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[00:06.520 --> 00:12.680]  Members of Congress have been briefed to expect a clash with Israel's new Netanyahu-led government
[00:12.680 --> 00:18.520]  over the Palestinian peace process. Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has declared
[00:18.520 --> 00:24.880]  the peace process had reached a dead end. Somali pirates hijacked a US-flagged Danish-owned
[00:24.880 --> 00:30.680]  container ship Wednesday with 20 American crew on board. It was the fifth hijacking
[00:30.680 --> 00:38.380]  since Sunday. Among the ship's cargo were 400 containers of food, including 232 containers
[00:38.380 --> 00:44.400]  belonging to the UN World Food Program, destined for Somalia and Uganda.
[00:44.400 --> 00:49.880]  Former Cuban President Fidel Castro had talks with US politicians in Havana, the first such
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[01:06.680 --> 01:11.880]  The UK Guardian reports Israeli companies are feeling the impact of boycott moves in
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[01:17.920 --> 01:26.320]  Association reported 21% of 90 local exporters had felt a drop in demand due to boycotts,
[01:26.320 --> 01:32.800]  mostly from the UK and Scandinavian countries. Writing in the daily finance paper The Marker,
[01:32.800 --> 01:39.280]  economics journalist Nehemiah Stresler berated then Trade and Industry Minister Eli Yishai
[01:39.280 --> 01:46.600]  for telling the Israeli army to, quote, destroy 100 homes in Gaza for every rocket fired into
[01:46.600 --> 01:51.720]  Israel. Stresler said the minister did not understand how much the operation in Gaza
[01:51.720 --> 01:57.480]  was hurting the economy, adding, the horrific images on TV and the statements of politicians
[01:57.480 --> 02:05.400]  in Europe and Turkey are changing the behavior of consumers, businessmen and potential investors.
[02:05.400 --> 02:11.520]  Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi says US drone attacks on Pakistan are working
[02:11.520 --> 02:18.400]  to the advantage of Al Qaeda and Taliban extremists. Qureshi spoke after talks with US Special
[02:18.400 --> 02:24.520]  Envoy Richard Holbrooke and Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen, saying, we have agreed
[02:24.520 --> 02:30.920]  to disagree. Barack Obama has stated he intends to step up missile strikes on Taliban insurgents
[02:30.920 --> 02:36.960]  in Pakistan's tribal areas. Islamabad has repeatedly condemned such strikes, saying
[02:36.960 --> 02:42.880]  they threaten the country's sovereignty and fuel public anger. Over 500 people, including
[02:42.880 --> 02:47.720]  a large number of civilians, have been killed in drone attacks, which started under the
[02:47.720 --> 02:53.480]  Bush administration. Islamabad says it has paid dearly for its alliance with the US in
[02:53.480 --> 02:54.480]  its war on terror.
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[03:28.160 --> 03:52.440]  Okay, we are back. The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on RuleOfLawRadio.com.
[03:52.440 --> 03:58.040]  We're here with Attorney Brian Michaels from Eugene, Oregon, and we're having a very interesting
[03:58.040 --> 04:01.880]  discussion here. We're taking some calls. I want to go...Russell dropped off the line,
[04:01.880 --> 04:08.880]  I guess mainly he was just cautioning anyone to file this form under the Federal Tort Claims
[04:08.880 --> 04:16.080]  Act to show that you have exhausted all administrative remedies before taking it into court. Personally
[04:16.080 --> 04:20.600]  myself, I have no standing to file a lawsuit because I was not one of the individuals
[04:20.600 --> 04:27.320]  who was harmed, so I'm not going to be filing any lawsuits. I will be happy to assist anyone
[04:27.320 --> 04:32.680]  getting their information to Brian if they so choose or anything like that, taking people's
[04:32.680 --> 04:38.800]  names if they want to call me. I've got some video evidence and stuff like that. You help
[04:38.800 --> 04:42.320]  me to happen, you want it any way I can, but personally I'm not going to be filing any
[04:42.320 --> 04:47.040]  torts or lawsuits or claims or any such thing because I have no standing. I was not harmed.
[04:47.040 --> 04:54.040]  So at any rate, let us go now to Mark in Wisconsin. He is one of our affiliates. He broadcasts
[04:54.040 --> 04:58.440]  us in Madison. Mark, thank you for calling in. You have a question for our guest?
[04:58.440 --> 05:00.440]  Good evening. Yes, I do.
[05:00.440 --> 05:01.440]  Excellent.
[05:01.440 --> 05:10.920]  Since he does civil torts, I was wondering if he knew when you file a civil case if it's
[05:10.920 --> 05:15.520]  better to file with one cause of action or several? I'm guessing that it's...well, I'm
[05:15.520 --> 05:20.640]  not guessing. I've read that it's better to file one cause of action because if you file
[05:20.640 --> 05:25.640]  a couple, you have to prove them all.
[05:25.640 --> 05:34.080]  Well, I think the last part of your question gets the answer, which is to say you should
[05:34.080 --> 05:40.560]  only file causes of action that you can prove. And there's no doubt about that. You should
[05:40.560 --> 05:47.520]  be sure or you should be confident that each cause of action you file, the facts of the
[05:47.520 --> 05:55.880]  case match the applicable law. The number of causes of action is determined not by some
[05:55.880 --> 06:01.760]  numerical strategy, but by the facts and the applicable law.
[06:01.760 --> 06:09.280]  So if I've got one cause of action that's good enough to get things done as far as winning
[06:09.280 --> 06:17.680]  the case, why would I want to add another cause of action say that it's in a gray area
[06:17.680 --> 06:19.680]  and may or may not be able to be proven?
[06:19.680 --> 06:25.600]  Again, the language of your question begets the answer. If it's in a gray area and may
[06:25.600 --> 06:31.840]  not be able to be proven, then I would recommend not filing that cause of action.
[06:31.840 --> 06:35.400]  And Brian, what if it can? If you can prove more and more causes of action, does that
[06:35.400 --> 06:38.640]  mean that you get more money, that you can sue for more and more money?
[06:38.640 --> 06:49.560]  Well, there are several reasons to file factually prudent causes of action. One of them is evidence.
[06:49.560 --> 06:54.720]  You get to present more evidence to the jury because you have a broader spectrum of claims
[06:54.720 --> 07:04.440]  of action. And of course, the other is you have a broader spectrum of damages from causes
[07:04.440 --> 07:12.840]  of action. So that the damages that you suffer from intentional infliction of emotional distress
[07:12.840 --> 07:17.680]  may be quite different than the damages you suffer from having your head banged and your
[07:17.680 --> 07:27.720]  body tased and your medical bills being $20,000. There are two separate causes of action.
[07:27.720 --> 07:33.400]  And another cause of action may be that you were illegally detained until you get separate
[07:33.400 --> 07:41.240]  damages for that tort. But the number of causes of action needs to be married not to some
[07:41.240 --> 07:47.600]  numerical strategy, but to the facts and the applicable law.
[07:47.600 --> 07:55.040]  I would agree with you. I do not, I personally do not support the shotgun approach of filing
[07:55.040 --> 08:01.160]  everything possible regardless of the facts. I agree with you there. Do not file causes
[08:01.160 --> 08:05.800]  of action. You do not, you are not confident that you have a factual and legal foundation
[08:05.800 --> 08:08.800]  for it. I would agree with that.
[08:08.800 --> 08:13.720]  Say you did file several causes of action. You were not able to meet the legal threshold
[08:13.720 --> 08:17.520]  to prove one of those causes of action. Do you lose the whole case?
[08:17.520 --> 08:18.520]  No.
[08:18.520 --> 08:19.520]  Okay.
[08:19.520 --> 08:24.160]  You lose each cause of action, survives and dies on its own.
[08:24.160 --> 08:25.160]  Okay.
[08:25.160 --> 08:26.160]  That is fortunate.
[08:26.160 --> 08:34.720]  I just had another problem pop up. My wife used some dye in her hair and her head swelled
[08:34.720 --> 08:44.200]  up the size of a pumpkin. She has got two black eyes. And I was wondering is product
[08:44.200 --> 08:51.040]  liability, what is the threshold for that? Do you know anything about that in civil actions?
[08:51.040 --> 08:54.480]  Because I have got to get something done. I am a boxing coach and my neighbors are giving
[08:54.480 --> 08:56.480]  me dirty looks.
[08:56.480 --> 09:02.080]  Oh no. Oh no.
[09:02.080 --> 09:09.160]  Have you ever considered writing a script for a very, for a high, very sophisticated
[09:09.160 --> 09:10.160]  sitcom?
[09:10.160 --> 09:11.160]  I have.
[09:11.160 --> 09:12.160]  Yes, sir.
[09:12.160 --> 09:23.680]  That was a delightful paragraph. You know, the product liability, think of sometimes
[09:23.680 --> 09:31.800]  when you want to examine an issue, think of the most macro example. So think of cigarettes.
[09:31.800 --> 09:35.840]  Why are they liable? They are liable because they didn't inform the people that it could
[09:35.840 --> 09:41.600]  be dangerous. And because they were negligent in producing a product that can be dangerous.
[09:41.600 --> 09:48.240]  Until you reduce that to your situation, assuming that the rumors are untrue and the hair dye
[09:48.240 --> 09:54.920]  is in fact a liable party, then yes, you may have a cause of action there.
[09:54.920 --> 09:59.640]  The product does warn that a certain percentage of the population will have a reaction but
[09:59.640 --> 10:05.560]  it doesn't say near death reaction. You know what I mean? I took her to the doctors today
[10:05.560 --> 10:09.800]  and we had to get an epi shot because there were airwaves that were starting to close.
[10:09.800 --> 10:14.280]  That is a common allergic reaction, airwaves closing, as we know from these things when
[10:14.280 --> 10:15.280]  you get an epi shot.
[10:15.280 --> 10:21.200]  Would this be something that he would take into federal or state court, Brian?
[10:21.200 --> 10:25.080]  You know, I'm kind of resistant to answer any of these questions without knowing many
[10:25.080 --> 10:31.280]  of the facts. But if, you know, federal jurisdiction also has what they call diversity of citizenship.
[10:31.280 --> 10:37.560]  So if he's suing a company that is located out of state, then he has diversity of citizenship.
[10:37.560 --> 10:38.960]  So we're going into federal court.
[10:38.960 --> 10:47.040]  If he's suing a local company that has only its association with the purchase of the product
[10:47.040 --> 10:53.000]  is only within the state, he may be limited to state action. It depends a lot on those
[10:53.000 --> 11:00.840]  sorts of details of the case. I don't know enough about the facts of this case to give
[11:00.840 --> 11:02.800]  a really informed response.
[11:02.800 --> 11:10.360]  Yeah. And if the company sells product in the state, then it will have the minimum context.
[11:10.360 --> 11:16.660]  So it wouldn't be diversity. It would be having a presence in the state. So it's unlikely
[11:16.660 --> 11:22.560]  that you'd be able to get to diversity unless you ordered it out of state and had it shipped
[11:22.560 --> 11:26.360]  into state by a company that doesn't have a statewide presence.
[11:26.360 --> 11:32.480]  There are a lot of details. I mean, you know, the law has evolved so much over the years
[11:32.480 --> 11:38.280]  with so many lawyers that there's nuance to every nuance to every nuance. You know,
[11:38.280 --> 11:42.000]  like Jonathan Swift, there's a flea on the back of every flea on the back of every flea
[11:42.000 --> 11:46.840]  on the back of every flea. So you need to really get down into the details of the facts
[11:46.840 --> 11:51.280]  to determine whether or not a national company can be sued in federal court.
[11:51.280 --> 11:53.280]  Would it be better to...
[11:53.280 --> 11:55.880]  Because there's not enough here to know, you know.
[11:55.880 --> 12:02.400]  In general, Brian, do you think it's better to keep it in the state court or the federal
[12:02.400 --> 12:03.400]  court?
[12:03.400 --> 12:07.400]  There's a lot of discussion on that.
[12:07.400 --> 12:12.400]  You know, that flea analogy you had there sounds a lot like government.
[12:12.400 --> 12:17.400]  Yeah, there's one sucking the blood up with everyone sucking the blood up with everyone
[12:17.400 --> 12:18.400]  sucking the blood.
[12:18.400 --> 12:19.400]  Yeah, indeed.
[12:19.400 --> 12:20.400]  Yeah.
[12:20.400 --> 12:25.600]  I just had one quick last comment. I wanted to thank Russell for sending me some documents
[12:25.600 --> 12:31.400]  for stopping foreclosure. I'm looking for someone right now that I can help out and
[12:31.400 --> 12:36.400]  we'll file that and see how it works in the state of Wisconsin. Again, you guys keep up
[12:36.400 --> 12:41.400]  the great work. Excellent guests. Just keep doing what you're doing.
[12:41.400 --> 12:45.400]  Thank you, Mark, and thank you for broadcasting us up in Madison.
[12:45.400 --> 12:48.400]  Thank you for the highly entertaining story.
[12:48.400 --> 12:50.400]  No problem.
[12:50.400 --> 12:51.400]  Mark...
[12:51.400 --> 12:56.400]  That's assuming that his story about the hair dye is...
[12:56.400 --> 12:57.400]  Oh, come on.
[12:57.400 --> 12:59.400]  Hey, no, you ever heard of defamation?
[12:59.400 --> 13:04.400]  Dude, listen, Mark's one of our affiliates. You want him to take us off the air or what?
[13:04.400 --> 13:06.400]  You guys have a good night. Thanks a lot.
[13:06.400 --> 13:07.400]  Okay, thank you, Mark.
[13:07.400 --> 13:08.400]  Bye-bye.
[13:08.400 --> 13:11.400]  Bye-bye. Okay, we've got another caller here on the line. We've got Greg from Alabama.
[13:11.400 --> 13:15.400]  This is actually Greg Chapman. He's one of the hosts on the network. He just had his
[13:15.400 --> 13:20.400]  show from 6 to 8 p.m. Central Time, Agenda 21 Talk. Thanks for calling in, Greg.
[13:20.400 --> 13:22.400]  He's one of our local hillbillies.
[13:22.400 --> 13:24.400]  Here we go again.
[13:24.400 --> 13:28.400]  I don't know about local. He's in Alabama. What's on your mind, Greg? Do you have a
[13:28.400 --> 13:29.400]  question for our guest?
[13:29.400 --> 13:33.400]  Yeah, I do have a question and some comments. First of all, on PACER, to answer that
[13:33.400 --> 13:39.400]  question. And I'd actually Skyped you there, but apparently you're not at your
[13:39.400 --> 13:40.400]  Skype screen.
[13:40.400 --> 13:41.400]  Okay, okay.
[13:41.400 --> 13:46.400]  But anyway, it was about the call from Chris. I was interested in the case number
[13:46.400 --> 13:52.400]  on that because I'm a user of PACER. I'm on their site and it says PACER is a
[13:52.400 --> 13:56.400]  service of the United States Judiciary. The PACER Service Center is run by the
[13:56.400 --> 14:04.400]  Administrative Office of the United States Court. So that's the PACER issue.
[14:04.400 --> 14:11.400]  The diversity issue. Now, that one hits a little home with me because this case I
[14:11.400 --> 14:16.400]  talk about on our show with Mike, the foreclosure. The very first thing that JP
[14:16.400 --> 14:24.400]  Morgan did was file a motion to remove because of diversity. And the criteria
[14:24.400 --> 14:31.400]  was that that company itself is not registered within the state. Although, in a
[14:31.400 --> 14:37.400]  sense, their product is in the state because they have a representative here that
[14:37.400 --> 14:39.400]  has the paper signed for mortgages.
[14:39.400 --> 14:46.400]  If they've got a representative there under international shoe, that's the
[14:46.400 --> 14:53.400]  minimum contact. They have a presence in the state. They don't get diversity.
[14:53.400 --> 14:57.400]  International shoe, is this a case site?
[14:57.400 --> 15:01.400]  Yeah, international shoe is kind of the seminal case on minimum contacts.
[15:01.400 --> 15:02.400]  What does that mean?
[15:02.400 --> 15:05.400]  I've got the case. It's international shoe.
[15:05.400 --> 15:08.400]  What is the minimal contact? What are you talking about?
[15:08.400 --> 15:15.400]  If you're in one state and you have a salesman that regularly canvases another
[15:15.400 --> 15:25.400]  state and goes to that state and talks to clients there or keeps an office in
[15:25.400 --> 15:30.400]  that state, then you have a presence in the state. The person doing business with
[15:30.400 --> 15:37.400]  you has a reasonable expectation that he's doing business within his state.
[15:37.400 --> 15:42.400]  In one of the other ones that goes with international shoe is about a case out
[15:42.400 --> 15:49.400]  of Oklahoma and Oregon. A company in Oregon is sued by a company in Oklahoma,
[15:49.400 --> 15:56.400]  and Oregon's trying to move it to federal. The company in Oklahoma was a
[15:56.400 --> 16:00.400]  mobile home company. They were doing business with someone else in Oklahoma.
[16:00.400 --> 16:04.400]  They had no reason to expect that they could be pulled from their state to
[16:04.400 --> 16:11.400]  another state, or to the feds, that they had a reasonable expectation of dealing
[16:11.400 --> 16:16.400]  with the law within the state that they were in, because those people were in
[16:16.400 --> 16:22.400]  that state doing business in that state, so they had the sufficient minimum
[16:22.400 --> 16:28.400]  contacts to give them a presence in the state so they didn't get the federal.
[16:28.400 --> 16:33.400]  Anyway, I can send you my research on that. I did that for some research for a
[16:33.400 --> 16:41.400]  friend of mine in Pennsylvania where he sold some lumber. He sold it in
[16:41.400 --> 16:46.400]  Pennsylvania. The guy came from Oregon and purchased it, loaded it on his own
[16:46.400 --> 16:52.400]  truck in Pennsylvania and hauled it to Oregon, and then decided he couldn't sell
[16:52.400 --> 16:59.400]  it, so he wanted his money back and sued the guy in Oregon. He said,
[16:59.400 --> 17:03.400]  wait a minute. Wait a minute, sued the guy in Pennsylvania? No, he sued him in
[17:03.400 --> 17:08.400]  Oregon. He sued the Pennsylvania individual in Oregon. That's what I mean.
[17:08.400 --> 17:14.400]  He sued the Pennsylvanian in an Oregon court. He said, wait a minute. I've never
[17:14.400 --> 17:18.400]  been there. I've never had anything do that. We did all our business within the
[17:18.400 --> 17:26.400]  state, so if you want to sue me, sue me in the state. That's what the research
[17:26.400 --> 17:30.400]  was for, but I can send that research to you.
[17:30.400 --> 17:32.400]  Yeah, I'd definitely like to have it because...
[17:32.400 --> 17:38.400]  If I didn't lose it in the big crash. I don't think I did. I think I've got it.
[17:38.400 --> 17:40.400]  And the other...
[17:40.400 --> 17:46.400]  Debra's point is well taken. In that instance, it's more a matter of which
[17:46.400 --> 17:52.400]  court has jurisdiction over the defendant, not necessarily diversity of
[17:52.400 --> 17:59.400]  citizenship for federal court, which is a separate issue. If you assume that
[17:59.400 --> 18:04.400]  the jurisdiction is in Oregon, or in this case, Pennsylvania, can you sue in
[18:04.400 --> 18:08.400]  state court or federal court? But since that person in your instance has never
[18:08.400 --> 18:13.400]  been to Oregon, you can't force him to come to Oregon to face suit since he's
[18:13.400 --> 18:15.400]  never had any contact with Oregon.
[18:15.400 --> 18:18.400]  And especially since the business transaction did not occur in Oregon.
[18:18.400 --> 18:22.400]  Right, he's never had any contact with Oregon. So it's just a due process
[18:22.400 --> 18:28.400]  issue. The presumption is the cause of action can be laid where the defendant
[18:28.400 --> 18:33.400]  or the cause of action occurred, not where the plaintiff lives. That would
[18:33.400 --> 18:39.400]  put the defendant at a disadvantage and people can sue people at a place where
[18:39.400 --> 18:41.400]  it would be to their disadvantage.
[18:41.400 --> 18:44.400]  Yeah, and the cause of action in this case would be in Pennsylvania.
[18:44.400 --> 18:47.400]  Pennsylvania, and that's where the defendant is. So you have to determine
[18:47.400 --> 18:51.400]  whether or not the defendant had any sufficient contacts with Oregon.
[18:51.400 --> 18:56.400]  And, you know, Randy's accurate that if the defendant had a registered agent
[18:56.400 --> 19:01.400]  here and was doing business here, well, then they're assuming jurisdiction
[19:01.400 --> 19:05.400]  in Oregon. But if they don't, and they're just telling this somebody who happens
[19:05.400 --> 19:11.400]  to go to Oregon, well, then you can't really sue them here. It's a venue
[19:11.400 --> 19:16.400]  jurisdiction issue rather than a sovereign jurisdiction issue. But that's
[19:16.400 --> 19:18.400]  just my, you know, two cents.
[19:18.400 --> 19:25.400]  So in the case, let's say, of a mortgage transaction where the person actually
[19:25.400 --> 19:31.400]  signed the paper, you know, within his state, is that enough to, you know,
[19:31.400 --> 19:35.400]  stop the diversity?
[19:35.400 --> 19:43.400]  Is the mortgage company doing business in the state? Did this guy ever leave
[19:43.400 --> 19:45.400]  the state?
[19:45.400 --> 19:47.400]  No.
[19:47.400 --> 19:55.400]  Did he mail papers back and forth to another state?
[19:55.400 --> 20:00.400]  No. A lady met him somewhere, and they do this stuff all the time. They bring
[20:00.400 --> 20:04.400]  the package of paperwork at a restaurant or library sometimes. They do it all
[20:04.400 --> 20:06.400]  there.
[20:06.400 --> 20:10.400]  See, that puts their representative in the state. So if you were sending
[20:10.400 --> 20:15.400]  paperwork to another state, and they're sending paperwork back to you, now
[20:15.400 --> 20:19.400]  you're getting minimum contacts. And what the case law said, emails don't do
[20:19.400 --> 20:24.400]  it. That doesn't get you the diversity. But if you're sending actual documents
[20:24.400 --> 20:29.400]  back and forth, now you don't have the reasonable expectation that you're
[20:29.400 --> 20:33.400]  confined to this state because you're clearly doing business with someone in
[20:33.400 --> 20:36.400]  another state. But if all your business is in this state and their
[20:36.400 --> 20:42.400]  representative comes here, it would be tough to get them, especially since
[20:42.400 --> 20:48.400]  they're the plaintiff and you're the defendant, as Brian said, that it really
[20:48.400 --> 20:51.400]  revolves around the defendant.
[20:51.400 --> 20:54.400]  Well, in this case, the defendant is JP Morgan.
[20:54.400 --> 20:56.400]  Oh.
[20:56.400 --> 21:00.400]  Yeah. That's where, you know, Mike filed a lawsuit against him and claims
[21:00.400 --> 21:05.400]  fraud in the circuit court. And the very first thing they did was remove it.
[21:05.400 --> 21:11.400]  A motion to remove to federal court. And they were claiming diversity.
[21:11.400 --> 21:16.400]  Oh, good. Then he needs to do, he needs this, I'll get him this research. If
[21:16.400 --> 21:23.400]  their agent came to this, your state, according to the case law that I've
[21:23.400 --> 21:28.400]  looked at, that's going to get them a presence in the state, so they're not
[21:28.400 --> 21:32.400]  going to get the diversity. Unless they're paid off to judge.
[21:32.400 --> 21:35.400]  Yeah, I definitely need that this weekend if you can.
[21:35.400 --> 21:40.400]  Okay. If you don't see it in the morning, call me and remind me.
[21:40.400 --> 21:41.400]  Okay.
[21:41.400 --> 21:47.400]  At my age, my mama tells me that the memory is the second thing to go.
[21:47.400 --> 21:49.400]  Okay.
[21:49.400 --> 21:52.400]  And I don't remember what the first one was.
[21:52.400 --> 21:54.400]  I have an idea.
[21:54.400 --> 22:00.400]  I'm not even going there. I was hoping that was the third.
[22:00.400 --> 22:04.400]  Okay. Do you have anything else for us, Greg?
[22:04.400 --> 22:06.400]  I have another question, but my memory is gone.
[22:06.400 --> 22:09.400]  Oh, great.
[22:09.400 --> 22:12.400]  I went to a health food store and I'm standing here looking confused. The guy
[22:12.400 --> 22:16.400]  came over and said, can I help you? I said, yeah, I was supposed to get
[22:16.400 --> 22:20.400]  something for memory. He said, well, what was it?
[22:20.400 --> 22:21.400]  Yeah, yeah.
[22:21.400 --> 22:22.400]  I don't remember.
[22:22.400 --> 22:23.400]  Okay.
[22:23.400 --> 22:24.400]  And the guy was great.
[22:24.400 --> 22:25.400]  Actually, I did have a question.
[22:25.400 --> 22:26.400]  Okay, what's that, Greg?
[22:26.400 --> 22:27.400]  For the guest.
[22:27.400 --> 22:29.400]  Okay.
[22:29.400 --> 22:40.400]  If you're a lawsuit to stop a county commission from executing, let's say,
[22:40.400 --> 22:45.400]  an unconstitutional ordinance or something like that, I take it that you
[22:45.400 --> 22:52.400]  file a lawsuit for injunctive relief. Is that right?
[22:52.400 --> 22:53.400]  Yes.
[22:53.400 --> 22:56.400]  And if it really is unconstitutional, there again, the question begets the
[22:56.400 --> 23:03.400]  answer, you would contact the county attorney in advance of submitting what's
[23:03.400 --> 23:09.400]  called a TRO, a temporary restraining order, in advance of an injunction
[23:09.400 --> 23:14.400]  because no one should be allowed to enforce an unconstitutional ordinance.
[23:14.400 --> 23:19.400]  But can you challenge an unconstitutional ordinance if you haven't been
[23:19.400 --> 23:21.400]  harmed by it?
[23:21.400 --> 23:26.400]  Well, that's a question of standing, and I was trying not to...
[23:26.400 --> 23:27.400]  Not to go there.
[23:27.400 --> 23:29.400]  Well, you didn't ask me.
[23:29.400 --> 23:36.400]  That's the minutiae of nuance. If you live in the county and the county
[23:36.400 --> 23:42.400]  ordinance that he's discussing necessarily will affect him, and the word
[23:42.400 --> 23:45.400]  necessarily is critical there, then he would have standing.
[23:45.400 --> 23:50.400]  But if it has something to do with something that wouldn't necessarily
[23:50.400 --> 23:54.400]  affect him as a member of that county, then the question of standing has to
[23:54.400 --> 24:00.400]  be analyzed by somebody who's more familiar with the nuances of the law in
[24:00.400 --> 24:01.400]  that state.
[24:01.400 --> 24:07.400]  So, Brian, are you saying that if somebody is affected just because they
[24:07.400 --> 24:11.400]  live in that county, even if they haven't necessarily been directly harmed,
[24:11.400 --> 24:13.400]  they still have standing?
[24:13.400 --> 24:16.400]  No, I was trying to express the opposite of that.
[24:16.400 --> 24:17.400]  Oh, okay.
[24:17.400 --> 24:18.400]  I apologize for being so unclear.
[24:18.400 --> 24:19.400]  Okay, sorry.
[24:19.400 --> 24:22.400]  If you're necessarily affected by it.
[24:22.400 --> 24:23.400]  Okay.
[24:23.400 --> 24:27.400]  If you're not necessarily affected by it, then you have to research the
[24:27.400 --> 24:28.400]  nuances.
[24:28.400 --> 24:30.400]  I see, okay, okay.
[24:30.400 --> 24:36.400]  I just raised this question yesterday with someone about the Military
[24:36.400 --> 24:38.400]  Commissions Act.
[24:38.400 --> 24:46.400]  On its face, the Military Commissions Act is horrendously unconstitutional.
[24:46.400 --> 24:51.400]  However, I can't raise an issue about the Military Commissions Act because
[24:51.400 --> 24:54.400]  it hasn't been implemented.
[24:54.400 --> 25:00.400]  But once they implement it, the reason is so unconstitutional because it
[25:00.400 --> 25:04.400]  will eliminate my ability to raise the issue about its constitutionality.
[25:04.400 --> 25:06.400]  Yeah, no kidding.
[25:06.400 --> 25:12.400]  That's singularly unique, and there's so many singularly unique examples of
[25:12.400 --> 25:14.400]  the nuance of standing.
[25:14.400 --> 25:20.400]  The way that's written, any one of us could potentially find ourselves
[25:20.400 --> 25:26.400]  stuffed in some dungeon without the ability of those legal mechanisms to
[25:26.400 --> 25:30.400]  tell a court, hey, we don't fall under the Military Commissions Act.
[25:30.400 --> 25:35.400]  I don't know how that would work since the Military Commissions Act is
[25:35.400 --> 25:39.400]  directed only at a certain class of people, and we're not of that class of
[25:39.400 --> 25:46.400]  people. Yet, if we were presumed by the government to be among that class of
[25:46.400 --> 25:52.400]  people erroneously, then we would have no avenue to a court of law to tell
[25:52.400 --> 25:57.400]  the government that we don't have a, we're not a member of that class of
[25:57.400 --> 25:58.400]  action.
[25:58.400 --> 26:01.400]  And that's one of those nuances of standing.
[26:01.400 --> 26:08.400]  I mean, standing is a very, very, it's a very delicate area when you get
[26:08.400 --> 26:09.400]  down to these kind of details.
[26:09.400 --> 26:16.400]  I mean, the great environmental question is do trees have standing now?
[26:16.400 --> 26:20.400]  It depends on whether or not you heard it fall, I suppose.
[26:20.400 --> 26:21.400]  Yeah, right.
[26:21.400 --> 26:25.400]  I mean, when you get down to the details of it, standing is a very, very
[26:25.400 --> 26:30.400]  interesting issue that can get further, further into the flee upon flee upon
[26:30.400 --> 26:35.400]  flee issue, and Military Commissions Act certainly presents that.
[26:35.400 --> 26:37.400]  All right.
[26:37.400 --> 26:40.400]  I actually need to head home.
[26:40.400 --> 26:41.400]  All right.
[26:41.400 --> 26:44.400]  Thank you so much for joining us this evening, Brian.
[26:44.400 --> 26:46.400]  We really appreciate you staying on with us so long.
[26:46.400 --> 26:47.400]  Oh, you're delightful.
[26:47.400 --> 26:49.400]  Thanks for having us, you know.
[26:49.400 --> 26:53.400]  I love talking about Rainbow, and I'm glad for the opportunity to do so.
[26:53.400 --> 26:58.400]  And may I remind people once again that we are going to be in New Mexico from
[26:58.400 --> 27:00.400]  the middle of June to the middle of July.
[27:00.400 --> 27:01.400]  Please come join us.
[27:01.400 --> 27:04.400]  It is, in fact, the land of enchantment.
[27:04.400 --> 27:05.400]  Indeed.
[27:05.400 --> 27:08.400]  All right.
[27:08.400 --> 27:09.400]  Thank you so much, Brian.
[27:09.400 --> 27:10.400]  We really appreciate you joining us tonight.
[27:10.400 --> 27:11.400]  It's been great.
[27:11.400 --> 27:12.400]  Bye for now.
[27:12.400 --> 27:13.400]  Thank you so much.
[27:13.400 --> 27:14.400]  Okay, bye-bye.
[27:14.400 --> 27:15.400]  Bye-bye.
[27:15.400 --> 27:16.400]  Okay.
[27:16.400 --> 27:20.400]  That was Brian Michaels, attorney from Florida.
[27:20.400 --> 27:21.400]  I'm sorry, Florida.
[27:21.400 --> 27:22.400]  I keep saying Florida.
[27:22.400 --> 27:27.400]  Attorney out of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon, and we're very happy to have him on,
[27:27.400 --> 27:31.400]  attorney representing members of the Rainbow, fighting for people's rights for
[27:31.400 --> 27:38.400]  over the many decades and quite unusual for an attorney, I might add.
[27:38.400 --> 27:40.400]  Well, he's in Oregon where it rains all the time,
[27:40.400 --> 27:44.400]  so it keeps his hands washed clean.
[27:44.400 --> 27:46.400]  Yeah, I don't know how the weather is in Eugene.
[27:46.400 --> 27:49.400]  I don't think it's quite like Seattle.
[27:49.400 --> 27:51.400]  All right, well, let's continue to take our calls.
[27:51.400 --> 27:53.400]  Greg, you're welcome to hang on the line if you like.
[27:53.400 --> 27:56.400]  We're going to go now to Matt in Texas.
[27:56.400 --> 27:57.400]  Matt, thanks for joining us.
[27:57.400 --> 27:59.400]  What's on your mind tonight?
[27:59.400 --> 28:06.400]  Hey, guys, so it sounds like according to Brian that any thought that we may have
[28:06.400 --> 28:12.400]  had about filing criminal complaints against IRS officials based off of state
[28:12.400 --> 28:16.400]  law is now no longer really an option.
[28:16.400 --> 28:25.400]  Yes, it is an option because when the IRS agent is doing an administrative
[28:25.400 --> 28:30.400]  function and there are certain things he's allowed to do, and one of the things
[28:30.400 --> 28:36.400]  that he does is he files a state pleading or a state, he files documents in the
[28:36.400 --> 28:43.400]  state, notice of lien.
[28:43.400 --> 28:52.400]  If there is no lien, then as a federal official, he has no standing to file the
[28:52.400 --> 28:53.400]  lien.
[28:53.400 --> 28:59.400]  And we don't really care if it goes to the federal court because if they do pull
[28:59.400 --> 29:03.400]  it to the federal court, they pull the state law with it.
[29:03.400 --> 29:05.400]  This is a special case.
[29:05.400 --> 29:11.400]  Just got an IRS agent fired.
[29:11.400 --> 29:13.400]  Can be done.
[29:13.400 --> 29:17.400]  We used the Inspector General to do it.
[29:17.400 --> 29:22.400]  But you bring them to the state, let them pull it out, but you filed against them
[29:22.400 --> 29:25.400]  under state law.
[29:25.400 --> 29:33.400]  So you're basically saying that one of the most effective ways then is to wait
[29:33.400 --> 29:39.400]  for them to file their phony liens that they always do, and after that, then you
[29:39.400 --> 29:42.400]  file a criminal complaint for not filing a valid lien.
[29:42.400 --> 29:45.400]  Yes, we claim they're not acting within scope.
[29:45.400 --> 29:48.400]  All right, listen, Matt, can you hang on the line, please, because we're going
[29:48.400 --> 29:49.400]  to break?
[29:49.400 --> 29:50.400]  Yes.
[29:50.400 --> 29:52.400]  Okay, we'll be right back.
[29:52.400 --> 29:56.400]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens with Greg Chapman.
[29:56.400 --> 29:58.400]  We'll be right back.
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[30:03.400 --> 30:07.400]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties,
[30:07.400 --> 30:11.400]  and instability in rural financial systems, I see gold going up much higher.
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[30:58.400 --> 31:27.400]  Music playing.
[31:27.400 --> 31:32.400]  All right, we're chanting down Babylon here on the rule of law.
[31:32.400 --> 31:36.400]  Some three-shoes posse for you.
[31:36.400 --> 31:42.400]  And we are here with Greg Chapman from Agenda 21 Talk, one of our hosts on this
[31:42.400 --> 31:43.400]  network.
[31:43.400 --> 31:44.400]  We're speaking with Matt in Texas.
[31:44.400 --> 31:49.400]  Okay, Randy, continue the story about this rogue IRS agent who's been fired and
[31:49.400 --> 31:52.400]  is under criminal investigation.
[31:52.400 --> 31:57.400]  We got this one by using the Inspector General of the IRS.
[31:57.400 --> 32:03.400]  I had a friend tell me that the Inspector General of the IRS is the real deal,
[32:03.400 --> 32:08.400]  that he really does go after agents when they act improperly.
[32:08.400 --> 32:14.400]  So I had a friend that he upset some public officials.
[32:14.400 --> 32:16.400]  They sick the U.S. attorneys on him.
[32:16.400 --> 32:21.400]  The U.S. attorneys, they went and got an IRS agent because people are terrified
[32:21.400 --> 32:28.400]  of IRS agents and used the IRS agent to terrify everybody he knew.
[32:28.400 --> 32:29.400]  They never came to him.
[32:29.400 --> 32:31.400]  Nobody ever spoke to him.
[32:31.400 --> 32:32.400]  They never subpoenaed him.
[32:32.400 --> 32:35.400]  They didn't subpoena any records, nothing.
[32:35.400 --> 32:39.400]  So what that did is left him with no standing.
[32:39.400 --> 32:43.400]  They just went to everybody he knew and questioned him about it.
[32:43.400 --> 32:47.400]  Four years they did this.
[32:47.400 --> 32:51.400]  And they weren't finding anything, and I guess they got frustrated
[32:51.400 --> 32:53.400]  because he was coming after them.
[32:53.400 --> 32:58.400]  He made the agent mad because he found out where she lived
[32:58.400 --> 33:02.400]  and sent her a letter at her home.
[33:02.400 --> 33:06.400]  So she went berserk and was going to show him a thing or two
[33:06.400 --> 33:09.400]  and raided his friend's chiropractor clinic.
[33:09.400 --> 33:12.400]  They charged in with guns in their hands,
[33:12.400 --> 33:16.400]  pointed them in the face of everybody in the place.
[33:16.400 --> 33:25.400]  So I checked the IRS manual, and what it said about an IRS raid
[33:25.400 --> 33:30.400]  is that an IRS agent may only pull his weapon
[33:30.400 --> 33:36.400]  if he has cause to draw and discharge.
[33:36.400 --> 33:49.400]  And we claim this was all retaliation and a political...
[33:49.400 --> 33:50.400]  Randy, hold on.
[33:50.400 --> 33:54.400]  I think we're losing Randy here.
[33:54.400 --> 33:55.400]  I'm here.
[33:55.400 --> 33:58.400]  Hold on.
[33:58.400 --> 33:59.400]  I think you got a bad mic cable.
[33:59.400 --> 34:00.400]  Randy, you still there?
[34:00.400 --> 34:05.400]  Yes, I'm still here.
[34:05.400 --> 34:06.400]  Okay.
[34:06.400 --> 34:10.400]  Check, check, one, two, three.
[34:10.400 --> 34:11.400]  Am I still here?
[34:11.400 --> 34:12.400]  There you go.
[34:12.400 --> 34:13.400]  Go ahead.
[34:13.400 --> 34:14.400]  Okay.
[34:14.400 --> 34:15.400]  Okay.
[34:15.400 --> 34:21.400]  So they raided the place, and we filed a complaint,
[34:21.400 --> 34:25.400]  about a 50-page complaint, because there was a lot more than that.
[34:25.400 --> 34:32.400]  There are a lot of things, steps that an investigative agent has to go through.
[34:32.400 --> 34:35.400]  If they have an administrative collection procedure,
[34:35.400 --> 34:39.400]  that has to be completed before they do any kind of criminal investigation.
[34:39.400 --> 34:43.400]  And then there's three different stages of the criminal investigation,
[34:43.400 --> 34:47.400]  and there's all sorts of superiors they have to go through
[34:47.400 --> 34:50.400]  in order to get authorization to do these things.
[34:50.400 --> 34:53.400]  So I went through the manual pretty carefully,
[34:53.400 --> 34:57.400]  and then I named each of the superiors.
[34:57.400 --> 35:04.400]  Since she executed the raid, the presumption was that the superior authorized it.
[35:04.400 --> 35:08.400]  So I named the superiors, each one who would have authorized it,
[35:08.400 --> 35:11.400]  so I'd get them all in trouble.
[35:11.400 --> 35:12.400]  And it worked.
[35:12.400 --> 35:13.400]  It worked.
[35:13.400 --> 35:17.400]  You know, this big gob of poop, you just knock the lock out from under it,
[35:17.400 --> 35:18.400]  and it starts rolling downhill.
[35:18.400 --> 35:21.400]  Well, when it got to her, she was history.
[35:21.400 --> 35:27.400]  But, Randy, this doesn't really address the state situation.
[35:27.400 --> 35:29.400]  I mean, this was all within the feds.
[35:29.400 --> 35:31.400]  Okay, back to state.
[35:31.400 --> 35:36.400]  The agent has certain authorities,
[35:36.400 --> 35:43.400]  but filing a false lien in the state is not within the scope of the authority of the agent.
[35:43.400 --> 35:46.400]  What about a federal lien, or is there such a thing?
[35:46.400 --> 35:48.400]  Okay, let me explain about liens.
[35:48.400 --> 35:51.400]  And this is a problem that these guys that got in trouble
[35:51.400 --> 35:56.400]  by filing these liens against public officials didn't understand.
[35:56.400 --> 36:00.400]  When I went to Pennsylvania, everybody was saying, show me the lien.
[36:00.400 --> 36:03.400]  You're filing a notice of lien, show me the lien.
[36:03.400 --> 36:07.400]  And I'm saying, wait a minute, guys, you don't understand about a lien.
[36:07.400 --> 36:12.400]  A lien is not something that physically exists in the world.
[36:12.400 --> 36:17.400]  A lien is a legal entity.
[36:17.400 --> 36:22.400]  If you hire me to work on your house, I bring materials, I come do work,
[36:22.400 --> 36:27.400]  I invest the materials into your property.
[36:27.400 --> 36:31.400]  Under law, that creates a mechanics lien.
[36:31.400 --> 36:36.400]  The mechanics lien exists as a matter of law.
[36:36.400 --> 36:38.400]  There's no document.
[36:38.400 --> 36:42.400]  It doesn't have to be created physically.
[36:42.400 --> 36:48.400]  When I invest the money and the time, that creates the lien as a matter of law.
[36:48.400 --> 36:50.400]  Then I can go down, if you don't pay me,
[36:50.400 --> 36:54.400]  and file a notice of that lien that was created as a matter of law.
[36:54.400 --> 37:07.400]  When the IRS does an assessment, that creates a lien as a matter of law.
[37:07.400 --> 37:12.400]  Now, the lien exists as a matter of law, and they come down to the state
[37:12.400 --> 37:17.400]  and file notice of that lien that was created as a matter of law.
[37:17.400 --> 37:21.400]  The problem is, they didn't do the assessment.
[37:21.400 --> 37:26.400]  So no lien was ever created.
[37:26.400 --> 37:31.400]  So the agent comes down and files the notice of a non-existent lien.
[37:31.400 --> 37:35.400]  That's not within the scope of her authority.
[37:35.400 --> 37:40.400]  That's with this case about the officer who raped the woman he's taking to jail.
[37:40.400 --> 37:43.400]  Yeah, he was acting in the scope of his authority,
[37:43.400 --> 37:46.400]  arresting her and transporting her.
[37:46.400 --> 37:50.400]  But raping her was not within the scope of his authority.
[37:50.400 --> 37:56.400]  Filing a false lien in the state is not within the scope of the authority of the officer,
[37:56.400 --> 37:58.400]  so you file in the state.
[37:58.400 --> 37:59.400]  Well, the feds are going to come along and say,
[37:59.400 --> 38:02.400]  well, she's a federal officer, we're going to pull it out to the feds.
[38:02.400 --> 38:06.400]  Okay, but the state law comes with it.
[38:06.400 --> 38:08.400]  Why is that?
[38:08.400 --> 38:16.400]  Because the federal government, the feds, have a duty to enforce the state law
[38:16.400 --> 38:21.400]  against federal officials who violate the state law.
[38:21.400 --> 38:24.400]  That's how they make this work.
[38:24.400 --> 38:31.400]  Yeah, they can pull it to the fed, but they have to enforce the state law in the fed.
[38:31.400 --> 38:41.400]  And the whole thing is it's not so much about getting the agent actually convicted.
[38:41.400 --> 38:48.400]  It's about putting agents in a position to where they have to look at the specter.
[38:48.400 --> 38:50.400]  Right, think twice about it.
[38:50.400 --> 38:51.400]  And this we can do.
[38:51.400 --> 38:52.400]  We can beat them up.
[38:52.400 --> 38:54.400]  And you sue them.
[38:54.400 --> 38:56.400]  It's like Brian said.
[38:56.400 --> 38:59.400]  Their employer is going to take care of that.
[38:59.400 --> 39:01.400]  They're not going to be out any money.
[39:01.400 --> 39:05.400]  But when you start hammering them with criminal complaints,
[39:05.400 --> 39:17.400]  especially if you go for respondent superior, in this case we call it co-conspirator.
[39:17.400 --> 39:22.400]  They're all conspiring that this agent is working under the direction of somebody above her,
[39:22.400 --> 39:28.400]  and if it's a common practice, then it goes to RICO, but RICO is too hard to file.
[39:28.400 --> 39:34.400]  So we just file the criminal charges, accuse them all of conspiring to do this criminal act.
[39:34.400 --> 39:43.400]  And now you've got the boss and the boss's boss's boss with a criminal complaint filed against him in the state.
[39:43.400 --> 39:46.400]  And that never goes away.
[39:46.400 --> 39:47.400]  You get it filed in the court.
[39:47.400 --> 39:48.400]  It never goes away.
[39:48.400 --> 39:50.400]  It always stays in the record.
[39:50.400 --> 39:59.400]  And we're working on Texas to force public officials, the prosecutors and the judges, to file these complaints according to law,
[39:59.400 --> 40:02.400]  and that makes them record.
[40:02.400 --> 40:05.400]  So even if you give a complaint to a magistrate,
[40:05.400 --> 40:12.400]  rather he finds probable cause or releases the person at his liberty.
[40:12.400 --> 40:16.400]  In either case, he's commanded to seal all those documents in an envelope
[40:16.400 --> 40:20.400]  because the name will be written across the seal, forwarded through court jurisdiction.
[40:20.400 --> 40:27.400]  So it goes in the record and shows a finding of no probable cause, but it stays there.
[40:27.400 --> 40:30.400]  So they get a record.
[40:30.400 --> 40:36.400]  Just like I have a record, I was arrested, spent 24 hours in jail, and they let me go.
[40:36.400 --> 40:39.400]  No charges ever filed.
[40:39.400 --> 40:45.400]  But that record of my arrest for criminal trespass will always be there.
[40:45.400 --> 40:48.400]  It was absolutely bogus, but it's always there.
[40:48.400 --> 40:52.400]  We turn that on its head, do it back to them.
[40:52.400 --> 41:00.400]  That's what I was talking about earlier, about taking the same laws they use every day and bring it back to them.
[41:00.400 --> 41:12.400]  If the court says that you cannot file criminal charges against a person who commits a crime in the state just because he's a public official,
[41:12.400 --> 41:20.400]  they open a horrendous door, and the states would go berserk over that
[41:20.400 --> 41:30.400]  because then you've got public officials who can rob and steal and kill and do anything they want to in your state, and you can't do anything about it.
[41:30.400 --> 41:38.400]  So we go after things that if they open this door, the bad guys can run through it.
[41:38.400 --> 41:44.400]  That's why I'm reluctant about maritime law and commercial practices.
[41:44.400 --> 41:46.400]  It's not where I'm trying to go.
[41:46.400 --> 41:48.400]  It's not that I don't agree that they're okay.
[41:48.400 --> 41:53.400]  I see too many people using it to have no substance.
[41:53.400 --> 41:55.400]  It's just not where I'm going.
[41:55.400 --> 41:58.400]  I want to beat them up right here at home.
[41:58.400 --> 42:05.400]  A friend of mine's case where they put a notice on his door with duct tape, and it pulled a varnish off his door.
[42:05.400 --> 42:09.400]  Charge her with criminal trespass.
[42:09.400 --> 42:16.400]  She can do her job, but it doesn't involve trespassing on somebody's property and damaging their property.
[42:16.400 --> 42:25.400]  In this case, he sent her a letter, asked her not to do that anymore, and she came back the next week and put it with even more tape.
[42:25.400 --> 42:28.400]  I'd call the police, arrest this person.
[42:28.400 --> 42:30.400]  I'll file a complaint.
[42:30.400 --> 42:41.400]  Well, then it kind of doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me why the Attorney General for Idaho couldn't prosecute those feds in the Randy Weaver case then.
[42:41.400 --> 42:50.400]  Well, no, it's not, because murder certainly is not within the scope of the authority of the duty of the federal agent.
[42:50.400 --> 43:00.400]  What they're saying is if I file criminal trespass against this IRS agent, they would remove it to the federal court,
[43:00.400 --> 43:07.400]  but the federal court would have to prosecute her for criminal trespass of the state law.
[43:07.400 --> 43:09.400]  And see, here's the deal.
[43:09.400 --> 43:13.400]  You can't get the U.S. attorney to indict.
[43:13.400 --> 43:22.400]  You can't get her indicted in the state, and then the feds pull it to the fed that already got my indictment.
[43:22.400 --> 43:25.400]  So the U.S. attorney gets bypassed.
[43:25.400 --> 43:33.400]  Yeah, as long as the feds don't pull it before the indictment, which is what happened in the Randy Weaver case.
[43:33.400 --> 43:35.400]  You know, they just wouldn't let him prosecute at all.
[43:35.400 --> 43:38.400]  They didn't have a chance to get an indictment.
[43:38.400 --> 43:40.400]  Okay, listen, listen, we're going to break.
[43:40.400 --> 43:42.400]  Matt, do you have any other questions?
[43:42.400 --> 43:43.400]  No, that's good.
[43:43.400 --> 43:44.400]  Okay, great.
[43:44.400 --> 43:47.400]  All right, we'll be right back.
[43:47.400 --> 43:49.400]  We're here with Greg Chapman from Agenda 21 Talk.
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[45:35.400 --> 45:45.400]  These warm arms will come by that term of right.
[45:45.400 --> 45:49.400]  I won't pay for the war with my body.
[45:49.400 --> 45:52.400]  Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money.
[45:52.400 --> 45:55.400]  I won't pay for the fun with my body.
[45:55.400 --> 46:06.400]  That man's wicked and the logic's shoddy. Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body. I won't pay for the boys with my money.
[46:06.400 --> 46:10.400]  Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body.
[46:10.400 --> 46:13.400]  The whole agenda smells funny.
[46:13.400 --> 46:20.400]  I wanna fight in a war of my own.
[46:20.400 --> 46:26.400]  That one would be the last act for this war.
[46:26.400 --> 46:29.400]  Okay, we're fighting in a war of our own.
[46:29.400 --> 46:32.400]  We're making the rules this time.
[46:32.400 --> 46:38.400]  All right, we are taking your calls this evening, 512-646-1984.
[46:38.400 --> 46:46.400]  Okay, we are going next to Jim in Texas, who's been patiently holding. We also have Dominic and CJ in Maple Grove. He's one of our affiliates.
[46:46.400 --> 46:49.400]  Jim, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[46:49.400 --> 46:52.400]  Yeah, I really wanted to call and talk to Brian.
[46:52.400 --> 46:54.400]  I know. He had to go. I'm sorry.
[46:54.400 --> 47:04.400]  Well, I understand that. And my thing is the supremacy clause that everybody claims that the federal government has, supremacy over everything.
[47:04.400 --> 47:14.400]  There's a case, I don't know if you guys have ever read, Jones v. Timmer, a Colorado case, out of the federal court in Colorado.
[47:14.400 --> 47:16.400]  Do you have a citation on it?
[47:16.400 --> 47:38.400]  Let's see, federal supplement. Let's see, what was it? Cited as 829, federal supplement 1262, Denver, Colorado, 1993.
[47:38.400 --> 47:42.400]  It's not federal supplement two?
[47:42.400 --> 47:43.400]  Nope.
[47:43.400 --> 47:45.400]  Okay.
[47:45.400 --> 47:46.400]  Federal supplement.
[47:46.400 --> 47:48.400]  Okay, good.
[47:48.400 --> 47:55.400]  And in that case, it's basically dealing with the 14th Amendment.
[47:55.400 --> 48:11.400]  And it's very specific between, it refers to another case, Valley Forge Christian College, which I'm sure you've heard of.
[48:11.400 --> 48:20.400]  And it pretty much says that the privileges and immunity clause of the 14th Amendment protect very few rights
[48:20.400 --> 48:29.400]  because it neither incorporates any of the Bill of Rights nor protects all rights of individual citizens.
[48:29.400 --> 48:31.400]  And that's out of the slaughterhouse case.
[48:31.400 --> 48:37.400]  Instead, the provisions protect only those rights, particular to being a citizen of the federal government.
[48:37.400 --> 48:43.400]  It does not protect those rights which relate to state citizenship.
[48:43.400 --> 48:50.400]  And that to me says that it doesn't have the supreme power over everything.
[48:50.400 --> 48:56.400]  The state still has its rights.
[48:56.400 --> 49:00.400]  And those are pulled from the slaughterhouse case.
[49:00.400 --> 49:13.400]  And I've always had a problem, I guess, with all the claims of the federal government having jurisdiction over everybody and everything.
[49:13.400 --> 49:25.400]  He said that it has all territory of the United States or any of the property within the United States.
[49:25.400 --> 49:30.400]  But there's got to be some kind of difference there because it's specific.
[49:30.400 --> 49:35.400]  Here it says it doesn't protect the rights of citizens.
[49:35.400 --> 49:37.400]  So it doesn't have jurisdiction.
[49:37.400 --> 49:43.400]  This case was a person claiming the 14th Amendment.
[49:43.400 --> 49:50.400]  And they said, no, you can't claim the 14th Amendment because you've got a state constitution that guarantees your rights.
[49:50.400 --> 49:58.400]  No, what he's saying the Supremacy Clause does is brings a federal agent into the federal court.
[49:58.400 --> 50:02.400]  It wasn't about protecting rights.
[50:02.400 --> 50:14.400]  But in this, in the way I'm reading it, and I may be reading it wrong, the state citizens have their own individual rights.
[50:14.400 --> 50:24.400]  And if I have a crime committed against me as a state citizen in this state, then the state has authority over that.
[50:24.400 --> 50:32.400]  And I don't care who it's from, if it's from a federal agent or if it's from somebody from another country.
[50:32.400 --> 50:48.400]  If the crime was committed in this state in my locality against me that lives here in this state, how does the federal government get jurisdiction over anything?
[50:48.400 --> 50:56.400]  If an agent comes against me and does something, an ultra-virus act that's not within his authority.
[50:56.400 --> 50:59.400]  Okay, here's where we get there.
[50:59.400 --> 51:05.400]  If the agent is acting within the scope of his authority.
[51:05.400 --> 51:06.400]  Which is limited.
[51:06.400 --> 51:08.400]  Which is limited.
[51:08.400 --> 51:12.400]  And this is the issue I was trying to bring to Brian.
[51:12.400 --> 51:20.400]  Is it within the scope of the authority of these officers to shoot people in the back?
[51:20.400 --> 51:25.400]  Now, it's within their scope to be where they're at enforcing law.
[51:25.400 --> 51:26.400]  Right.
[51:26.400 --> 51:31.400]  And if they feel threatened, it's within the scope of their authority to defend themselves.
[51:31.400 --> 51:32.400]  Correct.
[51:32.400 --> 51:49.400]  But the question I wanted to ask, if an agent is driving down the road and I'm walking on the shoulder and for some reason the agent feels threatened, as he drives by, can he shoot me in the back?
[51:49.400 --> 51:51.400]  The obvious answer is going to be no.
[51:51.400 --> 51:52.400]  No.
[51:52.400 --> 52:02.400]  Here an agent feels threatened and he looks around and there are a number of people holding back a crowd.
[52:02.400 --> 52:03.400]  So.
[52:03.400 --> 52:06.400]  The best thing to do is leave.
[52:06.400 --> 52:12.400]  Is it within the scope of my authority to shoot the people who are protecting me?
[52:12.400 --> 52:17.400]  Now, if it's within his scope to shoot at the crowd, yes, he can shoot the crowd.
[52:17.400 --> 52:30.400]  But shooting at the people, you know, with most of the people who are shot, shot in the back, then that's evidence that he wasn't shooting at the crowd, but he was shooting at those people containing the crowd.
[52:30.400 --> 52:31.400]  Right.
[52:31.400 --> 52:34.400]  And I'm going to say that's not within his scope.
[52:34.400 --> 52:48.400]  But I think, and we did talk about this briefly on the break, and I think Brian was trying to say what his point was is try to get that adjudicated because they're going to pull that to federal court and they're going to protect him.
[52:48.400 --> 52:49.400]  Yeah.
[52:49.400 --> 52:52.400]  They're going to pull it to federal court anyway.
[52:52.400 --> 52:53.400]  Right.
[52:53.400 --> 52:54.400]  And they're going to protect him.
[52:54.400 --> 52:59.400]  The thing is, well, I'm not so sure.
[52:59.400 --> 53:01.400]  They didn't protect this IRS agent.
[53:01.400 --> 53:02.400]  Nobody protected her.
[53:02.400 --> 53:03.400]  She's gone.
[53:03.400 --> 53:04.400]  Okay.
[53:03.400 --> 53:15.400]  From here, if you're looking at a pure legal issue, what everybody ought to do, you're going to be disappointed.
[53:15.400 --> 53:22.400]  First thing we need to do is get them charged in the state with aggravated assault.
[53:22.400 --> 53:23.400]  Right.
[53:23.400 --> 53:24.400]  File charges against them.
[53:24.400 --> 53:30.400]  But Brian was just saying in light of the Randy Weaver case, they can't do that.
[53:30.400 --> 53:31.400]  Yeah, they can.
[53:31.400 --> 53:32.400]  Yeah, you can.
[53:32.400 --> 53:40.400]  They need to maintain the allegation of an act outside scope and go to a grand jury.
[53:40.400 --> 53:45.400]  Now, the Randy Weaver case was very, very high profile.
[53:45.400 --> 53:53.400]  And the governor waived what he was doing like a red flag, and it gave them opportunity to preempt.
[53:53.400 --> 53:57.400]  Well, see, also, Randy, here's the other situation.
[53:57.400 --> 54:00.400]  This occurred on National Forest.
[54:00.400 --> 54:04.400]  You know, now we're getting into an area of shared jurisdiction.
[54:04.400 --> 54:05.400]  Shared jurisdiction.
[54:05.400 --> 54:07.400]  We use the shared jurisdiction.
[54:07.400 --> 54:15.400]  Since these were not people acting as federal agents but acting in their private capacity, we have concurrent jurisdiction.
[54:15.400 --> 54:17.400]  What do you mean they were acting in their private capacity?
[54:17.400 --> 54:19.400]  They were acting as national forestry agents.
[54:19.400 --> 54:22.400]  Not when they shot these people in the back.
[54:22.400 --> 54:23.400]  They weren't.
[54:23.400 --> 54:25.400]  Oh, you're saying because it was outside of their scope?
[54:25.400 --> 54:26.400]  Outside of scope.
[54:26.400 --> 54:28.400]  It's an ultravirus act.
[54:28.400 --> 54:29.400]  That's correct.
[54:29.400 --> 54:30.400]  Right, right.
[54:30.400 --> 54:33.400]  They lose their cloak of immunity.
[54:33.400 --> 54:35.400]  So now we charge them in the state.
[54:35.400 --> 54:42.400]  We go to a state grand jury and make our case to a state grand jury.
[54:42.400 --> 54:53.400]  If we get an indictment, we bypass the U.S. attorney who's absolutely going to protect them and the FBI who are absolutely going to protect their brethren.
[54:53.400 --> 55:02.400]  Well, then we have to then, you know, and this is something I meant to get to about six months ago before, you know, I had to rebuild a radio network here.
[55:02.400 --> 55:05.400]  And so that's all I've been consumed with that.
[55:05.400 --> 55:08.400]  But this is something I wanted to get to many, many months ago.
[55:08.400 --> 55:09.400]  Okay.
[55:09.400 --> 55:16.400]  Somebody is going to have to research Wyoming law and deal with it and go there and deal with it.
[55:16.400 --> 55:19.400]  And I'm pretty far from Wyoming myself.
[55:19.400 --> 55:24.400]  The question here was about IRS agents.
[55:24.400 --> 55:27.400]  And, yeah, we can do this to IRS agents.
[55:27.400 --> 55:35.400]  We sneak down to the grand jury without going to the IRS or to the feds and say, hey, look what I'm going to do, look what I'm going to do.
[55:35.400 --> 55:36.400]  Don't tell them anything.
[55:36.400 --> 55:39.400]  Just go down and do it.
[55:39.400 --> 55:49.400]  And, you know, you're looking at a state grand jury where you're making criminal allegations in the state against an IRS agent.
[55:49.400 --> 55:52.400]  Now, how many buddies do you think they're going to have on the grand jury?
[55:52.400 --> 55:58.400]  How many buddies you're going to think they're going to have in the state district attorney's office?
[55:58.400 --> 55:59.400]  Zero.
[55:59.400 --> 56:10.400]  Remember, Debra and I were in New Mexico doing a seminar out there and we had a local district attorney in the audience.
[56:10.400 --> 56:13.400]  And I brought this issue up.
[56:13.400 --> 56:19.400]  You know, the feds come in and treat the state officials like their stepchildren.
[56:19.400 --> 56:25.400]  What's going to happen when you give these state officials a crack at one of these feds?
[56:25.400 --> 56:30.400]  And I look down at this prosecuting attorney and he's grinning from ear to ear.
[56:30.400 --> 56:32.400]  You bet.
[56:32.400 --> 56:33.400]  Oh, yeah.
[56:33.400 --> 56:35.400]  He looked like the Cheshire cat.
[56:35.400 --> 56:39.400]  And you know that the federal agents know that.
[56:39.400 --> 56:42.400]  The IRS agents are going to know that.
[56:42.400 --> 56:46.400]  We get the indictment in the state court.
[56:46.400 --> 56:52.400]  They move the case to the federal court, but the person's already been indicted.
[56:52.400 --> 56:56.400]  So we're past the U.S. attorney's shielding.
[56:56.400 --> 56:59.400]  Well, I don't understand what you mean, Randy.
[56:59.400 --> 57:08.400]  I mean, just because a person's been indicted in the state, if the federal courts say, sorry, you can't prosecute in the state, then what does it matter?
[57:08.400 --> 57:10.400]  He's already indicted.
[57:10.400 --> 57:14.400]  They have to enforce the state law.
[57:14.400 --> 57:16.400]  Why do they have to enforce the state law?
[57:16.400 --> 57:19.400]  That's in federal law.
[57:19.400 --> 57:29.400]  Okay, so what you're saying is the key is to try to sneak in the indictment before the feds pull it into federal court.
[57:29.400 --> 57:30.400]  Yes.
[57:30.400 --> 57:34.400]  And the Randy Weaver case was just too high profile to have that kind of time.
[57:34.400 --> 57:37.400]  Yeah, they waved it in their face and the feds come in and preempted them.
[57:37.400 --> 57:38.400]  Yeah.
[57:38.400 --> 57:40.400]  So we don't do that.
[57:40.400 --> 57:50.400]  Well, Randy, the Tony Davises thing where they found that the agent didn't exist that signed the...
[57:50.400 --> 57:55.400]  Yeah, that was, actually that was Lindsey Springer who...
[57:55.400 --> 57:56.400]  Springer?
[57:56.400 --> 57:59.400]  Yeah, Lindsey Springer is the one that found that.
[57:59.400 --> 58:00.400]  Okay.
[58:00.400 --> 58:04.400]  But Davis is the bulldog who will go after them and grind their souls.
[58:04.400 --> 58:10.400]  Well, and what I want, because that's exactly who signed mine here in this state.
[58:10.400 --> 58:20.400]  And I've already, and I've seen quite a few different ones of different people, friends of mine, that have had the same signature.
[58:20.400 --> 58:28.400]  I'm going to do a research on how many signatures in this county are that signature.
[58:28.400 --> 58:31.400]  File against, you need to read Lindsey Springer's stuff.
[58:31.400 --> 58:32.400]  We're going to go to break.
[58:32.400 --> 58:34.400]  If you could come back, I'd like to address this.
[58:34.400 --> 58:35.400]  Okay.
[58:35.400 --> 58:37.400]  Lindsey Springer has some documents on.
[58:37.400 --> 58:41.400]  He actually deposed this Mitchell.
[58:41.400 --> 58:43.400]  She's real.
[58:43.400 --> 58:44.400]  All right.
[58:44.400 --> 58:45.400]  Yeah, we're about to go to break.
[58:45.400 --> 58:46.400]  So just hang on the line, Jim.
[58:46.400 --> 58:48.400]  And then we're going to go to CJ in Minnesota.
[58:48.400 --> 58:52.400]  He's actually one of our affiliates in Maple Grove on the west side of Minneapolis.
[58:52.400 --> 59:20.400]  Hang on the line and we'll be right back.
[59:20.400 --> 59:30.400]  Okay.
[59:30.400 --> 59:59.400]  All right.
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[01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:15.400]  We are back, the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.400]  We've got Greg Chapman on the line here, one of our hosts.
[01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.400]  We are speaking with Jim in Texas.
[01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:21.400]  We've got more.
[01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.400]  We've got CJ, one of our affiliates.
[01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:25.400]  We'll be taking him next.
[01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:41.400]  Okay.
[01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:45.400]  And what I'm saying is all these people have been fighting the IRS and get
[01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.400]  rolled over like a steamroller.
[01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:48.400]  Okay.
[01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:50.400]  Let's stop fighting the IRS.
[01:01:50.400 --> 01:02:01.560]  IRS, it's these few occasional rogue agents that are out here abusing us and the IRS,
[01:02:01.560 --> 01:02:09.120]  making them look bad by violating the IRS's own laws and local state law.
[01:02:09.120 --> 01:02:15.160]  So it's appropriate that we go after the individual for the individual crimes they commit, like
[01:02:15.160 --> 01:02:19.820]  the one that put the tape on the front door and he sent a letter asking her not to do
[01:02:19.820 --> 01:02:23.720]  that again, she came back and did it again worse.
[01:02:23.720 --> 01:02:28.120]  That's criminal trespass, that's a state crime.
[01:02:28.120 --> 01:02:33.800]  She has no authority to go damage someone else's property.
[01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:40.000]  So bring her in the state court and go ahead and let them pull it out of the state court
[01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:41.680]  to the Fed.
[01:02:41.680 --> 01:02:47.640]  You don't need an indictment for a misdemeanor in Texas, you get the complaint filed, she's
[01:02:47.640 --> 01:02:50.040]  already on the hook.
[01:02:50.040 --> 01:02:52.880]  Now the Feds pull it out and have to prosecute her in the federal court.
[01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.160]  Now she's pretty sure she's going to win.
[01:02:56.160 --> 01:03:00.080]  But then again, it's like the seminar I did in California, I'm talking about, I mean in
[01:03:00.080 --> 01:03:02.200]  Colorado, I'm talking about this.
[01:03:02.200 --> 01:03:07.040]  And I ask, okay, who here wants to play Russian roulette?
[01:03:07.040 --> 01:03:12.280]  Let's not use a six shooter, let's use a nine millimeter, put one live round and 14 blanks
[01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:14.520]  so your odds are better.
[01:03:14.520 --> 01:03:17.380]  I got no takers.
[01:03:17.380 --> 01:03:23.760]  We start going after these agents criminally, you know, maybe they don't get indicted or
[01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.040]  maybe they don't get convicted.
[01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:31.760]  But they could have, they're facing the prospect, all of a sudden they're saying to their boss,
[01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:37.040]  hey, wait a minute, you want to do this crapola, you go do it.
[01:03:37.040 --> 01:03:42.100]  I don't want to face prosecution again.
[01:03:42.100 --> 01:03:43.100]  That's what I've been working on.
[01:03:43.100 --> 01:03:46.120]  That's what I'm hoping I can get people to start doing.
[01:03:46.120 --> 01:03:48.080]  It's pretty clean, but we do need to move along.
[01:03:48.080 --> 01:03:49.080]  We got a bunch of callers.
[01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:51.520]  Well, you said R.A. Mitchell was a real person.
[01:03:51.520 --> 01:03:52.520]  Yes, he is.
[01:03:52.520 --> 01:03:53.520]  She is.
[01:03:53.520 --> 01:03:54.520]  It's a female.
[01:03:54.520 --> 01:03:55.520]  It is a female.
[01:03:55.520 --> 01:04:01.080]  She says you won't believe how many times she's been sued, but she's never had been
[01:04:01.080 --> 01:04:02.360]  deposed before.
[01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:06.960]  She's never had to answer any discovery, you know, the IRS has taken up everything.
[01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:11.000]  Somehow Springer got her deposed directly.
[01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:12.880]  And that's what I want.
[01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:13.880]  Fine.
[01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:14.880]  Yes.
[01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:21.560]  I'm going to call a Google Lindsey Springer, or Ixquick, please, no Googles.
[01:04:21.560 --> 01:04:22.560]  There you go.
[01:04:22.560 --> 01:04:23.560]  Ixquiggle.
[01:04:23.560 --> 01:04:24.560]  Ixquiggle.
[01:04:24.560 --> 01:04:25.560]  No Google.
[01:04:25.560 --> 01:04:26.560]  We've got to get that changed.
[01:04:26.560 --> 01:04:27.560]  No Google at all.
[01:04:27.560 --> 01:04:28.560]  Yes, right.
[01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:29.560]  All right.
[01:04:29.560 --> 01:04:30.560]  Well, thanks.
[01:04:30.560 --> 01:04:31.560]  Okay.
[01:04:31.560 --> 01:04:32.560]  Thank you, Jim.
[01:04:32.560 --> 01:04:33.560]  Bye.
[01:04:33.560 --> 01:04:34.560]  Okay.
[01:04:34.560 --> 01:04:37.360]  We're going to go now to CJ in Minnesota.
[01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:41.080]  He's one of our affiliates in Maple Grove on the west side of Minneapolis.
[01:04:41.080 --> 01:04:42.080]  Thank you for calling in, CJ.
[01:04:42.080 --> 01:04:43.080]  Hey, how's it going, guys?
[01:04:43.080 --> 01:04:44.080]  Great.
[01:04:44.080 --> 01:04:45.080]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:04:45.080 --> 01:04:46.080]  It's hot down here.
[01:04:46.080 --> 01:04:47.080]  Actually, it's about 55 degrees, so it's not that hot.
[01:04:47.080 --> 01:04:48.080]  What's on your mind, CJ?
[01:04:48.080 --> 01:04:49.080]  Well, hey, I just left the theater, went and seen a movie with my daughter, and I left
[01:04:49.080 --> 01:04:50.080]  the theater, and, you know, and I took off a little fast, but I was on private property,
[01:04:50.080 --> 01:04:51.080]  and my headlights weren't turned on.
[01:04:51.080 --> 01:04:52.080]  I noticed they weren't turned on.
[01:04:52.080 --> 01:04:53.080]  I turned them on before I even got on the public streets or anything.
[01:04:53.080 --> 01:04:54.080]  And then Mr. Police Officer jumped up right behind me and hit his leg.
[01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:55.080]  And I was like, oh, my God.
[01:04:55.080 --> 01:04:56.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:04:56.080 --> 01:04:57.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:04:57.080 --> 01:04:58.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:04:58.080 --> 01:04:59.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:04:59.080 --> 01:05:00.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:05:00.080 --> 01:05:01.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:05:01.080 --> 01:05:02.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:05:02.080 --> 01:05:17.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:05:17.080 --> 01:05:18.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:05:18.080 --> 01:05:19.080]  Oh, my God.
[01:05:19.080 --> 01:05:32.080]  I looked out the window and I said, I'm going to go across the street because there's people
[01:05:32.080 --> 01:05:37.080]  behind us, so I went across the parking lot or across the city street and into another
[01:05:37.080 --> 01:05:38.080]  private property place.
[01:05:38.080 --> 01:05:39.080]  And this guy, I told him, I said, he comes up and he goes, da, da, da, da, da, da, and
[01:05:39.080 --> 01:05:40.080]  I said, what seems to be the problem?
[01:05:40.080 --> 01:05:41.080]  And he says, well, you're speeding and you're driving without your headlights.
[01:05:41.080 --> 01:05:49.040]  I said, my headlights are turned on, and I'm on private property, so you have no right
[01:05:49.040 --> 01:05:51.160]  to be pulling me over.
[01:05:51.160 --> 01:05:55.040]  And he said, I want to see your driver's license and your proof of insurance.
[01:05:55.040 --> 01:05:56.040]  I said, that's fine.
[01:05:56.040 --> 01:05:59.680]  So I gave him my driver's license, which are, it's a clean driver's license.
[01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:03.680]  They don't have any speeding tickets and anything in over 10 years.
[01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:09.520]  And then I gave him my insurance card and then he handed my insurance card back and
[01:06:09.520 --> 01:06:14.160]  I told him, if you write me a ticket on private property, I will take you to court and I will
[01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:20.720]  also call the prosecuting attorney and file a charge against you for harassment.
[01:06:20.720 --> 01:06:25.840]  And he went back to his car and he proceeded to write me a ticket.
[01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:31.000]  He came back to the car and handed me all four copies of the ticket.
[01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.480]  And I told him right when he walked up to the window, I'm not signing that ticket.
[01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.680]  And I know if you sign a ticket, you lose some, you give up some of your rights, correct?
[01:06:39.680 --> 01:06:41.680]  No, no, absolutely not.
[01:06:41.680 --> 01:06:44.280]  You give up nothing.
[01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:45.280]  No?
[01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:46.280]  No.
[01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:53.320]  You're just, if you're, if a policeman observes you commit a crime, he has a duty to arrest
[01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.640]  you and take you to the nearest magistrate.
[01:06:56.640 --> 01:07:03.640]  So on traffic citations, they want the officer to be able to write more tickets.
[01:07:03.640 --> 01:07:07.520]  So they don't want him to have to take the time of taking you to a magistrate.
[01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:15.680]  So they said, okay, if you sign an agreement to take yourself to a magistrate, we, the
[01:07:15.680 --> 01:07:19.680]  officer has, now has authority to release you on your own recognizance.
[01:07:19.680 --> 01:07:20.680]  Okay.
[01:07:20.680 --> 01:07:23.720]  And that does not grant him no authority.
[01:07:23.720 --> 01:07:24.720]  You give up nothing.
[01:07:24.720 --> 01:07:25.720]  Okay.
[01:07:25.720 --> 01:07:30.200]  I thought that somebody I was talking to said that you actually do give up some when you
[01:07:30.200 --> 01:07:31.200]  sign that.
[01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:32.200]  Yeah.
[01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:33.200]  Some guys say that, but they're full of crap.
[01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:34.200]  Okay.
[01:07:34.200 --> 01:07:40.440]  Here's the funny part, guys, when you get a ticket, there is a white copy at the bottom
[01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:45.320]  of it says the defendant's copy to be mailed in and the envelope provided.
[01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.560]  That's the hard white copy that goes in the envelope.
[01:07:48.560 --> 01:07:49.560]  Then I got a pink copy.
[01:07:49.560 --> 01:07:52.080]  It says defendant's copy.
[01:07:52.080 --> 01:07:56.000]  Then I got the officer's copy, which is the yellow copy.
[01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:58.880]  And then I actually got the green copy that he wrote on.
[01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.240]  So what does he have?
[01:08:01.240 --> 01:08:04.000]  I have all four pieces of documents here.
[01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:14.160]  We still need to file, take one of the documents, take your copy and file a complaint against
[01:08:14.160 --> 01:08:15.160]  them.
[01:08:15.160 --> 01:08:16.160]  Randy.
[01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:19.160]  Randy, we're losing you.
[01:08:19.160 --> 01:08:20.160]  Okay.
[01:08:20.160 --> 01:08:21.160]  Check, check.
[01:08:21.160 --> 01:08:22.160]  Okay.
[01:08:22.160 --> 01:08:23.160]  Yeah.
[01:08:23.160 --> 01:08:27.480]  I think that you need to like plug the, you need to plug the cable like in your microphone
[01:08:27.480 --> 01:08:28.480]  again or something.
[01:08:28.480 --> 01:08:29.480]  I plugged that earlier.
[01:08:29.480 --> 01:08:30.480]  Okay.
[01:08:30.480 --> 01:08:31.480]  All right.
[01:08:31.480 --> 01:08:32.480]  That's better.
[01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:33.480]  Okay.
[01:08:33.480 --> 01:08:34.480]  I was pushing on the cable.
[01:08:34.480 --> 01:08:35.480]  Okay.
[01:08:35.480 --> 01:08:36.480]  I was pushing on the cable.
[01:08:36.480 --> 01:08:37.480]  Okay.
[01:08:37.480 --> 01:08:38.480]  Well, that's worse.
[01:08:38.480 --> 01:08:39.480]  Okay.
[01:08:39.480 --> 01:08:40.480]  Go ahead.
[01:08:40.480 --> 01:08:41.480]  I can't plug it in if I don't push.
[01:08:41.480 --> 01:08:42.480]  Okay.
[01:08:42.480 --> 01:08:43.480]  Go ahead.
[01:08:43.480 --> 01:08:44.480]  Okay.
[01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:52.320]  Anyway, you don't know that he didn't file that with the court.
[01:08:52.320 --> 01:08:58.280]  You think he didn't, but you don't know, I'd go down and file a complaint against him.
[01:08:58.280 --> 01:09:01.720]  And he doesn't have any, I mean, what copy would he have?
[01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:06.640]  Because it clearly states that I have the copy for the court, which was actually what
[01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.440]  he wrote on with the pen.
[01:09:08.440 --> 01:09:11.800]  Just think of what that's going to do to him.
[01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:15.780]  You file a copy of your copy.
[01:09:15.780 --> 01:09:19.520]  You make a photocopy of your copy and you file that with your complaint.
[01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.120]  And they're going to go to him and say, what about this ticket?
[01:09:23.120 --> 01:09:26.560]  He's going to say, what ticket?
[01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:29.560]  Where's your copy?
[01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:37.960]  Exactly, I mean, it's almost ridiculous because he knew that I knew that I was on private
[01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:38.960]  property.
[01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:41.080]  So then I did the same thing.
[01:09:41.080 --> 01:09:45.700]  I drove as fast as I did off from when he gave me the ticket and I said, I will see
[01:09:45.700 --> 01:09:46.980]  you in court.
[01:09:46.980 --> 01:09:50.560]  And I said, and if I don't see you in court, I'll file a complaint with the prosecuting
[01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:53.960]  attorney for harassment against this.
[01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:59.240]  And then I turned around, I went right back to the theater.
[01:09:59.240 --> 01:10:04.600]  And I went inside the theater and I got the general manager of the theater.
[01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:11.320]  And I had her sign on one of their headers that their parking lot is private property
[01:10:11.320 --> 01:10:15.760]  and that there is no speed sign posted.
[01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.840]  And she signed it and dated it and put her phone number down.
[01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:20.840]  Cool.
[01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:21.840]  Yeah.
[01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:26.240]  That's going to be a fun one to go to court with, huh?
[01:10:26.240 --> 01:10:32.240]  Now that's a slick way to get a girl's phone number.
[01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:35.240]  Only if she was hot, huh?
[01:10:35.240 --> 01:10:36.240]  That's beautiful.
[01:10:36.240 --> 01:10:39.320]  Well, now you got the policeman doing something stupid.
[01:10:39.320 --> 01:10:44.920]  He saved face for himself by writing you the ticket, but he kept himself from getting in
[01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.840]  trouble by giving you all four copies.
[01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:48.840]  Yeah.
[01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:52.960]  Now you go down and put him in a position to where he has to explain to the judge why
[01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:56.360]  you have a copy of the ticket and he doesn't.
[01:10:56.360 --> 01:10:57.360]  Right.
[01:10:57.360 --> 01:11:01.240]  He's got to explain something to somebody anyway because I don't know about Texas, but
[01:11:01.240 --> 01:11:09.040]  in Alabama, those ticket booklets, each one of them has to be accounted for, each ticket
[01:11:09.040 --> 01:11:10.040]  in there.
[01:11:10.040 --> 01:11:15.200]  And if there's one missing, then the guy's got to account for that some way anyway.
[01:11:15.200 --> 01:11:17.720]  Oh, I spilt coffee on it.
[01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:24.280]  You know, he'll make up some whopper if they ask him about it and then it shows up and
[01:11:24.280 --> 01:11:27.440]  they're going to be asking him where the other three copies are.
[01:11:27.440 --> 01:11:31.280]  But there is only four copies to a ticket, correct?
[01:11:31.280 --> 01:11:37.280]  I guess that's going to depend on the jurisdiction.
[01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:38.280]  But you don't know.
[01:11:38.280 --> 01:11:39.280]  You really don't know.
[01:11:39.280 --> 01:11:40.280]  He might have another copy.
[01:11:40.280 --> 01:11:41.280]  Right.
[01:11:41.280 --> 01:11:46.080]  So you need to act like there is another copy and go after him.
[01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:49.720]  If there's not another copy, he's got a lot of explaining to do.
[01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:57.280]  Well, heck, I just go ask another police officer, how many copies are there for your ticket?
[01:11:57.280 --> 01:11:58.280]  Right.
[01:11:58.280 --> 01:12:02.360]  And then, you know, do I bring the ticket down to the courthouse with me and then...
[01:12:02.360 --> 01:12:06.040]  No, no, don't let them even get close to that ticket.
[01:12:06.040 --> 01:12:07.640]  Bring a photocopy of it.
[01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:08.920]  Oh, bring the photocopy.
[01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:13.200]  Yeah, because they're liable to swipe the original that you bring.
[01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:16.360]  I wouldn't bring the original, but yeah.
[01:12:16.360 --> 01:12:18.080]  Yeah, bring them a photocopy.
[01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:19.080]  Don't bring them...
[01:12:19.080 --> 01:12:21.640]  You've got all four originals.
[01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:26.280]  Don't let them see those because you're going to have that cop looking for the other...
[01:12:26.280 --> 01:12:30.760]  They're going to be asking him where the other copies are and he's going to give them a bunch
[01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:33.840]  of crap, but he's going to know you got them.
[01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:38.120]  And the greatest thing about this is I'm airing this live all over Maple Grove right now.
[01:12:38.120 --> 01:12:39.120]  All right.
[01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:48.480]  On the back of my car, I've got the Liberty Radio 17 AM sticker, it's huge, all over my
[01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:49.480]  car now.
[01:12:49.480 --> 01:12:52.280]  So I'm advertising the radio station everywhere I drive the car.
[01:12:52.280 --> 01:12:53.280]  Wonderful.
[01:12:53.280 --> 01:12:55.640]  Now, is this 1700 or 1710?
[01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:56.640]  1710.
[01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:58.760]  1710, this is awesome.
[01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:03.920]  And I turn around and I said, you look at the back of my window, you turn on your AM
[01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:07.600]  radio right now, rule of law radio is on there right now.
[01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:11.280]  And when I get home, I'm going to exploit you on it.
[01:13:11.280 --> 01:13:13.160]  So this just happened?
[01:13:13.160 --> 01:13:14.160]  This just happened.
[01:13:14.160 --> 01:13:15.160]  Oh, wonderful.
[01:13:15.160 --> 01:13:16.160]  I'm pumped right now.
[01:13:16.160 --> 01:13:17.160]  Maybe he's listening.
[01:13:17.160 --> 01:13:25.360]  Yeah, I hope he is listening, Mr. Officer 86, because you just got yourself in a little
[01:13:25.360 --> 01:13:26.360]  hot water.
[01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:30.920]  Because I tell you right now, I'm not putting up with this.
[01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:36.880]  And I also got on the air when I got home and I just patched in and I said, look, anybody
[01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:43.480]  in Maple Grove that's getting tickets like this on private property, email me at Liberty
[01:13:43.480 --> 01:13:51.160]  Radio AM 1710 at gmail.com and I will help you get out of these tickets because if you're
[01:13:51.160 --> 01:13:55.280]  on private property getting tickets, you take them down and you fight it and turn around
[01:13:55.280 --> 01:14:00.400]  and file a complaint on that officer because this is private property that you're actually
[01:14:00.400 --> 01:14:04.280]  getting these tickets on and that's the violation of the Constitution.
[01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:05.280]  They can't do that.
[01:14:05.280 --> 01:14:06.280]  Good.
[01:14:06.280 --> 01:14:07.280]  Let's make some better officers.
[01:14:07.280 --> 01:14:08.280]  Well, yeah.
[01:14:08.280 --> 01:14:13.440]  I mean, if you're going to pull me over and if I do something wrong, by all means, pull
[01:14:13.440 --> 01:14:16.040]  me over, you know.
[01:14:16.040 --> 01:14:21.120]  But if I didn't, you know, if I'm on private property, wait till I get out on the road.
[01:14:21.120 --> 01:14:25.840]  Wait till I get out on City Street and then hit me up, you know.
[01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:26.840]  Follow the law.
[01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:30.040]  Just because you wear that badge does not give you the right to be above the law and
[01:14:30.040 --> 01:14:34.960]  think wherever you're at in the city of Maple Grove that you've got the right to buy a ticket
[01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:38.440]  for anything that you feel, you know, feel cause for.
[01:14:38.440 --> 01:14:40.760]  Did you get Officer 88's name?
[01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:43.040]  No, he did not put his name on there.
[01:14:43.040 --> 01:14:45.080]  He just put badge number 86.
[01:14:45.080 --> 01:14:48.840]  Oh, so he didn't have a name tag on?
[01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.240]  Yeah, he did.
[01:14:50.240 --> 01:14:52.880]  Now, I was just giving it to him too.
[01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.440]  I always want name.
[01:14:55.440 --> 01:14:57.120]  We have a lot of fun with name.
[01:14:57.120 --> 01:15:02.080]  Yeah, I wish I would have got his name too because then we could, you know, really exploit
[01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:03.080]  him.
[01:15:03.080 --> 01:15:06.360]  Isn't that unusual, they usually put their name on the ticket.
[01:15:06.360 --> 01:15:08.400]  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:13.000]  You could always ask him when you get pulled over, what is your name, Officer?
[01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:14.000]  Right.
[01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:18.160]  We did that at the federal, the FBI in Pennsylvania.
[01:15:18.160 --> 01:15:22.440]  It was a hoot.
[01:15:22.440 --> 01:15:28.640]  The guy, I asked him what his name is and he's a young guy so he's probably just started.
[01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:34.440]  He looks down at the table and he said, we're not allowed to identify ourselves.
[01:15:34.440 --> 01:15:37.840]  You're from the public office.
[01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:38.840]  What do you mean you're not?
[01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:41.360]  I said, say what?
[01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:42.360]  Exactly.
[01:15:42.360 --> 01:15:50.200]  We got secret police now and he had this garish blue tie on so I said, what do we call you,
[01:15:50.200 --> 01:15:51.960]  secret agent blue tie?
[01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:57.880]  And Deb was sitting over there, she nearly fell out of the chair.
[01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.880]  I was laughing so hard and he was so embarrassed too.
[01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:04.280]  If he could have found a hole, he would have crawled in it.
[01:16:04.280 --> 01:16:05.280]  That's hilarious.
[01:16:05.280 --> 01:16:10.680]  I know that that officer turned on the radio and he heard you guys talking about the law
[01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:14.480]  and he was like, oh boy, what did I just do?
[01:16:14.480 --> 01:16:17.720]  Why would you give me all four copies of the ticket?
[01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:19.920]  Yeah, this will make him a better officer.
[01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:22.520]  Well, and it should, you know, and that's what we're looking for.
[01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:26.040]  If you're going to put it, if you're going to wear the badge and you're going to drive
[01:16:26.040 --> 01:16:30.320]  in the cars and you're going to uphold the law, you're there to protect and serve.
[01:16:30.320 --> 01:16:35.280]  Yeah, you're there to protect me and you better be afraid of me while you're doing it because
[01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:37.640]  I'm the one that can sting you good.
[01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:39.680]  Well, yeah, I mean, you work for me.
[01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.400]  I pay the property taxes, I pay my taxes.
[01:16:42.400 --> 01:16:43.400]  You work for me.
[01:16:43.400 --> 01:16:44.400]  That's right.
[01:16:44.400 --> 01:16:45.400]  All right.
[01:16:45.400 --> 01:16:46.400]  Listen, CJ, we're going to break.
[01:16:46.400 --> 01:16:47.400]  Do you want to hang on to the other side?
[01:16:47.400 --> 01:16:48.400]  Sure.
[01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:49.400]  Okay.
[01:16:49.400 --> 01:16:50.400]  All right.
[01:16:50.400 --> 01:16:51.400]  We'll be right back.
[01:16:51.400 --> 01:16:52.400]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:16:52.400 --> 01:17:00.000]  We've got Eddie and Dominic coming right up, 512-646-1984.
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[01:19:05.160 --> 01:19:09.160]  Okay, we're speaking with CJ in Minnesota, he's one of our affiliates
[01:19:09.160 --> 01:19:12.160]  Telling it like it is up there
[01:19:12.160 --> 01:19:14.160]  Haha, that's right
[01:19:14.160 --> 01:19:19.160]  Say I'm reading this ticket right here, my first offense was driving without a headlight
[01:19:19.160 --> 01:19:22.160]  And that's statue 169.48
[01:19:22.160 --> 01:19:27.160]  And then the second offense was speeding 32-1 ordinance
[01:19:27.160 --> 01:19:32.160]  It wasn't even a C, it didn't even circle a statue, it was just ORD
[01:19:32.160 --> 01:19:34.160]  How fast were you going in the parking lot?
[01:19:34.160 --> 01:19:37.160]  I wasn't going that fast, I couldn't even have been speeding
[01:19:37.160 --> 01:19:41.160]  Take a photograph of the area where he pulled me over and everything
[01:19:41.160 --> 01:19:45.160]  It was less than 100 yards
[01:19:45.160 --> 01:19:51.160]  He just wanted to show out in front of everybody and try to make a, you know, and try to say
[01:19:51.160 --> 01:19:54.160]  Hey, don't you be doing anything like this
[01:19:54.160 --> 01:19:58.160]  And I really wasn't doing anything wrong, I just had my hydraulics, I bounced my car
[01:19:58.160 --> 01:20:04.160]  It's got some, you know, hydraulics on it and I bounced the front of the car a little bit
[01:20:04.160 --> 01:20:08.160]  And amazingly, he didn't even give me a ticket for noise ordinance
[01:20:08.160 --> 01:20:14.160]  Because I had my stereo up pretty loud playing a little vlog radio
[01:20:14.160 --> 01:20:17.160]  He didn't give you a bouncing the car ticket?
[01:20:17.160 --> 01:20:21.160]  Yeah, he didn't give me a reckless or anything, but oh boy, you were speeding
[01:20:21.160 --> 01:20:23.160]  And I'm like, yeah, show me the posted speed sign
[01:20:23.160 --> 01:20:25.160]  He says it's 10 miles an hour, I said how am I supposed to know that?
[01:20:25.160 --> 01:20:28.160]  There's not a speed sign posted
[01:20:28.160 --> 01:20:32.160]  And the best thing about it is I went right there, I went right back across the street
[01:20:32.160 --> 01:20:35.160]  Went right to the theater, got the general manager to come out
[01:20:35.160 --> 01:20:39.160]  And she signed all this stuff saying that no, this is private property
[01:20:39.160 --> 01:20:40.160]  Wow
[01:20:40.160 --> 01:20:43.160]  And that this right here, there is no speed signs posted
[01:20:43.160 --> 01:20:46.160]  That cancels that ticket out immediately, he knew he didn't have a case
[01:20:46.160 --> 01:20:49.160]  That's why he gave me all four copies of the thing
[01:20:49.160 --> 01:20:52.160]  That's crazy, he didn't even keep a copy
[01:20:52.160 --> 01:20:56.160]  I know, right, and he comes back to the car, you got 21 days to see this
[01:20:56.160 --> 01:21:01.160]  I said no, you got 21 days to answer to the prosecution attorney why you did this
[01:21:01.160 --> 01:21:07.160]  Tell me I got 21 days, I know the law now
[01:21:07.160 --> 01:21:14.160]  I'm well too connected with you people and too much is going on now in the world
[01:21:14.160 --> 01:21:24.160]  And I've been debunked from the general society of okay Mr. Officer, I'll go down and pay this just because you wrote it
[01:21:24.160 --> 01:21:27.160]  So you're no longer a sleepy sheeple
[01:21:27.160 --> 01:21:30.160]  Yeah, the straw man is gone
[01:21:30.160 --> 01:21:33.160]  All right, good for you CJ
[01:21:33.160 --> 01:21:41.160]  Just to give a shout out to Chess out there on Liberty 1640 out in Sioux Falls in Omaha
[01:21:41.160 --> 01:21:44.160]  Big ups to them guys and Jim Percy as well
[01:21:44.160 --> 01:21:49.160]  I got the Freedom Package and we're going to take advantage of every one of them in the Freedom Package
[01:21:49.160 --> 01:21:51.160]  All right
[01:21:51.160 --> 01:21:55.160]  I love you guys, you guys rock, I'm going to keep you on all the time
[01:21:55.160 --> 01:22:01.160]  Should post something up on the website about us here so that whenever people are coming in
[01:22:01.160 --> 01:22:08.160]  I got an email from somebody that's like five cities away that was listening to the station
[01:22:08.160 --> 01:22:12.160]  And he picked up 1710
[01:22:12.160 --> 01:22:13.160]  That's great
[01:22:13.160 --> 01:22:14.160]  Wonderful
[01:22:14.160 --> 01:22:22.160]  Lake Minnetonka was listening in and he gave me an email saying hey man I picked you up on there on the rural law radio then
[01:22:22.160 --> 01:22:26.160]  And thanks for airing it because nobody else in town will air this stuff
[01:22:26.160 --> 01:22:27.160]  Oh that's great
[01:22:27.160 --> 01:22:31.160]  Isn't that right down from Lake Wobegon?
[01:22:31.160 --> 01:22:36.160]  Mr. Officer 86 Wobegon
[01:22:36.160 --> 01:22:40.160]  Thank you so much, we really appreciate CJ
[01:22:40.160 --> 01:22:47.160]  Yeah, no problem, like I said I love you guys and keep giving the Americans the truth
[01:22:47.160 --> 01:22:53.160]  That's what we're all here to do and let's make a difference in the United States
[01:22:53.160 --> 01:22:55.160]  That's all I got to say
[01:22:55.160 --> 01:22:56.160]  Thank you
[01:22:56.160 --> 01:22:57.160]  Excellent
[01:22:57.160 --> 01:23:01.160]  I appreciate you guys' station and all the help that you're bringing to not just myself
[01:23:01.160 --> 01:23:04.160]  But to the other people that I'm airing too as well across the country
[01:23:04.160 --> 01:23:09.160]  I hear all the calls coming in and it's just awesome to hear people stand up for their rights
[01:23:09.160 --> 01:23:10.160]  That's great
[01:23:10.160 --> 01:23:14.160]  We're the most powerful people in the world but if you don't exercise your rights you're nothing
[01:23:14.160 --> 01:23:15.160]  Exactly
[01:23:15.160 --> 01:23:18.160]  All right, thank you CJ
[01:23:18.160 --> 01:23:22.160]  Okay we're going to go now to Eddie in Texas
[01:23:22.160 --> 01:23:26.160]  Okay we've got Eddie, this is Eddie Craig from Nacogdoches
[01:23:26.160 --> 01:23:28.160]  He's been a guest on our show a couple times
[01:23:28.160 --> 01:23:30.160]  He did sales tax last night
[01:23:30.160 --> 01:23:33.160]  He walked through the traffic code
[01:23:33.160 --> 01:23:35.160]  Last Friday
[01:23:35.160 --> 01:23:36.160]  On Monday
[01:23:36.160 --> 01:23:39.160]  On Monday, yes so what do you got for us tonight Eddie?
[01:23:39.160 --> 01:23:46.160]  Well I was listening to CJ there and CJ just so you know he has completely admitted
[01:23:46.160 --> 01:23:50.160]  And given you 100% evidence to go against him for harassment
[01:23:50.160 --> 01:23:53.160]  Just by giving you all four copies of those tickets
[01:23:53.160 --> 01:23:58.160]  So I hope he understands that now you've got him dead to rights on that charge
[01:23:58.160 --> 01:24:00.160]  Which Randy was bringing up as well
[01:24:00.160 --> 01:24:03.160]  Also I wanted to touch base with a couple of folks
[01:24:03.160 --> 01:24:06.160]  I've got a lot of people sending me email from the show on Monday night
[01:24:06.160 --> 01:24:10.160]  And I just want to let everybody know I am trying to answer them as much as I can
[01:24:10.160 --> 01:24:14.160]  But I'm also trying to compile some useful information for all of you
[01:24:14.160 --> 01:24:21.160]  Also in preparation for Randy who's trying to get me into a traffic seminar with him
[01:24:21.160 --> 01:24:24.160]  So I'm trying to meet several needs here
[01:24:24.160 --> 01:24:29.160]  But now I've got a particular one here from a gentleman by the name of Daniel
[01:24:29.160 --> 01:24:34.160]  So if you're Daniel I sent you an email with my phone number
[01:24:34.160 --> 01:24:36.160]  Please give me a call and I'll be happy to talk to you
[01:24:36.160 --> 01:24:39.160]  For all you folks in Texas that are getting speeding tickets
[01:24:39.160 --> 01:24:47.160]  Please, please, please go to the transportation code and read section 201.904
[01:24:47.160 --> 01:24:54.160]  If you get a speeding ticket and you are not operating one of the vehicles listed there
[01:24:54.160 --> 01:24:57.160]  You can have that ticket thrown out
[01:24:57.160 --> 01:25:01.160]  You can charge the officer with misconduct in office
[01:25:01.160 --> 01:25:05.160]  You can charge him with making a fraudulent criminal charge
[01:25:05.160 --> 01:25:09.160]  Which one do they call that particular feedback on that Randy?
[01:25:09.160 --> 01:25:17.160]  543.006 that goes to the peer owner before
[01:25:17.160 --> 01:25:24.160]  If he fills out this citation and signs it
[01:25:24.160 --> 01:25:28.160]  According to the statute he signed it under oath
[01:25:28.160 --> 01:25:31.160]  Even if it's not notarized
[01:25:31.160 --> 01:25:32.160]  Correct
[01:25:32.160 --> 01:25:37.160]  He stated under oath that he has personal knowledge and reason to believe he committed this criminal act
[01:25:37.160 --> 01:25:40.160]  When he knows full well he has no such thing
[01:25:40.160 --> 01:25:43.160]  He is technically screwed
[01:25:43.160 --> 01:25:45.160]  Screws versus US
[01:25:45.160 --> 01:25:51.160]  Says that he absolutely knows what the law is
[01:25:51.160 --> 01:25:59.160]  He knows this statute that says that speeding sides only apply to commercial vehicles
[01:25:59.160 --> 01:26:01.160]  He knows it says that
[01:26:01.160 --> 01:26:06.160]  And then he applies it to you knowing that it doesn't apply to you
[01:26:06.160 --> 01:26:07.160]  Right
[01:26:07.160 --> 01:26:11.160]  Now in reality he may not know
[01:26:11.160 --> 01:26:14.160]  But under law he knows
[01:26:14.160 --> 01:26:16.160]  Yes
[01:26:16.160 --> 01:26:21.160]  The other point that brings up on that is that if you get that ticket thrown out
[01:26:21.160 --> 01:26:26.160]  You now have an ironclad case of malicious prosecution
[01:26:26.160 --> 01:26:30.160]  And you can go after him for that very quickly
[01:26:30.160 --> 01:26:34.160]  You file a challenge against his bond or a civil suit
[01:26:34.160 --> 01:26:37.160]  You can't do both
[01:26:37.160 --> 01:26:43.160]  The bond is probably easier and there's a good chance it'll hurt him just as much
[01:26:43.160 --> 01:26:49.160]  Yeah but you got to get him three times on that before he'll lose it permanently and can't operate anymore
[01:26:49.160 --> 01:26:50.160]  Yeah that's what I started to say
[01:26:50.160 --> 01:26:53.160]  He gets three of those he's history
[01:26:53.160 --> 01:26:57.160]  And so we get people actually doing that to him
[01:26:57.160 --> 01:26:59.160]  It's going to scare them but Jesus I don't
[01:26:59.160 --> 01:27:02.160]  Why can't you do a civil suit and filing against his bond
[01:27:02.160 --> 01:27:08.160]  You only get one remedy
[01:27:08.160 --> 01:27:11.160]  The bond will according to
[01:27:11.160 --> 01:27:15.160]  If you accept the payment from the bond
[01:27:15.160 --> 01:27:18.160]  Oh as a settlement you mean you waive your right to
[01:27:18.160 --> 01:27:20.160]  You've been made whole
[01:27:20.160 --> 01:27:23.160]  So you can't double dip
[01:27:23.160 --> 01:27:26.160]  And it's probably easier to do the bond
[01:27:26.160 --> 01:27:29.160]  A civil suit is a lot of time, a lot of work
[01:27:29.160 --> 01:27:31.160]  The bond is a piece of cake
[01:27:31.160 --> 01:27:34.160]  So you can just whack his bond and go on your way
[01:27:34.160 --> 01:27:37.160]  And then the next time whack him again
[01:27:37.160 --> 01:27:39.160]  We get one's bond pulled
[01:27:39.160 --> 01:27:43.160]  We've got everybody's attention
[01:27:43.160 --> 01:27:47.160]  Well Randy that might be a good thing to be adding to what we're talking about then
[01:27:47.160 --> 01:27:48.160]  Document how to do that
[01:27:48.160 --> 01:27:50.160]  Yes absolutely
[01:27:50.160 --> 01:27:56.160]  Now I was just thinking about that in Jacksonville
[01:27:56.160 --> 01:28:01.160]  Yeah I mean as a matter of fact I believe for the Jacksonville thing with Ron
[01:28:01.160 --> 01:28:03.160]  If you just get several people going after him
[01:28:03.160 --> 01:28:07.160]  We should be able to get most of them wiped out right then
[01:28:07.160 --> 01:28:10.160]  They can't even hold the office to do what they're doing
[01:28:10.160 --> 01:28:13.160]  We probably have enough
[01:28:13.160 --> 01:28:17.160]  We have enough separate incidents
[01:28:17.160 --> 01:28:20.160]  Even from just two or three people
[01:28:20.160 --> 01:28:22.160]  To maybe get them
[01:28:22.160 --> 01:28:25.160]  And it would be especially nice to get them with
[01:28:25.160 --> 01:28:28.160]  Something that they don't expect
[01:28:28.160 --> 01:28:32.160]  From a secondary direction
[01:28:32.160 --> 01:28:36.160]  A direction they're not looking
[01:28:36.160 --> 01:28:38.160]  Or they could do it with the federal judges
[01:28:38.160 --> 01:28:40.160]  I really like to bushwhack people
[01:28:40.160 --> 01:28:43.160]  I've got bushwhack in my blood
[01:28:43.160 --> 01:28:47.160]  Yeah well the pink grass will breed that in until you quit
[01:28:47.160 --> 01:28:50.160]  Well you know I like it when I sting them
[01:28:50.160 --> 01:28:52.160]  That they have to look around and say what happened, what happened
[01:28:52.160 --> 01:28:57.160]  And it takes them a while to figure out I'm the one that stung them
[01:28:57.160 --> 01:28:59.160]  That's when it's the most satisfying
[01:28:59.160 --> 01:29:00.160]  I see
[01:29:00.160 --> 01:29:04.160]  You want them to look like Forrest Gump running through the jungle when he got shot in the buttocks
[01:29:04.160 --> 01:29:09.160]  Yes, the buttocks
[01:29:09.160 --> 01:29:10.160]  Yeah that sounds good
[01:29:10.160 --> 01:29:13.160]  Now also the stuff you were talking about with the federal government a while ago
[01:29:13.160 --> 01:29:15.160]  I was catching the tail end of that
[01:29:15.160 --> 01:29:18.160]  And I've got a question for you folks out there
[01:29:18.160 --> 01:29:20.160]  That I've read and I can't find this
[01:29:20.160 --> 01:29:22.160]  And I've read it some more and I can't find this
[01:29:22.160 --> 01:29:28.160]  But find where the federal government was ever granted criminal law powers
[01:29:28.160 --> 01:29:35.160]  To hold any type of criminal agency or police force within the Constitution
[01:29:35.160 --> 01:29:39.160]  I can't find any authorization in the 18 enumerated powers for that
[01:29:39.160 --> 01:29:43.160]  Oh it's not under Constitution it's under, I don't know where that's at
[01:29:43.160 --> 01:29:45.160]  Okay listen but we're going to have to discuss it on the other side
[01:29:45.160 --> 01:29:46.160]  We're going to break
[01:29:46.160 --> 01:29:48.160]  Hold on the line Eddie
[01:29:48.160 --> 01:29:49.160]  And we also have dominant callers
[01:29:49.160 --> 01:29:51.160]  We've got another half hour if you'd like to call in
[01:29:51.160 --> 01:29:58.160]  512-646-1984 we will be right back
[01:29:58.160 --> 01:30:00.160]  Gold prices are at historic highs
[01:30:00.160 --> 01:30:03.160]  And with the recent pullback this is a great time to buy
[01:30:03.160 --> 01:30:07.160]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties
[01:30:07.160 --> 01:30:09.160]  And instability in rural financial systems
[01:30:09.160 --> 01:30:11.160]  I see gold going up much higher
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[01:31:24.160 --> 01:31:33.160]  I'm going to be singing for some boys for some reason
[01:31:33.160 --> 01:31:39.160]  Some kind of picture that we might have to see
[01:31:39.160 --> 01:31:46.160]  I'm going to be singing for some boys for some reason
[01:31:46.160 --> 01:31:49.160]  I'm trying to decide if I'm excited like the beat goes
[01:31:52.160 --> 01:31:55.160]  Oh, there's just everywhere
[01:31:55.160 --> 01:31:58.160]  Some call the heels, some might not make
[01:31:58.160 --> 01:32:01.160]  Oh, so she take up my time
[01:32:01.160 --> 01:32:04.160]  The journey is not mine
[01:32:04.160 --> 01:32:07.160]  I'm only listening to the voice coming out
[01:32:07.160 --> 01:32:10.160]  Some listen to the voice of the guy
[01:32:10.160 --> 01:32:13.160]  Some listen only to the voice
[01:32:13.160 --> 01:32:17.160]  Of the boy, we get used to the small old one
[01:32:17.160 --> 01:32:21.160]  Listen to the voice of reason
[01:32:23.160 --> 01:32:26.160]  Sometimes the future's out of your mind
[01:32:26.160 --> 01:32:28.160]  But you know
[01:32:28.160 --> 01:32:31.160]  All right, listening to the voice of reason
[01:32:31.160 --> 01:32:34.160]  Some Route One music for you
[01:32:34.160 --> 01:32:37.160]  My husband Jerry Stevens
[01:32:37.160 --> 01:32:39.160]  I thought I recognized that singer
[01:32:39.160 --> 01:32:41.160]  Okay, and now we are going to go back to Eddie
[01:32:41.160 --> 01:32:47.160]  Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984
[01:32:47.160 --> 01:32:49.160]  And we're going to go to Dominic next
[01:32:49.160 --> 01:32:52.160]  Okay, so Eddie, please continue
[01:32:52.160 --> 01:32:57.160]  Yeah, also just jumping back real quick to the speeding ticket thing, Randy
[01:32:57.160 --> 01:32:59.160]  Correct me if I'm wrong on this
[01:32:59.160 --> 01:33:03.160]  If the primary reason the officer attempted to pull you over
[01:33:03.160 --> 01:33:06.160]  His grounds was speeding
[01:33:06.160 --> 01:33:09.160]  Knowing full well that was a fraudulent charge to pull you over on
[01:33:09.160 --> 01:33:13.160]  Everything he does after that is invalid, correct?
[01:33:13.160 --> 01:33:16.160]  Well, nothing he develops
[01:33:16.160 --> 01:33:20.160]  No evidence that he develops subsequent to that
[01:33:20.160 --> 01:33:24.160]  Can be used in court by statute
[01:33:24.160 --> 01:33:26.160]  Right, but by that same token
[01:33:26.160 --> 01:33:29.160]  If he writes any additional charges against you after stating that
[01:33:29.160 --> 01:33:31.160]  The primary reason he pulled you over
[01:33:31.160 --> 01:33:35.160]  Because you were speeding and then he uncovers anything else
[01:33:35.160 --> 01:33:38.160]  He digs into the whole by writing more citations
[01:33:38.160 --> 01:33:42.160]  Exactly, that's what the statute goes to, fruit of the poison tree
[01:33:42.160 --> 01:33:43.160]  Right
[01:33:43.160 --> 01:33:46.160]  Texas has a really great law
[01:33:46.160 --> 01:33:52.160]  We have a statute that absolutely forbids the use of evidence
[01:33:52.160 --> 01:33:55.160]  Gained in violation of law
[01:33:55.160 --> 01:34:00.160]  And I'm trying to remember the number of the statute off the top of my head
[01:34:00.160 --> 01:34:02.160]  And I don't have that one memorized
[01:34:02.160 --> 01:34:08.160]  Well, the reason I'm making sure of that is because what Daniel's problem is
[01:34:08.160 --> 01:34:10.160]  They got him for speeding first
[01:34:10.160 --> 01:34:13.160]  And then they also wrote him an unregistered vehicle ticket
[01:34:13.160 --> 01:34:17.160]  But if he's got evidence to take from the cop's car or anything
[01:34:17.160 --> 01:34:22.160]  Or if the cop is saying that I pulled you over because you were speeding
[01:34:22.160 --> 01:34:26.160]  Then there's his grounds for pulling him over and they were fraudulent
[01:34:26.160 --> 01:34:32.160]  Yeah, I pulled you over for speeding on private property
[01:34:32.160 --> 01:34:36.160]  The case I was reading, when I read the case
[01:34:36.160 --> 01:34:40.160]  I had just left the Whole Foods Market and went home
[01:34:40.160 --> 01:34:47.160]  And looking through cases and this one struck me because it was on
[01:34:47.160 --> 01:34:54.160]  Honor Street in Fort Worth and it's spelled H-O-N-R-E
[01:34:54.160 --> 01:34:59.160]  And it caught my eye because I just came from a Whole Foods Market on that street
[01:34:59.160 --> 01:35:03.160]  And I read the case and the guy was charged with DUI
[01:35:03.160 --> 01:35:08.160]  He was stopped for running a stop sign, pulling out of a parking lot
[01:35:08.160 --> 01:35:12.160]  From the Whole Foods Market I had just left
[01:35:12.160 --> 01:35:14.160]  So that was interesting
[01:35:14.160 --> 01:35:22.160]  But they threw it out because the stop sign that he ran was in the parking lot
[01:35:22.160 --> 01:35:28.160]  It was the exit to the parking lot onto the roadway
[01:35:28.160 --> 01:35:34.160]  And it was an exit from a private property and not a street affair
[01:35:34.160 --> 01:35:37.160]  So he could run it if he wanted to
[01:35:37.160 --> 01:35:41.160]  People out there, that's also another thing about the traffic code
[01:35:41.160 --> 01:35:45.160]  If they start writing you tickets for that type of thing in a parking lot
[01:35:45.160 --> 01:35:49.160]  The other thing that I've seen them do is write you tickets for no seatbelt
[01:35:49.160 --> 01:35:52.160]  If you're still in a parking lot
[01:35:52.160 --> 01:35:55.160]  I mean pretty much anything they do
[01:35:55.160 --> 01:36:00.160]  If they write you a ticket for parking in a handicap spot on private property
[01:36:00.160 --> 01:36:02.160]  It's an invalid ticket
[01:36:02.160 --> 01:36:10.160]  Okay, have you looked for a special application for handicap?
[01:36:10.160 --> 01:36:13.160]  The problem, Randy, is the same one they use when they tell you
[01:36:13.160 --> 01:36:17.160]  They cannot investigate an accident on private property
[01:36:17.160 --> 01:36:22.160]  If they cannot investigate an actual injury or damage to property
[01:36:22.160 --> 01:36:25.160]  How are they going to provide a ticket for parking?
[01:36:25.160 --> 01:36:29.160]  We need to look up the statute for handicap parking
[01:36:29.160 --> 01:36:38.160]  And see if there's a special provision for private property with public access
[01:36:38.160 --> 01:36:43.160]  The only one I have found that deals with the handicap parking spot, Randy
[01:36:43.160 --> 01:36:46.160]  Is in public parking lots such as the courthouse buildings
[01:36:46.160 --> 01:36:50.160]  In other words, city or county-owned property with handicap parking
[01:36:50.160 --> 01:36:54.160]  That couldn't be in the transportation code
[01:36:54.160 --> 01:36:58.160]  Because the transportation code only applies to the streets and thoroughfares
[01:36:58.160 --> 01:36:59.160]  Exactly
[01:36:59.160 --> 01:37:04.160]  And even if a parking lot is in the county
[01:37:04.160 --> 01:37:07.160]  It's part of the county courthouse or whatever
[01:37:07.160 --> 01:37:10.160]  It's still not a street or thoroughfare
[01:37:10.160 --> 01:37:13.160]  And that's been a question I've been wondering about
[01:37:13.160 --> 01:37:24.160]  Where do they get the statute to enforce for handicap parking on non-street or thoroughfare?
[01:37:24.160 --> 01:37:32.160]  I think that has to do with discrimination of handicap people
[01:37:32.160 --> 01:37:36.160]  I think there are some state laws requiring that places of business
[01:37:36.160 --> 01:37:42.160]  If it's not state laws, it's certainly city ordinance under zoning and such
[01:37:42.160 --> 01:37:45.160]  For people to be zoned in a business district
[01:37:45.160 --> 01:37:53.160]  That they have to provide certain amounts of parking spaces that are designated handicapped
[01:37:53.160 --> 01:37:58.160]  Yeah, but that doesn't make it a crime for me to park there
[01:37:58.160 --> 01:38:02.160]  There has to be something specific
[01:38:02.160 --> 01:38:05.160]  You know, they can provide
[01:38:05.160 --> 01:38:07.160]  Okay, you've got to have handicap parking
[01:38:07.160 --> 01:38:12.160]  You have to have wide parking and compact parking
[01:38:12.160 --> 01:38:18.160]  So if I park my avalanche in a compact parking spot
[01:38:18.160 --> 01:38:20.160]  That's not necessarily a crime
[01:38:20.160 --> 01:38:23.160]  It may be dumb because I get all banged up
[01:38:23.160 --> 01:38:26.160]  But it's not necessarily a crime
[01:38:26.160 --> 01:38:29.160]  It has to be designated a criminal act
[01:38:29.160 --> 01:38:32.160]  You know, I could imagine a city ordinance
[01:38:32.160 --> 01:38:37.160]  I would imagine it goes to city ordinance that you can't park in a place designated handicapped
[01:38:37.160 --> 01:38:39.160]  But I would want to see it
[01:38:39.160 --> 01:38:44.160]  Because the city ordinance wouldn't apply to the county courthouse parking lot
[01:38:44.160 --> 01:38:48.160]  Have you seen anything like that in transportation code, Eddie?
[01:38:48.160 --> 01:38:50.160]  No, that's my point, I haven't
[01:38:50.160 --> 01:38:54.160]  The only thing I found that even begins to cover it is if it's dealing with
[01:38:54.160 --> 01:38:57.160]  It's particularly with governmental property
[01:38:57.160 --> 01:39:00.160]  It's got nothing to do with private property
[01:39:00.160 --> 01:39:03.160]  And as you were saying, even if it's a city ordinance
[01:39:03.160 --> 01:39:09.160]  It's still city police officers telling you that they can't do anything if it involves private property
[01:39:09.160 --> 01:39:13.160]  Can't write up an accident, they can't issue a ticket, so on and so forth
[01:39:13.160 --> 01:39:15.160]  That's actually not true
[01:39:15.160 --> 01:39:19.160]  Yeah, that's not true because I know for sure that like in areas where
[01:39:19.160 --> 01:39:24.160]  In places of business where you have restrooms that are designated women and men
[01:39:24.160 --> 01:39:30.160]  It is a crime to go into the restroom that is not your gender
[01:39:30.160 --> 01:39:31.160]  You can't do that
[01:39:31.160 --> 01:39:33.160]  Why can't I do that all the time?
[01:39:33.160 --> 01:39:37.160]  You do? Well, you're lucky you don't get shot, Randy
[01:39:37.160 --> 01:39:40.160]  Because I'll tell you what, if I'm in a restroom and I see a guy in there
[01:39:40.160 --> 01:39:42.160]  There's going to be big, big problems, all right?
[01:39:42.160 --> 01:39:47.160]  No, what I do is I get my hands wet and I open the door and I sprinkle it on the toilet seat
[01:39:47.160 --> 01:39:52.160]  Yeah, and what I'll do if you do that to me is you're going to get mace in the face
[01:39:52.160 --> 01:39:54.160]  Okay, it's not funny
[01:39:54.160 --> 01:39:58.160]  I almost got Leon beat up over that
[01:39:58.160 --> 01:40:00.160]  All right, well, it's just not funny
[01:40:00.160 --> 01:40:01.160]  Leon's my friend
[01:40:01.160 --> 01:40:04.160]  It's very disrespectful, it's extremely disrespectful
[01:40:04.160 --> 01:40:08.160]  There have been occasions when the door is locked for the men's room
[01:40:08.160 --> 01:40:11.160]  And it's a small place and there's one stall in the women's room
[01:40:11.160 --> 01:40:14.160]  So I kick the door open and go in and wash my hands
[01:40:14.160 --> 01:40:17.160]  I didn't realize that would be a crime
[01:40:17.160 --> 01:40:18.160]  Yeah, it is
[01:40:18.160 --> 01:40:21.160]  But if I go in one, I always hold my foot and hold the door open
[01:40:21.160 --> 01:40:24.160]  Well, what you should do is you should ask the owner for the key to the men's restroom
[01:40:24.160 --> 01:40:25.160]  No, there's a guy in there
[01:40:25.160 --> 01:40:26.160]  I don't want to go in there with another guy
[01:40:26.160 --> 01:40:29.160]  Well, then you wait, okay?
[01:40:29.160 --> 01:40:31.160]  Anyway, Eddie, go ahead
[01:40:31.160 --> 01:40:33.160]  Well, that's all I got
[01:40:33.160 --> 01:40:35.160]  I just wanted to touch on those few things
[01:40:35.160 --> 01:40:37.160]  I think I read Dominic off one night
[01:40:37.160 --> 01:40:38.160]  He waited too long
[01:40:38.160 --> 01:40:40.160]  I held it up so I'm going to let him on
[01:40:40.160 --> 01:40:42.160]  All right, Eddie
[01:40:42.160 --> 01:40:44.160]  Okay, and just for everybody
[01:40:44.160 --> 01:40:54.160]  We plan next Friday for a four-hour presentation by Eddie traffic
[01:40:54.160 --> 01:40:58.160]  All right, thanks for the heads up, Randy
[01:40:58.160 --> 01:40:59.160]  Thanks for the warning
[01:40:59.160 --> 01:41:03.160]  We may get to questions, we may not
[01:41:03.160 --> 01:41:05.160]  We have so much information
[01:41:05.160 --> 01:41:09.160]  What we want to do is create an archive
[01:41:09.160 --> 01:41:13.160]  We're not going to worry about running off and leaving everybody
[01:41:13.160 --> 01:41:17.160]  And that includes me, he's going to run off and leave me
[01:41:17.160 --> 01:41:21.160]  Because Eddie is far more meticulous than I am
[01:41:21.160 --> 01:41:24.160]  We want to walk through the code front to back
[01:41:24.160 --> 01:41:28.160]  So we create an archive that people can listen to over and over
[01:41:28.160 --> 01:41:32.160]  And get all of these pieces in place in line
[01:41:32.160 --> 01:41:35.160]  Yes, and all of our archives are like that too, I would say
[01:41:35.160 --> 01:41:38.160]  So we may get to questions next week and we may not
[01:41:38.160 --> 01:41:45.160]  But it's going to be a memorable show next week
[01:41:45.160 --> 01:41:48.160]  Well, I will do my best to meet those particulars
[01:41:48.160 --> 01:41:50.160]  Yeah, hopefully we'll be able, since four hours
[01:41:50.160 --> 01:41:53.160]  Hopefully we'll be able to take some calls during the last hour
[01:41:53.160 --> 01:41:57.160]  We're really going to put Eddie on the dime
[01:41:57.160 --> 01:41:59.160]  Because a lot of times the callers with the questions
[01:41:59.160 --> 01:42:03.160]  Really help explain the situation because they apply
[01:42:03.160 --> 01:42:06.160]  They come with questions that apply the code to a situation
[01:42:06.160 --> 01:42:09.160]  And really help understand, like with examples
[01:42:09.160 --> 01:42:13.160]  Yes, and that reminds me, I am remiss
[01:42:13.160 --> 01:42:19.160]  We had someone on quite a while back who had had his own show
[01:42:19.160 --> 01:42:24.160]  Rick Schramm had had his own show for like 20 years
[01:42:24.160 --> 01:42:30.160]  We had him on and after the show he called me and he said
[01:42:30.160 --> 01:42:35.160]  Where do you get those listeners?
[01:42:35.160 --> 01:42:37.160]  And I said, well, what do you mean?
[01:42:37.160 --> 01:42:42.160]  Where do you get listeners that ask such good questions?
[01:42:42.160 --> 01:42:45.160]  I never had listeners like that
[01:42:45.160 --> 01:42:47.160]  It's because we rock
[01:42:47.160 --> 01:42:51.160]  I have noticed over the couple of years we've been doing this show
[01:42:51.160 --> 01:42:57.160]  That the questions we get are increasingly sophisticated
[01:42:57.160 --> 01:43:02.160]  And I can't tell all of you guys out there how much I appreciate that
[01:43:02.160 --> 01:43:09.160]  I have people telling me, CJ, what great job you're doing
[01:43:09.160 --> 01:43:12.160]  But that doesn't tell me what a good job I'm doing
[01:43:12.160 --> 01:43:20.160]  As much as when someone calls in and asks really hard, really sophisticated questions
[01:43:20.160 --> 01:43:24.160]  One of my favorite callers, frankly, and I don't hear from him much anymore
[01:43:24.160 --> 01:43:26.160]  Is Rick from California
[01:43:26.160 --> 01:43:30.160]  When he first started calling in he knew nothing
[01:43:30.160 --> 01:43:35.160]  And here lately he calls in and asks questions I can't answer
[01:43:35.160 --> 01:43:38.160]  Yeah, it's wonderful to see the progression of the listeners
[01:43:38.160 --> 01:43:40.160]  Okay, Eddie, thank you so much for calling in
[01:43:40.160 --> 01:43:42.160]  We really appreciate it
[01:43:42.160 --> 01:43:43.160]  Yes ma'am, y'all have a good night
[01:43:43.160 --> 01:43:45.160]  Alright, you always come with excellent information
[01:43:45.160 --> 01:43:48.160]  Alright, we're going to go to Dominic next
[01:43:48.160 --> 01:43:51.160]  And we've got one more segment, so callers, if you'd like to call in
[01:43:51.160 --> 01:43:55.160]  You've got one more segment left, 512-646-1984
[01:43:55.160 --> 01:43:57.160]  We'll be right back
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[01:46:28.160 --> 01:46:32.160]  Okay, we are going now to Dominic in Texas.
[01:46:32.160 --> 01:46:34.160]  Hey, Dominic, thanks for calling in.
[01:46:34.160 --> 01:46:35.160]  Thanks for calling back in.
[01:46:35.160 --> 01:46:36.160]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:46:36.160 --> 01:46:40.160]  Well, I have to call back in because I did an Ixquick.
[01:46:40.160 --> 01:46:41.160]  Oh, good.
[01:46:41.160 --> 01:46:43.160]  It's on Sheriff Kicks Out the Fed.
[01:46:43.160 --> 01:46:48.160]  And I did get something in here where it says,
[01:46:48.160 --> 01:46:51.160]  Sheriff Davis, Massachusetts of Bighorn County, Wyoming,
[01:46:51.160 --> 01:46:57.160]  said that as of this week as a result of case number 96-CV,
[01:46:57.160 --> 01:47:05.160]  that's Charles Victor, 099-J is in justice, U.S. District Court.
[01:47:05.160 --> 01:47:11.160]  He now has written a policy that forbids federal officers from entering his county
[01:47:11.160 --> 01:47:14.160]  and exercising authority over county residents
[01:47:14.160 --> 01:47:17.160]  unless he is notified first of their intention.
[01:47:17.160 --> 01:47:22.160]  And this is the county where the rainbow shootings were?
[01:47:22.160 --> 01:47:24.160]  No, I don't think so.
[01:47:24.160 --> 01:47:29.160]  This guy is pretty famous for doing this.
[01:47:29.160 --> 01:47:31.160]  This is wonderful.
[01:47:31.160 --> 01:47:41.160]  It is clear that the feds can come into the county only with the permission of the sheriff.
[01:47:41.160 --> 01:47:46.160]  Right, but does that include areas where there's federal land,
[01:47:46.160 --> 01:47:48.160]  like in the case of the National Forest?
[01:47:48.160 --> 01:47:49.160]  Right.
[01:47:49.160 --> 01:47:51.160]  Now, the feds can move.
[01:47:51.160 --> 01:47:54.160]  They can go to the National Forest,
[01:47:54.160 --> 01:48:02.160]  but they can't operate outside the National Forest in the state county without the sheriff's permission.
[01:48:02.160 --> 01:48:07.160]  Yeah, but isn't the National Forest in the county?
[01:48:07.160 --> 01:48:10.160]  It's in the county, but it's federal property within the county.
[01:48:10.160 --> 01:48:17.160]  And there the feds have authority and the sheriff has no say.
[01:48:17.160 --> 01:48:21.160]  But when they move outside the federal property,
[01:48:21.160 --> 01:48:24.160]  then they go on to the state property,
[01:48:24.160 --> 01:48:27.160]  and there they have to have the sheriff's permission.
[01:48:27.160 --> 01:48:30.160]  And that was a great thing to see.
[01:48:30.160 --> 01:48:35.160]  And we may actually see more of that as the feds become more aggressive.
[01:48:35.160 --> 01:48:44.160]  And we have 20-some-odd states now passing Fifth Amendment bills,
[01:48:44.160 --> 01:48:48.160]  reasserting their state sovereignty.
[01:48:48.160 --> 01:48:56.160]  You know, there's a big push on to resist the pressure of the feds.
[01:48:56.160 --> 01:48:58.160]  It's always how things are.
[01:48:58.160 --> 01:49:01.160]  You know, if you hold up your hand and your palm out,
[01:49:01.160 --> 01:49:05.160]  and I hold up my hand with my palm out and I push against your palm,
[01:49:05.160 --> 01:49:07.160]  you just can't help it.
[01:49:07.160 --> 01:49:10.160]  You have to push back.
[01:49:10.160 --> 01:49:14.160]  This also says, Mathis went on to say that, to his knowledge,
[01:49:14.160 --> 01:49:19.160]  even the IRS has not attempted to seize any citizen's real property,
[01:49:19.160 --> 01:49:22.160]  bank account, or any other private-owned possession
[01:49:22.160 --> 01:49:26.160]  since he ran the feds out of his county.
[01:49:26.160 --> 01:49:27.160]  There are feds, too.
[01:49:27.160 --> 01:49:29.160]  Yeah.
[01:49:29.160 --> 01:49:35.160]  So I would very much like to see more sheriffs do that.
[01:49:35.160 --> 01:49:37.160]  Oh, yeah.
[01:49:37.160 --> 01:49:40.160]  And it's not that the feds don't have a purpose,
[01:49:40.160 --> 01:49:46.160]  but as a matter of reminding them that they have limitations,
[01:49:46.160 --> 01:49:48.160]  and that's what we haven't been doing enough,
[01:49:48.160 --> 01:49:51.160]  is reminding them of their limitations.
[01:49:51.160 --> 01:49:53.160]  And that they do have to follow a law,
[01:49:53.160 --> 01:49:56.160]  so they're not just out there doing whatever they want.
[01:49:56.160 --> 01:49:58.160]  Exactly.
[01:49:58.160 --> 01:50:00.160]  I'm very glad you brought that up because, you know,
[01:50:00.160 --> 01:50:04.160]  Brian is a civil attorney,
[01:50:04.160 --> 01:50:08.160]  and we were taking him out of his expertise.
[01:50:08.160 --> 01:50:14.160]  And I know he mentioned taking someone before a judge for an arraignment,
[01:50:14.160 --> 01:50:19.160]  and that told me he wasn't very...
[01:50:19.160 --> 01:50:23.160]  It's especially knowledgeable in that one particular area,
[01:50:23.160 --> 01:50:26.160]  and the law has become so complex,
[01:50:26.160 --> 01:50:33.160]  each person who works in it has specific knowledge in their specific areas.
[01:50:33.160 --> 01:50:37.160]  And like me, I do due process.
[01:50:37.160 --> 01:50:41.160]  If I get outside due process, my opinion is no better than anybody else's
[01:50:41.160 --> 01:50:44.160]  because it's just an uninformed opinion.
[01:50:44.160 --> 01:50:49.160]  The only place, you know, when Craig's talking about traffic,
[01:50:49.160 --> 01:50:53.160]  I know some about it, but my opinion is not valuable
[01:50:53.160 --> 01:50:56.160]  because I'm not really knowledgeable the way he is.
[01:50:56.160 --> 01:50:57.160]  Who? You're talking about Eddie?
[01:50:57.160 --> 01:50:58.160]  Eddie from Tech...
[01:50:58.160 --> 01:51:00.160]  Eddie Craig.
[01:51:00.160 --> 01:51:02.160]  So he's really knowledgeable there.
[01:51:02.160 --> 01:51:03.160]  I'm not.
[01:51:03.160 --> 01:51:05.160]  I'm only knowledgeable in one place,
[01:51:05.160 --> 01:51:07.160]  and so it's not...
[01:51:07.160 --> 01:51:09.160]  You know, I kind of felt unfair to Brian
[01:51:09.160 --> 01:51:15.160]  that we were pressing him outside his area of expertise.
[01:51:15.160 --> 01:51:19.160]  When it comes to the federal jurisdiction,
[01:51:19.160 --> 01:51:25.160]  there are absolutely definite limits to the federal jurisdiction.
[01:51:25.160 --> 01:51:27.160]  And as I understand it,
[01:51:27.160 --> 01:51:31.160]  and this is just essentially a layman's opinion,
[01:51:31.160 --> 01:51:38.160]  the Feds can enforce federal law anywhere,
[01:51:38.160 --> 01:51:41.160]  but they can only enforce...
[01:51:41.160 --> 01:51:45.160]  They only have absolute authority in the Federal Preserve.
[01:51:45.160 --> 01:51:49.160]  Then they can enforce any laws in the Federal Preserve.
[01:51:49.160 --> 01:51:51.160]  When they step outside the federal territory,
[01:51:51.160 --> 01:51:53.160]  they can enforce federal law,
[01:51:53.160 --> 01:51:58.160]  but they can't enforce state and municipal.
[01:51:58.160 --> 01:52:02.160]  Right, and that was the question I was posing is
[01:52:02.160 --> 01:52:04.160]  how can they enforce federal law
[01:52:04.160 --> 01:52:06.160]  when they're not in federal territory,
[01:52:06.160 --> 01:52:08.160]  but rather inside the sovereign state?
[01:52:08.160 --> 01:52:14.160]  Because the federal law applies across all of the states,
[01:52:14.160 --> 01:52:16.160]  but only the federal law.
[01:52:16.160 --> 01:52:20.160]  So if they violate a federal statute,
[01:52:20.160 --> 01:52:24.160]  and that was really designed to be things
[01:52:24.160 --> 01:52:26.160]  that are beyond the state itself,
[01:52:26.160 --> 01:52:28.160]  like a bank robber,
[01:52:28.160 --> 01:52:31.160]  if he robs a bank in Texas,
[01:52:31.160 --> 01:52:34.160]  and then he goes to Oklahoma and robs a bank,
[01:52:34.160 --> 01:52:37.160]  Texas can't go after him in Oklahoma,
[01:52:37.160 --> 01:52:39.160]  and Oklahoma can't come after him in Texas,
[01:52:39.160 --> 01:52:41.160]  so they asked the Feds to come in
[01:52:41.160 --> 01:52:42.160]  because he can handle both sides.
[01:52:42.160 --> 01:52:44.160]  Right, and we have another caller on the line,
[01:52:44.160 --> 01:52:45.160]  Joyce from New Jersey.
[01:52:45.160 --> 01:52:47.160]  She had called in earlier this evening.
[01:52:47.160 --> 01:52:48.160]  All right, well, you all have a good evening.
[01:52:48.160 --> 01:52:50.160]  All right, thank you, Dominic.
[01:52:50.160 --> 01:52:51.160]  Okay, we're going to go to Joyce
[01:52:51.160 --> 01:52:52.160]  because we only have a few minutes left.
[01:52:52.160 --> 01:52:54.160]  Thank you, Joyce, for calling back in.
[01:52:54.160 --> 01:52:56.160]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:52:56.160 --> 01:52:57.160]  Hi.
[01:52:57.160 --> 01:52:59.160]  I heard a caller call in earlier,
[01:52:59.160 --> 01:53:03.160]  and he was talking about having to get off the phone,
[01:53:03.160 --> 01:53:05.160]  I don't know if you remember,
[01:53:05.160 --> 01:53:09.160]  because he was fighting foreclosures,
[01:53:09.160 --> 01:53:12.160]  a foreclosure issue.
[01:53:12.160 --> 01:53:16.160]  I think that was Greg from Alabama.
[01:53:16.160 --> 01:53:21.160]  Well, I just wanted to let your listeners know
[01:53:21.160 --> 01:53:25.160]  that we're making major strides in that arena.
[01:53:25.160 --> 01:53:28.160]  Okay, well, Joyce from New Jersey,
[01:53:28.160 --> 01:53:32.160]  aren't you a paralegal?
[01:53:32.160 --> 01:53:38.160]  Well, I'm not a paralegal in terms of the certification,
[01:53:38.160 --> 01:53:41.160]  but I'm a five-year legal researcher.
[01:53:41.160 --> 01:53:44.160]  Okay, I thought you were familiar.
[01:53:44.160 --> 01:53:47.160]  Okay, go ahead, Joyce, talk about your stride.
[01:53:47.160 --> 01:53:51.160]  I sent you a criminal complaint,
[01:53:51.160 --> 01:53:57.160]  a racketeering complaint that I recently did.
[01:53:57.160 --> 01:53:59.160]  So yeah, I have called in before,
[01:53:59.160 --> 01:54:03.160]  but one of the things that we've been real focused on
[01:54:03.160 --> 01:54:08.160]  is getting the attorney general to look at some of the fraud
[01:54:08.160 --> 01:54:15.160]  that's coming on the court by servicing agents
[01:54:15.160 --> 01:54:17.160]  that don't know how on the note
[01:54:17.160 --> 01:54:20.160]  and don't have the original note and couldn't get it received.
[01:54:20.160 --> 01:54:22.160]  Oh, you need to listen to the archives
[01:54:22.160 --> 01:54:25.160]  from Agenda 21 Talk from this evening,
[01:54:25.160 --> 01:54:31.160]  because they went into that in great depth and detail tonight
[01:54:31.160 --> 01:54:34.160]  about foreclosures and the fact of the bank
[01:54:34.160 --> 01:54:36.160]  not having the original note.
[01:54:36.160 --> 01:54:38.160]  Right, who did?
[01:54:38.160 --> 01:54:40.160]  Agenda 21 Talk.
[01:54:40.160 --> 01:54:43.160]  Their show is on Fridays from 6 to 8 p.m.
[01:54:43.160 --> 01:54:45.160]  and on Tuesday nights from 8 to 10,
[01:54:45.160 --> 01:54:48.160]  and I'll be posting those archives as soon as this show is over.
[01:54:48.160 --> 01:54:51.160]  Okay, well, we have complete pleading
[01:54:51.160 --> 01:54:56.160]  and we have an incredible remedy available.
[01:54:56.160 --> 01:54:59.160]  How can people get access to it?
[01:54:59.160 --> 01:55:04.160]  Well, I have them.
[01:55:04.160 --> 01:55:06.160]  There are other people that have them.
[01:55:06.160 --> 01:55:08.160]  There's a girl out in Nevada right now
[01:55:08.160 --> 01:55:12.160]  that's charging quite a bit of money
[01:55:12.160 --> 01:55:16.160]  to do the process for people.
[01:55:16.160 --> 01:55:20.160]  You don't really need somebody else to do the process for you
[01:55:20.160 --> 01:55:24.160]  provided you know how to argue.
[01:55:24.160 --> 01:55:28.160]  You need to know what the other side has to produce
[01:55:28.160 --> 01:55:30.160]  to prove their claim, and they can't.
[01:55:30.160 --> 01:55:32.160]  They can't. They won't.
[01:55:32.160 --> 01:55:37.160]  We got, in Pinellas County, Florida,
[01:55:37.160 --> 01:55:41.160]  we actually had the administrator of the court
[01:55:41.160 --> 01:55:44.160]  send down a notice to all the judges
[01:55:44.160 --> 01:55:48.160]  that no foreclosure actions were to come on the court
[01:55:48.160 --> 01:55:50.160]  without an original note.
[01:55:50.160 --> 01:55:53.160]  Now, that's one small county in one state.
[01:55:53.160 --> 01:55:57.160]  That's going to happen in every county in every state,
[01:55:57.160 --> 01:56:01.160]  and this is in epidemic proportions, and it's...
[01:56:01.160 --> 01:56:09.160]  What are you doing to get the judges to enforce this requirement?
[01:56:09.160 --> 01:56:12.160]  We are saying, great.
[01:56:12.160 --> 01:56:20.160]  Here's what the alleged debt collector,
[01:56:20.160 --> 01:56:26.160]  being the servicing agent, has to produce to prove up their claim,
[01:56:26.160 --> 01:56:33.160]  and we'd be happy to comply provided they haven't committed fraud on the court
[01:56:33.160 --> 01:56:35.160]  and they can produce this, that, and the other thing,
[01:56:35.160 --> 01:56:38.160]  and there's a hole in laundry there.
[01:56:38.160 --> 01:56:44.160]  Do you do a subject matter jurisdiction challenge?
[01:56:44.160 --> 01:56:47.160]  Well, no, because it's not even necessary.
[01:56:47.160 --> 01:56:49.160]  It's fraud on the court.
[01:56:49.160 --> 01:56:54.160]  Here's a problem that I see happening to people,
[01:56:54.160 --> 01:56:58.160]  is they make this allegation and the judge doesn't care.
[01:56:58.160 --> 01:57:00.160]  I know, because you know why?
[01:57:00.160 --> 01:57:06.160]  They're getting $57,000 per foreclosure.
[01:57:06.160 --> 01:57:08.160]  Okay, here's why I say...
[01:57:08.160 --> 01:57:09.160]  They're on the bank.
[01:57:09.160 --> 01:57:14.160]  Here's why I say it goes to subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:57:14.160 --> 01:57:20.160]  Had a woman in McLennan County gets a knock on her door.
[01:57:20.160 --> 01:57:25.160]  It's a constable telling her she's got five days to get out,
[01:57:25.160 --> 01:57:30.160]  her home's been foreclosed on, and it's been sold on the courthouse steps.
[01:57:30.160 --> 01:57:32.160]  You're out of here.
[01:57:32.160 --> 01:57:34.160]  First, she knows about it.
[01:57:34.160 --> 01:57:36.160]  I go look in the court record.
[01:57:36.160 --> 01:57:41.160]  There was a filing by a mortgage company to foreclose,
[01:57:41.160 --> 01:57:44.160]  and the judge issued an order of foreclosure.
[01:57:44.160 --> 01:57:50.160]  The filing to foreclose had no certificate of service.
[01:57:50.160 --> 01:57:55.160]  Therefore, the filing to foreclose did not invoke
[01:57:55.160 --> 01:57:58.160]  the subject matter jurisdiction of the court.
[01:57:58.160 --> 01:58:02.160]  First thing the judge has to determine is whether or not he has jurisdiction,
[01:58:02.160 --> 01:58:06.160]  because if he acts without it, he's a criminal impersonator.
[01:58:06.160 --> 01:58:09.160]  You need to go for the judge.
[01:58:09.160 --> 01:58:12.160]  Yeah, but the average person doesn't know that.
[01:58:12.160 --> 01:58:14.160]  That's why we're here.
[01:58:14.160 --> 01:58:16.160]  That's why we're trying to get out.
[01:58:16.160 --> 01:58:19.160]  You attack the judge personally.
[01:58:19.160 --> 01:58:22.160]  Yeah, but we need also people to realize, you know,
[01:58:22.160 --> 01:58:24.160]  call your attorney general.
[01:58:24.160 --> 01:58:29.160]  We do have the petition authority to look at these cases.
[01:58:29.160 --> 01:58:32.160]  All right, that's excellent.
[01:58:32.160 --> 01:58:33.160]  All right, listen, we have to let you go, Joyce,
[01:58:33.160 --> 01:58:34.160]  because we are at the end of the show.
[01:58:34.160 --> 01:58:35.160]  Call back in Monday.
[01:58:35.160 --> 01:58:37.160]  Yes, call back in Monday.
[01:58:37.160 --> 01:58:40.160]  All right, this is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:40.160 --> 01:58:45.160]  We will be back Monday evening on ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:58:45.160 --> 01:58:50.160]  And don't forget, John Bush is starting his show this Wednesday from 6 to 8 p.m.
[01:58:50.160 --> 01:58:52.160]  We'll see you next week.
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[01:59:04.160 --> 01:59:11.160]  I'm like a step in the grave, I don't touch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:11.160 --> 01:59:19.160]  If you are a chucky, nobody's chucky but me.
[01:59:19.160 --> 01:59:26.160]  If you are a chucky, chucky, nobody's chucky but me.
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[01:59:34.160 --> 01:59:41.160]  I'm like a step in the grave, I don't touch my size, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:41.160 --> 01:59:49.160]  If you eat a ball, you better treat me good.
[01:59:49.160 --> 02:00:12.160]  Let's move, you better treat me good.