[00:00.000 --> 00:10.600]  Indian Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon says the Pakistani intelligence agency has
[00:10.600 --> 00:15.520]  close links with the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks.
[00:15.520 --> 00:20.280]  German troops will be stationed in France for the first time since World War II as part
[00:20.280 --> 00:23.840]  of a joint rapid reaction force.
[00:23.840 --> 00:28.580]  Martine Aubry, head of the French Socialist Party, says leftist lawmakers will introduce
[00:28.580 --> 00:34.680]  a motion of no confidence in President Nicolas Sarkozy's government over its handling of
[00:34.680 --> 00:41.600]  France's economic crisis.
[00:41.600 --> 00:48.080]  The UN says at least 600,000 tonnes of rubble will need to be cleared before Gaza can be
[00:48.080 --> 00:49.080]  reconstructed.
[00:49.080 --> 00:56.640]  A report by the UN Development Programme Wednesday estimated 14,000 homes were completely destroyed
[00:56.640 --> 01:02.360]  and 20% of all homes have sustained light to heavy damage from the fighting.
[01:02.360 --> 01:07.980]  Also hit were 68 government buildings and 31 non-governmental organisation complexes
[01:07.980 --> 01:11.760]  or buildings that were completely or partially destroyed.
[01:11.760 --> 01:18.480]  The UNDP also noted that among the debris are unexploded ordinances and said an immediate
[01:18.480 --> 01:23.360]  identification and safe removal programme must begin as soon as possible.
[01:23.360 --> 01:29.160]  Coupled with the training for debris removal crews will be public awareness campaigns
[01:29.160 --> 01:36.640]  over military equipment left behind by Israelis and rigged houses set up by resistance fighters.
[01:36.640 --> 01:46.880]  The UNDP is hoping for a 25 million dollar budget to remove the rubble.
[01:46.880 --> 01:52.920]  Barack Obama is set to authorise the dispatch of up to 12,000 US combat troops to Afghanistan,
[01:52.920 --> 01:58.200]  the start of a surge that will likely add 30,000 more soldiers and marines over the
[01:58.200 --> 02:00.440]  next 12 to 18 months.
[02:00.440 --> 02:04.680]  This will double the US occupation force to 60,000.
[02:04.680 --> 02:09.800]  The first stage of the escalation is bound up with a strategic overhaul of US policy
[02:09.800 --> 02:14.800]  in the region that will initiate a vast expansion of military violence.
[02:14.800 --> 02:20.960]  In response to a growth of the anti-US insurgency in both Afghanistan and North West Pakistan
[02:20.960 --> 02:26.600]  and an increasingly dire security situation, Obama and Pentagon officials are calling for
[02:26.600 --> 02:32.000]  setting more limited objectives while warning of a long and difficult fight.
[02:32.000 --> 02:36.040]  Secretary of Defence Robert Gates told the Senate Armed Services Committee on January
[02:36.040 --> 02:42.760]  27th, if we set ourselves the objective of creating some sort of Central Asian Valhalla,
[02:42.760 --> 02:47.960]  we will lose because nobody in the world has that kind of time, patience and money.
[02:47.960 --> 02:54.480]  For more news and exclusive interviews, see the complete International Newsnet World Report
[02:54.480 --> 03:19.680]  each weekday evening on Free Speech TV.
[03:19.680 --> 03:32.480]  We were born before the wind, also younger than the sun.
[03:32.480 --> 03:42.440]  The bonnie boat was one as we sailed into the mystic.
[03:42.440 --> 03:55.200]  I can now hear the sailors cry, smell the sea and feel the sky.
[03:55.200 --> 04:06.440]  Let your soul and spirit fly into the mystic.
[04:06.440 --> 04:18.120]  When that foghorn blows, I will be coming home.
[04:18.120 --> 04:25.120]  When the foghorn blows, I want to hear it.
[04:25.120 --> 04:34.920]  I don't have the fear that I want to rock your gypsy soul.
[04:34.920 --> 04:44.800]  Just like way back in the days of old, how magnificently we will fold into the mystic.
[05:04.920 --> 05:26.680]  When that foghorn blows, you know I will be coming home.
[05:26.680 --> 05:37.680]  And when that foghorn whistle blows, I gotta hear it, I don't have the fear that I want
[05:37.680 --> 05:41.880]  to rock your gypsy soul.
[05:41.880 --> 05:55.880]  Just like way back in the days of old, how magnificently we will fold into the mystic.
[05:55.880 --> 06:11.360]  I don't have the fear that I want to.
[06:11.360 --> 06:15.600]  Rule of Law Radio.
[06:15.600 --> 06:19.520]  Into the Mystic.
[06:19.520 --> 06:24.120]  Love that song, Van Morrison.
[06:24.120 --> 06:31.920]  Not necessarily a political song, I just love that song, I just love that song.
[06:31.920 --> 06:42.200]  So Randy, Mr. Kelton, I have to tell a story to our listeners.
[06:42.200 --> 06:47.680]  Mr. Kelton is not all that he is cracked up to be.
[06:47.680 --> 06:52.760]  He's more than what meets the eye, it would seem.
[06:52.760 --> 07:02.120]  The man is doing gymnastics, flipping around in my tree, way up like 60 feet on top of
[07:02.120 --> 07:11.440]  my house, trying to do everything he can to save this dying old tree.
[07:11.440 --> 07:19.160]  And I just wanted to express my appreciation on the air, thank you very much.
[07:19.160 --> 07:26.920]  Mr. Kelton, he knows how to tie all kinds of knots, he's doing gymnastics, I think you
[07:26.920 --> 07:31.200]  need to join the Olympic team or something, dude.
[07:31.200 --> 07:33.720]  I'm getting too old for that.
[07:33.720 --> 07:38.160]  Anyways, not law related, but I just wanted to say thank you.
[07:38.160 --> 07:44.880]  The man, he gets the job done, people, I'm telling you.
[07:44.880 --> 07:47.160]  It's amazing, man of many talents.
[07:47.160 --> 07:50.560]  So he gets it done.
[07:50.560 --> 07:57.760]  I mean, what you did in that tree today and over the last few months, if that's any indication
[07:57.760 --> 08:04.960]  of what you're going to do to these judges, I'll tell you what, we're going to win.
[08:04.960 --> 08:11.280]  Well, I did want to talk about Wednesday in Randall County.
[08:11.280 --> 08:13.680]  Randall County.
[08:13.680 --> 08:21.800]  Oh, it was a hoot.
[08:21.800 --> 08:26.880]  One of my callers called in about what happened to him in Randall County.
[08:26.880 --> 08:29.680]  And I went up there to have a look.
[08:29.680 --> 08:37.680]  Well, some of you will remember a few weeks back, I played a tape recording of a prosecutor.
[08:37.680 --> 08:41.000]  That was the prosecutor in Randall County.
[08:41.000 --> 08:43.800]  I was asking them about missing records.
[08:43.800 --> 08:49.080]  Yeah, he was getting pretty aggravated at you.
[08:49.080 --> 08:50.640]  It was funny.
[08:50.640 --> 08:58.280]  Well, I went up there and in the interim, I had called the district clerk and asked
[08:58.280 --> 09:02.120]  about the minutes of the grand jury.
[09:02.120 --> 09:05.800]  And she told me she didn't have those, the prosecutor had them.
[09:05.800 --> 09:08.920]  I said, well, that's not a good idea.
[09:08.920 --> 09:11.880]  You're supposed to have them and I want to come up and look at them.
[09:11.880 --> 09:14.560]  And then she told me I'd have to go see the district attorney.
[09:14.560 --> 09:17.400]  It's not only not a good idea.
[09:17.400 --> 09:19.920]  I mean, it's the law.
[09:19.920 --> 09:25.400]  Yeah, I was being subtle, well, maybe not subtle.
[09:25.400 --> 09:27.120]  Anyway, I was annoying her.
[09:27.120 --> 09:29.560]  You're never subtle, dude.
[09:29.560 --> 09:30.560]  So I went up.
[09:30.560 --> 09:33.960]  You're about as subtle as a heart attack.
[09:33.960 --> 09:45.000]  I walked in and handed the little teller clerk a written request for the grand jury minutes
[09:45.000 --> 09:50.940]  as referenced by article 20.22 code of criminal procedure.
[09:50.940 --> 09:54.800]  So she took it back to her boss and they looked at it for a while.
[09:54.800 --> 10:00.160]  And while they're back there looking at that one, I made up another request, my standard
[10:00.160 --> 10:02.840]  1730 request.
[10:02.840 --> 10:08.360]  And that demands all the records collected and maintained by the magistrate when he performs
[10:08.360 --> 10:10.000]  an examining trial.
[10:10.000 --> 10:15.120]  He's required to seal all those in an envelope and forward them to the clerk of the court.
[10:15.120 --> 10:21.040]  I want to see what the magistrate sealed up in an envelope and forwarded to him.
[10:21.040 --> 10:26.960]  Well, I know that the magistrate never did that.
[10:26.960 --> 10:31.120]  And she knows that I know that the magistrate never did that.
[10:31.120 --> 10:37.080]  So she came back and said, well, Mr. Kelton, like I told you on the phone, or first she
[10:37.080 --> 10:40.440]  said, you're that guy from the radio, aren't you?
[10:40.440 --> 10:42.760]  I didn't have my press pass on.
[10:42.760 --> 10:45.400]  Well, yes, sort of.
[10:45.400 --> 10:47.160]  Heck, you must be psychic.
[10:47.160 --> 10:48.340]  He's notorious.
[10:48.340 --> 10:52.180]  Well, she didn't find that a bit funny.
[10:52.180 --> 10:57.980]  So she said, well, Mr. Kelton, like I told you, I don't have those records.
[10:57.980 --> 11:00.920]  The prosecuting attorney keeps those records.
[11:00.920 --> 11:03.160]  I said, oh, yeah, you told me that before.
[11:03.160 --> 11:09.040]  And I thought that was real interesting because if he has those records, why?
[11:09.040 --> 11:12.520]  He has them to the exclusion of the clerk of the court, and that would be a felony in
[11:12.520 --> 11:15.160]  violation of 3710 Penal Code.
[11:15.160 --> 11:20.480]  So I need you to respond to this written request with a written answer stating you have no
[11:20.480 --> 11:28.480]  records responsive to my request so I can go talk to the district attorney.
[11:28.480 --> 11:34.800]  Well, she did not seem to appreciate my response.
[11:34.800 --> 11:40.760]  So she went back and got on the phone, and they're kind of hustling all around the office,
[11:40.760 --> 11:48.560]  and she walked across one desk back in front of me and was looking ahead but spoke loud
[11:48.560 --> 11:51.800]  enough that I could hear her.
[11:51.800 --> 12:03.080]  It wasn't in an angry or accusatory voice, but it sounded more frustrated and concerned.
[12:03.080 --> 12:11.280]  She said, I don't get paid enough to put up with this crap.
[12:11.280 --> 12:16.800]  And because of her, the nature of her delivery, I didn't feel it was directed at me.
[12:16.800 --> 12:19.240]  Well, she signed up for it.
[12:19.240 --> 12:26.360]  I was thinking, wait a minute, wait a minute, there's another dynamic going on here that
[12:26.360 --> 12:30.040]  I'm not aware of.
[12:30.040 --> 12:36.600]  It was as if she was trying to subtly tell me something.
[12:36.600 --> 12:44.840]  Then she came back a little later and told me that they had 10 days in which to respond
[12:44.840 --> 12:46.600]  to this.
[12:46.600 --> 12:50.960]  She said, under open records, we have 10 days to respond to this.
[12:50.960 --> 12:55.760]  I said, well, frankly, those do not fall under the Open Records Act.
[12:55.760 --> 13:00.000]  They fall under Article 1.24 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[13:00.000 --> 13:05.600]  And while you can make a request under Rule 12, you may not hold those records unless
[13:05.600 --> 13:12.080]  you have reason to believe they're exempted from disclosure for some reason, possibly
[13:12.080 --> 13:16.640]  they're part of a sealed case or something.
[13:16.640 --> 13:21.680]  And she just stood in there and looked at me for a second, grinding her teeth together,
[13:21.680 --> 13:28.000]  turned, walked away, went back, talked on the phone a while, came back.
[13:28.000 --> 13:31.840]  And she said, then I told her, I'm going to need to look at some files.
[13:31.840 --> 13:34.920]  She said, well, you can go in the next room now.
[13:34.920 --> 13:35.920]  There's a computer there.
[13:35.920 --> 13:38.160]  You can look at all of our files there.
[13:38.160 --> 13:42.080]  I said, no, ma'am, that won't do.
[13:42.080 --> 13:48.880]  I want to look at the folder with all the original documents in it.
[13:48.880 --> 13:51.680]  Well, Mr. Calton, everything is in the computer.
[13:51.680 --> 13:53.800]  I said, I understand that.
[13:53.800 --> 13:56.840]  Yeah, just like the votes.
[13:56.840 --> 13:57.840]  Yes.
[13:57.840 --> 13:59.640]  Here's my problem.
[13:59.640 --> 14:04.320]  I'm looking for records I expect to be missing.
[14:04.320 --> 14:11.200]  And if I look through your computer and find the documents that you have scanned in and
[14:11.200 --> 14:17.560]  then request the documents that I believe are going to be missing, I run the risk of
[14:17.560 --> 14:22.080]  voila, they appear out of the ether.
[14:22.080 --> 14:32.280]  And some BS data processing excuse is they got misdirected in the filing system or the
[14:32.280 --> 14:38.400]  clerk, whoever did the scanning missed this document and all that blah, blah, blah stuff.
[14:38.400 --> 14:40.880]  The computer ate the record.
[14:40.880 --> 14:42.280]  Yeah.
[14:42.280 --> 14:43.680]  That's not going to happen.
[14:43.680 --> 14:47.800]  I'm going to look at the original file.
[14:47.800 --> 14:54.320]  Anything that's not in that file folder when I look at it doesn't exist as a matter of
[14:54.320 --> 14:55.320]  law.
[14:55.320 --> 15:03.240]  So I'm going to want you to certify what's in that folder today at this time so that
[15:03.240 --> 15:12.280]  if anything appears later, it had better have a later date stamp on it.
[15:12.280 --> 15:17.720]  And she said, well, Mr. Calton, I just don't have the staff.
[15:17.720 --> 15:25.120]  Well, with all due respect, ma'am, your problem, not my problem.
[15:25.120 --> 15:26.120]  Well, yeah.
[15:26.120 --> 15:27.120]  And you know what?
[15:27.120 --> 15:29.520]  We don't even, it doesn't matter if she doesn't have the staff or not.
[15:29.520 --> 15:32.480]  I'll go back there and look up the file myself.
[15:32.480 --> 15:33.960]  I know how to read.
[15:33.960 --> 15:34.960]  Okay.
[15:34.960 --> 15:36.760]  I'll just go find it.
[15:36.760 --> 15:38.000]  She doesn't need to have a staff.
[15:38.000 --> 15:39.000]  Who cares?
[15:39.000 --> 15:44.480]  Well, they weren't amenable to that, but she told me she didn't have the staff and I told
[15:44.480 --> 15:45.480]  her it was her problem.
[15:45.480 --> 15:50.720]  My problem that I came up all the way from Austin to look at these records and under
[15:50.720 --> 15:56.040]  124 code of criminal procedure, she had a duty to show me these records and I expect
[15:56.040 --> 15:57.040]  to see them today.
[15:57.040 --> 16:00.000]  She said, well, Ms. Calton, you're not going to see those records.
[16:00.000 --> 16:01.000]  Oh, really?
[16:01.000 --> 16:04.240]  Well, now she's getting frustrated.
[16:04.240 --> 16:06.680]  She's under some pressure.
[16:06.680 --> 16:13.840]  Clearly she's frightened, but more so than I can account for.
[16:13.840 --> 16:18.500]  She's trying to deal with me, but now she's getting frustrated and her frustration is
[16:18.500 --> 16:20.960]  turned into anger.
[16:20.960 --> 16:23.240]  So she told me I couldn't see the records.
[16:23.240 --> 16:26.760]  So I said, okay, wait right here.
[16:26.760 --> 16:28.000]  I need to go get security.
[16:28.000 --> 16:29.000]  Oh boy.
[16:29.000 --> 16:30.000]  Here we go.
[16:30.000 --> 16:31.560]  I turned and walked out the door.
[16:31.560 --> 16:32.560]  Oh yeah.
[16:32.560 --> 16:35.840]  We'll get back to this after the break.
[16:35.840 --> 16:36.840]  All right.
[16:36.840 --> 16:38.680]  And we have a couple of callers on the line as well.
[16:38.680 --> 16:44.940]  Rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens for our marathon.
[16:44.940 --> 16:48.040]  Callers call in 512-646-1984.
[16:48.040 --> 16:57.920]  We'll be right back.
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[18:56.200 --> 18:59.000]  I love it.
[18:59.000 --> 19:07.240]  Patterson, Martin, Jerry Stevens and Deborah Stevens, tyranny, demeter, you demeter, me
[19:07.240 --> 19:11.000]  demeter, up the whole country.
[19:11.000 --> 19:12.800]  Three shoes posse.
[19:12.800 --> 19:20.000]  We're giving them three shoes, two on their feet and one, you know where, you know, and
[19:20.000 --> 19:21.000]  it's really true.
[19:21.000 --> 19:25.800]  You know, they, they complain, they want to criticize three shoes posse for singing political
[19:25.800 --> 19:30.960]  music, but at the same time, they're not singing any political music.
[19:30.960 --> 19:36.120]  They're not doing anything activist or oriented or trying to make a difference.
[19:36.120 --> 19:40.940]  And then they just want to put their hand out to take a, a government handout.
[19:40.940 --> 19:43.000]  Give me a break.
[19:43.000 --> 19:44.560]  Okay.
[19:44.560 --> 19:50.600]  So Randy, going back to your story, let's, let's hear.
[19:50.600 --> 19:51.600]  Okay.
[19:51.600 --> 19:53.040]  So you're working up this Clark.
[19:53.040 --> 19:54.560]  She's angry.
[19:54.560 --> 20:01.080]  You're obviously presenting her with a situation she's never been presented with before.
[20:01.080 --> 20:04.520]  And she's frustrated, not knowing how to handle the situation.
[20:04.520 --> 20:07.000]  And then you call security on the poor girl.
[20:07.000 --> 20:08.000]  Oh man.
[20:08.000 --> 20:15.380]  It became clear to her that I was much more familiar with the laws governing her office
[20:15.380 --> 20:19.960]  than she was, and she didn't like that.
[20:19.960 --> 20:23.740]  So she told me I couldn't see the records.
[20:23.740 --> 20:28.040]  So I said, okay, you need to wait right here.
[20:28.040 --> 20:29.720]  Uh, I'm going to go get security.
[20:29.720 --> 20:35.400]  I walked out and they, there were three women there and they just froze with their mouse
[20:35.400 --> 20:36.400]  hanging open.
[20:36.400 --> 20:39.040]  Like they couldn't believe I just did that.
[20:39.040 --> 20:43.040]  So I went out and went to the security desk and told them, uh, I need you to send me an
[20:43.040 --> 20:48.000]  officer to arrest the district clerk.
[20:48.000 --> 20:49.280]  He said, for what?
[20:49.280 --> 20:54.120]  Oh, she's been naughty, but give me somebody you don't like cause I'm going to put him
[20:54.120 --> 20:56.320]  on the dime.
[20:56.320 --> 20:59.320]  And I went and sat out on a bench within a little while.
[20:59.320 --> 21:06.120]  This deputy, this bailiff come out and I told him, I wanted him to take a criminal complaint
[21:06.120 --> 21:13.440]  of official oppression, 3903 penal code, charging the clerk with violating 1.24 code of criminal
[21:13.440 --> 21:15.560]  procedure.
[21:15.560 --> 21:19.360]  He obviously had no idea what I was talking about because he had never read either one
[21:19.360 --> 21:24.480]  of those statutes, but he asked me to explain and I told him I asked to see some records
[21:24.480 --> 21:26.440]  and she wouldn't let me see them.
[21:26.440 --> 21:30.520]  And about this time a guy come out who's not in uniform and he starts asking me questions
[21:30.520 --> 21:32.600]  and I said, well, who are you?
[21:32.600 --> 21:36.120]  He said, I'm the lieutenant, the head of security.
[21:36.120 --> 21:42.320]  So I explained to him, I want to, I told what I told him first was, oh good, you're the
[21:42.320 --> 21:44.800]  one I really want to deal with.
[21:44.800 --> 21:49.520]  So I told him that I wanted him to take a complaint and verify this criminal affidavit
[21:49.520 --> 21:55.520]  for me, write up a report and take a voluntary statement.
[21:55.520 --> 22:00.860]  And when I told him what it's about, he said, nobody's taken any complaints here today.
[22:00.860 --> 22:06.160]  So I turned to the guy that came out first and said, what the heck do you bring him for?
[22:06.160 --> 22:08.720]  If he's not a cop, he can't do his job, what'd you bring him?
[22:08.720 --> 22:12.640]  And I turned to the lieutenant and I said, you're dismissed, you can go.
[22:12.640 --> 22:18.440]  You get me a real policeman and then he told me they weren't going to take any complaints
[22:18.440 --> 22:19.440]  today.
[22:19.440 --> 22:24.280]  Oh, well that's too bad.
[22:24.280 --> 22:25.800]  You sure that's your final decision?
[22:25.800 --> 22:26.800]  Yes, we are.
[22:26.800 --> 22:29.960]  Okay, you guys can go, I'm through with you.
[22:29.960 --> 22:33.560]  And they kind of start shuffling away and then I said, well, wait, wait, wait a minute.
[22:33.560 --> 22:35.680]  What's the number for the sheriff's department?
[22:35.680 --> 22:39.880]  And the lieutenant says, well, I'll just do you one better and he gives me his card.
[22:39.880 --> 22:42.480]  Oh, Lieutenant Roberts.
[22:42.480 --> 22:43.480]  Thank you.
[22:43.480 --> 22:44.480]  This will be very helpful.
[22:44.480 --> 22:46.520]  Okay, you can go now.
[22:46.520 --> 22:49.240]  And I start dialing.
[22:49.240 --> 22:53.160]  So I get to sheriff's department and ask them to send someone out to arrest the district
[22:53.160 --> 22:58.760]  clerk for official oppression and Lieutenant Roberts for official oppression and shielding
[22:58.760 --> 23:02.120]  from prosecution.
[23:02.120 --> 23:03.120]  And they asked me where I was.
[23:03.120 --> 23:05.360]  I said, well, I'm from the district clerk's office.
[23:05.360 --> 23:07.000]  Is that in the courthouse?
[23:07.000 --> 23:10.760]  Yeah, I think it is.
[23:10.760 --> 23:21.600]  So I go sit down and about 10 minutes, this lieutenant and a bunch of his little toadies,
[23:21.600 --> 23:23.280]  they show up again.
[23:23.280 --> 23:27.640]  The lieutenant comes out of the district clerk's office and the district clerk is following
[23:27.640 --> 23:31.780]  him with some papers in her hand.
[23:31.780 --> 23:35.760]  And they get about 10 feet from me and the lieutenant starts to say something.
[23:35.760 --> 23:43.520]  I hold up both hands for them to stop, wait, guys, I should not be talking to you at this
[23:43.520 --> 23:44.880]  point.
[23:44.880 --> 23:48.200]  I have someone coming.
[23:48.200 --> 23:54.520]  And I sit down and the lieutenant says, well, she's trying to give you the records, Lieutenant,
[23:54.520 --> 23:58.960]  if you don't mind, I have someone coming who I need to discuss this with.
[23:58.960 --> 24:00.960]  Yeah, too late.
[24:00.960 --> 24:01.960]  Too late.
[24:01.960 --> 24:06.360]  Well, one of the little toadies said, well, she's trying to give you the records you asked
[24:06.360 --> 24:07.360]  for.
[24:07.360 --> 24:08.680]  Too late shall be their cry.
[24:08.680 --> 24:12.000]  And I said, well, here's the problem.
[24:12.000 --> 24:17.400]  That bell has already been rung and you can't unring it.
[24:17.400 --> 24:19.600]  Well, just what do you mean by that?
[24:19.600 --> 24:24.680]  Well, if you stop me for speeding and I say, oh, geez, officer, I'm sorry, I won't do that
[24:24.680 --> 24:25.680]  again.
[24:25.680 --> 24:28.120]  Are you going to not write me a ticket?
[24:28.120 --> 24:29.600]  I don't want to talk about this anymore.
[24:29.600 --> 24:31.080]  That's fine with me.
[24:31.080 --> 24:32.080]  I don't get lost.
[24:32.080 --> 24:33.080]  I don't need you.
[24:33.080 --> 24:34.080]  I don't get lost.
[24:34.080 --> 24:35.080]  Randy.
[24:35.080 --> 24:39.520]  Okay, Randy, let me just interrupt you here for a second.
[24:39.520 --> 24:46.640]  I want you to tell our listeners where exactly is Randall County in Texas.
[24:46.640 --> 24:47.640]  Amarillo.
[24:47.640 --> 24:48.640]  Amarillo.
[24:48.640 --> 24:49.640]  Okay.
[24:49.640 --> 24:53.160]  So listeners, for those of you who do not know where Amarillo is, it's in the panhandle
[24:53.160 --> 24:54.160]  of Texas.
[24:54.160 --> 24:57.600]  We're talking the boondocks, okay?
[24:57.600 --> 25:02.240]  We're talking BFE business, okay?
[25:02.240 --> 25:10.120]  I've driven through there many times on the way to Denver when the band's been on tour.
[25:10.120 --> 25:11.120]  Okay.
[25:11.120 --> 25:12.840]  Desolate area, okay?
[25:12.840 --> 25:16.080]  These people are, you know, it's Podunkville.
[25:16.080 --> 25:20.320]  Not necessarily the people, but I'm just saying this is way out in remote spill.
[25:20.320 --> 25:21.320]  Okay.
[25:21.320 --> 25:26.720]  So Randy, just to give us some perspective here, I've been with you when you do things
[25:26.720 --> 25:27.720]  like this.
[25:27.720 --> 25:31.720]  We've done this stuff together in Austin and other states and other places.
[25:31.720 --> 25:32.920]  All right.
[25:32.920 --> 25:41.720]  Do these people act or react differently, you know, whether it's a rural area or whether
[25:41.720 --> 25:46.840]  it's a major metropolitan area or from state to state, is it just all the same every time
[25:46.840 --> 25:47.840]  or...
[25:47.840 --> 25:48.840]  Yes.
[25:48.840 --> 25:49.840]  No, no.
[25:49.840 --> 25:50.840]  These people did act differently.
[25:50.840 --> 26:01.280]  I'm telling stories about how I kind of jerked them around, but I do need to qualify that
[26:01.280 --> 26:06.800]  for all of the grief I gave them, no one ever got out of hand.
[26:06.800 --> 26:15.480]  No one ever lost his professionalism, and frankly, I was very pleased with them because
[26:15.480 --> 26:19.720]  I was really annoying.
[26:19.720 --> 26:21.160]  More so than usual.
[26:21.160 --> 26:27.880]  And the reason being, I found out later was there was another dynamic at work there that
[26:27.880 --> 26:31.060]  I wasn't aware of at the moment.
[26:31.060 --> 26:38.240]  So back to where we were, about this time, the policeman that I called walked in and
[26:38.240 --> 26:42.640]  I just turned away from these guys and turned to the policeman.
[26:42.640 --> 26:45.600]  And I said, are you the one that was sent for my call?
[26:45.600 --> 26:46.600]  He said, yes, I am.
[26:46.600 --> 26:51.320]  I'm going to start telling him the facts of the matter.
[26:51.320 --> 26:56.360]  And the lieutenant stepped up and told the officer, well, the clerk is trying to give
[26:56.360 --> 26:57.360]  him the records.
[26:57.360 --> 26:59.760]  And I turned to him, will you butt out?
[26:59.760 --> 27:01.000]  We've got business to handle here.
[27:01.000 --> 27:03.480]  Will you just stand back and leave this be?
[27:03.480 --> 27:05.820]  He shuts up and steps back.
[27:05.820 --> 27:09.840]  And that surprised me because I figured that's when I was going to get thrown out because
[27:09.840 --> 27:13.440]  something I missed earlier, one of them had asked me to leave.
[27:13.440 --> 27:15.000]  No, no, no.
[27:15.000 --> 27:18.360]  I have business here, I'm waiting for an officer to come.
[27:18.360 --> 27:20.800]  You guys need to get lost.
[27:20.800 --> 27:28.320]  And I told the lieutenant, he said something, I said, you especially need to get lost while
[27:28.320 --> 27:31.600]  I'm the head of security and I'll stay here if I want to.
[27:31.600 --> 27:36.880]  Yes, you're the head of security, but I'm going to be filing criminal complaints against
[27:36.880 --> 27:39.520]  you so you are disqualified.
[27:39.520 --> 27:43.080]  And besides, under that coat, do you have a pistol on?
[27:43.080 --> 27:45.320]  And he pulled his coat back and said, well, yes, I do.
[27:45.320 --> 27:46.320]  Is that pistol loaded?
[27:46.320 --> 27:50.600]  Of course it's loaded, but I'm a certified police officer and I'm authorized to carry
[27:50.600 --> 27:51.800]  a loaded weapon.
[27:51.800 --> 27:56.960]  Yes, you are, but you're not authorized to commit a criminal act while you're displaying
[27:56.960 --> 27:57.960]  that deadly weapon.
[27:57.960 --> 28:01.240]  Now you need to get out of here.
[28:01.240 --> 28:05.120]  And then this little toady that they sent out first said, well, you just like to come
[28:05.120 --> 28:06.840]  down here and see how much trouble you can cause.
[28:06.840 --> 28:09.840]  You just enjoy coming down here and giving people trouble.
[28:09.840 --> 28:11.440]  And I said, stop that.
[28:11.440 --> 28:12.440]  Of course you do.
[28:12.440 --> 28:18.200]  Well, when I said stop that, he looked like I had slapped him in the face.
[28:18.200 --> 28:22.600]  And he said, you can't talk to me like that.
[28:22.600 --> 28:24.680]  You talk to me like I'm a child.
[28:24.680 --> 28:28.360]  I said, hey, you come out here disparaging me.
[28:28.360 --> 28:30.040]  Was I disparaging you?
[28:30.040 --> 28:31.480]  Did I tell you how short you are?
[28:31.480 --> 28:32.480]  What a chump you look like?
[28:32.480 --> 28:33.760]  I don't do any of that kind of stuff.
[28:33.760 --> 28:37.020]  You just need, if you can't talk decent and polite, just get out of here.
[28:37.020 --> 28:38.020]  We don't need you anyway.
[28:38.020 --> 28:39.020]  Get lost.
[28:39.020 --> 28:44.040]  Yeah, and hold on a second, for somebody to say, you can't talk to me like that, or you
[28:44.040 --> 28:47.000]  can't say those things, that's so ridiculous.
[28:47.000 --> 28:48.840]  Yes, we can.
[28:48.840 --> 28:49.840]  It's our mouth.
[28:49.840 --> 28:55.080]  Like Patterson Martin, my singer, the lead singer for my band, always loves to say, do
[28:55.080 --> 28:57.800]  you pay rent for your mouth?
[28:57.800 --> 28:59.360]  No.
[28:59.360 --> 29:00.360]  It's my mouth.
[29:00.360 --> 29:03.120]  I'll say whatever I want.
[29:03.120 --> 29:05.680]  That's why I'm on the radio as a talk show host.
[29:05.680 --> 29:06.680]  Okay?
[29:06.680 --> 29:10.520]  I can break my bones, can break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
[29:10.520 --> 29:11.520]  Okay?
[29:11.520 --> 29:12.520]  No, wait.
[29:12.520 --> 29:13.520]  So take that, ADL.
[29:13.520 --> 29:15.960]  That wasn't it.
[29:15.960 --> 29:22.360]  That he would say that told me there's another dynamic going on here.
[29:22.360 --> 29:24.360]  Yeah, they're scared.
[29:24.360 --> 29:28.200]  One of them, they ordered me to leave, and when I objected, they didn't.
[29:28.200 --> 29:32.360]  When I was really rude to them, they tolerated it?
[29:32.360 --> 29:33.360]  They're afraid.
[29:33.360 --> 29:34.360]  They're afraid of you.
[29:34.360 --> 29:36.400]  They were, and I'll explain why when we get back.
[29:36.400 --> 29:37.400]  Okay.
[29:37.400 --> 29:41.640]  And we also have Travis from Minnesota, Gail from Minnesota, will take your calls very
[29:41.640 --> 29:42.640]  soon.
[29:42.640 --> 29:43.640]  All right.
[29:43.640 --> 29:47.520]  See, they're afraid of us, Randy, and they should be because we're the boss.
[29:47.520 --> 29:48.520]  All right.
[29:48.520 --> 29:49.520]  We'll be right back.
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[31:22.320 --> 31:25.280]  And I'm not gonna name it.
[31:25.280 --> 31:26.280]  Okay?
[31:26.280 --> 31:31.280]  Because Julie man she well gully, she said she don't want no man with food because Julie
[31:31.280 --> 31:44.720]  man she well gully, she said she only want helicopter bun and food because the man me
[31:44.720 --> 31:49.720]  say drink the money, drink the money in US currency, money in the city give it to Julie,
[31:49.720 --> 31:56.720]  she said she only want me say US currency, but now the economy getting badly, Wall Street
[31:56.720 --> 32:02.720]  losing a lot of money, Julie said she only want yen around city because Julie man she
[32:02.720 --> 32:09.720]  well gully, she said she only want US currency because Julie man she well gully, she said
[32:09.720 --> 32:15.720]  she only want helicopter bun and eat, bun and eat man in print the money so that the man
[32:15.720 --> 32:20.720]  work for the man to see, so that the man work me say feed the bank to see, and when you
[32:20.720 --> 32:25.720]  come to print in all the you know me, you better call helicopter bun and key, and when
[32:25.720 --> 32:32.720]  you call him and he get the money, get the money and you print it quickly.
[32:32.720 --> 32:33.720]  Okay Randy.
[32:33.720 --> 32:34.720]  Okay.
[32:34.720 --> 32:36.720]  Alright, they're afraid of you.
[32:36.720 --> 32:40.720]  Okay and I just want to make a little comment on this.
[32:40.720 --> 32:43.720]  We have the power people.
[32:43.720 --> 32:46.720]  It's like the Wizard of Oz, okay.
[32:46.720 --> 32:50.720]  It's like Dorothy with the ruby slippers, okay.
[32:50.720 --> 32:53.720]  She had it all along.
[32:53.720 --> 33:01.720]  Okay, took the whole movie took weeks for her to find out that in the end, she had it
[33:01.720 --> 33:03.720]  all along.
[33:03.720 --> 33:06.720]  Okay, we have it all along.
[33:06.720 --> 33:08.720]  We have the power.
[33:08.720 --> 33:10.720]  All you have to do is stand on it.
[33:10.720 --> 33:13.720]  And these people are afraid of us and they should be because we're the boss.
[33:13.720 --> 33:14.720]  So go ahead, Randy.
[33:14.720 --> 33:18.720]  There was another dynamic going on.
[33:18.720 --> 33:21.720]  It was clear that something was going on.
[33:21.720 --> 33:25.720]  And I clearly didn't know what it was.
[33:25.720 --> 33:31.720]  But being of the nature that I am, I took full advantage of it and really kind of
[33:31.720 --> 33:33.720]  worked them over.
[33:33.720 --> 33:36.720]  And finally, I said, okay, okay.
[33:36.720 --> 33:40.720]  What happened is the policeman showed up and I started talking to him.
[33:40.720 --> 33:46.720]  And after I kind of stung the lieutenant again, I turned back to the officer and I
[33:46.720 --> 33:49.720]  noticed he's got a blue uniform on.
[33:49.720 --> 33:54.720]  I looked at his patch and it was City of Canyon City.
[33:54.720 --> 33:56.720]  I said, wait a minute.
[33:56.720 --> 33:58.720]  You're a municipal cop.
[33:58.720 --> 34:01.720]  He said, yes, I work for the City of Canyon City.
[34:01.720 --> 34:03.720]  You're in a county courthouse here.
[34:03.720 --> 34:04.720]  You don't have any jurisdiction.
[34:04.720 --> 34:07.720]  What the heck did they send you for?
[34:07.720 --> 34:08.720]  And he looked confused.
[34:08.720 --> 34:12.720]  The rest of them looked confused.
[34:12.720 --> 34:17.720]  They didn't know he didn't have jurisdiction in the county courthouse.
[34:17.720 --> 34:20.720]  I told him, I need a sheriff's deputy.
[34:20.720 --> 34:22.720]  And all of these guys said, well, we're sheriff's deputies.
[34:22.720 --> 34:25.720]  No, you're perps.
[34:25.720 --> 34:30.720]  I need a sheriff's deputy to arrest you guys.
[34:30.720 --> 34:31.720]  Perps.
[34:31.720 --> 34:32.720]  I like that.
[34:32.720 --> 34:33.720]  Perps.
[34:33.720 --> 34:35.720]  I tell the city guy, I can't use you.
[34:35.720 --> 34:36.720]  I'm sorry.
[34:36.720 --> 34:38.720]  You have no jurisdiction here.
[34:38.720 --> 34:40.720]  And then I said, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[34:40.720 --> 34:47.720]  Besides, I did not come here to have a fight with the district clerk.
[34:47.720 --> 34:52.720]  I will capitulate on the clerk and I'll deal with this lieutenant later.
[34:52.720 --> 34:59.720]  So if it's okay with you, I'll handle this in another venue.
[34:59.720 --> 35:02.720]  And he was tickled to get out of there.
[35:02.720 --> 35:04.720]  He couldn't get out of there fast enough.
[35:04.720 --> 35:05.720]  Of course.
[35:05.720 --> 35:10.720]  So I went back and started looking at the records.
[35:10.720 --> 35:15.720]  And by this time, the clerk is pretty close to livid.
[35:15.720 --> 35:16.720]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[35:16.720 --> 35:17.720]  Hold on.
[35:17.720 --> 35:18.720]  You skipped something.
[35:18.720 --> 35:20.720]  Looking at the records, so what?
[35:20.720 --> 35:22.720]  Did you just like help yourself?
[35:22.720 --> 35:26.720]  Did you just waltz back there into the office and start thumbing through the files?
[35:26.720 --> 35:29.720]  Or did the clerk give them to you?
[35:29.720 --> 35:33.720]  How did you actually manage to get to the physical papers?
[35:33.720 --> 35:39.720]  Well, they were kind of jumping up and down to find a way to get me to let them bring them to me.
[35:39.720 --> 35:42.720]  By now, because I'm trying to get them to arrest the clerk.
[35:42.720 --> 35:44.720]  So she doesn't want to get arrested.
[35:44.720 --> 35:56.720]  When she came out of the office with this lieutenant and I stopped them and told them, I can't talk to you right now.
[35:56.720 --> 36:02.720]  The district clerk went white.
[36:02.720 --> 36:04.720]  She just froze in her tracks.
[36:04.720 --> 36:08.720]  And she's looking at me like she cannot believe this is happening.
[36:08.720 --> 36:13.720]  Yeah, white, like a ghost, like this picture on Skype.
[36:13.720 --> 36:19.720]  Well, your Skype ID is like, I guess it's one of your grandkids or something dressed up like a ghost.
[36:19.720 --> 36:29.720]  You know, have you ever been into something and it's like this little bell is dinging in the background, trying to get your attention and tell you something?
[36:29.720 --> 36:41.720]  I looked at her reaction and thought, holy crap, you know, that was surely she didn't really think that she could ever get prosecuted for any crapola like this.
[36:41.720 --> 36:44.720]  So what is going on here?
[36:44.720 --> 36:52.720]  Well, I went back looking at the records and I know she's really frightened of something.
[36:52.720 --> 36:58.720]  So I kind of did the song and dance and seltzer down your pants.
[36:58.720 --> 37:04.720]  I look through the records and I start explaining to her why I needed to see these.
[37:04.720 --> 37:06.720]  I said, look at this record.
[37:06.720 --> 37:19.720]  This guy got arrested on the complaint in here was filed with your court on the 6th of September of 07.
[37:19.720 --> 37:26.720]  He requested court appointed counsel on the 3rd of September of 07.
[37:26.720 --> 37:32.720]  Well, how do you suppose that happened if he didn't get charged with a crime until the 6th?
[37:32.720 --> 37:42.720]  And if you look at the bail form, he got bailed out of jail on the 30th of August.
[37:42.720 --> 37:49.720]  So how did he get bailed out of jail for a crime he wasn't accused of until a week later?
[37:49.720 --> 37:53.720]  Oh, man, this is outrageous, Randy.
[37:53.720 --> 37:54.720]  This is all of them.
[37:54.720 --> 38:00.720]  And what I'm pointing, what I'm leading her up to is the reason I need these other records.
[38:00.720 --> 38:04.720]  And I told her it is clear records are missing.
[38:04.720 --> 38:15.720]  Now, if I was arrested and put through this process and wanted to challenge the validity of the probable cause determination with a Frank's hearing,
[38:15.720 --> 38:20.720]  I couldn't do that because there are no records of that hearing.
[38:20.720 --> 38:23.720]  Someone has those records.
[38:23.720 --> 38:28.720]  You're supposed to have those records, but you don't have them.
[38:28.720 --> 38:34.720]  Whoever's got them has them in violation of 17.30 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[38:34.720 --> 38:40.720]  And that violates 3710 Penal Code, which is a felony in Texas.
[38:40.720 --> 38:41.720]  Boy.
[38:41.720 --> 38:51.720]  Now, I had to be able to look at these documents and determine for certain that the records I'm looking for are not here.
[38:51.720 --> 39:03.720]  Yeah, which is going to require her signature on a piece of paper saying that the records pursuant to your request are not found.
[39:03.720 --> 39:05.720]  And that's the last thing she wants to do.
[39:05.720 --> 39:16.720]  I mean, no wonder this person is scared because she's realizing all of a sudden that she's in way over her head.
[39:16.720 --> 39:20.720]  I mean, I can just imagine, OK, she's trained or he or she.
[39:20.720 --> 39:25.720]  OK, the clerk trained to just do things a certain way.
[39:25.720 --> 39:33.720]  And all of a sudden, you or me or, you know, someone like us comes in there and we know what we're doing.
[39:33.720 --> 39:39.720]  And all of a sudden, this person realizes that they don't know what they're doing.
[39:39.720 --> 39:45.720]  And they're smack dab in the middle of the courthouse with all the records.
[39:45.720 --> 39:54.720]  And that person is trying to figure out a way that they're not going to go to jail or get fired or something.
[39:54.720 --> 40:05.720]  I mean, it's got to be an extremely terrifying position to be in because, you know, people like that are lackeys.
[40:05.720 --> 40:07.720]  They're not they're not activists.
[40:07.720 --> 40:09.720]  It's not like they want to do the right thing.
[40:09.720 --> 40:11.720]  It's not like they don't want to do the right thing.
[40:11.720 --> 40:12.720]  It's neither one.
[40:12.720 --> 40:15.720]  They just they just want to get by. OK.
[40:15.720 --> 40:17.720]  But it's worse than that.
[40:17.720 --> 40:24.720]  I'm sure I found out on the way home what the real concern was.
[40:24.720 --> 40:25.720]  We'll get to that.
[40:25.720 --> 40:29.720]  She had good reason for being terrified.
[40:29.720 --> 40:33.720]  Why? Because her boyfriend is the judge and she was going to make him mad.
[40:33.720 --> 40:36.720]  Let me get to that.
[40:36.720 --> 40:42.720]  Also, we have Kim from Texas, a new caller on the line. So, Kim, we're going to take you in just a minute.
[40:42.720 --> 40:56.720]  OK, so I'm going through the records and explaining to her what the problem is and how the records are missing and how we can't verify for certain legal purposes.
[40:56.720 --> 41:03.720]  And clearly, she's standing there looking at me kind of with her mouth hanging open.
[41:03.720 --> 41:06.720]  She's getting more terrified by the minute.
[41:06.720 --> 41:08.720]  Because her boyfriend is going to get really mad.
[41:08.720 --> 41:09.720]  That's why.
[41:09.720 --> 41:15.720]  Then she went back and brought me the minutes of the grand jury I had asked for.
[41:15.720 --> 41:17.720]  Oh, wow.
[41:17.720 --> 41:21.720]  She also brought me the names of all the grand jury members.
[41:21.720 --> 41:25.720]  She said she talked to the judge and he said that she had to release them.
[41:25.720 --> 41:27.720]  Yeah, like I said.
[41:27.720 --> 41:34.720]  So, that was interesting. The boyfriend told her.
[41:34.720 --> 41:38.720]  She brought something else, most everything I wanted.
[41:38.720 --> 41:41.720]  The 1730 record she didn't bring.
[41:41.720 --> 41:47.720]  She had someone standing there watching me and I kept asking her questions and she refused to answer.
[41:47.720 --> 41:51.720]  So, I gave her my standard scope and content request.
[41:51.720 --> 41:57.720]  That's the request I give when an agency is not forthcoming.
[41:57.720 --> 42:02.720]  And it demands to know every single record the department keeps.
[42:02.720 --> 42:04.720]  What the name of that record is.
[42:04.720 --> 42:06.720]  How I can request that record.
[42:06.720 --> 42:07.720]  What's in that record.
[42:07.720 --> 42:09.720]  What medium the record is held in.
[42:09.720 --> 42:12.720]  Everything. It takes them a week to answer this question.
[42:12.720 --> 42:18.720]  Yeah, and listeners, this is not a request for every single record that they have.
[42:18.720 --> 42:22.720]  This is a request for how do they organize the records.
[42:22.720 --> 42:25.720]  Like you're saying, what medium do they keep them on?
[42:25.720 --> 42:29.720]  Is it computers? Is it files? What kinds of records do they keep?
[42:29.720 --> 42:34.720]  Okay, this has to do with the organization of their records and what kinds of records they keep.
[42:34.720 --> 42:40.720]  So, they always like to pull this crap of, well, can you narrow down your request?
[42:40.720 --> 42:42.720]  I mean, we can't just give you all the records.
[42:42.720 --> 42:45.720]  It's like, no, dude, we're not asking for all the records.
[42:45.720 --> 42:48.720]  We're asking for your organization.
[42:48.720 --> 42:49.720]  What's in them?
[42:49.720 --> 42:50.720]  Yes.
[42:50.720 --> 42:53.720]  What records do you keep? And what's in those records?
[42:53.720 --> 42:55.720]  And how do you keep those records?
[42:55.720 --> 42:56.720]  Oh, boy, they don't like that.
[42:56.720 --> 42:57.720]  No, they don't like it a bit.
[42:57.720 --> 42:59.720]  I call it my scope and content request.
[42:59.720 --> 43:01.720]  So, I gave her that one. I had given them that one.
[43:01.720 --> 43:06.720]  And when she was forthcoming, I asked her to give me that one back and I would strike it.
[43:06.720 --> 43:11.720]  I told her I only use that one to punish a jurisdiction anyway.
[43:11.720 --> 43:18.720]  But the point I'm trying to drive home to her is I know this code frontwards and backwards.
[43:18.720 --> 43:19.720]  Yeah, and she doesn't.
[43:19.720 --> 43:21.720]  So, don't mess with me.
[43:21.720 --> 43:30.720]  Okay, I finished with her and then I jerked the district attorney around and went and watched some courts and went to the jail.
[43:30.720 --> 43:34.720]  And as soon as you come back, I'll finish up and I'll explain why I think she was so frightened.
[43:34.720 --> 43:38.720]  Okay, okay. And I really do want to get to Kim in Texas.
[43:38.720 --> 43:43.720]  Randy, because he's a new caller and I want to pay some respects.
[43:43.720 --> 43:44.720]  Okay.
[43:44.720 --> 43:46.720]  All right, we'll be back on the other side.
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[45:48.720 --> 46:15.720]  Rule of law, rule of law radio, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[46:15.720 --> 46:18.720]  Kim from Texas, brand new caller.
[46:18.720 --> 46:21.720]  Kim, just home one second.
[46:21.720 --> 46:23.720]  Randy wants to finish the story.
[46:23.720 --> 46:24.720]  Okay, Randy, come on.
[46:24.720 --> 46:26.720]  Okay, about done.
[46:26.720 --> 46:29.720]  I'll leave off what I did at the jail.
[46:29.720 --> 46:33.720]  I was at the jail and the lieutenant showed up again.
[46:33.720 --> 46:44.720]  What I did tell him was that I was going to be bringing a suit against this county that they are not going to believe.
[46:44.720 --> 46:52.720]  So on the way home that evening, I'm talking to the guy I went up there with.
[46:52.720 --> 46:59.720]  And it seems he had a brother that robbed a bunch of banks and got a 16-year prison term.
[46:59.720 --> 47:06.720]  The brother got out and was on probation and got caught with drugs.
[47:06.720 --> 47:07.720]  Not a lot of drugs.
[47:07.720 --> 47:12.720]  They didn't charge him with dealing, just using, so there wasn't much.
[47:12.720 --> 47:21.720]  Turns out he paid his attorney, who is the guy I was with, he's using the same attorney.
[47:21.720 --> 47:34.720]  He paid his attorney $27,000 because he really needed this dismissed, otherwise they'd revoke his parole and he'd go back to prison.
[47:34.720 --> 47:45.720]  When the judge dismissed the case, the prosecutor had a fit and threatened to refile the case.
[47:45.720 --> 47:50.720]  And the judge told him, it won't matter, I'll just dismiss it again.
[47:50.720 --> 48:01.720]  I didn't know this at the time I was at the court, but I think the attorney bought the judge and didn't pay off the prosecutor.
[48:01.720 --> 48:06.720]  So the prosecutor didn't know the fix was in until he got screwed and he was upset about it.
[48:06.720 --> 48:10.720]  Now he's trying to pay the brother back by going after his other brother.
[48:10.720 --> 48:14.720]  Okay, so why is the clerk scared?
[48:14.720 --> 48:15.720]  She knows about it.
[48:15.720 --> 48:16.720]  Okay.
[48:16.720 --> 48:29.720]  She knows the fix was in, and now they've got a media in here looking at one of the brothers to where the fix was in.
[48:29.720 --> 48:35.720]  That's probably not the only fix, and she's afraid she's going to get caught in the middle.
[48:35.720 --> 48:42.720]  Yeah, it's a skeleton that she's trying to hide, and that's not even something you were trying to uncover.
[48:42.720 --> 48:44.720]  Right, I had no knowledge of anything.
[48:44.720 --> 48:52.720]  And that is purely speculation on my part, but it explains why everybody was so concerned.
[48:52.720 --> 49:03.720]  Well, the point is they're always going to be concerned because they always have something to hide one way or the other, for one thing.
[49:03.720 --> 49:11.720]  And even by chance, if they don't have something to hide, they don't know what they're doing, and they know it.
[49:11.720 --> 49:24.720]  Okay, and somebody like you or me comes in there and starts citing statutes and code numbers and paragraphs and case law and this and that and the other thing.
[49:24.720 --> 49:32.720]  And they realize their way in over their head, and they immediately become concerned about two things.
[49:32.720 --> 49:35.720]  Number one, are they going to go to jail over this?
[49:35.720 --> 49:39.720]  Number two, are they going to lose their job over this?
[49:39.720 --> 49:47.720]  And number three, is their spouse going to find out about nefarious activities that they're involved in?
[49:47.720 --> 49:57.720]  Frankly, this is not something that I would want to interfere with what I'm doing.
[49:57.720 --> 50:00.720]  No, absolutely. It's a side issue, really.
[50:00.720 --> 50:07.720]  But we can use it to our advantage at any rate. I mean, good. It's a good thing that they're scared.
[50:07.720 --> 50:16.720]  Yeah, it's nice that they're scared, but whatever went on with the court, I wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole because what it would do was sidetrack the issue.
[50:16.720 --> 50:18.720]  I want to go after them for due process.
[50:18.720 --> 50:19.720]  Absolutely.
[50:19.720 --> 50:21.720]  It was an interesting day.
[50:21.720 --> 50:28.720]  Okay, look, I want to get more into this, but listen, we've got some callers, new callers, Randy, so let's try to be considerate here.
[50:28.720 --> 50:37.720]  Okay, we've got Kim and Lisa, brand new callers. We've also got Travis and Gail. I see you guys and ladies on the board.
[50:37.720 --> 50:43.720]  Our discretion, our caprice, we get to take callers out of order if we feel like it.
[50:43.720 --> 50:46.720]  Okay, we're going to spend a lot of time with Gail, we're sure.
[50:46.720 --> 50:51.720]  We're going to spend a lot of time with Gail because she's got a complex case, so Gail, just hold on the line.
[50:51.720 --> 50:57.720]  Travis, we will get to you, but I do want to take our new callers first, okay, brand new callers.
[50:57.720 --> 51:03.720]  We've got Kim from Texas. Kim, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[51:03.720 --> 51:06.720]  Kim? Okay.
[51:06.720 --> 51:07.720]  He fell asleep.
[51:07.720 --> 51:15.720]  He's calling back in right now. Hold on. There he is. Okay.
[51:15.720 --> 51:19.720]  Kim, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight? New caller.
[51:19.720 --> 51:24.720]  Y'all are incredible. You're the dynamic duo on the radio.
[51:24.720 --> 51:26.720]  Thank you.
[51:26.720 --> 51:35.720]  A couple quick questions for you. Are you familiar with Mark Stevens, Adventures in Legal Land?
[51:35.720 --> 51:36.720]  Yes.
[51:36.720 --> 51:41.720]  What's your opinion on that as an approach to going into court?
[51:41.720 --> 51:46.720]  I don't have an opinion on what he does. I haven't studied it. I know of him.
[51:46.720 --> 51:47.720]  Okay.
[51:47.720 --> 51:50.720]  If you can give me a synopsis, I could give you a...
[51:50.720 --> 51:58.720]  Basically, it's going in there and exposing the whole...
[51:58.720 --> 52:04.720]  Exposing the fact that the Emperor really doesn't have any clothes, and they see after...
[52:04.720 --> 52:08.720]  And it's by asking questions. You never argue with them. You don't make statements.
[52:08.720 --> 52:15.720]  You just ask questions based on, you know, what are the rules here? Am I entitled to a fair trial?
[52:15.720 --> 52:24.720]  And so on, and you just tie them in knots, and it never gets to the issue at hand
[52:24.720 --> 52:30.720]  because they lose their patience with you about five or six questions into it.
[52:30.720 --> 52:36.720]  I very much like that approach. I very much like the approach of not arguing with them.
[52:36.720 --> 52:37.720]  Yep.
[52:37.720 --> 52:41.720]  Drawing them up on the dime is what I did to this clerk.
[52:41.720 --> 52:45.720]  I pushed her to the point that she reacted and did something stupid.
[52:45.720 --> 52:49.720]  And as soon as she did, I walked away immediately.
[52:49.720 --> 52:52.720]  I'm not going to argue with her. I'm not going to tell her what she's supposed to do.
[52:52.720 --> 53:00.720]  I'm not going to tell her what my rights are. I'm going to go get somebody else to kick them.
[53:00.720 --> 53:04.720]  And I'm working toward that in the courts as well.
[53:04.720 --> 53:18.720]  I'm looking at orchestrating ways to get the judge to render administrative or ministerial decisions
[53:18.720 --> 53:28.720]  because when a judge does an administrative decision or a ministerial decision,
[53:28.720 --> 53:33.720]  ministerial is one of those where he must do a certain thing,
[53:33.720 --> 53:36.720]  where he has no option.
[53:36.720 --> 53:44.720]  If I file a writ of habeas corpus, the judge must stop everything he's doing
[53:44.720 --> 53:47.720]  and hear the petition for the writ.
[53:47.720 --> 53:51.720]  He doesn't have to grant it, but he has to stop and hear it.
[53:51.720 --> 53:55.720]  In Montgomery County, they stopped a murder trial.
[53:55.720 --> 54:02.720]  Finished examining a witness. When the witness stepped down, they stopped the trial, and he heard my writ.
[54:02.720 --> 54:07.720]  And threw me out in the street. But he heard the writ.
[54:07.720 --> 54:12.720]  That was a ministerial act on his part over which he had no discretion.
[54:12.720 --> 54:20.720]  For that, if he violates that, he has zero immunity from civil suit.
[54:20.720 --> 54:23.720]  Administrative and ministerial.
[54:23.720 --> 54:28.720]  Administrative would be like if you ask your attorney to do something he don't want to,
[54:28.720 --> 54:32.720]  he runs to the judge and asks to be removed from the case.
[54:32.720 --> 54:37.720]  That's not ministerial. That's administrative. It goes to the administration of the court.
[54:37.720 --> 54:42.720]  It does not go to the case itself.
[54:42.720 --> 54:44.720]  He doesn't have any immunity for that one either.
[54:44.720 --> 54:48.720]  So if he removes my attorney, I sue him for interfering with a private contract.
[54:48.720 --> 54:53.720]  Looking for ways to get them to make administrative and judicial decisions I don't like,
[54:53.720 --> 54:56.720]  so I can sue him personally.
[54:56.720 --> 55:07.720]  Another quick question. Are you in favor of pro se litigation versus having someone represent you?
[55:07.720 --> 55:13.720]  Well, I like pro se litigation. I would like for pro ses to be competent.
[55:13.720 --> 55:21.720]  But in the real world I live in, I'm coming to believe it's better to get an attorney.
[55:21.720 --> 55:27.720]  And when I came to that decision, I had to find a way to control your attorney.
[55:27.720 --> 55:33.720]  And I'm working that out. If you're willing to take control of your attorney, it's better to have one.
[55:33.720 --> 55:41.720]  But the problem then is since the game is rigged, the dice are loaded, they make the rules.
[55:41.720 --> 55:45.720]  And then if you get an attorney, they'll bleed you to death.
[55:45.720 --> 55:50.720]  No, they won't. That's what I'm talking about, how to handle your attorney.
[55:50.720 --> 55:57.720]  Do your pro se work. I have a motion that I file for a counsel of choice.
[55:57.720 --> 56:04.720]  And that motion renders your attorney standby counsel.
[56:04.720 --> 56:10.720]  Well, Randy, listen, this is a good question, a good point that Kim is bringing up,
[56:10.720 --> 56:19.720]  because I've been wondering about this myself regarding, okay, say you know what you're doing, okay, or me, or whoever.
[56:19.720 --> 56:28.720]  All right, and say somebody has an attorney, and you want your attorney to file certain motions, certain pleadings.
[56:28.720 --> 56:36.720]  But the attorney says, I'm going to file that. And the thing is, once you've signed over power of attorney,
[56:36.720 --> 56:47.720]  then the attorney has the power basically to decide what motions he or she wants to file and argue in court.
[56:47.720 --> 56:57.720]  So how can you force your attorney to file and argue the motions that you want your attorney to file and argue?
[56:57.720 --> 56:59.720]  Is there any way to do that?
[56:59.720 --> 57:05.720]  Yes, there is. There's something that your attorney doesn't want you to know.
[57:05.720 --> 57:10.720]  First, he doesn't want you to know that he's walking through a minefield.
[57:10.720 --> 57:20.720]  He knows where all the mines are. He doesn't want you to know where they're at, because he's in the middle of it.
[57:20.720 --> 57:30.720]  No one who is an attorney read a book on legal malpractice before he became an attorney,
[57:30.720 --> 57:39.720]  because I can't imagine any attorney going into law if he ever read all the things he could be sued for.
[57:39.720 --> 57:45.720]  I remember we started going through that book, it was O'Connor's book on malpractice,
[57:45.720 --> 57:57.720]  and we got about 20 pages into several hundred pages of causes of action of what you could sue your attorney for regarding malpractice.
[57:57.720 --> 58:05.720]  And I am talking the stupidest, piddly little things like, I mean, it's totally ridiculous.
[58:05.720 --> 58:10.720]  Literally, if the guy parts his hair on the wrong side, you could sue him.
[58:10.720 --> 58:14.720]  I'm serious. That is a cause of action. It's retarded.
[58:14.720 --> 58:18.720]  These guys are totally vulnerable. Totally vulnerable.
[58:18.720 --> 58:23.720]  That's not all. The minefield is deeper than he realizes.
[58:23.720 --> 58:27.720]  Actually, he knows it. He absolutely doesn't want you to know about this part.
[58:27.720 --> 58:32.720]  There's two minefields out there. The first one is malpractice.
[58:32.720 --> 58:38.720]  The second one, which is much worse, is bar grievances.
[58:38.720 --> 58:39.720]  Oh, boy.
[58:39.720 --> 58:44.720]  Three bar grievances, you'll just about end an attorney's career.
[58:44.720 --> 58:52.720]  So what we do is do your pro se work, develop all your motions, give them to the attorney.
[58:52.720 --> 58:54.720]  We'll finish this up on the next slide.
[58:54.720 --> 58:58.720]  Yes, and we also have Lisa from Texas, another new caller.
[58:58.720 --> 59:03.720]  So I'm going to bring her up as well when we get back on the other side, Randy, as soon as you're...
[59:03.720 --> 59:08.720]  Okay, then we'll take Travis and blow him off real quick.
[59:08.720 --> 59:12.720]  But that says you.
[59:12.720 --> 59:17.720]  Okay, Kim, hang on the line. We got Gail, Lisa, Travis.
[59:17.720 --> 59:23.720]  We'll be right back. This is the rule of law, ruleoflawradio.com, our very own network.
[59:23.720 --> 59:29.720]  Randy, we did it. Yes. Yes, we did it. We have our own network now.
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[01:00:49.720 --> 01:00:54.720]  We know the official story is impossible, so we set about scientifically
[01:00:54.720 --> 01:00:57.720]  to cover the hypothesis and then to test that.
[01:00:57.720 --> 01:01:03.720]  All right, we're just searching for the truth, because so far we've been truthless.
[01:01:03.720 --> 01:01:06.720]  Don't mean to be ruthless. I do.
[01:01:06.720 --> 01:01:11.720]  It wasn't a ten second free fall. That's what I saw. That's what you saw.
[01:01:11.720 --> 01:01:16.720]  That's what everybody saw. Ten second free fall.
[01:01:16.720 --> 01:01:23.720]  Official story don't make a lick of sense at all. It wasn't a ten second free fall.
[01:01:23.720 --> 01:01:26.720]  Clearly the buildings are brought down by controlled demolition.
[01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:28.720]  It was controlled demolition.
[01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:33.720]  Concrete into fundas. That's a hell of a transition.
[01:01:33.720 --> 01:01:35.720]  From controlled demolition.
[01:01:35.720 --> 01:01:40.720]  They believe in fairy tales and the 9-1-1 commission.
[01:01:40.720 --> 01:01:42.720]  But not controlled demolition.
[01:01:42.720 --> 01:01:45.720]  Well, I would just ignore that idiot.
[01:01:45.720 --> 01:01:50.720]  Ashes to ashes, concrete to dust. Twin towers fall down in front of us.
[01:01:50.720 --> 01:01:54.720]  In the building you see twin towers should have stood up and attacked easily.
[01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:59.720]  And Mr. Giuliani, man him a hurry. Hide the beam then destroy them quickly.
[01:01:59.720 --> 01:02:05.720]  Building seven men them done destroy. Hide the people then quickly.
[01:02:05.720 --> 01:02:09.720]  I am.
[01:02:09.720 --> 01:02:12.720]  We can see right through your tricks.
[01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:15.720]  We don't need to be a rocket scientist.
[01:02:15.720 --> 01:02:18.720]  You can't change the laws of physics.
[01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:20.720]  I don't need to be a rocket scientist.
[01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:24.720]  To see the ten second free fall.
[01:02:24.720 --> 01:02:28.720]  9-1-1 was an inside job. Period.
[01:02:28.720 --> 01:02:33.720]  Over five hundred almost six hundred architects and engineers now.
[01:02:33.720 --> 01:02:36.720]  Licensed. Degreed.
[01:02:36.720 --> 01:02:39.720]  Saying it was an inside job.
[01:02:39.720 --> 01:02:44.720]  We got to do something about it. That's why I got into legal reform to begin with.
[01:02:44.720 --> 01:02:48.720]  Take back the courts so that we can get rid of these criminals.
[01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:53.720]  Okay, we are talking with Kim and then we're going to go to Lisa.
[01:02:53.720 --> 01:03:00.720]  New caller. Okay, so Randy, finish up with your story so we can get to the rest of our callers so we don't make them wait forever.
[01:03:00.720 --> 01:03:04.720]  This literally may be the most powerful thing we can do.
[01:03:04.720 --> 01:03:08.720]  Is kick your own attorneys behind.
[01:03:08.720 --> 01:03:09.720]  I kind of like that idea really.
[01:03:09.720 --> 01:03:15.720]  When you start slamming him with his own professional requirements.
[01:03:15.720 --> 01:03:18.720]  It will hurt him badly.
[01:03:18.720 --> 01:03:22.720]  Bar grievances will hurt him more than anything else.
[01:03:22.720 --> 01:03:25.720]  Three bar grievances he can't get malpractice insurance.
[01:03:25.720 --> 01:03:28.720]  So he's going to run to the judge and ask to be removed from the case.
[01:03:28.720 --> 01:03:32.720]  And you're going to go object to the judge removing him from the case.
[01:03:32.720 --> 01:03:35.720]  Because you have a private contract with him and he's whining and crying.
[01:03:35.720 --> 01:03:38.720]  He just didn't want to do his job.
[01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:46.720]  So if the judge doesn't remove him from the case, he's going to tell the judge, this guy's filing a bar grievance against me every time I turn around.
[01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:49.720]  And now he's going to sue me for malpractice.
[01:03:49.720 --> 01:03:56.720]  Judge, I'm sorry, but I have to file these motions and I have to argue them.
[01:03:56.720 --> 01:04:00.720]  Because the judge would rather be out playing golf.
[01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:02.720]  And he's going to get ticked at this attorney.
[01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:06.720]  I sued Denton County for 11 million dollars, talked to 60 attorneys.
[01:04:06.720 --> 01:04:10.720]  The last one, I said, this is number 60, this is the last one I'm calling.
[01:04:10.720 --> 01:04:15.720]  He was the previous district attorney for Denton County, Jerry Cobb.
[01:04:15.720 --> 01:04:21.720]  I called him, I said, hello Mr. Cobb, my name is Randall Keltland and I have sued Denton County and I need an attorney to represent me.
[01:04:21.720 --> 01:04:24.720]  Oh yes, Mr. Keltland, I know all about that suit.
[01:04:24.720 --> 01:04:30.720]  I can't represent you. You're making allegations against judges in there and I have to represent clients in this county.
[01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:36.720]  I said, what's the matter, Jerry? You afraid them judges will screw your next client to get back at you?
[01:04:36.720 --> 01:04:42.720]  And he said what every other attorney did. You damn right they will.
[01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:48.720]  Now, whether that was true or not, he certainly believed it was.
[01:04:48.720 --> 01:04:52.720]  And he was not going to do anything to annoy that judge.
[01:04:52.720 --> 01:04:56.720]  So the only way, this is for the attorney.
[01:04:56.720 --> 01:04:58.720]  The controlling fear.
[01:04:58.720 --> 01:05:02.720]  Yeah, they want to be, they want to be the good guy. They want to fight for their clients.
[01:05:02.720 --> 01:05:08.720]  But they get out into this, when they get out of law school, get out in the real world, they find out it's not that way.
[01:05:08.720 --> 01:05:12.720]  That you're not going to be a Perry Mason and fight for your client.
[01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:16.720]  What you're going to do is you're going to kiss arrogant judges behind.
[01:05:16.720 --> 01:05:19.720]  Because if you don't, they'll screw you royal.
[01:05:19.720 --> 01:05:21.720]  You think they like that?
[01:05:21.720 --> 01:05:24.720]  Well, some of them do. They get lazy and they make a lot of money.
[01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:28.720]  In their heart, they want to be attorneys. So let's give them an opportunity.
[01:05:28.720 --> 01:05:32.720]  Let's give them plausible deniability.
[01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:35.720]  One more quick question. I'll let you get to another caller.
[01:05:35.720 --> 01:05:40.720]  On your advertisement, you're advertising Jurisdictionary.com.
[01:05:40.720 --> 01:05:45.720]  Is that legal procedures and paperwork for dummies?
[01:05:45.720 --> 01:05:47.720]  Exactly.
[01:05:47.720 --> 01:05:55.720]  Well, okay. Now, I accuse him of deliberately excluding attorneys because he wrote it for eighth graders.
[01:05:55.720 --> 01:06:05.720]  Now, the fact that he's an attorney, well, present company accepted.
[01:06:05.720 --> 01:06:09.720]  But yes, it's the basics. It is the place.
[01:06:09.720 --> 01:06:15.720]  When someone calls me in about one of their issues, I can tell if they've been through Jurisdictionary.
[01:06:15.720 --> 01:06:19.720]  They know the motions to file. They know how to file them, when to file them.
[01:06:19.720 --> 01:06:23.720]  They know the basic underlying details.
[01:06:23.720 --> 01:06:28.720]  Okay. Very good. Thank you all. You're incredible. Thank you very much for what you're doing.
[01:06:28.720 --> 01:06:31.720]  Thank you, Kim. Thank you. Okay.
[01:06:31.720 --> 01:06:36.720]  We are going to go now to Lisa in Texas.
[01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:41.720]  Lisa, thanks for calling in. New caller, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:06:41.720 --> 01:06:51.720]  Well, I just wanted to say that I'm so impressed by both of you and I've been listening since November.
[01:06:51.720 --> 01:06:53.720]  And I grew up in Amarillo.
[01:06:53.720 --> 01:06:54.720]  Oh.
[01:06:54.720 --> 01:06:59.720]  I live in Austin now, but I grew up in Amarillo. So I had to call in.
[01:06:59.720 --> 01:07:15.720]  Well, good. And I'm glad I qualified because of all of the places I've been, it is seldom that I have ever been treated with as much deference as I was there.
[01:07:15.720 --> 01:07:24.720]  It seemed to hurt their feelings that more than anything, more than make them mad because I was giving them a hard time.
[01:07:24.720 --> 01:07:29.720]  I got the impression they really did want to be the good guys.
[01:07:29.720 --> 01:07:38.720]  I think for the most part, people in Amarillo, of course, it's really weird because Amarillo is divided between two counties, Randall and Potter.
[01:07:38.720 --> 01:07:44.720]  In Randall County, the courthouse is in Canyon, Texas.
[01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:50.720]  And in Potter County, it's in the downtown area of Amarillo, so it's kind of odd.
[01:07:50.720 --> 01:07:55.720]  But for the most part, that whole area, it's a very small town. It's very isolated.
[01:07:55.720 --> 01:08:03.720]  But people are basically really nice people, but it's still, it is the most good old boy area.
[01:08:03.720 --> 01:08:05.720]  I mean, it is the worst, I think.
[01:08:05.720 --> 01:08:12.720]  I went through a horrible case of when my parents died of dealing with attorneys there.
[01:08:12.720 --> 01:08:14.720]  I fired three of them.
[01:08:14.720 --> 01:08:22.720]  You know, it's always, once you've listened to this for a while, you won't have to fire so many attorneys.
[01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:29.720]  You may have a hard time hiring them in the first place, but when you get them, you can get them to do their job.
[01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:37.720]  I got the Juris Dictionary because of you guys. I just got it. I've been listening.
[01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:44.720]  I tell everyone I know about your show. I think it's amazing because I've been through so much.
[01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:52.720]  I spent four and a half years fighting the attorneys in Amarillo after my parents died, and I ended up...
[01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:59.720]  It was a nightmare from an attorney in Amarillo that absolutely took over the control of my elderly father.
[01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:06.720]  I was an only child. I never got to see my dad again. He was buried without my knowing it.
[01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:15.720]  It was a horrible situation, and I could not get any attorney in Amarillo to do their job or to help me.
[01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.720]  It was as if everybody was in cahoots with each other.
[01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:23.720]  That's exactly what I find everywhere.
[01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:34.720]  And I hated it. But first of all, I was in horrible grief, and then second, I had no idea about the law.
[01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:40.720]  And you feel very intimidated, and it was the worst feeling in the world.
[01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:47.720]  We're trying hard to turn that around and to give, to re-empower people.
[01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:52.720]  Because the one thing knowing the law will do is give you empowerment.
[01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:59.720]  Absolutely, and that's why I can't say enough about what you guys are doing. I mean it.
[01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:04.720]  I know from the bottom of my heart, it was a gut-riching thing to go through.
[01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:11.720]  And I moved to Austin because I went to the university here, so I moved back after my mother's death.
[01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:18.720]  And the attorney that I ended up hiring in Austin, he did not even help me and do the best job.
[01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:21.720]  I did the majority of the work for him.
[01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:37.720]  And I spent, it would blow someone's mind, $70,000 plus in four and a half years fighting to try to get something accomplished.
[01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:46.720]  The only thing I did was to get the attorney that originally was controlling my dad fired by someone else.
[01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:52.720]  But then they forced me into signing paperwork that I would never dispute the will.
[01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:58.720]  And I was so tired and so running out of money, I gave in.
[01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:09.720]  That's what they count on. They get an estate, and it is their intent to swallow the estate.
[01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:16.720]  And we hope to get people knowledgeable enough that they can swallow the attorney instead.
[01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:22.720]  And I thank you for that. The only reason I wanted to call in is just to say, you know, I'm from that podunk.
[01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:30.720]  I was laughing when Debra was talking about Amarillo because I was going, oh yeah, she's got it perfect.
[01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.720]  It's my town, but...
[01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:40.720]  And look, no offense to people in Amarillo, really. I've been through there many times.
[01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:47.720]  Like I said, being on the road with the band and being on tour, we go through there constantly on the way to Denver and everything.
[01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:53.720]  And it's a fine town, but I mean, you know, come on, it's like it's podunk.
[01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.720]  I mean, there's a lot of podunk places, but everybody that I've ever met in Amarillo is very, very nice.
[01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:06.720]  And actually, I know some very talented musicians from Amarillo, so nothing against Amarillo at all.
[01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:10.720]  And I know a real annoyed prosecutor in Amarillo.
[01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:19.720]  It is a nice town. I grew up there. I don't want to knock it, but Debra kind of nailed it.
[01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.720]  Amarillo, good morning.
[01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:24.720]  Thank you very much for calling.
[01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:26.720]  Thank you, Lisa.
[01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:28.720]  Thanks, bye.
[01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:30.720]  All right.
[01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:32.720]  Gail, call back.
[01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.720]  All right, we've got Travis.
[01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:36.720]  Hello.
[01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:37.720]  Hey, Travis.
[01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:41.720]  I was just kidding about blowing you off, Travis.
[01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:44.720]  What's on your mind, Travis?
[01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:53.720]  Well, going back to what I was talking about last night, the name being spelled in upper and lowercase upon my request,
[01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:58.720]  it would seem that that might not be significant at all times.
[01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:03.720]  I was wondering if it's ever significant. I keep hearing people mention it.
[01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:08.720]  I thought I heard someone mention it on the 6th to 8th show.
[01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:10.720]  Yeah, I heard you on that show.
[01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:12.720]  At 10 to 21.
[01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:15.720]  Yeah, I heard you on there.
[01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:21.720]  There are things about it that's not what we generally go into,
[01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.720]  but I can address it somewhat.
[01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.720]  What they're saying is, is this goes to Ms. Nomer.
[01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:35.720]  You know, if they're wanting to file a charge against me and they call me Debra Stevens,
[01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:38.720]  I'm going to say, wait a minute, guys. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:41.720]  Wrong name.
[01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.720]  I have a son that's named Randall Kelton.
[01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:52.720]  If they file against me and he's the one did it, I'm going to say, wrong name, guys.
[01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:57.720]  If you're going to take an action, you have to take it against the right person.
[01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:07.720]  So what they're saying is, is what you're saying is they're going after the corporate fiction.
[01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:13.720]  And for those who are not familiar with the corporate fiction, it's somewhat complex how they get there.
[01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:20.720]  But all you're telling the court is, tell these guys to sue me in my personal name.
[01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:24.720]  And my personal name is indicated by upper and lower case.
[01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:28.720]  But from what I understand of the research, and this is not my field,
[01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:35.720]  so I'm not as up on it as I need to be, is that the courts can only sue you in your corporate capacity.
[01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:41.720]  They can't get to you in the upper and lower case, so they're not allowed to do that.
[01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.720]  Are criminal charges the same as suing?
[01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:45.720]  Yes.
[01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:46.720]  No.
[01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:47.720]  Yes.
[01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.720]  Criminal charges and suing are not the same thing.
[01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:53.720]  From this regard, yes.
[01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:57.720]  It's petitioning the court for redress of grievance.
[01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:03.720]  The state in this case is petitioning the court for redress of grievance against the state.
[01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:07.720]  And that has special rules, criminal rules.
[01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:12.720]  Sure, I told the prosecutor I wanted the representation of me fixed,
[01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:21.720]  and he went ahead and had the clerk do it how I told him I wanted it, with the correct capitalization.
[01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:28.720]  Texas has passed special statute authorizing the courts to do that.
[01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.720]  This was in Minnesota.
[01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:31.720]  Oh, Minnesota.
[01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:38.720]  Texas, okay, maybe he can, you know, maybe they have statutory law there that allows them to.
[01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:42.720]  But Texas passed a statute allowing him to do that.
[01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:44.720]  And it's not a big deal.
[01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:48.720]  I mean, why is that hard for him?
[01:15:48.720 --> 01:16:01.720]  So there was one other thing I wanted to bring up that in an order by a judge that I could pay some bail,
[01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:09.720]  he slipped in a provision that I couldn't possess a weapon, and I had a public defender at that moment.
[01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:14.720]  So I got out of court, looked at it, noticed that on there,
[01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:18.720]  told the public defender I needed to go back and talk to the judge.
[01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:20.720]  So we went in there.
[01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:27.720]  The public defender didn't give the judge the information that I had provided to the public defender.
[01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:29.720]  That was what I thought should be passed down.
[01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:30.720]  He didn't do that.
[01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:32.720]  Yeah, he's never going to work in your favor.
[01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:34.720]  They just won't.
[01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:35.720]  We'll be right back.
[01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:37.720]  Yeah, hold on, Travis.
[01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:39.720]  We'll address this on the other side.
[01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:40.720]  Thanks.
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[01:18:46.720 --> 01:19:07.720]  Everybody needs somebody to depend on, help your sister to stand alone.
[01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:12.720]  So now your money got me into the poorhouse.
[01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:17.720]  Isn't it funny, the water, water everywhere.
[01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:23.720]  Not much for drinking, and it got me to thinking.
[01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:29.720]  Plenty for bombers, but not a dollar to spare.
[01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:40.720]  Everybody needs somebody to depend on, help your brother to stand alone.
[01:19:40.720 --> 01:20:01.720]  Everybody needs somebody to depend on, help your sister to stand alone.
[01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:12.720]  Stand alone, your best to stand alone, stand alone, your best to stand alone.
[01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:33.720]  Stand alone, your best to stand alone, stand alone, your best to stand alone.
[01:20:33.720 --> 01:21:00.720]  Stand alone, your best to stand alone, stand alone, your best to stand alone.
[01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:15.720]  Stand alone, your best to stand alone, stand alone, your best to stand alone.
[01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:21.720]  So now your lawyers, you got me into the courthouse.
[01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:26.720]  Whole lot of jargon, when common sense I do fine.
[01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:31.720]  And when you ask me about the freedom for the people.
[01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:37.720]  Each one must look toward the heart, even truly for a sign.
[01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:48.720]  Everybody needs somebody to depend on, help your brother to stand alone.
[01:21:48.720 --> 01:22:08.720]  Everybody needs somebody to depend on, help your sister to stand alone.
[01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:21.720]  All right, we are back the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, some route one music for y'all. Jerry Stevens, my husband, stand alone.
[01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:30.720]  I love that line, Randy, where, you know, so now your lawyers got me into the courthouse.
[01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:37.720]  Whole lot of jargon, when common sense would do fine.
[01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:43.720]  Going back to what Ken Magnuson was talking about last night, most of what he was saying didn't even have anything to do with law at all.
[01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:45.720]  Had to do with common sense.
[01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:52.720]  Okay, so words of wisdom from Jerry Stevens, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton and Professor Ken Magnuson.
[01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:56.720]  All right, we are speaking right now with Travis in Minnesota.
[01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:02.720]  So, okay, Travis, go ahead. You were about to make a point right before we went to break.
[01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:09.720]  So one thing is I'm looking for some people in Minnesota with knowledge of law, professional or otherwise.
[01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:18.720]  I don't want that to be left out, but the public defender didn't give the information to the judge like I told them.
[01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:28.720]  The judge denied revising the no weapons order. I'm not up for any weapons related case at all. Never have been.
[01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:36.720]  And I asked if I could say something. The judge said, sure. The public defender is trying to shut me up.
[01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:42.720]  I'm back in the watching area.
[01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:51.720]  And after I explained myself, the judge says, oh, that's reasonable and makes an amendment to his order,
[01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:57.720]  which he needs the paper from before a public defender snatches it from me, gives it to the judge, brings it back.
[01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:03.720]  Almost throws it at me when he gives it to me.
[01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:11.720]  You talk to that public offender and you tell him, you jackass, you pull any crap on me like that again,
[01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:18.720]  and I'll stuff so many bar grievances down your throat, you'll do nothing but flip hamburgers. That will stop it.
[01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:25.720]  Well, I said as the judge went on to go on to the other person's case and the public defender was almost through the door out of the courtroom,
[01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:35.720]  I said, I'd like to fire him and the public defender whirled around pretty quick and came back,
[01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:48.720]  stood next to me and the judge said that I just earned a couple of points because that was one of the best lawyers around.
[01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:57.720]  And that if I wanted to fire him, I'd have to wait till I came back to court in March for now denied.
[01:24:57.720 --> 01:24:58.720]  What?
[01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:01.720]  That was good. The judge did good.
[01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:04.720]  Why should he have to wait to fire his attorney?
[01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:09.720]  I don't know, but what the judge did was be a good mediator.
[01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:19.720]  You just stung that attorney good and the judge forced the attorney to stay on your case because he knew what the attorney was going to do.
[01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:26.720]  The attorney good was going to want off the case immediately because it looks like he's going to actually have to work because you're going to make him
[01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:30.720]  because you're not going to be one of these clients that just lay down and roll over for him.
[01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:34.720]  That's amazing, Randy. The judge forced the attorney to stay on the case.
[01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:37.720]  Yeah, you may actually have a real judge there.
[01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:41.720]  Wow, Travis. Yeah.
[01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.720]  Generally, they're all buddies with each other.
[01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:51.720]  Generally, if the attorney wants off the case, the judge will just say, okay, you're off the case.
[01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:57.720]  Even if it's, you know, illegal for the judge to do that, he'll just do it anyway.
[01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:00.720]  But that's something else that he made him stay on the case.
[01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:09.720]  Well, he didn't stop you from firing him. He just said you'd have to do it when you come back and that's okay.
[01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:11.720]  I thought that sounded well done.
[01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:19.720]  Well, in the meantime, if I needed to do something or get something done and the public defender wouldn't do it, I wouldn't be able to do it because I wouldn't be the one.
[01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:20.720]  Okay, listen.
[01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:23.720]  Oh, that's what I was asking Randy before the last break.
[01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:28.720]  How do you make your attorney file and argue motions and pleadings when they don't want to?
[01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:30.720]  Ask your attorney.
[01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:36.720]  How do you go about filing a bar grievance?
[01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:37.720]  Oh, boy.
[01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:40.720]  Can you help me fill out this bar grievance against you?
[01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:42.720]  Yes.
[01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:43.720]  What's your bar card number?
[01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:45.720]  I need it on this bar grievance.
[01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:47.720]  Can you sign on the dotted line, please?
[01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:49.720]  I'm telling you, Travis.
[01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:50.720]  That's hilarious.
[01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:52.720]  That is his weak underbelly.
[01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:55.720]  You start talking bar grievance to him.
[01:26:55.720 --> 01:27:02.720]  He's going to want off your case super fast and you go to the judge and tell the judge you don't want him off your case.
[01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:04.720]  He's the best lawyer around.
[01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:09.720]  He's to adjudicate my case and if he doesn't, I'll crucify him.
[01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:14.720]  Three bar grievances and he can't get malpractice insurance.
[01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:15.720]  A public defender?
[01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:16.720]  Any attorney.
[01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:18.720]  Oh, no, he's not just a public defender.
[01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:22.720]  Well, he's a public defender, but he's an attorney in practice.
[01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:23.720]  Any attorney?
[01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:27.720]  He can't practice law without malpractice insurance.
[01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:29.720]  Or without a bar card.
[01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:38.720]  If he can't get malpractice insurance, he'll have to go to work for another law firm and work under their malpractice insurance.
[01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:40.720]  Or for Applebee's.
[01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:48.720]  But if he's got three bar grievances against him, the other firm is not going to hire him because the insurance company will cancel their insurance.
[01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:50.720]  Risk.
[01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:51.720]  He's got a problem.
[01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:54.720]  That is his weakness.
[01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:59.720]  It may well be that the most important way, you know, we've been going after judges.
[01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.720]  And that may not really be the best approach.
[01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:04.720]  The best approach may be going after attorneys.
[01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:06.720]  I say go after all of them.
[01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:07.720]  Yeah.
[01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:11.720]  Well, we'll go after all of them, but you can beat up your attorney.
[01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:15.720]  And he's going to run to the judge and cry to get removed from the case.
[01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:24.720]  And you can tell the judge, you can remove him, judge, but I'm going to object to it and I'll consider that interfering with a private contract.
[01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:30.720]  And this will be a decision for which you have no immunity from civil suit.
[01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:34.720]  That would be an administrative decision.
[01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:38.720]  So what do you want to do now, Bubba?
[01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:49.720]  Couldn't I frame an appeal on that judicial decision of the judge to postpone firing that guy because he doesn't decide who I hire and fire and when?
[01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:53.720]  No, no, he didn't stop you from firing him.
[01:28:53.720 --> 01:28:56.720]  He just asked you to do it at the next hearing.
[01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:59.720]  And that was appropriate because you didn't have a motion before the court.
[01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:00.720]  Well, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:09.720]  I thought Travis said that the judge said that he had to wait till the next hearing in order to fire the attorney.
[01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:11.720]  He didn't have a motion before the court.
[01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:13.720]  He's asking the judge to fire him.
[01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:16.720]  The judge can't do anything without a motion asking him to.
[01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:17.720]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:18.720]  He's asking the judge to fire him.
[01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.720]  Why can't Travis just fire him himself?
[01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:22.720]  Travis can fire him.
[01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.720]  I did. I said I'd like to fire him.
[01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:30.720]  And the judge said you had to wait?
[01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:36.720]  Well, you can just tell the attorney you're fired, get lost.
[01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:39.720]  But I'd suggest not doing that.
[01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:40.720]  He got his attention.
[01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:42.720]  Hold his feet to the fire.
[01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:46.720]  Yeah, you got his attention now and he's been paid to do this job.
[01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:47.720]  Make him work.
[01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:49.720]  That's a lot more.
[01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:51.720]  You're just going to get another attorney who's going to be worse.
[01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:55.720]  No, I need counsel for something else in another county.
[01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:02.720]  So I need to get some kind of reference here in Minnesota.
[01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:07.720]  If you need counsel in another attorney and you file bar grievances against this one, nobody will represent you.
[01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:11.720]  And you'll have to go to the court and make them appoint you someone.
[01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:12.720]  Oh, boy.
[01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:17.720]  I'm not going to file anything against anyone right now.
[01:30:17.720 --> 01:30:23.720]  Okay, then you take what they'll give you.
[01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:26.720]  No, I mean, I want to buy an attorney.
[01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:28.720]  Won't help.
[01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:30.720]  For something?
[01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:32.720]  Won't help you.
[01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:34.720]  Is it a criminal matter?
[01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:35.720]  Yeah.
[01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:37.720]  He's going to screw you.
[01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:40.720]  A PD would be better?
[01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:41.720]  It makes no difference.
[01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:44.720]  They both be the same.
[01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:49.720]  Neither one of them is going to do anything to annoy the judge.
[01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:52.720]  Well, Randy, what should Travis do then?
[01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:57.720]  Because you're saying, at least it sounds to me like what you're saying.
[01:30:57.720 --> 01:31:06.720]  If he files bar grievances and stuff like that against this public defender, then he's going to stir up the hornet's nest.
[01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:12.720]  And then no other attorney is going to want to represent him out of fear that they'll suffer the same fate.
[01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:14.720]  So what should Travis do?
[01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:17.720]  Force the court to appoint an attorney.
[01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:18.720]  It doesn't matter.
[01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:21.720]  If attorneys, you have a right to counsel of choice.
[01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:29.720]  If you can't get an attorney in a jurisdiction, you just go to the court and ask them to appoint you one.
[01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:34.720]  Well, their appointed attorney won't help me because he's getting paid by the wrong side.
[01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:35.720]  No, no.
[01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:38.720]  There's two ways to get a counsel appointed.
[01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:42.720]  One, if you're indigent.
[01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:47.720]  Two, if you're not indigent, you can afford an attorney, but none will represent you.
[01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:50.720]  But you have to show proof that you've been denied.
[01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:52.720]  That's easy enough.
[01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:55.720]  How many do I have to show denial for?
[01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:57.720]  It's dependent on your state. You have to look it up.
[01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:01.720]  Just call four or five of them.
[01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:07.720]  I think in Texas it's two, but you have to look it up in your state.
[01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:12.720]  If you can't get an attorney, you can force the court to appoint you one.
[01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:18.720]  And they won't have a problem with that because the last thing they want is a pro se litigant in their court.
[01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:20.720]  Yeah, they'll throw attorneys at you.
[01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:23.720]  Yeah, they want an attorney they think they can control.
[01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:25.720]  That's how pro se was the way to go.
[01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:27.720]  No.
[01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:31.720]  Everybody pro se is getting clobbered until we get the courts back.
[01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:38.720]  Now, if you want to go pro se, you got to go to work and you got to learn the law surrounding your case.
[01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:42.720]  Most pro se's just don't have time.
[01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:46.720]  And you go into court and you get clobbered.
[01:32:46.720 --> 01:32:52.720]  I am really concerned about this pro se thing, Randy, because, you know,
[01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:58.720]  listening to Tony Davis talk about what's going on in the federal court system.
[01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:09.720]  Okay, you had a clerk of a court, Fifth Circuit Court, committed suicide, okay,
[01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:18.720]  because the judge ordered him for years and years and years to just stamp,
[01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:26.720]  deny, deny, denied for every pleading any pro se litigant would file and didn't even read it.
[01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:28.720]  The judge didn't even read it.
[01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:30.720]  It was a matter of course, a matter of policy.
[01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:32.720]  It was pro se stamped denied.
[01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:43.720]  And this guy, this clerk was so upset about it over the years, committed suicide over it.
[01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:46.720]  Yes, he was a clerk for 20 years.
[01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:47.720]  20 years.
[01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:50.720]  And he left a suicide note in the courthouse.
[01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:53.720]  I can't remember if he actually committed suicide in the court.
[01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:55.720]  I think he committed suicide in the court.
[01:33:55.720 --> 01:34:05.720]  He was so distraught over this and what he had done and how he had participated in denying all these people their rights over all the years.
[01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:16.720]  And then the judge secreted it away and tried to hide the suicide note before the police arrived for the investigation
[01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:22.720]  because the suicide note implicated the judge that that was the reason why he did this.
[01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:30.720]  So, I mean, when I found that out, when I heard about that and seeing what's going on, not just at the federal but the state level too,
[01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:36.720]  it's not right, but they are clobbering pro se litigants.
[01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:40.720]  I've seen it in family courts and custody cases and stuff.
[01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:42.720]  It's horrible.
[01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:52.720]  It is horrible. So, the thing that I think we need to do is you do your homework, write up your own motions and pleadings
[01:34:52.720 --> 01:35:01.720]  as if you were going at this pro se, know what you're doing, prepare everything as if you were pro se,
[01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:09.720]  and then you make your lawyer file whatever papers you want.
[01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:14.720]  That's the way because you've got to direct the show because it's your case, right, Randy?
[01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:18.720]  Right. And go after the judge and your attorney.
[01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:23.720]  If your attorney fails to do what you direct him to do, he works for you.
[01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:27.720]  Bob Bargreaves is against him. He's going to say, I'm the one running this case.
[01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:32.720]  Yeah, you are, bubba. You're running it on my dime.
[01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:39.720]  What about, instead of hiring a lawyer to represent you, giving him signing over power of attorney and all that,
[01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:44.720]  what about having a lawyer, bringing a lawyer to be assistance of counsel?
[01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:46.720]  Is that the same thing as pro se?
[01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:50.720]  No. I have a motion for that effect.
[01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:53.720]  Would that be better than having a lawyer represent you?
[01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:59.720]  Yeah, then your attorney becomes standby. He's there to advise you.
[01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:03.720]  The court would not treat that the same as a pro se?
[01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:05.720]  No.
[01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:09.720]  Okay, so Randy, what's the advantages? What's the disadvantages?
[01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:18.720]  How would somebody know whether to have an attorney represent them versus have an attorney be assistance of counsel?
[01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:25.720]  Well, if the attorney is your brother-in-law and he owes you a lot of money,
[01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:30.720]  and you agree to cancel the debt if he gets you off of this, you may be able to trust your attorney.
[01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:31.720]  To represent.
[01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:35.720]  But almost never can you trust your attorney because he has other issues.
[01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.720]  He's more afraid of the judge than he is of you.
[01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:41.720]  The only way you're going to be able to trust your attorney is give him plausible deniability.
[01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:45.720]  It doesn't matter if he's court appointed or if you've hired him.
[01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:52.720]  Is the court going to sneer or raise a hairy eyebrow that you've taken on an attorney as assistance of counsel
[01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:56.720]  versus representing?
[01:36:56.720 --> 01:37:04.720]  Yes, he is. But the only way we're going to start winning is to not only hold your attorney's feet to the fire,
[01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:06.720]  but hold the judge's.
[01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:15.720]  If you file a motion with the court and the court doesn't consider every matter listed in the motion,
[01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:22.720]  you file criminal charges against the judge, you counter sue the judge in the case that you're in,
[01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:26.720]  and have him removed from the case because you sued him,
[01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:31.720]  force them to get another judge and say, it's your turn, judge. You want to not do your job?
[01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:36.720]  You want to commit malfeasance in office by refusing to address every issue in the case?
[01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:39.720]  That's your call. But I get to sue you personally.
[01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:44.720]  Until we start taking these judges on and stop treating them like they're some kind of godhead,
[01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:49.720]  they're going to keep doing that. Judges will do anything they can get away with.
[01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:54.720]  When they feel like you're going to kick them in the teeth, they're going to get more careful,
[01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:58.720]  especially if they feel like you're setting them up.
[01:37:58.720 --> 01:38:01.720]  And that's what I like to do.
[01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:04.720]  All right, Travis, do we answer your question?
[01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:10.720]  Yeah. Yeah. But as far as finding...
[01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.720]  If you're looking for a counsel who's going to take care of you?
[01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:15.720]  Not going to happen.
[01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:16.720]  Not going to happen.
[01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:17.720]  Not going to happen.
[01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:19.720]  I'm sorry it's that way.
[01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:28.720]  The last thing any attorney wants to do is fight for your rights and actually take care of you.
[01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:38.720]  What they are mostly concerned about is the judge not ending their career and not getting sued.
[01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:42.720]  I know for a fact. I've talked to attorneys. I've seen it over and over.
[01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:48.720]  And my sister is an MD. She's a doctor. She is an MD.
[01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:58.720]  And I was totally distraught when I found out the truth of the medical profession, Western medicine,
[01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:05.720]  in this country. We have very substandard medical care in this country.
[01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:09.720]  It's basically like third world around here compared to Europe and other countries.
[01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:15.720]  But anyway, the point is doctors here, the last thing they are concerned with
[01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:18.720]  is actually taking care of their patients.
[01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:24.720]  What they are really concerned about more than anything is not getting sued.
[01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:32.720]  Every single decision that Western medical doctors make in this country today,
[01:39:32.720 --> 01:39:39.720]  every single decision they make is based on whether or not they will get sued.
[01:39:39.720 --> 01:39:42.720]  And with lawyers, it's the same thing.
[01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:46.720]  And that's just the facts. That is the truth.
[01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:48.720]  You're not going to find an attorney who's going to fight for your rights.
[01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:50.720]  This ain't going to happen.
[01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:57.720]  You've got to prepare your case yourself and force these attorneys to argue and file the motions
[01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:04.720]  and turn the screws on them with threats of bar grievances and malpractice suits and whatever else.
[01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:09.720]  Unfortunately, in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to do that.
[01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:11.720]  But it's not a perfect world.
[01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:18.720]  And we've let the legal system get so out of hand, you simply cannot find justice in it.
[01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:20.720]  You have to create justice.
[01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:29.720]  Yes. And hopefully, being a libertarian as I am, hopefully we can get to the point in our legal system
[01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:35.720]  where there's no such thing as bar cards anymore and having to be a member of the bar.
[01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:41.720]  I mean, the Bar Association is a private club, okay?
[01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:48.720]  And the legislatures of the states have basically enacted law that says
[01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:58.720]  you have to be a card-carrying member of this private organization in order to be a quote-unquote attorney.
[01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:02.720]  There's no such thing as a licensed attorney, okay?
[01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:05.720]  And I know I said that on the ad, on the jurisdictionary.
[01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:10.720]  Okay, that was kind of a nomenclature, okay?
[01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:13.720]  A cliché, okay, talk.
[01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:17.720]  But there is no such thing as a licensed attorney, okay?
[01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:20.720]  Attorneys carry bar cards.
[01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:25.720]  And you have to be a member of this private organization in order to quote-unquote practice law.
[01:41:25.720 --> 01:41:27.720]  And it's stupid, okay?
[01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:30.720]  I don't believe in government regulation at all.
[01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:35.720]  I think that the free market is the best regulation there is.
[01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:37.720]  But I mean, we have to deal with the system that we have right now.
[01:41:37.720 --> 01:41:39.720]  And that's just the way it is.
[01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:44.720]  So anyway, Travis, you've just got to do your homework.
[01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:48.720]  And make your attorney do what you want him to do.
[01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:52.720]  Get jurisdictionary, listen to us, listen to Tony.
[01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:55.720]  You'll get lots of tools you can use.
[01:41:55.720 --> 01:41:58.720]  How about how do I write out the assistance and counsel document?
[01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:00.720]  Do you have that posted on your website?
[01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:07.720]  Send me an email at randy at ruleoflawradio.com, and I will send you a copy.
[01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:08.720]  Okay, thank you.
[01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:09.720]  All right, thank you, Travis.
[01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:11.720]  All right, we're going to move on now.
[01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:14.720]  We've got a lot of callers on the bridge here.
[01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:15.720]  Gail's back up.
[01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:16.720]  Okay, Gail.
[01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:22.720]  All right, we've got Jeff, John, Mike, Jim, Russell, Gail.
[01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:24.720]  Okay, you want to go to Gail?
[01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:25.720]  Yes.
[01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:26.720]  Okay, we're going to go to Gail.
[01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:27.720]  Okay, Gail, thanks for calling in.
[01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:28.720]  What's going on?
[01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:29.720]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:30.720]  What's the update?
[01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:32.720]  Hey, bless your heart.
[01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:33.720]  So good to hear you.
[01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:38.720]  Update, update is my attorney has been non-existent,
[01:42:38.720 --> 01:42:43.720]  so it's been really interesting hearing what you guys have to say about attorneys.
[01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:46.720]  It's, you know, very much happening to me.
[01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:54.720]  I'm losing them like flies, and I couldn't get the co-counsel that you sent me before opened.
[01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:56.720]  Randy, it kept dumping.
[01:42:56.720 --> 01:43:00.720]  So I was going to send you an email to ask you to send it again.
[01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:04.720]  I don't know if it just came through bad or something.
[01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:08.720]  Okay, put the subject line in all caps.
[01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:09.720]  Okay.
[01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:10.720]  I get lots of emails.
[01:43:10.720 --> 01:43:12.720]  I might have missed it.
[01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:13.720]  I'll do that.
[01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:26.720]  And meanwhile, another thing that needs to happen is the trial is set for May,
[01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:36.720]  the first week in May, and the problem is the attorney hasn't been around at all,
[01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:40.720]  so nothing has been done.
[01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:44.720]  Then I suggest file a bar grievance against him.
[01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:45.720]  Okay.
[01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:50.720]  I just sent him, I just put together a letter today warning him that if he, you know,
[01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.720]  he hasn't even been answering my phone calls or my emails,
[01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:58.720]  and he agreed to a second custody evaluation when it took two and a half years
[01:43:58.720 --> 01:44:04.720]  to get the first custody evaluation done, and my husband fought it every step of the way,
[01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:08.720]  and he said he didn't have the money, A, B, C, D.
[01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:17.720]  Meanwhile, my attorney agreed to a second custody evaluation without even asking me,
[01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:22.720]  or including me, let alone getting my permission.
[01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:24.720]  So I do want to file bar grievances.
[01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:25.720]  I'm concerned.
[01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:30.720]  I want to file criminal charges against the judge, but I've got the custody.
[01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:32.720]  I mean, like, he's holding my custody.
[01:44:32.720 --> 01:44:35.720]  The judge has been screwing you.
[01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:36.720]  Yes, he has.
[01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:38.720]  Every step of the way.
[01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:39.720]  File on the jerk.
[01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:42.720]  Get him thrown off the case.
[01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:44.720]  Oh, I was told he can't get thrown off the case.
[01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:47.720]  Of course he can get thrown off the case.
[01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:50.720]  If you file criminal charges against him, he's history.
[01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:52.720]  He's not allowed to sit on the case.
[01:44:52.720 --> 01:45:00.720]  If you counter sue the judge for acting in violation of law, he's gone.
[01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:05.720]  He's disqualified as a matter of law.
[01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:07.720]  Counter sue judge for acting in what?
[01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:08.720]  For failing.
[01:45:08.720 --> 01:45:14.720]  If he didn't read, if he didn't address every issue in all of your motions,
[01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:19.720]  accuse him of not reading the motion, he has to address every issue in the motion.
[01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:24.720]  If he doesn't, he's denied due process, and that's a crime.
[01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:31.720]  Okay, because one of the things he did at one time is he said all the rest of the motions are dismissed.
[01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:37.720]  I mean, like, he didn't address each one individually, and he didn't, you know, he just...
[01:45:37.720 --> 01:45:44.720]  File a judicial conduct complaint on each one and a criminal complaint on each one, and then...
[01:45:44.720 --> 01:45:45.720]  Each one he didn't address?
[01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:50.720]  Yeah, and then file a countersuit in the case that's going on.
[01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:53.720]  This judge is screwing you at every turn.
[01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:54.720]  Okay, I'm...
[01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:56.720]  You got nothing to lose here.
[01:45:56.720 --> 01:46:05.720]  If you get this judge in a position to where he has to hire counsel to represent himself out of his pocket,
[01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:10.720]  and then you're filing criminal charges against him, it'll be hard to get the criminal charges adjudicated,
[01:46:10.720 --> 01:46:15.720]  but if you look at Constitution, if there's something...
[01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:24.720]  If your Constitution calls a violation of due... addresses violations of due process,
[01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:27.720]  if it says you have a right to it, then he's...
[01:46:27.720 --> 01:46:29.720]  I'm thinking while I'm talking.
[01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:35.720]  If he denied you due process, you could file in the federal court.
[01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:36.720]  Take it out of his hands.
[01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:37.720]  Federal court.
[01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:46.720]  From what I've seen, Florida may be the most corrupt state in the country, but I think Minnesota's close behind.
[01:46:46.720 --> 01:46:50.720]  So get him out of Minnesota, get him in the federal.
[01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:54.720]  Okay, so file... Okay.
[01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:56.720]  At least look at it.
[01:46:56.720 --> 01:47:04.720]  I know I've got him onto the stuff because I know that it was against the law for him to take my gun,
[01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:07.720]  for forcing me to turn my guns over to my husband, correct?
[01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:10.720]  Because they were mine, they were not his, and the judge had no...
[01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:13.720]  He had no evidence they were my husband's.
[01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:17.720]  He didn't ask for serial numbers, registration number, or anything else.
[01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:20.720]  So he was...
[01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:22.720]  Charge him with theft.
[01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:31.720]  Okay, and he also wrote a court order that I had to sign the tax return with my husband, which I refused to do.
[01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:36.720]  But the IRS told me that that was against the law, that you can't be ordered.
[01:47:36.720 --> 01:47:41.720]  No one can be ordered to file a tax return because I'm liable for whatever I sign.
[01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:43.720]  So I know those are criminal, I think.
[01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:53.720]  Good. If you're trying to get the case adjudicated first, make up all the accusations and put them in a motion to recuse.
[01:47:53.720 --> 01:48:05.720]  So this gives you an opportunity to tell the judge, these are the things I'm going to do to you for screwing me around if you don't get your act straight.
[01:48:05.720 --> 01:48:11.720]  He has an opportunity to recuse himself. If he doesn't, he has been warned.
[01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:18.720]  Okay, so I make up all the criminal allegations and then I put them in a motion to recuse.
[01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:24.720]  Yes. And find every single one that you can.
[01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:30.720]  Go through what he's done meticulously. Find every little twist and turn.
[01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:36.720]  So only one motion to recuse, but every criminal allegation is listed in that one motion.
[01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:46.720]  Yes. And, you know, I did this. I sued my local sheriff once, and an attorney friend of mine looked at it and he said,
[01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:51.720]  Holy mackerel, you put everything in there but the kitchen sink. I said, yes, I did.
[01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:59.720]  And he said, well, if you throw enough up against the wall, something's going to stick.
[01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:09.720]  And if the judge looks at enough of these and if you cloak them in terms of federal constitutional violations,
[01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:16.720]  that's fair warning to the judge that I'm going to pull you out of this jurisdiction and take you to the federal courts
[01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:23.720]  and we will see what they think of what you're doing. And right now, everybody's worried about the federal.
[01:49:23.720 --> 01:49:29.720]  New administration's just taken over. All the U.S. attorneys have to tender their resignations.
[01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:35.720]  The new administration decides whether or not to accept those resignations.
[01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:40.720]  Nobody wants anything ugly coming down on their heads right now.
[01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:45.720]  The new administration is going to want to appoint its own judges.
[01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:51.720]  But how are you going to appoint judges when all the benches are filled?
[01:49:51.720 --> 01:49:56.720]  So the federal judges are concerned as well.
[01:49:56.720 --> 01:50:03.720]  They're going to make this local judge real nervous when he has to look at the federal courts right now.
[01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:11.720]  So rather than if you want this case adjudicated, then rather than file all the complaints against him right now,
[01:50:11.720 --> 01:50:17.720]  give him fair warning. And the fair warning hurts him.
[01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:27.720]  Because if you have to go after him later, you can demonstrate that you have exercised your remedies at law
[01:50:27.720 --> 01:50:36.720]  in trying to handle these issues before you file suit or criminal charges and the judge refused to act on them
[01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:45.720]  because he had fair notice. So it hurts the judge in any case and it becomes a part of the court record which never goes away.
[01:50:45.720 --> 01:51:01.720]  Okay, so when I do this motion to recuse and I do all these criminal allegations in it, then do I file it into the court record?
[01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:02.720]  Yes.
[01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:06.720]  And into the evidence file or no?
[01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:12.720]  No, no. All you need to do is file it. Oh wait, in Minnesota do you have two different files?
[01:51:12.720 --> 01:51:16.720]  I don't know. Somebody told me you have two files everywhere but they don't want me to know.
[01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:20.720]  No, it's not true. That's not true. In Texas we have one file.
[01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:29.720]  I would put everything in the motion itself. That way it files directly in the court.
[01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:39.720]  And if you want to make up a bunch of criminal complaints, look at criminal complaints in the criminal court records
[01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:48.720]  and see how they're put together and structure yours the same way with allegations against the judge, just don't have them signed.
[01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:55.720]  And you can attach them as exhibits. Fair warning, bubba.
[01:51:55.720 --> 01:52:07.720]  And you might look at the federal form for criminal complaints and make some up on federal forms for the constitutional violations, violation of due process.
[01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:24.720]  Okay, hold on. Also do federal violations on federal forms.
[01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:37.720]  Okay, in the federal courts, a federal criminal complaint asks you to write the complaint in the language of the statute.
[01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:44.720]  If the statute says it's a crime to exceed the speed limit, the posted speed limit on the highway,
[01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:55.720]  you would state that I have reason to believe and do believe that defendant exceeded the posted speed limit.
[01:52:55.720 --> 01:53:04.720]  You use the same language of the law to state the allegation. So it's real succinct, the complaint itself is.
[01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:15.720]  You don't tell all the details, you just tell what he did. You can put that and you put in there, I have reason to believe and do believe based on the following
[01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:35.720]  and a very brief synopsis of the elements. And based on the above, I charged that so-and-so exceeded the posted speed limit in violation of the code.
[01:53:35.720 --> 01:53:41.720]  You put it kind of in the language of the law. If you look at a couple of complaints, it will become real clear how they're doing it.
[01:53:41.720 --> 01:53:53.720]  Let me ask you something. Just coming from a layman's point of view, what are the grounds or cause of action or standing, all of the above,
[01:53:53.720 --> 01:54:01.720]  or however you want to word it, for Gail to be able to bring this into the federal venue?
[01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:13.720]  A due process violation. Why does that make it appropriate grounds to bring it into the federal venue?
[01:54:13.720 --> 01:54:19.720]  Because it's in federal constitution that you have a right to the due process of law.
[01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:34.720]  If the judge violates a law and denies you in a right, like Fifth Amendment or First Amendment, right to bear arms, that gets you...
[01:54:34.720 --> 01:54:47.720]  Here's how it works. In order to adjudicate the case, to get the case on and heard, a lot of proceeds complain about getting a response saying
[01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:59.720]  the petitioner makes no claim for which relief can be had. It's not about what you can prove up. It's about the accusation that you make.
[01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:11.720]  In order to get him into the federal court, you have to accuse him of an act that you claim is a violation of a federal constitutional right.
[01:55:11.720 --> 01:55:17.720]  Right to bear arms is a federal constitutional right. It doesn't matter if you can prove that up or not.
[01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:24.720]  You make that allegation, the allegation itself is what they look at.
[01:55:24.720 --> 01:55:30.720]  The allegation rises to the level of a constitutional violation and that brings him to court.
[01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:38.720]  So you make these as if you were actually going to file them, which you probably are, eventually.
[01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:41.720]  Is she going to do this pro se, Randy?
[01:55:41.720 --> 01:55:51.720]  Give it to her attorney. And if your attorney refuses to file them, then you count every due process violation you have in there
[01:55:51.720 --> 01:55:58.720]  and make up a bar grievance for each one and give those to your attorney.
[01:55:58.720 --> 01:55:59.720]  Hardcore.
[01:55:59.720 --> 01:56:02.720]  Here you go, Bubba. You want to do your job or not?
[01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:04.720]  Hardcore.
[01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:08.720]  It's getting pretty hardcore, but if your attorney's screwing you anyway, what do you got to lose?
[01:56:08.720 --> 01:56:14.720]  Well, you know, it's like we got to play hardball here. We have to, okay? They're not giving us any choice.
[01:56:14.720 --> 01:56:21.720]  Right. And I'm not saying file them. I'm saying wave them under his nose.
[01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:27.720]  This is what I'll do to you. If you want to screw me, I'll show you how it's done.
[01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:30.720]  I'll end your career for you.
[01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:33.720]  Give him reason to do the right thing.
[01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:36.720]  Yeah, they want to play hardball. We can play hardball, too.
[01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:43.720]  Okay, let me ask you this. I have been getting a runaround by this judge and my husband.
[01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:49.720]  He's hiding the money from our company. I mean, he's got me on a stranglehold financially,
[01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:53.720]  and the man's living in a multimillion dollar mansion, throwing money everywhere.
[01:56:53.720 --> 01:56:57.720]  I need to be able to get into our records. The judge is not helping me.
[01:56:57.720 --> 01:57:03.720]  The judge is trying to say that our business valuation needs to be as of December of 2006,
[01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:08.720]  because that's when my husband had the first pretrial date scheduled.
[01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:11.720]  I tried to explain to him that I don't...
[01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:17.720]  Oh, wait, wait, wait. This is too statutorily specific.
[01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:19.720]  Okay.
[01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:23.720]  It's way too complex to do on the air here.
[01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:30.720]  It depends on the kinds of motions you file demanding the access that you want
[01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:37.720]  and what the rules in Minnesota say about what rights to access you have
[01:57:37.720 --> 01:57:40.720]  and to the kinds of responses I got.
[01:57:40.720 --> 01:57:44.720]  It's not something I could effectively do on this show,
[01:57:44.720 --> 01:57:50.720]  and because your situation is way too serious, I'll be frank.
[01:57:50.720 --> 01:57:54.720]  Every time you call, terrifies me.
[01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:56.720]  Why do you think it does to me?
[01:57:56.720 --> 01:58:01.720]  Yeah, I know. This is so serious, and this is your whole life.
[01:58:01.720 --> 01:58:05.720]  And, you know, I know when I'm talking to you, because it is so serious,
[01:58:05.720 --> 01:58:09.720]  I'm in incredibly deep water here.
[01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:13.720]  I'd hate to say anything that causes you more difficulty than you have,
[01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:17.720]  and I certainly don't want to step off into a place
[01:58:17.720 --> 01:58:21.720]  where I'm not qualified to give you a good answer.
[01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:24.720]  That's okay. I respect that. I understand that.
[01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:30.720]  All right, listen, we're at the top of the hour. We're going to break now.
[01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:34.720]  All right, Gail, Rand, did you want Gail to hold on?
[01:58:34.720 --> 01:58:39.720]  Do we have more to adjudicate? Gail, you need to send me an email.
[01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:40.720]  Okay.
[01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:42.720]  I need to be able to look at this offline.
[01:58:42.720 --> 01:58:47.720]  I need to get some better information and maybe some references.
[01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:54.720]  Okay. I will send you an email, and I'll do it tomorrow.
[01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:56.720]  Okay. Thank you. Wonderful.
[01:58:56.720 --> 01:58:58.720]  All right. Thanks, Gail.
[01:58:58.720 --> 01:59:00.720]  Thank you for calling in. Thank you.
[01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:01.720]  I appreciate it.
[01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:03.720]  All right. We're praying for you. Thank you for being so diligent.
[01:59:03.720 --> 01:59:06.720]  All right. We're going to move on to more callers, and we get back on the other side.
[01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:08.720]  We've got two more hours.
[01:59:08.720 --> 01:59:12.720]  Okay.
[01:59:12.720 --> 01:59:15.720]  Rule of Law.
[01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.720]  Rule of Law Radio, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:20.720]  I want to give my love
[01:59:30.720 --> 01:59:35.720]  I'd rather give my love to a poor guy that has a love that's true
[01:59:36.720 --> 01:59:40.720]  Than to be fooled around and get hurt by you
[01:59:41.720 --> 01:59:45.720]  Cause when I give my love, I want love in return
[01:59:45.720 --> 01:59:50.720]  Now I know this is a lesson, Mr. Vista, you haven't learned
[01:59:50.720 --> 02:00:15.720]  Mr. Vista, tell me, who do you think you are?