that request verbally.
[08:28.000 --> 08:39.000]  And she has said that she's waiting to get a copy of the statement back of a declining the assault charge from the court.
[08:39.000 --> 08:52.000]  And this has been about two weeks and she says that that's not supposed to be issued, that a declining statement is not supposed to be issued until the trial date.
[08:52.000 --> 08:58.000]  Only there's no trial, there's another hearing set for June 11th.
[08:58.000 --> 09:01.000]  And my take is, okay, what's all this stuff going on?
[09:01.000 --> 09:07.000]  Can a motion to dismiss just be handed in in writing?
[09:07.000 --> 09:09.000]  Yes, it can be at any time.
[09:09.000 --> 09:10.000]  Why?
[09:10.000 --> 09:14.000]  And there is no restriction on when you can hand in any motion to the court.
[09:14.000 --> 09:18.000]  Now there is a restriction on when the court can hear it.
[09:18.000 --> 09:28.000]  Say if you hand in a motion the day before trial, the other side hasn't had seven days in which to look at the motion, so that constitutes surprise.
[09:28.000 --> 09:31.000]  That's the only restriction, but you can file a motion any time.
[09:31.000 --> 09:37.000]  Okay, so if I'm seven days before the date they've set for the next hearing, then they shouldn't have any excuse?
[09:37.000 --> 09:38.000]  None.
[09:38.000 --> 09:39.000]  Okay.
[09:39.000 --> 09:42.000]  Okay, I have, I absolutely recognize your voice.
[09:42.000 --> 09:43.000]  Okay.
[09:43.000 --> 09:50.000]  And I've talked to the other person at issue, and there is a term for what the attorney is doing.
[09:50.000 --> 09:51.000]  There's a legal term for it.
[09:51.000 --> 09:53.000]  It's a very technical legal term.
[09:53.000 --> 09:54.000]  It's called stalling.
[09:54.000 --> 09:55.000]  Horse poop.
[09:55.000 --> 09:56.000]  Horse poop, yes.
[09:56.000 --> 09:58.000]  Okay, I was thinking like stalling.
[09:58.000 --> 09:59.000]  Yes.
[09:59.000 --> 10:02.000]  Okay, this is clearly what the attorney is doing.
[10:02.000 --> 10:03.000]  Okay.
[10:03.000 --> 10:06.000]  The attorney is doing shucking and jiving.
[10:06.000 --> 10:07.000]  Okay.
[10:07.000 --> 10:22.000]  Now, what attorneys tend to do in these criminal cases is they do song and dance and seltzer down your pants for the client to give the client the impression that they're doing their job.
[10:22.000 --> 10:25.000]  And then they go to the prosecuting attorney and do what they really do.
[10:25.000 --> 10:35.000]  They say, okay, what's it going to take to get this client into a position to where he will accept the deal?
[10:35.000 --> 10:36.000]  Right.
[10:36.000 --> 10:37.000]  That's all they care about.
[10:37.000 --> 10:42.000]  This attorney does not want to go to court, does not want to have to put on a vigorous defense.
[10:42.000 --> 10:53.000]  So everything is about how do we get the client to make a deal by telling the client that you can't file this motion to dismiss until the time of trial.
[10:53.000 --> 10:56.000]  It's absolute nonsense.
[10:56.000 --> 10:57.000]  Okay.
[10:57.000 --> 11:18.000]  Well, let me ask you if my strategy is going to backfire on me either because I asked our person to – I offered – well, let me just ask you, is it possible for a third party to have power of attorney if the defendant says, I don't want to talk for myself.
[11:18.000 --> 11:19.000]  You go after it.
[11:19.000 --> 11:26.000]  Can I speak for her and just go in there and file the motion, sign on her behalf and do all that stuff?
[11:26.000 --> 11:33.000]  If she says, I hand it over to you as if I were her guardian, is that a doable thing or am I just asking for way, way too much trouble?
[11:33.000 --> 11:34.000]  Yes, can't do that.
[11:34.000 --> 11:35.000]  Okay, can't do that.
[11:35.000 --> 11:44.000]  What the attorney is going to claim is that now that she has counsel, only the attorney can file motions.
[11:44.000 --> 11:45.000]  But that's not so.
[11:45.000 --> 11:46.000]  No.
[11:46.000 --> 11:47.000]  Okay.
[11:47.000 --> 12:00.000]  I have a motion to file in the case that is choice of counsel and what it has the effect of doing is reduce counsel to second chair.
[12:00.000 --> 12:02.000]  And we should have done that already.
[12:02.000 --> 12:03.000]  Yes, should have already done.
[12:03.000 --> 12:04.000]  Okay.
[12:04.000 --> 12:06.000]  Do I have that?
[12:06.000 --> 12:07.000]  I don't think so.
[12:07.000 --> 12:08.000]  I'm not sure.
[12:08.000 --> 12:09.000]  I'll make sure you do.
[12:09.000 --> 12:15.000]  We didn't get anything filed because she got counsel and we wanted to give counsel.
[12:15.000 --> 12:17.000]  Counsel did this song and dance.
[12:17.000 --> 12:22.000]  Oh yeah, you betcha, I'm going to get in there and I'm going to fight like a tiger for you.
[12:22.000 --> 12:25.000]  Right, but that turned out to be not so.
[12:25.000 --> 12:27.000]  Right, and that always turns out to be not so.
[12:27.000 --> 12:28.000]  Yes.
[12:28.000 --> 12:35.000]  So we had to just back up and wait for the attorney to show her two colors.
[12:35.000 --> 12:36.000]  She has?
[12:36.000 --> 12:47.000]  Now we file a choice of counsel, reducing client to second chair and I just talked to the client today about how to do this.
[12:47.000 --> 12:49.000]  We got this little maneuver.
[12:49.000 --> 12:50.000]  Good.
[12:50.000 --> 13:02.000]  We're going to prepare all the documents and take four sets down to the post office and get three envelopes and put a set in each of those envelopes.
[13:02.000 --> 13:09.000]  And have the post office weigh the envelopes and stamp them for postage.
[13:09.000 --> 13:10.000]  Right.
[13:10.000 --> 13:17.000]  Address one of the envelopes to the client, one of the envelopes to the attorney, one of the envelopes to the prosecutor.
[13:17.000 --> 13:23.000]  And then we take them out of the envelopes and fold the envelope around each set of documents.
[13:23.000 --> 13:24.000]  Okay.
[13:24.000 --> 13:44.000]  Send them all to the clerk with a letter asking the clerk to file these in the case and notify the judge that the motions have been filed or bring these motions to the attention of the court.
[13:44.000 --> 14:03.000]  And a letter to the court coordinator asking the court coordinator to set these motions for hearing and a letter to the clerk asking the clerk to stamp each of the documents included and include a set, put a set in each of the stamped self-addressed envelopes and mail it back.
[14:03.000 --> 14:04.000]  Okay.
[14:04.000 --> 14:09.000]  Well, the documents that we, the letters that we give to the clerk will have the attorney's name on it.
[14:09.000 --> 14:10.000]  Okay.
[14:10.000 --> 14:12.000]  But they won't be signed.
[14:12.000 --> 14:15.000]  So the clerk's going to think the attorney sent them.
[14:15.000 --> 14:27.000]  And the original envelope that all four are in, there's four, one for return to the prosecutor, one return to the client, one return to the defense counsel, and one for the court.
[14:27.000 --> 14:28.000]  Right.
[14:28.000 --> 14:35.000]  So the folder with all of them in it will have the attorney's return address on it.
[14:35.000 --> 14:41.000]  And then the letter will have the attorney's name and address on the top, but it won't be signed.
[14:41.000 --> 14:44.000]  So the clerk's going to think it's from the attorney.
[14:44.000 --> 14:47.000]  So they'll just do what they're told.
[14:47.000 --> 14:48.000]  Yes.
[14:48.000 --> 14:49.000]  They do this all the time.
[14:49.000 --> 14:51.000]  This is a standard procedure.
[14:51.000 --> 14:52.000]  Right.
[14:52.000 --> 14:55.000]  Except they generally don't get them snuck in there by the client.
[14:55.000 --> 14:56.000]  Right.
[14:56.000 --> 15:01.000]  Once the clerk puts the stamp on the document, the deed is done.
[15:01.000 --> 15:02.000]  Okay.
[15:02.000 --> 15:09.000]  But first the attorney finds out about them is the attorney gets a copy and one of them is going to be choice of counsel.
[15:09.000 --> 15:11.000]  Right, okay.
[15:11.000 --> 15:13.000]  Now the attorney's got a problem.
[15:13.000 --> 15:19.000]  And we do to this attorney like I did to my attorney the other day and tell them, you know, here's the deal.
[15:19.000 --> 15:21.000]  Yeah, how many grievances would you like?
[15:21.000 --> 15:22.000]  Exactly.
[15:22.000 --> 15:23.000]  In what order?
[15:23.000 --> 15:26.000]  Because that's what I was saying to her this afternoon.
[15:26.000 --> 15:34.000]  It's like I heard you talking last night about you like the attorney and you hated to do this to him, but it's not going to stop you from doing what's important and what's right.
[15:34.000 --> 15:35.000]  Right.
[15:35.000 --> 15:41.000]  And that's why we had the discussion we had earlier today and it's like, okay, who's going to go and do this?
[15:41.000 --> 15:50.000]  Who's going to go on the offensive today, Monday morning, whatever we've decided is the time to go on the offensive because we have only one week left and we don't want to put off again.
[15:50.000 --> 15:51.000]  Exactly.
[15:51.000 --> 15:56.000]  So if it's she or me, I don't care but, you know.
[15:56.000 --> 16:04.000]  Yeah, and if the attorney gets this and then talks to the client and the client says, this is what I'm going to do, the attorney absolutely has the option.
[16:04.000 --> 16:07.000]  Of doing her job.
[16:07.000 --> 16:08.000]  Right.
[16:07.000 --> 16:17.000]  Of actually adjudicating these and the attorney has plausible deniability and go to the court and say, look, or go to the prosecutor and say, these guys are going to crucify me.
[16:17.000 --> 16:18.000]  That's right.
[16:18.000 --> 16:19.000]  We're going to do our best.
[16:19.000 --> 16:35.000]  And, you know, nobody really wants to harm the attorney because, frankly, the attorneys to put in a spot here, I don't think any attorney goes to law school and thinks, well, when I get law at law school, I'm going to screw all my clients.
[16:35.000 --> 16:36.000]  Yeah.
[16:36.000 --> 16:38.000]  Well, let me just say, I hear the break coming.
[16:38.000 --> 16:43.000]  I did hear Wendy earlier saying the first one to quit loses.
[16:43.000 --> 16:44.000]  Yeah.
[16:44.000 --> 16:45.000]  I'm not going to quit.
[16:45.000 --> 16:49.000]  I'm looking forward to Eddie.
[16:49.000 --> 16:50.000]  Yeah, hang on the line.
[16:50.000 --> 16:51.000]  Hang on the line, Kathy.
[16:51.000 --> 16:52.000]  We're going to break.
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[18:50.000 --> 18:55.000]  They shut down, they shut down
[18:55.000 --> 18:59.000]  Everywhere you look, we're fighting
[18:59.000 --> 19:03.000]  We are cold
[19:03.000 --> 19:07.000]  And we know we are stronger
[19:07.000 --> 19:10.000]  We can't last very much longer
[19:10.000 --> 19:31.000]  So hold on
[19:31.000 --> 19:36.000]  Well there's a chance you know when you know the time goes by
[19:36.000 --> 19:42.000]  Such a strange feeling I don't know why it's taking
[19:42.000 --> 19:46.000]  Such a long time
[19:46.000 --> 19:50.000]  Backyard people in your room all day
[19:50.000 --> 19:52.000]  Tired of the beaches on the way
[19:52.000 --> 19:56.000]  That's the reason we keep changing
[19:56.000 --> 20:00.000]  Cause you make the world cry
[20:00.000 --> 20:04.000]  And we know we can get any stronger
[20:04.000 --> 20:07.000]  We can't make the world much longer
[20:07.000 --> 20:19.000]  So hold on
[20:19.000 --> 20:23.000]  Alright
[20:23.000 --> 20:26.000]  Turn to stone
[20:26.000 --> 20:29.000]  Backyard people and they work all day
[20:29.000 --> 20:31.000]  They're tired of the speeches
[20:31.000 --> 20:34.000]  And the way that the reasons keep changing
[20:34.000 --> 20:37.000]  Just to make the words rhyme
[20:37.000 --> 20:38.000]  People are getting sick of it
[20:38.000 --> 20:40.000]  We're not going to take it anymore
[20:40.000 --> 20:42.000]  Okay callers if you'd like to call in
[20:42.000 --> 20:44.000]  512-646-1984
[20:44.000 --> 20:47.000]  We're talking with Kathy right now
[20:47.000 --> 20:51.000]  Okay go ahead Randy
[20:51.000 --> 20:52.000]  Randy
[20:52.000 --> 20:55.000]  I have what I need from Randy right now
[20:55.000 --> 20:57.000]  So I don't need to take up everybody's air time
[20:57.000 --> 21:00.000]  But I do have one quick question maybe to throw out there
[21:00.000 --> 21:04.000]  When you start talking about mortgages in a little while
[21:04.000 --> 21:06.000]  And that question would be
[21:06.000 --> 21:11.000]  I've heard that if your mortgage has been sold to another lender
[21:11.000 --> 21:13.000]  If you will and you end up you're paying
[21:13.000 --> 21:17.000]  You get a thing in the mail that says now pay to this other place
[21:17.000 --> 21:19.000]  But if that happened a couple of times
[21:19.000 --> 21:21.000]  You can actually go back to the original lender
[21:21.000 --> 21:25.000]  And find your paid note
[21:25.000 --> 21:29.000]  If you go to that original lender and ask for your note
[21:29.000 --> 21:31.000]  Is that going to tip their hand
[21:31.000 --> 21:34.000]  And they'll go hide it or pass it on to the next guy
[21:34.000 --> 21:36.000]  Or is that something that you can just
[21:36.000 --> 21:37.000]  If you know who they are
[21:37.000 --> 21:39.000]  And know who should have had it paid off
[21:39.000 --> 21:41.000]  Can you just go get it
[21:41.000 --> 21:44.000]  Well the problem with going and getting it
[21:44.000 --> 21:48.000]  Is they don't have it
[21:48.000 --> 21:50.000]  The original lender when he sold the note
[21:50.000 --> 21:55.000]  Had to send the note with the sale
[21:55.000 --> 21:57.000]  But I thought they didn't always
[21:57.000 --> 22:01.000]  Well this is what Tony was going to talk about
[22:01.000 --> 22:02.000]  But something must have happened
[22:02.000 --> 22:04.000]  He hasn't been able to show up
[22:04.000 --> 22:06.000]  So we may do that Monday
[22:06.000 --> 22:08.000]  Okay
[22:08.000 --> 22:12.000]  Apparently for some reason the notes are shredded
[22:12.000 --> 22:13.000]  It's what Tony is saying
[22:13.000 --> 22:16.000]  He has the indication from the FBI
[22:16.000 --> 22:18.000]  That's told him that they shred them
[22:18.000 --> 22:19.000]  Okay
[22:19.000 --> 22:24.000]  And they've just passed new legislation to authorize the FBI
[22:24.000 --> 22:27.000]  To start going after these frauds
[22:27.000 --> 22:32.000]  And the problem the second purchaser has
[22:32.000 --> 22:35.000]  Is you don't know that person
[22:35.000 --> 22:38.000]  You didn't enter into a contract with that person
[22:38.000 --> 22:45.000]  So the person comes to you and claims that they have agency
[22:45.000 --> 22:48.000]  That they received agency from the principal
[22:48.000 --> 22:52.000]  Right and do you agree to that by sending them checks
[22:52.000 --> 22:54.000]  Is that agreement to that
[22:54.000 --> 23:00.000]  No you can't give them standing if they didn't have it
[23:00.000 --> 23:01.000]  Okay
[23:01.000 --> 23:04.000]  So all you are is defrauded by these people
[23:04.000 --> 23:06.000]  They claim to have standing to collect this money
[23:06.000 --> 23:08.000]  But how do you know
[23:08.000 --> 23:09.000]  Yes
[23:09.000 --> 23:11.000]  How do you know that once you get this all paid off
[23:11.000 --> 23:12.000]  Somebody else is going to come and say
[23:12.000 --> 23:16.000]  Hey you should have been paying that to me
[23:16.000 --> 23:17.000]  Yes
[23:17.000 --> 23:21.000]  And you say well show me the contract
[23:21.000 --> 23:24.000]  And what if they come up with the contract
[23:24.000 --> 23:25.000]  Now you've got a problem
[23:25.000 --> 23:26.000]  And they own my house
[23:26.000 --> 23:27.000]  Yes
[23:27.000 --> 23:32.000]  So how can you pay someone on a contract which they can't show you
[23:32.000 --> 23:41.000]  And in Ohio they've got about 70 cases that the federal court has thrown out
[23:41.000 --> 23:45.000]  And told the mortgage company don't come back into my court
[23:45.000 --> 23:55.000]  Without a wedding signature contract showing that you have an agreement with the purchaser
[23:55.000 --> 24:00.000]  Otherwise you don't have standing to be in front of my court
[24:00.000 --> 24:02.000]  That would be too good
[24:02.000 --> 24:04.000]  That's going to be interesting
[24:04.000 --> 24:05.000]  Okay well that's the next pursuit
[24:05.000 --> 24:08.000]  But we're going to get this criminal thing cleared up for us
[24:08.000 --> 24:09.000]  Yes
[24:09.000 --> 24:12.000]  But thank you so much both of you Debra and Randy
[24:12.000 --> 24:14.000]  Thank you for doing what you do
[24:14.000 --> 24:18.000]  And just keep doing it and I'll try and do more
[24:18.000 --> 24:19.000]  Thank you
[24:19.000 --> 24:20.000]  Thank you Kathy
[24:20.000 --> 24:21.000]  Okay bye-bye
[24:21.000 --> 24:27.000]  Okay bye-bye
[24:27.000 --> 24:36.000]  Eddie we were talking about on the break that you were putting together a civil petition
[24:36.000 --> 24:38.000]  Correct
[24:38.000 --> 24:49.000]  Can you kind of give everybody an idea of what's involved in putting together a civil petition
[24:49.000 --> 24:52.000]  A lot of typing
[24:52.000 --> 25:00.000]  Well basically speaking what I've done with this one is this is what we would call a notice of tort letter
[25:00.000 --> 25:04.000]  It's going to be sent to Nacogdoches County
[25:04.000 --> 25:08.000]  And I'm going to send it to each of the county commissioners in turn
[25:08.000 --> 25:14.000]  And I have listed the specific county officials that have violated the laws of the state
[25:14.000 --> 25:21.000]  I've basically formatted it the same as it would be as if it was a complaint filed in the court
[25:21.000 --> 25:30.000]  But without the upper part embodying the court jurisdiction, my information as plaintiff and them as defendant
[25:30.000 --> 25:40.000]  The top of it looks more just like a form letter but the body of it very much resembles an actual motion for a lawsuit
[25:40.000 --> 25:51.000]  And what I've done is I have laid out each specific accusation made, lined it up with the specific law that was violated
[25:51.000 --> 26:02.000]  How the action by the person accused committed the violation and explained basically why it's unacceptable
[26:02.000 --> 26:07.000]  And I've done that for each separate position that I have as a cause of action
[26:07.000 --> 26:14.000]  Yeah, did you specify each one as a cause of action in terms of the elements of the cause of action?
[26:14.000 --> 26:21.000]  Yes, I have done that by actually specifying the violation of the actual law in question
[26:21.000 --> 26:24.000]  Which in turn violated my rights and my property
[26:24.000 --> 26:37.000]  Good. I need to get you a copy of O'Connor's causes of action because when they violate a law, that's a tort
[26:37.000 --> 26:38.000]  Right
[26:38.000 --> 26:42.000]  And there's a lot more behind that that we can claim as causes of action
[26:42.000 --> 26:47.000]  I think we should back up a little bit and explain a tort letter
[26:47.000 --> 27:02.000]  Okay, a tort letter is used to pre-inform some person or entity that you intend to seek civil action against them
[27:02.000 --> 27:05.000]  for whatever harm they've committed against you
[27:05.000 --> 27:15.000]  In Texas law, if you are doing it against a governmental entity, they have to be informed no less than 60 days prior to the filing of any suit
[27:15.000 --> 27:23.000]  So that they may have time to perform a remedy that you have either requested within the body of the tort letter
[27:23.000 --> 27:28.000]  Or to refuse remedy and therefore justify your cause of action
[27:28.000 --> 27:36.000]  Yes, the courts say that you should use the court as a remedy of last resort and not first resort
[27:36.000 --> 27:45.000]  So therefore prior to entering, moving the court to settle your dispute, you need to exercise administrative remedy
[27:45.000 --> 27:53.000]  And what the case law has held is that one administrative remedy is all you have to seek
[27:53.000 --> 28:01.000]  If there are more possible ones out there, you don't have to go to every possible imaginable remedy
[28:01.000 --> 28:03.000]  You only have to seek one and have it turned down
[28:03.000 --> 28:12.000]  And the standard one when you're going after public officials is a tort letter to the officials or the county to whom you're going to sue
[28:12.000 --> 28:15.000]  And they get 60 days to respond
[28:15.000 --> 28:20.000]  The one we did in Amarillo, they responded in just a couple of weeks
[28:20.000 --> 28:26.000]  So they shortened up the time appreciably which was, we appreciated that, that worked out real nice
[28:26.000 --> 28:35.000]  But anyway, everybody should, if you're dealing with public officials, tort letters are so powerful
[28:35.000 --> 28:42.000]  It's one thing to go in there and say, if you do that, I'm going to sue you
[28:42.000 --> 28:44.000]  You know, they hear that all the time
[28:44.000 --> 28:54.000]  But when they get registered mail, a letter that the attorney looks at and says, bubba, this is a tort letter
[28:54.000 --> 28:57.000]  These guys are coming after you
[28:57.000 --> 29:00.000]  If I say it, it can be a lie
[29:00.000 --> 29:03.000]  But if they think it, then it's true
[29:03.000 --> 29:10.000]  And always if you get them to recognize that you're going to do something without you telling them
[29:10.000 --> 29:16.000]  They will always think it's going to be worse than probably it actually is
[29:16.000 --> 29:17.000]  That's your hope
[29:17.000 --> 29:19.000]  That's my hope
[29:19.000 --> 29:29.000]  And yeah, this one actually involves 32 specific points regarding the violations of law by these specific public officials
[29:29.000 --> 29:35.000]  This is all in relation to the comptroller's actions against me
[29:35.000 --> 29:37.000]  Okay, hold on, hold on, Eddie
[29:37.000 --> 29:39.000]  We're going to take a quick break here
[29:39.000 --> 29:44.000]  I want to hear more about this comptroller, the actions of the comptroller
[29:44.000 --> 29:47.000]  We have a caller on the line, also Randy from Texas
[29:47.000 --> 29:48.000]  We'll be right back
[29:48.000 --> 30:12.000]  This is the Wheel of Law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, and Eddie Kreuk
[30:48.000 --> 30:52.000]  Call us at 800-874-9760
[30:52.000 --> 30:58.000]  We're Roberts & Roberts Brokerage, 800-874-9760
[30:58.000 --> 31:21.000]  Everywhere I hear the sound of bars in Georgia Seaside
[31:21.000 --> 31:30.000]  Cause momma's here and the time is right for rising into the street, boy
[31:30.000 --> 31:34.000]  I don't know what to count for, but what to do?
[31:34.000 --> 31:38.000]  Let's just play for our program
[31:38.000 --> 31:48.000]  Cause the sleep has dawned on town, there's just no place for divided man
[31:48.000 --> 31:58.000]  No
[31:58.000 --> 32:07.000]  Hey, think the time is right for a balanced revolution
[32:07.000 --> 32:16.000]  But where I live the game, play a compromise solution
[32:16.000 --> 32:20.000]  Well, I don't know what to count for, but what to do?
[32:20.000 --> 32:24.000]  Let's just play for our program
[32:24.000 --> 32:34.000]  Cause the sleep has dawned on town, there's just no place for divided man
[32:34.000 --> 32:44.000]  No
[32:44.000 --> 32:57.000]  Hey, think the time is right for a balanced revolution
[32:57.000 --> 33:07.000]  But where I live the game, play a compromise solution
[33:07.000 --> 33:15.000]  Well, I don't know what to count for, but what to do? Let's just play for our program
[33:15.000 --> 33:38.000]  Cause the sleep has dawned on town, there's just no place for divided man
[33:45.000 --> 33:48.000]  Hey Craig, so Eddie, you were about to tell us about the Comptroller
[33:48.000 --> 33:51.000]  The actions of the Comptroller
[33:51.000 --> 33:55.000]  Yeah, as you all recall, they came in and they seized my place of business
[33:55.000 --> 33:59.000]  Sealed it up and basically have done their best to run me out of business
[33:59.000 --> 34:04.000]  Without any court order, without any due process of any kind
[34:04.000 --> 34:08.000]  Just on the notion that they can do what they want because they're the Comptroller
[34:08.000 --> 34:16.000]  So I immediately went down and attempted to file criminal charges against the Comptroller personnel
[34:16.000 --> 34:24.000]  And the municipal police that assisted them, knowing full well that the Comptroller was not in possession of a warrant or a court order
[34:24.000 --> 34:33.000]  And of course, every local government official that was required to accept the complaint refused to accept the complaint
[34:33.000 --> 34:38.000]  And in so doing, I have now been forced out of my rental agreement for this building
[34:38.000 --> 34:45.000]  And am being told to vacate by my landlord
[34:45.000 --> 34:56.000]  And so now I have actually scheduled an appointment for Tuesday from 2.30 to 3.30 with Judge Hand in Roanoke, Texas
[34:56.000 --> 35:00.000]  To go before him and submit the criminal complaints there
[35:00.000 --> 35:02.000]  Wonderful
[35:02.000 --> 35:05.000]  You will like Judge Hand
[35:05.000 --> 35:07.000]  Well, let's hope he likes me
[35:07.000 --> 35:15.000]  Well, the one thing he does is he does what the law says and he doesn't care who likes it
[35:15.000 --> 35:19.000]  The last time I talked to him, he said that he's in Denton County
[35:19.000 --> 35:26.000]  He said the county judges had sent him some nasty letters not liking what he was doing
[35:26.000 --> 35:33.000]  And he sent them a letter back saying, well, you know, I really hate to hear that, but you didn't elect me into office
[35:33.000 --> 35:37.000]  The people did and I will follow the law
[35:37.000 --> 35:42.000]  So he will actually, he put the law in his hand, he will follow the law
[35:42.000 --> 35:46.000]  And that's exactly what we need more of
[35:46.000 --> 36:00.000]  And what this has finally motivated me to do is I honestly believe that I am on the verge of seeking to be elected to the office of sheriff of Nacogdoches County
[36:00.000 --> 36:03.000]  Oh, right
[36:03.000 --> 36:05.000]  Got my support
[36:05.000 --> 36:13.000]  And you'll have to pardon the expression, but you are going to see one heck of a lump of crap hit the fan if that happens
[36:13.000 --> 36:15.000]  I bet
[36:15.000 --> 36:24.000]  Well, if we have enough people in Nacogdoches County who are upset and a good chance you do, this could really happen
[36:24.000 --> 36:36.000]  You might look at all the people who've been arrested and send them a mailing showing how they have been disenfranchised
[36:36.000 --> 36:39.000]  That would not be a bad idea
[36:39.000 --> 36:40.000]  Not bad at all
[36:40.000 --> 36:45.000]  I just picked up a folder the other day
[36:45.000 --> 36:52.000]  You set it in front of the printer and the printer prints out the page and it runs into this folder and it folds them and all you got to do is stick it in the envelope
[36:52.000 --> 36:56.000]  I don't have an envelope figure yet
[36:56.000 --> 37:00.000]  But we're getting ready
[37:00.000 --> 37:02.000]  I would very much like to see that happen
[37:02.000 --> 37:04.000]  Excellent
[37:04.000 --> 37:08.000]  We have a call on the line also, we've got Randy, would you like to take the call?
[37:08.000 --> 37:09.000]  Yes
[37:09.000 --> 37:10.000]  All right
[37:10.000 --> 37:13.000]  Randy, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[37:13.000 --> 37:17.000]  Well, I was just thinking about these promissory notes
[37:17.000 --> 37:22.000]  You know, I mean, the person that's signing them, the borrower is the maker
[37:22.000 --> 37:24.000]  Wait, what promissory notes?
[37:24.000 --> 37:27.000]  Wait, what promissory notes?
[37:27.000 --> 37:29.000]  For a mortgage
[37:29.000 --> 37:36.000]  Oh, okay, can you explain that so those who aren't familiar will understand what you're talking about?
[37:36.000 --> 37:44.000]  Well, the maker is the one who borrows the money, he's making the notes promising to pay to the promisee, correct?
[37:44.000 --> 37:46.000]  I think so
[37:46.000 --> 37:54.000]  And so, but here's the deal, and if you go look at all your mortgages, the only person that's signing these things is the maker
[37:54.000 --> 38:03.000]  The person borrowing the money supposedly, which we all know isn't real money, it's just credit generated on signature
[38:03.000 --> 38:16.000]  But the thing is, is if there's no promisee or the holder of the note, which is the lender basically, in this case, signing
[38:16.000 --> 38:24.000]  the document is open-ended because the contract hasn't been sealed and set, so you can always go in and change it
[38:24.000 --> 38:30.000]  So, you can put your name on it?
[38:30.000 --> 38:45.000]  Well, okay, you're the bank, Randy Kelton, I'm Randy R., I sign the promissory note, and you're supposed to lend me $100,000
[38:45.000 --> 38:54.000]  You don't really lend me $100,000, but you, through the banking system, create $100,000 in credit and I go buy a house
[38:54.000 --> 39:09.000]  But I'm the only signatory on the documentation, how can you limit me from modifying it in the future if you don't sign it and seal it?
[39:09.000 --> 39:25.000]  That's a good question. Once I produce the credit, which allows the possession of the real property, the thing of value
[39:25.000 --> 39:36.000]  to transfer into your possession, or your constructed possession, then something of value has changed hands and a contract has been created
[39:36.000 --> 39:39.000]  Correct, but you've never signed
[39:39.000 --> 39:47.000]  So, the contract is, although it's in force, it appears not complete
[39:47.000 --> 39:56.000]  Right, so I have full authority to alter it at will, and now here's the other thing is, you actually didn't produce the credit, I did
[39:56.000 --> 40:02.000]  You took my credit, turned it around, and lent it back to me
[40:02.000 --> 40:08.000]  That was something else I was going to say to what you just said, Randy, that in fact there has been nothing of value loaned
[40:08.000 --> 40:20.000]  because the bank put up no money of any kind, and it was not until they purchased the borrower's signature that that money or slash credit
[40:20.000 --> 40:23.000]  actually evolved and was created out of thin air
[40:23.000 --> 40:29.000]  Yeah, and it's total fraud because you can't loan something that you never had to begin with, so they're lying
[40:29.000 --> 40:37.000]  No, the only point I was making that a contract is not created until something of value changes hands
[40:37.000 --> 40:46.000]  So, when the borrower takes possession of the physical property, that thing has value
[40:46.000 --> 40:52.000]  Now something of value has changed hands from the original seller to the buyer
[40:52.000 --> 40:59.000]  The bank is sitting over here, he didn't actually put the thing of value in your hand, the seller did
[40:59.000 --> 41:02.000]  Yeah, that has nothing to do with the bank
[41:02.000 --> 41:05.000]  Regardless, the contract was created
[41:05.000 --> 41:07.000]  Not with the bank
[41:07.000 --> 41:20.000]  Because the bank didn't sign off on the mortgage, they have no control over the contract because they haven't basically agreed to the terms
[41:20.000 --> 41:31.000]  They've gone ahead and done what they've done, which they have a special privilege via the Federal Reserve System to create credit on your signature
[41:31.000 --> 41:40.000]  And then they've given that to the seller in exchange for the seller giving you culpable title to the property
[41:40.000 --> 41:43.000]  But the bank has really done nothing
[41:43.000 --> 41:57.000]  Now they're going to try and do an in-run and take that credit that was created by you and assume it for themselves is the way I understand this
[41:57.000 --> 42:03.000]  But they never sign anything, so therefore we can modify these contracts at will
[42:03.000 --> 42:11.000]  Because the first thing I ever learned in college was a contract on a promissory note has to have a maker and a promissor
[42:11.000 --> 42:18.000]  And the promissor and the maker have to sign it for it to be valid, in other words, where it cannot be modified
[42:18.000 --> 42:21.000]  Okay, so let's examine what's happened here
[42:21.000 --> 42:28.000]  I create the credit from my treasury account
[42:28.000 --> 42:31.000]  Now are you the banker?
[42:31.000 --> 42:36.000]  I'm sorry, you create the credit from your treasury account
[42:36.000 --> 42:42.000]  I don't know where I get the credit. My credit is my signature because I'm promising to pay
[42:42.000 --> 42:50.000]  Okay, you create the credit. The bank has contributed nothing
[42:50.000 --> 42:59.000]  But they have special privilege to take something, commercial paper, and monetize it and turn it into Federal Reserve credit
[42:59.000 --> 43:06.000]  Where do they get that special privilege and where are the codes and statutes that define that privilege?
[43:06.000 --> 43:07.000]  Federal Reserve Act
[43:07.000 --> 43:13.000]  From conference, the Congress, and the Federal Reserve Act caps
[43:13.000 --> 43:18.000]  There's an element of fraud in this because they're not telling you the truth
[43:18.000 --> 43:22.000]  Lack of full disclosure, fraud by non-disclosure
[43:22.000 --> 43:23.000]  Right
[43:23.000 --> 43:26.000]  And what full truth are they not telling you?
[43:26.000 --> 43:34.000]  That the credit that is being issued is my own credit and they're taking it and then they're asking me to pay it back
[43:34.000 --> 43:38.000]  How is that relevant if I agree to do that?
[43:38.000 --> 43:44.000]  Well, but they're also saying in the contract, Randy, that they are loaning you something of value, which they are not
[43:44.000 --> 43:51.000]  Plus, you would also at that point have to establish an account at the bank and fill out a signature card
[43:51.000 --> 44:00.000]  And on the back of the signature card, it specifically tells you that you are now agreeing to numerous other rules and regulations
[44:00.000 --> 44:05.000]  That the bank has in place that are not being disclosed to you at that time
[44:05.000 --> 44:07.000]  So, lack of full disclosure
[44:07.000 --> 44:13.000]  Well, here's the thing, if we had real money, this couldn't happen, but we don't
[44:13.000 --> 44:15.000]  We're all dealing in commercial paper
[44:15.000 --> 44:29.000]  One specific one is the Federal Reserve Note and therefore we're doing bank, what do they call it, bookkeeping entries to create this credit
[44:29.000 --> 44:31.000]  Yes, that's exactly right
[44:31.000 --> 44:37.000]  And let me just, I just want to tell you, Randy, from my experience, I used to work at a bank, okay
[44:37.000 --> 44:40.000]  And I was in the accounting department
[44:40.000 --> 44:51.000]  And I was one of the people responsible for making sure all the accounts were in order and everything was properly notated, so to speak, okay
[44:51.000 --> 44:55.000]  I had access to all the accounts at the bank except for the loan department
[44:55.000 --> 45:00.000]  That was, I mean, I could access that, but I never dealt in that area, all right
[45:00.000 --> 45:06.000]  And I'll tell you, I was working right under the head manager of this bank
[45:06.000 --> 45:16.000]  And the most important thing, all day long, nobody could go home until the Federal Reserve account was zeroed out, okay
[45:16.000 --> 45:24.000]  In other words, we couldn't have the Fed owing the bank money or the bank owing the Federal Reserve money
[45:24.000 --> 45:29.000]  Every, I mean, there would be many, obviously, thousands of transactions through that account every day
[45:29.000 --> 45:36.000]  But that account had to zero out every day, period, end of story
[45:36.000 --> 45:45.000]  So the thing is, if the bank's making a loan, quote unquote, which we all know it's not really a loan, where did they get the money from?
[45:45.000 --> 45:52.000]  We're working on a dual entry accounting system here, at least what I was dealing with
[45:52.000 --> 46:00.000]  So that means if there's a debit, there has to be a credit, that means the Federal Reserve had to credit the bank that money
[46:00.000 --> 46:05.000]  In order for the bank to be able to cut the check to the seller
[46:05.000 --> 46:13.000]  However, in the loan department, you've got, apparently they're doing a single entry accounting system
[46:13.000 --> 46:19.000]  Because if it zeroed out at the Federal Reserve account, then, do you see what I'm saying?
[46:19.000 --> 46:25.000]  There should have been a discrepancy, there should have been a debit there, but there wasn't, it zeroed out
[46:25.000 --> 46:28.000]  So that means they're totally committing fraud
[46:28.000 --> 46:33.000]  There's two sets of books, there's obviously two sets of books inside these banks
[46:33.000 --> 46:39.000]  I was dealing with the above board set of books, I never saw the other set of books
[46:39.000 --> 46:47.000]  Well, they're monetizing that note, and that's the point, and that's because there's no real money
[46:47.000 --> 46:55.000]  They monetize the debts, and it's our signature that creates the supposed money
[46:55.000 --> 47:02.000]  And then they're absconding with it, and they're turning around and taking it, so they've already paid themselves off
[47:02.000 --> 47:13.000]  And then they go and lend it again, and we're the ones holding the bag, paying interest, our sweat equity on these things, as I understand it
[47:13.000 --> 47:22.000]  And it makes total sense, my professor in UT was a member of the Federal Reserve, and I learned a whole lot about this stuff
[47:22.000 --> 47:31.000]  And I had another good professor in my law classes, and even back then I couldn't quite put the pieces together
[47:31.000 --> 47:41.000]  But it all made sense that there was a big scam going down, and I didn't quite understand it, but now I think I do
[47:41.000 --> 47:46.000]  Yeah, that's the way I see it too, that's the way I see it too, Randy
[47:46.000 --> 48:00.000]  The thing I have trouble with is getting beyond the rationalizations, the reasoning, and getting down to the actual statutory requirements
[48:00.000 --> 48:04.000]  There has to be a statutory structure they're going by
[48:04.000 --> 48:13.000]  Well, if you look at the statutes, Randy, and I know you and I have talked about this many times, and it's a big problem, it's a big problem for me
[48:13.000 --> 48:19.000]  The problem really comes down to always the fact that there's no real money
[48:19.000 --> 48:24.000]  Everything kind of revolves around this money issue, but there's no real money
[48:24.000 --> 48:30.000]  So when they say, do this and this, and they say you're transferring money, we're not transferring money
[48:30.000 --> 48:37.000]  We're not transferring money, we have no money, we're just transferring debits and credits around in a bookkeeping system
[48:37.000 --> 48:43.000]  That has no real, honest to God, valued money in it at all
[48:43.000 --> 48:48.000]  And that makes it all colorable, and then it starts to spin out of control from there
[48:48.000 --> 48:55.000]  But the magician is saying to you, don't look over here and realize that there's no money
[48:55.000 --> 49:00.000]  Pretend that what we're passing around is money, and if you pretend then it makes sense
[49:00.000 --> 49:07.000]  But when you look at it and you say there's no money, then it doesn't make sense because what are these people doing?
[49:07.000 --> 49:20.000]  The problem I'm having is, I guess my engineering background, is we're trying to develop axioms and theorems based on indefinite postulates
[49:20.000 --> 49:28.000]  We're proposing certain things to be true and accurate without demonstrating how they're trying
[49:28.000 --> 49:32.000]  Well, I can definitely demonstrate it from when I worked at the bank
[49:32.000 --> 49:37.000]  I know for sure that's what happened, because I saw the entries, I saw the bookkeeping entries
[49:37.000 --> 49:43.000]  When they made a loan, the Federal Reserve credited the account, period, that's in the story
[49:43.000 --> 49:51.000]  I mean, I saw it with my own eyes, okay? So that's not just a hypothetical deal
[49:51.000 --> 49:57.000]  No, I'm trying to find things I can take into court, and I need statute, chapter, and verse
[49:57.000 --> 50:09.000]  Either statute authorizing them to do this, or to be able to say there is no statute authorizing them to do this, therefore they may not be
[50:09.000 --> 50:13.000]  Well, I think that's the Federal Reserve Act, Randy
[50:13.000 --> 50:19.000]  You're saying where's the hydraulic fluid, okay? Where's the money, okay?
[50:19.000 --> 50:23.000]  The Federal Reserve, if you go to their own website, will tell you there's no money
[50:23.000 --> 50:26.000]  It's all credit, period
[50:26.000 --> 50:36.000]  And that's like the little weird thing that sits in the middle of this that transforms it all
[50:36.000 --> 50:46.000]  Because everyone thinks that this piece of paper in your pocket is a dollar, and it's not, and it never was, and it cannot be
[50:46.000 --> 50:53.000]  And so they make all this stuff around all that, that there's real dollars floating around, but there's not
[50:53.000 --> 50:58.000]  Yeah, and also Randy, and I'm talking to Randy Kelton here
[50:58.000 --> 51:04.000]  You have to remember that the Federal Reserve is a private central bank, okay?
[51:04.000 --> 51:08.000]  It's not part of our government to be governed by statutes
[51:08.000 --> 51:17.000]  The Federal Reserve Act, Congress gave them authority to deal with this money that's not money and manage it
[51:17.000 --> 51:24.000]  And if anyone out there has seen, I was telling someone the other day, if anyone out there has seen the Obama deception
[51:24.000 --> 51:31.000]  Which is a fantastic documentary on the whole banking system fraud from beginning to end
[51:31.000 --> 51:34.000]  And how Obama is part of it all
[51:34.000 --> 51:37.000]  There was some, I think it was on CNN or something, I can't remember
[51:37.000 --> 51:41.000]  Some mainstream media interview with Alan Greenspan
[51:41.000 --> 51:51.000]  And the anchor was asking Alan Greenspan what he thought the proper relationship should be between the chairman of the Federal Reserve
[51:51.000 --> 51:54.000]  And the secretary of the treasury or the president
[51:54.000 --> 51:59.000]  And Alan Greenspan said, speaking from the point of view of the Federal Reserve
[51:59.000 --> 52:08.000]  He said, well, you know, as long as we get to do whatever we want and make whatever decisions we want
[52:08.000 --> 52:13.000]  And not have to tell anyone what we're doing and not have to show anything about what we're doing
[52:13.000 --> 52:16.000]  As far as bookkeeping or audits or anything like that
[52:16.000 --> 52:20.000]  And we get to make the rules and we get to basically just do whatever we want
[52:20.000 --> 52:28.000]  And as long as Congress or the president or nobody else tries to stop us or get in our way or legislate to control us
[52:28.000 --> 52:35.000]  Well, then it really doesn't matter what the relationship is between the chairman of the Federal Reserve and the president
[52:35.000 --> 52:43.000]  You can make it whatever you want as long as they remain completely untouchable and all-powerful
[52:43.000 --> 52:46.000]  So, Randy, I think that's your answer, okay?
[52:46.000 --> 52:54.000]  And what's going on now is that Ron Paul's trying to get this bill passed to audit the Fed and end it
[52:54.000 --> 52:58.000]  See, the problem is that there, I don't think there is much statute, okay?
[52:58.000 --> 53:04.000]  These guys are total mafia, banksters, and they're completely out of control
[53:04.000 --> 53:07.000]  And they totally run our government
[53:07.000 --> 53:11.000]  And here's something else I learned about that movie, the Obama deception
[53:11.000 --> 53:21.000]  Every single appointment the man has made of his cabinet, I mean, I'm talking hundreds of appointments
[53:21.000 --> 53:26.000]  You go down the list, every single, yeah, I'm talking about Obama
[53:26.000 --> 53:31.000]  Every single one of his appointments of people that he's appointed to different positions
[53:31.000 --> 53:37.000]  That even made positions up, all of them are either a member of the Council of Foreign Relations
[53:37.000 --> 53:42.000]  Or the Bilderberg Group or the Trilateral Commission or all three, okay?
[53:42.000 --> 53:47.000]  Every single one of these people is involved with big banking and Wall Street
[53:47.000 --> 53:58.000]  There's no one to represent the labor force or management or agriculture or industry or manufacturing or education
[53:58.000 --> 54:01.000]  Not even big pharma, okay?
[54:01.000 --> 54:08.000]  Not even the medical industry, no one even represents oil interests, nothing, absolutely nothing
[54:08.000 --> 54:12.000]  All of his appointments represent Wall Street, every single one
[54:12.000 --> 54:19.000]  And the guy appoints Timothy Geithner, who is the president of the Second Federal Reserve Bank
[54:19.000 --> 54:27.000]  That's who our Secretary of the Treasury is now, I mean, it's so in your face, it's horrible
[54:27.000 --> 54:33.000]  I don't know what can be done about it, really, but you know, that's what's going on, all right?
[54:33.000 --> 54:40.000]  It's just total hijacking of our government by Wall Street, by the banking industry, period
[54:40.000 --> 54:43.000]  Okay, we've got more callers
[54:43.000 --> 54:48.000]  We have more callers, we've got, and we also have our guests up
[54:48.000 --> 54:55.000]  We've got, do you have anything else for us, Randy, before we go on?
[54:55.000 --> 55:01.000]  After that one, I'm going to kind of bow out there, but I'll stand by
[55:01.000 --> 55:03.000]  Yeah, it's pretty hardcore, isn't it?
[55:03.000 --> 55:10.000]  No, I think you're totally right, and the sad thing is that I think that you're exactly right
[55:10.000 --> 55:17.000]  And what Randy and I both want is that we want to see law that supports us in our positions
[55:17.000 --> 55:18.000]  I would too
[55:18.000 --> 55:28.000]  The problem is that I think that there is a gap possibly on purpose that does not support what's really going on
[55:28.000 --> 55:32.000]  And they just sort of, you know, make it up as they go type deal
[55:32.000 --> 55:35.000]  Exactly, that's what I think too
[55:35.000 --> 55:39.000]  All right, well thanks, Randy
[55:39.000 --> 55:43.000]  Okay, we're going to go on now, we've got Joe in Ohio
[55:43.000 --> 55:46.000]  Hey Joe, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[55:46.000 --> 55:52.000]  Yeah, just want to let you guys know that, you know what, you're probably about 20 years behind
[55:52.000 --> 55:56.000]  All this has been done already by another guy out in Arizona
[55:56.000 --> 56:00.000]  This has been done by probably a hundred guys
[56:00.000 --> 56:02.000]  So should we stop talking about it all together?
[56:02.000 --> 56:05.000]  What's been done? What are you talking about?
[56:05.000 --> 56:10.000]  Okay, there's a fellow out in Arizona named Tom Schaaf who's a certified public accountant
[56:10.000 --> 56:15.000]  He wrote two books on this, volume one and two about, I've got one book here
[56:15.000 --> 56:19.000]  It says America's hope to cancel bank loans without going to court
[56:19.000 --> 56:27.000]  I still don't understand your first statement that this has all been done and we're 20 years behind
[56:27.000 --> 56:33.000]  I don't understand what you're talking about, what are we doing that has already been done, what do you mean?
[56:33.000 --> 56:36.000]  Okay, I just found out about this in mid-90s
[56:36.000 --> 56:40.000]  But Tom Schaaf went through everything that you guys are talking about
[56:40.000 --> 56:43.000]  This is not new material
[56:43.000 --> 56:46.000]  Yeah, I know, so what are we supposed to do, not talk about it?
[56:46.000 --> 56:50.000]  No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying there's a reference for you
[56:50.000 --> 56:52.000]  Okay, all right
[56:52.000 --> 56:53.000]  There's a reference
[56:53.000 --> 56:57.000]  Well, I don't think I'm 20 years behind, I've been studying this for a long time
[56:57.000 --> 57:01.000]  Okay, well I didn't mean to apply it that way, I'm just throwing you an ally here
[57:01.000 --> 57:02.000]  Okay, thanks
[57:02.000 --> 57:06.000]  Yeah, I'm sorry I misunderstood
[57:06.000 --> 57:14.000]  It is complex and I would be more articulate but it's not my particular study
[57:14.000 --> 57:19.000]  Well, Tom was like say a certified public accountant and he's also an expert witness
[57:19.000 --> 57:24.000]  and he went through a lot of court trials testifying on this
[57:24.000 --> 57:30.000]  So that documentation that you are probably seeking exists
[57:30.000 --> 57:35.000]  He might have it, okay, what's the name of his publication?
[57:35.000 --> 57:45.000]  Well, one of the books I've got here is America's Hope to Cancel Bank Loans Without Going to Court, volume one
[57:45.000 --> 57:51.000]  And he's got the volume two, he titled American Voters, This is the Banking System,
[57:51.000 --> 57:55.000]  A Technical Guide to America's Hope, volume two
[57:55.000 --> 57:59.000]  And both by Tom Schaaf, of course
[57:59.000 --> 58:01.000]  And that's C-H-A-U-F
[58:01.000 --> 58:04.000]  All right, well thank you, we appreciate that
[58:04.000 --> 58:06.000]  Okay, you might want to look them up
[58:06.000 --> 58:07.000]  Sure, thanks
[58:07.000 --> 58:08.000]  Sure, come back
[58:08.000 --> 58:13.000]  Okay, all right, we are going to break the top of the hour, we've got our guest
[58:13.000 --> 58:20.000]  John, who will be talking about investigative procedures of law enforcement
[58:20.000 --> 58:44.000]  We'll be right back
[58:50.000 --> 59:15.000]  We'll be right back
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[01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:34.000]  Forget sounds good
[01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:40.000]  Forget I'm not sure I could
[01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:46.000]  They say that I need everything
[01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:52.000]  But I'm still waiting
[01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:58.000]  I'm through with doubt
[01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:03.000]  Nothing left for me to figure out
[01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:09.000]  I paid a price
[01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:15.000]  And I'll keep paying
[01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.000]  I'm not ready to make nice
[01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.000]  I'm not ready to back down
[01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.000]  I'm still mad as hell
[01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:27.000]  And I don't have time to go round and round and round
[01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.000]  It's too late to make it right
[01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.000]  I probably wouldn't if I could
[01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:34.000]  Cause I'm mad as hell
[01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:41.000]  Can't bring myself to do what it is you think I should
[01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.000]  I know
[01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:49.000]  You said
[01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.000]  Can't you just get over
[01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.000]  This hurt
[01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:58.000]  My whole world
[01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:04.000]  I kinda like it
[01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.000]  Made my bed and it feels like a baby
[01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.000]  No regrets and I don't mind saying
[01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000]  It's sad, sad stories and a mother will tease her daughter
[01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.000]  That she ought to hate her perfect stranger
[01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.000]  And how in the world can the words that I said
[01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.000]  Give to somebody so over the edge
[01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.000]  That they don't grab me a letter
[01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.000]  Saying that I better forget everything
[01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:33.000]  Or my life will be over
[01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:43.000]  I'm not ready to make nice
[01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.000]  I'm not ready to back down
[01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.000]  I'm still mad as hell
[01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:52.000]  And I don't have time to go round and round and round
[01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.000]  It's too late to make it right
[01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:58.000]  I probably wouldn't if I could
[01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:59.000]  Cause I'm mad as hell
[01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:06.000]  Can't bring myself to do what it is you think I should
[01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.000]  I'm not ready to back down
[01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.000]  I'm still mad as hell
[01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:15.000]  And I don't have time to go round and round and round
[01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.000]  It's too late to make it right
[01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:21.000]  I probably wouldn't if I could
[01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.000]  Cause I'm mad as hell
[01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:30.000]  Can't bring myself to do what it is you think I should
[01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:40.000]  What it is you think I should
[01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.000]  All right, we are back.
[01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:50.000]  Forgive, sounds good, forget, I don't think so.
[01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:55.000]  Not going to bring myself to do what it is you think I should.
[01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.000]  Aim into that.
[01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.000]  All right, we are here with John,
[01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:04.000]  and he's going to talk to us about investigative procedures.
[01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.000]  So go ahead, Randy, you have some questions for John.
[01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:13.000]  Yeah, I wanted to get an idea of how a police officer,
[01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:18.000]  when he's investigating a criminal act,
[01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:24.000]  what the proper techniques and what the proper procedures are
[01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.000]  that will keep you out of trouble when you get into court.
[01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.000]  We kind of touched on this yesterday of how, you know,
[01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:37.000]  sometimes policemen are really trying to get information for you,
[01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.000]  information to use in a proper investigation,
[01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.000]  and sometimes they're not.
[01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.000]  And how do we tell the difference?
[01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:48.000]  How do we tell when a policeman is acting properly?
[01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.000]  Well, okay.
[01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.000]  First of all, thank you for letting me be on the show,
[01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:58.000]  and I appreciate it very much.
[01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:05.000]  Randy, to give you just a little bit, and our listeners here,
[01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:10.000]  I spent over 12 and a half years with the Texas Attorney General
[01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:15.000]  as a Medicaid fraud investigator, criminal investigator,
[01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:18.000]  and working on white-collar crime,
[01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:23.000]  dealing with health care fraud, money laundering, that type of thing.
[01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:29.000]  And so, you know, and of course obviously I was a network police officer.
[01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:36.000]  I started my career as an investigator and moved up the ladder from there,
[01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:39.000]  worked on federal task forces.
[01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:40.000]  I've gone to grand jury.
[01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:42.000]  I've presented cases in court.
[01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:47.000]  I've sat table with the prosecutors during trial.
[01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.000]  I've been in plea negotiations.
[01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.000]  I've also written and served search warrants.
[01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:00.000]  So I have a pretty good grounding across the board, if you will,
[01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:05.000]  on the procedure from start to finish, which is one of the reasons I like being an investigator
[01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.000]  as opposed to, let's say, a police officer,
[01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:12.000]  because I could actually take a case from start to finish, if you will,
[01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:17.000]  from the initial contact all the way through to trial.
[01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.000]  The police officers, if you want to think of a police officer,
[01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:24.000]  most people think in the terms of a patrol officer,
[01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.000]  these people are responding to a crime.
[01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:36.000]  And so their function is to get initial information and secure a crime scene.
[01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:42.000]  And then at that point detectives and everything are going to come in.
[01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:48.000]  Where you start running afoul with the police officers
[01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:53.000]  is when they're wanting to take statements in the field,
[01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:56.000]  they're not mirandizing properly,
[01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:04.000]  they're using intimidation force, you know,
[01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:07.000]  violating your civil rights and police brutality.
[01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:13.000]  I think something that's gone viral recently is that case
[01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:21.000]  where the Arkansas was Oklahoma state troopers pulled over that ambulance
[01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:27.000]  and roughed up the paramedic in the back.
[01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.000]  I don't know if you all are familiar with that or not.
[01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:30.000]  What?
[01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.000]  Yes, I saw the video.
[01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  That is preposterous.
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:37.000]  A man's wife has had a heat stroke.
[01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:38.000]  Right.
[01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.000]  They're on the way to the hospital.
[01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.000]  Apparently they weren't running in emergency mode
[01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.000]  and apparently didn't yield for a police officer.
[01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.000]  And he pulled them over and a...
[01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.000]  He was responding to another call.
[01:07:55.000 --> 01:08:00.000]  The troopers themselves are actually in the process of responding to a call.
[01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.000]  So they just blew off the call that they were supposed to be responding to
[01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  to pull over this ambulance?
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:12.000]  No, they finished the call and then came back and stopped the ambulance.
[01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:17.000]  And the woman's husband has got out his cell phone
[01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:21.000]  and he's filming them on his cell phone.
[01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.000]  It wasn't as outrageous as it was portrayed.
[01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:32.000]  What they claimed is that the paramedic assaulted one of the police officers
[01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:36.000]  before the guy got out his camera.
[01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:40.000]  And if that was true, then the police weren't quite so outrageous
[01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:44.000]  because they were placing him under arrest and he was clearly resisting them.
[01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.000]  But they didn't get out of hand
[01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:51.000]  and it was probably because of the guy with the camera.
[01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:57.000]  They did choke the...they actually had the second paramedic in the chokehold.
[01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.000]  Yeah, they were trying to get cuffs on him and he was fighting them.
[01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.000]  That's no excuse to choke someone.
[01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.000]  They eventually let him go.
[01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.000]  It wasn't real aggressive.
[01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.000]  I'm sorry, putting somebody in a chokehold sounds pretty aggressive to me.
[01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.000]  Well, the officer was just holding him, trying to stabilize him.
[01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  It wasn't actually choking him.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:24.000]  It wasn't as bad as it appeared, but it seemed unnecessary to do it that way.
[01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.000]  You have a woman they're taking to the hospital.
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.000]  You can follow the thing to the hospital
[01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:34.000]  and then you can have all the interaction you want to.
[01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:40.000]  I mean, it's not like the police officers can't find or the troopers can't find these guys.
[01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:43.000]  Yeah, and they're also endangering someone's life, too.
[01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:47.000]  The woman's in the back. Heat stroke is a big deal.
[01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:48.000]  Yeah.
[01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:53.000]  And they could be running the risk of causing complications
[01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.000]  and creating incredible litigation for the police.
[01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:01.000]  And maybe even criminal charges for murder if the woman died.
[01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:09.000]  But when you look at that on the surface,
[01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.000]  the way that the officer just walked around and said to –
[01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:16.000]  and if you just look at the raw video and say,
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:22.000]  you're under arrest to the guy in the back, and he's like, what?
[01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.000]  And talking and this and that.
[01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:32.000]  And then the next thing you see him going into that chokehold business.
[01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:36.000]  But anyway, I'm digressing here.
[01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:41.000]  So you have officers who are responding to incidents and crime.
[01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:50.000]  And, you know, like, okay, if the ambulance had broken a law
[01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:55.000]  or was driving recklessly without the proper lights on or whatever, you know,
[01:10:55.000 --> 01:11:00.000]  okay, issue the ticket, talk to the driver, whatever, and go on about your business,
[01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:07.000]  get the information.
[01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:09.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:11.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.000]  They went on to their call.
[01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:14.000]  Right.
[01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:19.000]  They couldn't come back and stop him.
[01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.000]  He was out of their sight.
[01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:26.000]  How do they know it was the same ambulance?
[01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.000]  You know.
[01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.000]  How do they know the ambulance hadn't changed?
[01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:36.000]  There was more than one trooper vehicle there, so they might have radioed around.
[01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.000]  I mean, how many ambulances were running?
[01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:45.000]  Even so, once he's out of sight, now you have to go to a magistrate and get a warrant.
[01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.000]  Someone forgot to clue them in on that.
[01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.000]  I think the point you were making, these guys weren't acting very smart.
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  No.
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:59.000]  In my opinion, they were out of control, very unprofessional.
[01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:09.000]  And, you know, so to back it up, let's back it up a little bit.
[01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:19.000]  Let me, I'm going to start with, if I may, how it works, how it worked in my shop.
[01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:21.000]  Can I do that with you, Randy?
[01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:22.000]  Absolutely.
[01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.000]  Okay, great.
[01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:35.000]  In the Medicaid fraud unit, in our unit, we would get complaints from all manner and means and sources.
[01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:36.000]  Okay.
[01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:42.000]  Everything from someone calling up, not wanting to identify themselves, giving us information.
[01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:55.000]  So my job initially is to verify that complaint, and to do that, I need to basically do what, when, and where.
[01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:56.000]  Okay.
[01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:57.000]  Who are we talking about?
[01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.000]  What do you think they did?
[01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:00.000]  Where are they?
[01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:09.000]  And hopefully I can, the person will, you know, tell me who they are and how I can get in contact with them.
[01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:21.000]  Now, they remain anonymous throughout the investigative process up until the point of trial and discovery.
[01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:23.000]  Okay.
[01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:28.000]  And I always told them that because people say, well, I want to be anonymous.
[01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:38.000]  And I said, well, you can be anonymous for the most part, but there's going to come a point in time where you might not be able to do that.
[01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:42.000]  You know, and we did not pay witnesses.
[01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.000]  We did not pay informants.
[01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:46.000]  Unlikely.
[01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:49.000]  Did you tell them this right on the front end?
[01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:50.000]  Yes.
[01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:51.000]  Okay.
[01:13:51.000 --> 01:14:01.000]  I did because it was also a way for me to gauge how serious they were about the complaint.
[01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:02.000]  Okay.
[01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:07.000]  So that's a way to isolate the one who didn't want to pay his bill.
[01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:16.000]  Or someone who's got an axe to grind or a disgruntled worker, possibly from someone who really thinks something's going on.
[01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:23.000]  And also you want a witness who will stay with you.
[01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:34.000]  And so, but I would tell that in the initial conversation up front, you know, this wasn't anything I threw at them later down the road, you know,
[01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:41.000]  because I used it as a way, if you will, I'm dropping them through a filter box.
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.000]  Okay.
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:48.000]  And we're going to, and I'm going to filter this information and see what comes out at the other end.
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:15:03.000]  And so with, I had access, computer access to the medical records for all these, every doctor who's in the Medicaid program and all their patients.
[01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:08.000]  And I can pull up all their billing information for years.
[01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:09.000]  I don't understand that.
[01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:12.000]  Doesn't that violate HIPAA laws?
[01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:15.000]  No, no, because we have contracts.
[01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:26.000]  When these providers come up under the, there are exceptions to HIPAA laws that people who have access to medical records,
[01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:32.000]  and we are directly listed, the Medicaid fraud units are directly listed as having an exception.
[01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:44.000]  The only notable exception would be cases involving mental illness, okay, psychiatric cases, and then we have to get a court order.
[01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:53.000]  And in certain cases involving minors with regard to rehab and drug treatment.
[01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:54.000]  Okay.
[01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:58.000]  So we can go get court orders for that.
[01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:04.000]  So you could actually get the medical records beyond the financial information?
[01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:13.000]  As a Medicaid fraud investigator, I actually could walk into, by administrative law,
[01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:24.000]  I could actually walk into any Medicaid provider's office and demand medical records on the spot, the actual physical records.
[01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:28.000]  Well, I don't understand.
[01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:42.000]  We were just talking, I think it was last week, that there was a Supreme Court case where they ruled that searches without warrants under administrative searches,
[01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.000]  the Supreme Court overthrew that.
[01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.000]  They said that you can't have it.
[01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:48.000]  This isn't a search.
[01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:51.000]  This is an administrative request.
[01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:56.000]  It's not a request if you say that you can access it anyway.
[01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:57.000]  I mean, you're not really asking.
[01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.000]  I mean, you're just doing it.
[01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:01.000]  You're just saying you're demanding.
[01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:10.000]  They have the right to refuse and then, you know, they'll be sanctioned and, you know, things will happen.
[01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:12.000]  So you don't really have access.
[01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.000]  But it's by contract.
[01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.000]  It's by contract and administrative law.
[01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.000]  That's what I'm going to ask you.
[01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:18.000]  Contract.
[01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:21.000]  Go ahead, explain the contract, John.
[01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:31.000]  When someone signs up to be a Medicaid provider, they agree that if a Medicaid, someone from the attorney general's Medicaid fraud unit,
[01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:37.000]  you know, appears on their doorstep and requests medical records, they have to turn over.
[01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:39.000]  And that's part of them.
[01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:44.000]  But do the medical records of individuals who are not using Medicaid?
[01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.000]  I can't ask for those.
[01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.000]  Okay, all right, that's what I wanted to know.
[01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.000]  All right.
[01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:54.000]  Also, I'm also blind to that in that I don't have that information.
[01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.000]  So I don't know who's out there.
[01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:58.000]  I don't know they exist.
[01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:09.000]  Now, other government agencies, oftentimes when we, as I said, I did a lot of my cases federal, other federal agencies would pile in with it.
[01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:13.000]  They would kind of latch onto my lead like Medicare.
[01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:17.000]  The FBI usually does the Medicare investigation.
[01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:32.000]  You could have Champus, Tricare, which is handled by Defense Criminal Investigative Service, DCIS.
[01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:46.000]  You can have the Office of the Inspector General, which handles government insurance like GHA, postal workers, that kind of thing.
[01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:53.000]  And so Blue Cross Blue Shield, you can have different groups pile in with you.
[01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:58.000]  So it can get real crowded in the bus in a hurry.
[01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:14.000]  But normally just working, I would just normally be working with two or three people and we would put it all together and they would each draw from their own sources of records.
[01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:20.000]  By people, you mean two or three agencies or separate investigative agencies?
[01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.000]  Yes, yes, yes.
[01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:22.000]  I'm sorry.
[01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:23.000]  Yes, Randy.
[01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:39.000]  Out in Midland, for example, we had the FBI and we had OIG and several other agencies who would jump, the FDA sometimes jumped in with us.
[01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:42.000]  Office of Inspector General, OIG?
[01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:43.000]  Yes, sir.
[01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:47.000]  Would that be federal or do we have a state inspector general?
[01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.000]  Both.
[01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:59.000]  This is federal because they're handling the federal insurance claims for federal employees.
[01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:01.000]  Okay.
[01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:04.000]  So you have all that going on.
[01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:09.000]  But as far as Medicaid concerns, so I would look at that.
[01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:19.000]  And what I would do is I would go through and do an analysis of what the person told me and then try to verify that through the record.
[01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:38.000]  And then I might go and pull maybe a random sample of 50 and maybe go out and interview some people and see what they have to say.
[01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.000]  The actual patient.
[01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:56.000]  Mainly the place we wanted to go is in how you deal with people when you're interviewing them and how you interact with the public in a way that keeps you out of trouble in the courts.
[01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:57.000]  Okay.
[01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.000]  That's very important.
[01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:11.000]  Okay. If you want to look at it, the investigator's world in that regard is divided up into two camps, witnesses and suspects.
[01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.000]  Okay.
[01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.000]  We'll leave witnesses alone for the moment.
[01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.000]  Let's deal with possible suspects.
[01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:29.000]  If you're dealing with a possible suspect, okay, once again, you get into this custodial and noncustodial interviews.
[01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:42.000]  Now, because I was not a commissioned peace officer, there were times when I did not have to mirandize anyone because I never would have anyone in a custodial situation.
[01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:44.000]  Okay.
[01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:59.000]  Now, what I had to be careful of was color of law as holding myself out or the perception being I am a peace officer.
[01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:01.000]  Do you understand what I'm saying, Randy?
[01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:02.000]  Yes.
[01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:08.000]  So there's a level of pressure and threat you could not exert.
[01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:09.000]  Exactly.
[01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:11.000]  I can't say you're going to jail.
[01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.000]  I'm not going to pull a badge out.
[01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.000]  I'm not going to badge you.
[01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:18.000]  Okay.
[01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:26.000]  You know, I'm going to hand you a business card as opposed to badging you and everything.
[01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:38.000]  Now, one of the key things is if a person starts going into that illegal realm into discussion where he's starting to describe illegal acts,
[01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:47.000]  I am at that point bound to give him his Miranda warnings.
[01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.000]  Okay.
[01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:59.000]  If I'm just casually talking to him and just doing a basic interview, all of a sudden he goes, yeah, and I would pull patient records down on a slow month and bill Medicaid.
[01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:04.000]  At that point, I have to stop and give him Miranda warning.
[01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:19.000]  That's interesting in view of the case that we addressed yesterday where the Supreme Court said that essentially if the person gives the information voluntarily
[01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:28.000]  and hasn't demanded fifth or sixth amendment rights, that the information could be used.
[01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  Well, see, I don't agree with that.
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:35.000]  Of course, this is prior to that now, Randy.
[01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.000]  I mean, okay, and yesterday they handed down that decision.
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:50.000]  Now, I don't agree with that because a person could be describing something and they might not realize that it's illegal.
[01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:51.000]  Okay.
[01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:56.000]  I've had that happen, believe it or not.
[01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:07.000]  The guy actually got bad information from a consultant and didn't realize what he was doing was as illegal as the day was long.
[01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:09.000]  Do you understand what I'm saying?
[01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:12.000]  How would Mirandizing him have helped?
[01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:17.000]  Well, at that point, I'm saying, whoa, I'm going to slow down.
[01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:18.000]  We're getting into an area.
[01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:22.000]  I need to Mirandize you, Randy, and I'm going to read him as right.
[01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:27.000]  These are doctors and professional medical people.
[01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:41.000]  These are people, you know, and they switch on real quick that when you start Mirandizing them, they get real scared and real nervous.
[01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:43.000]  And I suspect very quiet.
[01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.000]  Yes.
[01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:50.000]  They do have their lawyers on their speed dial.
[01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:56.000]  I know this for a fact, and I'm all for that.
[01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:57.000]  Okay.
[01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:06.000]  If a guy's lawyer is up, which is the term we use, then we'll talk about the cowboys or we'll talk about the weather or whatever,
[01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:19.000]  and then oftentimes the lawyer will ask to talk to me and then I'll refer him over to our AG lawyer and then we'll set up a date and time to meet
[01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:21.000]  and then go meet with the lawyers.
[01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:27.000]  I just, once again, I'm thinking not only for getting the information for that moment,
[01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:34.000]  but I'm also thinking five, six steps down the line that if I have to go to court,
[01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:44.000]  everything is all about from an investigator point of view should be, okay, how am I getting this ready to go to court?
[01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:55.000]  So if a police officer is asking me questions and I resist or I object to answering and he pursues,
[01:25:55.000 --> 01:26:04.000]  then clearly what he's doing now can't be focused toward getting good information to use in court.
[01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:06.000]  It has to be something else.
[01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:08.000]  He's badgering you.
[01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:15.000]  You keep, sometimes like you'll keep badgering someone, okay, even though they haven't evoked Miranda
[01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:25.000]  and Miranda hasn't been discussed or baited or anything, and we're, and I'm just bad, you know, come on, Randy, you know.
[01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:29.000]  Hey, Randy, how long have you been with the radio station in any way?
[01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:34.000]  How long have you been, how long have you known Deborah, you know?
[01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:40.000]  And just getting you engaged and getting you engaged.
[01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.000]  Get me to answer easy questions.
[01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:46.000]  It's like the bobble head, all right?
[01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:56.000]  I'm just tapping the head to make it bobble, and my job is to keep tapping on that head until it starts bobbing, okay?
[01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.000]  You ask me questions that are real easy to answer.
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:06.000]  Oh, yeah, that are totally innocent, innocuous questions, you know?
[01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:10.000]  Where did you, how did you first get turned on to this, Randy?
[01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.000]  You know, what woke you up?
[01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.000]  Yeah, you know, oh, wow, yeah, that's kind of like me, okay.
[01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:25.000]  And what do you think about this guy, this and that, and all this stuff, and getting them engaged so they start talking to you?
[01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:30.000]  And once you create the mental momentum, it's hard for the individual to stop.
[01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:38.000]  So how does this go to admissibility?
[01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:45.000]  So what would I have to do to make the evidence not usable?
[01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.000]  You basically shut up.
[01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:53.000]  When people ask me, John, what should I ever do if I'm ever pulled over or arrested?
[01:27:53.000 --> 01:28:02.000]  The first three things you do are shut up, shut up, and shut up, and ask for a lawyer.
[01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:05.000]  You go ahead and tell them who you are.
[01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:07.000]  You're required by law to do that.
[01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:11.000]  And then after that, just shut up.
[01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:16.000]  I guess telling them what part of I do not want to talk to you, do you not understand is not.
[01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:17.000]  That's too many words, Randy.
[01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:19.000]  That's too many words.
[01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:20.000]  Get your face back to the wall.
[01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:21.000]  That's too many words.
[01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:23.000]  You're engaging me.
[01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.000]  You're engaging me.
[01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:30.000]  You can say ow if your head gets smashed into the wall.
[01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:35.000]  And then you want to ask for medical attention.
[01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:39.000]  Well, I had used less words prior to that.
[01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:44.000]  Scram, beat it, get lost.
[01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:46.000]  Those didn't work.
[01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.000]  I have the right to remain silent.
[01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:54.000]  And the thing, you know, picture a patrol.
[01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:56.000]  You've got a patrol officer.
[01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.000]  He's driving around all day.
[01:28:58.000 --> 01:28:59.000]  It's hot.
[01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:00.000]  He's been handling drunks.
[01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:02.000]  He's had a couple of domestic calls.
[01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  He's had this.
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:04.000]  He's that.
[01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:09.000]  You know, he's having a snotty day, right?
[01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:17.000]  And all of a sudden he gets Randy killed, you know?
[01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:21.000]  And Randy, you know, I'm surprised that, like,
[01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:27.000]  anyone ensures you knowing what you do.
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:32.000]  Well, I was pretty obnoxious, I suppose.
[01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:33.000]  All right.
[01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:34.000]  Well, listen, we're going to break.
[01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:37.000]  This is very interesting, you know,
[01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:41.000]  about how they try to engage you with the small talk.
[01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:45.000]  I like the three things that you should do is shut up, shut up,
[01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:46.000]  and shut up.
[01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:47.000]  I like that.
[01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:48.000]  In that order?
[01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:49.000]  Yeah.
[01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:50.000]  Yeah, that's awesome.
[01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:51.000]  Okay.
[01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:52.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:54.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:58.000]  We're here with John talking about fleets.
[01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:00.000]  Gold prices are at historic highs.
[01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:03.000]  And with the recent pullback, this is a great time to buy.
[01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:06.000]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation,
[01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:10.000]  geopolitical uncertainties and instability in world financial systems,
[01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.000]  I see gold going up much higher.
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[01:32:55.000 --> 01:33:00.000]  Into your life it will creep.
[01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:04.000]  It starts when you're always free.
[01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:10.000]  Outline the man from home and take you away.
[01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.000]  Stop!
[01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:12.000]  What's that sound?
[01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:35.000]  Everybody look what's going down.
[01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:42.000]  All right, for what it's worth.
[01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:50.000]  We're speaking with John and John you were saying on the break
[01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:58.000]  that you wanted to impress upon people that you don't want to get in a fight with the cop on the street.
[01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:01.000]  Something about taking out your dentures.
[01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:11.000]  Yeah, I've been listening to Patriot radio if you will since 2005
[01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:16.000]  and I've heard people say all kinds of stuff and I'm not going to let that off.
[01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:24.000]  I'm not going to have my rights violated and I have a little card and I tell them my whatever amendment right.
[01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:29.000]  You know, they might as well have a sign that says kick me now
[01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:35.000]  and go ahead and take your dentures out so you don't swallow them when they take you.
[01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:41.000]  Okay, because you don't want to fight the cop on the side of the road.
[01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:44.000]  You will lose.
[01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:50.000]  You will lose and you want to fight them in the courtroom.
[01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:55.000]  Okay, that's where the fight needs to be and, Randy, that's what you're teaching
[01:34:55.000 --> 01:35:01.000]  and I respect what you all are doing so much that you fight them in the courtroom.
[01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:13.000]  When you're out on the side of the road, you know, you want to be compliant, okay, and just be easy.
[01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:21.000]  Yes or no ma'am and do what they say and just get through that point.
[01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:27.000]  You're in a very, these days, my opinion, you're in a dangerous situation.
[01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:31.000]  Very dangerous, very vulnerable.
[01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:42.000]  I mean, every day, you know, there was the pastor who had his face ground in the glass for refusing, you know,
[01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:50.000]  am I free to go, am I free to go and they'd bust the windows and these were federal guys.
[01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:57.000]  You know, these were border patrol and they'd bust the glass out and stomped him.
[01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:03.000]  He took 11 stitches in the face for his trouble.
[01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:10.000]  Now, you know, on one hand, I applaud him for standing up for his right,
[01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:20.000]  but there comes a point where you need to weigh what they're going to do to you physically to what,
[01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:28.000]  you know, if you're recording and doing things, how much do you need to have to make your case?
[01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:33.000]  Yes, it's kind of like you have to at some point swallow your pride, so to speak,
[01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:40.000]  just to get through the situation so that you can go and fight them properly in court because otherwise,
[01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:45.000]  you know, you're just going to end up being the one who's going to get hurt.
[01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:47.000]  Dead men don't sue.
[01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:51.000]  There you go.
[01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:55.000]  So, and I'm not saying, they're good cops out there, but.
[01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:57.000]  And it shouldn't have to be that way, John.
[01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:04.000]  I mean, it's horrible that that is the way it is, but that's what we're trying to change
[01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:07.000]  so that we don't want it to have to be that way.
[01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:09.000]  We don't want it to be that way, you know.
[01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:16.000]  We don't want to have to feel like, you know, we're on eggshells and timid and shaking and scared
[01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:19.000]  and oh, my God, if I say the wrong thing, they're going to tase me.
[01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:24.000]  But that's where it's at because most of the police are corrupt.
[01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:26.000]  You don't have to be afraid.
[01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:30.000]  You don't have to like, oh, but just be natural.
[01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:33.000]  Be, you know, firm but polite.
[01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:34.000]  Courage.
[01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:38.000]  Do not give them an excuse to do anything.
[01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:43.000]  Yeah, John, you know the late comedian Richard Jenney said something like that in his act.
[01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:48.000]  He said, you have to be a special kind of fool to pick a fight with a man that has a badge,
[01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:53.000]  a large stick, a gun, and a radio to call similarly equipped individuals.
[01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:59.000]  Well, I used to show this when I used to lecture and train,
[01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:06.000]  and it was Chris Rock, not to say to a police officer.
[01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:09.000]  Is that a little video?
[01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:15.000]  Yeah, where he's doing it real straight in an eye and there's like, shut the blank up
[01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:22.000]  and don't drive with an angry woman and, you know, that kind of thing.
[01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:27.000]  How not to get beat by the police, I think was the title of the video.
[01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:33.000]  But so you have that thing going on more and more.
[01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:40.000]  And the added dimension is the police getting involved with civil action,
[01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:44.000]  like home foreclosures and this and that type of thing.
[01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:59.000]  And that's just going, you know, the thing I would recommend is to be able,
[01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:05.000]  we now have the technology, and we have to use technology against them
[01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:10.000]  and be able to audio and video them.
[01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:17.000]  Okay, because it's real hard to deny what happened when it's on video tape.
[01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:19.000]  In that ambulance situation,
[01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:25.000]  I have no doubt that the man who was the husband of the woman in the ambulance
[01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:33.000]  with his cell phone videoing them had a dramatic effect on them.
[01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:36.000]  They tried to pretend like they didn't see him,
[01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:41.000]  and in watching them clearly they were restraining themselves
[01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:47.000]  to keep from getting caught on video, doing something really stupid.
[01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:54.000]  Now, the thing too is if you are arrested, don't talk.
[01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:55.000]  Don't talk.
[01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:56.000]  Don't talk about yourself.
[01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:59.000]  Don't engage at all.
[01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:06.000]  Remember my three rules, shut up, shut up, shut up in that order.
[01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:09.000]  Yeah, and we have a caller, Randy from Texas.
[01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:15.000]  He wants to offer up some words of experience.
[01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:19.000]  Randy, what's on your mind?
[01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:24.000]  Well, here's the thing, I mean, and I will say this to every listener,
[01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:29.000]  if you deal with the police, you must be respectful and polite at all times.
[01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:36.000]  My experience is they do not care, and if you're in the wrong situation,
[01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:40.000]  which I've been in many times, they will beat you near to death.
[01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:44.000]  And I've nearly been killed.
[01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:50.000]  I have multiple scars, and I don't trust them,
[01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:54.000]  and that's one of the reasons why I'm so excited about this show,
[01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:58.000]  because it teaches all of us how to go and get them,
[01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:02.000]  because they don't follow the law, they're willing to beat the hell out of you
[01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:08.000]  and kill you, and you need to fight back.
[01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:12.000]  But not on the spot, fight them in court.
[01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:16.000]  No, no, no, I'm saying you can't physically fight back.
[01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:18.000]  No.
[01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.000]  And I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.
[01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:26.000]  You have to be respectful, but these people are like,
[01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:34.000]  they're like gang members in a lot of ways, and they will not respond.
[01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:39.000]  I mean, they always, I think you guys talked about this in another show,
[01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:43.000]  they always try and escalate, always.
[01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:47.000]  And the thing is, is that you can't win.
[01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:52.000]  I mean, none of us, no matter how big we are, how strong we are,
[01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:56.000]  how many weapons we have, whatever, you can't win in the long run,
[01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:03.000]  but you have to learn the ways of the system to turn it around and then zap them
[01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:11.000]  and then, as Randy says, go for their throat and never, ever let go.
[01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:17.000]  You just go, but you be respectful because, I mean, I've got the scars,
[01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:22.000]  and I know Randy does too, and he just got the hell beat at him recently.
[01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:27.000]  It's not right, but unless you stand up, it can't stop.
[01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:31.000]  Yeah, they are, they already wish they hadn't done that,
[01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:39.000]  and I suspect Tuesday I had something very serendipitous happen.
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:49.000]  Of all the judges in the courthouse, I got Ron Earl's daughter.
[01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:54.000]  There could hardly be a more politically oriented judge in the courthouse,
[01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:59.000]  and I've got her.
[01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:01.000]  These policemen better grab Holt.
[01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:05.000]  They're going to have a bumpy ride.
[01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:08.000]  But would you agree with me, though, that that's the way to go?
[01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:12.000]  I mean, you know, I'm always polite with my police officers
[01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:15.000]  because I do not expect them to protect me.
[01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:17.000]  What I expect them to do is follow the law,
[01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:23.000]  and if I have a problem to come to my aid to resolve a crisis situation
[01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:26.000]  because they have no duty to protect you,
[01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:30.000]  and that's the biggest thing that people believe, well, they're supposed to protect me.
[01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:33.000]  No, they don't. They're not. There's no duty.
[01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:41.000]  What they must do is come to your aid, and the problem is that they usually come to your detriment,
[01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:44.000]  and that's kind of my point.
[01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:48.000]  But you have to treat them well because they are public servants,
[01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:54.000]  and we do owe them a duty of respect, and I try to respect everyone.
[01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:59.000]  Well, you owe respect when it's earned, and it used to be earned,
[01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:04.000]  and more and more these days, that's falling by the wayside,
[01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:08.000]  and you have an us-versus-them mentality,
[01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:12.000]  and you're right, Randy, when you say they're like a gang.
[01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:14.000]  They are a gang.
[01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:19.000]  It was funny. I won't name the name of the police department,
[01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:27.000]  but it was join our gang on T-shirts that they were handing out, you know?
[01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:33.000]  And seriously, I can – go ahead, Randy. I'm sorry.
[01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:37.000]  Well, I was just going to say, I mean, I told – look,
[01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:43.000]  if you want to get somebody who's really angry against these people, pick me.
[01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:50.000]  But I've tried to understand, and I think Randy Kelton has helped me in this in a way,
[01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:58.000]  the problem is not the guys on the street that the rubber meets the mat type thing.
[01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:05.000]  They're given wrong objectives, and so I'm trying to back away from that
[01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:12.000]  because I really do have a true anger against these people
[01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:15.000]  because I have been screwed over for so many years,
[01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:19.000]  and I've got scars and all kinds of stuff from it
[01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:23.000]  because I'm the kind of guy that will not back down ever.
[01:45:23.000 --> 01:45:29.000]  But I've learned to be polite and do what they say,
[01:45:29.000 --> 01:45:32.000]  and most of the time it doesn't work. They throw me in jail anyway.
[01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:39.000]  But at least now I have a remedy, a way to go back and rectify
[01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:46.000]  and then just keep pushing it until I get all the people lined up that need to be lined up
[01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:50.000]  and then punish them for all this idiocy that's going on
[01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:53.000]  because we should not be afraid of them.
[01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:57.000]  We should be looking to them and helping them.
[01:45:57.000 --> 01:46:00.000]  And I've actually helped the police on multiple occasions.
[01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:06.000]  But see, now what's happening is there's rhetoric coming down through the department
[01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:09.000]  that we're to be scared of you.
[01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:10.000]  Of course.
[01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:17.000]  Okay? And you look at when you get pulled over and that officer's coming towards you
[01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:22.000]  and he's got his hand on his holster and he's approaching you a certain way.
[01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:26.000]  And that's training, okay?
[01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:35.000]  And because he doesn't know, he could do 100,000 stops and nothing happened.
[01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:40.000]  And it's that one where the guy just robbed a bank and he steps up to the car.
[01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:43.000]  How are you doing, sir? Boom.
[01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:44.000]  Okay?
[01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:49.000]  So everyone's got to get tossed the same way, if you will.
[01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:54.000]  These guys, because really in their mind, they're our neighbors.
[01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.000]  Their kids go to school with our kids.
[01:46:56.000 --> 01:47:01.000]  They want to go home at the end of the day, at the end of shift, okay?
[01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:06.000]  And tap, all right?
[01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:09.000]  And so they have a certain fear of the public.
[01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:12.000]  The public is now getting a certain fear of them.
[01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.000]  And we've got to break that cycle.
[01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:17.000]  We've got to step in there and break that.
[01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:20.000]  And demonstrate that the fear is irrational.
[01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:25.000]  If it would be more appropriate for them to walk up to your car in a clear day
[01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:28.000]  holding a lightning rod.
[01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:32.000]  They're certainly more likely to get struck by lightning
[01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:36.000]  than they are to be injured by a motorist in a traffic stop.
[01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:40.000]  The statistic is, Randy, that more cops get killed by passing cars
[01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:46.000]  while they're standing out riding you than get killed in gunfights.
[01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:49.000]  I mean, that's just raw data.
[01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:53.000]  More cops get killed in...
[01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:59.000]  But how many cops actually get hurt in a traffic stop
[01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:09.000]  where the police officer didn't escalate the situation into an altercation?
[01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:12.000]  The most notable case, I don't know the statistic.
[01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:18.000]  I do know a particular case where an Austin Parks and Rec officer
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:22.000]  was shot point blank range in a traffic stop.
[01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:25.000]  He walked up to the car, the guy was a felon,
[01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:28.000]  shot him point blank range and killed him.
[01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:32.000]  That was maybe six years, seven years ago.
[01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:36.000]  And how many stops have been made?
[01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:37.000]  Since then?
[01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.000]  Yeah.
[01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:41.000]  You know, 10,000?
[01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:42.000]  Yeah.
[01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:45.000]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:50.000]  But the mentality, the training and the mentality getting pushed down
[01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:55.000]  is that you have to be on guard all the time.
[01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:57.000]  It was real funny.
[01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:00.000]  I got in an argument with an FBI agent.
[01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:03.000]  You know, we were dealing with doctors.
[01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:09.000]  And I was asked, because I couldn't serve the warrant,
[01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:12.000]  but I was always on the team walking in,
[01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:19.000]  that we do a weapons sweep through the office.
[01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:24.000]  This young agent, he's like, coo-cooing all over this.
[01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:26.000]  And we're not going to do that.
[01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:29.000]  And if they're doctors, they don't hurt anybody.
[01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.000]  And I walked into the doctor's office and I said,
[01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:35.000]  Doctor, did they talk to you about having any firearms on site?
[01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:36.000]  And he goes, no.
[01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:37.000]  And I said, do you?
[01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:38.000]  Yes.
[01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:41.000]  And he opens his drawer and pulls out a nine-millimeter.
[01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:43.000]  Okay.
[01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:47.000]  And, you know, I'm standing across the desk
[01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:54.000]  and he's got a nine-millimeter pulled out pointing at me.
[01:49:54.000 --> 01:50:00.000]  You know, and fortunately an agent stepped into the room
[01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:03.000]  and the situation diffused.
[01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:10.000]  But, you know, and he had five other guns in his office.
[01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:11.000]  All right.
[01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:13.000]  And what are the odds, right,
[01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:16.000]  that a lot of doctors have weapons in their office?
[01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:19.000]  And I wasn't paranoid about it.
[01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:22.000]  I just didn't want any accidents to happen.
[01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:26.000]  My fault, their fault, nobody's fault.
[01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:27.000]  Okay.
[01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:29.000]  You'd be just as dead.
[01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:32.000]  Sir, can I give you guys an example of a situation
[01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:37.000]  on how you should handle like a criminal that I've seen personally?
[01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:39.000]  Yes.
[01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:40.000]  All right.
[01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:41.000]  Here's the deal.
[01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:46.000]  The first one is the Secret Service.
[01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:50.000]  The Secret Service came into a building that I was managing
[01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:53.000]  and it was a big case.
[01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:58.000]  It made the mainstream news and Mossad was involved in it
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:00.000]  and Nigerians and all this stuff.
[01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:03.000]  And there was a piece of phone equipment
[01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:08.000]  that was used for credit card fraud in Nigeria.
[01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:11.000]  So I'm sitting there at my desk.
[01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:13.000]  I think I was on the seventh floor or something.
[01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:17.000]  And all of a sudden, in come all these black-suited, you know,
[01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:22.000]  Nazi stormtrooper-looking guys with machine guns.
[01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:26.000]  And they break into my thing, my office, and they threaten me.
[01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:32.000]  And I'm like, you know, of course, raise my hands, what do you need?
[01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:36.000]  Well, we need to get into XYZ space.
[01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:40.000]  Well, okay, did you need to come in with machine guns?
[01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.000]  Well, get up.
[01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:45.000]  All right, you know, just ran me through the whole thing.
[01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:47.000]  So we go in there.
[01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:51.000]  They lock off this place, find this equipment, lock it off.
[01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:55.000]  It's, you know, locked up for years.
[01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:59.000]  Idiocy, nobody there that they needed.
[01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:02.000]  Another tenant was a criminal.
[01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:06.000]  Funny building.
[01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:09.000]  Texas Rangers come in.
[01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:15.000]  Texas Rangers send in the big old boy, comes into my office very casually,
[01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:22.000]  sits down with me, says, we got a guy here that's doing XYZ wrong,
[01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:24.000]  and we believe he's a tenant here.
[01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:28.000]  And I'm like, oh, cool, what do you need from me?
[01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:32.000]  So I get the lease out and, of course, in five minutes,
[01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:35.000]  without threatening me or coming in with machine guns
[01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:38.000]  and scaring the hell out of everybody in the building,
[01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:43.000]  this guy figures out these people and they arrest them and take them to jail.
[01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:52.000]  This is the difference between the way that proper training and improper training, in my opinion.
[01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:54.000]  That's what I was saying last Friday.
[01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:56.000]  We've got to get a hold of our training programs.
[01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:58.000]  And I was going to say one thing.
[01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:03.000]  Deborah was totally on the point when she talked about this before.
[01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:08.000]  Because right now, the feds are, they're federalizing our local police.
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:10.000]  So it's coming down from the federal government.
[01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:15.000]  Actually, it's coming down from the UN, from Agenda 21.
[01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:16.000]  Yeah, I know that.
[01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:21.000]  And that's, the IMF is controlling the Federal Reserve.
[01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:25.000]  Well, they're not just federalizing it, they're militarizing it.
[01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:26.000]  That's my concern.
[01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:28.000]  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:33.000]  And our defense against it is let's make every police officer,
[01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:39.000]  instead of believing that we're waiting out here to shoot him when he turns his back,
[01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:45.000]  let's make him think we're waiting out here to sue him when he turns his back.
[01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:47.000]  I'm for that.
[01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:51.000]  But how do we do that, Randy, if we don't do the admiralty thing, you know,
[01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:55.000]  because you can't do it in the typical civil court.
[01:53:55.000 --> 01:54:00.000]  And that's kind of what the Agenda 21 guys are talking about.
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:03.000]  You can do it in the civil court.
[01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:10.000]  One of the ways that I'm going to get the state in my case is these police officers
[01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:16.000]  were purportedly acting within the scope of their authority.
[01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:22.000]  I'll maintain that smashing my face into the wall for exercising my Fifth Amendment right
[01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:27.000]  is not within their scope, and they're going to argue that it is.
[01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:34.000]  But then we're going to go to them placing me in a patrol car and transporting me to the jail.
[01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:37.000]  There's no argument there.
[01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:47.000]  When a public official commits a tort while operating a piece of motorized equipment,
[01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:51.000]  the state waves its sovereignty.
[01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:53.000]  Gotcha, Bubba.
[01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:59.000]  But, you know, like we talked about in my case, I mean, I can't do that technically,
[01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:04.000]  and we know that they've violated a lot of technical issues, I mean,
[01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:07.000]  the constable issuing a ticket or the citation,
[01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:13.000]  which you can't do via the regulations, which they never cite anyway.
[01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:16.000]  I mean, that's what I'm looking at this admiralty thing,
[01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:20.000]  so that we can drag them in kicking and screaming in front of a court
[01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:25.000]  and force them to say, I quit.
[01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:36.000]  In the end, whether you get the officer himself is not as important as suing the officer himself
[01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:40.000]  and forcing the state, putting up this big fight.
[01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:45.000]  You really don't want to sue the officer himself in the end anyway,
[01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:50.000]  because he's not the one with the deep pockets.
[01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:52.000]  Well, I'm looking at the county.
[01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:56.000]  Yeah, you want the state or the county to indemnify him,
[01:55:56.000 --> 01:56:00.000]  but you want to bring them to that kicking and screaming.
[01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:04.000]  Yeah, and we also, like I was saying last week,
[01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:08.000]  I really think that we need to take a two-pronged approach here,
[01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:14.000]  using all of Randy's techniques, you know, to keep them in line,
[01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:21.000]  but the thing is it will be way more efficient to be able to do that if we have control.
[01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:26.000]  You know, it's like if somebody doesn't know what they're supposed to do
[01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:31.000]  or where they're supposed to go and they just start aimlessly going off in a direction
[01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:35.000]  and you just beat them up every time they make a wrong turn,
[01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:38.000]  well, you're going to end up beating them up a lot, you know,
[01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:45.000]  just by sake of random choice before they finally choose the right way to go,
[01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:47.000]  but it's like if they have a direction,
[01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:51.000]  if they're taught and trained the right way to go,
[01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:54.000]  they're probably not going to veer off the path as much,
[01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:58.000]  and when they do, then we, you know, use Randy's techniques,
[01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:05.000]  but I think we'll get a lot more results a lot faster if we lock down these training programs.
[01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:11.000]  Well, I think when we start stinging the agencies,
[01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:14.000]  they will take care of that training program.
[01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:16.000]  They're going to tell these guys, we don't want you here.
[01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:22.000]  No, I want to get, I want the people, we the people to get control of the training programs.
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:27.000]  We should have a say in what the curriculum is and who the instructors are.
[01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:31.000]  We should have a say in how our police are being trained, period.
[01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:36.000]  It's not going to be just a matter of, oh, we'll just sting them and then they'll figure it out.
[01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:41.000]  No, I'm figuring it out and I'm going to tell them how to teach them, okay?
[01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:43.000]  I've had enough of it.
[01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:48.000]  Well, what we actually should do is though they need the actual hands-on police training,
[01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:52.000]  they should also be required to attend a constitutional law course
[01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:58.000]  that explains what the true meaning of the Bill of Rights is and why they're required to obey it.
[01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:00.000]  Absolutely.
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:03.000]  And what we'll do to them if they don't.
[01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:05.000]  Can I throw something in here?
[01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:08.000]  Yes, we're about to go on break, but you have a few seconds.
[01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:17.000]  This was real interesting. I was in a FEMA training session and they were talking about terrorism
[01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:23.000]  and they were saying Columbine was the terrorist act and I just agreed.
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:26.000]  Okay, wait a minute, hold on, hold on. We're going to break, John.
[01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:29.000]  I want to hear more about this on the other side.
[01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:30.000]  We're at the top of the hour.
[01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:33.000]  We also have some callers on the line that I'd like to bring in the conversation as well.
[01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:36.000]  Randy from Texas, you're welcome to stay on the line as well.
[01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:37.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:40.000]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:47.000]  We're here with our guest, John, talking about police training programs and more.
[01:58:47.000 --> 01:59:14.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:39.000]  He brought the kitchen.
[01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:55.000]  Thank you.